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FanSince1979
11-13-2005, 01:26 PM
Pre-Draft Profiles of Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, provided by http://nfldraftscout.com (http://nfldraftscout.com/)

#15 QB Drew Brees, Purdue, 6-0/213/4.83
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2001
Projected Round: 1-2
Rated number 2 out of 28 QB's

Overview
The unquestioned leader of the Boilermakers’ offense and one of the school’s most decorated athletes...The three-year starter shattered virtually every school passing record and also made his marks on the Big Ten Conference and NCAA Division 1-A record charts...Ranks fourth in NCAA annals with 1525 pass attempts, 942 pass completions and 11,815 yards in total offense (NCAA does not recognize bowl stats)...Including post-season action, he holds the Boilermaker and conference career-records with 1026 completions of 1678 passes for 11,792 yards, 90 touchdown tosses and 12,692 yards in total offense...His pass completion percentage of .611 set another Purdue all-time record...Only player in Big Ten Conference history to throw for over 500 yards in a game twice in a career...Threw for over 400 yards seven times, over 300 yards sixteen times and over 200 yards twenty-seven times during his career...Tied Wisconsin tailback Ron Dayne’s (1996-99) Big Ten Conference record by earning Player of the Week honors eight times during his career.

Analysis
Positives... Touch passer with the ability to read and diagnose defensive coverages...Confident leader who knows how to take command in the huddle...Very tough and mobile moving around in the pocket...Has a quick setup and is very effective throwing on the move... Throws across his body with great consistency...Hits receivers in stride and improvises his throws in order to make a completion...Puts good zip behind the short and mid-range passes...Shows good judgement and keen field vision...Has a take-charge attitude and is very cool under pressure...Hits receivers in motion with impressive velocity...Has superb pocket presence and uses all of his offensive weapons in order to move the chains...Has solid body mechanics and quickness moving away from center...Elusive scrambler with the body control to avoid the rush.
Negatives...Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun...Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws...Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.

Combine Results
Height: 6' 0"
Weight: 213
40 Yard Dash: 4.83
20 Yard Dash: 2.75
10 Yard Dash: 1.66
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.21
3-Cone Drill: 7.09
Vertical Jump: 32"
Broad Jump: 8'9"
Wonderlic: 34

Campus Agility Tests
40-yard dash: 4.67
Bench press: 275 lbs.
Squat: 475 lbs.
Power Clean: 275 lbs.
Arm length: 31 ”
Hands: 10”

#17 QB Philip Rivers, North Carolina State, 6-5/229/5.08
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2004
Projected Round: 1
Rated number 3 out of 57 QB's

Overview
The second-leading passer in NCAA history with 13,484 career passing yards, breaking school and Atlantic Coast Conference records, he also set an NCAA record with 51 career starts at quarterback...Philip finished second in NCAA history with 13,582 career yards of total offense...He tied for fifth in NCAA history with 95 career touchdown passes and also broke school and ACC career-records for passing attempts (1710), pass completions (1147), touchdowns responsible for (112), 300-yard passing games (18) and 400-yard passing games (7)...Philip started all 51 games (including 2000-01 bowls) of his four years and threw for at least 100 yards in every contest while posting a 34-17 career record as the starter. He is the first quarterback in ACC history, and the seventh in the history of the NCAA, to throw for 3000 yards in three different seasons...He completed 110 of 161 passes in four bowl games for 1,202 yards, 10 touchdowns, three interceptions and rushed for 65 yards...His jersey number 17 was retired before his last home game, (11/22/03) vs. Maryland...The most decorated passer in school annals, he also excelled in the class room, graduating with a degree in Business (12/18/03), four days before suiting up for the final time for the Wolf- pack.

Analysis
Positives...Has a tall, linear build with adequate body thickness and good size for his position...Shows good arm strength and velocity...Very smart athlete who makes proper judgements (rarely throws into traffic)...Has great poise and pocket presence, as he will stand tall and deliver under pressure...Takes control in the huddle and is very respected by his teammates...Displays above average ball placement in the short area passing game and throws a very catchable ball, knowing exactly when to zip the pigskin and when to show touch...Has a natural feel for when he needs to slide out of the pocket and avoid the pass rush...seems to always be in sync with his receivers, doing an excellent job in timing his tosses and anticipating when to hit his targets in stride...Has a keen understanding of the offense, keeiping his head on a swivel as he checks down the line...Vocal leader who words hard in the weight room and practices...Highly competitive type who is not afraid to "mix it up" when defenders get over-aggressive...Has the body strength to fight off pressure and get free from the blitz...More comfortable in the short-to-intermediate passing game, displaying incredible accuracy..Not fast, but can buy time with his feet and maintains his accuracy throwing on the move (his precision allows him to squeeze the ball into tight areas)...Will need mechanical refinement, but much like Brett Favre, this kid is a flat-out winner.
Negatives...Won't ever hurt you by running the ball, but has enough foot quickness and hip swerve to elude the rush and throw on the move...Needs to work on his foot quickness in his drops, but has made steady improvement in recent years...Throws the ball with a sidearm motion, but he can improvise and make plays with his creativity...Will struggle with his long tosses, as the ball will sail and hang on him (his best way to get the ball deep is through an awkward wind-up delivery)...His unorthodox style sees him keep the ball at his waist, displaying a low release, but he has good timing.

