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mwooten
12-14-2005, 10:08 PM
I know everyone speculates different free agents coming to SD, and I really don't like to get into the hypothetical signings, but it looks like Eric Moulds is done in Buffalo. He was drafted by Butler/AJ, so I wonder if the Chargers would bring him here. He will probably be the one of the most sought after WR free agents this off season (more than T.O. I'm sure). He is definitely a playmaker and would be a great addition.

Chargeroo
12-14-2005, 10:12 PM
I know everyone speculates different free agents coming to SD, and I really don't like to get into the hypothetical signings, but it looks like Eric Moulds is done in Buffalo. He was drafted by Butler/AJ, so I wonder if the Chargers would bring him here. He will probably be the one of the most sought after WR free agents this off season (more than T.O. I'm sure). He is definitely a playmaker and would be a great addition.You think they'll let him go over this? I think they'll kiss and make up. If they don't, he sure is a good WR - better than any we have. I suppose it'd depend on the salary he's asking for? He sure hasn't had a good year so who knows?

mwooten
12-14-2005, 10:13 PM
I think his lack of production has a lot to do with who is throwing him the ball...I don't know if he'll leave or not, but I sure wouldn't mind him in SD.

SinCityBoltFan
12-14-2005, 10:16 PM
Last time i checked, AJ likes under the radar veterans. Moulds will ask for wayy too much. Doubt AJ would want too pay too much for a vet WR when we already have Keenan

JoeMcRugby
12-14-2005, 10:16 PM
I would hope they look in a direction to acquire a younger impact WR than the 33 year old Moulds next offseason whose yards per catch has decreased every year for 8 consecutive seasons.

McCardell, Parker, Gates and Caldwell are all averaging more yardage per catch in 2005 than Moulds has achieved in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005.

SinCityBoltFan
12-14-2005, 10:20 PM
Still think we should tag Brees and Trade for Round 1DP, and the young Anquan Boldin whose speed and strength fits our offense

mwooten
12-14-2005, 10:23 PM
I would hope they look in a direction to acquire a younger impact WR than the 33 year old Moulds next offseason whose yards per catch has decreased every year for 8 consecutive seasons.

McCardell, Parker, Gates and Caldwell are all averaging more yardage per catch in 2005 than Moulds has achieved in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005.
I agree. Just pointing out how AJ was a part of management when Moulds came in, so I don't know what if any relationship he has with him. I do agree that he probably will be pretty expensive, and for his age, maybe not worth it. I think he can still be an excellent player in the right situation, however.

TBOLTZCALI
12-14-2005, 10:23 PM
Whats wrong with the 33 year old Moulds? He has experience...just like a guy on our team now...isnt Kmac like 37 or something like that? But ive said it all along. we do need an impact receiver and eveyone has doubted me on this. We need a receiver other than gates to be a threat. Someone opposing teams have to game plan around other than L.T and Gates.

SinCityBoltFan
12-14-2005, 10:28 PM
Boldis is an impact player, built similar to Gates. The fact that we have an old guy on one side is the reason why we cannot on the other. Look at the 2001 Raiders. One good season, then age caught up with their WR's

Podium
12-14-2005, 10:28 PM
I don't know about Moulds. About a month ago, word was that Buffalo would cut ties with him in all likelihood after this season. Then he refuses to go in against the game against Miami after Losman threw 3 TDs to Evans. Could become a cancer.

JoeMcRugby
12-14-2005, 10:29 PM
Whats wrong with the 33 year old Moulds? He has experience...just like a guy on our team now...isnt Kmac like 37 or something like that? But ive said it all along. we do need an impact receiver and eveyone has doubted me on this. We need a receiver other than gates to be a threat. Someone opposing teams have to game plan around other than L.T and Gates.

Exactly. The Chargers don't NEED another aging WR on the team right now. They already have an experienced route runner in McCardell.

As for everybody doubting you about needing an impact receiver, I don't believe that's the case. At least half the board has been screaming for one over the past year.

TBOLTZCALI
12-14-2005, 10:30 PM
K mac could of been cancer. didnt he hold out on the bucs? Understand change of scenario sometimes works. Who wouldnt want to come to sunny san diego in december rather than the cold frigid temps other places.

