NFL Free Agent Wide Receivers in 06

[Tomlinson21]

Here is a list of NFL WR's available in 06. Take you rpick and discuss:

Player Type 2005 Team
Aaron Moorehead RFA Colts
Andre' Davis UFA Patriots
Antonio Bryant UFA Browns
Antwaan Randle El UFA Steelers
Arnaz Battle RFA 49ers
Az-Zahir Hakim UFA Saints
Brad Pyatt RFA Colts
Brandon Lloyd RFA 49ers
Bryan Gilmore UFA Dolphins
Cedric James UFA Patriots
Charlie Adams RFA Broncos
Chris Horn RFA Chiefs
Corey Bradford UFA Texans
Cortez Hankton RFA Jaguars
Darnerian McCants UFA Eagles
David Boston UFA Dolphins (??????????????????)
David Givens UFA Patriots
David Tyree RFA Giants
Derick Armstrong RFA Texans
Dez White UFA Falcons
Edell Shepherd RFA Buccaneers
Ike Hilliard UFA Buccaneers
J.J. Moses RFA Cardinals
Jabar Gaffney UFA Texans
Jason McAddley UFA 49ers
Jerheme Urban RFA Seahawks
Jerome Pathon UFA Falcons
Joe Jurevicius UFA Seahawks
Kassim Osgood RFA Chargers (aw man....:()
Keenan McCardell UFA Chargers (already signed extension w/ SD. Correction. Thanks 'Roo.)
Kelley Washington RFA Bengals
Kendall Newson UFA Dolphins
Kevin Curtis RFA Rams
Kevin Johnson UFA Lions
Kevin Walter RFA Bengals
Koren Robinson UFA Vikings
Marc Boerigter UFA Chiefs
Michael Lewis UFA Saints
Nate Burleson RFA Vikings
Patrick Johnson UFA Ravens
Peerless Price UFA Cowboys
Peter Warrick UFA Seahawks
Quincy Morgan UFA Steelers
Randal Williams UFA Raiders
Reche Caldwell UFA Chargers (Takers????)
Reggie Swinton UFA Cardinals
Reggie Wayne UFA Colts
Rod Gardner UFA Panthers
Sam Aiken UFA Bills
Sean Morey UFA Steelers
Shaun McDonald RFA Rams
Tim Carter UFA Giants
Tim Dwight UFA Patriots
Troy Brown UFA Patriots
Troy Edwards UFA Lions
Troy Walters UFA Colts
Willie Ponder RFA Giants

[broncosgc]

where's eric moulds?

i thought for sure he was a FA...

[BoltsfanNYC]

TO then randle el both would upgrade in SD...
wayne same guy we have a couple of...we need home run WR...Haggan... maybe... we must sign a T or a real G! then draft other...in first or take stud TE.... S-CB must be a vet... and a good one.

[BoltsfanNYC]

he is due a huge money and wll be releasd

[Chargeroo]

My first comment is the list is wrong. I don't know how many it has wrong (at least a couple). Second - many of those guys will be signed by the team they are on now.

[hambone]

screw TO !!!! get david givens, he wont be to exspensive, great route running, great hands, great speed, can be injury prone but well worth it! huge upgrade

[Chargeroo]

Keenan McCardell: signed 2-year EXTENSION thru 2007 on 3/9/05- + under new contract, he receives a 4.1M signing bonus payable in 2005 and base salaries of 2.65M in 2006 and 2.6M in 2007- + under new deal, his 2005 base salary in 2005 is lowered to 1M- + the new deal includes 4.1M in LTBE bonuses Agent: Gary Uberstine

[broncosgc]

i really hope my broncos get eric moulds...he's still got it...

[BoltzFanInIraq]

Moulds, Givens, or Randle El, would be my picks to sport the Charger Blue...

[Boltbacker]

I think Brandon Lloyd would be a nice pick up.

[Tomlinson21]

I like Brandon Lloyd, too as well as REggie Wayne, Nate Burleson, Antonio Bryant and Randle El.

[bigbolthead21]

I think Brandon Lloyd would be a nice pick up.
I agree, lloyd made some very good catches and and imagine how good he'll be if he had a QB. I would also like to c AJ go after randle el or reggie wayne and try to resign caldwell. givens or burleson would be a nice upgrade too.

[HeadTrip]

Brandon Lloyd is a pretty good young WR. If the 49ers are dumb enough to let him go he could probably be had at a good price. He proformed about as well as you could when Rattay was leading that O and that's saying something.

[ChargerBacker]

Brandon Lloyd has a lot of upside (very athletic, excellent speed, and awesome hands). He made alot of highlight reel catches on a horrible team. He's someone who could help if he were available. I would think the 49ers will re-sign him. He was their best WR.

[HeadTrip]

Brandon Lloyd has a lot of upside (very athletic, excellent speed, and awesome hands). He made alot of highlight reel catches on a horrible team. He's someone who could help if he were available. I would think the 49ers will re-sign him. He was their best WR.

I agree, but he might not want to go back to that terrible 49ers team if the Chargers showed interest. His career could skyrocket here.

[Tomlinson21]

I agree, but he might not want to go back to that terrible 49ers team if the Chargers showed interest. His career could skyrocket here.
Agreed...saw alot of highlight reel catches of him on ESPN all season long...we could use him big time over here in SD if we can't land Reggie Wayne...

[Thunderstruck21]

wayne, lloyd, moulds, randel el, burleson are guys we should go after. I wouldnt be surprised to see randel el come here because he played QB at Indiana while Cam Cameron was head coach there, wayne is the best of the bunch, but commands to much money and AJ isnt willing to spend it all on one guy.

[PaCkMaN]

I still say Koren Robinson would be a great pickup......other than I think the Vikes will probably resign him but who knows.

[Podium]

Az Hakim and Peter Warrick would be nice pickups too for the right price.

[jtzsd43]

He's the only player worth watching on the Browns squad. A true diamond in the rough. If he can be as good as he is on a team like the Browns, imagine what he can do for us. What do you guys think?

[pete985]

I think he'd be worth a shot, he's got great hands and balance when running. He could really help spread the field for us. But he's meant to have an attitude problem, so this may mean he's not AJ's sort of player. But how many guys have turned out fine on a new team when they were meant to be "difficult" personalities. I'd say we should snap him up

[flash19sd]

Bryant does have an attitude problem and is not a good fit. However, if Colts cannot work out a long term deal for Edgerrin James (and it seems they won't between now and Feb. 23) they will have to franchise him and this allows Reggie Wayne to become an UFA. Granted, he will command big money but it allows us to have a young #1 receiver, move Keenan to #2 possession receiver, move Parker to more natural #3 receiver and go back to returning punts full time. However, we really need to spend those free agent dollars on a veteran OLT and/or a playmaker in the secondary but pool of OLTs and DBs with value is thin this year. How about RFA Jason Peters from the Bills who are undergoing big changes? How about moving Jammer to more natural strong safety position (against his stubborn will)?

[Chargeroo]

Reggie Wayne as a number 1? Do you recall what happened to Peerless Price when Atlanta spent a ton of money on him and moved him from a #2 at Buffalo to #1 ?

I would expect similar results from Wayne. He gets free because of Harrison drawing double teams and of course he's playing in a pretty dynamic offense in Indy. I think AJ will be looking for some young WR that seems to be ready to take a step up.

[Alibell1]

Reggie Wayne as a number 1? Do you recall what happened to Peerless Price when Atlanta spent a ton of money on him and moved him from a #2 at Buffalo to #1 ?

I would expect similar results from Wayne. He gets free because of Harrison drawing double teams and of course he's playing in a pretty dynamic offense in Indy. I think AJ will be looking for some young WR that seems to be ready to take a step up.

I'm sure 90% of the super fans on here are too young to remember who Alvin Harper is.

[Sogvet17]

I'm sure 90% of the super fans on here are too young to remember who Alvin Harper is.

Or our No. 1 receiver, JJ (remember him) who went to the Packers and completely failed in their system... Really bummed me out because I really liked him. We did get pretty good picks using one on a guy from NO....Remember......IMHO

If not, ask me and I will let you know who JJ was and who we got from NO....

[HeadTrip]

I think Brandon Lloyd from the 49ers could come in and do a good job.That dude has a lot of skill that needs to come out and our offense would be a good place for it.

[robanalog]

I don't know if he's a real #1. You just can't tell when they're on the Browns though. Look at the D line that went to Denver. Anyways, Parcells got rid of him in Dallas because he didn't "respect his authoritai!" so I could deal w/out him being in our system. I don't think he could beat out Kmac or Parker though. Wrong system. Remember when Tony Martin left after the SB year to Atlanta(?) was it? It didn't work out too well for him did it?

[The Dude]

Az Hakim and Peter Warrick would be nice pickups too for the right price.

Az was an Aztec too. I'd love to see him come back to SD! :)

[Totally Bolted]

Or our No. 1 receiver, JJ (remember him) who went to the Packers and completely failed in their system... Really bummed me out because I really liked him. We did get pretty good picks using one on a guy from NO....Remember......IMHO

If not, ask me and I will let you know who JJ was and who we got from NO....

I'm old enough to remember Jefferson. He had it good here. Let it get to his head. My wife remembers him more than any other Chargers except for Fouts. So your not alone I liked him too. I don't remember who we got from NO. So OK I'll bite. Who was it?

[Totally Bolted]

Do any of you think Peerless Price would fit?

[robanalog]

I'm not sure if I'd liek any of those guys. To me Reggie Wayne and Givens are products of their great QBs and the WR corp they play with. I don't know if we run an offense that would fit their game. Az and Warrick are both pretty much done unless used as PR/KR. The only one is Brandon Lloyd and he's restricted. The other names are eh...

[TheIceCreamMan]

Im think Nate burelson...
he is is great if given a chance he cant play in minnestoa they have to many WRs....he'll want out..nd he'll fit nicley in the chargers system

wut doo u guys think?

[RIPgriggs]

i hope we resgin osgood, that guy is a beast. i like bryant and lloyd, i dont see any others worth going after except wayne. speed with hakim or warrick? naw... WAYNE would be a dream... can we pay him big bucks like he can get somewhere else? bryant and lloyd are great because of there age. and what they have shown so far.

[RIPgriggs]

oh i forgot about randle el, if cam stays, which i dont think he will.. randle el would be amazing.

[fastbolt19]

i say Reggie Wayne would be good or nate burleson:21:

[fastbolt19]

oh and Antwaan Randle El:21:

[mrkmacc21]

Aw Man, if it's acurate...we could use Brandon Lloyd! He is what Caldwell should have been!

[KingGL]

No way on earth AB is a @ 1.

[bigmack2141]

i would love Lloyd, he is super athletic and makes great catches. Randel El would work amazing on this team with Cam as a coach too. Imaigne at any one time 3 players on the field could throw a TD pass- Brees/Rivers, LT, and Randel El.... and then we could do crazy plays like the steelers did yesteday...

[F15D442]

I would love for the Chargers resign Kassim but from what I have heard from peolpe who are close to him the Bolts are low balling him right now and he told his agent not to call AJ back until they raise the offer.

[DrTran]

i really hope my broncos get eric moulds...he's still got it...
I'd rather see Owens in Dnever. Only for the bi-yearly comedy of Moss vs Owens.

[Totally Bolted]

I would love for the Chargers resign Kassim but from what I have heard from peolpe who are close to him the Bolts are low balling him right now and he told his agent not to call AJ back until they raise the offer.

I can see the chargers letting him walk. He's a #4 or #5. I like him too but he's not going to be a #1 which we need.

[Tijuana_Man]

The best wider reciever we can sign is Terrell Owens by far we just have to make sure that Philip Rivers is starting so we can sit back and observe some 50 yard passes.

L.T. & T.O. will be a defensive cordinator's nightmare, imagine the load off L.T. with T.O. on the team?

He will make us SUPER BOWL FAVORITES...

[Chargeroo]

Bryant is pretty good - in 15 hames this year he had 69 catches for 1009 yards. On the other hand, he had problems in College and he had problems in Dallas. Also, he's not real fast, both Caldwell and Parker are faster than he is - he's another #2 type guy.

[sonorajim]

Bryant is pretty good - in 15 hames this year he had 69 catches for 1009 yards. On the other hand, he had problems in College and he had problems in Dallas. Also, he's not real fast, both Caldwell and Parker are faster than he is - he's another #2 type guy.
The Sporting News Draft book had Bryant at 4.50 and Caldwell and Parker both at 4.55 when they entered the draft in '02. I'm not arguing in favor of Bryant though. His history of a consistent bad attitude on and off the field plus injury problems in college doesn't sound good to me.

[HotCorner06]

Reggie Wayne as a number 1? Do you recall what happened to Peerless Price when Atlanta spent a ton of money on him and moved him from a #2 at Buffalo to #1 ?

I would expect similar results from Wayne. He gets free because of Harrison drawing double teams and of course he's playing in a pretty dynamic offense in Indy. I think AJ will be looking for some young WR that seems to be ready to take a step up.

