LATimes: Charger Stadium in Flux

[WonderSlug]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-nfl26apr26,1,1171806.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nfl


NFL
Charger Stadium in Flux
By Sam Farmer, Times Staff Writer

April 26, 2005


Although it's too soon to determine what effect the surprise resignation of San Diego's mayor will have on the Chargers' bid for a new stadium, a team spokesman said Monday that recent turmoil in city government has complicated efforts to find a development partner.

"In such extremely uncertain circumstances, it's a real challenge to persuade investors to put their money in San Diego," said Mark Fabiani, Charger point man for the stadium effort. "But we're a long way from giving up, we still have meetings scheduled, and we still have parties who are interested. We still have a project that under normal circumstances is very attractive to the public and a development partner."

San Diego Mayor Dick Murphy resigned Monday, less than five months after starting his second four-year term. He was reelected last fall after narrowly winning a three-way race, edging write-in candidate Donna Frye after several write-in ballots were disqualified.

Although he did not necessarily oppose a new stadium for the Chargers, Murphy did little to promote the idea. Frye, a councilwoman whose district includes Qualcomm Stadium, has consistently opposed a new stadium for the team.

Murphy's resignation becomes effective July 15. The City Council has the option of appointing a replacement or scheduling a special election for a mayor to serve out the remainder of Murphy's term, which would end in 2008.

The Chargers are proposing a stadium and mixed-use development on a 166-acre site that includes Qualcomm Stadium. They would pay for a Super Bowl-quality stadium at a cost of about $450 million; a 30-acre park along a river; and about $150 million in transportation improvements such as new roads and freeway interchanges around the stadium.

In exchange, the Chargers are asking for 60 acres of the site on which to develop a dense urban village, including high-rise condominium complexes, as well as all the necessary permits and zoning licenses. The team would collect all revenue generated by the stadium, even though the city would own the venue.

In July, the Chargers and San Diego agreed to a new Qualcomm Stadium lease that requires the team to pay $2.5 million a year in rent and do away with its litigation against the city and the controversial ticket guarantee, which required taxpayers to reimburse the team for unsold seats.

Under the new agreement, beginning Jan. 1, 2007, the Chargers can talk to other cities about relocating. The deal allows the team to leave San Diego at any time after the 2008 season, provided that the team pays off the city's debt on the stadium.

That cost would be $57 million in 2009, slightly less in 2010, and would drop off dramatically after that.

[joseph04]

man, to even think about the chargers leaving san diego would seriously kill me inside , PLEASE! DONT LET THIS HAPPPEN, what can we do, how can we do it, anything and something can be done im sure.

[IronMountain1960]

man, to even think about the chargers leaving san diego would seriously kill me inside , PLEASE! DONT LET THIS HAPPPEN, what can we do, how can we do it, anything and something can be done im sure.
Don't vote for Donna Frye, and get out the vote for Ron Roberts or whoever is running against her.

[jweb101]

I said it in another post, but I think Mark Aguirre is the one to be afraid of. He thinks he is the king of San Diego, total loose cannon, who is investigating just about everybody (except for Frye) who holds public office. If the mayor thing goes back to another election, let's get District Attorney on the ballot while were at it. Seriously, Aguirre wants to move up in public office. He wants to be mayor. He needs to be stopped. Frye didn't even go to college, but she has Aguirre and a lot of tree huggers in her back pocket. This is not good for the Chargers.

[SDFaiderHater]

I said it in another post, but I think Mark Aguirre is the one to be afraid of. He thinks he is the king of San Diego, total loose cannon, who is investigating just about everybody (except for Frye) who holds public office. If the mayor thing goes back to another election, let's get District Attorney on the ballot while were at it. Seriously, Aguirre wants to move up in public office. He wants to be mayor. He needs to be stopped. Frye didn't even go to college, but she has Aguirre and a lot of tree huggers in her back pocket. This is not good for the Chargers.

indeed i dont think that man people would vote for frye if we had 1 republican candidate instead of 2 like the last, Frye wouldnt have even been a factor.it woulda been landslide in favor or murphy/roberts.

[Chargers99]

get out and vote, sell out the Q, put public pressure on the mayor via mail or emails. remember national city wants the chargers, not all is lost. :14: :Bolt:

[SDChargeHer]

get out and vote, sell out the Q, put public pressure on the mayor via mail or emails. remember national city wants the chargers, not all is lost. :14: :Bolt:

what is donna frye's email someone find it and make a new thread with it. Thousands of emails by charger fans will get her attention.

[dfields77]

Remember when you email this nutcase, that she is a defensive woman, who does not "get" sports at all. When you make your case to her, please dont fuel her fire. Make your case with intelligence. There are many threads on this site with posters that have made intelligent arguments for the new stadium.


what is donna frye's email someone find it and make a new thread with it. Thousands of emails by charger fans will get her attention.

[LAGrrrl]

Man, I live in LA, and the last thing I would want is for the Chargers to move up here or anywhere. I enjoy my little vacations down the coast once a month or so. Why is SD so against giving the bolts a new stadium?

[WARHAWKS]

why too many idiot ppl in san diego vote her....

[ChargerGirl69]

Guys please don't think this isn't perfectly planned out already. What we heard 5 years ago in LA is what we see today happening. All the pieces are fallen perfectly as plan for the Chargers to move to LA. It is so clear as day what is happening. And do you think really that the Spanos' are going to deal in good faith with cities like Oceanside, Chula Vista, etc... until the Jan 1 deadline when you got Los Angeles there waiting and chomping at the bit to build a state of the art stadium in the 2nd largest market in the country. It would be like winning the lottery for the Spanos' to move to LA. All the money, all that big city exposure. The Spanos' would be the new Jerry Buss of LA. The toast of the town. And the NFL wants it. Starting 2009 season the Los Angeles Chargers will be opening up in there new stadium. It has been written. Resistance is futile.

[DrTran]

Why on earth did you bump a year old thread?

[CoronaBrian]

Why on earth did you bump a year old thread?

At this point the prospects point towards Las Vegas, Anaheim, or LA. But, things could change.
The silver and black LA Chargers! barf!!!!

[TCUFAN5]

screw that.. they better not change the colors..

[ChargerGirl69]

At this point the prospects point towards Las Vegas, Anaheim, or LA. But, things could change.
The silver and black LA Chargers! barf!!!!

