Drew Brees

[FutureGM]

Drew Brees will be the starter this year mark my words. He is now going into only his fourth total NFL season and only his third as a starting quarterback. For his career he has a career quarterback rating of 73.7 has thrown 29 touchdowns to 31 interceptions and has a career completion percentage of 60%. Why did AJ Smith pick Phillip Rivers why. Now when Drew has his breakout seaon this year he will look like an idiot and will get fired and Dean Spanos will hire me as the GM and we will win the Super Bowl in 2007. David Carr the number one pick two years ago is also going into his third year as a starting NFL quarterback he has a career quarterback rating of 65.5 has thrown 18 touchdowns to 28 picks in his career and has a completion percentage of 54%. Joey Harrington has a career quarterback rating of 62.2 has thrown 29 touchdown to 38 picks and has a completion percentage of 53.3 did the Lions or Texans draft a quarterback in the first round after their supposed quarterback of the future had a dismall sophmore season. NOPE. If anyone on this site knows AJ Smith and possibly works for the Chargers run this by him I would really like an explanation. Imagine instead of Rivers in the Giants trade it could have been Kellen Winslow, Sean Taylor, or Roy Williams. PLease AJ you are an NFL GM I would like an explanation.

[foty89]

The simple answer is that numbers do not tell the whole story. There are other threads about this subject that you could have read and posted on instead of starting a new one. Please go and read some of the postings on them.

You as GM? If your assessment of team needs is based solely on stats, you would not do a very good job. Also, of the three players that you mentioned, only Roy Williams would have been of any help to us. We already have depth at the other two player’s positions.

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[vtchargers]

I agree about Brees Breaking out ,But if Marty has anything to do with it Brees will do it next year for another team. Marty seems to be pushing Rivers ( who Reminds me of Leaf not going to be good under pressure) Like someone said on espn marty should have stayed retired!

[WVBOLTFAN]

I too think it was a mistake to waste a pick on a QB when Brees was never given the talent as in WR's and O-Line to succeed!!We could have used the pick on a real need like Gallery,Fitzgerald,orTaylor which are actual needs!!Rivers would have done no better with what Brees has had to work with!!

[Wanders]

Brees is and will be a good QB, he has never had a solid line or good receivers. If The WR would not drop passes or knock them in there air then maybe Brees would have more Receptions and less Interceptions. Last year how many INT were caused by the WR's, off their hands or pads, whatever more the 1/2. Rivers looks like if he get hit from the right side as he throws in the NFL it could end his career with a serious shoulder dislocation or break. Brees had great college number and if he can replicate that in the NFL look out. Also being in a very heavy Run orientated system, Brees does not have the comfort level he should. In his first year as starter how many passes did he avg per 1/2 half of game, very low. BLOCK for him and TD's Will Come. Come on a QB needs atleast 3 secs, not 1.

[Hoss]

Brees's weak arm will wear out before mid-season.i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif

[foty89]

There were indeed many weaknesses on the team last year. The overall record was the result of many players not doing well. However, if you look solely at what Brees did last year, he regressed from the previous year. He made bad reads, bad passes and bad decisions, he just went backwards. College numbers do not always translate to NFL success. For those of you mentioning Leaf, give me a break. Rivers is a family man, down to earth and has already earned the respect of the team, INCLUDING L.T. He is no Leaf.

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[charger33]

I find it rather humorous that our own fans can call the kid Leaf. He has had 2 pre season games and a few practices. Let's not forget how truly crappy Leaf was. Rivers will be a pro bowler, and we will be better team when he starts.

[foty89]

Originally posted by: charger33
I find it rather humorous that our own fans can call the kid Leaf. He has had 2 pre season games and a few practices. Let's not forget how truly crappy Leaf was. Rivers will be a pro bowler, and we will be better team when he starts.


Based on the low number of posts from some of these “fans”, you have to wonder if they are really fans at all. Many here are UT regulars, so you know where they stand, but some you have to wonder about.

The Leaf comparison is just absurd, ridiculous, ludicrous and so on, and so forth.

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[Riversrat]

As someone who is a huge fan of Philip Rivers and has been throughout his college career, I can say that he has incredible talent. He may be having a rough start but he will turn that around very soon. Rivers is incredible to watch. He is tough and very, very smart. Give him a little bit to time to catch up with the speed of the game and make up for all those missed practices and you will be awed. His first three plays are more indicitive of his abilities than anything else you have seen. Give him a chance to play with the first team and it's a whole new ball game. Is he ready to start? I don't think so but will be very soon. But if he is chosen as starter, he will rise to the occasion.

[FutureGM]

Phillip Rivers has the same armstrength as Drew Brees probably worse his awkward delivery contributes to that. You know that if AJ Smith had given up totally on Drew Brees which he pretty much did by drafting a quarterback with Phillip Rivers. Why did he draft the same type of quarterback both Drew and Phillip ran the wide open spread offence in college throwing out of the shotgun a lot of the time. As for those of you who are so very high on Rivers it sounds oh so familiar with Drew Brees two years ago. As for him regressing yeah he did make some bad reads and bad throws but what quarterback does not? He had a miserable line who did not give up many sacks but he had people in his face all of the time. As for statistics being misleading how so do you think that David Carr or Joey Harrington looked better than Drew last season. Honestly for those of you (foty89) who think Sean Taylor or Kellen Winslow would not have been a help that is rediculous my friend do you think Sean Taylor would not have helped us at the safety position. Oh yeah you are right Jerry Wilson is a pro bowler whoops slipped my mind. Kellen Winslow not helping us could you imagine hem and Antonio Gates in a two tight end set with LT in the backfield. Running play action in that set would kill people. Phillip Rivers is a good talent but I really hope he gets traded. This is Drew Brees team bottom line how can you give a guy two years of starting with mediocre talent around him besides LT. Please answer that question for me.

[foty89]

I don’t think that Rivers and Brees have the same arm strength. I think that Rivers has the better arm. As even you admitted, Brees regressed last year. Now how much of that is due to the team and how much is due to him is very debatable. The fact is that he did regress.

Being under pressure could have forced him to make bad decisions, pressure could have also helped him make mistakes reading defenses.

However, his accuracy was his own doing. Even with no pressure he was off. He failed to deliver the ball on target often. While a lot of the balls that were dropped were the receivers fault, a lot of them were Drew’s fault for not being on target. The same goes for his interceptions.

I like Brees, I think he is a standup guy and a true competitor with heart. However, I did not see any signs of improvement last year. He has a great first half of a season in his first year starting, and it has been mostly down hill since.

Why is this? I think that Drew has a certain set of abilities that he brings to the table. He did very well with them in college. And it looked good at the start in the NFL. But what happened is that in the beginning, opponents did not know what to expect from him and how to fully game plan against him. Hence he did very well against generic defenses. Once he had played a few games, teams got better scouting on him and started to plan accordingly. Since that point in time, he has had a lot of problems.

Could he still be a good quarterback? I think he can be, maybe not as a starter, but certainly as a backup. However, he does not fit the team approach that the Chargers are taking. I think that the best thing for both the Chargers and Drew is for him to be traded, or leave at the end of the season. Drew could really use a fresh start with a team that has a really good QB coach to bring him along.

While Rivers is no proven NFL talent yet, he does have better size, more arm strength and a quicker release. He has great potential. He will need experience to either develop or die in the NFL. I hope that he develops.

Given that Brees does not appear to be the answer, why wait another year and try to get a quarterback when his contract was up? From all reports I have seen, next year’s draft is not going to be good for QB’s. While the players you mention may in fact be better than what we have, the players we have are serviceable and hard working. The quarterback position needed to be resolved for the future of the team. No other position on the team is as hard or as key to team success as the quarterback, that is why taking a quarterback was the right decision.

Has the QB situation be resolved for the future, we don’t know yet. But at least the team took the approach to address the situation now instead of waiting until later. Another point worth mentioning here is that the support of Brees is largely based on his preseason performance. While he did do pretty well, he did pretty well last year and look how that turned out.

Is the situation really fair to Brees, who has worked very hard? No, it is not, but that is life in the NFL. It is very much a what have you done for me lately deal, and Drew has not done enough.

I hope that he does prove that he can be a good starter, I wish him all the success. I’d love to see him have a great career. But in the end, I think he is an average quarterback who will likely end up as a backup.

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[Rivers2Tomlinson]

How can you say that Rivers is either like Leaf or Brees. The man is a class act with a strong arm, good reads and he takes command of the field. Nothing like either Leaf or Brees.

[Chargeroo]

I see that I can change forums but the arguments remain the same. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif Here's my take.

I think Brees still has upside and will be a decent starter in the NFL. However, the draft is over - it's a done deal. They drafted Philip Rivers. He's a very good prospect, better prospect then Drew was coming out of college. You never know about the conversion from college to the NFL, especially for QB's, but I look at Rivers. - He a son of a coach, so he's been learning about football ever since he can recall. He started in college for all four years - as opposed to the typical two year starter coming into the league. He had his best games in the bowls - that bodes well for us when we finally make it to the playoffs again. He has a stronger arm that Drew and he's 6'5'' - he can throw over the middle because he can see over the middle. Give this young guy a chance and I really believe he'll turn into a fine QB. Forget about the awkward motion and look at his accuracy. His quick release is comparable to Dan Fouts. I bet Rivers will take over as the starter by mid-season. He's a top notch prospect.

[chargerfanjim619]

I know, the Leaf thing is way of of hand. People need to get that outta there heads. Starting to sound like the Padres excuses for not being able to hit at Pet-Co park. The only similarity between the two is thier both big QB's....and Leaf was heavier so there!!! Drew will be good, he has some talent around him now. This QB debate is ludicrous and Marty is an idiot for being so cloak and dagger about it. Brees is the starter if he wants his team to follow him. That's for this year...we will all have to wait and see for ACTUAL results.

[foty89]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo
I see that I can change forums but the arguments remain the same. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif .

Hey Roo,

Truer words have never been spoken on either board! What is particularly amusing is that some of the EXACT SAME thread titles and posts are on both. I guess we have some busy bees cutting and pasting back and forth.

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[BlueandGold]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo
I see that I can change forums but the arguments remain the same. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

If course, Chargeroo! The Chargers didn't magically change into the Brady Bunch while we switched forums.

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There's still a coach named Schottenheimer, a QB named Flutie, and a rookie named Rivers.

[FutureGM]

Phillip rivers was a starter at NC State for four years e broke a lot of passing records and all but come on until last year he was seen as a late round draft pick at best. He does not have a strong arm when have you seen him let it rip Drew throws a way better deep ball than Phillip. Besides when does a quarterback have to throw a 100mph ball to a reciever 65 yards down field. I like Phillip Rivers he is a family man has a kid and carries himself well on and off the field. But by just watching the press conference on ESPN News I have a gut feeling that Marrty wanted nothing to do with Phillip Rivers he is the third string quarterback regardless of all the potential he shows this is Drew's team. LT even said it at the end of the season right before the draft. LT is a team guy and those words of Phillip are just that words. Many of you see this as optimistic and thats fine you are entitled to your opinion as am I. Drew will lead this team and prove he belongs. You guys can reply to me about everything else I said but why give up on a guy after only two years he was not that bad last year come on.

[Riversrat]

Originally posted by: FutureGM
Phillip rivers was a starter at NC State for four years e broke a lot of passing records and all but come on until last year he was seen as a late round draft pick at best. He does not have a strong arm when have you seen him let it rip Drew throws a way better deep ball than Phillip. Besides when does a quarterback have to throw a 100mph ball to a reciever 65 yards down field. I like Phillip Rivers he is a family man has a kid and carries himself well on and off the field. But by just watching the press conference on ESPN News I have a gut feeling that Marrty wanted nothing to do with Phillip Rivers he is the third string quarterback regardless of all the potential he shows this is Drew's team. LT even said it at the end of the season right before the draft. LT is a team guy and those words of Phillip are just that words. Many of you see this as optimistic and thats fine you are entitled to your opinion as am I. Drew will lead this team and prove he belongs. You guys can reply to me about everything else I said but why give up on a guy after only two years he was not that bad last year come on.


People keep asking why write off Brees after only two years, why are so many of you wanting to write off Rivers after 2 weeks?

He may not have been a household name on that coast but he did not just come on last year. He is something special and I think that people just took notice last year. Here are some of his rookie numbers.


2000: ACC Rookie of Year...Academic All-ACC choice after posting 3.1 GPA...set ACC freshman record for passing yards (3,054)...named ACC Rookie of Week league-record eight times...ABC Sports Newcomer of Year... Football News Freshman of Year...

Columbus Touchdown Club Freshman of Year...ranked 12th nationally in total offense per game (269.7) and passing yards (3,054)...named MVP of Micron PC Bowl in 38-30 win over Minnesota...passed for 413 yards and three scores in win over Duke...set ACC freshman record and tied school mark with five touchdowns against Indiana while passing for 401 yards... passed for 397 yards in first collegiate game against Arkansas State...graduated with degree in business.

[dgjock]

Originally posted by: Riversrat

2000: ACC Rookie of Year...Academic All-ACC choice after posting 3.1 GPA...set ACC freshman record for passing yards (3,054)...named ACC Rookie of Week league-record eight times...ABC Sports Newcomer of Year... Football News Freshman of Year...



Columbus Touchdown Club Freshman of Year...ranked 12th nationally in total offense per game (269.7) and passing yards (3,054)...named MVP of Micron PC Bowl in 38-30 win over Minnesota...passed for 413 yards and three scores in win over Duke...set ACC freshman record and tied school mark with five touchdowns against Indiana while passing for 401 yards... passed for 397 yards in first collegiate game against Arkansas State...graduated with degree in business.

Im not startinga Brees vs Rivers, but just for comparison, here are drew's number in his first year as a starter in college (He started as a sophomore):

1998: Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year by the media ... second team all-conference by both coaches and media ... finished 16th in the balloting for the Heisman Trophy, tops among underclassman quarterbacks ... Academic All-Big Ten ... started all 13 games ... set Big Ten and Purdue season records for passing attempts (569), completions (361), yards (3,983) and touchdowns (39) ... completed 63.4 percent of pass attempts ... rushed for 193 yards and three touchdowns on 69 carries ... had school-record six touchdown passes in game twice (vs. Minnesota on Oct. 3 and at Northwestern on Nov. 7) ... threw for school-record 522 yards vs. Minnesota while completing 31 of 36 passes (.861) ... set NCAA record with 83 attempts and tied standard with 55 completions at Wisconsin on Oct. 10 ... threw season-long 70-yard touchdown pass to Randall Lane at Northwestern ... threw for 230 yards and three touchdowns, including the game winner in the final 30 seconds vs. Kansas State in the Alamo Bowl.

As you might see college numbers is meaningless in the NFL. So until Rivers' performance can beat out Brees in the NFL, I will put my money on Brees as starting QB of the chargers

[wolfpacker93]

It is funny to read all these posts. You people don't even have a clue as to the type of PLAYER that you have in Rivers. Just remember, not everything is in the physical aspect of the game when it comes to an NFL QB. You probably get sick of these types of references, but he just has "IT". Mark my words, within a year, you will know what I am talking about. While Brees might be solid NFL QB, he isn't Rivers. Brees might be the best for choice for now, but this decision is delaying the inevitable. Should have started Philip now. What is the difference between a 2-14 season compared to a 5-11 season? Just a little worse of a draft pick that the Chargers will sign late next year. Brees is not the answer and any intelligent NFL mind will probably attest to this. Just because the guy went 5-5 in a preseason game he has changed? Interesting. Delay the inevitable and take just that much longer to get back into the playoffs....At least the Giants have an past-his-prime PROVEN player to keep the seat warm for Manning.

[dgjock]

Originally posted by: wolfpacker93
It is funny to read all these posts. You people don't even have a clue as to the type of PLAYER that you have in Rivers. Just remember, not everything is in the physical aspect of the game when it comes to an NFL QB. You probably get sick of these types of references, but he just has "IT". Mark my words, within a year, you will know what I am talking about. While Brees might be solid NFL QB, he isn't Rivers. Brees might be the best for choice for now, but this decision is delaying the inevitable. Should have started Philip now. What is the difference between a 2-14 season compared to a 5-11 season? Just a little worse of a draft pick that the Chargers will sign late next year. Brees is not the answer and any intelligent NFL mind will probably attest to this. Just because the guy went 5-5 in a preseason game he has changed? Interesting. Delay the inevitable and take just that much longer to get back into the playoffs....At least the Giants have an past-his-prime PROVEN player to keep the seat warm for Manning.

The difference between 2-14 and 5-11 is winning 3 more games and it proves the team's commitment to winning. Remember why Manning didnt want to go to the chargers? Because he thought the chargers is lacking that winning commitment. Besides, sidelining Rivers doesnt mean not developping him. Doug Flutie can coach him in the sideline (better that Brian S i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif) He can also observe Brees' mistakes and try not to make them when he eventually play

[LTRocks]

I agree! You put good players around drew and he will be better than good. If the Chargers would have took Gallery, can you amagine Lt runnibg behind him OH MY!!!! LT would have 2000 yards easy. And Robert protecting Drews back side. That was the chose we shound have taken. i/expressions/SDG_Drew_Brees.gif

[KingKevo]

No one ever mentions the success that Brees had in college. He was an absolute stud at Purdue and I dont think anyone has any right to be questioning his talent. Considering what he had around him, he had an okay first few years. I think drafting Rivers was a mistake, Rivers is a very good player, but we should have at least given Brees a shot. Also I think Brees may have looked shaky in pre-season because Marty refused to name him as starter and so he felt he had to do everything perfect to win the job that should have been his to start with.