Probably the most ridiculous thing I have seen on the Chargers Forum. Reggie Wayne is more than a legit Number 1 WR. If Reggie Wayne was on any other team than Indy, the WR ranking would go.

1. Chad Johnson
2. Terrel Owens
3. Marvin Harrison
4. Steve Smith
5. Larry Fitzgerald
6. Reggie Wayne
7. Santana Moss
8. Torry Holt
9. Plaxico Burress
10. Chris Chambers

[HotCorner06]

I think that Reggie Wayne is the best reciever out there. The one wideout that had a bad year but is still an incredible talent is Nate Burleson. He was good when Moss carried double coverage and would flourish in SD where Gates carries three guys where ever he goes.

[SDBOLTZSD]

The best wider reciever we can sign is Terrell Owens by far we just have to make sure that Philip Rivers is starting so we can sit back and observe some 50 yard passes.

L.T. & T.O. will be a defensive cordinator's nightmare, imagine the load off L.T. with T.O. on the team?

He will make us SUPER BOWL FAVORITES...

I m down with that, L.T, T.O, Brees/Rivers, Kmac, Parker, and Gates with an improved Offensive line = Super bowl

[Tomlinson21]

I m down with that, L.T, T.O, Brees/Rivers, Kmac, Parker, and Gates with an improved Offensive line = Super bowl
Sometimes it isn't all about the Super Bowl....go ask the Eagles or did you completely miss that whole soap opera that went down in the City of BRotherly Love???

[TJ21]

Bring back Dwight. ;)

[TJ21]

I'd rather see Owens in Dnever. Only for the bi-yearly comedy of Moss vs Owens.
I wouldn't. Denver will be even better then, I say we should take him. I know... I know...

[Chargeroo]

The Sporting News Draft book had Bryant at 4.50 and Caldwell and Parker both at 4.55 when they entered the draft in '02. I'm not arguing in favor of Bryant though. His history of a consistent bad attitude on and off the field plus injury problems in college doesn't sound good to me. Here's the times I found on our Bolts -
88 PARKER Eric 6- 0.0 182 4.43
82 CALDWELL Reche 5-11.5 196 4.44

They had 4.52 for Bryant.
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HotCorner06 - First, let me say I don't like being called ridiculous. Second, how the hell can you know what he'd do as a #1 since he never plays it? Reggie Wayne is good and I know that but is he a product of a system that includes the best QB in the league and a couple other very good WR's? I don't know for sure but I do know the history of trading for a top notch #2 and expecting them to become your #1 is not very good. Third, it's probably a moot point because the Colts won't let him get away unless hes greedy as hell and if he's that greedy, AJ won't want him.

[drangus]

Here is a list of NFL WR's available in 06. Take you rpick and discuss:

Player Type 2005 Team
Aaron Moorehead RFA Colts
Andre' Davis UFA Patriots
Antonio Bryant UFA Browns
Antwaan Randle El UFA Steelers
Arnaz Battle RFA 49ers
Az-Zahir Hakim UFA Saints
Brad Pyatt RFA Colts
Brandon Lloyd RFA 49ers
Bryan Gilmore UFA Dolphins
Cedric James UFA Patriots
Charlie Adams RFA Broncos
Chris Horn RFA Chiefs
Corey Bradford UFA Texans
Cortez Hankton RFA Jaguars
Darnerian McCants UFA Eagles
David Boston UFA Dolphins (??????????????????)
David Givens UFA Patriots
David Tyree RFA Giants
Derick Armstrong RFA Texans
Dez White UFA Falcons
Edell Shepherd RFA Buccaneers
Ike Hilliard UFA Buccaneers
J.J. Moses RFA Cardinals
Jabar Gaffney UFA Texans
Jason McAddley UFA 49ers
Jerheme Urban RFA Seahawks
Jerome Pathon UFA Falcons
Joe Jurevicius UFA Seahawks
Kassim Osgood RFA Chargers (aw man....:()
Keenan McCardell UFA Chargers (already signed extension w/ SD. Correction. Thanks 'Roo.)
Kelley Washington RFA Bengals
Kendall Newson UFA Dolphins
Kevin Curtis RFA Rams
Kevin Johnson UFA Lions
Kevin Walter RFA Bengals
Koren Robinson UFA Vikings
Marc Boerigter UFA Chiefs
Michael Lewis UFA Saints
Nate Burleson RFA Vikings
Patrick Johnson UFA Ravens
Peerless Price UFA Cowboys
Peter Warrick UFA Seahawks
Quincy Morgan UFA Steelers
Randal Williams UFA Raiders
Reche Caldwell UFA Chargers (Takers????)
Reggie Swinton UFA Cardinals
Reggie Wayne UFA Colts
Rod Gardner UFA Panthers
Sam Aiken UFA Bills
Sean Morey UFA Steelers
Shaun McDonald RFA Rams
Tim Carter UFA Giants
Tim Dwight UFA Patriots
Troy Brown UFA Patriots
Troy Edwards UFA Lions
Troy Walters UFA Colts
Willie Ponder RFA Giants

this is a very deep group of Free agent WRs-no superstars

I also anticipate eric moulds being released by buffalo-so he will become a UFA

[Chargeroo]

The best wider reciever we can sign is Terrell Owens by far we just have to make sure that Philip Rivers is starting so we can sit back and observe some 50 yard passes.

L.T. & T.O. will be a defensive cordinator's nightmare, imagine the load off L.T. with T.O. on the team?

He will make us SUPER BOWL FAVORITES... Sounds like something we heard from the raider fans last year when they signed Randy Moss. :)

[Chargeroo]

Bring back Dwight. ;) Probably should get back David Boston then too, don't ya think? - Maybe get Steven Alexander back too - they can all be on IR together. :)

[promiseland]

Sometimes it isn't all about the Super Bowl....go ask the Eagles or did you completely miss that whole soap opera that went down in the City of BRotherly Love???

SO it isn't all about the Super Bowl?..Then what's it all about then.

[guimcharger]

I think Brandon Lloyd from the 49ers could come in and do a good job.That dude has a lot of skill that needs to come out and our offense would be a good place for it.

The niners aren't letting him go. He is their best player.

[SuperBowlBolts]

SO it isn't all about the Super Bowl?..Then what's it all about then.
you dont go killing locker room chemistry now it may work for a year but we all saw the after effects in philly, something i definately dont want to see ever again to any team

[WakkaWakkaWakka]

The only ones that really stand out to me are Lloyd, Randle el, and Kevin Curtis. All of them would be great pickups.

[Brother Wolf]

What about Jurivicious from Seattle??? All I saw this year were highlights of this guy making catches??? I think we could get him for less than a big name reciever, and he's got some size...6'5" 230...I think he's another clutch like Parker...only bigger?

[Thunderstruck21]

Llyod and wayne could both be #1 wide recievers for the chargers and the chargers should definently look into picking one of them up in fa

[ChargerDawg]

I think he'd be worth a shot, he's got great hands and balance when running. He could really help spread the field for us. But he's meant to have an attitude problem, so this may mean he's not AJ's sort of player. But how many guys have turned out fine on a new team when they were meant to be "difficult" personalities. I'd say we should snap him up

As far as I am concerned he is ok, but not a #1. He misses a lot of balls.

[HeadTrip]

The niners aren't letting him go. He is their best player.

You know we are talkng about the 49ers right? Who says he would even want to stay there? That team isn't going to be competitive for a while.

[SuperBowlBolts]

You know we are talkng about the 49ers right? Who says he would even want to stay there? That team isn't going to be competitive for a while.
Thats what people said about the chargers going into the 04 season....anyteam can come out of the blue look at the bears

[SuperBowlBolts]

i like wayne and randle el but the question is what will their asking price be. i still cant see wayne wanting to leave peyton unless he wants to be the go to guy somewhere.

[rslevy0421]

I know the Colts are trying to resign him, but............Reggie Wayne in powder blue would be unbelievable. He's a great reciever, young, and has experience in a great system (i.e. Colts). We'd be set at #1 WR for a while!!!!

Brees/LT/Gates/Neal/Wayne/McCardell/Parker...OMG! I know it's probably just a dream.

[Chargeroo]

What about Jurivicious from Seattle??? All I saw this year were highlights of this guy making catches??? I think we could get him for less than a big name reciever, and he's got some size...6'5" 230...I think he's another clutch like Parker...only bigger?I agree, he made a lot of big catches for the Bucs when they went to the Super Bowl too. He's not a fast, stretch the field type but he has the moves to get open and he makes great catches. I think he's the type of guy that AJ likes to go after.

[Tomlinson21]

I see the Kmac and Joe Jurevicious connection.
A Joe Jurevicious and KMac re-union of sorts perhaps in SD?????
The only problem is we still don't have that #1 deep threat which we need to address this off season. A WR that can take a defender one on one and go over the top.

[BoltsfanNYC]

I like the idea of randle el or wayne..both have experience and would weaken there respected teams...

[LarryAW]

Or our No. 1 receiver, JJ (remember him) who went to the Packers and completely failed in their system... Really bummed me out because I really liked him. We did get pretty good picks using one on a guy from NO....Remember......IMHO

If not, ask me and I will let you know who JJ was and who we got from NO....

Until we got Wes Chandler, who made me forget all about JJ.

[Alibell1]

Probably the most ridiculous thing I have seen on the Chargers Forum. Reggie Wayne is more than a legit Number 1 WR. If Reggie Wayne was on any other team than Indy, the WR ranking would go.

1. Chad Johnson
2. Terrel Owens
3. Marvin Harrison
4. Steve Smith
5. Larry Fitzgerald
6. Reggie Wayne
7. Santana Moss
8. Torry Holt
9. Plaxico Burress
10. Chris Chambers

Yeah, Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss in front of Holt. Can somebody tell me when Hines Ward stopped playing football?

[Sogvet17]

I'm old enough to remember Jefferson. He had it good here. Let it get to his head. My wife remembers him more than any other Chargers except for Fouts. So your not alone I liked him too. I don't remember who we got from NO. So OK I'll bite. Who was it?
We traded the 1st we received from GB to NO for........Wes Chandler...who turnedout to be a prety good receiver, KR and PR for us for I think about 7-8 years.....

[Sogvet17]

I agree, he made a lot of big catches for the Bucs when they went to the Super Bowl too. He's not a fast, stretch the field type but he has the moves to get open and he makes great catches. I think he's the type of guy that AJ likes to go after.
I do not think he would fit in our scheme. He is like a successful Osgood. We need someone who can get downfield, take a double team, and pull the LB's back to their normal positions instead of stacking the line against LT. I still think that Jackson has the speed to be a player that could be opposite Gates, in the middle of the field or posts of about 30-45 yeards. Now if we had a QB who could hit the streakers........and Wayne is just not a #1 WR. I think that there will be some late FA cuts and that AJ will be able to do something at that time. I also think that Detroit and Arizona are WR heavy and will be open to some trades that are not team killing.....IMHO

[Humphries_12]

With the success this year of small yet speedy and quick recievers such as Santana Moss and Steve Smith, I wouldn't mind signing Peter Warrick to a one-year deal. He was a former 1st round pick (#4 overall) and I believe he was one of the fastest recievers coming out of college that year. He was also a good punt returner for the Bengals.

[Sriprachandr]

With the success this year of small yet speedy and quick recievers such as Santana Moss and Steve Smith, I wouldn't mind signing Peter Warrick to a one-year deal. He was a former 1st round pick (#4 overall) and I believe he was one of the fastest recievers coming out of college that year. He was also a good punt returner for the Bengals.Those are YAC (Yards After Catch) guys too. Don't need to throw the ball deep to get a "home run" with those guys.

[smlman2]

i want to keep kassim osgood and i would to see us pick up reggie wayne he is a great reciever and would work great with eric parker and keenan McCardell on the other side.

i also like antonio bryant from cleveland as a possibility...

[Tomlinson21]

Reggie Wayne hands down. AJ: Get him please!

[BoltsfanNYC]

I agree 1-7 8 we need ILB.

[mattmc223]

Probably the most ridiculous thing I have seen on the Chargers Forum. Reggie Wayne is more than a legit Number 1 WR. If Reggie Wayne was on any other team than Indy, the WR ranking would go.

1. Chad Johnson
2. Terrel Owens
3. Marvin Harrison
4. Steve Smith
5. Larry Fitzgerald
6. Reggie Wayne
7. Santana Moss
8. Torry Holt
9. Plaxico Burress
10. Chris Chambers


Like it had been said before...Hines Ward, Anquan Boldin, our favorite Randy Moss, as well as so many other good wideouts...have just...vanished. And, the Price comparison makes perfect sense since he did fantastic as a #2 behind Moulds and then was horrible as a true #1.

[Tomlinson21]

Like it had been said before...Hines Ward, Anquan Boldin, our favorite Randy Moss, as well as so many other good wideouts...have just...vanished. And, the Price comparison makes perfect sense since he did fantastic as a #2 behind Moulds and then was horrible as a true #1.

