The Shaun Alexander myth....

[TDtevis3]

Playing against a real team, Shaun Alexander proved that he cannot carry the load, getting knocked out by Merriman's brother in crime, Lavar Arrington (RIP Shaun and Priest Holmes). Running against the 49ers, Cardinals, and Rams all season long is a joke. LT's one preseason touch against the Rams was like a 50+ yard touchdown run. Shaun Alexander, you are no Bo Jackson or an LT. You had a great year, but pulled a Peyton Manning in the playoffs and CHOKED. Better luck in the NFC game, but you'll need a huge performance to prove that you are who all the ppl in Seattle say you are.
http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/nfl/allsport/seahawks/alexander_shaun12.jpg

[rslevy0421]

Playing against a real team, Shaun Alexander proved that he cannot carry the load, getting knocked out by Merriman's brother in crime, Lavar Arrington (RIP Shaun and Priest Holmes). Running against the 49ers, Cardinals, and Rams all season long is a joke. LT's one preseason touch against the Rams was like a 50+ yard touchdown run. Shaun Alexander, you are no Bo Jackson or an LT. You had a great year, but pulled a Peyton Manning in the playoffs and CHOKED. Better luck in the NFC game, but you'll need a huge performance to prove that you are who all the ppl in Seattle say you are.


Easy there buddy, LT (as much as I love him) choked equally for the Chargers at the end of the year....at least Alexander is IN the playoffs.

[maxiee]

Easy there buddy, LT (as much as I love him) choked equally for the Chargers at the end of the year....at least Alexander is IN the playoffs.

LT had a cracked rib buddy, he was still out there trying to help his team, Alexander ran to the bench like a little biatch

[rslevy0421]

LT had a cracked rib buddy, he was still out there trying to help his team, Alexander ran to the bench like a little biatch

Alexander had a concussion!!! There's no way LT goes back in a game after suffering a concussion either. I also don't recall hearing LT had a "cracked" rib, I know it was bruised but that's as much as I"ve heard. Again, I love LT and think he is one of the best RB's in the league, but he was just as inconsistant this year as the rest of team. He definately has the talent to be the best, maybe even one of the best ever, but he was neither this year. The fact is that, Alexander, Tiki Barber, and Larry Johnson all had better years than LT in '05. People need to take their blinders off in SD about LT and just admit when he doesn't play well. That said, he's still the man.

[maxiee]

Alexander had a concussion!!! There's no way LT goes back in a game after suffering a concussion either. I also don't recall hearing LT had a "cracked" rib, I know it was bruised but that's as much as I"ve heard. Again, I love LT and think he is one of the best RB's in the league, but he was just as inconsistant this year as the rest of team. He definately has the talent to be the best, maybe even one of the best ever, but he was neither this year. The fact is that, Alexander, Tiki Barber, and Larry Johnson all had better years than LT in '05. People need to take their blinders off in SD about LT and just admit when he doesn't play well. That said, he's still the man.

I agree about LT not having a better year than those guys, but if Alexander had a concussion why was he running around celbrating while Hasselback was scoring touchdowns. If it was a serioous concussion they would take him to the locker room. If it wasnt that seroius he should have went back in.

[yodafro]

I also don't recall hearing LT had a "cracked" rib, I know it was bruised but that's as much as I've heard.

Here's your proof... (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20060101-9999-1s1chside.html)

[SDRANGER619]

I doubt ANYONE would retun to the game after a concussion.

[theiceweasel]

Seattle Times Article about Shaun Alexander (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002742517_hawknotes16.html)

Notable quote from the article:

After Saturday's game, coach Mike Holmgren said Alexander's was the only Seahawks injury that needed to be further evaluated. Holmgren also said he thought Alexander was going to be fine, and got that impression from team doctors on Saturday.
"If I showed him [Alexander] a picture of a truck, he would say it was a truck, and not a butterfly," Holmgren said in his postgame remarks.

[brewandgold]

In addition to the general initial wooz of the concussion, there may have been some nerve trauma (of the "stinger" sort) that kept him out of the game. Look, if he can be in there productively without disproportionate risk to his career, then Holmgren will have him in there. To do otherwise makes no sense. Take an off-center helmet clobber as hard as the one that sidelined Alexander and see if you feel like playing football for the next couple hours.

I agree that his talent was put in a favorable light by one of the weakest divisions, but if he were just average, if any joe schmoe RB could do what he does with the benefit of Seattle's O-line, then they would have just traded or released him after last season, instead of franchise tagging him.

[yodafro]

Seattle can have Alexander. But do they really want to keep him long term?
Seattle's cheap and probably can no longer afford Shaun "Show me the money" Alexander

What I really can't stand about Shaun is that he whined last season when he "thought" the Seahawks stood in his way of him winning the rushing title over Curtis Martin. LT would never put himself before the team. I could care less what kind of talent someones got if they've got no heart to show for it.

Don't believe me? Read this... (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/206304_shaun03.html)

[TJ21]

Alexander had a concussion!!! There's no way LT goes back in a game after suffering a concussion either. I also don't recall hearing LT had a "cracked" rib, I know it was bruised but that's as much as I"ve heard. Again, I love LT and think he is one of the best RB's in the league, but he was just as inconsistant this year as the rest of team. He definately has the talent to be the best, maybe even one of the best ever, but he was neither this year. The fact is that, Alexander, Tiki Barber, and Larry Johnson all had better years than LT in '05. People need to take their blinders off in SD about LT and just admit when he doesn't play well. That said, he's still the man.

You sound like a Seahawks fan with an identity crisis. LT had a better year then Barber (beating better teams) and Johnson (having better stats) both. Alexander rushed against a wonderfully easy schedule, and yardage wasn't as big a story as touchdowns, which anyone can get from first and goal. Next years LTs year, if he's the kind of player he showed us he was last season.

[rslevy0421]

Here's your proof... (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20060101-9999-1s1chside.html)

Thanks for the link...I wasn't aware of that.

I do stand by my statement though that there is no way in hell that LT goes back in to a game after suffering a concussion. Just because Alexander was "celebrating" with his teamates after the concussion, doesn't mean it wasn't a legitimate injury. Most players stay on the sideline for the remainder of the game after a concussion even though no coaching staff would let them back in to the game. This was the cause of an on field argument between Brees and Marty a couple years back.

[yodafro]

True LT probably would'nt go back in the game with a concussion. But which is worse playing with. Playing with the pain of a concussion or a cracked rib. Concussions don't linger like cracked ribs. I'd take the concussion any day over that. Can you imagine the kind of heart it takes to play with an injury like that. No rushing title was on the line, maybe a shot at the post season. He played for his team. He sucked it up. He's LT...

Players like that get signed to long term contracts.

[nayip2002]

hey buddy LT didnt have half the line seahawks do!!! so thats why my vote would go for tiki not shaun for mvp!!and shaun plays AZ, SF,ST louie, twicethats and easy 800 yards right there!!!

[rslevy0421]

You sound like a Seahawks fan with an identity crisis. LT had a better year then Barber (beating better teams) and Johnson (having better stats) both. Alexander rushed against a wonderfully easy schedule, and yardage wasn't as big a story as touchdowns, which anyone can get from first and goal. Next years LTs year, if he's the kind of player he showed us he was last season.

I'm sorry did you just say, "blah, blah, blah..."?

I'm not a Seahawlks fan at all, actually I love the Chargers. I'm just stating the facts. You can make all of the excuses in the world why those other RB'S had a better year than LT, but the fact remains that they all DID. I'm sure next year, if LT has a better season than Alexander, then Seahawks fans will use the same excuses you are using for LT this year (playing better teams, easy schedule, blah blah blah). I'm sure you've heard the saying, excuses are like *******s....

Personally, I'm sick of excuses...great player/teams don't make excuses, they WIN!

[maxiee]

hey buddy LT didnt have half the line seahawks do!!! so thats why my vote would go for tiki not shaun for mvp!!and shaun plays AZ, SF,ST louie, twicethats and easy 800 yards right there!!!

Thats what I was thinking. Tiki deserves it much more than SA. SA is running behind a line with 2 possible hall of famers. How many running backs could say that...maybe jarry johnson, but thats about it. Tiki created most of his yards. When I watched Tiki run I saw a guy fighting for ever yard he got and that is what MVPs should do.

[rslevy0421]

So when we fix our O-Line (please God) next year and LT is named MVP, are you going to let OUR great O-line diminish LT's accomplisments? I doubt it and I hope other fans from other teams don't either!!!!!!!

[yodafro]

I'm sorry did you just say, "blah, blah, blah..."?

I'm not a Seahawlks fan at all, actually I love the Chargers. I'm just stating the facts. You can make all of the excuses in the world why those other RB'S had a better year than LT, but the fact remains that they all DID. I'm sure next year, if LT has a better season than Alexander, then Seahawks fans will use the same excuses you are using for LT this year (playing better teams, easy schedule, blah blah blah). I'm sure you've heard the saying, excuses are like *******s....

Personally, I'm sick of excuses...great player/teams don't make excuses, they WIN!

Welcome to San Diego, how's the weather back in Iowa?

[daniel dugdale]

he had a ****ing concussion...you dident see his ****ing limp ass body just laying on the floor....I wouldent want LT to get up after something like that happens

[Alibell1]

You sound like a Seahawks fan with an identity crisis. LT had a better year then Barber (beating better teams) and Johnson (having better stats) both. Alexander rushed against a wonderfully easy schedule, and yardage wasn't as big a story as touchdowns, which anyone can get from first and goal. Next years LTs year, if he's the kind of player he showed us he was last season.

Why even bring Johnson into this? The guy put up monster numbers and only started 9 games. Golly gee I hope LT had better stats than him. And now for your Tiki comment, LT and Tiki played 9 games against simular opponents, and Tiki outrushed LT 1,210 to 751. As for your comments about Alexander, I say what the heck are you thinking. No kidding one can get TD's from 1st and goal, but how did the Seahawks get in that position? I guy can't wrack up 1880 yards and 5.1 a pop by just smashing in TD's from 1 to 3 yards out.

[maxiee]

he had a ****ing concussion...you dident see his ****ing limp ass body just laying on the floor....I wouldent want LT to get up after something like that happens

After a cincussion, ones mind is very cloudy, u can see it in their eyes i didnt see this in Alexanders eyes. The quarterback of my highschool team had a concussion and u could clearly see it in his eyes. We won the game, but he didnt celebrate with us. He just walked around with a blank face.
An injury to an organ, especially the brain, produced by a violent blow and followed by a temporary or prolonged loss of function-this is a concusion I didnt watch the game so i dont know how long Alexander was out or what he looked like, but I saw him running around celebrating, so that told me that the ijury was not serious, and thats just my take.