[dgjock]

Originally posted by: KingKevo
No one ever mentions the success that Brees had in college. He was an absolute stud at Purdue and I dont think anyone has any right to be questioning his talent. Considering what he had around him, he had an okay first few years. I think drafting Rivers was a mistake, Rivers is a very good player, but we should have at least given Brees a shot. Also I think Brees may have looked shaky in pre-season because Marty refused to name him as starter and so he felt he had to do everything perfect to win the job that should have been his to start with.

Since you mentioned that here it is:

Drew Brees (http://purduesports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/brees_drew00.html)

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Career: Purdue and Big Ten Conference career leader in passing attempts (1,678), passing completions (1,026), passing yards (11,792), passing touchdowns (90) and total offense (12,692) … Purdue leader in career completion percentage (.611) … ranks second in school history with 132.5 passing efficiency mark and 45 interceptions … tied for 14th with 14 rushing touchdowns and tied for 16th with 16 non-passing touchdowns (14 rushing and two receiving) … only quarterback in Big Ten history with two 500-plus passing yards … has school records of seven, 400-plus-yard passing games, 16, 300-plus-yard passing games and 27, 250-plus-yard passing games … Purdue leader in career rushing yards among quarterbacks (900) … on NCAA career lists (which do not include bowl games) ranks fourth in attempts (1,525), fourth in completions (942), fourth in total offense (11,815), ninth in passing yards (10,909) and tied for 11th in passing touchdowns (81) … named Big Ten Offensive Player of the Week eight times (tied with Wisconsin running back Ron Dayne for most-often in conference history).

2000: Maxwell Award recipient (nation’s top player) ... finished third in Heisman Trophy balloting (behind Florida State quarterback Chris Weinke and Oklahoma quarterback Josh Heupel) ... Academic All-American of the Year ... Purdue’s first, first-team Academic All-American since offensive tackle Bruce Brineman in 1989 ... finalist for Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award as nation’s top senior quarterback … semifinalist for Davey O’Brien National Quarterback Award … named National Collegiate Scholar-Athlete by National Football Foundation and College Football Hall of Fame ($18,000 postgraduate scholarship) … first team All-American by Gannett News Service … third team All-American by Football News … Chicago Tribune Silver Football recipient as Big Ten Most Valuable Player ... Purdue’s first Silver Football honoree since quarterback Mark Herrmann in 1980) ... Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year and first team All-Big Ten by both coaches and media … team Most Valuable Player … also received team’s Leonard Wilson Award (unselfishness and dedication) and Kiwanis Citizenship Award … Academic All-District V and All-Big Ten … four-time Big Ten Offensive Player of the Week (weeks ending Sept. 10-co, Sept. 24, Oct. 15, Oct. 29-co) … started all 12 games … completed 309 of 512 passes (60.4 percent) for 3,668 yards with 26 touchdowns and 12 interceptions … team’s second-leading rusher with 512 yards on 95 carries (5.5 average) with five touchdowns … only Bo Bobrowski has rushed for more yards in a season among Purdue quarterbacks with 549 in 1973 ... led nation in total offense (358.1 yards per game) … second player in school history to be nation’s total offense leader following quarterback Jim Everett in 1985 ... set Purdue and Big Ten season total offense record with 4,189 yards ... became Purdue’s career total offense and completions leader while completing 32 of 46 passes for 415 yards with two touchdowns vs. Kent State on Sept. 9 … completed 33 of 49 passes for 409 yards with two touchdowns and took over Purdue top spot for career passing touchdowns and attempts vs. Minnesota on

[Riversrat]

Originally posted by: wolfpacker93
It is funny to read all these posts. You people don't even have a clue as to the type of PLAYER that you have in Rivers. Just remember, not everything is in the physical aspect of the game when it comes to an NFL QB. You probably get sick of these types of references, but he just has "IT". Mark my words, within a year, you will know what I am talking about. While Brees might be solid NFL QB, he isn't Rivers. Brees might be the best for choice for now, but this decision is delaying the inevitable. Should have started Philip now. What is the difference between a 2-14 season compared to a 5-11 season? Just a little worse of a draft pick that the Chargers will sign late next year. Brees is not the answer and any intelligent NFL mind will probably attest to this. Just because the guy went 5-5 in a preseason game he has changed? Interesting. Delay the inevitable and take just that much longer to get back into the playoffs....At least the Giants have an past-his-prime PROVEN player to keep the seat warm for Manning.


THANK YOU! We all keep singing the same song but they just won't get it until the magic begins!! Till then, this Rivers Girl will keep singing...(we're the red and white...oops sorry flashback)

[thismustbejon]

Originally posted by: Riversrat

Originally posted by: wolfpacker93

It is funny to read all these posts. You people don't even have a clue as to the type of PLAYER that you have in Rivers. Just remember, not everything is in the physical aspect of the game when it comes to an NFL QB. You probably get sick of these types of references, but he just has "IT". Mark my words, within a year, you will know what I am talking about. While Brees might be solid NFL QB, he isn't Rivers. Brees might be the best for choice for now, but this decision is delaying the inevitable. Should have started Philip now. What is the difference between a 2-14 season compared to a 5-11 season? Just a little worse of a draft pick that the Chargers will sign late next year. Brees is not the answer and any intelligent NFL mind will probably attest to this. Just because the guy went 5-5 in a preseason game he has changed? Interesting. Delay the inevitable and take just that much longer to get back into the playoffs....At least the Giants have an past-his-prime PROVEN player to keep the seat warm for Manning.





THANK YOU! We all keep singing the same song but they just won't get it until the magic begins!! Till then, this Rivers Girl will keep singing...(we're the red and white...oops sorry flashback)


so I guess there is only 3 of us that want Rivers starting

[thismustbejon]

dgjock dont get me started on college stats i dont think there is a argument here

[dgjock]

Originally posted by: thismustbejon
dgjock dont get me started on college stats i dont think there is a argument here

Well, I'm not trying to start an argument about college stats. I simply just provide a comparison. You may take my posting as whatever you wish. Like my signature say, there's a big difference between blind loyalty and informed decision. I just want everyone here to be informed, so they can make whatever decision they want.

[Dstorm2004]

Originally posted by: vtchargers
I agree about Brees Breaking out ,But if Marty has anything to do with it Brees will do it next year for another team. Marty seems to be pushing Rivers ( who Reminds me of Leaf not going to be good under pressure) Like someone said on espn marty should have stayed retired!


Give me a Break man...

BREES is not good under pressure!. He is a choke master. Look at last year.. Sheesh..

But no.. Less than 4 total Quarters of play and less than 2 weeks of Full practices.. with *NO* reps as the starter and you have Rivers pegged as a *choker under pressure*..

I am sorry but that just about the DUMBEST thing i have read in at least the last five min...

[Dstorm2004]

Originally posted by: FutureGM
Phillip Rivers has the same armstrength as Drew Brees probably worse his awkward delivery contributes to that. You know that if AJ Smith had given up totally on Drew Brees which he pretty much did by drafting a quarterback with Phillip Rivers. Why did he draft the same type of quarterback both Drew and Phillip ran the wide open spread offence in college throwing out of the shotgun a lot of the time. As for those of you who are so very high on Rivers it sounds oh so familiar with Drew Brees two years ago. As for him regressing yeah he did make some bad reads and bad throws but what quarterback does not? He had a miserable line who did not give up many sacks but he had people in his face all of the time. As for statistics being misleading how so do you think that David Carr or Joey Harrington looked better than Drew last season. Honestly for those of you (foty89) who think Sean Taylor or Kellen Winslow would not have been a help that is rediculous my friend do you think Sean Taylor would not have helped us at the safety position. Oh yeah you are right Jerry Wilson is a pro bowler whoops slipped my mind. Kellen Winslow not helping us could you imagine hem and Antonio Gates in a two tight end set with LT in the backfield. Running play action in that set would kill people. Phillip Rivers is a good talent but I really hope he gets traded. This is Drew Brees team bottom line how can you give a guy two years of starting with mediocre talent around him besides LT. Please answer that question for me.

Give me a break AGAIN!!...

PULEASE... Is Clueless on sale this week? or what!!!.. Rivers has a FAR better arm. Way more arm strength. Plus he has much statistically proven accuracy. When was the last time brees completed 13 passes in a row *EVER* regardless of how short they were. Rivers has a much faster release as well. Hank on 760 was nearly speachless when Rivers tossed that pass to Dyson. He said "There are only a few QB's in the league that could have made that pass". That is a QUOTE. Rivers is an Eliete QB with Eliete Skills. He only needs a little time to get cought up on all his missed time.

[radwang]

dgjock.

I agree. Being a fairly new Chargers fan what I've noticed is San Diego fans (no offense) are always looking to pickup the next best guy coming out of college, always talking about next year. This has just got to end, they have got to develop the talent they have now and not keep trying for the lottery. Brees has play ok under the horrible offensive line that the Chargers are able to scrap from the bottom of the league. For the first time they finally may have one that will protect the QB and give him some time to operate. Based on performance, Brees deserves to start and I hope he proves to all of us that he is the same stud that we luckily drafted in the second round (probably should've gone in the first). From what I hear GB would love to have him backup Favre. GO Brees! GO Bolts!

[Dstorm2004]

Originally posted by: FutureGM
Phillip rivers was a starter at NC State for four years e broke a lot of passing records and all but come on until last year he was seen as a late round draft pick at best. He does not have a strong arm when have you seen him let it rip Drew throws a way better deep ball than Phillip. Besides when does a quarterback have to throw a 100mph ball to a reciever 65 yards down field. I like Phillip Rivers he is a family man has a kid and carries himself well on and off the field. But by just watching the press conference on ESPN News I have a gut feeling that Marrty wanted nothing to do with Phillip Rivers he is the third string quarterback regardless of all the potential he shows this is Drew's team. LT even said it at the end of the season right before the draft. LT is a team guy and those words of Phillip are just that words. Many of you see this as optimistic and thats fine you are entitled to your opinion as am I. Drew will lead this team and prove he belongs. You guys can reply to me about everything else I said but why give up on a guy after only two years he was not that bad last year come on.

Good freaking grief...

You are so far out of reality its freaking sickening. Seriously sickening. Brees has a better deep ball than Rivers? Rivers has no arm strength? Did you even Watch the senior bowl as just ONE example?

You are living in fantasy land plain and simple. You need to check back into reality with the rest of us. Brees has *ALWAYS* been critisized for having next to *no* arm strength on a pro level. He Floats nearly every pass over 15 yards. He underthrows and *badly* floats in nearly every single pass over 25 yards.

Shoty wants nothing top do with Rivers huh? You are freaking clueless... This is RIVERS TEAM. Not DREWS team. If it was DREWS team they would not have spend 40 million on RIVERS. Rivers simply needs a little more time to get ready thats all. He is not ready to be the starter or the backup week one. That will change within a Few weeks. Its funny that you can blow off all the comments Marty has made about Rivers and think that he *wants nothing to do with him* based of less than 2 full preseason games and 2 weeks of practice..

Its frankly insultingly IDIOTIC.

It is freaking irritating reading posts like this becuase they are just made up fanatical NONSENSE.

[Johndbr]

Man did this one strike a never lol. I only read about 30% of the posts, so if I am repeating someone sorry.

I agree with both of the fist two posters, except the second poster is not practicing what he is preaching. He is not looking at the over all situation. First Brees had to deal with a awful O-line. We were starting second and third stringers and had brought in a few that had not made the team just for depth. Bro that alone could kill a QBs season, but it gets worse. Second, he had to deal with receivers that would only run one out of three plays. When Brees had to check down to his second or third receiver, they were flat out not ready and when he tried to force it to his main receiver {mommas boy boston TM} he would refuse to Catch the ball. If they had been trying all year long Brees would have had one of the best completion rates in the league last year. To top it all off you had {mommas boy boston TM} and Wiley were dividing the locker room away from not only Brees, but the Coach too and you simply can not have that.

Last year was not Brees's or Marty's fault. They did not choose these people, they simply had to deal with them and that suxors. If you want to blame someone, blame the right person, AJ. I hope spamos fires him next year, I do not think he or Butler has made one good decision since they get here.

I do not think Brees regressed at all last year. In short he went through a school of hard knocks and whereas it made last very painful for us, it was probably the best school possible for Brees. Thing imploded to fast for you to blame it on bad decisions on his part, he was doing the best he could with what he had and that is all you can ask. I think with this years improvements, you will be mind boggled over how much Brees improves.

As for us drafting Rivers, that was just disgusting. Do not get me wrong, I have nothing against Rivers and considering we got him, I hope he is the next coming of Fouts, but with legs i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif However that trade could have still happened with us making a much better selection than Rivers that would help this team. I personally thing that Kelin Winslow Jr is 100% punk, but that punk can catch. I saw one of his first catches in the NFL. He was up against the opposing team first stringers. He cut a crossed the middle and in mid stride he jumped up and twisted his body completely around, caught the ball and was able to turn around again before his feet hit the ground, gained his balanced and touched down in full stride and gained about another five yards before he was brought down. It was aw-some. He would have been a much better pick, for the team than Rivers, by a long shot.

John B.

[ChargerSpud]

I'm just looking towards the Houston Texans this weekend. Brees is the starting quarterback for now, if your a Charger fan, get behind him, Rivers is going to be awesome soon, when he gets his chance get behind him. Both were accomplished QB's in college, now they are in the NFL and have to prove themselves here.

[dgjock]

Originally posted by: radwang
dgjock.

I agree. Being a fairly new Chargers fan what I've noticed is San Diego fans (no offense) are always looking to pickup the next best guy coming out of college, always talking about next year. This has just got to end, they have got to develop the talent they have now and not keep trying for the lottery. Brees has play ok under the horrible offensive line that the Chargers are able to scrap from the bottom of the league. For the first time they finally may have one that will protect the QB and give him some time to operate. Based on performance, Brees deserves to start and I hope he proves to all of us that he is the same stud that we luckily drafted in the second round (probably should've gone in the first). From what I hear GB would love to have him backup Favre. GO Brees! GO Bolts!

My point exactly! San Diego Chargers is a professional sport team in the premiere division of its sport. You are in the premiere league for one thing, winning. If you want to develop players, thats the job of the minor league teams. Now, sometimes a premiere division team can help the maturation of its young players by playing them in a match where losing or winning is a sure thing. So while there is still chance of winning, it doesnt make sense to play a young player while better veteran is available. Now, if the chargers looks like for sure going to go 0-16, then Rivers can start for the reason just to aide his development. Remember, Ryan Leaf did look like he was going to be the future of this team and we all know what happened. Drew Brees also looked like the same thing but now lots of you are calling for his head. Heck, Tim Couch looked good, but look at him now. So until Rivers can give this team a better or at least the same chance of winning as what Brees could give now, I don't think we should start the kid yet.

[Wanders]

Ok There is the Issue of Brees vs Rivers, Rivers at best to help him is to sit on the bench watch and learn and if Brees flops he can see what the issues are to learn, but i have plenty confidence of Brees excelling with SD. Chargers are carrying 4 QB's right now, after this year Brees is a free agent. The best option for SD is to sign Drew to an extension, let Rivers learn and be Drew's back-up till the day Rivers physically beats Drew out. Flutie has this year after that he becomes a liability. Drew is a veteran and will get better. People mention how he regressed his second year as starter but 1 look at all the injuries, the unstable line, and the fact it is common that the 2nd year for just about every QB starting is there worst year. Its called the sophmore blues. Drew Brees will win a Superbowl in his career and be an all-pro QB, dont count him out yet, just watch and learn, and even some of the best Teams and Top tier QB's (e.g. Manning, McNabb, Culpepper, how many superbowls do they have and look at there teams) cant get to the Superbowl. Point is watch Brees lead a team to the superbowl and Lord help it be SD, Rivers may be good, but in his career it will not match what Drew does. Next year if Kassim turns into a Moss WR and Parker and Caldwell develop into reliable relief, and with Parker's speed and SD turns up the notch and stretch that field that will open the game right up for LT to run loose.

BREES FUTURE SUPERBOWL MVP

[dfouts]

Hats off to Drew! Didn't Rivers look like Leaf on the sideline? Am I the only one that noticed that?

[WHITELIGHTNING]

What is Drew's pro won lost record and pro stats, list them please. Oh and i dont want to hear, oh his line sucked, oh the defense sucked, oh this and oh that. A true pro QB wins bottom line. NO EXCUSES.




NUFF SAID.

[Thunderstruck]

Won't hurt Rivers one little tiny bit to sit on the bench for a few games or the entire season this year.

[Wanders]

Originally posted by: WHITELIGHTNING
What is Drew's pro won lost record and pro stats, list them please. Oh and i dont want to hear, oh his line sucked, oh the defense sucked, oh this and oh that. A true pro QB wins bottom line. NO EXCUSES.