Good thing you mentioned it...but have you noticed that half of those players that were originally listed by the threader, were all #2's at one point in their career:
1. Terrel Owens (Jerry Rice)
2. Larry Fitzgerald (Anquan Boldin - WR you brough up in your post)
3. Reggie Wayne - potentially (Marvin Harrison)
4. Torry Holt (Isaac Bruce)
5. Plaxico Burress (Hines Ward-WR you brought up in your post)

Plus
6. Randy Moss (who had Chris Carter)
7. Price (had Eric Moulds but turned out a bust in Atl.)

and my 2 cents ......
8. Houshmenzadehh (who has Chad Johnson)

But let's even go way back now:

9.. Michael Irvin had Alvin Harper
10. Jerry Rice had Dwight Clark (earlier in his career. I'm probably reaching on this one here.)

Bottomline: What made these players good? For every great #1 guy, there's always going to be a Great #2 as far as WR's go. They were #2's to STUD #1 WR's. Lot of high hopes for Price who didn't pan out but what I'm saying is most of the "Great Ones" in today's NFL were largely in part of a great #1 they played with earlier in their career.

Reggie Wayne will be a "Great One" someday and I hope AJ will do all he can to get this guy. Don't get me wrong, I still have high expectations for Vincent Jackson to learn well from a player like McCardell....but I think AJ should really show the dineros on Wayne....he will be may just be the guy this offense needs to get over the hump.

There's plenty of money that can be spent on free agent o-linemen and signing Brees to another contract. If not, it can done in the draft. But we need some impact players to get us into the playoffs and to a Super Bowl Championship...

Man...we're just a few players away.

[bigbolthead21]

AJ go after randle el. he is fast and very versitle and could fit perfectly in our offense and in our special teams. imagine randle el and sproles in the backfield returnig kickoffs. opposing teams won't know who has the ball and both are very dangerous. on offense, he has the speed to go downfield and can help us with some trick plays like he did in pittsburg.

[14_Bolt]

Reggie Wayne as a number 1? Do you recall what happened to Peerless Price when Atlanta spent a ton of money on him and moved him from a #2 at Buffalo to #1 ?

I would expect similar results from Wayne. He gets free because of Harrison drawing double teams and of course he's playing in a pretty dynamic offense in Indy. I think AJ will be looking for some young WR that seems to be ready to take a step up.

Remember, Gates requires double teams and he still can't be covered. I think Wayne is at the top of my list, followed by Randel El. Randel El was Cam Cameron's QB at Indiana.

[JoeMcRugby]

Remember, Gates requires double teams and he still can't be covered. I think Wayne is at the top of my list, followed by Randel El. Randel El was Cam Cameron's QB at Indiana.
The question is: if that's the case (and we know it is), why would the Chargers compete with other teams to pay these number 2 receivers number one money? :confused:

If they'd be happy with a #2 WR salary, then great. But if they were willing to accept #2 WR money, they wouldn't leave their current teams.

IF they leave their current teams, it will be for one reason only: $$$$$$$. Spend the money on a veteran OT, SS or ILB (far greater needs), not a number 2 WR.

Besides, VJ will emerge in 2006 to such an extent as to make the WR position relatively pointless as compared to the other greater needs for the Bolts. :Beer:

[Chargeroo]

Remember, Gates requires double teams and he still can't be covered. I think Wayne is at the top of my list, followed by Randel El. Randel El was Cam Cameron's QB at Indiana.Peerless Price also signed with a team that had a great TE that gets double coverage. It still didn't make him a #1 WR. Anyway, our needs are much greater at several other positions. I'd consider it foolish of the Chargers to get involved in the FA market over any #2 WR at this juncture. Our passing game was one of the best in the league before Oben was injured and tailed off badly after he went out of the lineup. That tells me our needs are greatest at OT. That's where we should spend our money first. Our secondary gave up lots of yards. That's another area of the team that's worth spending money on. Our best ILB (Godfrey) is going to retire and Donnie was well off his game this year and he's thirty three now and has a high salary cap figure.. That makes ILB another area of concern. Forget about the WR's, we can't afford them and anyway, lets see what Jackson can do to upgrade us at WR.

[bigbolthead21]

Isn't jevon walker a free agent this year? if he is, we should go after him.

[CBO]

Javon Walker would be nice bu he is not a FA. He has a year left but has been asking for a new contract. With the coaching changes in Greenbay who knows what will happen. I would be willing to giv up 2# 2's for him. He is big fast and a play maker.

[IgorUnchained]

Here is a little food for thought regarding FA WRs from KFFL


Patriots | Givens could walk if another team brings the money
Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:16:32 -0800

Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots WR David Givens, who is slated to become an unrestricted free agent during the offseason, could depart if another team offers him some serious money.


Patriots | Brown's future in question
Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:16:09 -0800

Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots WR Troy Brown's future with the team is up in the air entering the offseason.

[bigbolthead21]

Javon Walker would be nice bu he is not a FA. He has a year left but has been asking for a new contract. With the coaching changes in Greenbay who knows what will happen. I would be willing to giv up 2# 2's for him. He is big fast and a play maker.
2 #2s is too much. just one will be enough but isn't drew rosenhous his agent. if he is then we should look elsewhere.

[CBO]

2 #2s is too much. just one will be enough but isn't drew rosenhous his agent. if he is then we should look elsewhere.

I think he fired him. If i remember he said Drew gave him bad advise and thats when he reported to camp. IF he can come back to is 03-04 form then I have no problem giving up 2# 2's. He is a legit #1 receiver. Again he can stretch the feild and run after the catch. I think he is like 6-3 215lbs and he is still young 27.

[SuperBowlBolts]

Here is a little food for thought regarding FA WRs from KFFL


Patriots | Givens could walk if another team brings the money
Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:16:32 -0800

Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots WR David Givens, who is slated to become an unrestricted free agent during the offseason, could depart if another team offers him some serious money.


Patriots | Brown's future in question
Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:16:09 -0800

Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots WR Troy Brown's future with the team is up in the air entering the offseason.
i take either one but im but i wouldnt be willing to spend big bucks on these guys seeing as how we have bigger needs such OT,SS, ILB

[CBO]

Givens would be nice but not at a huge price. But looking at the group of Possible FA's the only one that I could see getting a huge deal would be Wayne. There are some good players but this is the kind of year when an average guy might get a large payday because there are not very many big names.

[HighBoltage]

:Bolt: I don't think we need a WR. Maybe draft another one in a later round to replace Keenan one day. The priority should be a young vet OT or two, and a solid DB or safety, also preferably young vets. If Brees gets time to see WR's downfield....they are open all the time. Parker gets better and better as well and Jackson looks to be a real steal as he is developing, so no need for WR's if you ask me.:Bolt:

[CBO]

Of the cusrrent FA WR's this in order is who I would like for us to pick up

Reggie Wayne
Brandon Lloyd
David Givens
Koren Robinson
Nate Burleson
Quincy Morgan

I dont think Caldwell will be back next year and Kmac will probably only be around for another year. Ig Osgood stays I think he will still be used on just special teams and blocking.

[meatbucket]

check out this site
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php

they rank players on their situational play, or "DPAR"

mcCardell ranks #7 in the laegue and parker #15. this just reinforces what we should already know -- that we have two of the best clutch receivers in the game! WR is not a draft priority at all.

read the protocol by which these guys derive their rankings, it's fascinating.

[Onion Knight]

TO then randle el both would upgrade in SD...
wayne same guy we have a couple of...we need home run WR...Haggan... maybe... we must sign a T or a real G! then draft other...in first or take stud TE.... S-CB must be a vet... and a good one.

I cant stand Randle El : on every play the ball is thrown near him we whines for a flag... like Tim Brown x10. that would be annoyign to have him on the team I root for. No thanks.

[dirtvid]

i would like them to get eric moulds, because the buffalo bills are going to cut him

[Sanitation Man]

A few of you have got it right...we DO NOT need a WR! Our receivers run some of the better routes and rarely drop passes (as evidenced by Brees' PR). AJ has been on the mark with every pick the last couple of years and he must know what Vincent Jackson is capable of doing.

If Brees/Rivers get proper protection (especially on the left side), they can now help stretch the field with our already stellar WR's and thereby allow LT to run with reckless abandon.

What we need is a premium Left Tackle and a Safety that is not only a ball hawk, but brings that intimidation factor.

That being said, "I'm out like a scout on a new route Jack." - Damon Wayans

[Ikeman83]

I think that looking at what the Chargers need at WR at this point is meaningless because we don't know what we have in VJ. There are two types of receivers that generate respect and force safeties to stay back in coverage. Really fast true no 1 receivers like Chad Johnson, TO, Harrison, and Moss, and big WRs that can get down the field and compete for the jump ball, and then make a lot of YAC. VJ might be the second type, but we don't have anyone of the first type, and none of the guys that I see on this list strike me as being that type of receiver. Reggie Wayne isn't, and Randle El isn't even one of the starting two receivers for Pitt. Nate Burleson and Koren Robinson aren't going anywhere, and with the possible exception of Moulds, there isn't a single guy on this list as of now that I think would make a huge impact for our team that we could actually get.

[Totally Bolted]

I think that looking at what the Chargers need at WR at this point is meaningless because we don't know what we have in VJ. There are two types of receivers that generate respect and force safeties to stay back in coverage. Really fast true no 1 receivers like Chad Johnson, TO, Harrison, and Moss, and big WRs that can get down the field and compete for the jump ball, and then make a lot of YAC. VJ might be the second type, but we don't have anyone of the first type, and none of the guys that I see on this list strike me as being that type of receiver. Reggie Wayne isn't, and Randle El isn't even one of the starting two receivers for Pitt. Nate Burleson and Koren Robinson aren't going anywhere, and with the possible exception of Moulds, there isn't a single guy on this list as of now that I think would make a huge impact for our team that we could actually get.

I agree with you. The only one available no one really wants. T.O.

WR is a lower prioirity by far. However, of all the WR available I like Givens the best. Your right none may make a hugh impact, but they may make enough of one to make a difference that leads to a SB berth.

[HeadTrip]

VJ runs a 4.46 40, so he is plenty fast enough to be a deep threat WR. As I recall, Reche ran a 4.44 and he is considered our "speed" guy. VJ is also 6'4'' and 240 lbs with hands that have stickem built in.

VJ can be a top 5 WR in this league, but we don't know when or if he has the discipline to do it. However, he was drafted by AJ and has a lot of hard workers around him, so I would look for hi to emerge sooner rather than later.

[loweezy]

i think if we pick up another receiver...

i'd go wayne/lloyd/givens/randel el

wayne would fit in great as a #1... since the person commanding all the attention from the defensive secondary would be antonio gates... i think wayne/gates would compliment eachother nicely.

we can realistically sit on the wr's that we have... on theflipside of that... vj will potentially be our #1 eventually (but he's still unproven)... keenan is aging... and parker is injury prone.

[CBO]

i think if we pick up another receiver...

i'd go wayne/lloyd/givens/randel el

wayne would fit in great as a #1... since the person commanding all the attention from the defensive secondary would be antonio gates... i think wayne/gates would compliment eachother nicely.

we can realistically sit on the wr's that we have... on theflipside of that... vj will potentially be our #1 eventually (but he's still unproven)... keenan is aging... and parker is injury prone.

I agree with everything you said. I feel that Caldwell will be gone and we will need to bring some one else in for depth. Mcardel is getting up there, Parker is injury prone, VJ was injured most of the year and unproven. we need another starter just in case even if they are a "#2".

[Tomlinson21]

I thought I was the only thinking we need a WR! I agree Wayne or Lloyd would be nice to have.

Jurevicious would be nice to have...I understand him and KMac both sport the same number and were team mates. But he's getting up there in age, too....

I also think Avant or Haas from the draft would be a nice addition too (both potentially 2nd or 3rd round picks in my view).

[CBO]

I thought I was the only thinking we need a WR! I agree Wayne or Lloyd would be nice to have.

Jurevicious would be nice to have...I understand him and KMac both sport the same number and were team mates. But he's getting up there in age, too....

I also think Avant or Haas from the draft would be a nice addition too (both potentially 2nd or 3rd round picks in my view).

If we could pick up a decent FA WR then I would like to get Moss from the U if he is available in the 4-5rnd. The kid can FLY. Hopefuly he will be like his bro in a few years. Llyod, VJ, Parker and Moss? I would like that

[JoeMcRugby]

From Scouts Inc. today (pretty much how I figured the Colts would handle it):
_____________________________

In other news, Scout.com has confirmed the Colts will do all they can to keep receiver Reggie Wayne with the franchise. Whether it is signing the productive pass catcher to a long-term contract or placing the franchise tag on him before the free agent deadline in March, the team is determined to pay what it takes to retain his services.

On the other hand, the future of Edgerrin James is less certain. The price to re-sign him may be a little to steep and the possibility exists that the veteran back will find employment elsewhere in 2006.

http://chargers.scout.com/2/491905.html

[loweezy]

Jurevicius is also someone I think that would compliment the chargers receiving core fairly well...

But with that said, we need a young guy that can grow with the team and organization that will be around for years to come. I think learning from keenan would work wonders.

[CBO]

I am curious to see how that will play out. I dont think they can keep Wayne, Edge. Plus see below is there list of FA this year. They have alot of important players to resign.

