Antoinne Randell El

[Danny5]

I think this guy would be great addition to our WR's and a good returner as well. Seeing that next year he'll be a FA - I'll just flat out say it, "he's the ****ing man and I want him on our team RIGHT NOW!!!!! :Beer:

[HeadTrip]

Another #2 WR? No thanks. Maybe we could grab Reggie Wayne, but even that is risky. I think we just have to give VJ some time and hope he developes into the player we drafted him to be.

[Chargeroo]

Another #2 WR? No thanks. Maybe we could grab Reggie Wayne, but even that is risky. I think we just have to give VJ some time and hope he developes into the player we drafted him to be.I agree except for this thought - he's a darn good return man.

[thesanityannex]

I think this guy would be great addition to our WR's and a good returner as well. Seeing that next year he'll be a FA - I'll just flat out say it, "he's the ****ing man and I want him on our team RIGHT NOW!!!!! :Beer:Why didn't you vote than. I'm the only one who said hell yeah.

[HeadTrip]

I agree except for this thought - he's a darn good return man.

I thought about that, but I think he will cost too much money to pay for a guy who might end up as our 3rd WR and a return man.

[Dan40]

He's one of three FAs I want the Chargers to target.

[SD_Connection]

Another #2 WR? No thanks. Maybe we could grab Reggie Wayne, but even that is risky. I think we just have to give VJ some time and hope he developes into the player we drafted him to be.

VJ is just a big possesion guy. we need a speed/deep threat guy. Randle El is just #2 cuz Ward is number one. put el in the charger offense then hes #1 haha.

seriously though i think Randel El would be the best WR to get if we cant get Wayne.

[bigbolthead21]

I think he can be a legit #1 receiver. I can see caldwell and randle el as our staters and VJ as our #3 in 2 years.

[SD_Connection]

I thought about that, but I think he will cost too much money to pay for a guy who might end up as our 3rd WR and a return man.

Who would be our #1, 2?? It would be Randel El, McCardell, Parker, VJ. VJ is not 1 or 2 material IMO.

[SD_Connection]

I think he can be a legit #1 receiver. I can see caldwell and randle el as our staters and VJ as our #3 in 2 years.

Caldwell will be let go this year no doubt

[LightningStorm]

I think this guy would be great addition to our WR's and a good returner as well. Seeing that next year he'll be a FA - I'll just flat out say it, "he's the ****ing man and I want him on our team RIGHT NOW!!!!! :Beer:


Reggie wayne would be the wideout we need and he is a free agent

[BoltsfanNYC]

OK... RANDLE EL 1 Mcardell 2 this year and let go next season... #3parker! then vinny jackson 4 and next season 2-3 great trasition!

I make Randle el top 5 consideration...
with hope pitt S-
tank CB-tenn
LT from det-chi-atl !
nate clements.. and jerry azumah... hutchinson G seattle a dream!

[SillyBoltsFan]

No way... whatever money pool is set aside for FA's, would much prefer it be used on o-line. Regardless of receivers or RBs, without improvement in the o-line it means nada. With a good o-line and the addition of VJ next year, the offense will be fine. If there were any $ left after the oline, next choice for FA is at the safety position. WR is waaaaaay down the list IMO.

[BoltsfanNYC]

do you even know our cap level? T are really expensive! And hutchinson is only good guard seattle will sign him or franchise him...

If we sign free agent S or CB and randle el we can then determine what to draft in the early rounds!!!!

we have the 19 and a good second rounder... we could always trade this and next years 1st to 49ers for 7 pick. and get BEST T if brick is there!!! I do this in a min... if we aquire a S-WR in FA!!! then Take talent

[Timmy]

I think he can be a legit #1 receiver. I can see caldwell and randle el as our staters and VJ as our #3 in 2 years.

Caldwell needs to work on fundamentals before he can become a real threat in the NFL..

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I still believe that Eric Parker is our best receiver..

[BoltsfanNYC]

parker is great... our top 4 guys are good enough to win SB look at the patriots... they dont have any real #1s... but we are a lot like them...
once our secondary is better and we shore up the oline... we will be a beast.

[LightningStorm]

No Way he is not a number one wideout and believe me if he was one the steelers would have found out they lacked wideouts the last couple of years

[BoltsfanNYC]

ward is a vet... randle el is has learned and now will shine!

[LightningStorm]

i still would like to grab reggie wayne instead you know what he is about and young also dont know if colts sign him

[Tomlinson21]

I agree Wayne should be a hot item this off season. I think AJ should try in every conceiveble, reasonable way to get him.

The Colts also have the running back issue to take care of as well with Edge. You can't keep em all, Indy...and if the deal is right I hope Wayne is in Charger Blue next year.

[Chargeroo]

I thought about that, but I think he will cost too much money to pay for a guy who might end up as our 3rd WR and a return man.You're right and that's a good point.

[JohnnyUtah]

I really like Randle El as well and think he would be a great asset. Someone posted it on another post that needs some consideration and that is, Randle El could also be a 3 QB so we could only have 2 real QB's on our roster if need be and use that spot for another position.

either way I think he is a gamer and would make our return game, and our passing game quite a bit more dangerous.

[JoeMcRugby]

He won't be leaving Pittsburgh.

He'll be signed in February will never make it to the free agent market in March.

In all likelihood, Wayne will be in the same boat.

[BoltsfanNYC]

either is upgrade! I want randle and a FA S!!! that is all!! we can then draft superbowl run!!!!!!!!!!

[Tomlinson21]

He's too small...but go tell Steve Smith that. :)

I want Reggie Wayne...BIGTIME.

[Tomlinson21]

In all likelihood, Wayne will be in the same boat.
Not to challenge your statement Joe (because I probably know I'd lose. :) ) But, I think you said the same thing with Brees leaving and Rivers staying not too long ago, Joe...now talks about a long term contract are being "discussed" with the Front Office and Brees and Rivers is "not going to be traded"....

....Who woulda thunk that? :)

All I'm saying is Wayne can be a hot commodity in the NFL. I don't think he's going to want to hang around carrying Harrison's jock strap for the rest of his career. He's been in the league for 5 years and I'm sure he's proven he make it as a #1 on another team and establish his own identity and fanfare.

The Colts have other worries as well such as their RB issue as well as a very hefty contract Manning signed not too long ago. I don't think the Colts FO wil be able to keep both of em happy for long.

[BoltsfanNYC]

Reggie just showed planet he needs to be showed the cash! san diego better weather... and he will test FA market as colts have been punks recently at paying there players... besides harrison and manning! see edge!
randle el I agree pitt does whats right there... but hope might be cut free as he is getting good payday/. somehow the raiders will cap him in! they always seem to find more cap than anyone except Washington..

[SillyBoltsFan]

do you even know our cap level? T are really expensive! And hutchinson is only good guard seattle will sign him or franchise him...

If we sign free agent S or CB and randle el we can then determine what to draft in the early rounds!!!!

we have the 19 and a good second rounder... we could always trade this and next years 1st to 49ers for 7 pick. and get BEST T if brick is there!!! I do this in a min... if we aquire a S-WR in FA!!! then Take talent
At this point other than saying that the Chargers are in quite good shape cap wise, anything else would be speculation and will remain so until at least after Drew's contract is negotiated. Joe might be able to give a rough number though.

Yes, top quality tackles are expensive... but no more so than top quality WRs can be. IMO the Chargers have a much higher need for oline help than they do WR.

In regards to Hutchinson and Seattle - OT is a greater immediate need than OG. That said, remember that Seattle has Alexander to resign and likely won't have the cap space to do that and franchise tag Hutchinson.

Trading 2 1sts and a 2nd to get Da'Brick would be folly.

[jazzing]

VJ is just a big possesion guy. we need a speed/deep threat guy. Randle El is just #2 cuz Ward is number one. put el in the charger offense then hes #1 haha.

seriously though i think Randel El would be the best WR to get if we cant get Wayne.


Ditto--and I think we have a better chance to sign him. I don't see Indy not finding a way to resign Wayne--heck he had 1 more reception than Harrison. Plus, Randle didn't have a big stats season which had nothing to do with his abilities so I think he would be not nearly as expensive to sign as Wayne.

[Chargeroo]

VJ is just a big possesion guy. we need a speed/deep threat guy. Randle El is just #2 cuz Ward is number one. put el in the charger offense then hes #1 haha.

seriously though i think Randel El would be the best WR to get if we cant get Wayne. VJ is the same size as T. Owens and he's pretty fast - 4.46 according to the combine. Uf he knows how to use that big body, he can be a number one type guy.

Reggie Wayne seems very fast and he makes a lot of catches but I wonder if Indy will let him hit the FA market and I wonder too if he'd be so great without Harrison on the other side?

In short, I doubt we'll find a lot of help in this FA market for WR's.

[JoeMcRugby]

Not to challenge your statement Joe (because I probably know I'd lose. :) ) But, I think you said the same thing with Brees leaving and Rivers staying not too long ago, Joe...now talks about a long term contract are being "discussed" with the Front Office and Brees and Rivers is "not going to be traded"....

