Pre-season game three

[Chargeroo]

I read that Marty has decided to give quite a bit of playing time to Rivers tonight. -
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20040827-9999-1s27chargers.html

I'm a little disappointed in that decision because I wanted to see the first team against the Seattle first team for the entire first half tonight. I think Brees and the receivers need all the game experience together they can get. On the other hand, I am anxious to see Rivers play.

[joelbolt]

I am trying to get excited about a preseason game. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif I know as soon as I get to the game I will be. I want to see if we can get some pressure on Matt Hasselbeck, unlike the Colts game Manning was not in long enough for me to see what we can do against good QB’s.

[Threadkiller]

Gotta get excited about the debut of Philip Rivers!!!

http://www.savingadvice.com/forums/images/smilies/grins-misc/smilie_tanz.gif

[Shamrock]

Does KFMB black out the internet broadcast?

Go Bolts!

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[Chargeroo]

Rat cheer - http://www.760kfmb.com/

[Chargeroo]

I can't believe they aren't on the tube up here so close to Seattle!

[Shamrock]

I thought all the SeaSquacks games were broadcast in Portland?

They can kick a 53 yarder, but we can't even try a 49-50 yarder?

The defense can't stop them?

Lassiter .... pass interference .... Why is he still on this team?

From what the other guys said, Brees INT was pretty bad.

[Chargeroo]

This sounds pretty bad so far. They are having their way with the D. The offense isn't getting it done - come on special teams!

[Shamrock]

Xnet is on the UT gameday thread, but I don't see any others from here over there.

The announcers said they only expected about 30,000 butts in the seats tonight. That's pretty bad.

[Chargeroo]

The guys on the radio said Brees never should have thrown the ball.

[Shamrock]

"The defense has been anything but good today."

"The offense has been less than good."


--------------------------------------------- Charger announcer

[Chargeroo]

The s hawks are taking it to us, baaaaaaaaaad.

[Chargeroo]

I hate it when it keeps cutting out like this!

[Shamrock]

Short passes, a lot of yards after catch .....

[Chargeroo]

This sounds just like last years defense - no pressure = completed passes. Are we looking at another 4 - 12?

[Shamrock]

Mine keeps buffering alot as well, but right now, I think they're just at commercial.

It doesn't sound like we're getting any pressure on Hasselback.

[Shamrock]

I can see the spot through the radio.

He's short ....... i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Chargeroo]

Nice stop on 4th down.

[Chargeroo]

Announcers keep making excuses - playing straight up - no blitz etcera - blah, blah, blah. Sounds like Zeke is playing well. Maybe this 3/4 defense fits him good?

[Chargeroo]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
I can see the spot through the radio.

He's short ....... i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif
You have a better radio than me! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo
Are we looking at another 4 - 12?

Are we going to be that good?

If they do go 4-12, will they finally fire Marty?


HIRE JEFF TEDFORD !!!!!

[xnet]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
"The defense has been anything but good today."

I don't even know why the seahawks are trying the run the ball. All they got to do is pass to our flats and underneath. I think our run defense has been better than average tonight, but we are so open in the short passing game, it isn't funny.


"The offense has been less than good."


--------------------------------------------- Charger announcer

Where is Brees tonight? I thought he'd be showing up to prove his worth... I was wrong. I don't know what was worse about the interception, the fact that there was no zip on the ball Brees threw or the fact that it would have hit Dyson in the back of the head. i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif

Let's see what PR can do.

[xnet]

Wow... The offense has completely changed now that Rivers is in... I truly didn't expect that kind of impact by him.

[Chargeroo]

Hi Mr. X

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo

Originally posted by: Shamrock
I can see the spot through the radio.

He's short ....... i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif
You have a better radio than me! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif
I wired it into my hearing aid ......

[xnet]

Hey 'Roo, thanks for the PM Shamrock... There's some sanity here! i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[Chargeroo]

Gees, sounds good - toss to Dyson for a first down. Nice start for the young guy. Go Osgood!

[Chargeroo]

Did LT just have two carries? - I think so. Guess he's ready to go! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Shamrock]

And Dyson has finally done something.

With Rivers moving the team, the UT board is going to go crazy before halftime even gets here......

Roo,
I pm'd Xnet, forrest and foobs .....

[xnet]

The games on FSN2 you guys getting that?

[Shamrock]

TD? No damn ..... Norman couldn't hang on ....

I can't even see it, but I know if Brees would have thrown it, everyone would say it was a bad pass.

This damn link for the radio keeps rebuffering .... crap.

[Chargeroo]

I don't get FSN2 here (I don't think?) What's the ch. number?

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
The games on FSN2 you guys getting that?

Roo might, but I doubt it. I'm in Des Moine, IA right now.

Roo,
Don't you get Fox Sports Northwest or something????? I just can't believe the SeaHags aren't on there.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo
I don't get FSN2 here (I don't think?) What's the ch. number?It seems like those are in the 300's somewhere. Not sure what yours would be.

[xnet]

Rivers Sacked! Stayed in the pocket, didn't see what was downfield though

[Chargeroo]

Originally posted by: Shamrock

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
The games on FSN2 you guys getting that?

Roo might, but I doubt it. I'm in Des Moine, IA right now.

Roo,
Don't you get Fox Sports Northwest or something????? I just can't believe the SeaHags aren't on there.They have a Mariners game on FSNW.