ColtsRaheem BrockDEUFAColtsRobert Mathis DERFAColtsLarry TripplettDTUFAColtsMike VanderjagtKUFAColtsCato June LBRFAColtsDavid ThorntonLBUFAColtsGary Brackett LBRFAColtsKeith O'Neil LBRFAColtsRob MorrisLBUFAColtsRocky CalmusLBUFAColtsMakoa Freitas OTRFAColtsEdgerrin JamesRBUFAColtsGerome Sapp SRFAColtsJoseph JeffersonSUFAColtsAaron Moorehead WRRFAColtsBrad Pyatt WRRFAColtsReggie WayneWRUFAColtsTroy WaltersWRUFA

[JoeMcRugby]

Jurevicius is also someone I think that would compliment the chargers receiving core fairly well...

But with that said, we need a young guy that can grow with the team and organization that will be around for years to come. I think learning from keenan would work wonders.
That guy is already on the squad: Vincent Jackson. :)

[loweezy]

i hope so. :)

i like vj's physical tools

[BoltsfanNYC]

VJ needs to grow mentally... he needs to line up in slot... TE whatever coaches tell him... and get reps.. he has tools... WR is our 3rd need...
offensive tackle... S or cb then G-C ILB we need 2-3 OLINE men a new coach... 2 guys in the secondary and ILB!

[JoeMcRugby]

VJ needs to grow mentally... he needs to line up in slot... TE whatever coaches tell him... and get reps.. he has tools... WR is our 3rd need...
offensive tackle... S or cb then G-C ILB we need 2-3 OLINE men a new coach... 2 guys in the secondary and ILB!

VJ also has the smarts.

He was an honor student in high school and college and scored a 34 on the Wonderlic, by far the highest of any WR at the 2005 combine.

After spending one full year linked to Hall of Famer James Lofton's hip and with the upcoming offseason training sessions, mini-camps, training camp and preseason games, I fully expect VJ to make a quantum leap in 2006.

I've mentioned this before, but I'll mention it again: the NFL Network's Mike Mayock (former NFL db and NFL personnel professional) stated before last season began that the key to the Chargers having perhaps the best draft in 2005 wasn't because of Merriman and Castillo - it was because of the drafting of Vincent Jackson.

2005 was a learning session for the small college Jackson. At the end of the year in his limited playing time, he had a chance to show some of the unique physical tools that he possesses.

In 2006, he'll have a chance to show the entire package. :Beer:

[CBO]

I agree and hope he gets more involved in the offense this year. You would think that with his size he should also be able to help the run game with some down feild blocking.

[laschwa]

i've been watching the steelers quite a bit over this post season.

and i think getting randle el would be a mistake.

he doesn't even start for the steelers. he's their 'trick' WR and third WR.

and yes, he can return punts and kicks. but that's not our primary need in a WR.

the only thing our WR group doesn't have is a legit #1 WR.
and randle el is not that.

randle el would battle parker for the 3rd WR spot or slot position.

whereas i think reggie wayne could become a #1. haven't seen him enough though to have a stronger opinion on that.

i'd personally rather spend our free agent money on O line and secondary.

[JoeMcRugby]

I agree and hope he gets more involved in the offense this year. You would think that with his size he should also be able to help the run game with some down feild blocking.

I forget which late season game it was - I believe it was Indy but am not sure, but VJ took a mere two steps inside and decleated the OLB coming outside to cover a sweep from LT. It was awesome!! :Beer:

[LT21Fan]

VJ probably isnt a #1, sign A Bryant (real good), B Lloyd, Nate Burleson, or Kevin Curtis

[Coltpsp21]

Reggie Wayne, may not have the speed of a number one receiver, but listen, the guy doesn't drop balls, ever, and he has the best foot, possession awareness in the league,(besides, Marvin of course) but the guy is young and talented, and makes Peyton look good at times, I hope we keep him, but any team would be a fool to pass him up.

[SuperBowlBolts]

VJ probably isnt a #1, sign A Bryant (real good), B Lloyd, Nate Burleson, or Kevin Curtis
and you say VJ isnt a #1 to what proof? i cant say he is a #1 nor can i say he isnt a #1 because i havent seen much of him. Right now is still a question mark. But with his physical abilities i cant deny he can become a solid #1

[loweezy]

antonio bryant has a lot of question marks... brandon lloyd is nice...
but kevin curtis? he's not even a #2 on his own team... i mean, understandbly since he's playing behind holt/bruce... but... #1? curtis wouldn't even command a 2nd round pick, which is where vj got picked last year.

[SillyBoltsFan]

We have VJ... and looks like Wayne won't be available either:

Scout.com has confirmed that the Indianapolis Colts will do all they can to keep receiver Reggie Wayne with the franchise. Whether it is signing the productive pass catcher to a long-term contract or placing the franchise tag on him before the free agent deadline in March, the team is determined to pay whatever it takes to retain his services.

[Tomlinson21]

I forget which late season game it was - I believe it was Indy but am not sure, but VJ took a mere two steps inside and decleated the OLB coming outside to cover a sweep from LT. It was awesome!! :Beer:
It was definitely Lynch coming from the outside on that play. I replayed that a few times....I know exactly the play you were talking about too...It was a sweep right; vJ motions inside towards Olivea's right side and just flat out knocks lynch outta tha play.

[LT21Fan]

and you say VJ isnt a #1 to what proof? i cant say he is a #1 nor can i say he isnt a #1 because i havent seen much of him. Right now is still a question mark. But with his physical abilities i cant deny he can become a solid #1

never said he wasnt a number 1 , im just saying big recievers with the exception of TO and Randy Moss really dont do too great. I think VJ could be a number 1 , i just said he PROBABLY isnt, he has potential to be one, but if a team was built of potential , the Lions would be SB champs...

[Tomlinson21]

From Scouts Inc. today (pretty much how I figured the Colts would handle it):
_____________________________

In other news, Scout.com has confirmed the Colts will do all they can to keep receiver Reggie Wayne with the franchise. Whether it is signing the productive pass catcher to a long-term contract or placing the franchise tag on him before the free agent deadline in March, the team is determined to pay what it takes to retain his services.

On the other hand, the future of Edgerrin James is less certain. The price to re-sign him may be a little to steep and the possibility exists that the veteran back will find employment elsewhere in 2006.

http://chargers.scout.com/2/491905.html
And I thought he was only worth "#2 money", Joe.... :)

[LT21Fan]

antonio bryant has a lot of question marks... brandon lloyd is nice...
but kevin curtis? he's not even a #2 on his own team... i mean, understandbly since he's playing behind holt/bruce... but... #1? curtis wouldn't even command a 2nd round pick, which is where vj got picked last year.

A Bryant is a good ass WR, probably better than McCardell when u avg in speed and all that stuff, A.B just needs to polish up some things, B. Lloyd is a very good WR, and sorry to say but Kevin Curtis played the #1 a few games when T holt was out with his knee i believe and mr bruce was out with turf toe... Curtis did rly well in them few games considering he had Shaun McDonald??? lined up next to him....all im saying is that the WRs we have arent rly the best, they will work , but i see a few upgrades on this list

[JoeMcRugby]

It was definitely Lynch coming from the outside on that play. I replayed that a few times....I know exactly the play you were talking about too...It was a sweep right; vJ motions inside towards Olivea's right side and just flat out knocks lynch outta tha play.

The details escape me in my rising age :o, but you're right: Lynch was sent airborne with the block.

BTW That was probably the only time Lynch got touched all day. :(

[Tomlinson21]

BTW That was probably the only time Lynch got touched all day. :(
that really sucks in hindsight....sigh. :(

[JoeMcRugby]

And I thought he was only worth "#2 money", Joe.... :)

Dollars to doughnuts that the ONLY reason why they tag Wayne (who like Brees wants a long-range contract) will be to extend the time period to get a long term deal or allow the Colts to trade him rather than get no compensation when he walks.

BTW I never said that no one would be foolish enough to pay Wayne #1 money, Tomlinson.

[OH-10BoltsFan]

Reggie Wayne would undoubtedly be the best WR for the bolts to pick up so we can have somebody to stretch the feild but if he is too expensive we might wanto to go for randle el (if pittsburg doesn't re-sign him) cuz he's quick and could help out the chargers greatly in the short passing game and also on punt returns

[cloveR]

Just chiming in here... but someone was saying why pay a #2 receiver (Wayne) #1 money. The reason why is becuase Wayne isn't going to leave the Colts to play sidekick to another receiver, he wants to be #1. Simple as that...

I have a question to the Antonio Bryant critics out there, whether you think he is good or bad... I want to know what you base this on? How many Cleveland games did you watch besides the Sunday Night game versus Pittspuke? He does drop balls, but how many did Gates drop this year? ;)

1,000 yards is a great achievement, for any wide receiver period... And since he has been in Cleveland, have you heard anything about his attitude problem?

He is a number #1 it is just that he drops the easy passes, and trys to catch balls with his body instead of his hands when trying to protect the ball from defenders... he jus needs to work on his concentration to make sure he isn't dropping those easy ones and he needs to be taught to catch with his hands and not his body, but even then he is still productive on a less than spectacular Cleveland team.

To be honest with you all, the Chargers don't need a WR. What they really need to do is learn how to close a game... and I don't think having a proven #1 is going to help in that category... JMHO

[BoltsfanNYC]

OK from that standpoint... WR is last on this list...
T-SS-CB-ILB-G-C-DT-FS-WR going from left to right and guard center go up if Godfrey plays next year.... is this fair?

[cloveR]

OK from that standpoint... WR is last on this list...
T-SS-CB-ILB-G-C-DT-FS-WR going from left to right and guard center go up if Godfrey plays next year.... is this fair?
Well with that said, I have to ask all Charger fans... how many leads did the Chargers blow in the 2nd half? Do you think that has more to do with the players on the field, or more with the gameplan of the coaches on the sidelines? The Chargers get outcoached in the 2nd half, not outplayed in my opinion...

A franchise left tackle is first on everyones list, they are hard to find, and only a few teams have them...I can only dream of the day my Cleveland Brownies gets one of those...:o

I think ILB is going to be a need of the Chargers. With Godfrey thinking of hanging the cleats up, it is only a matter of time, and Donnie E isn't getting any younger as well. They need to start looking for and grooming some guys to take over for those two...

As for SS, I would look for that in the draft...

I don't want to get any further off topic so I will leave it at that for now.

[BoltsfanNYC]

um... I didnt say franchise LT... only 4 teams have one of those.. I am looking for a good upgrade over what we have... and there are 3 in FA this year that could 1.. come in and start and give 2 depth..
this allows olivea to move back to guard... our center is a young good backup right now... a guy like mawae could come in and be a 2nd in command on the OLINE for our QB... and make him better for 2 years down the road... and in the meantime make our line a strongpoint.. instead of a game film area for attack by opposing teams...

[JoeMcRugby]

Well with that said, I have to ask all Charger fans... how many leads did the Chargers blow in the 2nd half? Do you think that has more to do with the players on the field, or more with the gameplan of the coaches on the sidelines? The Chargers get outcoached in the 2nd half, not outplayed in my opinion...
I've watched all 33 games the past two seasons, and in the 12 losses (including the playoff loss to the Jets), there was one common theme:

In each of the losses, the Chargers o-line were outplayed, and on several instances worked over (the Jets playoff loss in particular).

The Chargers aren't missing much from being a championship contender, but they're missing one of the top ingredients: an offensive line that can stand up against the best front sevens in the NFL.

Coaching is not without fault, but the o-line is by far the biggest need going into the 2006 offseason. :Beer:

[SuperBowlBolts]

I've watched all 33 games the past two seasons, and in the 12 losses (including the playoff loss to the Jets), there was one common theme:

In each of the losses, the Chargers o-line were outplayed, and on several instances worked over (the Jets playoff loss in particular).

The Chargers aren't missing much from being a championship contender, but they're missing one of the top ingredients: an offensive line that can stand up against the best front sevens in the NFL.

Coaching is not without fault, but the o-line is by far the biggest need going into the 2006 offseason. :Beer:
much agreed, AJ get us a line!!!! But i sure would like Chad Greenway with our number one =)

[JoeMcRugby]

Likely plan: Wayne stays, James leaves
Colts face tough decisions on 13 unrestricted free agents
By Mike Chappell
mike.chappell@indystar.com

Difficult offseason decisions loom for team president Bill Polian.

What to do with running back Edgerrin James? How about wide receiver Reggie Wayne? James is likely to go and Wayne is likely to stay, but they are just two of 13 Indianapolis Colts who will become unrestricted free agents.

What areas need shoring up? What's atop the team's shopping list in the April draft?

Those issues will be addressed, as they always have been, when emotions aren't so raw and so apt to influence judgments that must steer the team into 2006 and beyond.

"You need to take the emotion out of it, which I'm not quite ready to do just yet,'' Polian said Thursday, the sting of the Colts' 21-18 playoff loss to Pittsburgh still fresh.

Once the mind clears, he added, the Colts must "make some informed judgments as to where the team is and where it needs to go.''