....Who woulda thunk that? :)

All I'm saying is Wayne can be a hot commodity in the NFL. I don't think he's going to want to hang around carrying Harrison's jock strap for the rest of his career. He's been in the league for 5 years and I'm sure he's proven he make it as a #1 on another team and establish his own identity and fanfare.

The Colts have other worries as well such as their RB issue as well as a very hefty contract Manning signed not too long ago. I don't think the Colts FO wil be able to keep both of em happy for long.
Actually, I thought that I stated that both QBs will likely be back in 2006. ;)

As for Brees' long term deal, they said they're going to start discussions. Unfortunately, as Charger fans, we've found that there's a big difference between "discussions" and coming to an agreement.

But that's for the other 100 threads on the topic.

As for Wayne, he's seen how successful that the numerous number 2 WRs have done when they've left the security blanket of their number 1 on the other side and their high powered offenses. I can't think of too many who have succeeded, and believe me, Wayne will study that before making his decision.

IF Wayne does leave Harrison, Manning and James, look for him to go back home (to the U) this offseason. The Fins have a lot of cap space as well.

[Tomlinson21]

But the Phins already have a #1 in Chris Chambers...think he wants to carry Chambers jock for another 5 years, too?? I don't think so, Joe...:)

He wants to be the #1...and he has an opportunity to do so in SD...

McCardell is not getting younger....VJ still has a whole season to get really acclimated in the league...what better model to follow than a player like Wayne and KMac??

Just my 2 cents....

[Chargeroo]

But the Phins already have a #1 in Chris Chambers...think he wants to carry Chambers jock for another 5 years, too?? I don't think so, Joe...:)

He wants to be the #1...and he has an opportunity to do so in SD...
.... Did you read that somewhere or is that just something you think?

[Sriprachandr]

The Chargers need a small, speedy reciever who can pick up yards after the catch. Santana Moss and Steve Smith have done wonders for their teams. Randle El fits that role perfectly. Since he can run after the catch, those who knock Brees' arm strength won't have to worry about the lack of big plays in the passing game, because a hitch can become an 80 yard play with a reciever like Randle El.

[ltinabottle]

I think a number 1 receiver is not a priority but an eventual need. We have to give Brees time to throw whether it be a hitch or a long ball. Let's address our O-line...Hutchison would be an awesome addition along with drafting a tackle. If we have the money to go for Randel El...then maybe ...otherwise lets plug our holes first.

Go Bolts :Bolt:

[Chargeroo]

This big need for Antwann Randle El is a case of the grass is always greener on the other side of the street. Did any of you who are saying what a great big help this speedster will be take a minute to look up just what he's been doing? Just how many more yards per catch does he have than our guys? Well I did -

Antwaan Randle El = 12.4
Reche Caldwell = 12.5
Eric Parker = 13.9

and I bet all of you that want us to spend big bucks to get him probably also say that Brees has a weak arm - wish we could trade him for Ben, don't you?

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I think many fans don't know just how much talent we have on this team.

[Tomlinson21]

Did you read that somewhere or is that just something you think?
He will be an UNRESTRICTED free agent in the off season...the possibility SHOULD be there for AJ to consider. What makes you think he does not want to go somewhere where he can make an impact and make his own legacy than to shadow Harrison all his career? Have you seen his stats? Someone that can put up numbers behind a player like Marvin is incredible. Heck he did it last year when all 3 players went over 1000 yards. It's not like KMac's the next Jerry Rice at his age.

Of course this isn't something I read....it's stating the obvious. Who wants to be the #2 guy all his career? Go ask Rivers that question...the difference is that he's under contrat and Wayne is free as a bird with wings...

You can ONLY EXPECT him to look for another team in 06...and we have a legitimate shot at him if AJ really wants him here.

[Sriprachandr]

This big need for Antwann Randle El is a case of the grass is always greener on the other side of the street. Did any of you who are saying what a great big help this speedster will be take a minute to look up just what he's been doing? Just how many more yards per catch does he have than our guys? Well I did -

Antwaan Randle El = 12.4
Reche Caldwell = 12.5
Eric Parker = 13.9

and I bet all of you that want us to spend big bucks to get him probably also say that Brees has a weak arm - wish we could trade him for Ben, don't you?

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I think many fans don't know just how much talent we have on this team.2005 yards per catch:
Randle El=15.9
Caldwell=12.6
Parker=12.7

[Shamrock]

A few years ago, Peerless Price was thought of to be in the shadow of Eric Moulds on the Bills, and that was the only thing that kept him from being a legit #1. He got his big payday from Atlanta, and never lived up to the billing.

Further back in time, Alvin Harper lived under the shadow Michael Irvin on the Cowboys. Harper went off to the Bucs, and never produced even #2 stats when he became the #1 in Tampa Bay.


Randall-El looks and plays like a #2. We have 3 guys that are very similar to him (McCardell, Parker and Caldwell). He would be an upgrade as a returner, but that value wouldn't match his cost.

No thanks.

[Chargeroo]

2005 yards per catch:
Randle El=15.9
Caldwell=12.6
Parker=12.7One good year or a good career, which would you rather have? On the other hand, I'm happy to se someone took a minute to look it up. Too many people just post "I want this guy or that guy" without knowing much about them. So congratualtions Sriprachandr, good job!

[Sriprachandr]

One good year or a good career, which would you rather have?Right now.. would you take Jerry Rice or Steve Smith? Career numbers:
Randle El=162-2012-7
Caldwell=76-950-7
Parker=139-1927-11
Parker does have more touchdowns to his credit.

[HeadTrip]

I can't believe that some of you have given up on VJ. He is one of the best physical speciemens in the NFL after coming out of a small school. He was never suposed to have a big impact this year. The guy needs time to learn. being 6'5'' 240 and running a 4.46 means he is perfectly capable of being our short and deep threat, but he will never get there without learning how to play the game.

[Shamrock]

I can't believe that some of you have given up on VJ.

I'm really looking forward to V. Jackson making a big step next season. I'd also like to see them resign Caldwell.

WR should be one of AJ Smith's least concerns. Fixing the OL and the middle of the defense behind Jamal Williams are HUGE priorities.

[Chargeroo]

I can't believe that some of you have given up on VJ. He is one of the best physical speciemens in the NFL after coming out of a small school. He was never suposed to have a big impact this year. The guy needs time to learn. being 6'5'' 240 and running a 4.46 means he is perfectly capable of being our short and deep threat, but he will never get there without learning how to play the game. Right on the nose Headtrip. He had some long lasting injury problems but his size/speed/hands make him look like a future star. While people are daydreaming about adding someone from another team at a high salary, we may actually already have the guy we need on the team, and at a reasonable salary.

[Chargeroo]

Right now.. would you take Jerry Rice or Steve Smith? Career numbers:
Randle El=162-2012-7
Caldwell=76-950-7
Parker=139-1927-11
Parker does have more touchdowns to his credit. I'm afraid.I missed your point. What do Rice and Smith have to do with it?

My point though is still valid. We have all kinds of people all over the idea of landing Randle El when he's actually very similar to Parker and Caldwell. If they're going to start pulling for adding someone, if they really think a WR is a big need why not look at the numbers and hope for the best guy available ? It's not about getting different people, it's about getting better people.

[Sriprachandr]

I'm afraid.I missed your point. What do Rice and Smith have to do with it?

My point though is still valid. We have all kinds of people all over the idea of landing Randle El when he's actually very similar to Parker and Caldwell. If they're going to start pulling for adding someone, if they really think a WR is a big need why not look at the numbers and hope for the best guy available ? It's not about getting different people, it's about getting better people. Rice and Smith = Career numbers vs. recent numbers.

[BoltsfanNYC]

I didnt say 2 1sts and a second... just 2 firsts.... no other tackle has more upside... and he is clearly the best!

[Evil47]

Yo.....Randle El is a #2 WR but we can make him #1 on our roster.....he has shown that he has good hands and speed.....and Hines Ward is a tough wr to beat out...look at Plaxico on the Giants....he was a #2 and look at him now.

[Chargeroo]

Rice and Smith = Career numbers vs. recent numbers. Oh, so you're meaning is that the one years numbers, being the most recent, means he's better? Could be, but it could also be that his QB had more time to wait for him to get open or he had more single coverage or simply played against some poorer defenses. Since they are all about the same size and speed, I think any of them could end up having a better career, but I also think they are really pretty similar.

[Sriprachandr]

Oh, so you're meaning is that the one years numbers, being the most recent, means he's better? Could be, but it could also be that his QB had more time to wait for him to get open or he had more single coverage or simply played against some poorer defenses. Since they are all about the same size and speed, I think any of them could end up having a better career, but I also think they are really pretty similar.I just think Randle El looks better than the other two when I watch him play and that he would be a better fit for the Chargers considering their short passing scheme and the way he picks up yards after the catch.