NUFF SAID.


Ok here you go and I'll compare them to one of the greatest QB of all time and Hall-A-Famer and record holder and Former CHARGERS, DAN FOUTS

Here is the comparison between Fouts and Brees and the Div Rank in ()

Year Fouts Brees
1 2-11-1 (4) 8-8 (3T)
2 5-9 (4) 2-9 (3T)
3 2-12 (4) 1-0 (Currently 1st)
4 6-8 (3)
5 7-7 (3)
6 9-7 (4)

So as you see Fouts didnt have a winning Record till he was in his 6th year... and his 3rd Year he crapped out. So watch and Learn Brees will be as good if not better in stats then Fouts when he retires Barring Injury.......

As you also see the chargers didnt lose ground in the AFC West disspite his poor Record last year....

[Brenjetsfan]

A fire has been lit under Drew Brees. There's no question about it. His first couple of years in San Diego, he was up and down. Mostly down. In his defense, he's had very little to work with and he's still young and learning.

The Jets have to get pressure on him and force him to throw the ball early. If they don't, Brees will do some damage....

[geek]

I'm more impressed with his lanugage in the interviews as of late. The "This is my team" talk is what was sorely needed last year.

[fullnelson57]

whoever said he will wear out is crazy.

he threw 83 passes in one game against wisconsin his junior year in college. he has as much stamina as anyone in the lead

[Tomlinson21]

I read in the Sporting News Weekly article by Jim Trotter...that regardless of what happens - Rivers will be injected in the line up by mid-season. Hope this isn't true.

[Tomlinson21]

Don't worry I am a Brees supporter as well as a Rivers supporter..but mid season??? c'mon.

[JonSD]

Amen Fullnelson, very well said.

[fullnelson57]

Drew Brees is a great QB and will be one of the best before hes all said and done. He broke all of the Big-Ten records in only 2 and a half seasons. He won the Maxwell award as a senior as the best player in college football. he finsished 3rd in the heisman to chris weinke and josh heuple. Where are they now, they didnt even make the nfl and are probably cleaning his shoes for all i know. its tough to do well in the NFL if you dont have a good offensive line, wide reciever corps, or a modern NFL offensive system. He does well even without any of those. Everyone screams in defense that hes too small and cant throw hard. but let me tell you he is the greatest competitor there is and he is one of the smartest qbs i have ever watched. people look too much into physical abilities, but that doesnt mean squat if you cant find the open recievers and lead your team. Hes a great person and has been a class act even though the whole city and team bagged on him by selecting rives. i hope he does well and goes to a city where they will appreciate what they have as a qb.

Go boilers!!!

[WHITELIGHTNING]

What a waste on our new forum, you should just read awhile before you go posting garbage.

[tarballed]

Originally posted by: stateleigh
You obviously know nothing about Philip. He has always been a team player. He will get his chance to prove himself. You are probably one of the thousands of fans wishing to replace Drew when he was having problems. Why don't you do yourself and the Chargers a favor and talk up the team without talking down the players.

i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[Rivers2Tomlinson]

Rivers is not the one hoping for poor play, he wants the team to win and he is ready if he is called uponed, so shut your mouth

[Captain]

Well put, stateleigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stateleigh]

You obviously know nothing about Philip. He has always been a team player. He will get his chance to prove himself. You are probably one of the thousands of fans wishing to replace Drew when he was having problems. Why don't you do yourself and the Chargers a favor and talk up the team without talking down the players.

[martymar2007]

I am really glad on how Drew Brees stepped it up a notch in the win over the Texans, I am really impressed with his performance. I like Rivers and am looking at him in the long run but for now I am impressed with Brees' performance and am hoping for the best in this franchise. Especially with the aquisition of Antonio Gates, Brees is rolling though easily and when LT establishes the dominate running game we will pick up the wins-----

[tdmasterz]

The Chargers won't need any other Qb except Brees, unless he gets injured, and if he does Rivers should be the next guy in line. Flutie should be thankful that he is still even in the league because he is definately too old to play. If Rivers starts doin better than Brees, Rivers should keep the starting job becaus ehe will become a great QB when he gets used to playing in the NFL.

[Vedder17]

When will Chargers fan realize that Drew Blees stinks -
He's been given 3 years, and hasn't done anything -
wow, one win this year, and people think he's the greatest thing again -
Did you not watch the past 30 games he played -
Rivers4Heisman

[dgjock]

Originally posted by: Vedder17
When will Chargers fan realize that Drew Blees stinks -

He's been given 3 years, and hasn't done anything -

wow, one win this year, and people think he's the greatest thing again -

Did you not watch the past 30 games he played -

Rivers4Heisman

boriiingggg......

[Wanders]

Originally posted by: Vedder17
When will Chargers fan realize that Drew Blees stinks -

He's been given 3 years, and hasn't done anything -

wow, one win this year, and people think he's the greatest thing again -

Did you not watch the past 30 games he played -

Rivers4Heisman

You know what I have watched Brees since college and wanted the Chargers to Draft him, and if you think just because he has had 2 bad years that he is washed up, look at alot of the great QB's how many did have great first years and bad years.

Dan Fouts took 6 years to come along, Steve McNair took 6 years, Look at Culpeppers 3yrd and 4th year (2nd and 3rd yr starting) hey had 32 td 36 INT and a sub 80 to 70 rating. Peyton Manning who is a top teir QB right now took time to develop and with a Championship caliber team has not been able to get to the big show, and a QB like Trent Dilfer who has more INT's then TD, Won a Superbowl, so QB's is a Crap Shoot in the NFL. Trent Green took some time. Gannon took his team to a Superbowl and Brad Johnson, and look at their stats. Brett Favre broke out his 3rd year starting. Elway took 10 year till he maintained an above 80 rating. Took him 5 years to get a superbowl, Jim Kelly went to 4 straight Superbowls with no wins.

The first year for Brees, he was not given the option to start for they did not want him to start the wanted him to grow.

So all you who think Brees is crap because of 2 years as starting QB can just kiss his butt. He is getting crap because to many want to win day 1 from when he was drafted and wanted him to take them to a SUperbowl his first year, cause they want a new stadium and if Rivers takes over before the end of the year then SD doesnt give a crap about winning now, Rivers will not fix the problem over night he will have growing pains, Brees went threw the pains already.

The best Option for SD to make the Playoffs is Brees, and anyone that thinks differently doesn't care if they make the playoffs....

[BreesLightning]

Im a big Brees fan, he has had no line or anyone to throw to except LT the last couple years. Gates had a great game in game 1 and im sure Brees is glad to have him in the line up.

According to ESPN, it does NOT matter what Drew does in the first 4 weeks he will be gone by the trading deadline. Rivers has a lot of potential just like Brees did when he got here, both had awesome numbers in college. True College numbers doesn't equate to a productive NFL career.

Brees has played the last couple seasons but i dont think we have seen his true ability. My worst nightmare might come true..... Brees gets traded and has a probowl season with another team. Well if that happens lets just hope Marty and Marty ball gets the hell out of this organization.

[dfouts]

All this pro-Brees and anti-Brees chat is amazing to me. The Jets are comming to town and you will see the Brees bandwagon fall over. Don't you remember last year? Same old , same old.
Maybe Don and I should come out of retirement like 'Prime Time' did.

[run21lt]

Brees needs to be allowed to play an entire season, and not get yanked if he tosses an interception or two. Let's look at how he's done at the end of the season. It'll give Rivers time to learn. If Brees shows he can't get the job done over the course of the season, I'm all for Rivers taking over next season. But let's give Brees the chance to show what he can do when he doesn't have to worry about getting pulled every time he does something wrong.

Bob Eccles
Carleton, MI

[Wanders]

EXACTLY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Tomlinson21]

Let Brees play out these last 4-6 games if it is true management is going to treade him away before the Oct 19 deadline. Drew is HOT right now - he may very well win us some considerable amount of games with the situation he's in. But I accept the fact that he is no longer in the Chargers future except for these next 1/2 dozen of games. People need to realize we drafted a QB so we need to stand by it and let this play out as it was meant to play out.

Alot of Chargers fans (myself included) need to realize that all we want is a winning season this year. We expect a winning product - nothing less. Let's not get too bogged down with the QB situation. We arguably have the deepest QB position in the NFL which alot of teams don't have this year. who does Payton have? Who does Miami have? Who does Brady have? Who does Vick have? Knock one of them out and its over for those teams. Remember last year's JETS? (Oh yeah...we play them this weekend. I will be there!)

Also remember, we have Flutie as the back up and not Rivers. He's 3rd string at best right now because of the holdout. And again, with Doug on the field just raises the team confidence even higher because we have a proven veteran out there...not that Brees isn't. And we've seen a big difference in team chemistry every time Doug is out there particularly the receiver corp.

I'm glad all this is transpiring now. The whole focus right now is to groom Phillip for next year. It's good for Phillip as he realizes nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. NOTHING. Brees is living proof for him and he's learning this at an early stage in his career. This kid will step up to the huddle with confidence when his name is called and betchbygollyyeah he's gonna bring this team some big wins later in his career. But again, this isn't his for the taking just yet. Let Brees take the helm for now and Doug later....he'll get his chance.

Let's not mess with whats going right for the team right now....

We play the Jets in about in less than 72 hours. This game will anwer alot of our questions about alot of things we've been mentioning in this forum. Let's just hope we come out with a convincing win. Hope to see you all there. We'll be in P4 tailgaiting pre-game. See ya.

[dgjock]

Originally posted by: run21lt
Brees needs to be allowed to play an entire season, and not get yanked if he tosses an interception or two. Let's look at how he's done at the end of the season. It'll give Rivers time to learn. If Brees shows he can't get the job done over the course of the season, I'm all for Rivers taking over next season. But let's give Brees the chance to show what he can do when he doesn't have to worry about getting pulled every time he does something wrong.


I don't know if Marty will agree to that. He never trusts Brees.

[Wanders]

Winning is in the best interest to the team and the Front office should do everything in its power about winning and not setting the team back. There is a big emphasis about winning not due to lack of fan support and wanting a new stadium. If the Chargers dont resign brees they will set themselves, back.

Im not saying Rivers wont be good, but the best option for the team would be to Sign Brees for 2 more years and let Rivers and Brees duke it out every offseason and when Rivers can beat Brees out then thats it. Flutie after this year will not be a viable back-up... Lemons looks good but you still need a true veteran around, Lemons reminds me of a Vince Evans from many years with Raiders. If winning is what they want then cutting ties with Brees should only be if he shows he cant step it up with someone on his heals. Rivers will make the same mistakes Brees did learning this system and speed of play and its the fualt of the Organization as much as anything else on the down play of Brees in his first 2 years as a starter, They tried to bring him 2 slowly and now the presure is on, and Shafting Brees for it.

Well in 2 years after Rivers is the starter i wont doubt that we will be looking at the same thing with another QB they draft for Rivers has the same type of stats as Brees. The development of a QB should be a 3-5 years Plan of starting not 1-2 years on the bench and 1-2 years starting, then you get nowhere......

To Win is Brees
To Rebuild Is Rivers

Win Now build Later

[lego]

Originally posted by: Duke
I can't say that I've been a fan of the breezer but, I was wondering how well this young man might play if he could just drop this HUGE weight off his shoulders and let the game come to him. Kind of like what Farve did with Vicodin, but with out the pills !


You know Farve was terrible when he was in Atlanta. When he moved to GB he has been tops. Brees maybe that same type of QB. Where ever he goes I do wish him the best. I know he is a professional and has handled himself decently.

[Bolts4Life21]

He already has the mindset of, "I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna win and go far with this team". He's shown us he can do it. Also, I think it is a lot of Martyball getting in the way of developing him now that we have a descent O-line. I think there's a lot of stuff that happens behind closed doors that we don't know about as well. Funny how we were last in everything, but already in week two, we've continued to climb the Power Rankings repeatedly. Go Bolts!

[Johndbr]

Breez is doing great here. It does not have anything to do with him letting the game come to him, but for Breez to step up and to start taking responciblity for the game he is in play per play. Once he starts saying, hey I like this I am going to do it or screw this; I know what the coach wants but it ain't going to work! What can I do to make the best out of a bad situation? Instead of just going on automatic every time the coach sends in a play, he will start to shine. Ya I know he will take heat for not running a piticular play, but that heat is a lot easier to take than the heat from a INT if you ask me.

John B.

[Duke]

Hmmm... Could it be too much "Martyball" and not enough "Breezerball".

[Duke]

I can't say that I've been a fan of the breezer but, I was wondering how well this young man might play if he could just drop this HUGE weight off his shoulders and let the game come to him. Kind of like what Farve did with Vicodin, but with out the pills !

[TrumpetDude]

Originally posted by: WHITELIGHTNING
I think Brees has been his worst own enemy, missing wide open receivers and throwing INT's will cause that.


We can blame Brian Shott all we want but Brian Schott is not throwing the ball nor is he going through the slow as molasses reads which are going thru the Breesers mind. Brees shows flashes and I am going to be bummed to see him leave the team. i/expressions/SDG_Bolt.gif

[WHITELIGHTNING]

I think Brees has been his worst own enemy, missing wide open receivers and throwing INT's will cause that.

[TrumpetDude]

If we get anything for Brees I would wish for a D-Lineman. Then an O-Lineman. Getting a WR is down on the list of pressing needs. We also need a Free Safety if this HART dude we got doesn't pan out. Jerry Wilson is not the answer. We could move Kiel to the FS position and I think he would tear it a new one. i/expressions/SDG_Bolt.gif

[Chargeroo]

I'd rather see them get a stud lineman - OT or DT would please me. I guess a good WR would also be a good thing. It's more likely that they'd get a draft pick for him though. How good a pick depends on how he does in the next 3 or 4 weeks.

[SanLuisFan]

Looks like the trade deadline is October 19th, which means a deal would have to happen before the week 7 game.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6000900

[TrumpetDude]

I am not a Brees basher. I loved this dude his first year and the Cool Brees labels and his composure in the pocket. Last year, I wrote off as a slump year and the supporting cast who sucked rotten eggs. This year, I am seeing the same things I bit my lip on in last years games. In Houston, I saw Brees and he had a great statistical game but his missed passes were horrible and the passes were off the mark. Not all his passes but enough that if I were a WR, I would be mad at the Q.B. for leaving me out to dry with a bad pass which leaves my ribs exposed.

I saw Rivers at Minicamp and in the preseason live. I know and can see what the Rivers kid has and it is a nasty combination of stones, an accurate and strong arm and a quick delivery. I hate seeing Brees leave and wish we could keep him as a back-up but Brees deserves his payday as a FA and he deserves to start somewhere - it just won't be here in San Diego after Week 6 of this year. i/expressions/SDG_Bolt.gif

[CoopDeVille]

Yeah...you are probably right.....my only request is that we get a WR or a draft pick....not another freakin' DB!!

[kiwibolt]

Originally posted by: TrumpetDude

Brees will be gone. He will be traded by Week 6 so the next 4 games really do not matter much in the sense of the media. What matters is what kind of deal we can get for Brees and how he performs which will dictate his trade value to a large degree to the rest of the league.

Trumpet,
As much as I hate to see it happen, I think you're right. I happen to be one of the minority who think Drew can be a winner. Give him consistent O-line play and some consistency at receiver and I think he'll be fine.

However, Rivers and his contract aren't going away, which means Drew will be. I hope that the Bolts start winning....if they end up being 4-2 or 5-1, how can the front office rationalize trading the starting QB so that Rivers can start. But if we go on a bad skid here, be sure that Rivers will be in there by midseason and Drew will be someplace else (Miami perhaps?)

[TrumpetDude]

Originally posted by: CoopDeVille
For some odd reason I feel that the next two games are huge for Drews tenure as the starting QB. I think if he does poorly and keeps forcing plays we will have a QB controversy, which I do not agree with, but the media is lit up all over the place questioning Rivers sitting on the bench. The media is lurking in the dark waiting to create a QB controversey in San Diego. We don't need anymore drama! Sometimes the media plays a HUGE role in coaching decisions, especially over the last 5 years. They can definately do more harm than good at times......just like filming our troops, LIVE, landing on the beach in Iraq.......might as well paint a target......and thats what I think they will do to us in the near future....let's just hope I'm wrong and Brees has a good Sunday!!

Brees is going to have a HUGE game vs. Denver and finally we will shake the "we never win in Denver" syndrome!!

275+ yards

3 TD's

....and more impotantly, no more second guessing our starting QB!!

Brees will be gone. He will be traded by Week 6 so the next 4 games really do not matter much in the sense of the media. What matters is what kind of deal we can get for Brees and how he performs which will dictate his trade value to a large degree to the rest of the league. i/expressions/SDG_Bolt.gif

[geekster]

Best way for any QB to handle the media is to complete passes and not screw up. Drew is in a situation where an INT is considered a blessed CRISIS - yet his stats are better than most starting QBs in the league. Biggest measuring stick used by the media is still TDs v/s INTs - and moving into a positive ratio "should" shut them up. I don't count the so called "sports writers" for the Trib nor the LA Times as part of that "media" group. That would be too kind for them.