Personnel changes figure to be few but significant. Five starters and place-kicker Mike Vanderjagt are among the players whose contracts expire in early March.

"One thing I'm sure of is we don't need to do a lot of building or reworking,'' Polian said. "We don't have nearly the momentous problems that the emotions would make you think we do.

"This is a good team and will remain a good team. As I sit here now, there are probably some spots we're going to need to shore up. We'll have some losses due to free agency. You always do.''

The first order of business is determining which players are vital to the team's future, which ones can be replaced via free agency or the draft, and which ones are affordable.

The status of James and Wayne is the most intriguing offseason issue for the Colts.

James is the team's career rushing leader and coming off one of his best seasons (1,506 rushing yards, 1,843 total yards from scrimmage, 14 total touchdowns). He'll be 28 when the '06 season opens.

Wayne led the Colts in receptions in '05 with 83. He's gotten better each season, and is 27.

It's a given Wayne and James will seek lucrative long-term contracts. Wayne probably would draw the most interest on the free agent market. James found no takers last offseason when the Colts allowed him to solicit trade offers after they named him their franchise player, and there's no guarantee the interest will be there in March.

Polian declined to address specific players in Thursday's interview, but there are indications the Colts will retain either James or Wayne, not both.

If that's the case, it's Wayne. Polian has told The Star in previous discussions Wayne "isn't going anywhere'' and reiterated that stance on his most recent Monday night radio show.

Just how the team retains Wayne remains to be seen. The most likely scenario is under the one-year franchise tag.

The NFL and its players association have been unable to reach middle ground on an extension for the collective bargaining agreement. Without one, the 2006 season will be the final one governed by the salary cap; '07 will be an uncapped year.

"The clock's ticking,'' Polian said.

Minus an 11th-hour resolution, a new set of rules goes into effect for player contracts. Signing bonuses of new deals can be prorated for only four years. More concerning is the "30 percent rule,'' which states a player's base salary can increase only 30 percent each subsequent year from the start of the deal.

Previously, teams have kept a player's initial salary cap number relatively low with backloaded deals: a big signing bonus and low base salaries in the first couple of years that mushroom later.

That blueprint no longer will work. To satisfy the financial demands of a marquee player, such as Wayne or James, a team will have to "front load'' deals, paying big initial base salaries along with the big signing bonus. That will result in a big cap number right away.

One option to at least keep a cap number reasonable will be to greatly inflate the signing bonus, which can be prorated. That requires an owner with deep pockets.

Under the new system, cash in the form of guaranteed signing bonuses will be paramount.

Colts owner Jim Irsay already must dole out roster bonuses of $10 million to wide receiver Marvin Harrison and $9 million to quarterback Peyton Manning, and an $8 million option bonus to defensive tackle Corey Simon. Backup running back Dominic Rhodes is due a $1.45 million roster bonus. There's a chance the team will not pay that, making him an unrestricted free agent.

Given the huge payouts due and uncertainty regarding the CBA, the only realistic option with Wayne is the franchise tag. A likely byproduct is the exit of James.

"It could be anybody,'' Polian said. "It's somebody every year. I know the fans are frustrated when that happens, but they should understand I'm as frustrated as they are, maybe more."

"You always have a loss in free agency that breaks your heart -- Marcus Pollard, Marcus Washington, Rick DeMulling. You don't like it, but that's the system and you have to move forward.''

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060122/SPORTS03/601220453/1004/SPORTS

[Tomlinson21]

I think you did, Joe...

Originally Posted by 14_Bolt
Remember, Gates requires double teams and he still can't be covered. I think Wayne is at the top of my list, followed by Randel El. Randel El was Cam Cameron's QB at Indiana.

And your response:

The question is: if that's the case (and we know it is), why would the Chargers compete with other teams to pay these number 2 receivers number one money? :confused:

If they'd be happy with a #2 WR salary, then great. But if they were willing to accept #2 WR money, they wouldn't leave their current teams.

IF they leave their current teams, it will be for one reason only: $$$$$$$. Spend the money on a veteran OT, SS or ILB (far greater needs), not a number 2 WR.

Besides, VJ will emerge in 2006 to such an extent as to make the WR position relatively pointless as compared to the other greater needs for the Bolts. :Beer:

[JoeMcRugby]

I think you did, Joe...

Originally Posted by 14_Bolt


And your response:

The question is: if that's the case (and we know it is), why would the Chargers compete with other teams to pay these number 2 receivers number one money? :confused:


What I said was that other teams will be competing and throwing out "number 1" money to number 2 WRs.

I don't see the Chargers doing that.

It doesn't mean that I don't think that other teams won't take a massive cap gamble that they can transform into a number one WR when they don't have an annual Pro Bowler taking away attention from them at the other WR. You always find teams who are foolish in their cap expenditures. Thankfully, the Chargers aren't one of those teams since AJ took over. :Beer:

[BoltsfanNYC]

um yeah... I would have hated to have LYNCH or LAW in our secondary... or a BIG tackle on the RT side! follish them... I think the team that bought that tackle... chicago made the playoffs!

[BoltsfanNYC]

if we had gotten him... I guarentee we make the playoffs! olivea would have played Guard then... and when injury hit we would have still had 1 good side!we had no side when oben got inflicted!

[cloveR]

I've watched all 33 games the past two seasons, and in the 12 losses (including the playoff loss to the Jets), there was one common theme:

In each of the losses, the Chargers o-line were outplayed, and on several instances worked over (the Jets playoff loss in particular).

The Chargers aren't missing much from being a championship contender, but they're missing one of the top ingredients: an offensive line that can stand up against the best front sevens in the NFL.

Coaching is not without fault, but the o-line is by far the biggest need going into the 2006 offseason. :Beer:

I understand that the play of the O-line has much to do with the losses, but what I don't understand is how the Chargers are constantly blowing leads in the second half of the game, or right before the first half ends. It just baffles me...

And just to clarify... I am not at all saying the Chargers need a new coach or anything of that sort, I just think that Marty and Co. have a hard time making adjustments during the game and at times their play calling is questionable...

[loweezy]

well... let's see... 05...

loss to dallas - 1st and goal from the 7? No gates? No problem. wait.... LT doesn't touch the ball once. They had timeouts and enough time on the clock.

loss to denver - terrible second half. after leading 14 to 3 at the half. seems like denver did the better job of adjusting. but i think, the offensive line played flat out terrible... allowing 4 sacks on the day... and i'm sure brees was hurried much more... also notable was brees, pick 6 to bailey...

loss to pittsburgh - bad clock management. trailing 22 to 21, the steelers orchestrated a game winning drive that ate up the clock and reed ended the game on a game winning fieldgoal...

loss to philly - tough luck loss of the year. missed block... huge hole... exploit that the eagles said they saw on tape... coachs' fault

loss to miami - flatfooted chargers... coaches or players? the secondary got torched late

loss to kc - outplayed. lost the turnover battle...

loss to denver - other than denver unfortunately being the better team... this loss is awarded to the line which gave up 6 sacks...

anyway... tough schedule... bla bla bla. 4 games against team coming off a bye... but the trend in most of these games have been the oline... and some questionable playcalling... of course losing turnover battles don't help either...

[JoeMcRugby]

Getting your butt kicked on the o-line and consistently losing the turnover battle catches up to you over the course of a 60 minute game. And poor execution in the stretch is the killer blow.

The Bolts didn't have a double digit lead in any of the losses except the Denver game where with an 11 point halftime lead, Brees threw an INT that was returned for a TD on the first play of the second half. Outside of that, all of the losses were very close games with the Chargers losing for the majority of the game in most of them.

The Bolts' problem wasn't "blowing leads" in 2005. It was their inability to close out the game in very tight contests due to problems shared by the players and coaching staff that let them down. :(

[Ikeman83]

Look, this is the "NFL Free Agent Wide Receivers in 06" thread, not the "Why did the Chargers lose the games they lost" thread.

Personally, I think that all of these "Free Agent" threads are misleading, because people are debating acquiring RFAs like they are UFAs, or players whose contract is simply about to expire like they are guaranteed to be gone in the offseason. I think that much better threads could have been made, about "What type of (insert position here) player do you think we need?" etc.

Also, when looking at these lists, don't just say we need a guy because he happens to be good. Reggie Wayne and Eric Parker are very similar players that fulfill very similar roles. I know for me if it's 3rd and long I'm expecting a completed pass to #88.

Is Reggie Wayne a great possession receiver? Yes, of course, duh. Do we need another possession receiver? No, we have 2 already: Kmac and Parker. I'm not trying to say that Reggie Wayne isn't a great player, or that he wouldn't be the best receiver on the majority of NFL teams, but he isn't a TRUE NUMBER 1 RECEIVER.

When looking at these "Free Agent" threads, please, please, please take a moment or a two to consider; Is there a real possibility of this guy being let go by his current team? Do the Chargers need this specific type of player? Is this player worth the cost of signing?

[loweezy]

as much as threads are created... it is sports... and people support statements with other arguments that tend to lead to a different direction. So you can't help but respond... and who cares about what the title of the thread is in comparison to what people are replying... whether it is for a receiver they want... restricted or unrestricted... or a receiver they think would fit best... the thread topic doesn't say "NFL Unrestricted Free Agents..." Let people have their fun... We all know some things are more farfetched than others... the man that knows best is aj... but we are still entitled to debating/discussing different scenarios...

though... of course as much as possible, things should be kept in their respective threads...

[Soul Assassin]

Braylon Edwards is coming to San Diego!

[FanSince1979]

Braylon Edwards is coming to San Diego!
I wish! That would be awesome!

[lightningstrike14]

Braylon Edwards is coming to San Diego!

Your right, Braylon Edwards will be coming to San Diego. Next season when the Browns show up to the Q for a beatdown!

[BoltsfanNYC]

??/ Umm we need blocking... and interceptors... last I checked braylon does neither!

[LarryAW]

I'm old enough to remember Jefferson. He had it good here. Let it get to his head. My wife remembers him more than any other Chargers except for Fouts. So your not alone I liked him too. I don't remember who we got from NO. So OK I'll bite. Who was it?

I am surprised you remember J.J. but not Wes Chandler, the receiver we got from New Orleans. I would have taken one Chandler over 3 J.J.'s any day of the week. That worked out real well for Chargers' fans.

[JoeMcRugby]

Braylon Edwards is coming to San Diego!

How are the Browns planning to absorb the massive cap hit the second he's traded? :Beer:

:rolleyes:

[JoeMcRugby]

I am surprised you remember J.J. but not Wes Chandler, the receiver we got from New Orleans. I would have taken one Chandler over 3 J.J.'s any day of the week. That worked out real well for Chargers' fans.
Actually, the Chargers didn't get anything from NO for J.J., Larry - although Chandler's acquisition was certainly connected with J.J.'s departure. ;)
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On the Receiving End
Chandler, newest member of team's elite, was a perfect fit in Air Coryell flight plan
July 13, 2001

On the morning of Sept. 30, 1981, Wes Chandler was summoned to an office occupied by Bum Phillips, then coach of the New Orleans Saints.

Never one to litter his conversation with fancy words, Phillips cut swiftly to the quick. Chandler had been traded to the San Diego Chargers.

This would have seemed a splendid development for Chandler. Not only was Bum a first name favored by Phillips, it also described his team. A gifted wide receiver who'd been the third athlete selected during the 1978 NFL draft, Chandler had been forced to beef up to 200 pounds for blocking duties demanded by the running game preferred by Phillips.

In San Diego, Chandler would be slotted into the most explosive professional offense ever seen. Air Coryell was off the runway and soaring.

"At the time, the trade was a very heartbreaking thing," says Chandler, who will be reintroduced to San Diego media today as a 2001 selection for the Chargers Hall of Fame. "I'd been a No. 1 pick by the Saints, and I felt like I'd let down the city of New Orleans."

Chandler wasn't heading toward a rousing reception, either. The Chargers acquired him to replace John Jefferson, whose spectacular catches and towel-waving, electric personality symbolized the dynamics of Air Coryell. When the wildly popular Jefferson attempted to use public appeal to leverage a second restructuring of his contract, however, owner Gene Klein instead traded him to Green Bay.

Local fans seethed. So did the coach. "I was devastated," Don Coryell said yesterday, from his retirement retreat on Puget Sound. "I didn't think anyone would be capable of replacing J.J. But Wes did."

Not right away, though. When offensive coordinator Ernie Zampese had a first look at Chandler his reaction was, "The guy is plain overweight.

"I came away from practice thinking, 'He may be finished.' I'd expected a lot more."

Recalling the early weeks here during a phone interview yesterday, Chandler said, "I came from a team that was running the ball 40 times a game to one that passed 40 times. I had to return punts and kicks, play a little halfback on third downs. I was afraid that my legs wouldn't last.

"There also was much that needed to be learned about that offense. It was a hard year."

During a 1982 interview -- following one of three All-Pro seasons -- Chandler told me, "The first time I looked at it, I knew this was not the stuff you see on an everyday game plan."

Chandler referred to 1981 as my "Bee-Line Express days. I wasn't included in the motion assignments. I wasn't expected to read defenders. I was told to just go straight downfield, and get there on time."