[Tomlinson21]

I'm really looking forward to V. Jackson making a big step next season. I'd also like to see them resign Caldwell.

WR should be one of AJ Smith's least concerns. Fixing the OL and the middle of the defense behind Jamal Williams are HUGE priorities.
Those 2 positions can still be filled in the draft...and some.

Get a stud WR in FA: that takes away the waste of a pick on one...when you can use those picks on the positions you just mentioned.

[SillyBoltsFan]

I didnt say 2 1sts and a second... just 2 firsts.... no other tackle has more upside... and he is clearly the best!
I'm sorry, must have misunderstood you when you said this:
we have the 19 and a good second rounder... we could always trade this and next years 1st to 49ers for 7 pick. and get BEST T if brick is there!!!
Two first rounders is still significantly too much for Da'Brick in my view... even though he may well end up being a Pro-Bowl quality left OT. A 1st and a 2nd might equate to moving up that far in the draft. Also unlikely that he would be available with the 7th pick - much more likely he'll go in the top 5 based upon information available at this point in time.

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For those so hot for a WR like Randell El, a few questions I'm curious about...

Do you not think given VJ's size, speed, and catching capability demonstrated thus far that he is incapable of being the very type of receiver that would provide the Chargers with what any of the FA receivers could - and at a much better price?

Would you not agree that the oline is in need of upgrading more than the WR position is? And what about one of the safety positions?
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[Tomlinson21]

A few years ago, Peerless Price was thought of to be in the shadow of Eric Moulds on the Bills, and that was the only thing that kept him from being a legit #1. He got his big payday from Atlanta, and never lived up to the billing.

Further back in time, Alvin Harper lived under the shadow Michael Irvin on the Cowboys. Harper went off to the Bucs, and never produced even #2 stats when he became the #1 in Tampa Bay.


Randall-El looks and plays like a #2. We have 3 guys that are very similar to him (McCardell, Parker and Caldwell). He would be an upgrade as a returner, but that value wouldn't match his cost.

No thanks.
So to Roo and the others who think I don't know what I'm talking about: "Who is our #1 WR anyway?". As i've said Reggie Wayne will fit perfect in this offense as the CLEAR #1. Please don't tel me VJ will be the #1 next year because he won't.

It sure aint Gates because last I checked he's a TE and the best in the league so it's needless to say that he's a WR because he isnt.

[Shamrock]

So to Roo and the others who think I don't know what I'm talking about: "Who is our #1 WR anyway?". As i've said Reggie Wayne will fit perfect in this offense as the CLEAR #1. Please don't tel me VJ will be the #1 next year because he won't.
We don't have a true #1 in the sense of a guy like Moss, TO, Chad Johnson etc - unless Jackson develops into one.

The Pats haven't had a true #1 WR and have won 3 Super Bowls.

A collection of #2's can get the job done. Adding another #2 like Randal-El makes absolutely ZERO sense. He's just a copy of what we already have. On top of that, his price will be more than his worth.

Use the money for OL, ILB and safety. Those are our weak spots.

[619Steelerfan]

You totally butchered his name. Anyways, I don't see him leaving da 'burgh.

[SinCityBoltFan]

w/ the 19th pick, you take Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia. he could be a receiving threat w/ Gates, help out w/ the blocking on the left side. defenses wouldn't be able to tell if we r running or passing. blocking & receiving. versatile. just how AJ likes em. Gates, Pope, & VJ, 3 recievers, all over 6`4``. Remember, Brees is only 6 feet tall. he`ll need em.

[JoeMcRugby]

He will be an UNRESTRICTED free agent in the off season...the possibility SHOULD be there for AJ to consider. What makes you think he does not want to go somewhere where he can make an impact and make his own legacy than to shadow Harrison all his career? Have you seen his stats? Someone that can put up numbers behind a player like Marvin is incredible. Heck he did it last year when all 3 players went over 1000 yards. It's not like KMac's the next Jerry Rice at his age.

Of course this isn't something I read....it's stating the obvious. Who wants to be the #2 guy all his career? Go ask Rivers that question...the difference is that he's under contrat and Wayne is free as a bird with wings...

You can ONLY EXPECT him to look for another team in 06...and we have a legitimate shot at him if AJ really wants him here.

Wayne (and Randle El) through March 1st are exclusively under the negotiation rights of the Colts and Steelers respectively.

And I know that you know that there's an eensy weensy itty bitty difference between a #2 QB and a #2 WR, right Tomlinson? ;)

[Thunderstruck21]

i would love to get randall el if we cant get wayne, he would be the deep threat/return man we need, sorry but VJ is a possesion reciever with great size but randall el is a speedster.

[JoeMcRugby]

Yo.....Randle El is a #2 WR but we can make him #1 on our roster.....he has shown that he has good hands and speed.....and Hines Ward is a tough wr to beat out...look at Plaxico on the Giants....he was a #2 and look at him now.

A quitter who gave up when the game counted.

Nothing has changed with Plexiglass. :rolleyes:

[JoeMcRugby]

i would love to get randall el if we cant get wayne, he would be the deep threat/return man we need, sorry but VJ is a possesion reciever with great size but randall el is a speedster.

What are you basing your conclusion on that VJ is a possession receiver?

A gut feeling? Or some facts? :confused:

[JoeMcRugby]

So to Roo and the others who think I don't know what I'm talking about: "Who is our #1 WR anyway?". As i've said Reggie Wayne will fit perfect in this offense as the CLEAR #1. Please don't tel me VJ will be the #1 next year because he won't.

It sure aint Gates because last I checked he's a TE and the best in the league so it's needless to say that he's a WR because he isnt.
I'm not sure you understand what we're talking about, Tomlinson:

A "#1 WR" is not merely the best WR on the roster.

A #1 WR is a WR who can dominate while being double teamed on every play with the pass defense primarily focused on stopping him. I'm guessing that it's pushing the envelope to guesstimate that only about 1/3 of the NFL franchises have a legitimate "#1 WR".

Wayne never gets that attention because the other team is focusing on Harrison.

There is no way to predict that Wayne will become Marvin Harrison when traded to another team and all of a sudden becoming THE focus for the opposing team's secondary coverage. Wayne, like Alvin Harper of the Cowboys and Peerless Price of the Bills, looks great when Michael Irvin or Eric Moulds (in his prime) is being double covered on the other side of the field.

The problem with signing a guy like Wayne is that you'll be paying an exorbinant amount of cash for a #2 WR talent. Wayne is not Steve Smith, or Randy Moss, or Hines Ward, or Terrell Owens, or Rod Smith, or the other handful of #1 WRs in the NFL, but you'll have to pay him like one of them if you want him in free agency.

A foolish waste of cash IMO when the o-line, ILB and safety positions are far far far bigger needs than WR with the Chargers. And the fact that the Chargers already have AG as a threat to concern the secondary makes it even more unwise to spend mega-millions of cap space on a #2 WR who you hope and pray will turn out to be a #1 after he leaves the team, system and supporting cast that made him attractive to other teams.

[LT LT LT]

I would say we could use more of a big play reciever than a guy who can beat doule teams consistantly. But I am real jealous of Santana Moss and Steve Smith. I think fixing the oline would do the trick for our offense.

[HeadTrip]

Can anyone explain why VJ cannot be a true #1 WR? Is it because he didn't have a breakout year this season or....?

[Sirbob]

Can anyone explain why VJ cannot be a true #1 WR? Is it because he didn't have a breakout year this season or....?
VJ could do it, I also agree with Joe on what a #1 WR is Wane could help us because GATES/LT would be our #1 rep (reason for 8 in the box issue). Wane would help but he isn't a 1. What is needed is hard to find.

S. Smith
R. Moss
S. Moss
TO
Chad J.

Getting anyone "Could" help, but I think its a waste of money. If we start Rivers Get a WR! If Drew Brees starts get Oline - Oline.
Edit: I voted "Who cares" me and one other guy. Randle El won't hurt won't help.

[Tomlinson21]

VJ could do it, I also agree with Joe on what a #1 WR is Wane could help us because GATES/LT would be our #1 rep (reason for 8 in the box issue). Wane would help but he isn't a 1. What is needed is hard to find.

S. Smith
R. Moss
S. Moss
TO
Chad J.

Getting anyone "Could" help, but I think its a waste of money. If we start Rivers Get a WR! If Drew Brees starts get Oline - Oline.
Edit: I voted "Who cares" me and one other guy. Randle El won't hurt won't help.
I was the other voter.

[Tomlinson21]

Can anyone explain why VJ cannot be a true #1 WR? Is it because he didn't have a breakout year this season or....?
He has not played enough...period.

Yes, there was signs of greatness when was in there...but he's barely got his feet wet in the league.

To assume that he will be the #1 guy in SD in 06 is really that: an assumption. Would Reggie Wayne change WR roles in this offense: yes. Will it change the way defenses cover us in the passing game. Tremendously.

Our offense is so predictable: Brees to Gates, run with LT. Take these 2 guys out in a game and it's over. We need to be more dimensional than that.