[Dojo]

i think good teams are good teams because they know how to shut down teams' main threats.

[LarryAW]

Alexander had a concussion!!! There's no way LT goes back in a game after suffering a concussion either. I also don't recall hearing LT had a "cracked" rib, I know it was bruised but that's as much as I"ve heard. Again, I love LT and think he is one of the best RB's in the league, but he was just as inconsistant this year as the rest of team. He definately has the talent to be the best, maybe even one of the best ever, but he was neither this year. The fact is that, Alexander, Tiki Barber, and Larry Johnson all had better years than LT in '05. People need to take their blinders off in SD about LT and just admit when he doesn't play well. That said, he's still the man.

I think Shaun Alexander is a very good RB and underrated until he finally got his due this year. I think L.T. is better, which he should prove if the Chargers fix the damn OL. We'll see.

L.T. had a cracked rib, which he finally admitted. I have no idea how you haven't heard about it at this point. I think my cat knows L.T. had a cracked rib.

[rslevy0421]

I have no idea how you haven't heard about it at this point. I think my cat knows L.T. had a cracked rib.

I live in Connecticut now and don't always get all of the Chargers news...my tail is inbetween my legs though.

[mwooten]

I agree about LT not having a better year than those guys, but if Alexander had a concussion why was he running around celbrating while Hasselback was scoring touchdowns. If it was a serioous concussion they would take him to the locker room. If it wasnt that seroius he should have went back in.
I don't know if anyone of you have had concussions, but I've had a few. I've had one where I was in bed alll day basically passed out, and I've had another where I felt fine and knew what was going on about a half hour later (I just don't remember from the point I got knocked out until that time). Concussions affect people differently, but he is risking his life and brain by continuing to play with a concussion. Do you really think the MVP of the league is going to take himself out of the game for getting hit hard if it wasn't serious? I think LT is the better RB (I'm not arguing that), but you can't call Alexander a "biatch" for it. There is no way the medical staff would allow him back in with a concussion anyways. Concussions are serious injuries, it affects your brain, were Steve Young or our own Stan Humphries a "biatch" for retiring after all of their concussions?

[BoltFiend]

Playing against a real team, Shaun Alexander proved that he cannot carry the load, getting knocked out by Merriman's brother in crime, Lavar Arrington (RIP Shaun and Priest Holmes). Running against the 49ers, Cardinals, and Rams all season long is a joke. LT's one preseason touch against the Rams was like a 50+ yard touchdown run. Shaun Alexander, you are no Bo Jackson or an LT. You had a great year, but pulled a Peyton Manning in the playoffs and CHOKED. Better luck in the NFC game, but you'll need a huge performance to prove that you are who all the ppl in Seattle say you are.
http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/nfl/allsport/seahawks/alexander_shaun12.jpg

I agree that Alexander is WAY overrrated. However, they are in the playoffs and we are not. I still want Carolina to go in there beat the Seahawks. Make no mistake- LT and the Chargers will be back next year.
At this point- I'm a Panther and Steeler Fan.

[maxiee]

I don't know if anyone of you have had concussions, but I've had a few. I've had one where I was in bed alll day basically passed out, and I've had another where I felt fine and knew what was going on about a half hour later (I just don't remember from the point I got knocked out until that time). Concussions affect people differently, but he is risking his life and brain by continuing to play with a concussion. Do you really think the MVP of the league is going to take himself out of the game for getting hit hard if it wasn't serious? I think LT is the better RB (I'm not arguing that), but you can't call Alexander a "biatch" for it. There is no way the medical staff would allow him back in with a concussion anyways. Concussions are serious injuries, it affects your brain, were Steve Young or our own Stan Humphries a "biatch" for retiring after all of their concussions?

Allright, Im sorry for calling Alexander that I just dont like the fact that he is so overhyped. Anyway if he is really the great running back everybody says he is than he will prove it against the Panthers.

[mk87]

Seriously, Shaun is a great player. Just because he's on an overrated team doesn't mean he hasn't proven himself. And the fact that you use his concussion to praise LT makes me ashame to see that you're a Charger fan. Why?

[rslevy0421]

I agree that Alexander is WAY overrrated.

Just out of curiosity, how many Seahawks games did you watch this year to come to the conclusion that "Alexander is WAY overrated"?

[HeadTrip]

6 carries, 9 yards and a fumble on the goal line before getting the concussion isn't exactly tearing it up. I know he didn't get enough carries to prove anything, but he is off to a very bad start as far as proving he can run against good teams.

Next week against Carolina we will all see exactly what Alexander is made of. Personally, I think he will make a strong case for "most overrated player in the league" and "worst MVP ever". I was hoping to see him play against the skins, but I'll just have to wait for next week.

[SuperBowlBolts]

Just out of curiosity, how many Seahawks games did you watch this year to come to the conclusion that "Alexander is WAY overrated"?
question how many games did you see alexander running behind an all pro-line and against some pansy Ds? Someone a few months back posted LTs and alexanders stats vs similar opponents and guess who won it. LT did. Alexander is good but you put him behind our line and you put him vs our opponents and its a total different story. Next year we play his division so we'll get more insight who is better. Also i dont think Alexander can cut and juke 3 people right after the snap in the backfield seeing as how thats what our line does. It lets at least 3 people through for almost every run play.

[mk87]

After a cincussion, ones mind is very cloudy, u can see it in their eyes i didnt see this in Alexanders eyes. The quarterback of my highschool team had a concussion and u could clearly see it in his eyes. We won the game, but he didnt celebrate with us. He just walked around with a blank face.
An injury to an organ, especially the brain, produced by a violent blow and followed by a temporary or prolonged loss of function-this is a concusion I didnt watch the game so i dont know how long Alexander was out or what he looked like, but I saw him running around celebrating, so that told me that the ijury was not serious, and thats just my take.

Ummm... shut up? No one wants to let his opponent that he got to him. It's also up to Holgrem to decide whether to put Alexander back in the game and apparently he didn't think that was wise. Alexander had the chance last season to go set a record for rushing yards (he only needed one more) but Holgrem was reluctant to put him back in the game because he didn't want to risk injury and he did the same thing this year when Alexander wanted to get that 27th TD. (however this season Holgrem let Alexander back in and Alexander was happy to get that TD). Also, maybe Holgrem wants to shut people up about Alexander leading the team and wanted to prove something perhaps? And I would trust the doctors than your speculation.

[rslevy0421]

[quote=HeadTrip]6 carries, 9 yards and a fumble on the goal line before getting the concussion isn't exactly tearing it up. I know he didn't get enough carries to prove anything, but...[quote]

But nothing!!! You have no point. You wouldn't even have a point if he had a WHOLE bad game! Do you want people judging LT for some of his nationally televised games this year (i.e. Philly, Pittsburgh, Chiefs, etc.)? ALL players have bad days.

Again, how many Seahawks games did you actually watch this year or the last few years to back up your statements?

I can't believe I'm even defending Alexander, it's just that some of your arguments are horrible and I hope someone is doing the same for LT on some Seahawks MB.

[mk87]

[quote=HeadTrip]6 carries, 9 yards and a fumble on the goal line before getting the concussion isn't exactly tearing it up. I know he didn't get enough carries to prove anything, but...[quote]

But nothing!!! You have no point. You wouldn't even have a point if he had a WHOLE bad game! Do you want people judging LT for some of his nationally televised games this year (i.e. Philly, Pittsburgh, Chiefs, etc.)? ALL players have bad days.

Again, how many Seahawks games did you actually watch this year or the last few years to back up your statements?

I can't believe I'm even defending Alexander, it's just that some of your arguments are horrible and I hope someone is doing the same for LT on some Seahawks MB.

The Seahawks have a good O-line + they play average defenses :)

But I agree with you. To say that LT is a better player than Alexander (which I personally think is right on the money) is one thing regarding the circumstances, but to play doctor totally diminish Alexander of his efforts to make LT look good is insulting (to LT).

Alexander is a good guy. He's not arrogant. He's always had good seasons, but is usually overshadowed by the likes of LT or Priest Holmes yet never complains about it and I'm sorry but his numbers indicate that he is the better RB this season. Just accept it.

[maxiee]

Ummm... shut up? No one wants to let his opponent that he got to him. It's also up to Holgrem to decide whether to put Alexander back in the game and apparently he didn't think that was wise. Alexander had the chance last season to go set a record for rushing yards (he only needed one more) but Holgrem was reluctant to put him back in the game because he didn't want to risk injury and he did the same thing this year when Alexander wanted to get that 27th TD. (however this season Holgrem let Alexander back in and Alexander was happy to get that TD). Also, maybe Holgrem wants to shut people up about Alexander leading the team and wanted to prove something perhaps? And I would trust the doctors than your speculation.

Well before this u said that I was trying to praise LT with Alexanders concussion, so I assumed that u were trying to tell me that I thought LT is better because of the concussion. I was just trying to explain how I got to that coclusion, and theres not need to get mad about it. :Beer:

[rslevy0421]

[quote=SuperBowlBolts]question how many games did you see alexander running behind an all pro-line and against some pansy Ds?[quote]

Answer: every game.

Question: Why didn't LT win the MVP in 2004 with a good O-Line and "playing against some pansy Ds"?

Question: If LT wins the MVP next year with an improved O-Line and easier schedule, will you be saying it the same thing about LT?

Bottom line is LT has more skills then Alexander, but Alexander had a better year than LT in '05. Your excuses are petty and childish. The man set an NFL record for TD's for Christ sake. Give some credit where credit is due and get your head out of LT's ass!

AND I'M NOT EVEN A ALEXANDER/SEAHAWKS FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HeadTrip]

[quote=HeadTrip]6 carries, 9 yards and a fumble on the goal line before getting the concussion isn't exactly tearing it up. I know he didn't get enough carries to prove anything, but...[quote]

But nothing!!! You have no point. You wouldn't even have a point if he had a WHOLE bad game! Do you want people judging LT for some of his nationally televised games this year (i.e. Philly, Pittsburgh, Chiefs, etc.)? ALL players have bad days.

Again, how many Seahawks games did you actually watch this year or the last few years to back up your statements?

I can't believe I'm even defending Alexander, it's just that some of your arguments are horrible and I hope someone is doing the same for LT on some Seahawks MB.