Chandler's 52 receptions for 857 yards that autumn were respectable totals, but pedestrian to fans still partial to the acrobatic Jefferson. But, when Chandler reported the following spring, his weight was 179 and the increase in acceleration dazzling.

The statistical up-curve would be equally stunning. Despite missing one game to injury and seven games to a player strike, Chandler caught 49 balls for 1,032 yards and a 21.1 average gain. Seagram's selected him for its Seven Crowns of Sports award as the NFL's outstanding player, the first time a wide receiver had been so honored.

Jefferson was a distant memory. The Air Coryell package again was complete.

"I was fortunate to be playing with a bunch of All-Pros who taught me how to elevate my game," Chandler said yesterday. "Dan Fouts helped build my confidence. Charlie Joiner was a mentor, who became a special person in my life. Kellen Winslow's presence, his ability to dominate a game, was inspirational."

Fans will remember Chandler for the speed, silken moves and steady hands that produced 373 receptions for 6,132 yards and 41 touchdowns during his seven years as a Charger. Others remember more.

"Wes was a tremendously gifted athlete, but also a great team guy," Coryell said. "He had the respect of both opponents and teammates. He's a quiet person, but when he did say something, everybody listened.

"The only thing I remember Wes doing that would be even close to showboating was spinning the ball on its nose after he'd scored. He was always thinking of ways to help the team. Once he had a huge bunch of shrimp shipped up from Florida so we could have a feed for everyone."

Chandler's final NFL season was 1988, but he didn't disconnect from football. Chandler spent eight years in Europe as a receivers coach, offensive coordinator, and in 1999 as head coach of the Berlin Thunder.
He's now approaching a second season as receivers coach for the Dallas Cowboys, where he's reconnected with Zampese.

On a Sunday next fall he'll reconnect with the main men of Air Coryell, this time completing a memorable offensive package for the Chargers Hall of Fame.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/cushman/20010713-9999_1s13cushman.html

[JoeMcRugby]

As I susected, it looks like Reggie Wayne will not enter the free agent market:
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Colts running back Edgerrin James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4652) told the Indianapolis Star he believes his playing days in Indianapolis are over.

"I don't see nothing happening,'' James told the newspaper Thursday night. "You can read between the lines and from the things I'm hearing, nothing's going to happen.

"And that's crazy, man. I'm part of the solution, I'm not part of the problem. Crazy, man."

James is one of four Colts starters that could become unrestricted free agents this year, along with receiver Reggie Wayne (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5477), linebacker David Thornton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5992) and defensive lineman Raheem Brock (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6096).

Colts general manager Bill Polian has said the team's offseason signing priorities are retaining Wayne and working out a contract extension for defensive end Dwight Freeney (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5897).

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2317349

[RAWDOGG]

As I susected, it looks like Reggie Wayne will not enter the free agent market:
______________________________

Colts running back Edgerrin James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4652) told the Indianapolis Star he believes his playing days in Indianapolis are over.

"I don't see nothing happening,'' James told the newspaper Thursday night. "You can read between the lines and from the things I'm hearing, nothing's going to happen.

"And that's crazy, man. I'm part of the solution, I'm not part of the problem. Crazy, man."

James is one of four Colts starters that could become unrestricted free agents this year, along with receiver Reggie Wayne (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5477), linebacker David Thornton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5992) and defensive lineman Raheem Brock (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6096).

Colts general manager Bill Polian has said the team's offseason signing priorities are retaining Wayne and working out a contract extension for defensive end Dwight Freeney (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5897).

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2317349

Mine too! But man I would have loved to have Wayne in a Charger uniform (at the right price):mad:

[Totally Bolted]

I am surprised you remember J.J. but not Wes Chandler, the receiver we got from New Orleans. I would have taken one Chandler over 3 J.J.'s any day of the week. That worked out real well for Chargers' fans.

Took you long enough to reply. :p . Your right I should have remembered Wes. I think what through me was the guy from N.O. I never seem to remember those types of things. I agree he is one of the Chargers all time WR's.

[Totally Bolted]

Mine too! But man I would have loved to have Wayne in a Charger uniform (at the right price):mad:

Givens! Now there's someone who would look great in a Charger Uniform.

[TCUFAN5]

they are INSANE to let Edge go...who are they going to use to EFFECTIVELY run the play action...Dominic Rhodes??? i would love to see Reggie in the Charger Blue...it would be Great but from what i see there they are going to sign him to a contract..but lets hope he gets USED unlike that big contract B. Stokely got and barely seen the field...

[JoeMcRugby]

they are INSANE to let Edge go...who are they going to use to EFFECTIVELY run the play action...Dominic Rhodes??? i would love to see Reggie in the Charger Blue...it would be Great but from what i see there they are going to sign him to a contract..but lets hope he gets USED unlike that big contract B. Stokely got and barely seen the field...

For the amount of money it will take to sign Edge, they're not insane.

They won't go with Rhodes. They'll pick up someone else who will do a solid job facing defenses that are focused on stopping the pass first and worry about the run second.

In the vast majority of cases, giving RBs huge multiyear contracts after they've spent a half-dozen years in the NFL is the road to cap hell. Halfway (or less) through the contracts, teams eat multi-millions when their bodies begin to break down. All it takes is the loss of a step for a RBs production to take a drastic downturn. The Colts won't give Edge an LT-like contract (which is what he wants) and IMO they'd be insane to do it.

[Sogvet17]

For the amount of money it will take to sign Edge, they're not insane.

They won't go with Rhodes. They'll pick up someone else who will do a solid job facing defenses that are focused on stopping the pass first and worry about the run second.

In the vast majority of cases, giving RBs huge multiyear contracts after they've spent a half-dozen years in the NFL is the road to cap hell. Halfway (or less) through the contracts, teams eat multi-millions when their bodies begin to break down. All it takes is the loss of a step for a RBs production to take a drastic downturn. The Colts won't give Edge an LT-like contract (which is what he wants) and IMO they'd be insane to do it.

Gotta agree with you as usual. I believe that james is a quality back, but with the WR and QB that Indie has just about any RB could succeed in their system. James has maybe two good years left on his body and any team that signs him longer that that will be eating the cap. I worry about LT and the pounding he has taken while the Bolts team struggled at WR and QB. Hopefully this will be the year that we either draft a future No 1 or sign a couple of field stretchers who are at the worst No 2 WR's....I am not holding my breath on either. Perhaps, VJ will be able to stretch the field a little more next year, and/or maybe use Davis and his 4.3 speed the way that Deon was used to get defenders out of the box against us. Of course, that would mean that we had a QB capable of throwing the ball 50-65 yards downfield with a decorum of accuracy (LOL)....IMHO

[Tomlinson21]

I think the Jets will snag Edge, take Fergusson at #4 and get a QB off of Free Agency...they might even take that kid in NE who I thought looked pretty sharp...I forget his name though. Schaub could fit that offense well in NY, too.

[JoeMcRugby]

I think the Jets will snag Edge, take Fergusson at #4 and get a QB off of Free Agency...they might even take that kid in NE who I thought looked pretty sharp...I forget his name though. Schaub could fit that offense well in NY, too.
No way Schaub will go anywhere - it's far less likely than PR being traded.

With Vick as injury prone as he is, Schaub is in Atlanta until the time he becomes an unrestricted free agent.

Cassell won't be an unrestricted free agent for three more seasons. I don't see the Pats trading him to the Jets.

[loweezy]

the colts just have too much money wrapped up in their passing game... they have to ensure that it stays effective... since that is where the majority of their money is... their bread and butter...

james... thus becomes expendable... moreso, than a wayne would... =P

[Tomlinson21]

Hey if they need a RB...I'm sure they wouldn't mind trading their #1 pick for Michael Turner...yup, the same Michael Turner that burned their undefeated season back in December...

I know Turner is definitely "hands off"...and I know I'm dreaming. But could you imagine that?
A #1 pick for Michael Turner????

Keep on dreamin.

[HighBoltage]

Maybe Reggie Wayne will see that he won't be able to win a Super Bowl with Peyton and come to SD for an SB with DB. He hasn't signed yet has he?

[JoeMcRugby]

Maybe Reggie Wayne will see that he won't be able to win a Super Bowl with Peyton and come to SD for an SB with DB. He hasn't signed yet has he?
No, but he will. It's the number one offseason priority for the Colts.

[Mr. Heisman]

Reggie Wayne won't happen, the edge will be gone in indy and indy will resign Reggie, and restruct Dwighty's contract. They don't have enough money to sign edge because mr. NFL boy hero, aka my team my team my team and my money, Mr. no title in how many years in the nfl, how many conf. games? mr. my my daddy use to play foootball*(picture forest gump saying that cuz that's what i hear when Peyton talks! is taking up too too much money! If he wants to win so much then he would have took a pay cut like a TEAM player like Tom Brady did and Elway did be4 he retired!

[JoeMcRugby]

If he wants to win so much then he would have took a pay cut like a TEAM player like Tom Brady did and Elway did be4 he retired!

Brady didn't take a pay cut.

He just signed a six year $60 million contract eight months ago.

BTW Manning will restructure his contract like everyone else. It may not be a "pay cut", but then again, many stars who restructure don't get less money.

And I don't believe that Elway took a pay cut - he apparently took the same amount of money in a manner to allow the Donks to avoid the salary cap rules - as it turned out, it violated salary cap rules and cost them a draft pick down the road, but what did he care? John had his two rings.

[Efocus22Z]

moulds was my favorite reciever in the league when i followed the bills for a while, then i followed Flutie to the Chargers and fell in love with the team since. I'd love to see moulds in the Chargers

[baddass4444]

I believe that Moulds already stated if he doesn't stay in Buffalo then he would retire.
If we are to do anything with WR it would be the draft, hopefully Moss in the 2nd round.
I would only want Lloyd as a possible WR free agent...




moulds was my favorite reciever in the league when i followed the bills for a while, then i followed Flutie to the Chargers and fell in love with the team since. I'd love to see moulds in the Chargers

[Ikeman83]

I believe that Moulds already stated if he doesn't stay in Buffalo then he would retire.
If we are to do anything with WR it would be the draft, hopefully Moss in the 2nd round.
I would only want Lloyd as a possible WR free agent...

Usually you draft the best player available while trying to meet your team needs and team style. Why is a running team going to have 6 WRs?

I can see us doing many things with the first three picks... none of them involves drafting a WR.

[Super.Chargers]

terrell owens We Need Him with keenan mccardell (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htfSkdc.pDq28Ad1tXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyZWUxbG5 sBGNvbG8DZQRzZWMDcXNzLXNwZWxsBHZ0aWQDQjEwMV8xMDA-/SIG=156jjljj6/EXP=1139524765/**http%3a//search.yahoo.com/search%3fp=keenan%2bmccardell%26sp=1%26fr2=sp-top%26SpellState=n-4275086789_q-PcnQ%252FDEWEhkxNigIO%252FqPsAABAA%2540%2540) we would be

stacked on offense if not owens Price would be solid

peerless price (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htfS.kc.pDbK0AO8tXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyYWhrcDV yBGNvbG8DZQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDcmVsBHZ0aWQDQjEwMV8xMDA-/SIG=140b0r97i/EXP=1139524900/**http%3a//search.yahoo.com/search%3fp=peerless%2bprice%2breleased%26rs=0%26fr 2=rs-top%26ei=UTF-8%26fr=slv1-msgr) he does well behind a solid #1 Wr but i

would love to see Rivers2Owens2k6 !!!!!

P.S. we can build defense in the Draft its proven..

Lights Out BaBy

im not a big fan of Castillo hes growing on me tho......

[RMANCIL]

Look, this is the "NFL Free Agent Wide Receivers in 06" thread, not the "Why did the Chargers lose the games they lost" thread.

Personally, I think that all of these "Free Agent" threads are misleading, because people are debating acquiring RFAs like they are UFAs, or players whose contract is simply about to expire like they are guaranteed to be gone in the offseason. I think that much better threads could have been made, about "What type of (insert position here) player do you think we need?" etc.

Also, when looking at these lists, don't just say we need a guy because he happens to be good. Reggie Wayne and Eric Parker are very similar players that fulfill very similar roles. I know for me if it's 3rd and long I'm expecting a completed pass to #88.

Is Reggie Wayne a great possession receiver? Yes, of course, duh. Do we need another possession receiver? No, we have 2 already: Kmac and Parker. I'm not trying to say that Reggie Wayne isn't a great player, or that he wouldn't be the best receiver on the majority of NFL teams, but he isn't a TRUE NUMBER 1 RECEIVER.

When looking at these "Free Agent" threads, please, please, please take a moment or a two to consider; Is there a real possibility of this guy being let go by his current team? Do the Chargers need this specific type of player? Is this player worth the cost of signing?

Your take on Wayne and mine are completely different, Parker and Wayne don't compare at all in my book.

Wayne is much more elusive than Parker after the catch and is a better deep ball threat.

That said Wayne is a bit of a long shot simply due to the fact that the Colts will spend a ton to keep him and Smith most likely won't get into the bidding war.