I don't get it???????????????????????????????????????????
What does silver and black have to do with LA????????????
Rams were in Los Angeles since the late 40's. They were in Los Angeles over 50 years. Raiders were in Los Angeles like what less than ten. Los Angeles is very much a Blue and Gold city. A matter of fact the Hilton's took that LA Blue and Gold Ram color so identifable with LA that they made it there own with the LA Chargers in 1960 to attract the LA football fan. Get it.....Got it.....Good!

[foty89]

Hey ChargerGirl69,

You actually a fan, or are you just trolling about to stir up some action for yourself?

Go Bolts!
:Bolt: :Bolt: :Bolt:

[ChargerGirl69]

Hey ChargerGirl69,

You actually a fan, or are you just trolling about to stir up some action for yourself?

Go Bolts!
:Bolt: :Bolt: :Bolt:

Oh! Very big fan of the Chargers!
Most people in LA/OC are these days. We now get all the Charger games on TV and the fan base is growing leaps and bounds

[foty89]

Oh! Very big fan of the Chargers!
Most people in LA/OC are these days. We now get all the Charger games on TV and the fan base is growing leaps and bounds

While I know from being here, that all the Chargers games are on, I don't know about the fan base growing by leaps and bounds. I wear my Chargers gear, but I have never seen anyone else with any here, except for at Disney, and those were mostly from the San Diego area from talking to them.

What it is I see is Raider silver and black crap all the time.

Go Bolts!
:Bolt: :Bolt: :Bolt:

[Tycebrew]

Guys please don't think this isn't perfectly planned out already. What we heard 5 years ago in LA is what we see today happening. All the pieces are fallen perfectly as plan for the Chargers to move to LA. It is so clear as day what is happening. And do you think really that the Spanos' are going to deal in good faith with cities like Oceanside, Chula Vista, etc... until the Jan 1 deadline when you got Los Angeles there waiting and chomping at the bit to build a state of the art stadium in the 2nd largest market in the country. It would be like winning the lottery for the Spanos' to move to LA. All the money, all that big city exposure. The Spanos' would be the new Jerry Buss of LA. The toast of the town. And the NFL wants it. Starting 2009 season the Los Angeles Chargers will be opening up in there new stadium. It has been written. Resistance is futile.



I don't see LA as chomping at the bit as you see it. The LA folks refuse to pay for a stadium with their tax dollars. The Rose Bowl has already been decreed undoable and the LA Colisuem is just not a football stadium. I don't see much effort in the works to get something done in Carson. Possibly only Irvine could build something next to the current Anaheim teams.

[ChargerGirl69]

While I know from being here, that all the Chargers games are on, I don't know about the fan base growing by leaps and bounds. I wear my Chargers gear, but I have never seen anyone else with any here, except for at Disney, and those were mostly from the San Diego area from talking to them.

What it is I see is Raider silver and black crap all the time.

Go Bolts!
:Bolt: :Bolt: :Bolt:

It makes sense to me now. Your in that part of town. Get out quick.

[foty89]

It makes sense to me now. Your in that part of town. Get out quick.

Actually, as stated previously, I am in Newbury Park, part of Thousand Oaks, and it is a pretty nice place to be.

Go Bolts!
:Bolt: :Bolt: :Bolt:

[ChargerGirl69]

Actually, as stated previously, I am in Newbury Park, part of Thousand Oaks, and it is a pretty nice place to be.

Go Bolts!
:Bolt: :Bolt: :Bolt:

yes but thats Oakland Raider and Dallas Cowboy town. thats not LA. I know Newbury Park. Alot of 49er fans too. Thats very north LA. In the SouthBay Santa Monica down to Palos Verdes is growing a ground swell of Charger fans and all of south orange county is Charger fans.

[babyvan26]

As stated by ChargerGirl, I would hope that the Chargers stay in San Diego. I'm in the San Fernando Valley and enjoy the trips up there. I would like a team down this way.......but not in Downtown LA.

Ram Fan First, Charger Fan Second!

[wikimama]

LA is becoming more and more ghetto, i hope the Bolts stay in SD county so i don't have to drive 2 hours to watch a game in the middle of Inglewood. I hope LA can get a team but not the Chargers, that city is not what it used to be.

[ChargerGirl69]

LA is becoming more and more ghetto, i hope the Bolts stay in SD county so i don't have to drive 2 hours to watch a game in the middle of Inglewood. I hope LA can get a team but not the Chargers, that city is not what it used to be.

If the NFL was so worried about a ghetto then they would need to remove about every east coast team from there locations. Nothing more ghetto, 3rd world than Miami. I don't think Inglewood represents LA. Plus we are talking about a TV market not a real estate location. I think the players would enjoy Manhattan Beach just as much as most NFL and MLB players do on the off season. El Segundo would love to host the new practice facility for the Chargers or Bills or Saints or Jaguars just a few minutes from Manhattan Beach and LAX. Manhattan Beach is the most expensive real estate in the state. Huh! Thats funny! I thought LA was such a ghetto? I think you guys need to check a map out. LA is like Disneyland. It has its lands. Theres Fantasyland, Adventureland, well you know the rest. LA is vast. The whole county of San Diego fits into a corner of LA county. And yes boys we are talking the whole county not just the city of LA. But when you are talking about a team moving to LA you are talking about an 18 million population consisting of 5 other counties. Not just Inglewood. Ventura county, San Bernadino county, Riverside county, LA county and Orange county and if I'm not mistaken isn't Kern county part of the LA TV market. That would make it 6 counties. So see boys its not just LA. Imagine 18 million plus watching Charger commercials or games or ads. Imagine the money the Spanos' will make with the advertising dollars from the LA market. wow! Just like Artie Moreno with the Angels. Its a win win boys. As sexy and beautiful San Diego is it can't offer what LA can in dollars which makes sense for the NFL and owners. LA has 2 positions to fill. I think the Spanos' are smart enough to know the answer to that. Pack your bags. By the Way..... Why is your pix Donnie Edwards? Isn't he like gone after 2006 season if not before. Tis Tis..... 2009 season seats will be on sale in LA.

[ChargerGirl69]

As stated by ChargerGirl, I would hope that the Chargers stay in San Diego. I'm in the San Fernando Valley and enjoy the trips up there. I would like a team down this way.......but not in Downtown LA.