Don't call me out please.

I watched about 3 hawks games, and Alexander is NOT an elite running back, plain and simple. He has great vision and uses his Oline well, but he isn't overwhelmingly fast, strong or agile. He played with one of the best Olines in the league against one of the weakest schedules in the league and posted great numbers because of it. There are several running backs in the league that are more individually talented than Alexander, including LT, Edge, Jarry Johnson and Tiki Barber.

Alexander is a good running back, but he has no buisness being the MVP of the league.

[SuperBowlBolts]

[quote=HeadTrip]6 carries, 9 yards and a fumble on the goal line before getting the concussion isn't exactly tearing it up. I know he didn't get enough carries to prove anything, but...[quote]

But nothing!!! You have no point. You wouldn't even have a point if he had a WHOLE bad game! Do you want people judging LT for some of his nationally televised games this year (i.e. Philly, Pittsburgh, Chiefs, etc.)? ALL players have bad days.

Again, how many Seahawks games did you actually watch this year or the last few years to back up your statements?

I can't believe I'm even defending Alexander, it's just that some of your arguments are horrible and I hope someone is doing the same for LT on some Seahawks MB.
um , philly and the KC games were not nationally televised, and i would not mind LT being judged for some of his games. Because you'll see a great RB behind one of the worst run blocking lines in the NFL. Its sad that almost every play that Lo. Neal has to stay in and block.

[SuperBowlBolts]

[quote=SuperBowlBolts]question how many games did you see alexander running behind an all pro-line and against some pansy Ds?[quote]

Answer: every game.

Question: Why didn't LT win the MVP in 2004 with a good O-Line and "playing against some pansy Ds"?

Question: If LT wins the MVP next year with an improved O-Line and easier schedule, will you be saying it the same thing about LT?

Bottom line is LT has more skills then Alexander, but Alexander had a better year than LT in '05. Your excuses are petty and childish. The man set an NFL record for TD's for Christ sake. Give some credit where credit is due and get your head out of LT's ass!

AND I'M NOT EVEN A ALEXANDER/SEAHAWKS FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hhhmmmm ok so i guess i should say emmit smith is the best RB ever because he has more yards then anyone in NFL history?

[midnight9875]

Why even bring Johnson into this? The guy put up monster numbers and only started 9 games. Golly gee I hope LT had better stats than him. And now for your Tiki comment, LT and Tiki played 9 games against simular opponents, and Tiki outrushed LT 1,210 to 751. As for your comments about Alexander, I say what the heck are you thinking. No kidding one can get TD's from 1st and goal, but how did the Seahawks get in that position? I guy can't wrack up 1880 yards and 5.1 a pop by just smashing in TD's from 1 to 3 yards out.
Tiki had a better year than L.T. The giants have a horrible o-line. Alexander is the one that doesn't deserve all the hype because he has the best o-line in the NFC and he has the best FB in the NFL and he plays the worst teams with the worst rush defense 8 times a year

[maxiee]

[quote=rslevy0421][quote=SuperBowlBolts]question how many games did you see alexander running behind an all pro-line and against some pansy Ds?

hhhmmmm ok so i guess i should say emmit smith is the best RB ever because he has more yards then anyone in NFL history?

Barry Foster apperently is the best running back in steelers history because he had 1700 rush yards while Jerome Bettis and Franco Harris never eclipsed the mark

[rslevy0421]

[quote=rslevy0421][quote=SuperBowlBolts]question how many games did you see alexander running behind an all pro-line and against some pansy Ds?

hhhmmmm ok so i guess i should say emmit smith is the best RB ever because he has more yards then anyone in NFL history?

UMMMMMMMMM HMMMMMMMMMMM WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Emmit Smith IS one of the best RB's of all time, but what does that have to do with anything? I never claimed Alexander is one of the best anything...if that's what you're implying. The point was that Alexander had a better year than LT, that's it. If you're brain exploded from having to come to terms with that, then I'm sorry. You lost me dude.

[mk87]

Well before this u said that I was trying to praise LT with Alexanders concussion, so I assumed that u were trying to tell me that I thought LT is better because of the concussion. I was just trying to explain how I got to that coclusion, and theres not need to get mad about it. :Beer:

Don't think so highly of yourself. I'm a happy healthy person full of endorphins to ever let some ... random person (to put it nicely)... incite some anger. And I don't drink, but thanks. Just try to be a little more empathetic.

[rslevy0421]

[quote=rslevy0421][quote=HeadTrip]6 carries, 9 yards and a fumble on the goal line before getting the concussion isn't exactly tearing it up. I know he didn't get enough carries to prove anything, but...

Don't call me out please.

I watched about 3 hawks games, and Alexander is NOT an elite running back, plain and simple. He has great vision and uses his Oline well, but he isn't overwhelmingly fast, strong or agile. He played with one of the best Olines in the league against one of the weakest schedules in the league and posted great numbers because of it. There are several running backs in the league that are more individually talented than Alexander, including LT, Edge, Jarry Johnson and Tiki Barber.

Alexander is a good running back, but he has no buisness being the MVP of the league.

There's a difference between talent and production. I never argued LT's talent vs. Alexander's. Don't put words in my mouth. You can make all of the excuses in the world and I don't like it any more than you do, but Alexander had a better year, plain and simple.

BTW, who is this "Jarry Johnson" you keep refering to? Is he Larry's long lost brother?

[rslevy0421]

[quote=SuperBowlBolts][quote=rslevy0421]

Barry Foster apperently is the best running back in steelers history because he had 1700 rush yards while Jerome Bettis and Franco Harris never eclipsed the mark

Huh? What the?

[maxiee]

Don't think so highly of yourself. I'm a happy healthy person full of endorphins to ever let some ... random person (to put it nicely)... incite some anger. And I don't drink, but thanks. Just try to be a little more empathetic.

No problem I have respect for everyone in the NFL becuase they are all better than me, I just like the players on the Chargers more:Bolt:

[mk87]

@headtrip

Well, fact is Alexander's team is pretty shietty. And he's the one putting up the numbers and clearly led his team to an outstanding season so he got MVP. unfortunately they give out MVP for raw numbers, not circumstantial statistics or even effort. get over it?

[maxiee]

[quote=maxiee][quote=SuperBowlBolts]

Huh? What the?

random isnt it:rolleyes:

[SuperBowlBolts]

[quote=SuperBowlBolts][quote=rslevy0421]

UMMMMMMMMM HMMMMMMMMMMM WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Emmit Smith IS one of the best RB's of all time, but what does that have to do with anything? I never claimed Alexander is one of the best anything...if that's what you're implying. The point was that Alexander had a better year than LT, that's it. If you're brain exploded from having to come to terms with that, then I'm sorry. You lost me dude.
Your making alexander all high and mighty he broke the single rushing TD record so all of a sudden we should consider him the best. I said should we consider emmit smith THE BEST RB EVER because he has more yards then any rb in the league no. Everything isnt just about stats.

[HeadTrip]

To say that Alexander's numbers were better than LT's is the "duh" statement of the year. Any moron can look at the numbers, point and grunt "better" as you have proven Rs. Why would you even bring that up? Some of us actually like to look deeper and find reasons for players numbers.

In case some of our less intelligent members missed it, the point of this thread is that we think Alexander is overrated. No one ever said his numbers arn't impressive.

[mk87]

To say that Alexander's numbers were better than LT's is the "duh" statement of the year. Any moron can look at the numbers, point and grunt "better" as you have proven Rs. Why would you even bring that up? Some of us actually like to look deeper and find reasons for players numbers.

In case some of our less intelligent members missed it, the point of this thread is that we think Alexander is overrated. No one ever said his numbers arn't impressive.

I don't think he's overrated................. the Seahawks are overrated =)

EDIT: seriously? resorting to making comments on intelligence?

If you're going to discuss about how overrated he is, be prepare to listen to the other side too.

[rslevy0421]

[quote=rslevy0421][quote=SuperBowlBolts]
Your making alexander all high and mighty he broke the single rushing TD record so all of a sudden we should consider him the best. I said should we consider emmit smith THE BEST RB EVER because he has more yards then any rb in the league no. Everything isnt just about stats.

Can you read???????????? If so, go back and read my posts. I'm not going to repeat myself..........again!

[mk87]

[quote=rslevy0421][quote=SuperBowlBolts]
Your making alexander all high and mighty he broke the single rushing TD record so all of a sudden we should consider him the best. I said should we consider emmit smith THE BEST RB EVER because he has more yards then any rb in the league no. Everything isnt just about stats.

RSLevy can defend himself on this, but I just want to say that he never made Alexander out to be all high and mighty. Re-read his posts.

[SuperBowlBolts]

[quote=SuperBowlBolts][quote=rslevy0421]

RSLevy can defend himself on this, but I just want to say that he never made Alexander out to be all high and mighty. Re-read his posts.
yes, i know what he said but the thing is hes basing a guy off of stats so im basically saying if you base a guy off stats and what he did it makes him seem as the best. Thats why i brought in emmit smith. Yes, alexander is good but hes not better then everyone else because of his numbers. i think tiki got robbed thats just me.

[HeadTrip]

I don't think he's overrated................. the Seahawks are overrated =)

EDIT: seriously? resorting to making comments on intelligence?

If you're going to discuss about how overrated he is, be prepare to listen to the other side too.

I'm not talking about you, you seem perfectly intelligent to me :). As far as the other side of the argument goes, I have heard it from Rs, and it seems to be "his numbers are better." I think that's pretty obvious. Like I said before, the point of the thread is that some people think he is overrated, it has nothing to do with his stats ;).

[mk87]

Well isn't that how the NFL itself is? Basing everything, including the MVP, on stats?

Everyone plays 16 games regardless if they're easy or hard or whatevre (no one can really accurately presume that) and in the end, whoever comes out with the best stats takes it all.

We all know LT (and Emmit) are good. But Shaun just had the numbers this year.
Yes, yes, he's "overrated."

Personally i think Shaun is good but he's boring to watch. I prefer watching LT, he's got stylleeee.

Oh, and since we're venting on how overrated some people are. I thought Rodney Harrison deserved that SB MVP status more than Branch.... ergh.

[rslevy0421]

To say that Alexander's numbers were better than LT's is the "duh" statement of the year. Any moron can look at the numbers, point and grunt "better" as you have proven Rs. Why would you even bring that up? Some of us actually like to look deeper and find reasons for players numbers.