Wayne could be a number one with a lot of teams that don't have Marvin Harrision on the roster.

[baddass4444]

What do you guys think of Jabar Gaffney??? UFA from the Texans. I think he is a pretty solid WR and would be a great pickup for this team. I was thinking Brandon Llyod at first but then saw that he is a RFA, which means we could have to pay some compensation.

[ChampCharger]

What do you guys think of Jabar Gaffney??? UFA from the Texans. I think he is a pretty solid WR and would be a great pickup for this team. I was thinking Brandon Llyod at first but then saw that he is a RFA, which means we could have to pay some compensation.

This guy is solid. But he wants to be paid more just like all the other FA. I don't think he could be the #1 guy we're looking for.

[KYChargersFan21]

How are the Browns planning to absorb the massive cap hit the second he's traded? :Beer:
:rolleyes:


Are the Browns trying to trade Braylon Edwards?

[KYChargersFan21]

There is a lot of free agent talent out on the free agency market but i say we try to get a restricted reciever like Brandon Lloyd or trade for one like Charles Rogers,Javon Walker.

[TJ21]

There is a lot of free agent talent out on the free agency market but i say we try to get a restricted reciever like Brandon Lloyd or trade for one like Charles Rogers,Javon Walker.
Rogers has too many injury problems and would command a large salery and trade...

[SuperBowlBolts]

haha i just noticed Tim Dwight was a FA lets bring him back home!

[JoeMcRugby]

Are the Browns trying to trade Braylon Edwards?

Short answer: No.

[BoltsfanNYC]

no to both braylon and tim...

[LT LT LT]

Yes to Sinorice Moss. K mac Parker V Jack Sinorice 3 round though not first or second

[dserrano86]

Antwaan Randle El would be a good pickup for the Chargers. He has Super bowl experience and will be a good motivational tool for us to get back into the Super Bowl.

If the Steelers dont sign him, he would be a great number 2 wideout for the Chargers.

[BoltsfanNYC]

I think getting randle el and gates and parker and VJ we will be good for years!

[KYChargersFan21]

I think getting randle el and gates and parker and VJ we will be good for years!

parker is a great underrated reciever, Vj will be good in time at least i hope but randle el is not the answer, we need to get a guy who is young and likes to go deep and use his body, if this means go for a restricted free agent then do it(Hint:Brandon Lloyd)

[martijn83]

what do you think about koren robinson, he looked pretty good at the end of last season and the vikes will probably release him because he wants more money.
Could he be our nr1 reciever??

[Wales_Bolts_Mad]

Hey im a massive fan from wales in the uk and i love the bolts:Bolt: :Bolt:

what about Nate Burleson or David Givens?

[JoeMcRugby]

parker is a great underrated reciever, Vj will be good in time at least i hope but randle el is not the answer, we need to get a guy who is young and likes to go deep and use his body, if this means go for a restricted free agent then do it(Hint:Brandon Lloyd)
Our first and third round picks in April's draft for Lloyd?

Sorry, I just don't see it, KYChargersFan21.

[KYChargersFan21]

Our first and third round picks in April's draft for Lloyd?

Sorry, I just don't see it, KYChargersFan21.


Well there is always free agency to pick up an olinemen and a good safety....plus the secound round there could be potential and we need a star wide reciever and who better that brandon lloyd so yes i would give up first and 3rd pick for him.

[JoeMcRugby]

Well there is always free agency to pick up an olinemen and a good safety....plus the secound round there could be potential and we need a star wide reciever and who better that brandon lloyd so yes i would give up first and 3rd pick for him.
It will never happen with AJ.

I can count the number of players in the NFL that I would deem worthy of a first round and third round pick on one hand, and Brandon Lloyd is not one of those very few.

I'd much rather add talent in the draft with 1st and 3rd round picks (aka gold in the NFL) and add VJ to the mix with Eric Parker and Keenan McCardell, but that's just me. :Bolt:

[sundeval]

Well there is always free agency to pick up an olinemen and a good safety....plus the secound round there could be potential and we need a star wide reciever and who better that brandon lloyd so yes i would give up first and 3rd pick for him.


A first and third for Lloyd!!!!!!!!!!.....what have you guys been sniffing, wow. Im sure glad you guys dont make decisions for the Chargers or we'd be below the Cardinals for futility. Its unbelievable how you guys overate some of these players.....Randle El, Lloyd, etc. Randle El isnt even a No.1 WR on his team, and all of a sudden hes some sort of superstar? Dont get me started a bout Lloyd, of course he caught some balls, there was nobody else on the team to throw to. I gurantee you this, the Chargers sure as hell wont be trading a 1 and 3 for Lloyd.

[Wales_Bolts_Mad]

Nate Burleson?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!

[Bo1TZ]

A first and third for Lloyd!!!!!!!!!!.....what have you guys been sniffing, wow. Im sure glad you guys dont make decisions for the Chargers or we'd be below the Cardinals for futility. Its unbelievable how you guys overate some of these players.....Randle El, Lloyd, etc. Randle El isnt even a No.1 WR on his team, and all of a sudden hes some sort of superstar? Dont get me started a bout Lloyd, of course he caught some balls, there was nobody else on the team to throw to. I gurantee you this, the Chargers sure as hell wont be trading a 1 and 3 for Lloyd.

Did you guys seen the Chicago-San Fran game where Lloyd was scared to go over the middle about four or five times? they showed it on NFL Primetime later and i think that's the last thing that we need. an undersized receiver that is scared to go over the middle... Randle El in blue and gold.

[SuperBowlBolts]

no to both braylon and tim...
i meant to have sarcasim when i said tim. I guess it didnt get through but whatever lol

[DORIAN MILLS]

:Helmet: THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PICK I MUST AGREE HE'S GOT IT ALL SPEED, HANDS AND GOOD ROUTES

[SuperBowlBolts]

:Helmet: THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PICK I MUST AGREE HE'S GOT IT ALL SPEED, HANDS AND GOOD ROUTES
read the rules DONT POST IN ALL CAPS!

[KYChargersFan21]

Everyone has overlooked the troubled Koren Robinson...........we get him we be getting a good receiver and a great kick returner and he is unrestricted

[JoeMcRugby]

Everyone has overlooked the troubled Koren Robinson...........we get him we be getting a good receiver and a great kick returner and he is unrestricted

Possibly. But considering that his next strike results in a one-year suspension for the multiple-offender of the NFL substance abuse policy (and has already served one 4-game suspension), he'd have to be on the cheap or an incentive-laden contract.

[hartleyjc1]

I heard a nasty rumor that the Jags might be willing to can Jimmy Smith to free up some cap space. I don't have a link though, I should have posted it when I saw it.

[JoeMcRugby]

I heard a nasty rumor that the Jags might be willing to can Jimmy Smith to free up some cap space. I don't have a link though, I should have posted it when I saw it.

That wouldn't surprise me. The Jags need to shed cap space pretty badly. Look for Fred Taylor to get the axe as well.

As for Jimmy Smith - I wouldn't pay a lot of money for a 37 year old WR. After all, the Chargers already have 36 year old Keenan McCardell on the roster and he had almost identical stats as Smith in 2006.

[LT LT LT]

I really think Nate Burelson would be a great fit. Can stretch the field great potential and hopefully not the price tag. any thoughts on him?

[JoeMcRugby]

I really think Nate Burelson would be a great fit. Can stretch the field great potential and hopefully not the price tag. any thoughts on him?
Only a restricted free agent where the Vikings could merely match the Chargers offer to keep him.

If they don't match it, the Chargers will likely have to give up their 1st and 3rd round picks.

Add in that he had a horrible 2005 season.

My thoughts? No.

[LT LT LT]

I read on a list that he was a UFA looked for a while and could not find different. would not give up picks for him. You have to admit he is a good fit if the vikings let hin go.

[BoltsfanNYC]

um ok but so would hines ward LOL

[LT LT LT]

I don't think hines ward would be as good of a fit. The pricetag being problem number one and the age potential and speed being large in it as well. Burelson as the #3 reciever would be so beautiful. He can stretch the feild and then in the future he would be a great #2 along with Vincent

[badbeat21]

What are the chances of acquiring Eric Moulds or Antonio Bryant...? I think either one of these guys would fit in nicely.

[SDchargersLT21]

I really want Nate Burelson......

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/4896354_36_2.jpg


this dude .. in his first starting season he got over 1,000yards and 9 TDS

this dude wuld enhace our offense soo much..

hes a deep threat while doing all the little things too!!!!


watcha guys think???!!!!!

[loweezy]

i'd be happy acquiring nate burleson. :)

[SDchargersLT21]

that dude culd be a starr at the riite team....


CHARGERS!!!!

[JoeMcRugby]

I really want Nate Burelson......


this dude .. in his first starting season he got over 1,000yards and 9 TDS

this dude wuld enhace our offense soo much..

hes a deep threat while doing all the little things too!!!!


watcha guys think???!!!!!

Restricted free agent.

Somehow I don't see the Chargers giving up their first and third round picks for him when they have VJ ready to go.

[JoeMcRugby]

Everyone has overlooked the troubled Koren Robinson...........we get him we be getting a good receiver and a great kick returner and he is unrestricted

Talks are beginning between the Vikings and Robinson, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports. The Vikings want to keep Robinson, and he wants to stay.

If Robinson hits free agency, the Vikings have the ability to match any offer because he has a right of first refusal clause in the contract.

Robinson, who rehabilitated his career in Minnesota last season, previously expressed interest in returning close to home and joining the Carolina Panthers, who are likely to attempt to bolster their receiving corps.
After a difficult tenure in Seattle, where the receiver was dogged by off-the-field problems, Robinson earned a trip to the Pro Bowl as a return man in 2005.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors

[TheIceCreamMan]

oo yea RFA...forgot bout the restricted part...

Joe wut are the rules...bout the restricted part again?

[JoeMcRugby]

oo yea RFA...forgot bout the restricted part...

Joe wut are the rules...bout the restricted part again?

Depends on the amount of money the Vikes "tender" Burleson.

My take: they'll tender enough so that any team signing him to an offer sheet will have to give up 1st and 3rd round picks if the Vikes don't match the offer sheet. If the Vikes do match the offer sheet, then they keep him.

That's precisely why you rarely see any restricted free agents move anywhere if they're tendered a contract by their current team.

For example, the Chargers tendered all of their restricted free agents in 2005. All of them returned to the Chargers.

This year, the Chargers have tendered contracts to all of their restricted free agents except for Van Buren. Once again, expect all of them to return to the Chargers in 2006.

[TheIceCreamMan]

the Vikes have too mnay good Wide recievers...

robinson, burleson, williamson,K. Robinson.....

possible trade for one?

[JoeMcRugby]

the Vikes have too mnay good Wide recievers...

robinson, burleson, williamson,K. Robinson.....

possible trade for one?

Not this early in the offseason IMO.

I bet the Chargers want to see VJ's progress in OTA's and mini-camps before going into the trade market for a WR. If he's not developing at the rate they like, it's a possibility near training camp.

[TheIceCreamMan]

Were the chargers gunna pick up Mike williams WR in the draft if nobody took um by the their pick... (2005)

[JoeMcRugby]

Were the chargers gunna pick up Mike williams WR in the draft if nobody took um by the their pick... (2005)

I don't think so.

I think they were looking for Merriman or Ware with their first pick. They knew one would be there.

I believe they had a WR or OT like Barnes targeted at 28 if Castillo wasn't available. If they didn't pick up a WR with either of those two picks, I'm pretty sure VJ was targeted at the end of round 2.

I don't think that the Chargers could have dreamed that the first two rounds of the 2005 draft would unfold any better than it did.

[RMANCIL]

I really think Nate Burelson would be a great fit. Can stretch the field great potential and hopefully not the price tag. any thoughts on him?

He was a big disappointment last season when the pressure to step up was on.

The Bolts need a WR who either has big speed and great moves to give the team a real vertical threat or they need a player who is strong in the yac department either due to being very elusive or a tackle breaker.

Teams found out last season that by stacking the box running a gap control defense and doubling Gates while blitzing that they were able to shut down the Bolt offense.

The Bolts lack a wr who can go the distance and until they
1) improve OL / blitz protection

2) Sign WR that represents a real 6 point threat they will continue to see that type of defense.

Burleson lacks in all of those areas.

[Chargeroo]

Maybe we can just get two more TE's like Gates and sit the WR's down? :)

[RMANCIL]

Maybe we can just get two more TE's like Gates and sit the WR's down? :)

You know that the Bolts like Ryan Krause (misspelled) however he has a foot injury and we know the joy of TE with foot injuries.

The Bolts would love another good pass catching TE and I think they will draft one.

[Jackdani07]

Joe Jurviecious

[Jackdani07]

Is Randle El still availble

[56lightsout56]

NFL FA rated by potential signing bonus courtesy of:

http://profootballtalk.com/2006freeagency.htm

We could sign both Hutchinson and Bentley if we wanted and Hope and Kitna any others????????? (notes in "( )" are mine add ons


PFT 2006 FREE AGENCY RANKINGS

POSTED: February 23, 2006

Anyone can list free agents, or apply a letter grade or a number score to each of them. In the modern NFL, however, money talks and bullsh-t walks (it smells really, really bad, too).