Ram Fan First, Charger Fan Second!

Right on! Rams Rule!

[Dago81Sd]

LOL.

L.A doesn't have the necessary base to support a NFL team. Thats why, not only one NFL team but two packed up and left within the decade. L.A is still a black/white market, like it or not. I do feel bad for you Santa Anna's. However, your always free to get away from that nightmare of a city of L.A and take 5 all the way down to Mission Valley to watch some Bolts game.

And for you ChargerGirl, we can meet up at Pappa's N Beer afterwards. :Beer:

[ChargerGirl69]

LOL.

L.A doesn't have the necessary base to support a NFL team. Thats why, not only one NFL team but two packed up and left within the decade. L.A is still a black/white market, like it or not. I do feel bad for you Santa Anna's. However, your always free to get away from that nightmare of a city of L.A and take 5 all the way down to Mission Valley to watch some Bolts game.

Dago81Sd.....my dear boy keep up.............
we already went through this
read the back bantering earlier today. CATCH UP SON.

[yonas]

If the NFL was so worried about a ghetto then they would need to remove about every east coast team from there locations. Nothing more ghetto, 3rd world than Miami. I don't think Inglewood represents LA. Plus we are talking about a TV market not a real estate location. I think the players would enjoy Manhattan Beach just as much as most NFL and MLB players do on the off season. El Segundo would love to host the new practice facility for the Chargers or Bills or Saints or Jaguars just a few minutes from Manhattan Beach and LAX. Manhattan Beach is the most expensive real estate in the state. Huh! Thats funny! I thought LA was such a ghetto? I think you guys need to check a map out. LA is like Disneyland. It has its lands. Theres Fantasyland, Adventureland, well you know the rest. LA is vast. The whole county of San Diego fits into a corner of LA county. And yes boys we are talking the whole county not just the city of LA. But when you are talking about a team moving to LA you are talking about an 18 million population consisting of 5 other counties. Not just Inglewood. Ventura county, San Bernadino county, Riverside county, LA county and Orange county and if I'm not mistaken isn't Kern county part of the LA TV market. That would make it 6 counties. So see boys its not just LA. Imagine 18 million plus watching Charger commercials or games or ads. Imagine the money the Spanos' will make with the advertising dollars from the LA market. wow! Just like Artie Moreno with the Angels. Its a win win boys. As sexy and beautiful San Diego is it can't offer what LA can in dollars which makes sense for the NFL and owners. LA has 2 positions to fill. I think the Spanos' are smart enough to know the answer to that. Pack your bags. By the Way..... Why is your pix Donnie Edwards? Isn't he like gone after 2006 season if not before. Tis Tis..... 2009 season seats will be on sale in LA.

YOu must really want the chargers in LA. That's understadable since you don't live down here, but to us LA is the enemy. Everything about LA is hated by San Diego sports fans, so that is the worst thing that could happen. I have even heard people say that they rather have the chargers go out of the state. Rather than go to LA.

I can guarantee this much, wherever the Chargers go I will still be a fan, but LA will be a lot harder to swallow. This team is part of the city, and county. I am sure that the Chargers will get something done with the county of San Diego. Besides the NFL wants a team here, they have said this before, they want to bring Super Bowls to San Diego. All the Chargers need to do is get a stadium built.

If the Chargers leave there is going to be another team that would want to have their team in San Diego (county). There is no sense in moving to LA, becuase either way the NFL will be In San Diego, That much I am sure of.:Beer:

[ChargerGirl69]

YOu must really want the chargers in LA. That's understadable since you don't live down here, but to us LA is the enemy. Everything about LA is hated by San Diego sports fans, so that is the worst thing that could happen. I have even heard people say that they rather have the chargers go out of the state. Rather than go to LA.

I can guarantee this much, wherever the Chargers go I will still be a fan, but LA will be a lot harder to swallow. This team is part of the city, and county. I am sure that the Chargers will get something done with the county of San Diego. Besides the NFL wants a team here, they have said this before, they want to bring Super Bowls to San Diego. All the Chargers need to do is get a stadium built.

If the Chargers leave there is going to be another team that would want to have their team in San Diego (county). There is no sense in moving to LA, becuase either way the NFL will be In San Diego, That much I am sure of.:Beer:

I agree.....Spoken like a true educated man. I went to school in San Diego and have gone to many games in San Diego. I know the hatered San Diego has for LA with the Dodgers winning the division most of the time and the Clippers leaving to LA and UCLA always kickin State's butt in everything. Yep, trust me I know the hate. But it doesn't matter because business is business. Money has one color, GREEN. And you make more where there is more people. Its Business 101 boys. Don't hate me just respected me.

[Dago81Sd]

Look at the past decade. They are contempt with USC and the ****ty Dodgers and Lakers.

[jsdfan]

Right on! Rams Rule!

I liked the Rams a little bit when Nolan Cromwell played for them. LOL.

[drangus]

I like the sound of the san diego chargers of chula vista:Beer:

[Dago81Sd]

I like the sound of the san diego chargers of chula vista:Beer:
Anything sounds as long as they remain in SD county. However, Chula Vista would be a ideal spot since they have a quite of bit of waterfront property (100+ acres) and would bring in alot of development $$$.

[LTfan4life]

Do you guys think the Chargers would really move back to L.A.? Remember, they already tried that experiment for a year, and quickly realized they would rather be in San Diego. Of course, that was back in 61, but the L.A. experiment has already been tried. :crazy:

[Dago81Sd]

FYI, there is about 550 acres of available waterfront land in Chula Vista, in which only 100 acres is privatly owned. Plenty of land for Spanos to build a Stadium and a plethora of development.

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Bayfront Redevelopment Project


Planning is underway to transform over 450 acres of land along the water in Chula Vista into a magnificent world-class bayfront. Experts are calling it one of the most significant waterfront planning efforts in the state.