In case some of our less intelligent members missed it, the point of this thread is that we think Alexander is overrated. No one ever said his numbers arn't impressive.

It sounds to me like you're "looking deeper and finding reasons" to discredit someone's numbers. It is not Alexander's fault he has a good O-Line and played a weaker schedule than the Chargers. Just as it wouldn't be LT's fault if it were visa versa. The guy is good. Whether or not he was truly the MVP, I don't know, but to bash a guy because of his great numbers is ridiculous. It's like you guys just really can't deal with the fact that Alexander had a better year than ou precious LT so you call him "overrated"...without any justification!!

Again faulting a guy for having good teamates or his schedule is ridiculous.

[SuperBowlBolts]

Well isn't that how the NFL itself is? Basing everything, including the MVP, on stats?

Everyone plays 16 games regardless if they're easy or hard or whatevre (no one can really accurately presume that) and in the end, whoever comes out with the best stats takes it all.

We all know LT (and Emmit) are good. But Shaun just had the numbers this year.
Yes, yes, he's "overrated."

Personally i think Shaun is good but he's boring to watch. I prefer watching LT, he's got stylleeee.
yes, its sad that everything is based on stats. they should take into consideration what teams they played against.

[rslevy0421]

[quote=CANT TOUCH DIZ][quote=SuperBowlBolts]
Yes, alexander is good but hes not better then everyone else because of his numbers

Who ever said that?

[bolts22]

I may be newish to the forums, but I'm not a new Chargers fan. I can remember so many years where we didn't even have a decent running back. LT rushes for 1300+ a year, plays hurt, catches balls out of the back field and on the rare occasion will even toss a TD pass.

All this praise of Shaun Alexander has this underlying theme of how he's better than LT. Unless another Jim Brown comes into the league, noone is going to win the rushing title every year. Just because another running back has better stats for a season, there's no reason to knock what we have. We're very lucky, I'm sure several teams would trade thier top 2 players to get what we have at RB.

Also, all of you that are complaing about our Offensive line... well, you're no better than Peyton Manning.

[rslevy0421]

yes, its sad that everything is based on stats. they should take into consideration what teams they played against.

Were you saying that two years ago when the Chargers had an "easy" schedule?

Are you going to be saying that next year?

[mk87]

Also, all of you that are complaing about our Offensive line... well, you're no better than Peyton Manning.

Hate to go off-topic, but Peyton's their teammate. How are you going to call out your teammates in a public press conference? What kind of message does that send to the rest of your team?

[maxiee]

Hate to go off-topic, but Peyton's their teammate. How are you going to call out your teammates in a public press conference? What kind of message does that send to the rest of your team?

This is true. We are fans its our job to complain about the imperfection of our team. Peyton is supposed to be a leader and a class act that sets examples for his teammates. When he tells the whole world that his teammates were one of the reasons that they lost thats just wrong.

[boltsareback]

Did everyone see Shaun Alexander on the sidelines cheering like a little girl? He looked like such a wuss, like someone told a 13 year old that she was getting a pony for her birthday. lol

[mk87]

I don't know why this slightly irks me, but his name is Shaun... get it right if you're going to make fun of him LOL XD
--end rant.

and who cares. he's supporting his team, something wrong with that? he's doing what thousands of fans are doing.

[mk87]

This is true. We are fans its our job to complain about the imperfection of our team. Peyton is supposed to be a leader and a class act that sets examples for his teammates. When he tells the whole world that his teammates were one of the reasons that they lost thats just wrong.

We do not complain like Miss Peyton! We constructively criticize and suggest improvements. :)

[SuperBowlBolts]

Were you saying that two years ago when the Chargers had an "easy" schedule?

Are you going to be saying that next year?
no, i wasnt why because we didnt have a winning record

yes, i always factor in who played who when it comes to MVP. If next year our schedule is easy (which is how it look now, but can change with teams coming out of no where like us or the bears) and LT dominates lets say he breaks the td record with like 30 but then theres a guy lets say tiki plays a tough schedule and gets 25 tds my nod will go to tiki.

[crazyman33]

Did everyone see Shaun Alexander on the sidelines cheering like a little girl? He looked like such a wuss, like someone told a 13 year old that she was getting a pony for her birthday. lol

haha i pointed that out to my friend

[GrbgCllctr]

To say that Alexander's numbers were better than LT's is the "duh" statement of the year. Any moron can look at the numbers, point and grunt "better" as you have proven Rs. Why would you even bring that up? Some of us actually like to look deeper and find reasons for players numbers.

In case some of our less intelligent members missed it, the point of this thread is that we think Alexander is overrated. No one ever said his numbers arn't impressive.

HEY! I resemble that remark! :eek:

[TJ21]

Why even bring Johnson into this? The guy put up monster numbers and only started 9 games. Golly gee I hope LT had better stats than him. And now for your Tiki comment, LT and Tiki played 9 games against simular opponents, and Tiki outrushed LT 1,210 to 751. As for your comments about Alexander, I say what the heck are you thinking. No kidding one can get TD's from 1st and goal, but how did the Seahawks get in that position? I guy can't wrack up 1880 yards and 5.1 a pop by just smashing in TD's from 1 to 3 yards out.

If the Seahawks lost yesterday I'd give SA more credit, but as far as I'm concerned Joe Jerivicious and Matt Hassleback (sp?) can carry that team just as easily. Us... not so much, without LT. After he got injured (A CRACKED RIB) we lost 3 out of 4. The only game we won was the only game in which Drew threw for more then 300 yards. Soft schedule, soft division, what do you get? Inflated stats.

[JCDavey]

if you know anything about alexander, you know he's the type of running back that will get 7 yards on 9 carries then break the next 9 carries for like 90+ yds

but anyway, it's the Line in alexander's case i believe, but i can't talk **** about the guy, he had the numbers, he got hurt, and LT got schooled at philly

[Boltman19]

LT didnt have a great season either, so dont go bashing other players like Alexander for leading his team to the playoffs when we couldnt even beat the Dolphins.

Playoffs>no playoffs

[yodafro]

That loss to the Fish was all Leander Jordans fault. If we had Roman Oben in the game Drew would have had an extra second or two to convert on some of those 3rd downs.

With key players out and Hudson Houck out of the picture our O-line had turned into a group of pass blockers only. They were ineffective opening up the middle like they could when Fonoti was here. The only chance LT ever had to make plays was when they used him on the outside.

[mk87]

If the Seahawks lost yesterday I'd give SA more credit, but as far as I'm concerned Joe Jerivicious and Matt Hassleback (sp?) can carry that team just as easily. Us... not so much, without LT. After he got injured (A CRACKED RIB) we lost 3 out of 4. The only game we won was the only game in which Drew threw for more then 300 yards. Soft schedule, soft division, what do you get? Inflated stats.

I still don't know why we didn't start Turner. Our last 4 games was tough, we couldn't win it with either going to the air or the ground... we needed both.

[LA Boltman]

I think Shaun Alexander is a great RB. However, I think he did benefit from a soft schedule, and he's got a great OL.

I belive LT is the better back, but many who've stated he slowed down at the end of the year are right. What RB who had to make so many moves just to get out of his backfield, wouldn't? ...and whether you've heard it or not, he DID have a cracked rib.

When we get some OL help next year, you WILL see the LT of old.

[Alibell1]

That loss to the Fish was all Leander Jordans fault.

Unbelievable! Never in my life have I seen such a poor team performance being blamed on one player. I suppose it's Jordan's fault that the Chargers couldn't keep track of Chambers most of the second half? While we're at it, why don't we blame world hunger on the guy too.

[togusahideo]

omg i cannot believe ppl are riding the shaun alexander band wagon sooo hard there was no team in the league with a record as tough as ours if we had the colts' schedule we'd have gone 16-0!

[mk87]

omg i cannot believe ppl are riding the shaun alexander band wagon sooo hard there was no team in the league with a record as tough as ours if we had the colts' schedule we'd have gone 16-0!

Well, to be the best you have to play the best. See what happened to the Colts in the playoffs due to their soft schedule? To say that we need an easy schedule just to go to the playoffs is ridiculous and insulting to our players. Most of the teams we lost to-- Dallas, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Miami-- we were supposed to win but ended up handing them the win in the 2nd half ( not to mention we lost to 3 of those teams AT HOME)... there's no excuse for that. And the schedules are predetermined for the next few years so there's no way to know whether which team is going to be easy or hard.

Don't dwell on another team's failure to justify our own.

[IgorUnchained]

Which team was 100% all season long?


Yep...the excuses are getting tired and the blame game should have been over a long time ago.

Is LT the best RB in the league......most definately!

Can I give a thousand reasons to prove that wrong? Of course I can....and so can you.


Alexander had a weak schedule
Tiki had Toomer/Plax/Shockey to take some heat off of him
Johnson has the best O line in the league
LT has a cracked rib

and if my aunt had cajones she would be my uncle.

.....she doesnt though, she is just my aunt. That and the fact that LT and the talented Chargers are not in the playoffs are two equally true statements that are past the time where you can do anything about either one.

The problem is that the things that killed the Bolts were foreseeable and AJ (and the Trust in AJ crowd) were all too happy to sit idley by while other "lesser" teams made moves.
The Broncos might go to the super bowl with Jake Plummer and the Browns D line! Remember Champ "no such thing as a shut down corner" Bailey? How about passing on John Lynch because of injury concerns?

Those who bite pillows and rest on their laurels will always lose when other teams do everything in their power (cheat the salary cap, hire "losers and head cases", and cut people like Jerry freakin Rice....to make their teams better.


There really arent ANY excuses and no real blame......it is just time to make sure we learn these lessons FOR REAL this time and get proactive.....get that killer instinct back.

[SupaChagaZ]

Why can’t the people here be Charger Fans and NFL fans in general?

I am noticing that sometimes the insulting of other players and the blatant homerism on this forum is out of control.

Talking bad about a fellow NFL player who had a concussion and his coach held him out? You can’t get much lower than that.

Some of you should be ashamed.

[HeadTrip]

LT didnt have a great season either, so dont go bashing other players like Alexander for leading his team to the playoffs when we couldnt even beat the Dolphins.