[rrogers]

I don't think the stats are a big deal for him to remain the starting QB and I could care less what the media says. The big thing for Brees is to not make mistakes and of course the bolts have to win. If Brees does not turn the ball over and puts up fair numbers he could hand the ball off to LT 30-40 and he will remain the starting QB. If the bolts loss it really doesn't matter what his number are the back office is looking for any reason to play the "Money Boy". Brees does have to hit his recievers though, with the donkeys defense if you can't prove the pass they will not let you run and even though LT is the best back in the NFL if you put 8 men in the box it will be very hard to run on anyone.

[CoopDeVille]

For some odd reason I feel that the next two games are huge for Drews tenure as the starting QB. I think if he does poorly and keeps forcing plays we will have a QB controversy, which I do not agree with, but the media is lit up all over the place questioning Rivers sitting on the bench. The media is lurking in the dark waiting to create a QB controversey in San Diego. We don't need anymore drama! Sometimes the media plays a HUGE role in coaching decisions, especially over the last 5 years. They can definately do more harm than good at times......just like filming our troops, LIVE, landing on the beach in Iraq.......might as well paint a target......and thats what I think they will do to us in the near future....let's just hope I'm wrong and Brees has a good Sunday!!


Brees is going to have a HUGE game vs. Denver and finally we will shake the "we never win in Denver" syndrome!!


275+ yards
3 TD's
....and more impotantly, no more second guessing our starting QB!!

[foty89]

THE team does not begin and end with the QB, it also apears you are every bit as bias against Brees as his supporters are in his favor. Anyone who thinks this is a fine ol or a fine group of wr lacks good judgement in my opinion.[/quote]

Well, no I am not as bias against him as his supporters are towards him. If you look solely at what he does, his reads, his accuracy and his decisions, you see that he has not progressed since the first year he was the starter. Yes, the rest of the team has been in a constant state of flux, and he has not had the greatest talent around him, but he has also not improved regardless of those around him. While I would not expect miracles with last years line and receivers, I would have expected at least some growth on his part. I did not see that.

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[toalsonj7]

Originally posted by: madpropsmike
As a Purdue grad, I personally hope Drew leaves the chargers and that sorry excuse for a coach. Marty is just , plain and simple. No one on this earth could convince me that Drew doesn't have what it takes to win in the NFL. I've SEEN MIRACLES that he has worked time and time again. He is a winner, and has won at every level...and will win in the NFL. I HOPE he goes to the Radiers and PUTS it to the Chargers twice a year for ten years. Charger fans will be lucky if LT and Brees/Rivers all survive the year with that pathetic O-line. Face it, your team isn't very good and it's not the quarterback that is the problem.
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I agree 100%. I too am a Purdue grad., and have seen Drew be way too successful when he can get into a throwing rhythm. Think about it like this: when you have your coach in your ear all the time about turnovers, it takes the instinctual part out of your game. In other words, Drew is thinking too much and probably gripping the ball way to tight in fear of making a mistake. Turnovers are part of the game, especially when you have the ball in your hands on every play; in addition to there being a huge learning curve when you get into the nfl (unfortunately more than 30 games). Both Favre and Manning have had problems with interceptions, but they always had their coach believe in them. Unfortunately, this is the worst case scenario for both Drew and Marty. Drew will strive in a west coast offense that consist of short passes and play action passes. When Drew gets traded, you will see what he is capable of.
How was my grammar?

[RMANCIL]

Originally posted by: foty89

Originally posted by: Dstorm2004


Originally posted by: Ducati



Hard to argue with you when this team hasn't had a solid O-line or WR corps in years.







uh even more nonsense...









The oline looks good this year AND we have had good receivers for Brees entire career at the chargers. Conway is an excelennt receiver as was Dwight his first 2 years here. Last year David Boston was Fine and had a ton of catches wehen Flutie was in and never saw the ball when Brees was in.







You guys forget that the online was FINE the year we went 8-8 for most of the season. Even with people comming in and out. You also forget that Brees started throwing Picks the last half of the season and making bad reads and throws and has continued through all of last year until now.



Very good point, it illustrates the big problem that Brees has, he does not read defenses well. Give him a simple vanilla defense, such as those in the preseason, and he does fine. Then comes the regular season and the more complicated defenses and the turnovers come. His only real success was when he was a new starter and saw vanilla defenses during the regular season because the other teams did not know how to game plan for him yet.



Go Bolts!



THE team does not begin and end with the QB, it also apears you are every bit as bias against Brees as his supporters are in his favor. Anyone who thinks this is a fine ol or a fine group of wr lacks good judgement in my opinion.

[forsberg2155]

I'll keep on posting no worries here!

[foty89]

Originally posted by: Dstorm2004

Originally posted by: Ducati

Hard to argue with you when this team hasn't had a solid O-line or WR corps in years.



uh even more nonsense...



The oline looks good this year AND we have had good receivers for Brees entire career at the chargers. Conway is an excelennt receiver as was Dwight his first 2 years here. Last year David Boston was Fine and had a ton of catches wehen Flutie was in and never saw the ball when Brees was in.



You guys forget that the online was FINE the year we went 8-8 for most of the season. Even with people comming in and out. You also forget that Brees started throwing Picks the last half of the season and making bad reads and throws and has continued through all of last year until now.

Very good point, it illustrates the big problem that Brees has, he does not read defenses well. Give him a simple vanilla defense, such as those in the preseason, and he does fine. Then comes the regular season and the more complicated defenses and the turnovers come. His only real success was when he was a new starter and saw vanilla defenses during the regular season because the other teams did not know how to game plan for him yet.

Go Bolts!
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[Dstorm2004]

Originally posted by: Ducati
Hard to argue with you when this team hasn't had a solid O-line or WR corps in years.

uh even more nonsense...

The oline looks good this year AND we have had good receivers for Brees entire career at the chargers. Conway is an excelennt receiver as was Dwight his first 2 years here. Last year David Boston was Fine and had a ton of catches wehen Flutie was in and never saw the ball when Brees was in.

You guys forget that the online was FINE the year we went 8-8 for most of the season. Even with people comming in and out. You also forget that Brees started throwing Picks the last half of the season and making bad reads and throws and has continued through all of last year until now.

[Dstorm2004]

Originally posted by: madpropsmike
As a Purdue grad, I personally hope Drew leaves the chargers and that sorry excuse for a coach. Marty is just , plain and simple. No one on this earth could convince me that Drew doesn't have what it takes to win in the NFL. I've SEEN MIRACLES that he has worked time and time again. He is a winner, and has won at every level...and will win in the NFL. I HOPE he goes to the Radiers and PUTS it to the Chargers twice a year for ten years. Charger fans will be lucky if LT and Brees/Rivers all survive the year with that pathetic O-line. Face it, your team isn't very good and it's not the quarterback that is the problem.

Uh nonsense.. the Oline looks good this year.

[Chargeroo]

Originally posted by: forsberg2155
Hey chargeroo,



Forsberg stands for the best hockey player in the nhl!!

21 Stands for the best Running Back in the NFL LT

55 Stands for MR. Seau Thanks for the explanation on your name. I often wonder how some of these names come about. Hey, cool choice for a name. I don't know about the NHL player, but I'll take your word. Hockey is just not my game.

I'll also add regarding the spelling, don't let that comment keep you from posting. We're glad you care about our Chargers. Keep on posting.

[forsberg2155]

Hey foty89

Yea forty it was bad I was typing this from work and was in a rush but slow down and read it because it is the tooth oh sorry my bad the truth!!

[forsberg2155]

Hey chargeroo,

Forsberg stands for the best hockey player in the nhl!!
21 Stands for the best Running Back in the NFL LT
55 Stands for MR. Seau

[foty89]

Originally posted by: madpropsmike
To all those Purdue bashers out there...lol...atleast I didn't go to community college!! Besides, that's why they invented Word. That's a little nit-picky don't you think? Get your heads out of the clouds and stop trying to trash my rep...lol...it's a tough crowd. It's obvious that you've all been watching too many Swift boat ads. I'm not running for office, just explaining why the Chargers should have drafted Gallery. Jeez.

Could you for a moment, forget the fact that you are a Brees supporter? Look at the situation from the standpoint of a Chargers fan. Gallery is indeed a talent and would have an impact on any team. I am sure that L.T. would have loved to run behind him. However, with the problems that Brees has had, it is hard to say if he will make it in the NFL. I hope that he does, but I have my doubts. He did not show any growth last year and despite all his off season efforts this year, he has not been that much better. Considering this, it seems reasonable that the Chargers picked Rivers.

Go Bolts!
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[madpropsmike]

To all those Purdue bashers out there...lol...atleast I didn't go to community college!! Besides, that's why they invented Word. That's a little nit-picky don't you think? Get your heads out of the clouds and stop trying to trash my rep...lol...it's a tough crowd. It's obvious that you've all been watching too many Swift boat ads. I'm not running for office, just explaining why the Chargers should have drafted Gallery. Jeez.

[TrumpetDude]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
Rude and nasty is my job.

I would hate to be in the pen getting ready for some of that rude and nasty treatment. Do the bulls moo in a higher voice after castration ? i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[foty89]

Wow, I have often seen Flutie backers post things that just did not make much sense, but I think some of these Brees backers are even more out there.

Granted that the team as a whole was bad last week, but Brees was terrible.

I like Drew, he seems like a real nice guy with the desire and heart to win. The skills just don’t seem to be there.

As I have posted before, he did well at only one point in his career. That was when he was a new starter and opposing teams did not know how to game plan for him. Once he had played half the season, they had figured him out and things have never been the same.

You can say all you want about the system, the coaching and the players, but his abilities have to be considered too. Is it possible he could do well somewhere else? I hope so for him, but I just don’t think he has it as a NFL starter. I love to admit that I was wrong.

And I think that this opinion is held by others in the NFL. You will notice that there has been no rush of teams looking to trade for him. Even the Atlanta thing was for him to be a backup. The great preseason he had did nothing to improve his stock.

I’d love to see him become a Pro Bowler, I just don’t see it happening.

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[foty89]

Originally posted by: Shamrock

Originally posted by: Boltdiehard

Do all Purdue Grads have to have their posts edited by a moderator? Just curious.





Only for spelling and grammar errors .....

I think that most of the posters mentioning Purdue said they were fans, not grads. This is an important distinction as it could explain their grammar and spelling issues.

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[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: Boltdiehard
Do all Purdue Grads have to have their posts edited by a moderator? Just curious.


Only for spelling and grammar errors .....

[Shamrock]

Rude and nasty is my job.

[foty89]

As bad as the play calling might be, reading your post on it was worse. In the future, could you use spell check, or grammar check or something? I am not trying to be rude or nasty, but it was so hard to read the post, that any impact it was meant to have was lost in the effort.

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[Chargeroo]

You see that guy called forsberg2155. He must come form a very big family, #2155, Wow. I guess his kid sister is 2156. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Chargeroo]

Originally posted by: coryhartford



I want to comment also on the statements yu provided earlier in the post, and I will, but not right now. Have to take out the garbage . Stay tuned.
Glad you mentioned this - see you later!

[coryhartford]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo




I'm sure when that happens all of you that have spent the past two years saying Brees stinks will show to say you were wrong, won't you?




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Absolutley. Mark it down. I would be happy to admit that I was wrong if/when that time comes. IMHO, (Provided we are not talking about the CFL or Arena football) he won't.

I want to comment also on the statements yu provided earlier in the post, and I will, but not right now. Have to take out the garbage i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif. Stay tuned.

[qgaudry]

yeah i also hope brees leaves. He's just awful. Absolutely awful. Coach S. should also be canned.

[Boltdiehard]

Do all Purdue Grads have to have their posts edited by a moderator? Just curious.

[Chargeroo]

coryhartford I agree with much of what you said and I was certain someone would bring up the average yards per pass when I posted that. However, don't you really have to take the other things into consideration? Do you think Brees has had the same kind of time to stand in the pocket that Manning gets? Do you think the Chargers receivers are as good as Manning's? What about time of possession, have the Chargers defense been coming up with a bunch of three and out situations to get the ball back to the offense? How about the play calling? How many deep passes have been called for Brees?

I look at how much Plummer improved when he changed teams and I believe the same thing will be true with Brees when he changes teams. I'm sure when that happens all of you that have spent the past two years saying Brees stinks will show to say you were wrong, won't you? i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

They call it a team for a reason. It's not all about the QB.

[talbitz54]

2004 you come back on a post, a slant, a cross, a buttonhook, a fly, or a drag. Your job, NO, YOUR DESIRE as a receiver is to want to catch the ball. If you have to dive you dive, if you have to jump, you jump. You do what you have to do to make a catch. It's not about who is right or who is wrong.

Does LT just run to darkness (a hole that isn't a hole in the line) NO he adjust by what he sees and freakin let's his ability take over.

Good teams make adjustments at halftime, or when they are able to see they need to adjust, right? Well, players are no different.

[HeadTrip]

Yeah i personally think he blows to. I dont give a crap if we are 5th in scoring ect... that stat is scewed and will balence itself ou at the end of the season. Cam hasnt dont a thing since he has been here.

[forsberg2155]

I am from denver colorado and been a charger fan since the 70's and watch them twice a year in san diego and go to invesco when they come here. Cam Cameron is the worst off cordinator I have ever seen
every time they come to denver i let him know about it because My friends seats are two rows from were the chargers come out. Every one blames the qb how about our gm our off cord or how about our defense!!! When you watch sunday's game the chargers will be in I-formation 90% of the game with one or two wide. Its plain and simple you game plan to confuse the opponets not run the same formations every play. So cam pack your bags and take your what you call a playbook and take it back to college or more less high school because when you were with the big ten your offence was horriable there to. Oh yea one more thing if you do not give drew any options in the offence he is going to fail so when they come to denver cam attack them with three wide there def is overrated!!!! mix it up mix it up do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth cam, and also Marty put on the damn coaches head phones and over ride some of his plays or call them yourself uh!!!

[coryhartford]

[quote]
Originally posted by: Chargeroo




Several have said how highly inaccurate Brees is but he has completed 60 percent of his passes, just for reference Payton Manning (always talked about as highly accurate has completed 62.9% - that not too much different, especially when you recall the WR's that Brees has been working with. He certainly was inaccurate in the first half of the jets game but that's one half of one game.



q]

I don't think that percentages always give the whole story. For example, if I throw 10 passes and complete six, I have thrown for 60 percent. If all 6 of my passes go for 3 yards the 60% doesn't really tell the whole tell as to my value at the QB position. Lets take a look at Drew's 2003 numbers

Completion Percentage- 59.4
Yard per Attempt-5.9
TD-11
Int-15

Now Peyton's

Completion Percentage- 67
Yard per Attempt-7.5
TD-29
INT-10

Ok so lets say Drewphus just had a bad year. Lets look at the three year averages

Completion Percentage- 59.4
Yard per Attempt-6.2
TD-10
INT-10

And Manning's

Completion Percentage- 65.3
Yard per Attempt-7.4
TD-29
INT-10



I guess my point is that comparing the 2 percentages of the two players doesn't tell the whole accuracy story.
I question the value and improvement at the position. The quality of the throws and the choices he has made are more important and over three years his choices and the plays associated with thim have not been quality; smaller yardage gains, fewer TD's. Clearly the value isn't there. The improvement I think is subjective, and again, IMO he hasn't improved either. I do understand your point though. Comparing the two at all at this point is pretty much a wash. Manning is of course an all-pro and has Harrison and Wayne. The reason I have rang in on this subject as often and as fervently as I have is that last year the change in the team when Flutie came in was tremendous. I felt like we had a chance to win every game he started, granted we didn't, but the offense just didn't appear to be as impotent. The same kind of impotence we saw last Sunday. I just don't want the same thing to happen this year. I know I could type here until my head explodes, and not a thing will change. But its nice to have the arena.
Being couped up in Illinois all of the season last year and feeling like I was alone as a Charger fan, I built up a lot of opinions and frustration, and now that I have found this forum I'm kind of doing a year long dump all at once. Whether we agree on Drewphus or not, I appreciate this vehicle to be able to communicate my thoughts concerning our team.

[madpropsmike]

Optout: This is your quote:

Roberta Gallery is a good young tackle. Obviously the Chargers were looking elsewhere for real needs that need to be addressed. Brees blew the last 3 years with overthrows, fumbles, interceptions oh like last weeks game against the Jets. That brought back memories of last year for sure.

What real needs could you possibly be looking at?? Have you watched the Chargers last year and the first two games of this year? Robert Gallery is not a "good young tackle". He is THE BEST O-LINEMAN tcome into the league in FOREVER. How could you NOT take this guy? This alone tells me that you don't have a clue about football. When you have a guy like that available, you take him. THEN if you want to address the QB situation, you release/trade Brees and sign a free agent. You don't KEEP drafting unproven QBs and give them the team. You address the line because you have the BEST running back in the league...on the planet for that matter. Imagine LT running off left tackle with Robert Gallery pancaking the DE AND LB. All you do by drafting Phillip Rivers is put him in the position to fail. Rivers IS NOT going to make this team any better.

To win in football, at ANY level, you need to have three things:

1. An offense that can utilize ball control so the defense isn't on the field for 40 mins a game. You get this by having a balanced attack. The O-LINE is the KEY to being able to do just that. You need to have receivers that don't CONTINUALLY GET JAMMED at the line so that they have TIME to find the holes in the zone. If the O-Line can't give the recievers enough time to find those holes, then Joe Montana can't get them the ball.

