Nate Clements - Do we even want him???

[LIGHTS OUT]

Buffalo Bills star CB will be an UFA at the end of this season. I live near Buffalo and hear a great deal of media coverage surrounding the Bills (It was great when we blew them out this year). This morning on the local talk radio they played a montage of clips with music in the background of Clements getting burned by many of the top recievers in the league. Recievers such as Chris Chambers, Randy Moss, Eric Parker, Rod Smith, David Givens (and those are just the ones I can remember). The whole purpose of the clips was to hype his matchup with Chad Johnson this week in Cincinatti. Side Note : His touchdown celebration after he beats Clements will involed a live deer and a Christmas theme! lol. Johnson is so confident that he will beat Clements just like everyone else this year that he is planning his biggest celebration ever against the Bills CB. He is the self proclaimed "best CB in the NFL" (what is with average Bills players saying that they are the best in their position in the NFL, haha). He has come out and said to the Bills that if they want to keep him then they will have to pay him as the 'best' in the league. I know the Bills wont "show him the money". At the beginning of the season I was very exited about the idea of Nate going to SD, I am certainly not now. He will be available to the highest bidder, does anyone actually think that AJ should put us in the Clements Auction?? Discuss.....

[maverjoe]

Buffalo Bills star CB will be an UFA at the end of this season. I live near Buffalo and hear a great deal of media coverage surrounding the Bills (It was great when we blew them out this year). This morning on the local talk radio they played a montage of clips with music in the background of Clements getting burned by many of the top recievers in the league. Recievers such as Chris Chambers, Randy Moss, Eric Parker, Rod Smith, David Givens (and those are just the ones I can remember). The whole purpose of the clips was to hype his matchup with Chad Johnson this week in Cincinatti. Side Note : His touchdown celebration after he beats Clements will involed a live deer and a Christmas theme! lol. Johnson is so confident that he will beat Clements just like everyone else this year that he is planning his biggest celebration ever against the Bills CB. He is the self proclaimed "best CB in the NFL" (what is with average Bills players saying that they are the best in their position in the NFL, haha). He has come out and said to the Bills that if they want to keep him then they will have to pay him as the 'best' in the league. I know the Bills wont "show him the money". At the beginning of the season I was very exited about the idea of Nate going to SD, I am certainly not now. He will be available to the highest bidder, does anyone actually think that AJ should put us in the Clements Auction?? Discuss.....
here is the thing...AJ tends to not ever go for the guys you get into bidding wars for. I think he's right that that is the best way to overpay big time for a player. I expect that AJ will look more for an under the radar type...that is more his style.

On the issue of how worth it Clements is...I don't think a shut down corner exists anymore. New rules I think have essentially killed the position. The best you can hope for now is corner who can create a lot of turnovers. Thats what AJ should be on the lookout for.

[LIGHTS OUT]

The last few weeks Quentin has been playing very well, if he plays well agianst the chiefs he might be on his way to justifying his high draft pick!

[theiceweasel]

Jammer has his moments where you understand why he was drafted high but he is way too inconsistent. For example, before Sunday's game against the Colts he had 12 passes defended (hands on ball, knocking it away), 9 pass interference/illegal contact penalties, and 0 INTs. I'm working on looking into how he stacks up with other "#1" CBs in the league in these stats but I'm guessing he's near the bottom of the list. It's gotten so bad that whenever there's a flag in the secondary on 3rd down my friends and I utter the words "damnit Jammer", and sadly we're right about 75% of the time.

But this thread isn't about Jammer, It's about Nate Clements. I agree with maverjoe about AJ not getting into bidding wars over players. Personally I think we need a ball hawk like Deltha O'Neal (10 INTs on the season), or someone similar. So no, I hope we don't go after Clements but I do hope we go after another veteran CB and either bump Jammer to 2nd CB or experiment with him playing safety.

[LIGHTS OUT]

Jammer has his moments where you understand why he was drafted high but he is way too inconsistent. For example, before Sunday's game against the Colts he had 12 passes defended (hands on ball, knocking it away), 9 pass interference/illegal contact penalties, and 0 INTs. I'm working on looking into how he stacks up with other "#1" CBs in the league in these stats but I'm guessing he's near the bottom of the list. It's gotten so bad that whenever there's a flag in the secondary on 3rd down my friends and I utter the words "damnit Jammer", and sadly we're right about 75% of the time.