Playoffs>no playoffs

This "if you don't win all your players are defective" mentality is getting out of control. Football is the ULTIMATE TEAM SPORT people! If you really think that one player is better than another because his team is in the playoffs you need to sit down and think very hard about your philosophy on football. In some things, results are all you need to look at, but football is so much more complex than that. The effectiveness of a football team has many factors, including but not limited to:

coaching
players
schedule
health
matchups

Of course, this is only a small sample of what you have to consider when thinking about football, but you get the point. When you look at Alexander and think about these things you see:

1) It is a well coached team
2) His suporting cast, especially that Oline is very effective
3) He had one of the softest schedules in the league
4) He was blessed with health
5) He had very favorable matchups nearly every week given the soft schedule.

As you can see, his circumstances were very conducive to success. It is obvious that any running back would have had success in Alexander's situation, and it should be obvious that 1800 yards and 28 TDs is not to be unexpected. I don't think he did anything outstanding, other than take advantage of his situation. The sheer bulk of his numbers are amazing, but IMO, his numbers should be better in that situation if he is a top 3 RB in the NFL.

[mk87]

LT didnt have a great season either, so dont go bashing other players like Alexander for leading his team to the playoffs when we couldnt even beat the Dolphins.

Playoffs>no playoffs

1.) the dolphins are good
2.) we had that game....:mad:

[Alibell1]

It is obvious that any running back would have had success in Alexander's situation, and it should be obvious that 1800 yards and 28 TDs is not to be unexpected.

I'm sorry, but I call BS here. Any RB? You're saying that any RB in the NFL could have put up those numbers? You're reaching big time. Any RB? That's hilarious. I'd love to see what Justin Fargas could do in Seattle. Any RB, HAHAHA.

I guess any RB would have done what OJ did in '73 with one of the greatest lines ever.

I guess any RB would have done what Dickerson did in '84 with one of the greatest lines ever.

I guess any RB could have done what Smith did in Dallas with one of the greatest lines ever.

I don't give a flying hoot what the circumstances are, but no RB is "expected" to go for 1800 and 28 TD's. Alexander's year was huge and far from expected.

[HeadTrip]

I'm sorry, but I call BS here. Any RB? You're saying that any RB in the NFL could have put up those numbers? You're reaching big time. Any RB? That's hilarious. I'd love to see what Justin Fargas could do in Seattle. Any RB, HAHAHA.

I guess any RB would have done what OJ did in '73 with one of the greatest lines ever.

I guess any RB would have done what Dickerson did in '84 with one of the greatest lines ever.

I guess any RB could have done what Smith did in Dallas with one of the greatest lines ever.

I don't give a flying hoot what the circumstances are, but no RB is "expected" to go for 1800 and 28 TD's. Alexander's year was huge and far from expected.

You are drasticly misreading and misquoting me. I said any RB in the NFL would have success in that situation,not that any RB would put up those numbers. Although, I can name several RB's that would have as good if not better numbers ;).

[Alibell1]

You are drasticly misreading and misquoting me. I said any RB in the NFL would have success in that situation,not that any RB would put up those numbers. Although, I can name several RB's that would have as good if not better numbers ;).

Good Lord you're splitting hairs big time. To say I drasticly misread and misquoted you is another epic reach. Again, I would just love to see what Fargas could do in Seattle. I'll bet he couldn't go for 1300 and 15 TD's.

[rslevy0421]

Which team was 100% all season long?


Yep...the excuses are getting tired and the blame game should have been over a long time ago.

Is LT the best RB in the league......most definately!

Can I give a thousand reasons to prove that wrong? Of course I can....and so can you.


Alexander had a weak schedule
Tiki had Toomer/Plax/Shockey to take some heat off of him
Johnson has the best O line in the league
LT has a cracked rib

and if my aunt had cajones she would be my uncle.

.....she doesnt though, she is just my aunt. That and the fact that LT and the talented Chargers are not in the playoffs are two equally true statements that are past the time where you can do anything about either one.

The problem is that the things that killed the Bolts were foreseeable and AJ (and the Trust in AJ crowd) were all too happy to sit idley by while other "lesser" teams made moves.
The Broncos might go to the super bowl with Jake Plummer and the Browns D line! Remember Champ "no such thing as a shut down corner" Bailey? How about passing on John Lynch because of injury concerns?

Those who bite pillows and rest on their laurels will always lose when other teams do everything in their power (cheat the salary cap, hire "losers and head cases", and cut people like Jerry freakin Rice....to make their teams better.


There really arent ANY excuses and no real blame......it is just time to make sure we learn these lessons FOR REAL this time and get proactive.....get that killer instinct back.

Well said, I agree wholeheartidly with these statements. Everyone needs to quit making excuses for the Chargers or other players on other teams. If you want to be a great team, you're going to have a tough schedule....deal with it and stop whining!!!! It is an insult to the Chargers to say they didn't make the playoffs because their schedule was too tough for them, whaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I posted, on a different board, numerous times last offseason that I was concerned that AJ was not making any offseason moves. I always got responses like "AJ knows what he's doing" or "Jue will be a diamond in the ruff like Foley or Godfrey" or "AJ can build through the draft" or "Quality, not quantity". I hope AJ learned from this year that he cannot just sit back and passivly persue a couple no-name players and expect to improve the team. There are too many other teams who are aggressive (see examples above) for us to just sit here and be "content" with our team. I do agree that some "highly regarded" FA's become overerrated in the offseason due to supply and demand, but I hope that AJ plays it smart and signs some big name player (O-line and secondary) who actually are justified in their reputation.

[gazork]

I doubt ANYONE would retun to the game after a concussion.

I'm tired of these namby pamby football players dogging it after a little brain bruise action. If they can't take a little minor grey matter damage from time to time than they go can work at starbucks.

These guys are paid well to likely suffer a lifetime of various physical ailments after their careers are over.:eek:

BTW, regardless of the Seahawk's (NFL) opponents this year, Alexander had a tremendous year and ran like the devil.

[pete985]

The way I look at it is "If Seattle offered a straight up swap of Alexander for LT, would you take it?" I wouldn't take it in a million years, and would prob slap them for their insolence in suggesting such a deal lol. Bottom line is that given the choice I'd always pick LT for my team ahead of Alexander

[SupaChagaZ]

oh good grief...

We have good coaches, We have a good QB, We have good Receivers, We have an Elite TE, I don’t think LT's health was a serious issue until the last 2 games, We have an Oline Built from the draft just like they do.

You might want to re-look at their schedule also. Seattle played teams like

Jacksonville
Atlanta
Washington
Dallas
NYG
Philly
Tennessee
Indy

You can say they also played Rams, 9ers, and Cardinals. But those are division games. We face the Raiders and Chiefs Defenses Twice a year. But they are Division games.

An "easier schedule" does not amount to 28 TD's and 1800 yards. LT has never even come close to that even when we had a last place schedule. Of course you will just blame the Oline.

I have seen almost every Single Seattle game this year. Most of his runs he breaks at least 2-3 tackles. It is not just the Oline.

It has already been pointed out here in previous threads our Oline is not nearly as bad as you all make it out to be. We have one of the best sack records and LT still had 1400 yards even though he "fell down" about 100 times this year.

There are some teams out there with stellar Olines and their RB didn’t accomplish anything. The only reason you guys are attacking Alexander like this is because you have some kind of Need to Defend LT and his second Underachieving year in a row. Blame it on injuries, Blame it on the Oline, Blame it on Shoes, Blame it on whatever you want.

But don’t go all Co-dependant and act like you have an inferiority complex needing to tear someone else down to make yourself feel better or justified.

[togusahideo]

1. reCOMMIT! to winning!
2. a litttle better decision making in ownership.
3. more depth @ the offensive line (a good rookie and a pro bowl veteran tackle, plus what we still have.
4. quentin jammer to WAKE the hell up!(1st round?....sadly yes).
5. a veteran CORNERBACK to wake quentin the hell up.
7. an apology letter to LT and brees from the o-line for not giving them much of a chance(and they still both finished in the top of the nfl).
8. a smiting of the forebrow of cam cameron for not throwing to LT more(hmm 100 catches anyone remember that?).
10. a trade sending rivers, leber and polk to the jets for ty law and j.fabini
11. more commitment from us the fans......stop leavin the stadium when it ain't lookin good and scream when the opposing team has the ball we are the 12th man.
12. a new brain for quentin jammer:)(damn! just look back and you wouldn't get half the calls you get...PLZ!!!).we all see what happened to charles tillman,quit peaking in the back field we have linebackers .
13. reduce our embarrasing attemp at using zone coverage.
14. referees to be fair and objective,(lets face it the refs don't like the raiders or us, it's the only thing we have in common).
15. a secondary that actually watches film, cuz it seems like a couple of guys except drayton and clinton are sleeping in meetings.
16. to catch interceptions rather than almost catch them.
17. to put ourselves in a postion where the refs don't matter
18. to hold larry j, and alexander to 50 yards total next year!
19. run the table in the afc west like last year and beat "da tigers" and the steelers... lol
20. crank it up foo! lol jk.
20. somehow reunite lavarr and merriman on the chargers roster. (can u say pass rush/pursuit of the millenium?

[SupaChagaZ]

The way I look at it is "If Seattle offered a straight up swap of Alexander for LT, would you take it?" I wouldn't take it in a million years, and would prob slap them for their insolence in suggesting such a deal lol. Bottom line is that given the choice I'd always pick LT for my team ahead of Alexander

So did most of the fantasy league players this year. Look what it got them?

I am really trying to figure out what LT has done to garner this much worship? Its already been pointed out in previous threads that Alexander has consistently had better stats than LT every single year since they came into the NFL.

LT had one better year in 2003 and only in receiving yards. Something he has not done before or since.

When these kinds of things are pointed out the only answer you get is "well if you love the guy so much why don’t you go be a Seattle fan" or some other one liner.

I am not saying that I prefer Alexander to LT personally. I exclusively play the Chargers in Madden period end of statement. I will continue to do that (if i am able) long after LT has retired and we have someone else in there. However you guys act like LT in in another category above alexander, when none of the statistical information over the last five years supports it. The guy even won MVP!!

[spysnipedis]

how many times do i have to tell you all this.

go ahead and go on www.nfl.com and look at the stats some more.

stats are overrated. its all about whos brings it on game day.

[rslevy0421]

how many times do i have to tell you all this.

go ahead and go on www.nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com) and look at the stats some more.

stats are overrated. its all about whos brings it on game day.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. How can stats be overrated? How else do you propose to measure athletes? Should we get rid of the olympics since they are measured on stats? Who has great stats and doesn't "bring it on game day"? Is this animosity toward stats because you scored low on your SAT's or something? What are you talking about?