2. A defense that has fast linebackers and secondary, and a powerful D-Line to plug the run and produce an effective pass rush. The way NFL defenses opperate (watch one against the Chargers) is that they play zone. Thy cover the flat and the mid zone quickly because they know the pass rush will force opposing QBs to check down. If you stop the pass rush, you win. Why? Because you can't let guys run across the field and find zones and have the QB pick you apart. I.E. Chad Pennington last week.

3. The ability to control field postion. What does that mean? Punt teams. If your team is continually able to win the field positon battle, the game is over. Period. If an opposing team has an average starting field postion deep inside thier own territory, the lose. In the NFL, you simply CAN'T ask an offense to contiually drive the ball 80 yards. If you look at the Chargers last year and last week, they lost all phases of the game.

My point to you optout is this: There was a whole hell of a lot that Marty could have done to shore up this team. Instead, he chose to delay the fact that he's had years to rebuild and nothing is getting better. He's set you up with the classic: "We need a better QB......and then everything will be okay." Don't let the guy fool you. He's done a horrible job, and forced Brees to be the fall guy. This mess falls squarly on the shoulders of the COACH. PERIOD.

[vtchargers]

Originally posted by: crhawkeye069
Drew brees has a wimp of an arm and as soon as he is in The CFL he will do good and Rivers will make him look stupid

Rivers will make you look stupid,Just as Marty Tears Players AND fans apart.Brees is a solid QB and any other team In the NFL and coach would stand behind him!

[Chargeroo]

You guys are either a bunch of bull shippers or exaggerators, I don't know which. You say Brees will fumble 4 times a game - the guy has fumbled less than once every three games he has played. Flutie also has been called a fumbler but he has 36 fumbles in 65 starts. That's about one every other game. Get over it - neither of these guys are fumblers, but if either is, it's Flutie.

Several have said how highly inaccurate Brees is but he has completed 60 percent of his passes, just for reference Payton Manning (always talked about as highly accurate has completed 62.9% - that not too much different, especially when you recall the WR's that Brees has been working with. He certainly was inaccurate in the first half of the jets game but that's one half of one game.

I'm not saying Drew is all-pro, or even close, but he's a guy with 29 starts, that's less than two years and you guys want to banish him to the CFL. If every QB was sent off to the CFL when they weren't doing well in the NFL after 29 starts, only about two teams would have a QB in this league. Get a hold of yourselves, can't you see we've been changing QB's every year or two ever since Stan was forced into early retirement? I can expect this same reaction regarding Rivers in a year or two I suppose but this fan is tired of the changing of QB and the constant "rebuilding". I think it's fine to move Rivers into the lineup when he's ready but I think it's pointless to replace Brees with a 42 yr. old now or with Philip Rivers before he's had enough reps to be ready. I hope they stay the course with Brees until Rivers is ready. If Brees is having another lousy day like he had against the Jets, put in Flutie (before the game is out of control) but start Brees again the next time.

[optout]

Originally posted by: madpropsmike
Look at EVERY team, college or pro, that has a quarterback controversy...I.E. Cleveland last year, Miami this year...a quarterback has to be given the team to lead, not worry about getting pulled. That's exactly how QB's overthrow and shortarm passes...espeacially in the NFL...ALL of the focus has to be on the GAME and not the SIDELINES...and what about Doug Flutie? What kind of guy is he? LEARN TO HANG EM UP DOUG, cuz your days have passed. There is a certain way to be a TEAM player, and Doug Flutie hasn't mastered that art yet. Back to my point though...Charger fans better PRAY that Drew Brees doesn't go to a division rival...which I hope he does atleast as long as Marty is still around. The biggest mistake in NFL draft history was made this year, when the Chargers traded for Phillip Rivers. Mark my words, it will haunt them for years. Robert Gallery is the most explosive O-tackle since Orlando Pace. He will be a star for over a decade. And lets go back to Eli Manning...why would he refuse to play in a place like San Diego? San Diego is paradise on earth and he goes to NY? Maybe he wanted a commitment to winning, a commitment that Marty and the boys refuse to make. I feel sorry for Charger fans, and I REALLY feel sorry for LT...what a waste of talent. Remember too, that LT has stuck beside Brees the ENTIRE WAY...that has to tell you something.

Pffft.....You cant say that not one of these starting QB's in the NFL are not under pressure to perform. Every single one is. It's obvious about QB's, and being a San Diego Charger fan it should be real easy to tell which QB's have it and which ones don't. All teams that have issues at QB will have 2 or 3 mediocre QB's that could potentially take the position. Nature of the game, nature of the position. You either lead follow or GTF out of the way. Did Montana not have any pressure to do well in fear of Young? Did Young have any pressure to do well in fear of Garcia? and so on with Rattay? You G'damn right they did. You get paid all that money and 1 million plus people look to you to do well. YOU BETTER DO WELL.

About Flutie.....***? Where do you come off Telling us that Flutie is not a team player. If Flutie wanted to start, he would be starting. He took a backseat so he can help Brees come in and start. He has done everything to help Brees be the starting QB. Hate to say it but damn Flutie looked better then Brees marchin our Chargers down the field i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif Flutie is here for development of QB's more then anything. He knows he is not the starter nor does he want to start. But give him the ball and he will and not look back.

Roberta Gallery is a good young tackle. Obviously the Chargers were looking elsewhere for real needs that need to be addressed. Brees blew the last 3 years with overthrows, fumbles, interceptions oh like last weeks game against the Jets. That brought back memories of last year for sure.

I hope Brees does go to an AFC West team so we can pound the crap out of him and watch him fumble the football 4 times a game 2 times a year.

[pjrbat]

Drew brees is not accurate, is not poised, does not have size, lacks a quick release, is and has proven he is a liability on and near the goal line, He does not provide any running threat, he does not provide any pocket threat. He has had his chance to shine in this day and age in the NFL and if any one should be sitting on the bench to learn it should be him, He will not be ready for starting any time soon and everyone, including the voice inside you knows it.... He has made some improvements this year, granted, he will be capable of a few more good games during the course of the year but does not have what it takes to be succesful even halfway through a season, not to mention the end and the playoff run.... He would be a reliable back up however, with the ability to hold a team in stead for 3 weeks max, if he gets a lucky run, Perhaps in about 3 years he will have gained some abilities and he will further develop. It is undoubtebly obvious that all that Brees is not, Rivers is, He and you will see, He is accurate, He remains poised, He has size, He provides an untangeable in his pocket prescence, He has a quick release, He will not be a liability on the goal line or in short yardage situations, He is mentally smarter, He is a natural leader. He will need to develop this year but clearly the choice as this process happens, He will carry the year and the playoffs, Not to mention his durability.

[coryhartford]

The real kicker here is that Brees probably couldn't have moved the ball at all against the "soft defense". Unless perhaps he threw an interception, which would move the ball, just not the way we all would have liked to have seen it move.

[ontopofit]

Originally posted by: daftydoug
No Flutie is not a team player, he just plays well when the team has no other choice, all he did Sunday was come is cold and take the team down field to score. But then why would San Diego want to score and win? They did when Butler was the General Manager but now.......................

geez......the guys great he comes in and uses all the clock going 7 for 16 against a soft jet defense designed to give up yards.

[daftydoug]

No Flutie is not a team player, he just plays well when the team has no other choice, all he did Sunday was come is cold and take the team down field to score. But then why would San Diego want to score and win? They did when Butler was the General Manager but now.......................

[rule12b]

Well said Cory.

[coryhartford]

Sometimes I wonder if some of the people here actually watch the games; the whole game, and every game. Not just read the recap or the stat line; feel the energy of the game, note momentum shifts and reactions from players as the game proceeds. Last year Brees was handed the starting job and the team. It was his. He had no one on his back. And if you remeber folks, he peed it down his leg. Marty left him in longer than he should have, but even after Flutie had won some games for us, he put Brees back in to again bolster his confidence. Every Sunday i watched as the hopless train got farther and farther away from the station, and I tell you I felt that way again on Sunday. Even against the Texans Bress didn' t look "good". He was adequate; for one game. Teams adjust and pay attention to tendencies. Notice how Gates was shut down this week? But yet Breezo kept throwing to him. And his lovely act at the end when he got pulled? Wonderfull.
I also wish that eveyone complaining about poor Drew's psyche would get over it. He's not a toddler. He's a well paid athelete who has been given repeated (too many in my opinion) chances to perform. He hasn't. In addition he has performed horribly.
I hope he goes to the Raiders or another team. Provided there is some poor slob on another team (Al Davis? He qualifies!) that thinks its just the environment Breezo is in that causes him to suck. I can't think of an NFL team that would start Breezo right now. Not one! Anyone who has watched football for an extended period of time knows that Breezo is not the answer. The QB"s like Aikman and Elway lost in their first couple (or more) years but their was a feeling of improvement and competivness, even if they lost several games. People could feel that there was "something about these kids". Do you feel that way about Brees? I certainly don't. I literally feel sick when he is in the game; its like watching a handicapped dog trying to catch a frisby; your sad for him. I am sad for Breezo; but I am also a Charger fan. Let him go to NFL Europe or the CFL where he can work on his issues without dragging my team. down.

[Critter]

Originally posted by: madpropsmike
I'm glad to see that about 70% of the people agree with me...by the way, Drew Brees put up BIG numbers against BIG TIME teams in college. NC State? They play who? Fla. State? Rivers did put up big numbers against them, but then came out lame against teams like VIRGINIA? Brees passed for over 500 yards on numerous big time teams. He beat Michigan, and Ohio State. He single handedly PUT IT to Kansas State at the Alamo Bowl when K-State was ranked #4 in the nation...a team that currently has 7 NFL defenders today. Don't tell me that Drew Brees only put up big time numbers against Div Iaa teams. Purdue NEVER played a Div Iaa team when he was there. Look at EVERY team, college or pro, that has a quarterback controversy...I.E. Cleveland last year, Miami this year...a quarterback has to be given the team to lead, not worry about getting pulled. That's exactly how QB's overthrow and shortarm passes...espeacially in the NFL...ALL of the focus has to be on the GAME and not the SIDELINES...and what about Doug Flutie? What kind of guy is he? LEARN TO HANG EM UP DOUG, cuz your days have passed. There is a certain way to be a TEAM player, and Doug Flutie hasn't mastered that art yet. Back to my point though...Charger fans better PRAY that Drew Brees doesn't go to a division rival...which I hope he does atleast as long as Marty is still around. The biggest mistake in NFL draft history was made this year, when the Chargers traded for Phillip Rivers. Mark my words, it will haunt them for years. Robert Gallery is the most explosive O-tackle since Orlando Pace. He will be a star for over a decade. And lets go back to Eli Manning...why would he refuse to play in a place like San Diego? San Diego is paradise on earth and he goes to NY? Maybe he wanted a commitment to winning, a commitment that Marty and the boys refuse to make. I feel sorry for Charger fans, and I REALLY feel sorry for LT...what a waste of talent. Remember too, that LT has stuck beside Brees the ENTIRE WAY...that has to tell you something.

That's fantastic and I am glad your a Brees fan.

The problen here is that was college and this is the NFL.

Every player at every position plays at a high level.

For all the accolades that Brees gets for his college play he has been less than mediocre in one area in the NFL.

His accuracy is terrible. He misses wide open receivers on a constant basis. This cannot happen in the NFL. The window to complete passes is much smaller on this level compared to college.

The first half against the Jets was brutal. I know his receivers dropped some passes and that is not his fault. The fact is he had time to throw and missed badly on quite a few throws. This has been a constant problem since he became the starter.

He should be better in his fourth year and I don't see that happening on a consistant basis.

[madpropsmike]

I'm glad to see that about 70% of the people agree with me...by the way, Drew Brees put up BIG numbers against BIG TIME teams in college. NC State? They play who? Fla. State? Rivers did put up big numbers against them, but then came out lame against teams like VIRGINIA? Brees passed for over 500 yards on numerous big time teams. He beat Michigan, and Ohio State. He single handedly PUT IT to Kansas State at the Alamo Bowl when K-State was ranked #4 in the nation...a team that currently has 7 NFL defenders today. Don't tell me that Drew Brees only put up big time numbers against Div Iaa teams. Purdue NEVER played a Div Iaa team when he was there. Look at EVERY team, college or pro, that has a quarterback controversy...I.E. Cleveland last year, Miami this year...a quarterback has to be given the team to lead, not worry about getting pulled. That's exactly how QB's overthrow and shortarm passes...espeacially in the NFL...ALL of the focus has to be on the GAME and not the SIDELINES...and what about Doug Flutie? What kind of guy is he? LEARN TO HANG EM UP DOUG, cuz your days have passed. There is a certain way to be a TEAM player, and Doug Flutie hasn't mastered that art yet. Back to my point though...Charger fans better PRAY that Drew Brees doesn't go to a division rival...which I hope he does atleast as long as Marty is still around. The biggest mistake in NFL draft history was made this year, when the Chargers traded for Phillip Rivers. Mark my words, it will haunt them for years. Robert Gallery is the most explosive O-tackle since Orlando Pace. He will be a star for over a decade. And lets go back to Eli Manning...why would he refuse to play in a place like San Diego? San Diego is paradise on earth and he goes to NY? Maybe he wanted a commitment to winning, a commitment that Marty and the boys refuse to make. I feel sorry for Charger fans, and I REALLY feel sorry for LT...what a waste of talent. Remember too, that LT has stuck beside Brees the ENTIRE WAY...that has to tell you something.

[Chargeroo]

Originally posted by: tdishman
I too am a Purdue alum, and I think the critical mistake the Chargers made was not taking Gallery in the draft. Without an O-Line Rivers will struggle just as much as Brees has, mark it down. Drafting Gallery would have circumvented the whole Rivers vs. Manning debacle. Just as important as protecting the QB, Gallery also helps out LT in the running game, which is (as we all know) the true focus of the offense. How can anyone sit here and critique Brees' game when most of last year was spent running for his life before he could plant his back foot on a 3-step drop?

That was last year. This years o-line is better than last years. They aren't great but they did give Drew the time to throw deep on several occasions. The problem is he kept overthrowing them. I like Drew and I hope he becomes a great NFL QB but he was off target in the entire first half. His very first pass in the game he missed an open receiver that could have resulted in a TD with a good pass. He had a nice game in Houston, but a bad game this week. I think it's crazy though, the way people are ready to give up on him because of a bad game. The same is true of the HC and the team in general. Gees, we're 1-1 and if you read through this forum you'd think we were 0 -12. Like the Coach says - one game at a time!

[tdishman]

I too am a Purdue alum, and I think the critical mistake the Chargers made was not taking Gallery in the draft. Without an O-Line Rivers will struggle just as much as Brees has, mark it down. Drafting Gallery would have circumvented the whole Rivers vs. Manning debacle. Just as important as protecting the QB, Gallery also helps out LT in the running game, which is (as we all know) the true focus of the offense. How can anyone sit here and critique Brees' game when most of last year was spent running for his life before he could plant his back foot on a 3-step drop?

[optout]

LOL, its funny that people act like they know exactly what is going on, on the field, in the locker room and in the front office.

Ontopofit. You make it sound like Brees was looking at his second and third options. He was looking at Gates most of the time with Gates in triple coverage and instead of looking for his second he waits for Gates thinking he is gonna get open. Drew has to got to mix up his game. He should of expected more coverage on Gates and not bother look for him til late in the game. And yesteryear has come back to haunt us with overthrows. Christ I can't remember when Ive seen more overthrows in a 3 year span then this guy.

Drew should take the blame. It was his fault. Look at pass yardage at the end of the first half. That alone should be enough.

[Psquared]

Of course he's going to call run plays. How can you have faith in your qb after such a terrible first half?

[ontopofit]

obviously you're aren't talking about the same pass play and I will not waste more space trying to explain something to you. I have gave up on you. You are only a lamb incapable of independent thinking so my posts are obviously not for you.

[20BUSH04]

Dude. Give up protecting your boy. He's pathetic. You come back on a hook route, not a fly route and when you've turned around and the ball is short your first thought is ***??? Hit the receiver in stride like you should and the result is a win yesterday.

[ontopofit]

Quarterback carousel

Bad decisions have caught up with talent-poor Chargers

cnn/si headline for 1998

So, I guess you guys will keep blaming the qb instead of addressing all the other problems in the organization and skill positions.

[20BUSH04]

Question:

You're running your route. How can you refuse to come back? Some mental telepathy to Brees... FU jobu....I not coming back to you. I'm wide open out here jobu, get a flippin arm!

[ontopofit]

20BUSH04 how do you refuse to come back to the ball??? when u stop and turn and look at the ball and just stand there as the defender behind you steps in front goes to the ball and catches it you have refused to come back to the ball. OMG yeah receivers make plays on balls in the pros!!! Wow, what a concept. Could you just imagine what would happen if the chargers had someone who could make a play on the receiving cor.