But this thread isn't about Jammer, It's about Nate Clements. I agree with maverjoe about AJ not getting into bidding wars over players. Personally I think we need a ball hawk like Deltha O'Neal (10 INTs on the season), or someone similar. So no, I hope we don't go after Clements but I do hope we go after another veteran CB and either bump Jammer to 2nd CB or experiment with him playing safety.

Sounds like a plan, i hope you are reading AJ. No Clements!!

[Podium]

Regarding Jammer, he pretty much did as good a job as you can on Harrison. And he had at least 3 batted balls, on man coverage.

[LordBling]

I heard that harrison now has a fractured hand.

Whenever jammer is involved in a passs defense, we always yell: no flags! no flags! then if there are no flags we cheer and hi 5.

[fregon]

Jammer has his moments where you understand why he was drafted high but he is way too inconsistent. For example, before Sunday's game against the Colts he had 12 passes defended (hands on ball, knocking it away), 9 pass interference/illegal contact penalties, and 0 INTs. I'm working on looking into how he stacks up with other "#1" CBs in the league in these stats but I'm guessing he's near the bottom of the list. It's gotten so bad that whenever there's a flag in the secondary on 3rd down my friends and I utter the words "damnit Jammer", and sadly we're right about 75% of the time.

But this thread isn't about Jammer, It's about Nate Clements. I agree with maverjoe about AJ not getting into bidding wars over players. Personally I think we need a ball hawk like Deltha O'Neal (10 INTs on the season), or someone similar. So no, I hope we don't go after Clements but I do hope we go after another veteran CB and either bump Jammer to 2nd CB or experiment with him playing safety.

I agree... with current NFL rules you need a ball hawk. Delta, Dawkins (safety) Nathan Vasher. I like those guys because they always come out with a pick.

P.S. No we do not want self proclaimed "best players" and overpay him

[ltinabottle]

Being the number 1 corner changes quickly in the NFL. Nate was beat by many receivers including Eric Parker. A.J. knows Nate pretty well having come from the Bills. I agree that we can afford him but I don't think we will go into a bidding war for Nate. Maybe our priority is the offensive line for free agency and dabbling in the draft for a big time corner. Jammer is beginning to make consistent plays against the top receivers. Let's hope this trend continues.

Go Bolts:Bolt:

[WakkaWakkaWakka]

After the way Clements has performed this season I don't think AJ should pursue him in any way.

Also, I like the way Jammer has been performing the last few games. He has been getting better and I only hope his growth continues to result in more consistent plays and less penalties.

I say let's go after a very experienced Safety rather than a cornerback.

[LIGHTS OUT]

I hear that Rodney Harrison guy is pretty good! lol

[WakkaWakkaWakka]

You know, I'd trade for him...AJ style of course =P

[trainmap]

Clements is a pretty good corner. He has struggled this year, but he is still one of the top 10 corners in the NFL in my opinion.

[SDFaiderHater]

The last few weeks Quentin has been playing very well, if he plays well agianst the chiefs he might be on his way to justifying his high draft pick!

QJ is forth in the league in passes defended, he may not have the picks, but that i think boils down to coaching.

[SDFaiderHater]

I agree... with current NFL rules you need a ball hawk. Delta, Dawkins (safety) Nathan Vasher. I like those guys because they always come out with a pick.

P.S. No we do not want self proclaimed "best players" and overpay him

when LT was looking for a new contract, he said he believed he was the best rB in the league, do we not want him?

[fregon]

when LT was looking for a new contract, he said he believed he was the best rB in the league, do we not want him?

It's funny you bring that up... LT said the following about Willis M and his self proclamation of being the best.

LT said that you have to believe that you are "the best" but do not go to the media and yell it out, specially if you can't back it up!

Now that is the diff between LT, WM and Nate

[JCDavey]

yes we need and want nate clements, he's a playmaker, hope he's a charger in 06


jammer and clements and hopefully jimmy williams via draft to take over for jammer

[drangus]

I don't see nate clements in SD--AJ is not going to overpay this guy-he'll end up in Was;)

the only bill that is coming to SD is eric moulds

[JCDavey]

I don't see nate clements in SD--AJ is not going to overpay this guy-he'll end up in Was;)

the only bill that is coming to SD is eric moulds

that works for me lol i love moulds

[TBOLTZCALI]

I think this will be one of the biggest changes we will have in the off season. Jammer is either going to stay at cb or maybe move him to a safety position. Then we gotta decide who stays at the other corner. Davis, Fletch, Florence. I say we part with sammy davis and grab a FA CB.