I agree, we need o-line and safety and both positions are fairly deep in the draft. ILB??? What's Wilhelm doing in there? Picking his nose? Twiddlling fingers?

[fastbolt19]

oh he be so good for this team.

[HeadTrip]

He has not played enough...period.

Yes, there was signs of greatness when was in there...but he's barely got his feet wet in the league.

To assume that he will be the #1 guy in SD in 06 is really that: an assumption. Would Reggie Wayne change WR roles in this offense: yes. Will it change the way defenses cover us in the passing game. Tremendously.

Our offense is so predictable: Brees to Gates, run with LT. Take these 2 guys out in a game and it's over. We need to be more dimensional than that.

I agree, we need o-line and safety and both positions are fairly deep in the draft. ILB??? What's Wilhelm doing in there? Picking his nose? Twiddlling fingers?

So you guys are just talking about this year? In other words some people are willing to overpay a #2 WR to play #1 for us for a year because they don't think VJ will be ready? That seems like a questionable decision to me.

[Tomlinson21]

So you guys are just talking about this year? In other words some people are willing to overpay a #2 WR to play #1 for us for a year because they don't think VJ will be ready? That seems like a questionable decision to me.
Reggie Wayne's 5 year career so far:
Receiving Stats
YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2001 IND 13 27 345 12.8 43 0 19 0 0
2002 IND 16 49 716 14.6 49 4 35 2 1
2003 IND 16 68 838 12.3 57 7 49 0 0
2004 IND 16 77 1210 15.7 71 12 59 0 0
2005 IND 16 83 1055 12.7 66 5 54 1 0
Career 77 304 4164 13.7 71 28 216 3 1
Do you realize that Reggie Wayne was a 1st round draft pick (from Miami) in 2001 by the Colts? The Colts already with Harrison, already knew how great this guy would be.

I'm happy as heck with our WR Corps. Put in Reggie Wayne we'll even be more unstoppable.

VJ is still a sleeper pick in 05 IMO. We don't really know much about him given he came from a smaller school and has been injured almost all year. I really hope he turns out to be great. But what's wrong with adding Wayne in the mix???

[Balboa 1961]

I'm not sure you understand what we're talking about, Tomlinson:

A "#1 WR" is not merely the best WR on the roster.

A #1 WR is a WR who can dominate while being double teamed on every play with the pass defense primarily focused on stopping him. I'm guessing that it's pushing the envelope to guesstimate that only about 1/3 of the NFL franchises have a legitimate "#1 WR".

Wayne never gets that attention because the other team is focusing on Harrison.

There is no way to predict that Wayne will become Marvin Harrison when traded to another team and all of a sudden becoming THE focus for the opposing team's secondary coverage. Wayne, like Alvin Harper of the Cowboys and Peerless Price of the Bills, looks great when Michael Irvin or Eric Moulds (in his prime) is being double covered on the other side of the field.

The problem with signing a guy like Wayne is that you'll be paying an exorbinant amount of cash for a #2 WR talent. Wayne is not Steve Smith, or Randy Moss, or Hines Ward, or Terrell Owens, or Rod Smith, or the other handful of #1 WRs in the NFL, but you'll have to pay him like one of them if you want him in free agency.

A foolish waste of cash IMO when the o-line, ILB and safety positions are far far far bigger needs than WR with the Chargers. And the fact that the Chargers already have AG as a threat to concern the secondary makes it even more unwise to spend mega-millions of cap space on a #2 WR who you hope and pray will turn out to be a #1 after he leaves the team, system and supporting cast that made him attractive to other teams.

I see you are echoing many other thoughts that we need a ILB. Do you not think very highly of Cooper and Wilhelm? Or do you not think we will retain them?

[HeadTrip]

Reggie Wayne's 5 year career so far:
Receiving Stats
YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2001 IND 13 27 345 12.8 43 0 19 0 0
2002 IND 16 49 716 14.6 49 4 35 2 1
2003 IND 16 68 838 12.3 57 7 49 0 0
2004 IND 16 77 1210 15.7 71 12 59 0 0
2005 IND 16 83 1055 12.7 66 5 54 1 0
Career 77 304 4164 13.7 71 28 216 3 1
Do you realize that Reggie Wayne was a 1st round draft pick (from Miami) in 2001 by the Colts? The Colts already with Harrison, already knew how great this guy would be.

I'm happy as heck with our WR Corps. Put in Reggie Wayne we'll even be more unstoppable.

VJ is still a sleeper pick in 05 IMO. We don't really know much about him given he came from a smaller school and has been injured almost all year. I really hope he turns out to be great. But what's wrong with adding Wayne in the mix???

Thers i nothing terribly wrong with it I supose, I just don't think he will be worth the price we would have to pay to get him. Something I find interesting is that we have Gates who could act a bit like Marvin Harrison does to take pressure off of Wayne. I think it would be impossible for teams to double Wayne because it would leave Gates open, so Wayne would probably find himself with the same kind of single coverage he has in Indy.

Even so, he wasn't even as effective as Kmac this year. I just don't think he is the kind of guy we should bring in. IMO we either need a super star a WR to take pressure off the middle of the field or we need to leave WR alone and use the money somewhere else. The middle road only makes us marginally better while eating up a lot of cap space.

[CBO]

I like Wayne and Randal El but the money I do not think it would be worth it. I would like to see Brandon Lloyd(SF) or maybe David Givens(NE). I think they could be had for a good price and still provide an upgrade. Dont det me wrong I am not saying either are a legit #1 but Givens has been the go to guy for NE and Lloyd has played very well for a team with very inconsistant QB play and no running game. He was doubled alot. Kmac could be moved to a #2 this year(eventualy be released next off season) and parker to a #3 working in VJ. and then depending on how VJ plays by the end of the year he could be the #1 or #2.

I like Wilhelm and Cooper at ILB. They are bigger and faster than Godfrey and Donnie and they have been in our system for a couple of years. I like them and they are players that we drafted. Remember Wilhelm was the one calling all the defensive plays for the Buckeyes when they won the National Championship and beat Miami. He can step in and be a solid player.

[CBO]

Does anyone remember a big fast WR from a small school? TO

VJ is bigger and and a little slower but with good work ethic he could possibly be a #1 option for us. Hopefully he will need just a little time and good coaching. TO learned from Rice. VJ has James Lofton and Kmac not bad.

Sucsess is hard to predict but you can always hope for it.

[JoeMcRugby]

I see you are echoing many other thoughts that we need a ILB. Do you not think very highly of Cooper and Wilhelm? Or do you not think we will retain them?

I think pretty highly of Wilhelm and want the Chargers to re-sign Leber and move him inside.

Getting another ILB in first day on the draft will help solidify the ILB position. And (hold the napalm until I'm finished) the possibility of saving $2 million in cap space if AJ releases Donnie in the next few months would give the team further flexibility.

[BoltsfanNYC]

I would love randle el he would be our #1 and PR!!!! extra-points!!! he can break every catch!

[CBO]

Sorry but I dont think many if any teams use there #1 receiver as a return man. To big of a risk to take with all of that money on the line.

[CBO]

I like Donnie and he does record a lot of tackles. any one know how much longer he has on his contract?

[JoeMcRugby]

I like Donnie and he does record a lot of tackles. any one know how much longer he has on his contract?

He's signed through the 2007 season and will be the third highest paid Charger in 2006 (behind LT and Brees).

BTW Ben Leber (in his limited time in 2005) recorded three tackles for losses. In 16 games, ILB Donnie Edwards recorded one. :rolleyes:

[Balboa 1961]

I like Donnie and he does record a lot of tackles. any one know how much longer he has on his contract?

He is signed through 2007

[CBO]

Thats hard to compare in the 3-4 the ILB does not get passed the LOS very much. Even when the Ravens ran the 3-4 Ray Lewis unless ha was blitzing did not make very many tackles for a loss. I would like to keep Leber as depth but I agree hi would be a better ILB in our system then a OLB.

[JoeMcRugby]

Thats hard to compare in the 3-4 the ILB does not get passed the LOS very much. Even when the Ravens ran the 3-4 Ray Lewis unless ha was blitzing did not make very many tackles for a loss. I would like to keep Leber as depth but I agree hi would be a better ILB in our system then a OLB.
Randall Godfrey had 3.5 tackles for losses in 2005. ;)

http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=sdg

I want to see Leber and Wilhelm compete for a starting ILB spot next to Godfrey in 2006.

[CBO]

I would not like to see Donnie go for a 2mill savings. We will be 21 mill under the cap and I think we need the leader ship on that side of the ball. I would not resign him after his contract is over. I know it is about winning not feelings.

[SuperBowlBolts]

I would not like to see Donnie go for a 2mill savings. We will be 21 mill under the cap and I think we need the leader ship on that side of the ball. I would not resign him after his contract is over. I know it is about winning not feelings.
we need to keep donnie i think for one last year.