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Imagine a variety of parks, boutiques, luxury hotels, elegant restaurants and museums on the water. Enjoy kayaking, sailing and other water sports along our scenic bay. This is what a world-class bayfront in Chula Vista could look like in the future.
The Chula Vista waterfront is generally comprised of:
The Midbayfront site, located north of "F" Street between Bay Boulevard and the water (126 acres); and
The Port District properties surrounding the Marina, including the vacated former Goodrich properties south of "H" Street, and the South Bay Power Plant and switchyard sites located south of "J" Street (360 acres).Chula Vista Bayfront Master Planning (CVBMP)
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At the direction of the policy makers, efforts are underway to complete the master plan for the bayfront. Creating a world class Chula Vista Bayfront is a joint goal of the City of Chula Vista and the Port of San Diego in partnership with Pacifica Companies (http://www.chulavistaca.gov/City_Services/Development_Services/Community_Development/Redevelopment/Images/Bayfront.jpg), a private developer representing the Midbayfront properties.
Chula Vista’s bayfront design has been led by the internationally known urban design firm of Cooper Robertson and Partners, in association with the local architectural firm of Carrier Johnson.

In May 2004, the City Council and the Port Board selected two land use plans developed in concert with the consultant team and the Citizen Advisory Committee for further analysis.

Both plans include more than 200 acres for habitat viewing areas, bikeways, pedestrian paths and a signature park. In addition, acreage has been set aside for waterfront specialty shops, hotels, housing, cultural attractions, and employment centers with research and development facilities.

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South Bay Power Plant


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Duke Energy operates the South Bay Power Plant under lease from the Port of San Diego. Pursuant to an agreement with the Port, Duke Energy is to dismantle the existing plant by 2009. A new generation facility is planned, either at the existing location or at another location yet to be determined. Duke Energy is analyzing their options and plans to unveil their strategy for the new plant facility within the next two years.
Chula Vista City Council has supported locating a modern, state-of-the-art facility south of the existing site, thereby freeing up property to the north for a higher and better use. Dismantling the existing plant will have a dramatic impact on revenue generation for the bayfront and the Southwest Redevelopment Project Area. It is anticipated that a new plant could provide substantial revenue needed to facilitate bayfront development.


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[yonas]

I think when it is all said and done they will be in Chula Vista or Oceanside. Chula Vista has some great spots near the ocean, at the waterfront, and that could be ideal, so does Oceanside.

The city of San Diego will regret they didn't make something happen earlier.

[chango316]

Anything sounds as long as they remain in SD county. However, Chula Vista would be a ideal spot since they have a quite of bit of waterfront property (100+ acres) and would bring in alot of development $$$.
if not there, even national city, as weird as it sounds, i heard that they would be down to build a stadium, and i think an ideal spot for it would be all that crappy area of the civic center exit, where all that industrial crap is at, i say tear all that down build a stadium there cus hell its close to the water, they can make a trolley stop there cus the tracks run there already, and the freeway is right there 2. u guys think this would be a good idea??????????????

[wikimama]

LA is going down hill, my uncle who lives in Hawthorne and my grandpa who lives in Manhatten Beach want to leave. As nice as MB is, it is slowly becoming like the rest of LA. Actually my grandpa started looking for a house in SD last week because things have gotten so bad up there. And please stop calling us boys it is really annoying. Even the inland OC is getting worse, Anaheim is a very ugly city and is quickly ageing.

[ChargerGirl69]

Hey Everyone! I hope you are all having a great Sunday. I see this topic is still going on. Well thats good. I think it will only get more intense over the next few years until the Chargers annouce their move to LA/OC sometime around late 2008 early 2009. I think a team like the Jags, Saints will announce their move 1st. One team will play in Los Angeles in the new Coloseum. This new Coloseum will be entirely new except the Par style end. This original 1932 structure which is part of the stadium where the Olympic torch is at. The Coloseum held two Olympic Games. The only Stadium in the world to ever hold two Olympic Games. Los Angeles has already made renderings of this new Coloseum and has the ok by all political officials in the city and state to proceed. This has been in the works for over 5 years. This will be part of the downtown renovation strip connecting Staples Center, USC, the new ESPN headquarters and city walk, along with the LA convention center and of course the new Coloseum with Dodger Stadium only 5 minutes away. In Anahiem, I think thats where the Chargers will end up. This will be also the new home of the NFL headquarters and state of the art new stadium just next to Angel Stadium. San Diego fans will still be able to take the train north and get off right in the parking lot of the stadium. It is a win win for SD fans still wanting to see their Chargers. San Diego will adjust and be very happy. These ideas have been talked about for years here in LA/OC. We saw this coming for years. LA/OC has 2 baseball teams, 2 basketball teams, 2 hockey teams, 2 major universities, many state of the art university sports complexes, state of the art cultural arts complexes, museums, zoos, 3 major amusement parks and the millions more I just don't have the time to put down in writing. Los Angeles is Rome, is Paris, is New York, London. Los Angeles is 2nd to none globally. Yes LA has its ugly spots. It has its ghettos, crime, corruption but what large Municipality doesn't. This move isn't about how green the grass is in San Diego nor new construction phases in Oceanside. I know San Diego very well. I would rather have a stadium 20 minutes south of me from Laguna Niguel in Oceanside but do you really believe a business man running a multi billion dollar business that he wants to leave to not only he's sons but grandchildren for generations would move his business to Oceanside, Chula Vista?????????????? Guys why not T.J. for that matter. Alcohol is cheaper there. And no guys LA/OC has had 2 football teams before and supported them very well. Thats why Al Davis said the biggest mistake he ever made was moving out of LA. And for Georgia, well the Rams still have there offices in LA for some reason. I don't think Georgia, John Shaw and the rest of the top front office people live in St. Louis. They all reside in LA. Georgia pimped the Rams to St. Louis for her need for cash just like Art Model did with Cleveland/Baltimore. The next time any of you guys take a trip to either Magic Mountain or Knotts Berry Farm or Disneyland take a little drive around and tell me where the ugly is. Go to anyone of LA's or OC's beach cities and tell me where the ugly is. Go to Beverly Hills, Malibu, Calabasas, Palos Verdes tell me where the ugly is. Go anywhere in Newport Beach, Laguna Nigual, Dana Point tell me where the ugly is. You guys say LA is all ghetto! Can't support a football team let alone 2. Oh and Dago81Sd, foty89 keep up the good fight. But in the next few years that spirit will erode. It will become clear as day and you will see what we all have been telling you. But until then keep believing in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and since your at it Santa Claus too. "If if and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry christmas" BOLTZ55 I will take that drink as long as my buddies ADIOS, KINGBOLT, and SEXNRASTA tag along.