[drangus]

I think this will be one of the biggest changes we will have in the off season. Jammer is either going to stay at cb or maybe move him to a safety position. Then we gotta decide who stays at the other corner. Davis, Fletch, Florence. I say we part with sammy davis and grab a FA CB.

davis has gotten better and better every year--why would you destroy the depth we have at corner?

sammy gets one more year-just like fletcher who will be entering his 6th year next year has improved drastically from his rookie season so will sammy who will be entering his 4th year next year

florence is also going to get better-------you guys keep harping on the secondary but you have to admit that the improvements over the last seven or so games in the secondary are palpable and real--a lot of credit has to go to jue and also hart who has been getting more and more reps as the season has progressed--

a jue with hart is our best option at safety;)

[ghost]

I'm with some of you fellas, Don't lay out a monster contract for Clements, the secondary's talent level is fine. What is not fine is the secondary coach, Brian Stewart. His butt is gone at the end of the season. That is Marty's Number #1 challenge of the offseason, land the Chargers an excellent unit position coach for the DBs.

Again, like others have mentioned, I am interested in Eric Moulds. He may come at a reasonable dollar figure. If not, we'll look elsewhere.

[TBOLTZCALI]

Im not so sure that davis has been that good this year? I think teams were challenging Jammer more than davis when he was in there. I think we can do without davis. Maybe we can put him in a safety position for next year.

[drangus]

Im not so sure that davis has been that good this year? I think teams were challenging Jammer more than davis when he was in there. I think we can do without davis. Maybe we can put him in a safety position for next year.

whatch the tape of the Philly game and you will see that davis had a decent game--as a matter of fact the whole secondary did pretty well that day T.O. got one TD but he only had like 3-4 catches in the whole game

[drangus]

whatch the tape of the Philly game and you will see that davis had a decent game--as a matter of fact the whole secondary did pretty well that day T.O. got one TD but he only had like 3-4 catches in the whole game

it is kind of ironic that davis lost the nickel job to fletcher but when one of our starting corners gets hurt it is davis that takes their place and not fletcher--you woul think that the natural progression was for the nickel back to move up to replace the injured guy--to me that means that the coaches still have faith in sammy davis

[drangus]

I'm with some of you fellas, Don't lay out a monster contract for Clements, the secondary's talent level is fine. What is not fine is the secondary coach, Brian Stewart. His butt is gone at the end of the season. That is Marty's Number #1 challenge of the offseason, land the Chargers an excellent unit position coach for the DBs.

Again, like others have mentioned, I am interested in Eric Moulds. He may come at a reasonable dollar figure. If not, we'll look elsewhere.

we can expect to pay him about 30 million for 5 years with about a 7 million dollar bonus--that is the deal that the bears gave muhamed last year--something along those lines will reel him in and he is worth every penny

don't forget that 4 years ago we gave tim dwight 18 million over four years and stephen alexander 16 million over 4 years--considering those deals and what we recieved in return-giving moulds 30 million is a bargain

[JCDavey]

i feel like if we don't fix the secondary for those games when our front 7 doesn't get pressure, we'll be screwed and never win a superbowl, IMO

[SuperBowlBolts]

it is kind of ironic that davis lost the nickel job to fletcher but when one of our starting corners gets hurt it is davis that takes their place and not fletcher--you woul think that the natural progression was for the nickel back to move up to replace the injured guy--to me that means that the coaches still have faith in sammy davis
hasnt sammy davis been injuried for awhile

[SuperBowlBolts]

i feel like if we don't fix the secondary for those games when our front 7 doesn't get pressure, we'll be screwed and never win a superbowl, IMO
i feel we just need a SS someone like #37 or like Ed Reed

[Shamrock]

Clements looked like crap last week.

[WaywardCharger]

Ball hawking secondary players are a Double Edged Sword. They may get more picks, but they also get burned for big ones, usually Touchdowns, alot more.

The current rules in the NFL are Pro-Receiver, and anti-Secondary. Good Safeties and Corners are getting penalized for playing a style that was used just 2 seasons ago. Meanwhile, Receivers, knowing that they have the advantage, are using this to their advantage, and making moves that get the safeties and corners penalties, that wouldn't have been given in times past.

I would still rather have someone get a 40 yard penalty for Pass Interference, than get burned for a TD. Of course, I would prefer neither, but in today's NFL, the latter is not up to the Secondary, as much as it is up to the Pass Rush.

Jammer is among the best in the NFL, penalties aside. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise.

WC

[mikeavo22]

Waste of money on Clements...our CBs are about as good as most other teams. Our weakness is the middle and we need a NAMED veteran in the SS or FS positions.