[SD_Connection]

we need to keep donnie i think for one last year.

yep we will need his leadership for a real super bowl run. we need to have some veterans to keep the young guys in check.

[bigbolthead21]

yep we will need his leadership for a real super bowl run. we need to have some veterans to keep the young guys in check.
I agree but we also need someone with a nasty attitude like merriman foley, and williams.

[SillyBoltsFan]

What leadership? And why? Don't you think that Godfrey, Foley, and Jamal can provide ample leadership for the front 7?

To me it's more important at this point to have an ILB that doesn't give up 2 to 3 yards after initial contact, that can provide help in pass coverage in the middle of the field, and that can jam the middle of the line on short yardage running plays and not get blasted backwards.

[LarryAW]

VJ is just a big possesion guy. we need a speed/deep threat guy. Randle El is just #2 cuz Ward is number one. put el in the charger offense then hes #1 haha.

seriously though i think Randel El would be the best WR to get if we cant get Wayne.

According to a major, football only pay-site, 40 yard dash times are as follows:

Randel El: 4.49
Reggie Wayne: 4.45
VJ: 4.46


I don't know why everyone thinks VJ is just a possession receiver. He may be big, but he is also fast. I think either Randel El or Reggie Wayne would be a great addition to this team. It may take more time for VJ to develop, but he definitely can be a speed receiver. VJ, Randel El, and Reggie Wayne run pretty much the same speed.

I don't think VJ gets picked in the 2nd round if he wasn't fast. It's amazing a guy that big can run that fast.

[CBO]

VJ is bigger and faster then Mike Williams(DET) from USC that went in the first round. See what happens when you are from a small school.

[Sriprachandr]

I agree but we also need someone with a nasty attitude like merriman foley, and williams.How about Merriman, Foley, and Williams? :D Just kidding...

[Mr. Heisman]

OVER-RATED!!!! he cries too too too much in a game when he, keyword there HE drops the ball or runs the wrong route! no no no on this guy i'll take my chances with a draft pick in 2 or 3rd round!

[Sanitation Man]

OVER-RATED!!!! he cries too too too much in a game when he, keyword there HE drops the ball or runs the wrong route! no no no on this guy i'll take my chances with a draft pick in 2 or 3rd round!

Funny you said this as I was on the same stream of thought. He can be a (b)itch when things don't go right. Unless we can get him for a sweet price, it's not worth it.

I'd rather the Chargers pursue a quality O-lineman or safety. VJ was injured the better part of the year, so obviously he couldn't display his talent. AJ knows talent when he sees it and I can bet he's banking on VJ to be the guy who stretches defenses. He's huge, fast and can hold on to a ball like a newborn does a teet.

[RAWDOGG]

I think he can be a legit #1 receiver. I can see caldwell and randle el as our staters and VJ as our #3 in 2 years.

I think Caldwell is as good as gone

[SDFaiderHater]

Who would be our #1, 2?? It would be Randel El, McCardell, Parker, VJ. VJ is not 1 or 2 material IMO.

how can you have a legit opinion of VJ when he made all of 3 or 4 catches this year, and played in what, 2 games??? if he gets some playing time next year, i think we all will have a better opinion of him. until then, who knows what he could be, apparently, the guy has some pretty good speed.

[RAWDOGG]

how can you have a legit opinion of VJ when he made all of 3 or 4 catches this year, and played in what, 2 games??? if he gets some playing time next year, i think we all will have a better opinion of him. until then, who knows what he could be, apparently, the guy has some pretty good speed.

Sounds just like the Rivers/Brees agrument:rolleyes:

[drangus]

I think this guy would be great addition to our WR's and a good returner as well. Seeing that next year he'll be a FA - I'll just flat out say it, "he's the ****ing man and I want him on our team RIGHT NOW!!!!! :Beer:

no way--I will take eric moulds or david givens over this guy in a heartbeat

[SuperBowlBolts]

no way--I will take eric moulds or david givens over this guy in a heartbeat
i like david givens =)

[Mr. Heisman]

why do you guys want old men! we need youth. not no guys in the league 7 years in! no New England guys! OVER HYPED! as for mr. 82! he is going going GONE! Mr. Parker is our number 2 wr! as for keenan he is on his way out possibly next year if we dont make the play-offs! but we will but i do see him possibly retiring if not next year for sure the following year! If rumors are true that something in Cinn country we should nab CJ! oh yea! now that's a wr! yet I aint hyping him b/c of his recent espn highlights! i've always like him we should have grab him when his contract was almost up last year! and made a offer they were gunna trade him if they got a good offer!

[drangus]

why do you guys want old men! we need youth. not no guys in the league 7 years in! no New England guys! OVER HYPED! as for mr. 82! he is going going GONE! Mr. Parker is our number 2 wr! as for keenan he is on his way out possibly next year if we dont make the play-offs! but we will but i do see him possibly retiring if not next year for sure the following year! If rumors are true that something in Cinn country we should nab CJ! oh yea! now that's a wr! yet I aint hyping him b/c of his recent espn highlights! i've always like him we should have grab him when his contract was almost up last year! and made a offer they were gunna trade him if they got a good offer!

how are NE WRs over-hyped? if anything they are not hyped at all, especially considering that they have 3 superbowl rings--David Givens is only 26 years old, durable, fast, strong, consistent, intelligent, experienced, unselfish etc...

old men? WRs are playing longer than ever-a lot of people now wish they would have invested in M Muhammed last year--speed is overrated at the WR position to begin with and then you are assuming that the older guys can't run anymore--why would you wan't to trade for a guy that punches his own coaches?

[Mr. Heisman]

Rings?? tell me who got them their rings the coach! how many yards did they get in the super bowl hell their whole season?! average yards they only get notice because of them being "SUPER BOWL CHAMPS". put there stats against are players I would take parker over givens any day plus parker would be cheaper! The only guys i can give credit too would be Deion Branch. Mr mvp i give him his do's but they aren't specail they are AVERAGE! Look at the stats and how they rank! You are suffering from Hypnytis! hahaha

[meatbucket]

why do you guys want old men! we need youth. not no guys in the league 7 years in! no New England guys! OVER HYPED! as for mr. 82! he is going going GONE! Mr. Parker is our number 2 wr! as for keenan he is on his way out possibly next year if we dont make the play-offs! but we will but i do see him possibly retiring if not next year for sure the following year! If rumors are true that something in Cinn country we should nab CJ! oh yea! now that's a wr! yet I aint hyping him b/c of his recent espn highlights! i've always like him we should have grab him when his contract was almost up last year! and made a offer they were gunna trade him if they got a good offer!

um, dude, your syntax is giving me migraines.

[BoltsfanNYC]

um... are recievers Don't play LT RT or C.... that is why they dont have more yards!

[Onion Knight]

No Crybabies. No Randle El.

[fastbolt19]

pit prob will keep him so you don't know i may be wrong?

[drangus]

Rings?? tell me who got them their rings the coach! how many yards did they get in the super bowl hell their whole season?! average yards they only get notice because of them being "SUPER BOWL CHAMPS". put there stats against are players I would take parker over givens any day plus parker would be cheaper! The only guys i can give credit too would be Deion Branch. Mr mvp i give him his do's but they aren't specail they are AVERAGE! Look at the stats and how they rank! You are suffering from Hypnytis! hahaha

I am a big fan of Parkers'--but David givens is a more complete WR he is bigger, stronger, runs better routes, has the same speed, has big game experience, blocks downfield better, catches just as well, has the same unselfish mentality, and the real important one he is a hell of a lot more DURABLE!!!

[Mr. Heisman]

Walker has only played in two full seasons, and he has talent, just because he has been to a super bowl doesn't mean he can't do the same as Givens. Maybe if had you as his hype-man he would be as big as the Sun! Geez What are you a New England trying to hop on a Chargers band wagon because their dynasty is over!.........I'm just playing drangus! Keep hyping your man, I'll keep throwing out names like Drew Brees Throwing touchdowns to gates!

[Totally Bolted]

I am a big fan of Parkers'--but David givens is a more complete WR he is bigger, stronger, runs better routes, has the same speed, has big game experience, blocks downfield better, catches just as well, has the same unselfish mentality, and the real important one he is a hell of a lot more DURABLE!!!

I like Givens as well. He would be a very good pick up. Whether or not you and Mr Hiesman agree an EP - DG spread on the offense would look pretty darn good to me, and I figure pretty damn dangerous to opposing defenses.

That is why I like Randell as well. We don't have to have a solid #1. Can Givens do PR duties?

[Mr. Heisman]

C-Wood can! and that's my pick overall on free agents! plus he can do offense too! He just needs to get into training camp early so he can do the drills. Plus we still have parker, and i think he handles the punts well. Better than no game Sproles! Didn't live up to the hype! He better learn in training camp to FOLLOW your blockers and try not to make a big play everytime, that's how you mess up and or fumble the ball, last i check you were 5'6" You Need Your Blockers!