[xnet]

Maybe, Schotty called the trick play last week because our line can't block. :/

[Chargeroo]

Holly smokes - Murphy's law!!! 17 - 0

Sounds like we have it all set up for a great come from behind win! i/expressions/SDG_Bolt.gif

[xnet]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
The announcers said they only expected about 30,000 butts in the seats tonight. That's pretty bad.

My Dad is at the game with my step-mom, brother and his family. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif At least some of us are representing! i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
Maybe, Schotty called the trick play last week because our line can't block. :/

Apparently, the special teams line can't block either .......

Bye, Bye, Homewrecker.

Can we fire Steve Crosby along with Marty?

[xnet]

One thing I notice about Zeke Moreno... He's always where the play is, only after it's been made... We need to get some pressure on their QB.

Our LBs still can't cover squat. They're probably our greatest deficit on Defense.

[xnet]

We got a sack! We got a sack! i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
Our LBs still can't cover squat. They're probably our greatest deficit on Defense.

Marty said they're our best unit .....

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[xnet]

Well, the defense is making something of a stand at least. 14 of those points were off of turnovers. Who really wants to listen to spanos on the olympics?

[Chargeroo]

Two minute warning, I'll be right back with a commercial. -

Say folks have you tried the all new Winston Bud? It's the only somke of the market that's aged in beer>

[Shamrock]

Xnet,

Which OL allowed the sack?

[Chargeroo]

Ouch - another INT.

[xnet]

Rivers intercepted. Looks like the reciever fell down... Who was it? Dyson. Who was involved in the other interception? Dyson. Correlation?

[Chargeroo]

I wonder how Olivea is doing at RT?

[Chargeroo]

They should have had Dyson wear shoes. It's hard to not slip on that grass when you're barefoot.

[Shamrock]

I have a feeling Xnet's Dad and Electric Chair aren't enjoying themselves right now........

[Shamrock]

Too bad Guffy's not here to give us Brees and Rivers halftime QB rating stats .......

i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif

Another pick ..... and the UT board guys were laughing at shEli's stats ......

Can we assume that Brees is going to start in Houston?

Which jersey should I wear to the game? LT or Brees?

[Chargeroo]

Ouch - an easy TD. 23 - zip. What agreat second half comeback this is going to be! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Boy, they are all over Kevin Dyson tonight.

[xnet]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
Xnet,

Which OL allowed the sack?


The announcers were too busy talking to Spanos and didn't replay it. Pressure pretty much came from both sides and then up the middle.

[Chargeroo]

Better put in LT, his QBR is perfect.

[xnet]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
Another pick ..... and the UT board guys were laughing at shEli's stats ......


If Dyson hadn't fell, probably would have been a complete pass. Harder to tell with Brees' interception... First the ball was slow and second Dyson wasn't even looking for it. Though I'd put most of the blame on Brees.

[xnet]

Two sacks... Have we tied our total from last season? If our Offense could just keep the defense off the field we might win a game or two... i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Shamrock]

My radio connection isn't working well out all. I only have a low signal on the WIFI ...... ugh ...

Joelbolt is online I see.

[xnet]

Rivers was throwing into double coverage quite a bit. Looks like he's rushing himself as well.

[Shamrock]

Even though I can't see this, and the fricking radio is on and off, the general trend sounds like last year.

Worst of all, it doesn't seem like the team is prepared to play. Just like last year .......

Coaching!

[Chargeroo]

They seemed so much more prepared last week. Is this a replay of last years Seattle game? They killed us in the first pre-season game last year.

Did I hear EC booing? I wonder what all those Carolina and Alabama fans are thinking right now?

[Shamrock]

Does Hasselback have 300 yards yet?

30 to Zip at half ........ ????

[xnet]

Billy Ray has a nasty comb-over. i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif

[Shamrock]

Davis and Cooper and Phillips !!!!

Scratch that 30 to Zip comment ....

[xnet]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo
They seemed so much more prepared last week. Is this a replay of last years Seattle game? They killed us in the first pre-season game last year.

Did I hear EC booing? I wonder what all those Carolina and Alabama fans are thinking right now?

I think that Arizona was just that bad. I think we're showing moments of stellar play, unfortunately those are far outnumbered by mediocracy.

Dyson is looking a lot like a Richocet clone right now...

[foober]

Its like. if it can go wrong it will go wrong. Its time for the guys to succk it up and concentrate and make things work right.

Personally I really wonder if our offense is pretty limited on options to plays. I'd really like to see the chargers air it out more. At least try it.

[xnet]

My brother in seattle is hating life right now. Ever since he moved up there we've never beat the seahags.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: foober
I'd really like to see the chargers air it out more. At least try it.
The bird ain't gonna fly with this coach. That's why I want Tedford.

If you have a "shiny new QB" you need someone who knows how to use him.

You don't take your Ferrari to a lawnmower shop to have Bubba tune up the engine. That's what we have with Marty and Rivers.

[foober]

Doesn't it seem like a team would have a good chance of completing passes now especially with the new rules on the d-backs. And yet the chargers hardly throw down field.

Is it marty and the ball control he advocates.

[xnet]

Igor is still in. I'd like to see Ball. Where is he?

[foober]

hey, i've got 6 posts now. Wow. I'm almost a virgin. Don't tell my wife.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: foober
Is it marty and the ball control he advocates.