AJ can you trade Rivers to B'more already and get us Ed Reed and a draft pick please!?!?!

["The Wall"]

The last few weeks Quentin has been playing very well, if he plays well agianst the chiefs he might be on his way to justifying his high draft pick!


What games were u watching. Jammer is a bum.....a good game for Jammer is when he doesn't get beat deep more than 3 times a game. Did u see how far back he was playing on the Colts recievers LOL i guess he learned his lesson last year against reggie wayne and Marvin. Jammer will shine at FS or even SS he is in it for CB salary thats it. IMO he is a overrated overpaid bum.

[SupaChagaZ]

What games were u watching. Jammer is a bum.....a good game for Jammer is when he doesn't get beat deep more than 3 times a game. Did u see how far back he was playing on the Colts recievers LOL i guess he learned his lesson last year against reggie wayne and Marvin. Jammer will shine at FS or even SS he is in it for CB salary thats it. IMO he is a overrated overpaid bum.

:confused:

I think you have some pretty unrealistic concepts of what a Good Corner does. He had like 7 passes defended in the colts game and didn’t allow Harrison to score or control the outside of the field.

What this team lacks are safeties that are students of the game. All the secondary people we have are good athletes. They need to become Field captains and know the defense inside and out. If that happens it will change everything for us on the defensive side.

[LTALLDAY]

We all have to support the chargers in every way,but lets face it i agree with the wall.Jammer has had a couple of decent games,he did a great job on harrison,but overall you have to admit he's on the bottom of the chart when it comes to #1 corners.He gets burned a lot and rack up a lot of penalties.I dont know, maybe he'll have some new found confidence from the colts game, cause to me he has been a disappointment.When another fan from a rival team says that Jammer is a bum,there's not much u can say to defend him

[nayip2002]

Jammer is coming along great!! the problem is when he does bad people are all over him, but when he does well no one mention his name!!!he is slowly becoming a corner known for his phyiscalness, and the refs r starting to let him play like that!!

what about jammer as a freesafety or strong!!!??? just a thouugh!!

[MichaelzoneX]

What about signing this guy hes a great cb in his prime and a pro bowler he might cost us some money though

[fireknuckles]

Can he play safety? We really need a stud safety to cover over the top so the secondary doesn't get "burned".

[SuperBowlBolts]

i think we havel ike 5 other threads about this lol. but our corners are fine its just we need a SS that can play the run but in coverage stay deeper then the deepest.

[Lyi]

What about signing this guy hes a great cb in his prime and a pro bowler he might cost us some money though

nate clements got torched and abused this year, against nearly every wideout he faced. this season he regressed. too bad its his contract year too.

[WARHAWKS]

here is the thing...AJ tends to not ever go for the guys you get into bidding wars for. I think he's right that that is the best way to overpay big time for a player. I expect that AJ will look more for an under the radar type...that is more his style.

On the issue of how worth it Clements is...I don't think a shut down corner exists anymore. New rules I think have essentially killed the position. The best you can hope for now is corner who can create a lot of turnovers. Thats what AJ should be on the lookout for.

i want the shutdown corners back.....i hate that rule that killed corners.

[cstu]

nate clements got torched and abused this year, against nearly every wideout he faced. this season he regressed. too bad its his contract year too.

That just means we get him cheaper. :Beer:

[Rivers2Gates]

That just means we get him cheaper. :Beer:
no kidding :) he is still a major upgrade if we get him for a decent price

[BoltsfanNYC]

I agree get this guy... But I want hope first!!! imagine hope for say 5-6 years!

[KYChargersFan21]

I take a chance on nate clements and since were losing fletcher to fa move florence (or trade him) to the nickel spot jammer and clements would be a great pair of backs, if we dont go for clements go for madison but id rather hav a young guy like clements.

[GOBILLS22]

Buffalo Bills star CB will be an UFA at the end of this season. I live near Buffalo and hear a great deal of media coverage surrounding the Bills (It was great when we blew them out this year). This morning on the local talk radio they played a montage of clips with music in the background of Clements getting burned by many of the top recievers in the league. Recievers such as Chris Chambers, Randy Moss, Eric Parker, Rod Smith, David Givens (and those are just the ones I can remember). The whole purpose of the clips was to hype his matchup with Chad Johnson this week in Cincinatti. Side Note : His touchdown celebration after he beats Clements will involed a live deer and a Christmas theme! lol. Johnson is so confident that he will beat Clements just like everyone else this year that he is planning his biggest celebration ever against the Bills CB. He is the self proclaimed "best CB in the NFL" (what is with average Bills players saying that they are the best in their position in the NFL, haha). He has come out and said to the Bills that if they want to keep him then they will have to pay him as the 'best' in the league. I know the Bills wont "show him the money". At the beginning of the season I was very exited about the idea of Nate going to SD, I am certainly not now. He will be available to the highest bidder, does anyone actually think that AJ should put us in the Clements Auction?? Discuss.....