[Dan40]

I'm not sure if I posted this in this thread yet, but with Randle El, you get:

a spreed threat
a PR/KR
a 3rd string QB

Not to mention, he'd be working with Cam Cameron, his college coach. If there is any way possible of getting this guy, I'm for it.

[Mr. Heisman]

randell el is CRY BABY! have you seen him drop a ball and he cries to ref and when he runs the wrong route! He's worst than TO, He always thinks he's being held, push, ect. Watch the super bowl, i bet he will do it atleast 3 times!

Plus do you really think Steelers will let him go, they messed up last year when they should have kept Plaxico! They should have let Randel el go! They'll resign him because they have no one else to sign, and they will have more money with no bus next year and i see deuce staley leaving too b/c he won't produce, he's seen more bench then the field! do to his injurys after injurys! So if was you guys I would start looking for more people besides Randel El

[BoltsfanNYC]

I too WANT RANDLE EL! this will hurt PITT and I am all for that.. I would also like Mawae... and Tackle

Jeff Backus- T Detroit
Kevin Shaffer- T ChicagoS-hope or archibrota or tank williams... guy from Carolina

then we can draft S-CB-ILB-DT-G-T-QB if anything goes down with brees or rivers!

[Dan40]

Well, yes, the Steelers probably will re-sign him. There's no reason not to keep a file on him.

I'm not bothered by the complaining to the refs that much.

[BoltsfanNYC]

well I am hoping they pull another cheap like buress!

[mastershake]

Oh boy...another #2 WR...just what San Diego needs...let's sign him for 7.5 Million and maybe get 2 PR for touchdowns and a smattering of dropped passes. Didn't we do that before? IE Tim Dwight...Randle El is a bit taller though.

[guimcharger]

I would like the signing of Randell El because he would be our speedster and punt returner. I don't want him if he is demanding a lot of money though.

[TCUFAN5]

Yes I Think We Need To Not Persue Randel El...if We Want A True Number One Wr Talk To Reggie Wayne If He Doesnt Stay In Indy Because With The Aging Of Harrison He Would Have Eventually Became The Number One Anyway. Maybe Just Maybe We Could Squeeze Him In To Our Cap Room

[Ikeman83]

Reggie Wayne is not a true number one receiver, period. Also, stop typing in all caps, it's lame and hard to read.

Randle El is, at best, a number three receiver and a trick play guy. You build your WR corps on a player that will be dominant consistently AS A WIDEOUT. Randle El will never be a Number 1 type guy because he just isn't good enough. It's not that he isn't fast, or that he can't return punts, it's that he just isn't a great WR.

[Ikeman83]

Oh, and quit posting about getting Reggie Wayne, because there's no way that he isn't playing for Indy next year.

[thefreak676]

Reggie randel el , mcardell,vj and erik parker.....sounds pretty good to me.......Randel El from the Steelers website:

"Has blossomed into a dynamic multipurpose performer?has an uncanny ability to get open and adjust to the football, while possessing exceptional hands?is an excellent punt and kick returner with the ability to take it the distance on any given return.Has blossomed into a dynamic multipurpose performer."
sounds good to me

[shaun4505]

Randal El is nothing more than a 3rd down WR/special team player. He's not a difference maker so getting him wont change the dynamic of the team very much.

[Ikeman83]

Randal El is nothing more than a 3rd down WR/special team player. He's not a difference maker so getting him wont change the dynamic of the team very much.

That's not true, it would drastically change the dynamic of our salary cap situation.

[shaun4505]

if the Chargers is to get a WR in free agency, then it will be a #1 type WR like Reggie Wayne, not someone like Randal El. It wont happen, so no worries about signing Randal El ruining our salary cap.

[Ikeman83]

if the Chargers is to get a WR in free agency, then it will be a #1 type WR like Reggie Wayne, not someone like Randal El. It wont happen, so no worries about signing Randal El ruining our salary cap.

1.) Indy isn't going to let Wayne go, they will Franchise tag him and let Edge go, period.

2.) People need to stop talking about Randle El like he's some kind of amazing receiver. Signing Antwaan would basically cost us the same as signing a number 1 WR, except that he would only be useful for about 15 plays a season. Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

[LarryAW]

He's signed through the 2007 season and will be the third highest paid Charger in 2006 (behind LT and Brees).

BTW Ben Leber (in his limited time in 2005) recorded three tackles for losses. In 16 games, ILB Donnie Edwards recorded one. :rolleyes:

I also would like to see the Chargers re-sign Leber.

[KingGL]

Nice Pass ;)

[Dan40]

Still want him.

[Fouts2Chandler]

Still want him.

Me too.:Beer: :Beer:

[Nomad]

Yep, he would be a great addition. :Beer: :9: :Bolt:

We could trade both Brees and Rivers, just use randel el and LT. :o

[boltskickass21]

Definaltely upped his FA value today. Je veux Je veux (french for i want i want)

[bigmack2141]

did you see how he played today? that pass was money.. imagine an offense where LT, Drew or Randel El could trhow a td pass. cam would go crazy

[mtxsound]

did you see how he played today? that pass was money.. imagine an offense where LT, Drew or Randel El could trhow a td pass. cam would go crazy

that would be amazing. But his value went up today, so I dont think we will get him. Although, Cam's influence may persuade him, I can only hope.

[IgorUnchained]

I still want him too. Anyone think he couldnt be a #2 WR on the Bolts still? His team won the Super Bowl and he played a big part on that. Like LT, he showed the triple threat tonight. Catching, Throwing, and Returning his way to a Super Bowl ring......and he survived that horrible hit to his back!

I'll take him!

[guimcharger]

Randell El is a speedster. I still want him on the bolts. Imagine our trick plays with LT and Randell El being able to throw TD passes.

[TJ21]

They won't let him go and frankly we don't need a WR of his style. We need a true deep threat of our own and we can get that in other ways. I'd rather have Reggie Wayne. My vote was "who cares?" because I'm sick of everyone tooting the Steelers horn. Gadget plays, good coaching and a great run combination got them the trophy not !INCREDIBLY SUPER DUPER! players. :Beer:

[SD_Connection]

They won't let him go and frankly we don't need a WR of his style. We need a true deep threat of our own and we can get that in other ways. I'd rather have Reggie Wayne. My vote was "who cares?" because I'm sick of everyone tooting the Steelers horn. Gadget plays, good coaching and a great run combination got them the trophy not !INCREDIBLY SUPER DUPER! players. :Beer:

i havent been paying att really to the colts, but what are the chances of the colts letting go of wayne?

also, that was a MASSIVE blow to the back, crazy he was able to walk off after that.

[boltskickass21]

Reggie Wayne is more of a priority to the Colts than the Edge. I dont see them letting him go, so we best start looking elsewhere (Randel El). The Steelers underappreciate him and might just let him walk.

[LTfan4life]

Randle El's a tough guy. I thought he broke his tailbone or somethign on that one return. Then he cam eback two plays later. I wouldn't mind having him, as I see him as one of the Top FA WRs. it looks like Wayne'll be back and Edge will not for the Colts so...IDK. It'll be an interesting off-season.

[Dojo]

i havent been paying att really to the colts, but what are the chances of the colts letting go of wayne?

also, that was a MASSIVE blow to the back, crazy he was able to walk off after that.
I would say now that Edge will be let walk, not a good chance. He may tell the Colts he wants to go into FA but I don't think he would want to leave Peyton. The Colts want him, and as far as i know he wants to be a Colt.
Moulds may be the WR we go after in FA. Imagine him, McCardell, and Parker...awsome WR core and good depth.

[LTfan4life]

I would say now that Edge will be let walk, not a good chance. He may tell the Colts he wants to go into FA but I don't think he would want to leave Peyton. The Colts want him, and as far as i know he wants to be a Colt.
Moulds may be the WR we go after in FA. Imagine him, McCardell, and Parker...awsome WR core and good depth.

Isn't Moulds 30 somethin? :confused:

[SDFaiderHater]

Isn't Moulds 30 somethin? :confused:

hey Kmac is gettin old, and he just had one of his best years as a pro.

[HighBoltage]

I think it would be really nice to have Antwaan(sp). If Caldwell doesn't stick around we could use his versatility. We can still go after a #1 receiver depending on what ARE would ask for, but how cool would that be to have an athlete like him?

We may not need him but if we could get him and another top receiver that would be great. I just don't see it happening with our other pressing needs at oline and secondary. Who knows?

[SDFaiderHater]

I think it would be really nice to have Antwaan(sp). If Caldwell doesn't stick around we could use his versatility. We can still go after a #1 receiver depending on what ARE would ask for, but how cool would that be to have an athlete like him?

We may not need him but if we could get him and another top receiver that would be great. I just don't see it happening with our other pressing needs at oline and secondary. Who knows?

just think about it, direct snap to LT, who laterals it to Randel El, then he laterals it to Brees boom Touchdown Gates.

[BoltsfanNYC]

tmac-randel el and VJ.... not to mention GATES! Nice... and randle el as PR and trick play guy!!! sweet!