[ChargerGirl69]

John Czarnecki (http://msn.foxsports.com/writer/archive?authorId=211) / FOXSports.com

If you are a wealthy fan, or more particularly an owner, the new football stadiums that dot the NFL landscape remain one of outgoing Commissioner Paul Tagliabue's shining stars to his legacy.

It remains an amazing accomplishment, 17 totally new stadiums in the last 11 seasons with five more on the way. The building boom is all the more remarkable considering NFL teams have only eight legitimate home games a season, while costs generally exceed those for the more economically-feasible baseball parks.

These thoughts bring me to California, the NFL's most-embarrassing location. There is no team in Los Angeles and stadium woes in San Diego, San Francisco and Oakland.
People speculate all the time that the Chargers, the best team in California, could end up in Orange County if San Diego, more than a billion dollars in debt, can't help them build a new stadium. Over the last three seasons, the 49ers and the Raiders have an identical (and disturbing) 13-35 record with little personnel hope on the horizon. With so much else to do in California, who wants to pay $100 to see such a bunch of losers?
Tagliabue wants to put a team in Los Angeles, but many feel that after the league's $30 million charitable experiment ends in New Orleans, the Saints will be asked to relocate to sunny California.
We don't need a straw poll to tell the NFL that Los Angeles fans aren't clamoring for the Saints. Fans here love their doubleheaders on television or going to a sports bar to watch their favorite team. Funny, but California is full of fans from other parts of America. You may laugh, but there are a couple solutions available for this mess, one that may actually help stadium construction in California and also upgrade the economic viability of franchises like the Raiders and Chargers. With a new stadium operational in Arizona, the Raiders will rank last in league revenue this season — despite the fact that they remain a top seller nationally of jerseys and T-shirts. We all know that much of the league likes keeping Davis in last place.

Tagliabue got himself in this California hazy mess by failing to read the relocation map more than a decade ago. Instead of dealing expansion franchises to viable cities like Baltimore and St. Louis, he opted for new locales like Carolina and Jacksonville. The latter has proven to be an economic bust despite producing a quality, competitive team.
In the league's revenue-sharing plan, the Jags could receive almost $10 million annually from the big boys in Boston, Dallas and Washington in order to compete and remain solvent under the new collective bargaining agreement. We have all heard Buffalo owner Ralph Wilson whine about this deal, which could hurt every small-city franchise in the NFL.
To fix this predicament, the NFL's first move should be to bring the Rams back to Los Angeles.
Rams president John Shaw prefers to work and live in Los Angeles; plus there are many in L.A. who still follow the Rams. There is a much bigger connection here with the Rams than with the Saints, Bills, Vikings or Jaguars, the teams most-mentioned of using Los Angeles as a means to improving their bottom lines.
The Rams first showed up in Los Angeles in 1946. Did Los Angeles love the Rams? Well, you can go to the Coliseum offices and see photographs of the facility with more than 100,000 fans packed into it watching a Rams game. Even charity preseason games drew large crowds. Such crowds routinely occurred for a couple of decades. There are even California fans who still fly to St. Louis on weekends to catch a Rams game.
With the Rams back in Los Angeles, the NFL would have a better chance of getting a stadium proposal more to their liking in the city. I know local fans aren't wild about Rams owner Georgia Frontiere, but she rarely attends games anymore while living in Sedona. It's the name and uniforms that matter.
Now, with the Rams back where they belong, what should the NFL do with St. Louis, whose fans deserve a team, considering they have sold out every Rams game for 11 seasons?
Well, move the Raiders there. You can bet Al Davis would make a bunch of money in St. Louis, besides leaving his franchise in fine fiscal shape for his son, Mark. Getting the Raiders out of the Bay Area would most-assuredly help 49ers owner John York's stadium plans. With only one NFL franchise in Northern California to support, the corporate manpower there should be able to figure out a viable plan for some interactive stadium to suit the internet junkies there.
Granted, people in St. Louis would be upset over losing the Rams, but they already lost the Cardinals; so the fan base is used to being, well, used by the NFL.
If they raise a stink, move the Cardinals back to St. Louis and the Raiders to Arizona. That may take some doing, but Cardinals owner Bill Bidwill and Davis could simply split their new local revenues 50-50. Both men would be better off than they are currently.
This plan makes more sense than bringing a fourth franchise to California, a state overwhelmed by fears of the Big One, and a state that can't find money for schools, colleges and new roads — let alone new football stadiums. The state also has a huge immigrant strain and levees in the Central Valley ready to crack and flood America's agricultural heaven.
Franchise relocation has worked well for the NFL in the past. Moving franchises around is better than adding a 33rd team, an expansion team in Los Angeles, while there are American cities like New Orleans, Oakland and Jacksonville who can't properly (by NFL standards) support their current franchise.
I know it doesn't sound fair. But since when has being fair been a priority in big-time sports.

[yonas]

Thank you for telling us what is going to happen to the Chargers. Just becuase your not in San Diego, you would rather have them move. We have way more fans than LA does, so I can't see you guys supporting them like SD does.

And thank you for your Business insight, but I will leave it to the pros, and let them handle all the talk about how much revenue they can make. Some of you people just come on here to talk **** about SD and how we can't keep a team, once again there is a reason teams have left LA before. But anyway, I will let you bandwagon fans keep talkin about the LA chargers and what not. Just stop saying it is better for the Chargers to leave cause you don't know ****.

[LIGHTS OUT]

I am almost as big of a Detroit Pistons Fan as I am a Chargers fan, and they have a great situation there. The stadium is in Auburn Hills which is about an hour north of the actual city of Detriot. It is the perfect situation, fans don't mind driving a short distance from Detriot as they have sold out every game forever and everyone is happy. I would love to see the Chargers move up the coast a bit to Oceanside or some other smaller market as opposed to moving up to L.A. It would be horrible to call myself a Los Angeles Charger fan, actually I wouldn't! I would still be a San Diego Chargers fan no matter where they decide to play and I will proudly wear my San Diego gear no matter how outdated it looks!

[wikimama]

How do expect us to react when this is a SAN DIEGO Chargers message board and most of us live in SD county? Do you really think we are going to say "yeah they should move to LA". You only came to this board to stir things up.

[BoltFan31]

If this nightmare of a situation were to occur prepare for the second coming as the heavens above Mission Vally would split and take the Chargers with him before he lets them move..