Chargers2112 you show your true colors when u say what a stand up guy for taking the blame. He said it was 100% his fault and who is everyone else besides the one announcer who said that. You are another anti Drew and everything is his fault when u don't even believe it when another player says its their fault. You guys really need to take what u got into perspective and quite blaming the qb. Or else u can just keep blaming drew and then the next qb and then the next and nothing that needs to get done will ever happen.

[Chargers2112]

Yeah, that center is a class act, taking the blame for that one. Everyone else seems to agree that Brees pulled out a little to quickly on that one. The receiver refused to COME BACK for the ball...meaning the ball was thrown behind him!

[20BUSH04]

I hope he leaves too.

Nothing worse than a QB who hangs his receivers out to dry in overthrows and underthrows like there's no tomorrow. What works in College doesn't always work in the NFL. Especially if your a short QB.

Brees had all the time in the world yesterday and still couldn't get it done.

Quit making excuses. He's not an NFL QB. Plain and simple.

[ontopofit]

By the way chargers2112, the center took all the blame for the bad snap. Secondly, one interception the receiver refused to come back for the ball and just stood there and let the defense do it. One int. is what Brees is responsible for. Geez, give the guy a break.

[Chargers2112]

Nicely put. I absolutely agree that something needs to be done about the coaches, but still, best case scenerio on any other team...Brees is a backup.

[ontopofit]

Obviously you psquared are simply ignorant to all the problems the chargers have. I do watch the charger games and I am a Purdue fan. First of all, the leadership from the top down to the coaches are the worst I've every seen at any level. Why do you think manning wouldn't go play for the chargers? So, your genius coach cam is going to call run run and 3rd and long call a pass play in the first half. Wow, I bet thats hard for a pro team to figure out. Then they blitz on third you cant protect brees, your receivers dont break off their routes and look for the ball on the blitz and if it hits them in the hands half the time they drop it forget about one of them making a play on the ball by themselves. The only first down pass in the first half was when Brees changed the play at the line on the first play of the game and completed a 8 yard pass. I hate watching the chargers knowing the situation Brees is stuck in. Honestly, it disgusts me. They put Drew in horrible positions with their horrid play calling. How bad could the coaches be??? How about a play action pass/ boot leg something on first down or on a non obvious throwing down. I cant ever put in words how bad the coaching is at san diego. Once they get their heads out of their a$$ and make a couple of moves to shore up the o line and d line you might have a decent team. BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITH THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP NEVER!!!!

[crhawkeye069]

Drew brees has a wimp of an arm and as soon as he is in The CFL he will do good and Rivers will make him look stupid

[Chargers2112]

Granted, receivers did drop some key passes that were on target (surprise!) but Brees overthrew and badly missed several wide open receivers that could have resulted in big gains. I really want to get behind Drew because I don't have much confidence in any of our QBs as a starter at this point in time. But to have the inconsistancy that he has shown just between weeks one and two is unacceptable for a starter in the NFL. He has shown flashes of greatness but then comes back with horrible performances. 2 INTs and a fumbled snap!?!?! We will be the new "Bungles" as long as Drew Brees is our QB.

[Boltman29]

Though it's true that Drew had a couple balls sail high on him, his receivers were dropping balls left and right yesterday. AND they gave up on some routes that had they kept chuggin they could've got to. Drew always gets blamed for everything around here and that's simply not fair. He's no all-star yet, but he sure aint no Ryan Leaf either!!!

[Psquared]

You purdue fans are just fooling yourselves. This isn't college where brees is passing against a 1-aa school and playing in a system. How can you blame the receivers? They make him look good 80% of the time with their adjustments to his passes. You must also not be watching the game either because the oline is playing better. Quit reading the clippings and take off the "i love brees" glasses and watch the games. He will never be a successful starting qb and it sucks but that's the way the ball rolls.

[ontopofit]

Defense + Special Teams=Miama(0-2)

[MaNiAc]

There is only two things you need to win football games.

1.) Defense

2.) Special Teams

[ontopofit]

I agree 100%. No qb would want to play for this team in their right mind. They run and only pass on obvious passing downs and put brees in bad positions. Of course when they get way behind they let him pass a little more. Then when he brings them back they bench him. He has terrible receivers a bad o line 1 awesome rb and a horrible coach. Brees do yourself a favor and refuse to play another down for this team EVERYONE will understand.

[dgjock]

He will. Either traded or walk away. He's a goner when the Chargers drafted Rivers

[Tomlinson21]

Players play....coaches coach. Plain and simple.

[Ducati]

Hard to argue with you when this team hasn't had a solid O-line or WR corps in years.

[madpropsmike]

As a Purdue grad, I personally hope Drew leaves the chargers and that sorry excuse for a coach. Marty is just , plain and simple. No one on this earth could convince me that Drew doesn't have what it takes to win in the NFL. I've SEEN MIRACLES that he has worked time and time again. He is a winner, and has won at every level...and will win in the NFL. I HOPE he goes to the Radiers and PUTS it to the Chargers twice a year for ten years. Charger fans will be lucky if LT and Brees/Rivers all survive the year with that pathetic O-line. Face it, your team isn't very good and it's not the quarterback that is the problem.

[1960BoltFan]

Drew Brees reminds me of the old nursery rhyme.
There was a little QB who had a little curl,
Right in the middle of his forehead,
And when he was good,
He was very, very good,
And when he was bad,
He was horrid!i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[foty89]

Originally posted by: IronMountain

Originally posted by: kiwibolt

If Trent Dilfer can win a superbowl, then we should be able to win games with Bree's.







We've got the most dominating RB in the league. If we had any kind of defense and an O-line that could block, we'd be in business.

I agree 100%, the only thing is Brees can't have 3 turnovers a game, and 7 over throws. Dilfer was pretty accurate, and didn't make alot of turnovers.

I agree, Dilfer is steady, but average. The problem with Brees is that he does not read coverages well and has poor accuracy much of the time. He is good maybe half the time. It is impossible to game plan when you don’t know which Drew is going to show up. Even if he was consistently bad, you would at least know how to plan.

Go Bolts!
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[IronMountain1960]

Originally posted by: kiwibolt
If Trent Dilfer can win a superbowl, then we should be able to win games with Bree's.



We've got the most dominating RB in the league. If we had any kind of defense and an O-line that could block, we'd be in business.
I agree 100%, the only thing is Brees can't have 3 turnovers a game, and 7 over throws. Dilfer was pretty accurate, and didn't make alot of turnovers.

[kiwibolt]

If Trent Dilfer can win a superbowl, then we should be able to win games with Bree's.

We've got the most dominating RB in the league. If we had any kind of defense and an O-line that could block, we'd be in business.

[robanalog]

do you think using a rollout would be better for him timewise? It's just that you see Plummer do it and McNabb etc etc...and it gives their receivers time. Oh I don't know. Drew is good at a 10-15 yard bullet if the WR is open or the dump-offs. His long balls where he tries to drop them in over the shoulder are horrible. His anticipation for where his receiver is going to be is also horrible. Is it his height because he can't see over the defense? The receivers being too fast or running bad routes or what?

[NWBoltFan]

Yes, Brees still ain't good. He was the scapegoat last year, but deservingly so. He's the single largest liability in the game for our offense. His playfakes were back to sucky this past week, something he did particularly well in Houston.

[IronMountain1960]

Originally posted by: talbitz54
SV



You are right man, I was at the game west end zone row, and there were 4 plays that made me sick.



1. The LT play you just described.



2. Jammer getting beat down the same sideline late in the game when all we needed was a stop.



3. Drew over threw Gates down the middle when he had 2 steps on his guy.



4. Was going towards the east end zone and was a little hard for me to see. I think it was Caldwell he overthrew. It sure seems the over throw is killing the bolts.



Drew has guts, is a good guy on and off the field, great college player, and kind of reminds me a bit of Favre with his early career in accuracy. Favre was a total loose cannon, running, bad, and I mean bad decisions with the ball, and plenty of INT's.



Maybe we have to give Drew more time to evolve? Farve turned out ok don't you think???

On #4, it was Caldwell on the first drive, he was wide open and the instant Drew threw the ball I knew it was uncatchable, the ball was thrown 10 yds over Reche's head and Reche hit his jets and almost made a great catch. The problem is it would have been a sure TD, and we lost by 6 points, Brees is one of the most inaccurate passers I think I have ever seen. When Brees is on, he is good, but when hes off, which is about 40% of his starts he can't hit the broad side of a barn.

[Doc!]

I will say if Brees isn't 100% then I would like Rivers to start. Flutie drives me nuts. I prefer him as a backup. I will refer to last week and the worst 2 minute drill I have ever seen!

[WHITELIGHTNING]

I believe when jammer was beat deep it was due to no safety help, The safety blitzed leaving Jammer on his own. Tell me which guy do you cover, at that point he is in zone and all alone. The blitz has to work or you see the results, however Jammer made a hell of a play to even be that close.

[TrumpetDude]

I have defended Brees till the cows come home and went to Houston and saw many of the same UGLY passes and open receivers we saw here in San Diego. I have seen both games in person and have somewhat a unique perspective but not to imply I have divine insight.

The comparison to Favre is a reach. The arm strength differential is no comparison. Drew is a warrior and I dig his moxie BUT ..... the inconsistency and inability to read and react quickly is maddening. Brees may indeed become a late bloomer or better suited to a West Coast offense - I do not know and really at this point, I am ready to see Rivers in action due to Brees' concussion, if for any other sane reason. i/expressions/SDG_Bolt.gif

[GoldPlatedNails]

Originally posted by: talbitz54
SV

1. The LT play you just described.


3. Drew over threw Gates down the middle when he had 2 steps on his guy.



Those were the 2 that stuck out in mind as I walked out of the stadium. The LT one was not the easiest pass in the world, but surely an NFL starting QB has to complete it. As for the overthrow of Gates on that seam route, well that was plain awful, just awful. He gave away that TD and the score would have been 7-7 at that time if he could have thrown a good pass. At that moment my buddy looked at me and asked if Rivers could have completed it...

[talbitz54]

SV

You are right man, I was at the game west end zone row, and there were 4 plays that made me sick.

1. The LT play you just described.

2. Jammer getting beat down the same sideline late in the game when all we needed was a stop.

3. Drew over threw Gates down the middle when he had 2 steps on his guy.

4. Was going towards the east end zone and was a little hard for me to see. I think it was Caldwell he overthrew. It sure seems the over throw is killing the bolts.

Drew has guts, is a good guy on and off the field, great college player, and kind of reminds me a bit of Favre with his early career in accuracy. Favre was a total loose cannon, running, bad, and I mean bad decisions with the ball, and plenty of INT's.

Maybe we have to give Drew more time to evolve? Farve turned out ok don't you think???

[svbigdaddy]

I loved the guy in college, have pulled for him in the pros and still think he has some potential. HOWEVER, He is quickly becoming the 21st Century version of Jim Harbaugh. I have been a season ticket holder for 15 years through ups and downs and have pretty much seen the whole Spanos era. What disturbs me most is that when opportunities for big downfield plays open up for him, his accuracy completely fails him. I saw alot of that with ol Jimbo too. If you were there Sunday, you might have saw LT go in motion to the wideout spot, the Jets were in man coverage with a LB 1on1 on him, with NO safety over the top. I was drooling from my seat. LT blew by him, a simple toss would have scored in a heartbeat and Drew threw it so far behind him to the wrong side the ball went out of bounds. That is just one example. Don't even get me started on his true "deep ball". Numerous times throughout his career I have seen recievers running in open space waving their hands while he either missfired or checked down. You have to take advantage of big plays when they arise, hell...I would take connecting on 50%...he is not even close. Can he fix this?...maybe. If he can, we can be dominant on offense with our outstanding running game. If he doesn't, and QUICK...the season is over.

[utahcharger]

Originally posted by: foty89
First of all, the Chargers are not the most talented team in the league, that said it is only a short stone’s throw between them and a Super Bowl caliber team. The NFL is simply that completive in the era of the salary cap.



Our wide receivers are not great as a whole nor as individuals. However, they are serviceable as a unit. This is exactly the same as the Patriots.



The big difference is in quarterback consistency and ability. Brady is a steady, accurate and anticipating quarterback. He reads defenses well and makes good decisions. He is not the most physically gifted quarterback there is, but he uses his skills to best effect.



This is the biggest reason why the Patriot’s passing game works and our does not. Drew is a nice guy, but he is inconsistent and does not read defenses well. This leads to poor mistakes and turnovers. His inaccuracy just adds to the problems.



I think that he has sufficient size and arm strength to play in the league, but his poor reads and inaccuracy are the killers. Can these be worked out, I don’t know. You would hope that he would have shown progress last year over the year before. Many say that team was bad as a whole, but if you isolate Brees and what he did, he shows no improvement at all. His reads did not get any better and his accuracy, even when not rushed was not good.



With L.T, we need only a quarterback who is accurate and consistent with decent reads. Brees has not met that need.



Go Bolts!



While at some level I agree but you left out the key differences in the two teams in my view. Superior coaching and a superior OLine. Brady went all the way thru the playoffs to the SB WITHOUT A SACK!

[Dstorm2004]

No i agree with you guys. The receivers do drop the ball. However.. The receivers are flatly asked to much if you ask me. if you are CON?STANTLY having to adjust your route or constantly be thinking about how are you going to get the ball this time..

What do you think is going to happen?

[foty89]

First of all, the Chargers are not the most talented team in the league, that said it is only a short stone’s throw between them and a Super Bowl caliber team. The NFL is simply that completive in the era of the salary cap.

Our wide receivers are not great as a whole nor as individuals. However, they are serviceable as a unit. This is exactly the same as the Patriots.

The big difference is in quarterback consistency and ability. Brady is a steady, accurate and anticipating quarterback. He reads defenses well and makes good decisions. He is not the most physically gifted quarterback there is, but he uses his skills to best effect.

This is the biggest reason why the Patriot’s passing game works and our does not. Drew is a nice guy, but he is inconsistent and does not read defenses well. This leads to poor mistakes and turnovers. His inaccuracy just adds to the problems.

I think that he has sufficient size and arm strength to play in the league, but his poor reads and inaccuracy are the killers. Can these be worked out, I don’t know. You would hope that he would have shown progress last year over the year before. Many say that team was bad as a whole, but if you isolate Brees and what he did, he shows no improvement at all. His reads did not get any better and his accuracy, even when not rushed was not good.

With L.T, we need only a quarterback who is accurate and consistent with decent reads. Brees has not met that need.

Go Bolts!
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[utahcharger]

Originally posted by: Dstorm2004

Originally posted by: dbh1960

Utah's post is one of the most lucid posts (at least among those pertaining to current Charger quarterbacks) I've read on this forum. Our offensive line is patchwork at best, the receiving corps is well below average and the coaching-well, there's been enough said about that on many other threads. Every good or great quarterback is only as good as the players around him. Where are Brees' Harrison, Rice, or Bruce? Or taking a page from our own past, his Jefferson, Winslow or Joiner? How good would Fouts have been without them, not to mention his terrific offensive line? He would have been the answer to another trivia question: Who was the Charger's quarterback after another failed experiment at the position: John Unitas? Uhhh...



Oh come on..



The Oline is playing well this year so far. So that is in nio way an excuse. Secondly our receivers simply need to get the ball THROWN to them on time. ON TIME and accurately. Get it? Not 1 yard short or 10 yeards to far. If you watch the games even the plays they do catch the ball its becuase they had to completely adjust, slow down or whatever to catch it.



ARe you guys that support Brees really that freaking Blind?

It is amazing how guys see the game differently. I see receivers dropping critical third down passes that Roo or I could have caught. I see an OLine that tho better is still weak in pass protection. I see a game plan that I am able to anticipate because it is so predictable. I see a young QB playing pretty well considering his inexperience and the aformentioned issues. Isee WR's not getting separation very often. I remember JJ catching a ball up over and behind him with one hand...does that mean Fouts was inaccurate?

Am I blind? Maybe. But the fact is we don't know if Brees can develop, we can't compare a two-three year starter to Fouts or Bradshaw no matter how smart you may think you are. I know that there is NO chance Brees will remain the starter once Rivers is deemed ready, and it's not because I KNOW that Rivers is better but in the salary cap NFL the number one guy get's to start almost regardless.

I see the game as it is and that is to say with all the crap around him I am amazed at just how well Brees is playing. We are not a very good team. We have stunk the last few years and an 8-8 season tho I hope for better would be a major improvement, that's how I view the potential, with my head not my heart. Whether you like it or not there are almost NO hall of fame QBs that didnt have a great line and great receivers to work with. Marino with Duper and Clayton and a great line was amazing, as he lost them his production tailed an aweful lot. Fouts the same.

Finally, no matter how poorly Brees may play I wouldn't throw Rivers to the wolves yet with this team and ruin his psyche. Money or not the worst thing for Rivers would be to have to start this year. IMO

[dbh1960]

Well Dstorm, I may be blind, but I haven't forgotten how many balls have been dropped by our fantastic receivers. Or how many times those receivers haven't had the skills or experience to break off patterns and come back to the ball to help out a young quarterback. I haven't forgotten how many times Drew has thrown into single coverage and had his target give up on the ball or not fight for position. I haven't forgotten how many games I've watched in the past two years where the opponents' receivers seem to ALWAYS be wide open, and yet on our side of the ball there never seems to be much separation. So yeah, Dstorm, I may be blind-but I have a pretty good memory.