[Alibell1]

how many times do i have to tell you all this.

go ahead and go on www.nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com) and look at the stats some more.

stats are overrated. its all about whos brings it on game day.

I think you would have been better off saying, "Stats don't tell the whole story." Usually when people say something like, "stats are overrated" it's because they can't find any to help support their argument.

[HeadTrip]

Good Lord you're splitting hairs big time. To say I drasticly misread and misquoted you is another epic reach. Again, I would just love to see what Fargas could do in Seattle. I'll bet he couldn't go for 1300 and 15 TD's.

Lol HELLO?? Think about what you just said. You think a career backup at RB could get about 1200 yards and 13 TDs in Seattle? You just agreed with me, athough you did it in the most unpleasant manner possible. go look up his career stats thus far and tell me how big of an increase in production that is ;).

[HeadTrip]

So did most of the fantasy league players this year. Look what it got them?

I am really trying to figure out what LT has done to garner this much worship? Its already been pointed out in previous threads that Alexander has consistently had better stats than LT every single year since they came into the NFL.

LT had one better year in 2003 and only in receiving yards. Something he has not done before or since.

When these kinds of things are pointed out the only answer you get is "well if you love the guy so much why don’t you go be a Seattle fan" or some other one liner.

I am not saying that I prefer Alexander to LT personally. I exclusively play the Chargers in Madden period end of statement. I will continue to do that (if i am able) long after LT has retired and we have someone else in there. However you guys act like LT in in another category above alexander, when none of the statistical information over the last five years supports it. The guy even won MVP!!

Well one reason most people think LT is better than Alexander is because we don't have to take him off th field on 3rd down passing situations because he can't block or receive. That's right, the league MVP can't even be utilized in the passing game :rolleyes:.

[spysnipedis]

I think you would have been better off saying, "Stats don't tell the whole story." Usually when people say something like, "stats are overrated" it's because they can't find any to help support their argument.

no i say that because it is overrated. anyone can go look at stats without watching any games, and obviously people think whoever has those stats are the best player in the world

[HeadTrip]

Beleive it or not, a players stats are actually dependant on may factors other than his own talent. I'm not sure everyone here has actually seen a football game

[rslevy0421]

no i say that because it is overrated. anyone can go look at stats without watching any games, and obviously people think whoever has those stats are the best player in the world

How many non-Chargers games have you watched? From where I'm sitting, it doesn't sound like any. Please move out of your parents basement and join the real world.

[spysnipedis]

How many non-Chargers games have you watched? From where I'm sitting, it doesn't sound like any. Please move out of your parents basement and join the real world.

a lot, and from your sitting it looks like your parents basement.

[rslevy0421]

Beleive it or not, a players stats are actually dependant on may factors other than his own talent. I'm not sure everyone here has actually seen a football game

First of all, you made a comment about Alexander's blocking. If that was intended to infer that LT's blocking is any better then I don't think you watched ANY Chargers games this year.

Secondly, what is your point above? Who's saying that a players stats don't involve the help of their teamates? This isn't a freakin GOLF MB. Do you want the Chargers to fix the O-line or would you like it to remain the same so LT's "stats" aren't tainted by good teamates?

Please answer these questions and don't sound like a whiny five year old while doing so.

[rslevy0421]

a lot, and from your sitting it looks like your parents basement.

What the...? LOL...good one! Come back and talk to me when you are old enough to drive.

[spysnipedis]

What the...? LOL...good one! Come back and talk to me when you are old enough to drive.

k



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[HeadTrip]

First of all, you made a comment about Alexander's blocking. If that was intended to infer that LT's blocking is any better then I don't think you watched ANY Chargers games this year.

Secondly, what is your point above? Who's saying that a players stats don't involve the help of their teamates? This isn't a freakin GOLF MB. Do you want the Chargers to fix the O-line or would you like it to remain the same so LT's "stats" continue to digress?

Please answer these questions and don't sound like a whiny five year old while doing so.

Of course LTs blocking is better. He is a top 5 blocking RB in the league and you are the only one that doesn't seem to get that. The only time his blocking was at all bad was after the oakland game when he had a cracked rib and it was still better than Alexander's. I don't think you have ever watched a Charger game.

Since you seem to be so caught up in stats, I thought that needed to be said. I wouldn't be much of a charger fan if i didn't want the team to improve now would I?

[rslevy0421]

Of course LTs blocking is better. He is a top 5 blocking RB in the league and you are the only one that doesn't seem to get that. The only time his blocking was at all bad was after the oakland game when he had a cracked rib and it was still better than Alexander's. I don't think you have ever watched a Charger game.

Since you seem to be so caught up in stats, I thought that needed to be said. I wouldn't be much of a charger fan if i didn't want the team to improve now would I?

Thanks for sounding like a whiny five year old AND answering NEITHER of my questions. I'm done with you.

[HeadTrip]

Thanks for sounding like a whiny five year old AND answering NEITHER of my questions. I'm done with you.

I answered your statement about LT's pass blocking and told you I wanted the Oline to get better. I think I have adressed everything you said.

And by all means, be done with me. All the crap you are feeding me is giving me a stomach ache.

[Alibell1]

Lol HELLO?? Think about what you just said. You think a career backup at RB could get about 1200 yards and 13 TDs in Seattle? You just agreed with me, athough you did it in the most unpleasant manner possible. go look up his career stats thus far and tell me how big of an increase in production that is ;).

In what way did I agree with you? Talking about "drasticly misreading and misquoting". I think you see and read just what you want to, not what's really there.

[Alibell1]

He is a top 5 blocking RB in the league and you are the only one that doesn't seem to get that.


How does one quantify something like that? If he was on the Raiders you wouldn't have begun to pull together a thought like that. I swear, the lengths some people will go to is just laughable.

[HeadTrip]

Well I said this:

It is obvious that any running back would have had success in Alexander's situation

Then you said:

Good Lord you're splitting hairs big time. To say I drasticly misread and misquoted you is another epic reach. Again, I would just love to see what Fargas could do in Seattle. I'll bet he couldn't go for 1300 and 15 TD's.

So it looks to me like you think that Justin Fargas would comfortably break 1000 yards and get around 13 TD's on the season in Seattle. Considering his stats in the past, that is one hell of an increase in production.

To me, it looks like you agree that "any running back would have success in Alexander's situation." Am I wrong?

[Alibell1]

Well I said this:



Then you said:



So it looks to me like you think that Justin Fargas would comfortably break 1000 yards and get around 13 TD's on the season in Seattle. Considering his stats in the past, that is one hell of an increase in production.

To me, it looks like you agree that "any running back would have success in Alexander's situation." Am I wrong?

You're right, I agreed with you without even knowing it. I'm stupid you're smart. Quit your job and go be a scout, cause you're wasting your time doing what you're doing now.

**

For those whou couldn't tell, that was sarcasm.

[HeadTrip]

Nice rebuttle. How would you like your crow?

[Alibell1]

Nice rebuttle. How would you like your crow?

I'll tell you one thing, you are good for a laugh. It really is no fun debating with a person that can't even begin to look at another's point of view. You "think" you're right, we'll never change that. So bravo stud, you "think" you actually won something.

[HeadTrip]

I'll tell you one thing, you are good for a laugh. It really is no fun debating with a person that can't even begin to look at another's point of view. You "think" you're right, we'll never change that. So bravo stud, you "think" you actually won something.

I'm perfectly open to your point of view, I just havn't seen anything to make me change my mind. As of right now I will read anything you have to say with a completely open mind. Hit me with ur best shot.

[rslevy0421]

I'm perfectly open to your point of view, I just havn't seen anything to make me change my mind. As of right now I will read anything you have to say with a completely open mind. Hit me with ur best shot.

OK. I can't take it, let's start from scratch...what is your point?

[fregon]

I think the biggest proof that Alexander is helped by the performance of it's O line is the stats put up by the FB and backup RB in the last game. Between both they ran 89 yards with the FB breaking a 30+yrd run. That is the reason why Alexander, & L Johnson are very successful runners. Give LT a line like Seahawks or KC and see what wonder LT does. Everything revolves around the O line.

[rslevy0421]

To me, it looks like you agree that "any running back would have success in Alexander's situation." Am I wrong?

If this is your point, then I would like you to explain where you are deriving this from. Alexander has been succesful every he has played in the NFL and every year he played in college. So I'm not really sure what you are basing this on. If you are suggesting that every RB with a good O-Line is overrated, than you are discounting the talent of Larry Johnson, Edgerin James, Tiki Barber, etc. Not only that, but you would be discounting LT's accomplishments if he had a good line. Please clarify this.

[rslevy0421]

Well one reason most people think LT is better than Alexander is because we don't have to take him off th field on 3rd down passing situations because he can't block or receive. That's right, the league MVP can't even be utilized in the passing game :rolleyes:.

If your point is that LT is a better blocker than Alexander, than please give us proof. I've never heard a negative comment made regarding Alexander's blocking and by the same token, I've never heard ANYONE (aside from you) call LT a "top 5 blocking back". So as with the other post, I'm asking for facts to back your statement up.

[rslevy0421]

Beleive it or not, a players stats are actually dependant on may factors other than his own talent

I agree with this statement, however it was used in the context of another yahoo on this board who was saying (pathetically) that stats are overrated. While stats may not tell the COMPLETE story, they are the only thing we have to judge players that we do not watch on a game to game basis. If you feel this is not a good way to compare players (even though it's what has been used since the creation of sports), what do you suggest to replace it with?

[rslevy0421]

I think most people will agree that LT is more talented than Shaun Alexander, but to attack Alexander because he put up outstanding numbers (as he has every year) is ridiculous. It sounds like typical Chargers fan whining....whaaaaaaaaaah our schedule was too hard....whaaaaaaaaahh his O-line is better. I'm sure that LT himself would be embarrased at the pathetic excuses you guys are using to descredit Alexander. The bottom line is when LT has an easier schedule and better O-line, you won't want fans of other teams saying the same about your precious LT.