[BoltFan31]

Its not all lost if there the National City Chargers

[kingbolt]

Hey Everyone! I hope you are all having a great Sunday. I see this topic is still going on. Well thats good. I think it will only get more intense over the next few years until the Chargers annouce their move to LA/OC sometime around late 2008 early 2009. I think a team like the Jags, Saints will announce their move 1st. One team will play in Los Angeles in the new Coloseum. This new Coloseum will be entirely new except the Par style end. This original 1932 structure which is part of the stadium where the Olympic torch is at. The Coloseum held two Olympic Games. The only Stadium in the world to ever hold two Olympic Games. Los Angeles has already made renderings of this new Coloseum and has the ok by all political officials in the city and state to proceed. This has been in the works for over 5 years. This will be part of the downtown renovation strip connecting Staples Center, USC, the new ESPN headquarters and city walk, along with the LA convention center and of course the new Coloseum with Dodger Stadium only 5 minutes away. In Anahiem, I think thats where the Chargers will end up. This will be also the new home of the NFL headquarters and state of the art new stadium just next to Angel Stadium. San Diego fans will still be able to take the train north and get off right in the parking lot of the stadium. It is a win win for SD fans still wanting to see their Chargers. San Diego will adjust and be very happy. These ideas have been talked about for years here in LA/OC. We saw this coming for years. LA/OC has 2 baseball teams, 2 basketball teams, 2 hockey teams, 2 major universities, many state of the art university sports complexes, state of the art cultural arts complexes, museums, zoos, 3 major amusement parks and the millions more I just don't have the time to put down in writing. Los Angeles is Rome, is Paris, is New York, London. Los Angeles is 2nd to none globally. Yes LA has its ugly spots. It has its ghettos, crime, corruption but what large Municipality doesn't. This move isn't about how green the grass is in San Diego nor new construction phases in Oceanside. I know San Diego very well. I would rather have a stadium 20 minutes south of me from Laguna Niguel in Oceanside but do you really believe a business man running a multi billion dollar business that he wants to leave to not only he's sons but grandchildren for generations would move his business to Oceanside, Chula Vista?????????????? Guys why not T.J. for that matter. Alcohol is cheaper there. And no guys LA/OC has had 2 football teams before and supported them very well. Thats why Al Davis said the biggest mistake he ever made was moving out of LA. And for Georgia, well the Rams still have there offices in LA for some reason. I don't think Georgia, John Shaw and the rest of the top front office people live in St. Louis. They all reside in LA. Georgia pimped the Rams to St. Louis for her need for cash just like Art Model did with Cleveland/Baltimore. The next time any of you guys take a trip to either Magic Mountain or Knotts Berry Farm or Disneyland take a little drive around and tell me where the ugly is. Go to anyone of LA's or OC's beach cities and tell me where the ugly is. Go to Beverly Hills, Malibu, Calabasas, Palos Verdes tell me where the ugly is. Go anywhere in Newport Beach, Laguna Nigual, Dana Point tell me where the ugly is. You guys say LA is all ghetto! Can't support a football team let alone 2. Oh and Dago81Sd, foty89 keep up the good fight. But in the next few years that spirit will erode. It will become clear as day and you will see what we all have been telling you. But until then keep believing in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and since your at it Santa Claus too. "If if and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry christmas" BOLTZ55 I will take that drink as long as my buddies ADIOS, KINGBOLT, and SEXNRASTA tag along.

I'll take a Corona please...

[mdsd77]

this stadium deal is bad for san diego.

let an outlying area build it.

San Diego is way behind when it comes to supporting itself.

its just the way it is.

and remember if the team leaves its NOT THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO'S fault.

they have a greater Fiscal responsibility, than to appease a sports franchises fan base.

the SD CHARGERS are a business plain and simple, if it was my company, and I could move from a County of 3 million to another Metropolitan area that has 20- 40 million people ....all you would see is the flames coming out of my arse !!

oh and go from a 26 share mkt to a #3 market....no wonder they want to leave.

I dont live here cause the Chargers play here, I live in the City of SD cause I want to.

[LABoltsFan]

While i agree with almost EVERYTHING you said in your post EXCEPT -
(the infrastructure assessments are "SPOT ON!") but...

1)Anaheim is growing tired of playing with the NFL. They are SERIOUSLY exploring developing the land proposed for an NFL stadium as APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

2)San Diego's last attempt of exploring the LA market was a miserable FAILURE. Their practices were up here, and the only people who showed were Raiders fans trying to taunt us.

3)Moving the Chargers to L.A. would NOT solidify the southern california market. it would divide it. (i've lived in both S.D. and l.a.... and i can speak from 25 years of s.d. experience that if the chargers move to l.a.... chargers fans will move on to bigger and better things on our SUNNY SUNDAY afternoons....
and...
L.A. will treat the games like a second class team. (think L.A. Clippers)....
(Low fan base kills Official Chargers Gear sales.)

4) NFL Politics will play a VERY BIG Part of which team is allowed to move to L.A....
- i've read that the Bills are the favorite as they were screwed on the new CBA.
- Al Davis has some weird voodoo hold on L.A.'s marketability (he's sued and won before).
- 49'ers are looking for a new home.
- Saints?

5) Coliseum Project - This $800 million dollar project will be financed by OWNER deep pockets AND loans from the NFL, VERY little will come from L.A. city coffers. Why would Dean Spanos want to shell out that much money and then still owe money afterwards, he's having troubles financing a stadium in s.d.?
also,
The Coliseum is considered a "temporary" location until they figure out the beauocracy, logistics and finances to rennovate the Rose Bowl. <_ this is a $500 million dollar project, that has tons of support from the College systems, NFL, etc, except the local voters.

[MiChargers]

this stadium deal is bad for san diego.


let an outlying area build it.

San Diego is way behind when it comes to supporting itself.

its just the way it is.

and remember if the team leaves its NOT THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO'S fault.

they have a greater Fiscal responsibility, than to appease a sports franchises fan base.

the SD CHARGERS are a business plain and simple, if it was my company, and I could move from a County of 3 million to another Metropolitan area that has 20- 40 million people ....all you would see is the flames coming out of my arse !!

oh and go from a 26 share mkt to a #3 market....no wonder they want to leave.