[flhayz]

Good call BoltzaQtion! Brees just hasn't done anything since arriving here. Time to the drop the ball on him and let Rivers start the learning curve. But Broncos isn't the game to start him. Put him in the 2nd half if we are getting our a$$ kicked. Then start him against Tenn.

[Dstorm2004]

Originally posted by: dbh1960
Utah's post is one of the most lucid posts (at least among those pertaining to current Charger quarterbacks) I've read on this forum. Our offensive line is patchwork at best, the receiving corps is well below average and the coaching-well, there's been enough said about that on many other threads. Every good or great quarterback is only as good as the players around him. Where are Brees' Harrison, Rice, or Bruce? Or taking a page from our own past, his Jefferson, Winslow or Joiner? How good would Fouts have been without them, not to mention his terrific offensive line? He would have been the answer to another trivia question: Who was the Charger's quarterback after another failed experiment at the position: John Unitas? Uhhh...

Oh come on..

The Oline is playing well this year so far. So that is in nio way an excuse. Secondly our receivers simply need to get the ball THROWN to them on time. ON TIME and accurately. Get it? Not 1 yard short or 10 yeards to far. If you watch the games even the plays they do catch the ball its becuase they had to completely adjust, slow down or whatever to catch it.

ARe you guys that support Brees really that freaking Blind?

[Dstorm2004]

Originally posted by: Bolts4Life21
It's sad for Brees, but that's exactly what's happening. He's just being groomed for a trade, and that's not even working that well. I'm a Brees fan, but that's what's happening. Since it isn't working out, Marty decides to use that as his excuse. Sorry Drew, you just didn't get the chance you should've.

Total Nonsense.. He got plenty of chances. All he has to do is not turn the ball over and make some accurate passes and a few TD's here and there.

Lets not forget that the QB on this team is not asked to Win games. He simply has to not LOSE them. This is LT's team his show. If we had even moderadly consisxtent play from Brees this team would go 8-8 every year LT starts.

If teams think your Passing game is a Joke becuase you cant read defenses or make good throws throughout a game then the Run will get Crushed and the Chargers are done. ITs that simple.

All this team needs is CLEAN play from the QB.. thats it. Brees delivers about 4 clean games in 16. You are not going to get anywhere like that.

[Dstorm2004]

Originally posted by: vtchargers
Drew Brees has a great passion for the Game and for his team.The Chargers haven't had that scense Stan in 94.Marty's plan dosen't include Brees.He just wants Reason to stay employed,and toss blame on Brees,switching QB's didn't help last year and wont help this year,I'm a Chargers fan I don't blame Brees ,Flutie,Rivers,or any other Player,I blame leadership,and that starts wiht MARTY!!

Please step away from the crack pipe...

[NWBoltFan]

Brees never was, and never will be in the caliber of Fouts, Elway, or even Bradshaw. He might be successful some day, but just isn't the man here. No matter how much he, the fans, or his teammates may want him to be. He simply doesn't have the makeup.

[dbh1960]

Utah's post is one of the most lucid posts (at least among those pertaining to current Charger quarterbacks) I've read on this forum. Our offensive line is patchwork at best, the receiving corps is well below average and the coaching-well, there's been enough said about that on many other threads. Every good or great quarterback is only as good as the players around him. Where are Brees' Harrison, Rice, or Bruce? Or taking a page from our own past, his Jefferson, Winslow or Joiner? How good would Fouts have been without them, not to mention his terrific offensive line? He would have been the answer to another trivia question: Who was the Charger's quarterback after another failed experiment at the position: John Unitas? Uhhh...

[toalsonj7]

I don't understand this whole,"the sky is falling mentality." The chargers are 1-1, and have yet to be beaten 1)badly 2)by a bad team, or 3) not shown progress from last year. In fact, I think san diego has improved in all facets, except for maybe wr play, and overall play calling. Granted, they still have tons of room to improve, but overall they seem to be a better team than last year. I don't know how realistic it ever was for some to predict a playoff appearance with a starting qb with 30 games under his belt, a young offensive line, and unproven wr's and defense. Therefore, I really hate to see all the emphasis being shifted on one particular player (brees); this is completely unwarranted. Everyone always wants to pin the blame on someone, and the qb is always the popular choice. I hope that you guys don't expect Rivers to be the savior after Drew's departure. Instead of reloading, you are replacing, and starting over. It takes time to recover from being one of the worst franchises in the nfl. How can you blame this whole debacle on one player with 30 games experience?

[utahcharger]

What shocks me more about this argument is that most great NFL QBs including Fouts, Elway, Bradshaw and so many others struggled for a few years (and that was back before complicated defensive schemes). Brees has actually shown tons more than many of these HOFs in his first 30 games as a starter.

That being said, Brees WILL be a casualty of the Salary Cap NFL in San Diego because we have to play Rivers due to his contract. Let's hope we are a better TEAM for him than we were for Brees or in 2-4 years we will be AGAIN drafting our QB of the future. Like someone said no QB looks good with an OLine that breaks down in protection constantly and a defense that can't stop anyone and a coaching staff that can't come up with a successful game plan and recievers that just aren't playmakers.

I ask how many 10 yard throws did Craig, Rice and Taylor turn into 70 yard TDs? Other than LT when was the last time one of ours did the same. A great Oline, great recievers, and great coaching make a great QB not the other way around. IMO

If I were GM I would let Rivers only see occational playing time this year. We are not the kind of team you want a rookie to start. Especially with no playmaking WRs and a pacthwork OLine. If we are 2-5 and out of it then go ahead. Let him play when the pressure is off. The division appears to be weak so play to win. Give Rivers some time to learn, he ain't ready right now pure and simple. I know Rivers is no Leaf but in my opinion when Leaf was put in as the starter in that rookie year we greatly aided his downfall.

[WHITELIGHTNING]

It has been 3 years since Brees joined the Chargers and he's about the same as he was in the begining. I guess Brees is living proof that sitting a QB for a year actually doesnt do him much good. Brees may flurish in a different system, more like what he ran while in school. I do know this, he lays the Charger receivers out to take some viscious hits, I can see why they drop some balls. Anyway you cut it Brees is gone, ownership has sent that message out loud and clear.

[BoltzaQtion]

Start Rivers but not in this game against the Broncs in Denver. They should start Rivers against Tennessee at home and stay with Rivers the rest of the year. The future is now, lets put the best players on the field. Rivers may make mistakes but he will also show his talents as well.

Brees has too many limitations. Rivers is the future and the future starts in San Diego against the Tennessee Titans.

[benjee68]

i agree with toalsonj and disagree with rivers2tomlinson wholeheartedly.

i back up brees but not before the chargers.

guess since brees played well in the first game and bad in the second that would make him 1-1.

on another note: what's the chargers record?


go boltz
go brees

and for the love of our beloved powdered blue uni's...FIX OUR DEFENSE!!!!

[Chargeroo]

I pretty much agree with you rule12b, except I'm remembering the way Denver has manhandled out o-line the last two years and I'd really hate to see Philip get his first start this week. Remember that Flutie (and he's more mobile) was really beaten up in Denver last year. I'd keep giving him reps and trying to get him ready in the Falcons game. I think that game will be a better opportunity for a start.

[Bolts4Life21]

It's sad for Brees, but that's exactly what's happening. He's just being groomed for a trade, and that's not even working that well. I'm a Brees fan, but that's what's happening. Since it isn't working out, Marty decides to use that as his excuse. Sorry Drew, you just didn't get the chance you should've.

[vtchargers]

Drew Brees has a great passion for the Game and for his team.The Chargers haven't had that scense Stan in 94.Marty's plan dosen't include Brees.He just wants Reason to stay employed,and toss blame on Brees,switching QB's didn't help last year and wont help this year,I'm a Chargers fan I don't blame Brees ,Flutie,Rivers,or any other Player,I blame leadership,and that starts wiht MARTY!!

[Rivers2Tomlinson]

see thats where brees fans from college and Rivers fans differ. Most of the brees fans just care about Brees and not the team, The Rivers' fans(Like myself) are actual Chargers fans and want them to win

[coryhartford]

Unfortunately that compe... (oops sorry); umm, that drive hasn't translated into the overall team competiveness. His performance has, IMO, hindered how well the Bolts can compete in the league. The basis for that statement is backed by the way the team reacts when Flutie is on the field; again I'm not a FlutieFlake (I do like watching him play though). The energy of the team is clearly increased when Drew leaves the field. Can Drew make it somwhere else? I would tend to say no, unless of course its NFL Europe or a backup role elswhere.

[toalsonj7]

Please don't say competitiveness.....Drew threw a touchdown with a concussion and Marty has made many statements that drew is among the most competitve he has known. I agree that Drew has not been impressive since he has been in san diego......there is no arguing that. I am claiming that given a different team (different play calling, a true possession receiver, and a defense that can hold a team under 34 points) that he can be successful. I know that I described a superbowl team, however I would take one of those factors. You have to admit that it has got to be difficult for a qb to get in any kind of rhythm when they throw so sporadically (19 times until the middle of the fourth quarter). Call it blind loyalty, however, given a new environment, Drew will be a good qb in this league. Besides Kosar, there have not been any notable qb's in Marty's system; it is not a qb friendly scheme. Lastly Cam Cameron is awful....I remember when he was at IU and they were the laughing stock of the Big Ten. He couldn't cut it at the college level, and can't cut it in the pro's. Just my opinions.

[coryhartford]

I just can't stand Drewphus. I want whatever gives the Chargers the bet chance at victory; and after having watched football for 27 years I can tell IMO that Breeso is not that guy. Someone in another post said if a sandwich could lead the bolts to victory he would be the biggest sandwich fan in the world. I think that sums it up for me as well. Drewphus had all of last year to show improvement and competiveness, and he hasn't shown it. Even in the Texans game he wasn't "good". I backed Drew thorugh the first half of the season last year, looking closley at his mistakes and looking hard for positves; After 8 games I literally couldn't find any. He has lost my support as a Chargers fan because he hasn't been able to earn it.

[toalsonj7]

Wow, you are an angry man...have you considered medication for your rage? So, what you are claiming is that you have never rooted for a player in the nfl because he went to the same college as you (if you went)? My comment on a previous post was simple....Brees' numbers worsened substantially when Conway left; I don't know how a comment like that makes me a family member of Drew, or even more ludicrous an old lover. Quite honestly, I can post when and where I want and about any topic I choose. You seem to feel pretty passionate about flutie, maybe you are the ex-lover.....I am confused about the difference in my posting about Drew and your posting about flutie. Do you really think that Doug could last a whole NFL season, with his age? I personally like Flutie, at this time, Drew is a much better qb. You must remember, at the end of the game, the jets were in a zone, probably a prevent, which makes those underneath passes alot easier to make.

[rule12b]

I think Flutie is a solid, servicable backup who frankly should replace B. Shotty at the end of the year. As much as I like Brees, it may well be time for him to ride the pine. Starting Flutie is however a waste of time IMO.

Start Rivers, he'll take some lumps, but he has skills and vision that may well produce results faster than people think. Even if not, then we find out about the kid while we still retain our rights to Brees, as opposed to AFTER he is gone. I have faith in the Rivers kid, he just needs to see some playing time. Even as a rookie, opposing coaches will respect his arm more than any of our other QB's and that will make things interesting for LT. . .

[coryhartford]

LOL. Well said.

[flutiemania]

This is really crazy, what the hell are Purdue fans doing online here anyhow? Are you Brees family members in congnito. Have you even watched the games or are you Bree's former lovers back in Purdue.

The reality is, Brees has not perfromed in 3 years of starting games, that is sufficient time for a player to Develop. What is more humorous is the fact that the best QBs in History have all entered this league and become stars in their 3rd year.

Granted that the SD Chargers have a piss-poor O-line, but what the hell is wrong with Brees legs. If Flutie can run around an make things happen so can Brees. Flutie just had surgery for PETE SAKE and he makes Brees look 42 Years old in comparison.

Purdue fans and NON CHARGER fans do not watch the games bcause they do not really care, and therefore they make bad judges of what reality is. How long is a guy like Brees supposed to get before he makes something happen, screw that lucky game against Houston....it won't happen again.

Keep your personally business or feelings out of the equation (SCREW PURDUE and their fans, this is the NFL), the final results are in Brees is terible, three years of evidence proves it (Chew on that).

And if these apparent Purdue fans are Bree family and/or Brees himself, do us a favor and ask for a trade so we can give the Young and Old Guys their day in the sun and end this torture.

By the way, SHOTTY sucks too.

JN

[TorontoCharger]

I think that Flutie should start for the rest of the year and let Rivers develop and learn from a true champion like Doug and not a money hole like Rob Johnso- i mean Drew Brees.

[coryhartford]

Here here! Now if only we could get Marty to read this.

[number1fan17]

Agreed.

[Chargers2112]

Originally posted by: psuedo
brees is not a good quarterback. period. he had all kinds of opportunities yesterday and squandered them. the completions he did make were still terrible passes(parker took a tremendous hit just to catch a ball that should of been thrown between the numbers). brees is now beyond help, he has crossed over into a head case, and its a shame because to a large degree it is inescapable with the surrounding receivers and line he has had but this year is different and for to him throw two pitiful interceptions and then fumble a snap on a crucial drive is just indicative of how beyond help he is. a bundle of nerves...jumpy...totally inconsistant.



if i were coaching this team right now, i would play rivers the whole year and trade brees for a lineman.



bye bye breeze



your gone





Enough Said.

[20BUSH04]

Hit that nail on the head.

[psuedo]

brees is not a good quarterback. period. he had all kinds of opportunities yesterday and squandered them. the completions he did make were still terrible passes(parker took a tremendous hit just to catch a ball that should of been thrown between the numbers). brees is now beyond help, he has crossed over into a head case, and its a shame because to a large degree it is inescapable with the surrounding receivers and line he has had but this year is different and for to him throw two pitiful interceptions and then fumble a snap on a crucial drive is just indicative of how beyond help he is. a bundle of nerves...jumpy...totally inconsistant.

if i were coaching this team right now, i would play rivers the whole year and trade brees for a lineman.

bye bye breeze

your gone

[mcc2mobile]

Let's hope brees shows up fine, and that the knock permanently jarred pass completion into him.
perhaps this hit was the small bit of " calibration" needed for success?

[WHITELIGHTNING]

Fact is AJ played the draft out perfectly, If we took Gallary, the Raiduds whould have taken Manning OUCH. So AJ took sheli, that did the trick, Raiduds didnt get him and AJ pulled the panties not only down but off of the Gnats. As far as Seau, he thought he was above the coaches and paid the price, right or wrong.

[optout]

Damn, I wonder where Ronnie is now.......

[nleobold]

I thought it was also terrible when we released Ronnie Jenkins, our kickoff returner. He was a great special teams player. Why the hell did the team let him go??

BEAT DENVER

[Bolts4Life21]

All I know is that Harrison was an all-pro and super bowl champion last season. Also, you can't expect a young quarterback to come in and turn a team around with absolutely no O-line. There have been quarterbacks that struggled at first, then went on to be great. It didn't take three seasons, but they didn't have a terrible line either. Let's Go bolts!

[optout]

LOL getting rid of Seau, Harrison, Mcneil and Wiley were mistakes? OMFG where do i start? First off, the defense needed to get younger or before you know it we would be slower Senior Citizens of football right behind the Faiders. Seau defensive leader of the team last 15, 16 years. Numbers were dropping off, getting hurt alot, money vs. production PLUS AGE were big factors in letting him go. It hurt me then, but understand now why they let him go (granted he still looks good). Harrison, OMG his last 2 years on the Chargers he was missing tackles, hitting mid-sized backs only for him to get knocked down, getting ran over, and not wrapping up. He had to go, he needed to get back to basics and glad to see he has with New England. Mcneil was getting old to, hell is he even playing right now? Wiley Mr. WildStyle What has he done for me lately? (or for anyone else?) You notice how little the changes on defense were when Seau and Harrison were there? It was like everything had to get permission from them before changes had to happen. Obviously time for change.

[Chargers2112]

Originally posted by: Chargeroo
The question is - was that the real Drew this Sunday, or was it the real Drew in Houston?

Judging by Drew's past performances and his consistancy we saw the real guy Sunday in San Diego.

[leodabolt]

Get your facts straight. We had the 2nd pick...manning was gone...ala Leaf (by the way...the league was gaga over him) Wiley had one good year and has done nothing for Dallas. You say last years o line sucked and complain when we cut them. Boston was a head case...the mistake was taking him in the first place...getting rid of him was the smart thing. By the way, Boston is out for the season. Seau is a one down back now. Lassiter got beat out. Dyson was lagging. Harrison was the only mistake. You appear to not know what you are talking about.
Originally posted by: minion
i also think the team has had horrible front office the past years.



some of the mistakes



getting rid of- Seau, harrison, mcneil, willey,picking leaf over manning, releasing the entire O-line from last year, trading boston for a dime back and a 6th round pick, cutting lassiter, even signing dyson, and of course i've said it already picking Rivers over gallary



its just been pathetic over these past years and the chargers really need a new GM

[minion]

you also have to remember that Gallery is in oakland where they have a decent line but in san diego there is no line, so i think he would of deffiently started in san diego

[flutiemania]

I NEVER LIKED BREES, even 2 years ago or whenever....he was a mistake from the start. No question. I resnt the fact that everyone assumes we (all Charger fans) ever backed this guy. Most People in SD have never like the guy....regardless of a lucky game or two. His numbers have always sucked, and if we are looking for the next Humperies, we are NUTS....lets get the next Elway....and perhaps ivers is the man....but let Flutie teach him how to play.