SinCityBoltFan
12-14-2005, 10:33 PM
Boldin
Boldin
Boldin

Podium
12-14-2005, 10:33 PM
K mac could of been cancer. didnt he hold out on the bucs? Understand change of scenario sometimes works. Who wouldnt want to come to sunny san diego in december rather than the cold frigid temps other places.

That's true but, I think that there is a huge difference between holding out (which most players do) and refusing to go back into a game because the other WR has caught 3 TD passes.

JoeMcRugby
12-14-2005, 10:34 PM
K mac could of been cancer. didnt he hold out on the bucs? Understand change of scenario sometimes works. Who wouldnt want to come to sunny san diego in december rather than the cold frigid temps other places.

Totally different scenario with KMac.

He was known as a consumate team player for a dozen years who held out when management reneged on the promise Jon Gruden made to him that the Bucs would redo his deal following the 2003 season.

It was a matter of principle to him. Once he was traded to a team that had not broken its promise, he was content in playing out the remainder of the contract.

During his 14 year career, you'll never find one play during a game where KMac refused to go on the field when asked by his coaches.

JoeMcRugby
12-14-2005, 10:35 PM
Boldin
Boldin
Boldin

What are the Cards going to demand for Boldin? Keep in mind that the Cards have all but decided to bring back Warner as their QB for 2006.

Or do you think they'll be stupid enough to give him away for a song and a dance (and maybe they are ;) )?

SinCityBoltFan
12-14-2005, 10:36 PM
Can't argue with that one

Podium
12-14-2005, 10:38 PM
What are the Cards going to demand for Boldin? Keep in mind that the Cards have all but decided to bring back Warner as their QB for 2006.

Or do you think they'll be stupid enough to give him away for a song and a dance (and maybe they are ;) )?

I'm not sold on Warner as an above average QB anymore. Good fantasy QB, but he seems to have 300 yard passing games with 1 TD or so.

That TD last week shouldn't even be credited to him. Boldin running that TD in reminded me of that T-Mac commercial where the whole crowd is trying to stop him from scoring.

SinCityBoltFan
12-14-2005, 10:42 PM
Drew Brees = Anquan Boldin + 1st rounder
young = younger + top 10

Podium
12-14-2005, 10:43 PM
They're not giving up on Losman just yet. And that's not fair value at all.

That's like trading Phillip Rivers for Jerry Rice.

TBOLTZCALI
12-14-2005, 10:47 PM
Regardless, I still think they need another receiver. E.P is nothing but clutch. Reche is...well you know. V.J is going to be a possesion receiver. We need an anquan boldin to help our wr squad become a triple thread. Obviously right now NOBODY fears our receivers. Thats why the smart teams that we played got to blitz all day and keep man coverage or even zone. They know our receivers arent deep threats besides gates. Just the presence of such receiver can change a game plan for the opposing team. Right now, everyones game plan is to stop L.T. and gates. You stop L.T, you force the chargers to throw. Last game, L.T was stuffed. thats why the chargers threw the hell out of the ball. And why do you think they ran 5-10 yard routes. The only deep pass i saw was the one to E.P. and only cuz they had to. They dont have that threat. K Mac is a great receiver, dont get me wrong. He has proved it. But he is aging and doesnt dominate the game like we need.

Podium
12-14-2005, 10:49 PM
Antwaan Randle El, Reggie Wayne, Az Hakim, Peter Warrick

TBOLTZCALI
12-14-2005, 10:50 PM
nice list.

Podium
12-14-2005, 10:51 PM
Oops, forgot to say that they'll all be UFA's this offseason.

SinCityBoltFan
12-14-2005, 11:02 PM
Nice young guys
Nice big salaries
No way these guys play for chargers.
Hakim? Warrick? Maybe.
Niether of our QB's are known for their remarkable arms. They are known for accuracy. They need a big WR (Boldin) who can run after the catch and break some tackles

JoeMcRugby
12-14-2005, 11:07 PM
I'm not sold on Warner as an above average QB anymore. Good fantasy QB, but he seems to have 300 yard passing games with 1 TD or so.