I dont live here cause the Chargers play here, I live in the City of SD cause I want to.


It's not the City of San Diegos fault?? It's ONLY the city's fault. I dont blame them (at this point) for not wanting to invest in a stadium, we couldnt absorb any further potential debt, but it's the CITY that put themselves in this financial crisis....nobody else. So, dont blame the Chargers, dont blame the fans. If you're looking to point fingers, the city and the corrupt goons that have been running it are to blame.

[hegor]

While i agree with almost EVERYTHING you said in your post EXCEPT -
(the infrastructure assessments are "SPOT ON!") but...

1)Anaheim is growing tired of playing with the NFL. They are SERIOUSLY exploring developing the land proposed for an NFL stadium as APARTMENT BUILDINGS.



As much as it would be easy for me to see a Bolts game if they moved to Anaheim. Ugh. That area is already going through explosive growth. The 22/57 freeway interchange there is a nightmare during rush hour. I can only imagine seeing the overhead shot of the Stadium as Bolts fans slowly crawl at 5 mph towards the stadium for a Monday night football game along with the rush hour traffic trying to get home.

Additionally, studies have already concluded that the particular area of Anaheim where the stadium would be built would earn more revenue from the high-priced loft style apartments and shops that was previously mentioned. So you can forget about an NFL calibur stadium in Anaheim.

[csfoster]

It's not the City of San Diegos fault?? It's ONLY the city's fault. I dont blame them (at this point) for not wanting to invest in a stadium, we couldnt absorb any further potential debt, but it's the CITY that put themselves in this financial crisis....nobody else. So, dont blame the Chargers, dont blame the fans. If you're looking to point fingers, the city and the corrupt goons that have been running it are to blame.

Why do fans and the general public continue to fail to understand that as proposed at Qualcomm, the new stadium does not and would not require the City of San Diego to "absorb any further potential debt"? It is very simple. The exchange of land does not require the City of San Diego to raise taxes, issues bonds, expend cash, or incur new public debt as part of building a new stadium. Period!

It is the public perception and belief in this misconception of "new public debt to be incurred" that is a major reason for the lack public pressure todate placed on our local politicians to make a good faith effort to get something done and thus allows them to simply ignore what is in the best interest of San Diego as a city and region:Bolt:

[ayehoto]

vote LT as the mayor.

he will stiff arm his opponents and all whoever opposes him.

[LA Chargers '07]

We have way more fans than LA does, so I can't see you guys supporting them like SD does.

But anyway, I will let you bandwagon fans keep talkin about the LA chargers and what not. Just stop saying it is better for the Chargers to leave cause you don't know ****.
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It would be horrible to call myself a Los Angeles Charger fan,
-posted by Lights Out
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First of all some of u guys seriously need to lighten up. I am a San Diego born and raised but have lived in LA for about 8 years now. And honestly after living here and being born and raised in SD I can honestly say that a lot of people in San Diego have this sort of skewed and bitter hatred for LA. Before moving to LA a lot of people would say to me "Why would u wanna move THERE!" or "There is gangs there!" or "There is too much traffic and smog there!" etc etc. Making me think LA was one big hellhole. The fact of the matter is though is that this is strictly a prejudiced that San Diegans somehow believe to be true.

Look dont get me wrong I love San Diego as my whole family is still there but after living in both cities I for one cannot understand why San Diegans have this weird view of LA. San Diego is better for certain things as well as LA is. But honestly guys there isnt too much difference between the 2 cities. This is still Southern California.

And i cant help but feel that this whole anger towards the Chargers -POSSIBLY- moving to LA is just because of the hatred San Diegans have of LA. To those people i ask would u rather have them move to San Antonio????? Or New Jersey???? So u can never see them again???? I dont see what the problem would be driving 2 hrs to a nice new stadium to see your team. Do u feel you'd have to 'share' your Chargers with LA bandwagoners??? Call them bandwagoners if u want but i'd call them new fans. Thus making us stronger in the eyes of other NFL fans.

I for one am for the Chargers staying in SD but if they move to LA I'd be the first to try and recruit new Charger fans out here. Honestly it's not a big deal to me either way. I drive 2 hrs to the game all the time and it's no big deal, in fact it adds to the fun of the experience for me. I understand why u guys want the team to stay in SD but some of u are more motivated by your hatred of LA rather than anything else. If the Chargers move to LA we would EVENTUALLY have a huge So. California fanbase as long as San Diego continued to support us.

Moving to LA would not 'taint' our team or 'corrupt' it. I know this is a touchy subject for most of u as i've even been warned about my username by a mod believe it or not. But honestly I'd be happy to see our teams fanbase grow and finally have a new state of the art stadium IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA!!!

Keep your prejudices at the door because they are truly ridiculous and continue to support our team that represents Southern California. I dont think any of u would want to have to buy new Charger jerseys that say San Antonio on them. LA is not as bad as u think folks and it's worth it for me to travel 2 hours south to continue to see the team I've stayed loyal to my whole life, and it should worth it for u guys to travel 2 hrs North to see your team if it has to come down to it.

[ayehoto]

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It would be horrible to call myself a Los Angeles Charger fan,
-posted by Lights Out
=====================================

First of all some of u guys seriously need to lighten up. I am a San Diego born and raised but have lived in LA for about 8 years now. And honestly after living here and being born and raised in SD I can honestly say that a lot of people in San Diego have this sort of skewed and bitter hatred for LA. Before moving to LA a lot of people would say to me "Why would u wanna move THERE!" or "There is gangs there!" or "There is too much traffic and smog there!" etc etc. Making me think LA was one big hellhole. The fact of the matter is though is that this is strictly a prejudiced that San Diegans somehow believe to be true.

Look dont get me wrong I love San Diego as my whole family is still there but after living in both cities I for one cannot understand why San Diegans have this weird view of LA. San Diego is better for certain things as well as LA is. But honestly guys there isnt too much difference between the 2 cities. This is still Southern California.

And i cant help but feel that this whole anger towards the Chargers -POSSIBLY- moving to LA is just because of the hatred San Diegans have of LA. To those people i ask would u rather have them move to San Antonio????? Or New Jersey???? So u can never see them again???? I dont see what the problem would be driving 2 hrs to a nice new stadium to see your team. Do u feel you'd have to 'share' your Chargers with LA bandwagoners??? Call them bandwagoners if u want but i'd call them new fans. Thus making us stronger in the eyes of other NFL fans.