[guimcharger]

They won't let him go and frankly we don't need a WR of his style. We need a true deep threat of our own and we can get that in other ways. I'd rather have Reggie Wayne. My vote was "who cares?" because I'm sick of everyone tooting the Steelers horn. Gadget plays, good coaching and a great run combination got them the trophy not !INCREDIBLY SUPER DUPER! players. :Beer:

How isn't Randell El a deep threat. He is like Santana Moss he is a speedster. Reggie Wayne is probably going to be the next Peerless Price. I think I will pass on him. Anyways I wanted Randell El before the steelers even got into the playoffs. This isn't my amusement of his steller SB game.

[JPac55]

I think he can be a legit #1 receiver. I can see caldwell and randle el as our staters and VJ as our #3 in 2 years.
first caldwell sucks, he will fumble the ball when we really need a big catch.. and randle el I dont know.. we dont need another returner.. sproles is there and I think that next year will be all him.. it is just that he is so fast and the wedge doesnt take off until he catchs the ball they need to go before that cuz he can catch up to them and this way he wont run past them.. and VJ will be a good reciever he has that #1 material and McCardell will #2 and parker in the slot and we be bad ass.. all vj will have to is work out and he will blow past every1 that is y aj smith got drafted him for..

[BoltsfanNYC]

well that all sounds good... Who is blocking? we need a huge Oline overhaul... and a playmaker safety/// and a new ILB...

[Ikeman83]

I don't much care for Randle El. Why is he not a dominant WR? Because although he's fast, he's not what I would call a clutch catcher (see Eric Parker) or someone that's really going to break away and require double teams. His trick play potential is pretty good, but we don't have the kind of dominant O-line that you need to set up multiple backfield handoffs, and we also don't have the kind of speed / true no 1 WRs that Pittsburgh has that make their trick play-passes work.

[BoltsfanNYC]

if our oline gets better everything you said changes! Our Qb gets more time... our running game is better... and this means we can throw down field thus opening up the box for LT...

[Ikeman83]

Yeah, but we still wouldn't be able to make big gains off trick plays because we don't have the WR corps for it. To be honest, I don't think that adding Randle El would pull a single player out of the box.

[RAWDOGG]

Yeah, but we still wouldn't be able to make big gains off trick plays because we don't have the WR corps for it. To be honest, I don't think that adding Randle El would pull a single player out of the box.

Nope, I would rather spend the money to beef up our o-line then maybe a FA SS, and possible ILB:Beer:

[chargersfan1777]

I think we are for the most part in agreeance that Eric Parker is a valid go to guy in crunch time. I would take the risk on Randle El for the mere fact that he could fill in for punt returns instead of risking Parker's health. Not too mention the triple throwing threat that he would bring! Is the pass coming from Brees, LT, or Randle El?!

[SDBolts21]

You gotta give him a look maybe see what hes askin for and judge from there I think he would help us out with the right price, but no question in my mind we need to beef up our line and strengthen the secondary either via draft of FA

[sonorajim]

Randle El is a football player. The problem is that he's short and not very fast. I wouldn't spend a lot of money on a guy who doesn't have much potential as an every down player. He can make plays if he can find the space but he's only 5-9 1/2, 4.65 40 speed.

[Joiner18]

I think this guy would be great addition to our WR's and a good returner as well. Seeing that next year he'll be a FA - I'll just flat out say it, "he's the ****ing man and I want him on our team RIGHT NOW!!!!! :Beer:

I voted "Hell YEAH!" because he's one of my favorite players on the Stillers... but "you" can't have him! :)

I would be thrilled to see him with the 'Bolts, and disappointed to see him leave my hometown Steelers at the same time.

If any 'Bolts fans aren't sure, he's the real deal. A quailty receiver and a quality person. He brings an added dimension both as a special teamer and a trick play artist (er, artiste')... plus he's young. Is he #1 WR material? Not right now, but only because of his level of playing experience. He's a solid #2 man, and in about 2 or three seasons he'll definitely be at the next level.

The Chargers would be smart to pick him up, but the Steelers are smart too. The only factor is how much his agent demands. If that number is too high, then I don't think Pittsburgh OR San Diego should handcuff their payroll. But if it comes down to nickles and dimes, there's no way Pittsburgh would let him go... aka get outbid.

[Joiner18]

You gotta give him a look maybe see what hes askin for and judge from there I think he would help us out with the right price, but no question in my mind we need to beef up our line and strengthen the secondary either via draft of FA

Couldn't agree more! There are other areas that the Chargers need to address (and spend money on). Because of that San Diego wouldn't be willing to (and shouldn't be) outbid Pittsburgh for Randall El.

[Joiner18]

I don't much care for Randle El. Why is he not a dominant WR? Because although he's fast, he's not what I would call a clutch catcher (see Eric Parker) or someone that's really going to break away and require double teams. His trick play potential is pretty good, but we don't have the kind of dominant O-line that you need to set up multiple backfield handoffs, and we also don't have the kind of speed / true no 1 WRs that Pittsburgh has that make their trick play-passes work.

I disagree with ya. He's clutch. Having watched him play the past two seasons, if it was 4th and 5, backs to the wall, the ball's in the air heading his way, he makes the play. He gets open deep. He's a good after-the-catch runner.

He's not big, though. Plaxico Burress is big (Pittsburgh's #2 WR last season). Plax has this big, fast, powerful stride that made him an obvious deep threat. Randal El is different, but his hands (and head) are much better than Burress', and so the drop-off wasn't serious in Pittsburgh after losing Plaxico.

Remember the Houston run-and-shoot? They had 4 receivers who were effective, but in different ways... Randal El will be effective. In ways that are different than, say, a Plaxico Burress, but nonetheless an important cog in the machine.

[JoeMcRugby]

The Steelers' Antwaan Randle El tells Peters congregation Bible is the 'game plan of life'
Monday, February 13, 2006
By Jan Ackerman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

During the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl, the Steelers practiced hard, hobnobbed with the news media and enjoyed a feast at the home of Jerome Bettis' parents in Detroit.

Yesterday, wide receiver Antwaan Randle El talked about another custom practiced by about a dozen team members in the week before the Super Bowl and throughout the championship season: a weekly Bible study.

"We take 20 or 30 minutes and give time to God," Mr. Randle El told an overflow crowd yesterday at South Hills Bible Chapel in Peters.

"The Bible is the game plan of life," he said.

He said the team's mid-week Bible study was new this season, but praying together before a big game is a common practice for a core group of Christian Steelers.

"We pray for God's will to be done. We pray for our families. We pray for the safety of the team," he said.

While some of his teammates were in Hawaii yesterday, playing in the Pro Bowl, Mr. Randle El was in the Peters church fulfilling a commitment he made months before the Steelers won the Super Bowl.

The church, which uses sports testimonies as a regular part of its ministry, issued an invitation last fall for Mr. Randle El to visit and talk about his Christian faith.

Between that invitation and this past weekend's appearance Mr. Randle El, in a trick play, passed the football to fellow wide receiver Hines Ward for a key touchdown in the Super Bowl.

That Steelers victory and Mr. Randle El's appearance brought about 2,800 people to the large church that normally gets about 1,600 people at its one Saturday and two Sunday services.

"We do something like this every year around or on the Super Bowl," said former Steelers tackle Tunch Ilkin, who runs the men's ministry at the church.

"This year is very special," he said.

There were no Terrible Towels and little black and gold at yesterday's 9 a.m. service, but Mr. Randle El received thunderous applause when he was introduced by Mr. Ilkin.

"We finally have someone up here who won a Super Bowl in this decade," joked Mr. Ilkin, who never won a Super Bowl ring.

Between the singing and a sit-down interview between Mr. Ilkin and Mr. Randle El, a video of Steelers highlights from this season was shown on two big screens.

During the interview, Mr. Randle El, 26, who is married and the father of three small children, clearly set out his priorities in life -- faith in God, love of family and his job, playing professional football, in that order.

He said fame and money are fleeting, the future is unknown and things change, "but God and Christ do not change."

"That game I played in the Super Bowl may be the last game I play. But God will not change," he told the crowd.

Many people think Mr. Randle El is Muslim, because his last name is from the Muslim tradition, but he was raised in the Pentecostal tradition of Christianity.

Mr. Randle El, who was born in Riverdale, Ill., outside Chicago, said his mother was a God-fearing woman who had her three sons in church several times a week and his father was a man who came to know God.

He was an all-around athlete who excelled in baseball, football and basketball and was drafted by the Chicago Cubs to play baseball. But his parents insisted on college, so he ended up as a star quarterback at Indiana University in Bloomington, Ind.

In high school and college, Mr. Randle El said he drifted away from God, putting himself in the forefront. He said life became hollow, whether he won or lost the games.

"Nothing could fill the void," he said.

By his senior year, Mr. Randle El said, he got his priorities back in order.