That TD last week shouldn't even be credited to him. Boldin running that TD in reminded me of that T-Mac commercial where the whole crowd is trying to stop him from scoring.

You're not, but Denny Green is.

And, more importantly to Chargers fans, he loves deep throwing QBs. Neither Brees nor PR fit Denny Green's QB mold.

dfioc
12-14-2005, 11:11 PM
Nice young guys
Nice big salaries
No way these guys play for chargers.
Hakim? Warrick? Maybe.
Niether of our QB's are known for their remarkable arms. They are known for accuracy. They need a big WR (Boldin) who can run after the catch and break some tackles

I don't agree. Dino has shown every indication he'll spend whatever he can to get the talent his football people say they need. With this offensive scheme and the talent in place, why wouldn't a Reggie Wayne or Randle El want to come here? And Brees may not have Favre arm strength but who does? I hate that rap on him because it's not true.

Personally, Wayne is my first choice. The more I see him play, the more I can see him tearing it up in a Bolts powder blue....

Chargeroo
12-14-2005, 11:14 PM
I would hope they look in a direction to acquire a younger impact WR than the 33 year old Moulds next offseason whose yards per catch has decreased every year for 8 consecutive seasons.

McCardell, Parker, Gates and Caldwell are all averaging more yardage per catch in 2005 than Moulds has achieved in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005.Hmm, that an interesting fact. I had no idea his numbers had dropped that much. Part of it is the QB's and o-lines in Buffalo, I suppose but his wheels may be slowing up now too.

SinCityBoltFan
12-14-2005, 11:15 PM
Joe how do you suppose we get a great reciever the "AJ way"

JoeMcRugby
12-15-2005, 12:28 AM
Joe how do you suppose we get a great reciever the "AJ way"
You go to a team that is desparate for a QB if you're looking at acquiring one in a trade for PR/Brees.

The Cards aren't desparate, neither Brees nor PR fit Green's profile for a QB and Boldin is one of two "untouchable" players on the Cards' roster (Fitzgerald being the other).

However, teams like the Fins (how does Chambers sound), Ravens, Lions, Bears, Jets and Saints may be willing to give up a high profile WR along with a high draft pick to solve their QB woes.

Unrestricted free agency is a lot more expensive way to fill it, but if PR is still on the Chargers roster in 2006, there should be enough room if the right WR is available on the market.

And although a top notch WR is a "want" in my eyes, the "needs" for the Chargers are at OT, strong safety and ILB. Fill those holes and the current Chargers WR corps is a lot more satisfactory.

BCBoltFan
12-15-2005, 12:38 AM
You go to a team that is desparate for a QB if you're looking at acquiring one in a trade for PR/Brees.

The Cards aren't desparate, neither Brees nor PR fit Green's profile for a QB and Boldin is one of two "untouchable" players on the Cards' roster (Fitzgerald being the other).

However, teams like the Fins (how does Chambers sound), Ravens, Lions, Bears, Jets and Saints may be willing to give up a high profile WR along with a high draft pick to solve their QB woes.

Unrestricted free agency is a lot more expensive way to fill it, but if PR is still on the Chargers roster in 2006, there should be enough room if the right WR is available on the market.

And although a top notch WR is a "want" in my eyes, the "needs" for the Chargers are at OT, strong safety and ILB. Fill those holes and the current Chargers WR corps is a lot more satisfactory.
I agree... even without the long ball and some O-line issues , we're putting up nice receiving yard #'s and TD's. And we're still developing VJ, Osgood and Krause.

WakkaWakkaWakka
12-15-2005, 12:42 AM
I'd be more worried about resigning Osgood first before getting a premier free agent wide reciever if one does come about, and the only one I'm thinking of is Reggie Wayne and Wayne may have the franchise tag placed on him.

Moulds is a good reciever but he doesn't suit our needs, plain and simple.