[LtsGirl]

LT'S RUSHING


Year G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD

2001 16 16 339 1236 3.6 54 10 7 67
2002 16 16 372 1683 4.5 76 14 12 90
2003 16 16 313 1645 5.3 73 13 12 81
2004 15 15 339 1335 3.9 42 17 6 68
2005 16 16 339 1462 4.3 62 18 8 71


TOTAL 79 79 1702 7361 4.3 76 72 45 377


SHAUN RUSHING

Year G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD

2000 16 1 64 313 4.9 50 2 1 20
2001 16 12 309 1318 4.3 88 14 8 61
2002 16 16 295 1175 4.0 58 16 10 61
2003 16 15 326 1435 4.4 55 14 9 79
2004 16 16 353 1696 4.8 44 16 15 77
2005 16 16 370 1880 5.1 88 27 14 107

TOTAL 96 76 1717 7817 4.6 88 89 57 405



LT'S RECEIVING

Year G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
2001 16 16 59 367 6.2 27 0 1 0 12
2002 16 16 79 489 6.2 30 1 2 0 20
2003 16 16 100 725 7.3 73 4 5 2 26
2004 15 15 53 441 8.3 74 1 3 3 16
2005 16 16 51 370 7.3 41 2 4 1 15


TOTAL 79 79 342 2392 7.0 74 8 15 6 89


Shaun's Receiving

Year G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD

2000 16 1 5 41 8.2 18 0 0 0 2
2001 16 12 44 343 7.8 28 2 2 0 15
2002 16 16 59 460 7.8 80 2 1 1 19
2003 16 15 42 295 7.0 22 2 3 0 16
2004 16 16 23 170 7.4 24 4 1 0 9
2005 16 16 15 78 5.2 9 1 0 0 3

TOTAL 96 76 188 1387 7.4 80 11 7 1 64




Shaun has out rushed LT by a total of 456 yard, but if you only count the years they both are in the league he has only out rushed LT by 143. LT has 1000 more yards in receiving then Shaun also. So for the people that are acting as if stats mean everything please show me in the stats were Shaun is just dominate?!!!?!?

In no way, I'm I trying to take away from what Shaun has done in his career, so please don't take it that way. The fact of the matter is, (without making any excuses for why one or the other numbers are better) there is a glaring dominance in receiving yards not rushing yards.

[BoltFiend]

Just out of curiosity, how many Seahawks games did you watch this year to come to the conclusion that "Alexander is WAY overrated"?

All of them. My Brother is a Huge Seahawks fan and we have the Sunday ticket...

[TJChargersFan]

The reaction of some people here against the people that dare say that a player had a better year than LT reminds me of the Salem Burnings

Random dude says " Shawn Alexander had a better year then LT"
Mob chargers fans " He's a witch, BURN HIM BURN HIM"
Random dude 'AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a"

[sonorajim]

True LT probably would'nt go back in the game with a concussion. But which is worse playing with. Playing with the pain of a concussion or a cracked rib. Concussions don't linger like cracked ribs. I'd take the concussion any day over that. Can you imagine the kind of heart it takes to play with an injury like that. No rushing title was on the line, maybe a shot at the post season. He played for his team. He sucked it up. He's LT...

Players like that get signed to long term contracts.
I'll take the cracked rib. Concussions can lead to brain damage and/or death. I've had both. The cracked rib hurt for a few weeks but brain lesions are permanent.

[gazork]

I'll take the cracked rib. Concussions can lead to brain damage and/or death. I've had both. The cracked rib hurt for a few weeks but brain lesions are permanent.

I'll opt for the cracked rib also (and what the hey, throw in a broken arm ,some bad service at starbucks and a mild melanoma).

Anything involving the brain is the last thing you want to be a problem.

[Currimos]

The reaction of some people here against the people that dare say that a player had a better year than LT reminds me of the Salem Burnings

Random dude says " Shawn Alexander had a better year then LT"
Mob chargers fans " He's a witch, BURN HIM BURN HIM"
Random dude 'AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a"

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I was trying to think of the best metaphor I could use for this debate, and I think you nailed it.

I dont see why people have such a hard time recognizing Sean for the year he had. This year he was the better back. Deal with it. 2006 is a new season, we will see how things pan out then.

[Chargeroo]

The reaction of some people here against the people that dare say that a player had a better year than LT reminds me of the Salem Burnings

Random dude says " Shawn Alexander had a better year then LT"
Mob chargers fans " He's a witch, BURN HIM BURN HIM"
Random dude 'AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a"So true. This guy is a stud. He has the kind of speed and power that is rare. People that think he's not a good RB either don't see him or don't know what they are looking at. I've seen him break 3 or 4 tackles on the same run. He is the real deal and so is Larry Johnson and so is LT. There's nothing wrong with saying some RB other than LT is good!

[Coltpsp21]

He was MVP after all, with the quality of talent in the NFL today, I say it would be mighty difficult to be overrated and the league MVP

[maxiee]

He was MVP after all, with the quality of talent in the NFL today, I say it would be mighty difficult to be overrated and the league MVP

Manning did it:p

[JCDavey]

That loss to the Fish was all Leander Jordans fault. If we had Roman Oben in the game Drew would have had an extra second or two to convert on some of those 3rd downs.

With key players out and Hudson Houck out of the picture our O-line had turned into a group of pass blockers only. They were ineffective opening up the middle like they could when Fonoti was here. The only chance LT ever had to make plays was when they used him on the outside.

front 7 didn't do diddly squat vs miami's Oline if memory serves, leading to lots of making gus look like a frigging pro bowl qb

[SuperBowlBolts]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I was trying to think of the best metaphor I could use for this debate, and I think you nailed it.

I dont see why people have such a hard time recognizing Sean for the year he had. This year he was the better back. Deal with it. 2006 is a new season, we will see how things pan out then.
yes, he was the better back this season but overall LT is still the best back in the league.

[JCDavey]

omg i cannot believe ppl are riding the shaun alexander band wagon sooo hard there was no team in the league with a record as tough as ours if we had the colts' schedule we'd have gone 16-0!

colts played the steelers in the regular season, we lost to pitt

at the least we would have been 15-1 haha

but seriously, knowing our chargers this season, we would have found a way to choke away at least 4 or 5 on that soft schedule

[JCDavey]

Well, to be the best you have to play the best. See what happened to the Colts in the playoffs due to their soft schedule? To say that we need an easy schedule just to go to the playoffs is ridiculous and insulting to our players. Most of the teams we lost to-- Dallas, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Miami-- we were supposed to win but ended up handing them the win in the 2nd half ( not to mention we lost to 3 of those teams AT HOME)... there's no excuse for that. And the schedules are predetermined for the next few years so there's no way to know whether which team is going to be easy or hard.

Don't dwell on another team's failure to justify our own.

here's a fun fact

2005 miami dolphins > our san diego chargers of 2005
(as far as win loss record tie breaker)

[JCDavey]

Why can’t the people here be Charger Fans and NFL fans in general?

I am noticing that sometimes the insulting of other players and the blatant homerism on this forum is out of control.

Talking bad about a fellow NFL player who had a concussion and his coach held him out? You can’t get much lower than that.

Some of you should be ashamed.

this is one of the greatest posts i've ever seen , hit the nail right on the head

[Boltman19]

this is one of the greatest posts i've ever seen , hit the nail right on the head

Agreed, remember the week of the Steelers game everyone was down on Troy Polamalu. They were saying how he wasnt a good saftey, and all he could do is hit, well those idiots were wrong.

[Boltman19]

1.) the dolphins are good
2.) we had that game....:mad:

We did have that game, in the first half, and then boom, Chambers and Booker run all over us

[maxiee]

here's a fun fact

2005 miami dolphins > our san diego chargers of 2005
(as far as win loss record tie breaker)

Saban is doing wonders isnt he?

[Currimos]

Saban is doing wonders isnt he?

From what I've heard from some of their fans, the o-line was much improved. Interesting to note that Hudson Houck took over for them this year. I still say we should have payed that man his money.

[SD_Connection]

From what I've heard from some of their fans, the o-line was much improved. Interesting to note that Hudson Houck took over for them this year. I still say we should have payed that man his money.

woulda-coulda-shoulda

[JerryinCA]

The Steelers IMO are definetly a better team over all than we are right now. I know a lot of people keep saying we are better than anyone in the playoffs but the fact that we aren't there proves that theory wrong. When we played the steelers at the end of the game we knew they were going to run and we couldn't stop them, we had a lead and let it go, our highly rated at the time run defense had no answer for Bettis. I love our team but I do like others and the steelers are a team that has my respect. I hope the superbowl comes down to the steelers vs the seahawks with seattle winning out (doubtful I know)

[Chargeroo]

here's a fun fact

2005 miami dolphins > our san diego chargers of 2005
(as far as win loss record tie breaker)The funny thing about that game is the Dolphins came in known for the good running game and we stuffed their runs but got blown away by a journeyman QB. That's probably our saddest loss of the past season.

Those who say we'd have been 16-0 with the Colts record - I don't think so. Our team seemed to play down to the lesser teams on the schedule. Losses to the Cowboys and Dolphins make me think we'd have lost a few of those games that the Colts won. Even in a couple of our wins we didn't play up to our potential. Look at the games where we had a nice lead at the half and let it end up a close game. Our players didn't always play to their full potential.

[mk87]

The funny thing about that game is the Dolphins came in known for the good running game and we stuffed their runs but got blown away by a journeyman QB. That's probably our saddest loss of the past season.

Those who say we'd have been 16-0 with the Colts record - I don't think so. Our team seemed to play down to the lesser teams on the schedule. Losses to the Cowboys and Dolphins make me think we'd have lost a few of those games that the Colts won. Even in a couple of our wins we didn't play up to our potential. Look at the games where we had a nice lead at the half and let it end up a close game. Our players didn't always play to their full potential.

Yeah... I wonder about that too. How did we win against the "tough" teams and lost to the "flukes" (well I personally didn't think the Dolphins were a fluke but that's besides the point). Thinking about it almost pisses me off.

[JCDavey]

The Steelers IMO are definetly a better team over all than we are right now. I know a lot of people keep saying we are better than anyone in the playoffs but the fact that we aren't there proves that theory wrong. When we played the steelers at the end of the game we knew they were going to run and we couldn't stop them, we had a lead and let it go, our highly rated at the time run defense had no answer for Bettis. I love our team but I do like others and the steelers are a team that has my respect. I hope the superbowl comes down to the steelers vs the seahawks with seattle winning out (doubtful I know)

i think we're capable of being better than any of the playoff teams, we simply weren't , and we simply didn't take advantage when we had to, and all those missed opportunities in the first few weeks came back to kill us as i'm sure most of us thought they might

[JCDavey]

about the dolphins game, we straight got our asses kicked , our front 7 did absolutely zero in terms of pass rush, and when you get no pass rush and have a inferiour secondary like ours, you're going to get killed by any nfl qb, even cleo lemon would have probably torched us

that trade hurt us on offense , zach thomas even said it, that was probably the worst chargers trade of all time (unless i'm forgetting some real bad trades aside from trading our 1st round picks)

[Alibell1]

Playing against a real team, Shaun Alexander proved that he cannot carry the load...