So we'll list the 2006 free agents based on one and only one factor -- the signing bonus that the player is expected to receive.

Scientific? Hardly. Accurate? Perhaps. We had Reggie Wayne pegged at a signing bonus of $12.5 million -- and the contract he agreed to on Wednesday included a $13.5 million.

For players wearing the franchise or transition tag, there's a possibility that they will play under the one-year tender.

Here we go . . . .

John Abraham, DE (franchise tag): $14.0 million.
Steve Hutchinson, OG (transition tag): $13.0 million.
LeCharles Bentley, C: $12.5 million.
Shaun Alexander, RB: $12.5 million.
Nate Clements, CB (franchise tag): $12.0 million.
Julian Peterson, LB: $10.0 million.
Edgerrin James, RB: $10.0 million.
Darren Howard, DE: $9.5 million.
Matt Lepsis, OT: $9.0 million.
Gerard Warren, DT: $8.5 million.
Jeff Backus, OG (franchise tag): $8.5 million.
Antonio Bryant, WR: $8.5 million.
Drew Brees, QB: $8.0 million.
Charles Woodson, CB: $8.0 million.
Larry Tripplett, DT: $8.0 million.
Rocky Bernard, DT: $7.5 million.
Will Witherspoon, LB: $7.0 million.
David Thornton, LB: $7.0 million.
Brian Williams, CB (transition tag): $7.0 million.
Antwaan Randle El, WR: $6.5 million.
Will Allen, CB: $6.0 million.
Kevin Shaffer, OT: $5.0 million.
Anthony Weaver, DE: $5.0 million.
Jamal Lewis, RB: $5.0 million.
DeShaun Foster, RB: $5.0 million.
Aaron Kampman, DE: $4.5 million.
David Givens, WR: $4.5 million.
Toniu Fonoti, OG: $4.5 million. (NO WAY)
Jon Kitna, QB: $4.5 million. (REPLACEMENT???)
DeShea Townsend, CB: $4.0 million.
Koren Robinson, WR: $4.0 million.
Adam Vinatieri, K: $3.5 million.
Chris Hope, S: $3.0 million. (GO GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Ahman Green, RB: $3.0 million.
Justin Hartwig, C: $3.0 million.
Nick Greisen, LB: $3.0 million.
Adam Archuleta, S: $3.0 million. (POSSIBLE????)
Dexter Jackson, S: $2.5 million.
Chester Taylor, RB: $2.5 million.
Joe Jurevicius, WR: $2.5 million.
Ben Leber, LB: $2.5 million.
Ty Law, CB: $2.5 million.
Michael Bennett, RB: $2.5 million.
L.J. Shelton, OT: $2.5 million.
Chris Hovan, DT: $2.5 million.
Corey Chavous, S: $2.0 million.
Tommy Polley, LB: $2.0 million.
David Boston, WR: $2.0 million.
Chris Weinke, QB: $2.0 million.
R.W. McQuarters, CB: $2.0 million.
Kendrick Clancy, DT: $1.75 million.
Najeh Davenport, RB: $1.5 million.

[TheIceCreamMan]

is Brandon Lloyd still available

[LT LT LT]

How about we bring back David Boston and Toniu Funoti. :rolleyes:

[TheIceCreamMan]

haha...

David Boston..... bust/no good

[Jackdani07]

Again Joe Jurevicius he would be good

[RMANCIL]

John Abraham, DE (franchise tag): $14.0 million.
Steve Hutchinson, OG (transition tag): $13.0 million.
LeCharles Bentley, C: $12.5 million.
Shaun Alexander, RB: $12.5 million.
Nate Clements, CB (franchise tag): $12.0 million.
Julian Peterson, LB: $10.0 million.
Edgerrin James, RB: $10.0 million.
Darren Howard, DE: $9.5 million.
Matt Lepsis, OT: $9.0 million.
Gerard Warren, DT: $8.5 million.
Jeff Backus, OG (franchise tag): $8.5 million.
Antonio Bryant, WR: $8.5 million.
Drew Brees, QB: $8.0 million.
Charles Woodson, CB: $8.0 million.
Larry Tripplett, DT: $8.0 million.
Rocky Bernard, DT: $7.5 million.
Will Witherspoon, LB: $7.0 million.
David Thornton, LB: $7.0 million.
Brian Williams, CB (transition tag): $7.0 million.
Antwaan Randle El, WR: $6.5 million.
Will Allen, CB: $6.0 million.
Kevin Shaffer, OT: $5.0 million.
Anthony Weaver, DE: $5.0 million.
Jamal Lewis, RB: $5.0 million.
DeShaun Foster, RB: $5.0 million.
Aaron Kampman, DE: $4.5 million.
David Givens, WR: $4.5 million.
Toniu Fonoti, OG: $4.5 million. (NO WAY)
Jon Kitna, QB: $4.5 million. (REPLACEMENT???)
DeShea Townsend, CB: $4.0 million.
Koren Robinson, WR: $4.0 million.
Adam Vinatieri, K: $3.5 million.
Chris Hope, S: $3.0 million. (GO GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Ahman Green, RB: $3.0 million.
Justin Hartwig, C: $3.0 million.
Nick Greisen, LB: $3.0 million.
Adam Archuleta, S: $3.0 million. (POSSIBLE????)
Dexter Jackson, S: $2.5 million.
Chester Taylor, RB: $2.5 million.
Joe Jurevicius, WR: $2.5 million.
Ben Leber, LB: $2.5 million.
Ty Law, CB: $2.5 million.
Michael Bennett, RB: $2.5 million.
L.J. Shelton, OT: $2.5 million.
Chris Hovan, DT: $2.5 million.
Corey Chavous, S: $2.0 million.
Tommy Polley, LB: $2.0 million.
David Boston, WR: $2.0 million.
Chris Weinke, QB: $2.0 million.
R.W. McQuarters, CB: $2.0 million.
Kendrick Clancy, DT: $1.75 million.
Najeh Davenport, RB: $1.5 million.


L.J. Shelton, OT: $2.5 million.

David Givens, WR: $4.5 million.

Drew Brees, QB: $8.0 million.

LeCharles Bentley, C: $12.5 million.


That would make me pretty happy , Bentley is to high inop and in order for things to work he would have to come in for less but hey its fun.

[TheIceCreamMan]

is Brandon Lloyd still availlable....

[loweezy]

John Abraham, DE (franchise tag): $14.0 million.
Steve Hutchinson, OG (transition tag): $13.0 million.
LeCharles Bentley, C: $12.5 million.
Shaun Alexander, RB: $12.5 million.
Nate Clements, CB (franchise tag): $12.0 million.
Julian Peterson, LB: $10.0 million.
Edgerrin James, RB: $10.0 million.
Darren Howard, DE: $9.5 million.
Matt Lepsis, OT: $9.0 million.
Gerard Warren, DT: $8.5 million.
Jeff Backus, OG (franchise tag): $8.5 million.
Antonio Bryant, WR: $8.5 million.
Drew Brees, QB: $8.0 million.
Charles Woodson, CB: $8.0 million.
Larry Tripplett, DT: $8.0 million.
Rocky Bernard, DT: $7.5 million.
Will Witherspoon, LB: $7.0 million.
David Thornton, LB: $7.0 million.
Brian Williams, CB (transition tag): $7.0 million.
Antwaan Randle El, WR: $6.5 million.
Will Allen, CB: $6.0 million.
Kevin Shaffer, OT: $5.0 million.
Anthony Weaver, DE: $5.0 million.
Jamal Lewis, RB: $5.0 million.
DeShaun Foster, RB: $5.0 million.
Aaron Kampman, DE: $4.5 million.
David Givens, WR: $4.5 million.
Toniu Fonoti, OG: $4.5 million. (NO WAY)
Jon Kitna, QB: $4.5 million. (REPLACEMENT???)
DeShea Townsend, CB: $4.0 million.
Koren Robinson, WR: $4.0 million.
Adam Vinatieri, K: $3.5 million.
Chris Hope, S: $3.0 million. (GO GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Ahman Green, RB: $3.0 million.
Justin Hartwig, C: $3.0 million.
Nick Greisen, LB: $3.0 million.
Adam Archuleta, S: $3.0 million. (POSSIBLE????)
Dexter Jackson, S: $2.5 million.
Chester Taylor, RB: $2.5 million.
Joe Jurevicius, WR: $2.5 million.
Ben Leber, LB: $2.5 million.
Ty Law, CB: $2.5 million.
Michael Bennett, RB: $2.5 million.
L.J. Shelton, OT: $2.5 million.
Chris Hovan, DT: $2.5 million.
Corey Chavous, S: $2.0 million.
Tommy Polley, LB: $2.0 million.
David Boston, WR: $2.0 million.
Chris Weinke, QB: $2.0 million.
R.W. McQuarters, CB: $2.0 million.
Kendrick Clancy, DT: $1.75 million.
Najeh Davenport, RB: $1.5 million.


L.J. Shelton, OT: $2.5 million.

David Givens, WR: $4.5 million.

Drew Brees, QB: $8.0 million.

LeCharles Bentley, C: $12.5 million.


That would make me pretty happy , Bentley is to high inop and in order for things to work he would have to come in for less but hey its fun.
where are you getting those #'s. they seem to be off.

hutchinson's transition tag costs the seahaws about 6.3 mil, abraham is about 8.3 mil, jeff backus is about 6.9 mil, nate clements 5.9 mil...

LeCharles Bentley... would probably account for about 4 to 6 mil against the cap depending on how a team structured his contract... at least those are figures that are similar to what is believed he will sign for... 5 years 28 million... somewhere in that range.

[JoeMcRugby]

is Brandon Lloyd still availlable....

He's a restricted free agent.

He's available if you want to offer him a contract the 49ers won't match AND give the 49ers your 1st and 3rd round picks in April's draft. :rolleyes:

[JoeMcRugby]

where are you getting those #'s. they seem to be off.

hutchinson's transition tag costs the seahaws about 6.3 mil, abraham is about 8.3 mil, jeff backus is about 6.9 mil, nate clements 5.9 mil...

LeCharles Bentley... would probably account for about 4 to 6 mil against the cap depending on how a team structured his contract... at least those are figures that are similar to what is believed he will sign for... 5 years 28 million... somewhere in that range.

Those numbers are Pro Football Talk's guesses on how much of a signing bonus each player will get.

Farfetched in many cases. :rolleyes:

[RMANCIL]

where are you getting those #'s. they seem to be off.

hutchinson's transition tag costs the seahaws about 6.3 mil, abraham is about 8.3 mil, jeff backus is about 6.9 mil, nate clements 5.9 mil...

LeCharles Bentley... would probably account for about 4 to 6 mil against the cap depending on how a team structured his contract... at least those are figures that are similar to what is believed he will sign for... 5 years 28 million... somewhere in that range.

http://profootballtalk.com/2006freeagency.htm

Could be off it is just a fun thing to do.

[TheIceCreamMan]

wut if the 9ers dont do any contracts to Bradon Lloyd....
hes goes to FA?

[JoeMcRugby]

wut if the 9ers dont do any contracts to Bradon Lloyd....
hes goes to FA?

If everyone in the 49ers organization suddenly went down with a severe case of Alzheimer's, then yes he would be a FA.

The chances of the 49ers not doing any contracts with Lloyd are roughly the same as the Chargers trading LT for a 7th round pick.

It will take a huge contract the 49ers won't match AND a 1st & 3rd round pick to get Lloyd away from the 49ers. Nothing less.

In other words, Lloyd is an impossibility. Valuable restricted free agents are next to impossible to sign unless the team holding his rights lose their collective minds.

[sundeval]

......and why would we want Brandon Lloyd anyways? We already have WR's on the team with his ability and talent. I think any team that would give a 1st and 3rd rounder to aquire Lloyd have lost their collective minds.

[JoeMcRugby]

......and why would we want Brandon Lloyd anyways? We already have WR's on the team with his ability and talent. I think any team that would give a 1st and 3rd rounder to aquire Lloyd have lost their collective minds.

Couldn't agree with you more, sundeval. :Bolt:

[TheIceCreamMan]

Keenen Mcardell will prolly retire within 2 seasons....Eric Parker is no #1 option if even #2.... Reche Is goin to FA.... Vincent is a Good #2 ... we are in desperate need of a great Reciever if even a good one

[mueller]

Is McCardell a Free Agent or not? I have seen this posted earlier.

Keenan McCardell: signed 2-year EXTENSION thru 2007 on 3/9/05- + under new contract, he receives a 4.1M signing bonus payable in 2005 and base salaries of 2.65M in 2006 and 2.6M in 2007- + under new deal, his 2005 base salary in 2005 is lowered to 1M- + the new deal includes 4.1M in LTBE bonuses Agent: Gary Uberstine



I have also seen him listed on every site that list Free Agents. Did he have a player option or something in there? Thanks in advance

[Chargeroo]

Keenan McCardell is NOT a free agent.