See above ...

[Shamrock]

Half

Brees 2-5 33 yards 1 INT
Rivers 4-11 74 yards 2 INT

Hasselback ?-? 167 yards 1 TD

[foober]

sham, yeah I agree, we need a qb coach. Bad. now i've got 7 posts. Man, time is just flying by.

sheet. lebber is hurt. sheet.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: foober
I'm almost a virgin. Don't tell my wife.
She knows. They always know.

[xnet]

I think I need to drink twice as much beer this quarter... Rivers needs to settle down... He's definitely rushing himself, which is a definite sign of his lack of training camp.

[Shamrock]

Kiel !!!!!

Touchdown!!!!

[foober]

i've always loved kiel.

Who was the player that got the pressure on hassebeck.

[xnet]

Interception! It almost looked like Brees was throwing that ball instead of Hassleback. Behind the receiver enough for the defender (Kiel) to make a play.

[Shamrock]

Xnet,

Who tipped the ball at the line on the Kiel pick?

How bad is Ben Leber hurt?

[xnet]

Missed the replay. If they show it again, I'll check it out. Mrs. Xnet is geeting upset at the laptop... i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif

[Chargeroo]

I juyst found it on the tube - some channel I've never watched before- can't get it on this TV so I'm out of here! = Nice pick and run by Kiel. I think maybe Cesaire tipped it???

[xnet]

Suddenly we're getting better pressure. Looked like that last ball was tipped. Holding on Godfrey...

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
Mrs. Xnet is geeting upset at the laptop... i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif

Tell her this is exciting.

You're watching foober lose his virginity ..... i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[xnet]

Nice to see Kiel go for the strip on that tackle.

[ftwbolt]

Fire MORTY FIRE MORTY

[Shamrock]

I challenged Guffy Bird to find out the halftime QB ratings, and here they are:


Originally posted by Guffawing_Crow
Brees: 23.3

Rivers: 20.8

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: ftwbolt
Fire MORTY FIRE MORTY

I knew you'd show up. Your avatar isn't working. They lost all the avatars a week ago or so. You have to upload it again.

[joelbolt]

Originally posted by: ShamrockJoelbolt is online I see.
Yes, I’m online. In the press box crying my eyes out.

[foober]

Have we had the ball yet this 3rd quarter. Or is it just polite of us to let the seahacks have the ball the whole quarter.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: joelbolt

Originally posted by: ShamrockJoelbolt is online I see.
Yes, I’m online. In the press box crying my eyes out.


I bet. Look down in the Plaza, about the 45, Chargers side. Wave to Electric Chair ...... He's crying too.

[ftwbolt]

Originally posted by: joelbolt

Originally posted by: ShamrockJoelbolt is online I see.
Yes, I’m online. In the press box crying my eyes out.

Are you the only one , or are there others crying

[foober]

I bet if we ever get the ball back they'll be nice and just give the ball back to the hacks.

[xnet]

Great coverage by florence! I was holding my breath on that one!

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: foober
I bet if we ever get the ball back they'll be nice and just give the ball back to the hacks.

foobs,

When you're at home, it's good manners to let the visitors have the ball the whole third quarter. I saw that somewhere .....

[foober]

now watch flutie take over and drive for a t.d.. I guess we'll have to cut Rivers.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: foober
I guess we'll have to cut Rivers.
I'd bet money that some newbie on the UT board starts a "Rivers is a bust" thread tonight ....

[ftwbolt]

Originally posted by: Shamrock

Originally posted by: foober
I bet if we ever get the ball back they'll be nice and just give the ball back to the hacks.

foobs,

When you're at home, it's good manners to let the visitors have the ball the whole third quarter. I saw that somewhere .....

At least they are being a good host for this party.

i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[ftwbolt]

Who started at OLT tonight ? And has Keading reached the endzone on a kickoff yet ?

[foober]

I've noticed the north carolinans have been very subdued. I guess they're not used to martys expertise of running a juggernaut offense.

[xnet]

DAVE BALL should be a starter! Go Doug!

[xnet]

Complete to Grant Mattos...

This guy better not get cut this year...

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: foober
I've noticed the north carolinans have been very subdued. I guess they're not used to martys expertise of running a juggernaut offense.

Yeah. Next week Marty will tone it down some .....

Cowtown:

I think the starting group was supposed to be:

Oben - Fonoti - Hardwick - Goff - Olivea

[foober]

flutie, doing well. oh,oh. I hear flutie fans footsteps coming from someplace.

[xnet]

Flutie is officially our starter i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif (or, this will be the topic on the other board all week i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif)

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
DAVE BALL should be a starter!
In the Whatever.com bowl, Dave Ball got dominated by Fresno State Sophomore Dartangon Shack. AND, Shack was playing out of position, having to sub at left tackle (natural position is guard) for another injured Bulldog.

Now, Ball is playing like the NCAA sack leader.

All I can say is that the Bolts better draft Shack if he turns pro this next year.

[foober]

flutopia lives on.

[joelbolt]

old man Flutie... shows the boys how to score. I still cant get over the two drops in the endzone by Norman.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: foober
flutopia lives on.

It'll never die.

When Sandolf comes over, I'm going to introduce him to my fellows Texans as a "Flutopian", and tell them it's a European City State, near the Baltic .....