Let's hope some other recievers become FA's in the offseason.

laschwa
12-15-2005, 08:07 AM
i live in toronto and listen to the buffalo sports radio everyday.

and believe me, moulds is gone after this season.

i'm not promoting moulds (i'd rather have a younger WR) but just to set the record straight:

he is a team player. this was his first time speaken out in 10 years.
plus, he is a very different style player than mccardel.

he's a big, strong, and fast (at least he was) WR.

he stretches the field - or at least he used to. with the difficulties on offense for them, it's hard to determine whether it's moulds or the system/qb.

all that said, i'd rather have chambers or wayne

btw - i just read that moss might be released at the end of the season. he seems to have turned the corner in his attitude. just throwing it out there.

JoeMcRugby
12-15-2005, 08:20 AM
I'd be more worried about resigning Osgood first before getting a premier free agent wide reciever if one does come about, and the only one I'm thinking of is Reggie Wayne and Wayne may have the franchise tag placed on him.

What is the "worry" about re-signing Osgood? All it will take is a few dollars more than the veteran's league minimum to bring him back. And if Kassim opts to go elsewhere to "prove" he's more than a number 4 / number 5 WR, all the best to him.

As for Wayne: the franchise tag will likely be placed on Edgerin James. If Wayne wants to go on the market, he'll be able to do so.

But after seeing all of the failures over the years of number two WRs going to other teams to be a "number one", Wayne might opt to take a very good contract offer from the Colts and not go on the market.

WakkaWakkaWakka
12-15-2005, 10:41 AM
First priority should be to sign osgood, as easy as that may be he does need to be resigned because he did provide a big role in special teams.

But yeah I also see Edge getting the tag just as much as Wayne could, just glad only one can get it.

JCDavey
12-15-2005, 10:43 AM
Still think we should tag Brees and Trade for Round 1DP, and the young Anquan Boldin whose speed and strength fits our offense

i don't think even zona would be stupid enough to trade a wr as good as boldin

JCDavey
12-15-2005, 10:45 AM
Drew Brees = Anquan Boldin + 1st rounder
young = younger + top 10

that's crazy talk

JCDavey
12-15-2005, 10:47 AM
Antwaan Randle El, Reggie Wayne, Az Hakim, Peter Warrick

that sounds alot more realistic

drangus
12-15-2005, 02:11 PM
I would hope they look in a direction to acquire a younger impact WR than the 33 year old Moulds next offseason whose yards per catch has decreased every year for 8 consecutive seasons.

McCardell, Parker, Gates and Caldwell are all averaging more yardage per catch in 2005 than Moulds has achieved in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005.

I usually agree with you joe but this time I have to go in a different direction--in this day when players are taking care of their bodies so well they are extending their strong years further--moulds is in great shape, he is not injury prone, is a great route runner, a leader, he could produce for another 4 years at a high level (especially on a team with gates, LT, Kmac, parker), I see this guy using his experience to expoit all of the mismatches that the others create

brees has always been partial to veteran WR's--it devastated him when the chargers parted ways with curtis conway in 2003-conway was his favorite target at that time--Brees trusts the older guys

also don't forget what a good blocker moulds is that is crucial for the running game

moulds would make a big impact here--perhaps bigger than in other offenses and if he comes here he would do so knowing that he is not going to be the go to guy-I don't see this guy becoming a cancer instead he would be a huge asset to this team

drangus
12-17-2005, 06:46 PM
anyone else for moulds?

TBOLTZCALI
12-17-2005, 10:35 PM
I think Moulds could fit into our system. He is an upgrade to our WR core.

SDFaiderHater
12-17-2005, 10:53 PM
Whats wrong with the 33 year old Moulds? He has experience...just like a guy on our team now...isnt Kmac like 37 or something like that? But ive said it all along. we do need an impact receiver and eveyone has doubted me on this. We need a receiver other than gates to be a threat. Someone opposing teams have to game plan around other than L.T and Gates.

not everyone has disagreed with you, i think alot of us agree that we need a good young WR, but there are more pressing needs right now then drafting a WR in the first round.

SDFaiderHater
12-17-2005, 10:58 PM
You go to a team that is desparate for a QB if you're looking at acquiring one in a trade for PR/Brees.

The Cards aren't desparate, neither Brees nor PR fit Green's profile for a QB and Boldin is one of two "untouchable" players on the Cards' roster (Fitzgerald being the other).