JN

[flutiemania]

Totally agree, start Flutie and teach Rivers how to be a winner and NOT a whinner, like Brees.

Doesn't everyone see this, or should SD always be backing a losing attitude....take some hances....rather than this Brees experiment gone wrong and WAY too long.}

JN

[coryhartford]

I guess what I'm basing my opinion on is the feeling. That is, when Brees is in the game the flow of the game just feels hopeless. There is no energy. When Flutie came in last year and energized the offense we began winning games and scoring points. We were competiitve. That kind of washes the whole "its not just the QB" agruement down the drain. I mean, how can you say that move didn't change anything? Certainly it did; It would be ignorant not to admit that. The run on 1st, 2nd, throw on third and long arguement seemed to also go by the way side when Flutie has come into games in the past. So does Doug openly defy Marty? Or does he know how to lead a team and control an offense? I think the latter. Brees may not be washed up, but hes not our QB. Especially when the energy of the team is so dramatically changed when he comes out.

[toalsonj7]

I am shocked at the ignorance of some charger fans. What do you expect? When the chargers were 8-8 a couple seasons ago, everyone thought Drew was going to be great; then they got rid of Curtis Conway. He has not had a reliable target since (any reasonable person can see that this is undebatable). True, Drew did not have a good game....enough said. How rediculous is it to declare that he is washed up and will only be a 2nd sting. There were all kinds of poor qb performances this past week: Garcia (3ints), Testaverde (3), Brady(2), McCown(2), Ramsey (3) Feeley (2), Delhomme(2), Roethelisberger (2), Maddox (4-13), Favre (2). Do you think that the fans are calling for their jobs. I for one will be so happy to see Drew out of this offense......run 1st and 2nd down and pass on 3rd and long; It is so predictable. Drew benefits greatly by being in the shotgun (he's only 6'0), I very rarely see him in the shotgun....Why not utilize his strengths. When he was at Purdue he would anihilate teams with his precision passing because he had a coach who would utilize him appropriately. Even the biggest Brees basher can admit that the play calling absolutely sucks, he has no reliable receivers (maybe Gates?), and has been Marty's scapegoat since starting. My two cents.

[coryhartford]

I disagree with Minion as well. Last year the offense was completley stagnate with Brees at the helm; they looked helpless. When Flutie was injected into the offense suddenly we could move the ball and score points. Sound familiar? Flutie scored in 2 minutes when Brees went out last week. Granted Brees had a swell preaseason and decent first game, but when he gets rattled he can't fight through it; he loses confidence and becomes worthless. He is not going to develop; the Oline doesn't seem to phase Flutie; My opinion is that we start Phillip or Doug and give up on the Brees expiriement. It has failed. i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif

[tdishman]

Originally posted by: Critter
As far as your Gallery/Rivers comment. That is debatable. Gallery was supposed to be the guy you plug in at left tackle and watch him in the next 10 pro bowls. He could not even win the starting job during training camp, did not start in the season opener and I believe will get his first start next week at right tackle. He still has not beat out Barry Simms at left tackle. I do think he will be a good one down the road though.

I believe that Gallery was dinged at times during training camp, which may have had something to do with not starting at left tackle. If I recall, didn't Orlando Pace start out very much like Gallery, where it took him a little time to win the outside job? (if not Pace, then it was some other big name lineman)

[Tomlinson21]

nope minion....but heck. Brees has been given his chances. why waste a season over him if we already know what to expect with him at the Starting QB position.

I bet you a million bucks your stance about this Brees thing will change dramatically after this Sunday coming up. Then what do we do when he stinks up in Mile High?

It's obvious so many people want us to win. It's natural. But he's not a part of it in my mind. Wasn't last year --- sure wasn't last Sunday either. He had his chances, man. How many more do we need to take on this guy before we start regretting we should have put Fluite, or a Rivers or a Lemon instead????

By the time you've made up your mind that Brees is not the answer our season is probably down the drain anyway. I don't get this Brees as the starter one bit. Yes we are screwed.

[Critter]

Originally posted by: tdishman

Originally posted by: Critter

As far as your Gallery/Rivers comment. That is debatable. Gallery was supposed to be the guy you plug in at left tackle and watch him in the next 10 pro bowls. He could not even win the starting job during training camp, did not start in the season opener and I believe will get his first start next week at right tackle. He still has not beat out Barry Simms at left tackle. I do think he will be a good one down the road though.



I believe that Gallery was dinged at times during training camp, which may have had something to do with not starting at left tackle. If I recall, didn't Orlando Pace start out very much like Gallery, where it took him a little time to win the outside job? (if not Pace, then it was some other big name lineman)

He had an elbow strain and missed two practice days, that's it.

Orlando Pace started right away on the right side of the line and moved to LT in his second year.

I already stated that I think Gallery will be a good one.

It actually shocked the hell out of me that he couldn't win a starting job at the begininng of the season.

And to be honest, it shouldn't be that difficult to beat out Sims. He was an UDFA I believe.

[minion]

o sorry


but RYAN LEAF IS STILL A BUTT HEAD

[Critter]

I could pick apart the rest of your post but I am trying to be kind.


Ahh what the hell.

Wiley underachieved after his first year. Look at his stats for Dallas this year, they stink. We are better with Igor. Our o-line was horrible last year. This season has provided Drew with much more time to throw the football. Boston was a cancer on this team and at least we got something for him. I'm sure Miami isn't to thrilled how that trade worked out so far. Lassiter was not making plays and has slowed down in his 10+ season.

The parts you got correct. Obviously drafting Leaf in the first place after some psycologists said he was a mental midget.

Getting rid of Seau and Harrison. Biggest bonehead decision to date. Of course the front office took that advice from Marty and the reasoning was they were not buying into Dale Linsey's schemes. Of course Lindsey was fired for incompetence as a defensive coordinator.

All of these decisions were made before AJ became the GM. So far he has this team better than last year. We are one of the youngest teams in the NFL and will be 20 mil under the cap next season.

As far as your Gallery/Rivers comment. That is debatable. Gallery was supposed to be the guy you plug in at left tackle and watch him in the next 10 pro bowls. He could not even win the starting job during training camp, did not start in the season opener and I believe will get his first start next week at right tackle. He still has not beat out Barry Simms at left tackle. I do think he will be a good one down the road though.

[minion]

Originally posted by: Chargers2112
He has only played two games this year, but what about all of the other games the last two years? It just seems like he's picking up right where he left off. Unfortunately I don't think Flutie has enough left to be a full time starter and Rivers isn't ready to do any better than Brees. Basically we're screwed.

you can't just have a good quaterback you also need a good line something the chargers have not had in years, not even elway could throw in san diego right now

[Critter]

Originally posted by: minion
i also think the team has had horrible front office the past years.



some of the mistakes



getting rid of- Seau, harrison, mcneil, willey,picking leaf over manning, releasing the entire O-line from last year, trading boston for a dime back and a 6th round pick, cutting lassiter, even signing dyson, and of course i've said it already picking Rivers over gallary



its just been pathetic over these past years and the chargers really need a new GM

Just to set the record straight, we did not pick Leaf over Manning.

The Colts drafted first and took Manning. We drafted third that year, made a trade with Arizona ,moved up to second and took Leaf.

[minion]

i also think the team has had horrible front office the past years.

some of the mistakes

getting rid of- Seau, harrison, mcneil, willey,picking leaf over manning, releasing the entire O-line from last year, trading boston for a dime back and a 6th round pick, cutting lassiter, even signing dyson, and of course i've said it already picking Rivers over gallary

its just been pathetic over these past years and the chargers really need a new GM

[Chargeroo]

The question is - was that the real Drew this Sunday, or was it the real Drew in Houston?

[tdishman]

I haven't seen any Bolts games yet this year, but last year Joe Montana in his prime would've looked bad behind that OLine. The Chargers have gone out and "tried" to get a veteran WR1 in each of the last 2 seasons. Last year landed you the headcase Boston, and this year landed you a guy that eventually got cut (Dyson).

The Chargers have some of the worst front office support of any team in the NFL. Most of the other teams appear to atleast have the desire to make their teams better.

[minion]

ya this will be a hard challenge for brees this week, i think we might find out what hes made of this week

[Tomlinson21]

get over it....his big test is against a great secondary in Champ Bailey this week. He better control this game from the get go....or its lights out!

[minion]

Originally posted by: tdishman
[quote]
Originally posted by: minion






As I said in the other Brees thread, I completely agree that Gallery would've been a better pick than Rivers, if for the only reason that you make your long-term investment in LT even better.




i'm glad someone agrees with me, but i guess we have to make the best of the situation. i really hope brees shows his true talent this year and we re-sign him

[tdishman]

Originally posted by: minion
i don't know why everyone hates brees i think he is a fine young quaterback. i hated how last year everryone blamed the season on brees ], must you remember last year we got hit with the injury bug and we didn't even have an O-Line so brees didn't even get the protection he needed. i don't think we even should of drafted rivers i think the pick should of gone to gallory. could you imagine our line if we had him. Oben-fonoti-Ball-Gallory-Goff that would be a dream tomlinson would have an amazing year well thats my input





GO chargers


As I said in the other Brees thread, I completely agree that Gallery would've been a better pick than Rivers, if for the only reason that you make your long-term investment in LT even better.

[minion]

i don't know why everyone hates brees i think he is a fine young quaterback. i hated how last year everryone blamed the season on brees ], must you remember last year we got hit with the injury bug and we didn't even have an O-Line so brees didn't even get the protection he needed. i don't think we even should of drafted rivers i think the pick should of gone to gallory. could you imagine our line if we had him. Oben-fonoti-Ball-Gallory-Goff that would be a dream tomlinson would have an amazing year well thats my input


GO chargers

[Chargers2112]

He has only played two games this year, but what about all of the other games the last two years? It just seems like he's picking up right where he left off. Unfortunately I don't think Flutie has enough left to be a full time starter and Rivers isn't ready to do any better than Brees. Basically we're screwed.

[boltzblitz]

I disagree, He looked good in texas and everyone was on his side. Then they play at home and he sucked . He only played two games. The jets played very well and stopped LT, That was the real problem. Brees is not the best but niether was Humphries. Do you remember him? And Stan went to the super bowl.. I love Flutie and his game is exciting. He should of started every game when we first got him and never made him a back up. BUt the Team did and now we pay for it.. The answer is start brees for the 1rst half, If he has the lead keep him in.. If not pull him and go with flutie..

[ziggyp22]

I have to say that Brees should nOT be the starter. This guy is not an NFL Quarterback. Either go with Flutie or Rivers. I say let Fluite start and bring Rivers in when he is ready. Brees is the 2nd coming of Rob Johnson. A never-will-be!

[HellsBells]

Not yet ;D

[Chargers2112]

Aren't there enough threads open about Drew Brees?

[HellsBells]

If Brees had a few more decent recievers, an O-Line that ACTUALLY blocked, a defense that would take the pressure off the offense, then Brees would be able to run this offfense and make it a potential threat. I think that Brees is an excellent quarterback who deserves more time to develope and become a great player.

[SanLuisFan]

I think that Brees starting gives the Chargers the best chance to win right now. That may change in several weeks, but right now Brees is the guy.


We just have to knock him over the head before the game starts i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Boltz4evr]

Originally posted by: Chargers2112
What team in their right mind would trade anything for Drew Brees with the what he has shown us so far!?! I know we have a patchwork O-Line and a questionable receiving corps, but that's no excuse for his poor decisions and inability to get the ball to open receivers (if they ever get open and not that that means they would catch it. I don't think Brees will be a successful starter anywhere he goes. He's a stand up guy and works his butt off but he just can't get it done...period.

I agree with everything you just wrote.....the guy just doesn't play consistent to be considered a
starter for any team in the league, i think they should start Rivers now and begin his development.

[Chargers2112]

What team in their right mind would trade anything for Drew Brees with the what he has shown us so far!?! I know we have a patchwork O-Line and a questionable receiving corps, but that's no excuse for his poor decisions and inability to get the ball to open receivers (if they ever get open and not that that means they would catch it. I don't think Brees will be a successful starter anywhere he goes. He's a stand up guy and works his butt off but he just can't get it done...period.

[Thunderstruck]

I think at this point, Brees is trade bait. You can't keep carrying 4 QBs on the roster--that's just nuts. I think the Bolts are trying to get something better than a 4th or 5th-rounder for Drew and they figure it doesn't hurt that it gives Phil a bit more time to develop before they toss him to the wolves.

[desmit]

I don't think Rivers should start at all this year until we're officially out of the playoffs. I've never heard of a QB's career being ruined because he didn't play his rookie season, but I have heard of QB's being thrown in too early. Besides, I'm pretty sure Martys jobs on the line so why would he groom Rivers for the next coach? He is our QB of the future, but I'm craving something to cheer about this year.

Why is Brees our starter? Does he really give us the best chance to win? Or is he just trade bait, hoping he plays well enough to increase his value?

I just want make sure that there's something to hope for in November (ie. playoffs) I know thats wishful thinking but, If Brees doesn't give us the best chance to win, I don't want to throw away the year, just so we can trade him.

[Tomlinson21]

man I'm just one frustrated Charger fan, Man....its not like I'm expecting us to dominate every single game - because we are just not that explosive. I realize this team plays better when the game progresses. This team just needs to have the killer instinct and I don't see that in the first halves of these past 2 games.

But my point is as long as we keep the game close and keep it interesting to the very end - Im all for it --win or lose.

This would have been a great game to WIN....oh well....it's just too damn depressing to see us lose so much. But I stick with em...yessiree. But don't expect me to go these black out games again. I think hearing Hank Bauer on 760 will give me my fix every Sunday from here on out.

[thismustbejon]

Originally posted by: Tomlinson21
I think Drew's next team will still keep him as a back up at best. I don't see this guy running an offense unless all he does is handoff. No seriously man. This guy is washed up. I hate to say it...I was supporting this guy all pre-season until today.



My take on Drew Brees is this: If Flutie can manage a scoring drive with less than 4 mins left in the game...and take almost 3 full quarters for Drew to score his first touch down something is definitiely wrong in that picture.


well most people here think im a brees blaster but u cant say hes washed up i mean fluite was facing zones and the jets knew that even tho chargers scored the likely hood of them winning wasnt very high

granted my support for brees has dropped i still want him starting, but it can change after denver if he cant find a way to complete passes and not to baily or lynch

[Tomlinson21]

I think Drew's next team will still keep him as a back up at best. I don't see this guy running an offense unless all he does is handoff. No seriously man. This guy is washed up. I hate to say it...I was supporting this guy all pre-season until today.

My take on Drew Brees is this: If Flutie can manage a scoring drive with less than 4 mins left in the game...and take almost 3 full quarters for Drew to score his first touch down something is definitiely wrong in that picture.

[thismustbejon]

Just somthing that crossed my mind at the game today and wanted to know what people think, i remember when comnig into last year i read a breakdown of all teams before the season got underway i think it was on cbssportsline or one of those publications. But it said the key for the chargers was to see brees continue to develop ( he was coming off the 8-8) but it said if he dint no show further improvement he will become a middle of he road qb and they pointed out Brian Greise. Just wanted to know how many people think brees is just another greise (where in the world is he now?)

not saying bench him, just the proformance some what made me remember that.

cuz i remember greise could lite it up ( chargers monday night game) and he could be the complete turn around the next game

[Wanders]

Yeah did you see the game and listen to the announcers they agree that majority of the missed passes was the WR faults... like the pass Gates could have caught but pulled his hands down, and several time he hit his receivers and thet dropped, and they did it to Flutie too...

[Thunderstruck]

I like Drew, but I have to admit, he looked awful today.

[attila]

Drew is very good at taking personal fouls.

[SDRaiderH8er]

I am glad I was able to get someone to laugh!

Its just a game guys, its just a f&* @#$^ 5^* Game that we should of ^&*^ won!

[kristiew675]

Thats really funny, ya thats where to find his rating, tough being a charger fan sometimes isnt it

[IgorUnchained]

That is the funniest thing Ive seen all day

[Critter]

Found it.

Rating for today..........

46.5%

OUCH

[michael]

THAT IS FUNNY...dang sometimes things are so bad theyre hilarious..........good work......LMAO

[optout]

hahahhaa nice. I looked but it was to deep in the commode to grab. and OMG that is a horrible smell in there.

[Bolts4Life21]

hahahahhah!!!!!

[Critter]

HAHAHA.

That's good chit H8er.i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[SDRaiderH8er]

Did you look in here

http://waltonfeed.com/old/outhous2.jpg

[Critter]

Where can I find Drew's QB rating. I am curious to what it is after he posted a 100+ rating last week.

I checked NFL.com and ESPN. They don't have the actual rating.

Thx.