[ftwbolt]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
Flutie is officially our starter i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif (or, this will be the topic on the other board all week i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif)

Yea that would be great, we will have to put up goofy crows nonesense


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[xnet]

Did House hit his head? Looks like his right hand/arm is numb the way he's squeezing his fist.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: ftwbolt

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
Flutie is officially our starter i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif (or, this will be the topic on the other board all week i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif)

Yea that would be great, we will have to put up goofy crows nonesense


i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif
He's busy on the Gameday UT thread crowing ......

Did you hear the announcers say that "Brock Edwards will make this team." ???? Who the hell is he? A TE?

Norman and Peele better watch their backs. Is Krause playing today?

[foober]

shamrock, me and the wife are hoping to retire there. So ask sandolf wheres the best place to have a second home in flutopia.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: foober
shamrock, me and the wife are hoping to retire there. So ask sandolf wheres the best place to have a second home in flutopia.How tall are you? Are the ceilings and doorways are only 5'7' inches high. You might have to stoop.

[xnet]

Originally posted by: foober
shamrock, me and the wife are hoping to retire there. So ask sandolf wheres the best place to have a second home in flutopia.

I hear the sun is always shining there and the trees are made of lollypops and licorice. You can also find a tube of bengay under every rock.

[foober]

shamrock, good point. I'm 6 foot and the wife is 6'9".

[xnet]

Dave Ball is having a phenomenal game. I'll have to find my original posts about this guy... He never stops! Gives 150%.

[ftwbolt]

Originally posted by: Shamrock

Originally posted by: ftwbolt

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
Flutie is officially our starter i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif (or, this will be the topic on the other board all week i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif)

Yea that would be great, we will have to put up goofy crows nonesense


i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif
He's busy on the Gameday UT thread crowing ......

Did you hear the announcers say that "Brock Edwards will make this team." ???? Who the hell is he? A TE?

Norman and Peele better watch their backs. Is Krause playing today?

Brock was a longhorn, I never heard of him till the Bolts picked him up

[xnet]

Wow! Did that just happen?! Welker just ran like 2 football fields!

[foober]

mr. welker. hmmm. I like that kid.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO

Originally posted by: foober
shamrock, me and the wife are hoping to retire there. So ask sandolf wheres the best place to have a second home in flutopia.

I hear the sun is always shining there and the trees are made of lollypops and licorice. You can also find a tube of bengay under every rock.

And .....

Flutie Flakes in every cereal bowl .....

Flutie to Phelan in every VCR .....

Flutopia: Where all the Cups are Grey

[joelbolt]

Wes Welker deserves a roster spot for that alone.

[foober]

xnet, did you see it on the t.v.. It must have been something. They've got to hang onto welker.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
Wow! Did that just happen?! Welker just ran like 2 football fields!

The radio feed is like two minutes behind the live action. What happened?

[ftwbolt]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
Wow! Did that just happen?! Welker just ran like 2 football fields!

If Welker keeps it up, Dwight may be on the cut list.

[xnet]

Well, the defense is back to letting our underbellies open up.

[xnet]

Welker ran one back 81 yards for a touchdown. He zigged and zagged across the field twice outrunning everybody!

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: joelbolt
Wes Welker deserves a roster spot for that alone.

Okay.

Flutopia is going to rejoice.

The Wolfpack Nation is in therapy trying to make sense of this.

The Texas Techies are drunk and partying into the night. (What else is there to do in Lubbock, TX?)

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They just played the Welker TD on the radio.

[ftwbolt]

The Texas Techies are drunk and partying into the night. (What else is there to do in Lubbock, TX?)

Watch Bob Knight toss a saladi/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[xnet]

So has anyone else noticed that a quick reply sends you to page 1?

[Shamrock]

I just did it, and will see where it sends me ..... If that's the case, they need to change it. I also wish this would send you to the last post, instead of to the top of the page where you hit reply.

[xnet]

I'd really like to see Dave Ball start next week... I think he's got more range than Igor and has a greater push off the line. Also, he has many intangibles... for instance on one of the last drives for the hags, he was pushed out of the play but still had the focus to get a hand on the QBs pads... This guy makes plays happen.

[xnet]

Ball stripped from Flutie... Where is Guff Crow now? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif No one picked up the Line Backer on the playaction/roll out to the right.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
I'd really like to see Dave Ball start next week...

I really have got to get home to see these tapes. Honest, the game I saw him in, I specifically rewatched it to view some draftable players (him and the UCLA safety - Ware???). Anyway, neither was impressive, and Ball got pushed around by that Fresno State kid. I wonder if Ball lost draft position specifically on that game.

[xnet]

Originally posted by: Shamrock

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
I'd really like to see Dave Ball start next week...

I really have got to get home to see these tapes. Honest, the game I saw him in, I specifically rewatched it to view some draftable players (him and the UCLA safety - Ware???). Anyway, neither was impressive, and Ball got pushed around by that Fresno State kid. I wonder if Ball lost draft position specifically on that game.

I missed the game you're talking about, though I did catch him most of the season last year because Mrs. Xnet is a huge Bruin fan. He's got wheels and he never gives up on a play. Igor hasn't impressed me and I'm curious to see how Ball does against the first stringers because you'll see in this game, he's a playmaker.

[Shamrock]

Even though the kids on defense have done well, remember, our first team D got pushed around by their first team offense.