However, teams like the Fins (how does Chambers sound), Ravens, Lions, Bears, Jets and Saints may be willing to give up a high profile WR along with a high draft pick to solve their QB woes.

Unrestricted free agency is a lot more expensive way to fill it, but if PR is still on the Chargers roster in 2006, there should be enough room if the right WR is available on the market.

And although a top notch WR is a "want" in my eyes, the "needs" for the Chargers are at OT, strong safety and ILB. Fill those holes and the current Chargers WR corps is a lot more satisfactory.

i think with another year of offseason workouts, and training camp, cooper will be a fine replacement for godfrey, and hes young...our major needs right now go Safety(cough cough, michael Huff...cough cough) and then OT-OG. i like Dielmans intensity, but that side right now with him and Jordan leave a lot to be desired.

Valentino Rossi
12-17-2005, 11:02 PM
Eric Moulds=Garbage on bills.

Chargeroo
12-17-2005, 11:14 PM
Eric Moulds=Garbage on bills.I can't let that pass. Moulds has had several seasons over 1000 yards, including last season. This year the Bills have played the young QB so I wouldn't blame any of their receivers for a drop off. I also notice that the Bills o-line is none to good. Iwouldn't mind it if they added Moulds. I say that knowing that AJ would only consider doing that if his price was right.

baphamet
12-17-2005, 11:25 PM
i wouldn't mind us picking up moulds, just as log as we upgrade at OL and hopefully pick up a good safety.

i truly believe with the chargers salary cap, next season with the right additions we can make a serious run for the superbowl.

so as long as we get moulds for a reasonable price, i think its would be a good addition to a team looking to go to the superbowl for the next few years.

mikeavo22
12-18-2005, 10:30 AM
I think Moulds would be great in SD.

Send Rivers to Baltimore and we can take either Ed Reed or Chris McCalister and a draft pick.

Use our picks to fix the OL and possibly a LB. I'll be upset if we waste another draft pick on the secondary....!!!

GO CHARGERS

BOLTS 34
COLTS 27

BCBoltFan
02-26-2006, 10:35 AM
Bills | Agent says no pay cut for Moulds
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:25:50

Allen Wilson, of the Buffalo News, reports Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds' agent, Harry Henderson, said his client has no intention of taking a pay cut to remain with the Bills. "I don't think that's an option at all," Henderson told The Buffalo News at the NFL Combine. "He's under contract, so they should pay him. If they want to reduce him, I just don't think he's going to be there." Moulds is scheduled to count $10.85 million against the Bills' 2006 salary cap. The Bills were hoping Moulds would restructure his contract to lower that cap number. Henderson is scheduled to speak to Jim Overdorf, the Bills' vice president of football operations and lead contract negotiator, over the telephone Monday, Feb. 27. His release could come this week as the NFL's new cap year begins Friday, March 3. Henderson said Moulds is prepared for the possibility of being let go. Cutting Moulds would save the Bills $5.5 million against the cap, but he would still count as $5.3 million.

kffl.com (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl)

DEboltsfan
02-26-2006, 11:23 AM
If Eric Moulds were to hit the market that should be the WR we should pursue, if we were going to pursue a WR. He is a solid vet and would be a nice compliment to K-Mac.

Chargeroo
02-26-2006, 11:30 AM
I like Eric Moulds but I think he's mistaken if he believes he'll get more than 5.3 mil. from someone else. If you look at his stats you'll see a steady decline in his catches and yards. He's in his 30's now and factoring in his stats and age I doubt he'll be offered that much elsewhere. I think his agent is giving him bad advice.

Boltman19
02-26-2006, 11:33 AM
I know everyone speculates different free agents coming to SD, and I really don't like to get into the hypothetical signings, but it looks like Eric Moulds is done in Buffalo. He was drafted by Butler/AJ, so I wonder if the Chargers would bring him here. He will probably be the one of the most sought after WR free agents this off season (more than T.O. I'm sure). He is definitely a playmaker and would be a great addition.

No, sorry, he said he wanted to play his whole carrer as a Bill.

I wouldn't mind him though.

Boltz2175
02-26-2006, 02:53 PM
If we can grab Moulds in free agency then maybe we could spend another pick in the draft on an Offensive Lineman!