Now Mr. Randle El, who is a free agent and a hot commodity, said he is asking God whether he should stay with the Steelers or go to another NFL team.

"I am not sure if this is where God wants me to continue to be or if he wants me to go elsewhere," he said. "I just have to keep praying about it."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06044/654608.stm

[Boltz2175]

I'd Love to....but we wont get him....he just came off a super bowl and he'll be willing to take a pay cut to go for the "back to back" Super Bowl Wins...i hope we can get him but i dont see it happening.

[BoltsfanNYC]

he is screaming show me the money/// Someone will! Tampabay. SD... someone will buy this guy he wont go cheap back to pitt!

[SuperBowlBolts]

he is screaming show me the money/// Someone will! Tampabay. SD... someone will buy this guy he wont go cheap back to pitt!
i would think he'd would go back to the Steelers aftering winning a ring.

[sundeval]

Why the hell do you guys want Randle El so badly....until the Super Bowl, he never really did anything spectacular all season. Sure he is a steady player and can do a few things, but if you look, the Chargers already have guys like that on the team. To me, hes just a slower Tim Dwight, and i dont see him on the roster anymore. Id be more interested in a guy like Koren Robinson, hes a proven talent and looks as though hes straightened out his problems....but of course because hes made mistakes and bad decisions, alot of you have condemned him as a cancer and problem , thus wouldnt have him on the Chargers because of it,...ridiculous.

[JoeMcRugby]

Why the hell do you guys want Randle El so badly....until the Super Bowl, he never really did anything spectacular all season. Sure he is a steady player and can do a few things, but if you look, the Chargers already have guys like that on the team. To me, hes just a slower Tim Dwight, and i dont see him on the roster anymore. Id be more interested in a guy like Koren Robinson, hes a proven talent and looks as though hes straightened out his problems....but of course because hes made mistakes and bad decisions, alot of you have condemned him as a cancer and problem , thus wouldnt have him on the Chargers because of it,...ridiculous.
I'm not "condemning" the guy who was PR's star WR early on in Rivers' career at NC State.

What is a "fact" is that Robinson is a multiple offender in the NFL's substance abuse policy, he's already been suspended for 4 games for substance abuse and drunk driving, and the next time he tests positive for drugs or alcohol during his bi-weekly drug tests, he's suspended for a full season.

That's not ridiculous - it's a fact.

[BoltsfanNYC]

I am dying to get dandle el...
I want bentley. I want jon runyan. I want hope... any 2 of those and I will be happy with whoever we draft.... imagine our line net year
oben-olivea-bentley-goff-runyan...then a guy like like or trueblood reserve 3rd round...
or even add hope and runyan... that is 2 Oline improvments...as olivea goes back to guard his best position!!!! and our cbs have help in HOPE!

[BoltsfanNYC]

OH not to mention we weaken PITT!!!

[Ikeman83]

I think that Chicago and NE are going to be involved in bidding wars over Randle El, and that we should avoid that.

[BoltsfanNYC]

when was the last time NE did something stupid like a bidding war?

[bolts4ever21]

It is all true... we have more important positions to fill than wr. And to put randle el in the position of a #1 wr is totally out of the question-- see perless price. Randle El is nothing more than a complimentary piece to Hinds Ward. And he didn't do anything impressive on a consitent basis to even warrent all this talk. We have a guy in Eric Parker who is even better than Randle El. The fact that Randle El can throw the ball is irrelevent. We don't have enough balls for all the people we have to throw it.

Get Bently and lets draft like we always do. San Diego Super Chargers...

[Joiner18]

OH not to mention we weaken PITT!!!

Pittsburgh proves to be pretty resilient when having to fill spots left by departing free agents, but losing Randle El and Hope will sting them no doubt. More at the Safety position than WR (but only because Cedrick Wilson & Heath Miller are capable of stepping in and being solid targets in the passing game). On defense their backup DBs are young and not on the next level yet. PLUS Pittsburgh may lose one of their starting LBs (Foote) I believe. PLUS two defensive linemen (von Olhoffen and Keisel) I think.

[Joiner18]

It is all true... we have more important positions to fill than wr. And to put randle el in the position of a #1 wr is totally out of the question-- see perless price. Randle El is nothing more than a complimentary piece to Hinds Ward. And he didn't do anything impressive on a consitent basis to even warrent all this talk. We have a guy in Eric Parker who is even better than Randle El. The fact that Randle El can throw the ball is irrelevent. We don't have enough balls for all the people we have to throw it.

Get Bently and lets draft like we always do. San Diego Super Chargers...

I REALLY hope San Diego picks up Bently. The Offensive Line is the most important position to address in my opinion. Then defensive secondary.

[bolts4ever21]

Yes, Bentley more than anything. That is a Pro-Bowl guy, who is a monster. At times our line looked good. But never really punishing people. We have to get a little bigger on the line. With that being said, if the line gets bigger, look for us to use the bigger qb.

[SillyBoltsFan]

With that being said, if the line gets bigger, look for us to use the bigger qb.

This reasoning never makes sense to me... regardless of the size of the O-line, the defense line facing the QB doesn't change... nor does height change effective passing lanes... nor do effective interior lineman play standing straight up :Beer:

[BoltsfanNYC]

all that said we should be in high speed pursuit of betley on I-5!heading south!!!
then HOPE! to get hope!

[sundeval]

I'm not "condemning" the guy who was PR's star WR early on in Rivers' career at NC State.

What is a "fact" is that Robinson is a multiple offender in the NFL's substance abuse policy, he's already been suspended for 4 games for substance abuse and drunk driving, and the next time he tests positive for drugs or alcohol during his bi-weekly drug tests, he's suspended for a full season.

That's not ridiculous - it's a fact.

I understand Koren Robinson is a high risk as he could be suspended for the entire season if he offends again. I believe he would be a good risk to take as he wouldnt be able to demand the high salary as someone with less talent like Randle El would just because he's been a "good boy". Id rather take the chance on losing a player with low salary and great talent to a suspension than waste high salary on a highly overated player that wouldnt make us any better. Koren Robinson does have that connection with Rivers, is a great returner and has proven to be a No.1 WR in the NFL, just a few short years ago. What has Randle El proven....that he can connect on a trick play pass in the Super Bowl, we already have that as well.....see LT. One thing i am starting to agree with alot of fans is that the Chargers do need to upgrade the O-line and FS/SS position. Ive given up on the T.O. idea, but i really want Koren Robinson.

[JoeMcRugby]

I understand Koren Robinson is a high risk as he could be suspended for the entire season if he offends again. I believe he would be a good risk to take as he wouldnt be able to demand the high salary as someone with less talent like Randle El would just because he's been a "good boy". Id rather take the chance on losing a player with low salary and great talent to a suspension than waste high salary on a highly overated player that wouldnt make us any better. Koren Robinson does have that connection with Rivers, is a great returner and has proven to be a No.1 WR in the NFL, just a few short years ago. What has Randle El proven....that he can connect on a trick play pass in the Super Bowl, we already have that as well.....see LT. One thing i am starting to agree with alot of fans is that the Chargers do need to upgrade the O-line and FS/SS position. Ive given up on the T.O. idea, but i really want Koren Robinson.

It all depends if Koren is willing to accept a pretty low base salary contract with incentives built in.

If he's willing to do that, I don't see a problem with bringing him into camp. If he screws up, he gets nothing.

Somehow, I believe he'll be like every other professional athlete (and I don't blame him a bit): he'll go to the team that offers him the most guaranteed money.

Personally, bidding guaranteed money for Koren's services isn't the road I'd go down, and I doubt AJ will either, especially since they already have VJ, Parker and McCardell lined up as the top 3 WRs next year.

[TJ21]

Personally, bidding guaranteed money for Koren's services isn't the road I'd go down, and I doubt AJ will either, especially since they already have VJ, Parker and McCardell lined up as the top 3 WRs next year.
True. But it's always tempting to snatch one of those Kordell Stewart type Slash guys.

[Ikeman83]

Koren Robinson put his career back together in Minnesota. Now I don't know if any of the posters on this forum have ever been to the great white north of Minnesota, but there is nothing to do.

Koren, it seems, has a problem with getting into his car, going out, and getting wasted, and then getting back in his car, only to be pulled over by the police. I can just see the news headline now.

Intoxicated San Diego Charger Koren Robinson arrested for DUI while crossing the Mexican Border. Also found in his car, three bottles of tequila, completely drained... including the worm.

[JoeMcRugby]

True. But it's always tempting to snatch one of those Kordell Stewart type Slash guys.

Yes, it's tempting. But how often does it work out when you get into a bidding war for one of those types who is one drink away from a one-year suspension?

That's the type of temptation that AJ has directed the franchise away from starting in 2004 - unless, of course, Koren is willing to do a Luis Castillo-type deal where he contracts to give all bonus money back if he tests positive in the future.

Will Koren take that type of deal when there are other clubs who probably won't put that condition into their contract? I really don't know, but if I were a GM, there's no way I'd sign him to a contract without such an agreement.