I for one am for the Chargers staying in SD but if they move to LA I'd be the first to try and recruit new Charger fans out here. Honestly it's not a big deal to me either way. I drive 2 hrs to the game all the time and it's no big deal, in fact it adds to the fun of the experience for me. I understand why u guys want the team to stay in SD but some of u are more motivated by your hatred of LA rather than anything else. If the Chargers move to LA we would EVENTUALLY have a huge So. California fanbase as long as San Diego continued to support us.

Moving to LA would not 'taint' our team or 'corrupt' it. I know this is a touchy subject for most of u as i've even been warned about my username by a mod believe it or not. But honestly I'd be happy to see our teams fanbase grow and finally have a new state of the art stadium IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA!!!

Keep your prejudices at the door because they are truly ridiculous and continue to support our team that represents Southern California. I dont think any of u would want to have to buy new Charger jerseys that say San Antonio on them. LA is not as bad as u think folks and it's worth it for me to travel 2 hours south to continue to see the team I've stayed loyal to my whole life, and it should worth it for u guys to travel 2 hrs North to see your team if it has to come down to it.

...but all that smog might slow down LT when he runs in for a TD.

[LA Chargers '07]

...but all that smog might slow down LT when he runs in for a TD.

We'll call for a no Smog on Sunday law. Actually the bandwagon is getting slightly larger here as I know of a few 'new' Charger fans that were born and raised in LA. But the people I know who are born and raised San Diego that now live in LA are excited as ever this year. I meet them quite often when I wear my Chargers gear and they stop and talk to me about the team telling me how they're from SD. Seeing another person in Charger gear up here in Faider land is truly a special thing.

[csfoster]

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It would be horrible to call myself a Los Angeles Charger fan,
-posted by Lights Out
=====================================

First of all some of u guys seriously need to lighten up. I am a San Diego born and raised but have lived in LA for about 8 years now. And honestly after living here and being born and raised in SD I can honestly say that a lot of people in San Diego have this sort of skewed and bitter hatred for LA. Before moving to LA a lot of people would say to me "Why would u wanna move THERE!" or "There is gangs there!" or "There is too much traffic and smog there!" etc etc. Making me think LA was one big hellhole. The fact of the matter is though is that this is strictly a prejudiced that San Diegans somehow believe to be true.

Look dont get me wrong I love San Diego as my whole family is still there but after living in both cities I for one cannot understand why San Diegans have this weird view of LA. San Diego is better for certain things as well as LA is. But honestly guys there isnt too much difference between the 2 cities. This is still Southern California.

And i cant help but feel that this whole anger towards the Chargers -POSSIBLY- moving to LA is just because of the hatred San Diegans have of LA. To those people i ask would u rather have them move to San Antonio????? Or New Jersey???? So u can never see them again???? I dont see what the problem would be driving 2 hrs to a nice new stadium to see your team. Do u feel you'd have to 'share' your Chargers with LA bandwagoners??? Call them bandwagoners if u want but i'd call them new fans. Thus making us stronger in the eyes of other NFL fans.

I for one am for the Chargers staying in SD but if they move to LA I'd be the first to try and recruit new Charger fans out here. Honestly it's not a big deal to me either way. I drive 2 hrs to the game all the time and it's no big deal, in fact it adds to the fun of the experience for me. I understand why u guys want the team to stay in SD but some of u are more motivated by your hatred of LA rather than anything else. If the Chargers move to LA we would EVENTUALLY have a huge So. California fanbase as long as San Diego continued to support us.

Moving to LA would not 'taint' our team or 'corrupt' it. I know this is a touchy subject for most of u as i've even been warned about my username by a mod believe it or not. But honestly I'd be happy to see our teams fanbase grow and finally have a new state of the art stadium IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA!!!

Keep your prejudices at the door because they are truly ridiculous and continue to support our team that represents Southern California. I dont think any of u would want to have to buy new Charger jerseys that say San Antonio on them. LA is not as bad as u think folks and it's worth it for me to travel 2 hours south to continue to see the team I've stayed loyal to my whole life, and it should worth it for u guys to travel 2 hrs North to see your team if it has to come down to it.

It has nothing to do with hating LA rather it has everything to do with loving my home team. It is as simple as that and so for me, I will no longer have the same great passion or time for this team or the NFL if any at all if the Chargers are no longer my home team San Diego Chargers.

[LA Chargers '07]

It has nothing to do with hating LA rather it has everything to do with loving my home team. It is as simple as that and so for me, I will no longer have the same great passion or time for this team or the NFL if any at all if the Chargers are no longer my home team San Diego Chargers.

I can understand that. Honestly though I dont think they'd move to LA anyway. I hear that moving ANY type of proffessional team to LA in the near future would be next to impossible. About 2 mos. ago I remember reading an article in the paper that headlined something to the effect "NFL's future in LA looks grim" and it outlined all the reasons why LA couldnt have a football team in LA in the near future. I'm thinking Anaheim could have a shot and they really want a team. That Disney money could buy real estate in heaven if it needed to.

All in all though I hope National City or Oceanside can work something out for our boys.

[Thunderstruck21]

I can understand that. Honestly though I dont think they'd move to LA anyway. I hear that moving ANY type of proffessional team to LA in the near future would be next to impossible. About 2 mos. ago I remember reading an article in the paper that headlined something to the effect "NFL's future in LA looks grim" and it outlined all the reasons why LA couldnt have a football team in LA in the near future. I'm thinking Anaheim could have a shot and they really want a team. That Disney money could buy real estate in heaven if it needed to.

All in all though I hope National City or Oceanside can work something out for our boys.

The chargers arent moving to Oceanside(i live there) i really want them to but there is no way that is happening. I really think its Chula Vista, then maybe national City.

[LA Chargers '07]

The chargers arent moving to Oceanside(i live there) i really want them to but there is no way that is happening. I really think its Chula Vista, then maybe national City.

U ever go on the Breeze bus to the game??? The onme that leaves from Mission ave??? I've ridden it 3 times this season. Easier drive back to LA from there plus the hour long bus ride back to the transit center is perfect for a postgame sober up. Will the Breeze bus be running for the playoff games do u know????