[Shamrock]

Xnet

Did you see this, that NW Bolt fan mentions:


Originally posted by NW Bolt Fan
Schotts and Phillips have been in "discussions" a few times tonight. Phillips immediately calls for the 2 pt conversion, when initially kicking team was sent in... During this defensive series, Marty kept coming over to Phillips and talking, Phillips appeared to be ignonring him, and was really focused on talking to players. Didn't look like mutual respect.

[Chargeroo]

I'm back - did ya miss me?

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo
I'm back - did ya miss me?

No.

I almost caught you in posts .... Go away!
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[Chargeroo]

Did anyone mention that on the run back by Welker the blocking didn't amount to much? He pretty much did it on his own. Guffy will say that Flutie told him how to do it.

On Flutie's first pass to Mattos, the pass was way high and Mattos went up in the air like Alworth or JJ and snatched that pass - stretched out as high as he could get and he was also being hit as he caught it. - Great catch - that kid has hands!

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo
On Flutie's first pass to Mattos, the pass was way high and Mattos went up in the air like Alworth or JJ and snatched that pass - stretched out as high as he could get and he was also being hit as he caught it. - Great catch - that kid has hands!

Are we going to keep guys like Caldwell and Dwight that consistently drop balls? Or are we going to keep the ones that move the chains?

[xnet]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
Xnet

Did you see this, that NW Bolt fan mentions:


Originally posted by NW Bolt Fan
Schotts and Phillips have been in "discussions" a few times tonight. Phillips immediately calls for the 2 pt conversion, when initially kicking team was sent in... During this defensive series, Marty kept coming over to Phillips and talking, Phillips appeared to be ignonring him, and was really focused on talking to players. Didn't look like mutual respect.

Sorry Sham, I missed it (the future father-in-law came by and it got kind of chaotic). I don't know how much creadence I'd put into it though. I didn't especially feel that Marty was being ignored on the sideline. I think a lot of guys want there to be a controversy to take focus away from the gameplay in general. For all we know Phillips was listening while getting his point across to the players. Its really out of context. Perhaps 'Roo caught it. After all, he blew us all off just to watch the game. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[xnet]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo
On Flutie's first pass to Mattos, the pass was way high and Mattos went up in the air like Alworth

If you ask me Mattos looks like an Alworth clone. I told him he looked like Alworth at the Fan Fest and the players around him started jokingly calling him Lance Mattos. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif Maybe he'll turn out to be the second coming... Sure would be nice to keep some of these guys with hands though...

[Chargeroo]

The rookie TE, Edwards can block! I'm saying he hurts people when he blocks. He also managed to be wide open on the TD catch. I couldn't tell if he did with a great move or if it was blown coverage. The TV feed was from Seattle and they kept cutting to the sidelines to interview the S hawk players and they'd shrink the game down to a small so I really could pick up the numbers on the linemen very good. For instance, I saw a blown block at left Guard but don't know who was playing LG at the time.

On defense, you have got to love the play of Bell at DE, Cooper and Phillips at LB. nd the Corner we got from Miami - Fletcher - he's a good tackler and his coverage was pretty solid in this game. I had thought he was a draft choice that didn't make it and Miami threw him in to get rid of the salary. I'm not so sure now - he just may be pretty decent.

[Shamrock]

Xnet,

I agree. Guys make mountains out of molehills for every thing they do or don't see.

I'm sure to irritate Flutopia and the Marty lovers with this one .......

http://forum.uniontrib.com/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33797

[Chargeroo]

Mattos can't run as fast as Lance, if he could there would be no question about who our number one was. I did see the incident on the sidelines with Wade and Marty. I didn't think it amounted to anything - Wade was talking to players while Marty was trying to talk to him. I don't think either were annoyed. However, the Seattle announcer thought Wade was ignoring Marty. Maybe he's right, maybe I'm right.

[Chargeroo]

Originally posted by: Shamrock


Are we going to keep guys like Caldwell and Dwight that consistently drop balls? Or are we going to keep the ones that move the chains? If I was the coach I'd send Caldwell and Timmy packing and keep the guys that are catching the ball. The problem though is - speed. The guys with the best hands are also somewhat slow and sometimes you do want to be able to fire a deep pass to a speedy receiver. What about Dyson? Has he done anything to make you want to keep him?

They have to keep Welker - he's a play maker. Here's a mystery for you - Welker has a slow forty time, so how come he outran everone on the field on that punt returen? - Guess he has a fast 81 yard time! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Shamrock]

I haven't seen Dyson yet. I can only go by what you and Cowtown have told me, but it doesn't seem like he's done much. I don't think his history translates into a legitimate #1.

Speed. That's why I'm against drafting Mike Williams above #15 in next year's first round. He won't stretch the field. He'll be great around the goal line, but he won't make the defense alter its scheme. We need speed to not only stretch the field, but to get the defense away from 8 in the box.

Welker is one of those guys that plays faster than his 40 I guess.

BTW: Since I had to fix the AC last night, I had to get a motel room. I watched ESPN late last night and this morning, and they ran Mike Williams info ad nauseum. Lots of highlights. I never once saw him pull away from anyone. He is good at using his height and size to shield small DB's in close quarters. He's a nice Red zone WR, but not a legit #1.