2/3 of the earth is coverd by water........................the rest is coverd by nate clements you piece off **** san diego blowsss you ***got the bills are the best franchise in nfl history...if it wasnt for the refss we would have won that game. what kind of ******* lives in buffalo and is a chargers fan your gay

[JCDavey]

2/3 of the earth is coverd by water........................the rest is coverd by nate clements you piece off **** san diego blowsss you ***got the bills are the best franchise in nfl history...if it wasnt for the refss we would have won that game. what kind of ******* lives in buffalo and is a chargers fan your gayhey remember when brees and parker made nate look like a complete moron in san diego in 05? when we were beating your team to death haha , good times

[TCUFAN5]

lol that was good times.. i hope for more good times this season that ends up and hour and a half up the road from me.. glendale baby.. superbowl 42

[NiTrochaRge]

I would love to get clements but hes demanding way too much money since hes has said he wants to be paid Champ Bailey money......

[GOBILLS22]

hey remember when brees and parker made nate look like a complete moron in san diego in 05? when we were beating your team to death haha , good times



THAT WAS IN THE PAST ******* NICE CHOKE JOB AGAINST NEW ENGLAND YOU DUMB ****

[Gobolts1]

THAT WAS IN THE PAST ******* NICE CHOKE JOB AGAINST NEW ENGLAND YOU DUMB ****

Nice Choke job in all your Super Bowls perrenial losers!!!!!

[GOBILLS22]

at least we've made it to the superbowl san diegos been no where close

good job firing your coach dumbass he was the only reason you made it as far as you did

[Gobolts1]

at least we've made it to the superbowl san diegos been no where close

good job firing your coach dumbass he was the only reason you made it as far as you did

I can tell you're not too old and don't know ****. We were in the Superbowl in 94 and lost to the Niners.

Begone troll

[LIGHTS OUT]

2/3 of the earth is coverd by water........................the rest is coverd by nate clements you piece off **** san diego blowsss you ***got the bills are the best franchise in nfl history...if it wasnt for the refss we would have won that game. what kind of ******* lives in buffalo and is a chargers fan your gay

You idiot...i don't live in Buffalo, that city sucks just like their football team.

[GOBILLS22]

Actually the bills played in the 94' superbowl dumb **** sandiego played in the 95' superbowl get your facts strait douche bag. and plus san diego go there ASSES WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEDDD in the bowl *****

TKO could beat the **** out of anybody on your team

Steriods seem to be the popular thing in the San diego locker room


GOOOOOOO BILLLS

GOOOOOOO sabres

[Gobolts1]

Actually the bills played in the 94' superbowl dumb **** sandiego played in the 95' superbowl get your facts strait douche bag. and plus san diego go there ASSES WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEDDD in the bowl *****

TKO could beat the **** out of anybody on your team

Steriods seem to be the popular thing in the San diego locker room


GOOOOOOO BILLLS

GOOOOOOO sabres

"at least we've made it to the superbowl san diegos been no where close"


94 season, 95 SuperBowl whatever still shows you don't know shiite like most Bills fans.

[Big'D'inSD!#56]

Actually the bills played in the 94' superbowl dumb **** sandiego played in the 95' superbowl get your facts strait douche bag. and plus san diego go there ASSES WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEDDD in the bowl *****

TKO could beat the **** out of anybody on your team

Steriods seem to be the popular thing in the San diego locker room


GOOOOOOO BILLLS

GOOOOOOO sabreslosing seem popular in Butthole Bills locker room nowaday.

GOOOOOOO CHARGERS

[Big'D'inSD!#56]

yet another homer fans talking about the past.

[GOBILLS22]

http://assets.buffalobills.com/uploads/photo/910ABC37769C4EB88BA7AF5E51CB77BC.jpgGO BILLS

[Balboa 1961]

http://assets.buffalobills.com/uploads/photo/910ABC37769C4EB88BA7AF5E51CB77BC.jpgGO BILLS

Nice sack, and a great win for you guys too when you really need it to keep your season alive. Oh wait........