Combine Results
Wonderlic: 30

Campus Agility Tests
40-yard dash: 5.08
Bench press: 375 lbs.
Power clean: 290 lbs.
Vertical jump: 33"
Broad jump: 9'8"
Arm length: 31 1/4"
Wonderlic: 29/35
Right handed

riverhead
11-13-2005, 02:33 PM
Good QB stuff Fan. Thanks. We certainly have two well rated QBs.

FanSince1979
11-13-2005, 10:45 PM
What I find interesting is that Brees used to take advantage of QB scrambling/running opportunities at Purdue, but he rarely does that with the Chargers. There are a number of times where he could have picked up a first down for the Bolts by running the ball, but doesn't seem to even consider it.

He ran a 4.67 40-yard dash at the combine, not exactly blazing speed, but not that slow either.

Brees' Rush Yards for Purdue:
Year/NO/YARDS/AVG/TD
1997/10/9/0.9/2
1998/69/193/2.8/3
1999/79/177/2.2/4
2000/95/521/5.5/5

I would like to see Drew take advantage of scrambling opportunities when the WR's are covered and their is space to run.

PaCkMaN
11-13-2005, 10:53 PM
interesting stats there, I find it interesting that PR benches 100lbs more than drew. Also that they have the same arm length.

Boltjolt
11-13-2005, 11:05 PM
Drew doesnt run a 4.67 40....thats the first ive ever seen of it. He is usually in the 4.85 range and that number there(4.67) was from his campus , not the combine.

Phillip is a very strong guy and did 25 reps of 225 lbs at the combine, or his proday workout. For a QB, thats pretty good. He beat a lot of RB's in that department.


Not sure why you posted scouting reports from college though. We know they both had very good college careers.

BCBoltFan
11-13-2005, 11:25 PM
interesting stats there, I find it interesting that PR benches 100lbs more than drew. Also that they have the same arm length.
Good read '79. The stats I also found interesting are;
the campus 40 times 4.67 Brees- 5.08 PR and the
wonderlic- 34 Brees 30 or 29 PR.
Rivers sounds so promising from his college #'s

FanSince1979
11-14-2005, 12:01 AM
Drew doesnt run a 4.67 40....thats the first ive ever seen of it. He is usually in the 4.85 range and that number there(4.67) was from his campus , not the combine.

Phillip is a very strong guy and did 25 reps of 225 lbs at the combine, or his proday workout. For a QB, thats pretty good. He beat a lot of RB's in that department.


Not sure why you posted scouting reports from college though. We know they both had very good college careers.
Oh right, I accidentally said Combine, instead of Campus Agility Test. I stand corrected. My point is, however, that he used to scramble in college, and does that rarely now.

FanSince1979
11-14-2005, 12:21 AM
Good read '79. The stats I also found interesting are;
the campus 40 times 4.67 Brees- 5.08 PR and the
wonderlic- 34 Brees 30 or 29 PR.
Rivers sounds so promising from his college #'s
Absolutely BCBoltFan, both Rivers and Brees were stud QB's in college. I think that Rivers is more durable, and Brees is more mobile. However, what Rivers lacks in speed, compared to Brees, he makes up for in size.

I love both these guys. I've made angry posts in the past about Rivers, but that is just because I felt Big Ben was the best QB in the draft - nothing against Rivers - and because Rivers held out.

That doesn't mean, however, that I don't see great promise in Rivers. In fact, right now as I'm talking, I'm watching the NCST vs. FSU game for like the 6th time.

BTW, I just bought this new recorder with a hard drive, DVD recorder and VCR recorder. If anybody has VCR recording(s) of NCST games, when Philip Rivers was playing, and you want them transfered to DVD, please let me know. Just send me the VHS tape, I'll copy it to DVD, and send a copy of the DVD to the sender. Just send me a private IM if you are interested in doing that. What I get in return, ofcourse, is a copy of the games. And what you get in return is a longer lasting version of the game on DVD.

Blitz_56
11-14-2005, 08:13 PM
Fansince1979...I just PM'd Riverhead about film of PR in college. I would LOVE to see anything you have...please please please consider sending me anything...I'll PAY. Are you talking about the NC State vs FSU game that ended 50-44? What a game...please let me know

FanSince1979
11-15-2005, 10:25 AM
Fansince1979...I just PM'd Riverhead about film of PR in college. I would LOVE to see anything you have...please please please consider sending me anything...I'll PAY. Are you talking about the NC State vs FSU game that ended 50-44? What a game...please let me know
Ya, that's the game. I taped a replay of the game a few months ago, and converted it to DVD this Sunday. I'm loving that I can convert my VHS taps to DVD. I'm hoping to receive a private PM from Riverhead, because I'm sure he has quite a bit of tape on Philip Rivers.

riverhead
11-15-2005, 03:54 PM
Fansince1979...I just PM'd Riverhead about film of PR in college. I would LOVE to see anything you have...please please please consider sending me anything...I'll PAY. Are you talking about the NC State vs FSU game that ended 50-44? What a game...please let me know

702,

As funny as this sounds, I have not one taped PR game from NCSU. Just watched him every week during the season. He always played and he pretty much lit it up every week.

I will look around for you though.:Beer:

Riversrat
11-19-2005, 08:44 PM
I have the Tangerine Bowl. Rivers and Cothery's last game.

Does anyone have the Senior Bowl?