[xnet]

I don't think we need Caldwell or Dryson. Haven't really seen whether Dwight has his hands back or not this season, but I tend to think we should go with players we know can hang on to the ball over those with a little more flash. Osgood and Mattos are solid. I'd really like to see what Floyd can do, but it appears he's probably going to be injury prone as well. Why can't these guys get some meat on their bones?

[xnet]

Okay guys, I gotta turn in for the night... Catch you all on the flip side.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: XnetZERO
I Osgood and Mattos are solid. I'd really like to see what Floyd can do...

Why not go with Parker, Osgood, Mattos, Floyd, and Welker?

TE's: Gates, Peele, Edwards, (what about Krause? - great speed for a TE - keep him instead of Peele?)

Cooper has to be in the starting lineup.

Polk is toast. Moreno only makes plays when it's a straight dive play, and he has to take no more than two steps forward to fill the hole. ftwbolt was ranting about Moreno awful play (bad angles and slow) vs. the Cards. Same story - different season .....

[Chargeroo]

I'm dissapointed that I couldn't learn more about the o-line play. I wish I had seen the first half. I really wanted to see how the starting Tackles did in this game and I never saw them play. They gave Turner quite a bit of PT in the second half. I like Chatman and Chapman better that Turner.

Guess I bettewr shut it down for the night too. The wife is yawning and so am I.

[Threadkiller]

I only saw the third quarter. Seahawks had the ball the entire time. I've never seen anything like it. I kept saying "Just let them ******* score so Rivers can get some PT!".

I'm going to watch the tape tomorrow, but the first half sounded pretty ugly on the radio.

[xnet]

Originally posted by: Threadkiller
but the first half sounded pretty ugly on the radio.

More than ugly... embarrasing would be the proper word. The defense did better than the score suggests, but once again our receivers and qbs let us down.

Let me know what you think, but I think Rivers, while looking excellent in his first drive, looked like he was trying to force the ball and hurried his throws. He's not ready to be our starter and quite frankly, Brees looked flat under the competitive preassure. Dryson is a flop. We should get rid of him along with Caldwell (Dryson and Caldwell may be the same player-- conspiracy?) We definitely need to find a stud #1 receiver. Parker is fast and can catch, but not if he's on the sideline injured. Floyd who looked great in TC hasn't played because he's injured and Tim Dwight will most likely get injured too (if History is any judge). So where does that lead us? The line was good enough to allow a passing game. They weren't great, but I don't feel like our skills guys had any major excuse in them.

Defensively, we never had enough pressure on Hassleback in the first half. Igor doesn't go any further than the line. Where is Dave Ball? He, Cooper and Phillips should be on the starting squad next week. Hopefully we get to see Edwards play some to. I think the DBs did fine. I'm not as worried about our secondary as some others, because if we can get some pressure on the opposing QB, they will do just fine. Linebackers stick out like a sore thumb when it comes to pass defense. We are going to get eaten alive in the flats and there won't be a thing we can do about it.

This sucks. We completely dominate a team that we should dominate last week, and this week we get our jockstraps handed to us. Where exactly does that put us? Somewhere in the Middle? Hardly.

Thursday can't come soon enough.

[Shamrock]

I'm getting to the point that I don't want to see any underachieving or undertalented veterans in a Bolts uniform. This team isn't going anywhere this year, so why carry guys like Dwight, Caldwell, Dyson, Flutie, Lassiter, etc? Dump them and let the kids play. At least we'll find out if they can.

Gawd ..... I hate this coaching staff.

[joelbolt]

Last night was what could be called "growing pains" that young teams must go through. The high of beating up the Cardinals and then the low of getting it done to you. The difference I seen with the Cards is they gave up, I didn’t see that in the Bolts last night. Are we going to surprise a few people this year? I hope so. Will we play better ball this year then last season? I still think so. I think we came out with no any major injuries and thats reall good in my viewpoint. Live to fight another day as they say.

[RC]

I watched the game that Shamrock is mentioning where Dave Ball didn't play well against Fresno State. One thing I'd like to bring up was that SF was a quagmire and that field was about as bad as I've seen any college game played in. It's tough to look good when your game is built off of footwork and redirection AND you have NO FOOTING.

[Chargeroo]

Good point RC ........ and I like your cola too! I don't know about Ball in that Fresno game but along with Phillips, he's looking pretty darn good as a Charger. Ball is actually looking better than our second round pick - Igor, who I loved at OU. (I'm a Ducks fan). I still think Igor will be a very good pro as time goes by. He never quits and he learns pretty fast. By next year I think we'll have a good pass rush by next year.

[Shamrock]

I don't have a copy of that Bulldog - Bruin game anymore (dumbarse me recorded the draft over it) but some players seemed to handle the mud. Fresno State's OL and RB's played well, but UCLA's DL did not.

The only time D. Ball was somewhat effective was on inside stunts, where he was passed off to a guard (the Fresno State center also handled him.)

The draft clips on ESPN also showed him being handled by the USC LT pretty well, similar to what Shack did to him.

Roo,

I was listening to the KC vs. Cleveland game on the radio, and the KC radio guys were raving about the job Cleveland's backup center was doing.......

His name? Craig Osika ...... ring a bell?