56lightsout56
02-26-2006, 03:21 PM
From today's "The Buffalo News" newspaper:

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060226/1017784.asp


No pay cut for Moulds, agent says

Bills receiver's exit more likely as cap looms

By ALLEN WILSON
News Sports Reporter
2/26/2006 http://www.buffalonews.com/images/space.gifhttp://www.buffalonews.com/images/space.gifhttp://www.buffalonews.com/graphics/2006/02/26/0226moulds.jpgEric Moulds is scheduled to count $10.85 million against the salary cap.
INDIANAPOLIS - The chances of wide receiver Eric Moulds staying with the Buffalo Bills were already slim. Now his departure appears a virtual certainty.
Moulds' agent, Harry Henderson, said his client has no intention of taking a pay cut to remain with the Bills.
"I don't think that's an option at all," Henderson told The Buffalo News at the NFL Scouting Combine. "He's under contract, so they should pay him. If they want to reduce him, I just don't think he's going to be there."
Moulds, signed through 2007, is scheduled to count $10.85 million against the Bills' 2006 salary cap. The Bills were hoping the 10-year veteran would restructure his contract to lower that cap number.
Henderson is scheduled to speak to Jim Overdorf, the Bills' vice president of football operations and lead contract negotiator, over the telephone Monday. But Henderson's position won't change.
"We signed the contract, and the intent is stay with and play it out until the contract is completed," he said. "If they don't want to do it, we can't control that." Cutting Moulds would save the Bills $5.5 million against the cap, but he would still count as $5.3 million. Bills General Manager Marv Levy has said in the past the Bills might be able to keep Moulds at his present cap number. But Levy can't guarantee it.

psychofan
02-27-2006, 03:41 PM
It dosn't really matter how great of a playmaker he is if he's going to retire in the next 3-4 years. We should get a playmaker who is still in his mid 20's so that they'll be around for awhile.

CBO
02-27-2006, 04:06 PM
It dosn't really matter how great of a playmaker he is if he's going to retire in the next 3-4 years. We should get a playmaker who is still in his mid 20's so that they'll be around for awhile.

If he is going to be good for 3-4more years I would pick him up.

loweezy
02-28-2006, 12:51 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2347382

With moulds refusing to restructure, it looks like the bills are leaning towards releasing him. He would be a great #1 for us and has ties to AJ. Thoughts? :Helmet:

BoltFiend
02-28-2006, 07:37 PM
I'll take him. He would be an excellent fit.

Bo1TZ
02-28-2006, 08:02 PM
I don't think that we should pick up Moulds if he gets released. We already have a vet receiver in McCardell, and Moulds is 32 and is degressing. He wouldn't be a deep threat, as his YPC have gone down the past eight years. He's more of a possession type receiver, a more expensive McCardell. We would be stuck with two number one receivers, and Jackson would be fighting Parker for the third receiver spot.

GAMES REC YDS YPC LG TD
1998 BUF 16 67 1368 20.4 84 9
1999 BUF 14 65 994 15.3 54 7
2000 BUF 16 94 1326 14.1 52 5
2001 BUF 16 67 904 13.5 80 5
2002 BUF 16 100 1292 12.9 70 10
2003 BUF 13 64 780 12.2 49 1
2004 BUF 16 88 1043 11.9 49 5
2005 BUF 15 81 816 10.1 55 4

hambone
02-28-2006, 08:12 PM
also consider he's had like 4 diff qb's yet still produced i wouldnt mind him here but it wont be a dissapointment if he doesnt come

DrTran
03-13-2006, 05:49 PM
Bills | Moulds asks for his release
Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:25:54 -0800

Leo Roth, of the Democrat and Chronicle, reports Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds, who has been asked to take a substantial cut in pay, wants the team to release him from the final two years of his contract so he can sign with another team. "Let him go, it's only fair," Greg Johnson, Moulds' personal advisor, said today after talking with his client. "If they're not going to pay what we feel is fair-market value, he should be allowed to go somewhere where he could maybe get it." Moulds is scheduled to count $10.8 million against the salary cap and he's due to earn $7.1 million in cash (salary and bonus) for the upcoming season.