[RC]

Dave Ball didn't have a bad game against USC. From what I recall, he had a sack, a tfl, and a forced fumble coupled with numerous pressures ... but hey draft clips of Jacob Rogers showed a couple of plays where Rogers got the better of him. OK. The three pro prospects he faced, he had sacks against. The game against the Golden Bears was one of his better one. Calvin Armstrong (WSU, probable 2nd round pick), Jacob Rogers (USC, Cowboys 2nd rounder), and Mark Wilson (Cal, Redskins, 5th rounder)

I'll state it again ... guys that depend on balance and change of direction are going to suffer more than others in the muck. I watched Dave Ball that game and the guy couldn't get proper footing. If you are going to use that game as a justification of his prospect status, I think you are making a mistake.

[Shamrock]

Since I didn't see the UCLA - USC game, I can't comment on how Ball got his sack. The clips showed Rogers manhandling him. Dartangon Shack of Fresno State manhandled Ball the entire game. An "All American" senior should not be manhandled by a sophomore working out of position. Shack tied up Ball in the short space, and controlled him on the outside, even in the few areas of the field that weren't sloppy. You can blame it on the muck all you want, or use "footwork" as an excuse, but he was a non factor. The Fresno State RB has no problem cutting, why shouldn't Ball have been able to?

Should the Chargers not play Ball if it's sprinkling?

I'm so sick of excuses, whether they be for a guys college career, or for homerism. I think I'll listen to people who DIDN'T support keeping Wiley and Boston, over a manipulative poster from the NFL Forum.

[Threadkiller]

Wow. I can see that this forum might be a difficult place to discuss differences of opinion.

Maybe I'll just post in here when I agree with everyone.

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: Threadkiller
Wow. I can see that this forum might be a difficult place to discuss differences of opinion.

Why don't you look at the way he's treated me for a long time on the NFL Forum? Talk about difficult....

He's the direct reason I rarely post there. And when I do, he comes right along behind me to bash my take every time.

As I said over there, I still have not seen any take of quality from him. Maybe not EVER.

[joelbolt]

Originally posted by: Threadkiller
Wow. I can see that this forum might be a difficult place to discuss differences of opinion.

Maybe I'll just post in here when I agree with everyone.

That’s silly. What the problem? Did I missing something?

[IronMountain1960]

Ball is the only lineman to put consistant pressure on the QB, He has 4 sacks, and has caused at least one fumble. To me Igor is looking like a noseguard, he is tough against the run but does not have any moves to get past the guy whos blocking him. Igor needs to at least get his hands up if he cant get to the QB, he is tall enough to knock down passes and disrupt the QB's vision. Ball, Fisk, and Williams would be my starting three D linemen, is its a running down I would replace Ball with Igor, but Ball needs to be in there on passing downs for sure.

[IronMountain1960]

Roo, I agree with you on the rookie TE Edwards, the guy looks a heck of a lot better than Norman, 4 dropped passes, one a sure TD. Norman has to go, along with Dyson.

[Chargeroo]

I don't know how good Edwards is at getting open and catching but I've seen him make some great blocks. He would be the perfect H back for Bobby Ross! I hope they keep him. With a double TE formation of Peele and Edwards I bet LT could run like crazy.

I'm like you on Norman - too many drops! I wonder about Krause? He seems a bit of a project. He's quite fast for a TE though. I bet he ends up on the Practice Squad.

[RC]

I really hadn't paid much attention to Shamrock on the other board until he started personal attacks. I do find his analysis of this situation to be as shallow as his analysis on a lot of things. I think discounting Dave Ball because of a highlight clip on Jacob Rogers and a game where the footing sucked is ridiculous. I've ripped him on shallow analysis before, but if someone throws out opinions ... you expect to have some discussion on them (hence, the concept of "discussion board"). Instead of stating his reasons on why he believes his opinion is legitimate, he throws a temper tantrum.

On a side note, I felt that getting rid of both David Boston AND Marcellus Wiley this year was a mistake because of all the dead cap money. From the very beginning, I think this team will struggle badly as a direct result of all the $23+ M in lost cap space. Some people can praise AJ all they want, but IMO if AJ would have taken the money saved next year and creatively structured contracts ... we'd be in a better position to win. I would have been less critical. I'd also like to say that my position was Wiley needed to take a significant paycut for him to stay on the team (a point he conveniently disregarded) and his relationship with Phillips might have helped that point. I was more critical of the fact that he wasn't approached about it rather than getting rid of him outright. I've been super critical of this organization and the way they approach players for pay cuts. It seems ironic that teams like the Raiders get their veterans to do something other than restructure, while we simply get rid of players.

As far as Boston, I felt the cap hit and the fact that he was are only productive WR made his release a questionable decision. People disagreed, but the fact that AJ didn't amply replace him with the flexibility created in year 2 was shortsighted as hell. Addition by subtraction. I've stated from the very beginning if we would have replaced him, I think we could have overcome the loss of production and the decision could have been more acceptable. Instead, we are going with Kevin Dyson and his band of merry men.

Ignore is a great function that you might want to consider on this board that way readers don't have to be subjected to this stuff.

[utahcharger]

To me this is where our season hinges. We either get good consistent OLine and Dline play or our season will be long and agonizing.

Both should improve, but I am still having trrouble seeing us rush the passer. The first team seattle line kept us completely away from Hasselback.

[Chargeroo]

Originally posted by: utahcharger
To me this is where our season hinges. We either get good consistent OLine and Dline play or our season will be long and agonizing.

Both should improve, but I am still having trouble seeing us rush the passer. The first team seattle line kept us completely away from Hasselback.
Do I ever agree with that. If the lines aren't able to win at the los, we can expect another long season. We do have several young guys in the lines that look promising but you have to wonder how they'll do in their rookie or second year? Of course, the improvement in the line had to start somewhere and it seems to me that AJ realized that and went after young people. Maybe we'll be sacrificing another year but maybe it'll finally lead us to several years of having a winning team again. I think if we had spent more draft picks on linemen over the years, a lot of theses losing years could have been avoided.

Welcome to the board!!

[IronMountain1960]

Originally posted by: RC
I really hadn't paid much attention to Shamrock on the other board until he started personal attacks. I do find his analysis of this situation to be as shallow as his analysis on a lot of things. I think discounting Dave Ball because of a highlight clip on Jacob Rogers and a game where the footing sucked is ridiculous. I've ripped him on shallow analysis before, but if someone throws out opinions ... you expect to have some discussion on them (hence, the concept of "discussion board"). Instead of stating his reasons on why he believes his opinion is legitimate, he throws a temper tantrum.

On a side note, I felt that getting rid of both David Boston AND Marcellus Wiley this year was a mistake because of all the dead cap money. From the very beginning, I think this team will struggle badly as a direct result of all the $23+ M in lost cap space. Some people can praise AJ all they want, but IMO if AJ would have taken the money saved next year and creatively structured contracts ... we'd be in a better position to win. I would have been less critical. I'd also like to say that my position was Wiley needed to take a significant paycut for him to stay on the team (a point he conveniently disregarded) and his relationship with Phillips might have helped that point. I was more critical of the fact that he wasn't approached about it rather than getting rid of him outright. I've been super critical of this organization and the way they approach players for pay cuts. It seems ironic that teams like the Raiders get their veterans to do something other than restructure, while we simply get rid of players.

As far as Boston, I felt the cap hit and the fact that he was are only productive WR made his release a questionable decision. People disagreed, but the fact that AJ didn't amply replace him with the flexibility created in year 2 was shortsighted as hell. Addition by subtraction. I've stated from the very beginning if we would have replaced him, I think we could have overcome the loss of production and the decision could have been more acceptable. Instead, we are going with Kevin Dyson and his band of merry men.

Ignore is a great function that you might want to consider on this board that way readers don't have to be subjected to this stuff.

I agree with you on Ball, but Shamrock has a right to make a statement on his opinion which was based on what he saw, doesn't mean he's right or wrong, freedom of speech, more or less.
I disagree with you on AJ, and keeping Wiley who was a slug and taking up a spot on the roster that a good DE, like Ball or Igor can fill.

Shamrock is one of my favorite posters, and he is on the money 95% of the time, except on Ball.

I disagree with you on Boston, who was a cancer, and was not a team player, and who disrupted team chemistry. Getting rid of both of them is addition by subtraction. Replacing him was not a concern, we would be better with one less WR and one less player on the team, then having that Prima Donna disrupt team meetings and team game plans. AJ still has time to get a WR, team cuts are deep and good players do get the ax, so by the first game we may have a new WR.

I agree with you, Dyson, is not the answer, but nothing ventured, nothing gained, and who knows he might have played up to his old self, he hasn't and he should get cut.

[Threadkiller]

Originally posted by: IronMountain

Shamrock is one of my favorite posters, and he is on the money 95% of the time, except on Ball.

95% is a little high, IMO. And he's also wrong about Mike Williams. http://tinypic.com/3aczm

I'm as anti-Wiley and anti-Boston as anyone. I can't imagine us being a better TEAM with either of those guys still on our roster.

joelbolt: What is your take on David Boston? As someone who's been around the team, how much of a negative influence was he? Is that stuff overblown by us fans?

[mcc2mobile]

My Opinion- The Seattle game showed us how important the Defense has got to stop an opponent's third down efficiency. Those third and long conversions are a slow killer of the time clock. Our offense has to sustain a drive to keep the defense well rested for that 3 and out pulse of attack

[joelbolt]

Originally posted by: Threadkiller
[quote]
Originally posted by: IronMountain
joelbolt: What is your take on David Boston? As someone who's been around the team, how much of a negative influence was he? Is that stuff overblown by us fans?

I actually liked David Boston, very shy guy, every encounter I had with him was always very pleasant. I didn’t see him as a “negative influence” more of a NO influence guy. He didn’t really show any passion for the game. If he could ever get a clear head, no doubt he would be a top 5 receiver.

[FriarTom]

Originally posted by: joelbolt

Originally posted by: Threadkiller
[quote]
Originally posted by: IronMountain
joelbolt: What is your take on David Boston? As someone who's been around the team, how much of a negative influence was he? Is that stuff overblown by us fans?

I actually liked David Boston, very shy guy, every encounter I had with him was always very pleasant. I didn’t see him as a “negative influence” more of a NO influence guy. He didn’t really show any passion for the game. If he could ever get a clear head, no doubt he would be a top 5 receiver.

You could say the same for a lot of players who come down the pike. I still think Ryan Leaf could have been a great QB if it weren't for the fact that he didn't seem to want to play football. To me, Boston is the same type of player, and players like that, once they are set-for-life rich, will never display the all-out effort that got them their fat contract. Boston should be a 100-catch 1500-yard reciver considering how physically dominating he can be. Problem is, he would have had to try...