You see, what I meant was...

Does Carolina count as a real team?

[Currimos]

You see, what I meant was...

Does Carolina count as a real team?


Yes they do, but we will see what Alexander does against Pitt's 3 - 4 D. Im going to go with not much, and I see Bettis getting his ring. Im ok with that.

[JerryinCA]

i think we're capable of being better than any of the playoff teams, we simply weren't , and we simply didn't take advantage when we had to, and all those missed opportunities in the first few weeks came back to kill us as i'm sure most of us thought they might

Honestly I don't think we have the talent in some areas to say we are capable of being better than the teams that were in the playoffs. We need help in a few key areas and once we get it we should be set. I had a problem with how inactive we were during free agency last year, most people here shouted me down because I questioned why it was a good idea to keep all of the starters on a team that couldn't get past the first round of the playoffs.

Most said "we'll have more continuity and improve" well we didn't, we have some guys that just don't cut it and it was aparent to some last year. I fault AJ primarily for sitting on a team that wasn't good enough before. His answer to the problem was a back up from green bay and a good draft. Well 2 draft picks were good, one is decent and the other has a ton of potential but couldn't get healthy and the rest either didn't make the team or were practice squad players. I know you should do your best to build a team through the draft but everyone knows that's not 100% possible and you are going to have to bite the bullet and bring in a top player from another team at some point.

[Onion Knight]

Allright, Im sorry for calling Alexander that I just dont like the fact that he is so overhyped. Anyway if he is really the great running back everybody says he is than he will prove it against the Panthers.

He is the Media's golden boy this year. Same with Steve Smith, and why not? they put up big #s , plus you have the media bending the knee to this fanasty fooball craze, of course they are gonna suck up to the stat monsters. Just like they did to the colts for winning 13 consecutive games....

[JerryinCA]

Doesn't every great running back need a good O line? LT is great and he had a crappy O line and it showed when we needed him most. I can't see faulting a player because he's got good teammates who do their job the way they are supposed to.

[ptr77]

Ya shawn alexander sucks.
He didn't break the td record, he didn't lead the league in rushing yards, he didn't help lead his team to the superbowl, he didn't put up over 130 yards versus a very good carolina d that shut down tiki barber...

Shawn alexander is a great rb, and for all the talk of how great his line is, you guys do realize tobeck is just above avg, locklear is a backup that replaced "pork chop" womack when he got hurt, and i can't even name the right guard. The left side is definitely sweet but if you watched his games the guy does break tackles, and when theres no hole he can bounce it outside and get it. This season he was something like 16 for 16 on 3rd and 1, so he can also get "tough yards", people that bash him have some sort of inferiority complex, or are just worried he may be better than tomlinson. He isn't better than tomlinson right now but he will probably keep posting better seasons than him.

[eddy5]

Besides Shaun Alexander plays for 2 teams under 2 different names. Alexander/ Strahan

[R4PT0R]

Alexander gets way too much credit for what he does. I'm sorry to disappoint all of you Alexander Lovers, but this has to be said. The man has the best left side in the league with Hutchinson at Guard and Jones at Tackle. He also has a pro bowl fullback in Mack Strong. The man can't hit a home run unless he is inside the 10 yard line. Yes i know.. he did hit a few long runs but if you put Peyton Manning in at runninback he could of made those runs. Alexander is not even close to being one of the best runningbacks that ever lived. Put him in on the Chargers less than great O-line and see how he does. Then try to put him in and block and catch a few passes. He is not a 3 down back. Nuff said.

[HeadTrip]

Alexander doesn't have anything left to prove to anyone. He's one of the best. He's in the middle of a sure first ballot hall of fame career.

Lets put the guy who can't even play on 3rd and 5+ in the HOF. Yeah right... Go watch an Alexander highlight reel and all you will see is a guy jogging into the endzone from 2 yards out. He certainly is amazing. :rolleyes:

[R4PT0R]

Lets put the guy who can't even play on 3rd and 5+ in the HOF. Yeah right... Go watch an Alexander highlight reel and all you will see is a guy jogging into the endzone from 2 yards out. He certainly is amazing. :rolleyes:

WELL SAID MY FRIEND! WELL SAID.

[Totally Bolted]

Alexander gets way too much credit for what he does. I'm sorry to disappoint all of you Alexander Lovers, but this has to be said. The man has the best left side in the league with Hutchinson at Guard and Jones at Tackle. He also has a pro bowl fullback in Mack Strong. The man can't hit a home run unless he is inside the 10 yard line. Yes i know.. he did hit a few long runs but if you put Peyton Manning in at runninback he could of made those runs. Alexander is not even close to being one of the best runningbacks that ever lived. Put him in on the Chargers less than great O-line and see how he does. Then try to put him in and block and catch a few passes. He is not a 3 down back. Nuff said.

Every running back needs a line. I think Shaun is a good running back. Not great, just good. HOF? no. If he can run on us like Johnson did then maybe I upgrade him. Till then, and we'll get our chance to see, he's just another Pro Running back.

[R4PT0R]

Anyone who buys into this stuff that Alexander is not one of the very best backs today is just ignoring the facts. You can't find one single aspect of his game which is a weakness.

He's effective in short yardage situations. He's effctive with his back against his own goal line. He's effective on first down. He's effective on third and fourth downs. He's effective when his team is playing from behind. He's effective when his team plays a ball control offense. He's effective in goal line situations. He's effective at mid field. He has more than his fair share of long runs. When he's used as a receiver he's effective.

He's an awesome back. Recognizing that doesn't take anything away from LT's greatness either. Don't be jealous of another's success.

HAHA!... o i needed a good laugh today. Thanks.

[Bolt4Life]

Alexander had a concussion!!! There's no way LT goes back in a game after suffering a concussion either. I also don't recall hearing LT had a "cracked" rib, I know it was bruised but that's as much as I"ve heard. Again, I love LT and think he is one of the best RB's in the league, but he was just as inconsistant this year as the rest of team. He definately has the talent to be the best, maybe even one of the best ever, but he was neither this year. The fact is that, Alexander, Tiki Barber, and Larry Johnson all had better years than LT in '05. People need to take their blinders off in SD about LT and just admit when he doesn't play well. That said, he's still the man.

SA had a concussion for one game

[Stone]

I'm understanding you, VOR, but...

He's in the middle of a sure first ballot hall of fame career.
They don't just give that honor to anybody.

[HeadTrip]

Anyone who buys into this stuff that Alexander is not one of the very best backs today is just ignoring the facts. You can't find one single aspect of his game which is a weakness.

He's effective in short yardage situations. He's effctive with his back against his own goal line. He's effective on first down. He's effective on third and fourth downs. He's effective when his team is playing from behind. He's effective when his team plays a ball control offense. He's effective in goal line situations. He's effective at mid field. He has more than his fair share of long runs. When he's used as a receiver he's effective.

He's an awesome back. Recognizing that doesn't take anything away from LT's greatness either. Don't be jealous of another's success.

That's a big giant load of poo poo I'm afraid. He has never been successful on short yardage situations until this year, when he didn't have to do any power running due his line always blowing the opposing line off the LOS. He is also not effective on 3rd downs because he is often taken out on 3rd downs when it's a passing situation because he is a poor blocker and a poor receiver. He is also a big whiner, like when he called out his coaching staff because he lost the rushing title to Curtis Martin that year and he said he should have got more carries. :rolleyes:

I know all running backs need a good line, but there is a balence there when trying to determine if a player is great. Alexander played with one of, if not the best Oline in football last year against one of the easiest schedules in football. He padded his stats against easy opponents and he was unable to do anything special in the playoffs. He is just a good running back with great stats, nothing more.

[Chargeroo]

I think he's a heck of a good RB. He does have a very good line in front of him, although not as good as the Chiefs, IMO. It's somewhat true that he padded his stats some against the poorer teams on the Seahawks schedule but he also had some good good games against some pretty good defensive teams. -

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2150

It doesn't take anything away from LT to acknowledge other RB's. LT's still the best but Alexander is a darn good back.

[HeadTrip]

I think he's a heck of a good RB. He does have a very good line in front of him, although not as good as the Chiefs, IMO. It's somewhat true that he padded his stats some against the poorer teams on the Seahawks schedule but he also had some good good games against some pretty good defensive teams. -

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2150

It doesn't take anything away from LT to acknowledge other RB's. LT's still the best but Alexander is a darn good back.

The only great game he had against a playoff team was against a reeling Colts team right after Tony Dungy's son killed himself.

Alexander rushed for 1460 yards and 23 TDs against none playoff teams.

In the playoffs he had 236 yards on 60 carries (3.9 average), 2 TDs and 1 fumble lost.

Just for fun you can compare LT and Alexander's common opponents and you will see that dispite a vastly inferior Oline, LT put up superior stats. In other words, Alexander is pretty good, but he is not great, and he is certainly not the most valuble player in the league.

[Chargeroo]

Just for fun you can compare LT and Alexander's common opponents and you will see that dispite a vastly inferior Oline, LT put up superior stats. . I already was aware of that. As I looked at his numbers on that link I knew that LT did better against common opponents. However, LT is way above good. If only we could improve the run blockers in our o-line, with a fullback like Neal and a runner like LT - man we'd have a lot of fun next fall. :21: :Bolt:

[HeadTrip]

I already was aware of that. As I looked at his numbers on that link I knew that LT did better against common opponents. However, LT is way above good. If only we could improve the run blockers in our o-line, with a fullback like Neal and a runner like LT - man we'd have a lot of fun next fall. :21: :Bolt:

I agree, and I think our run blocking will be improved, not to the point where it will be comparable to Alexander's, but improved. I just think people give Alexander too much credit to mention him with the LT or some of the other top RBs like Edge or Tiki.

Btw, I wasn't really directing that comment at you, I was just using the stat you provided to make a point. I know you know your stuff ;).

[R4PT0R]

Damn.. I'm tired of Alexander. He is not even comparable to LT. MVP.. ya right. Ive previously explained the reasons why and i am not going to waste my time. This MVP award he got is just absolutely atrocious... do all of the people just look at the stats and not the underlying factors.. i mean come on!! and now im hearing he is selected for the Madden 07' cover.. For the love of God his ego is so large he wont even be able to fit onto the football field. By the way.. Head Trip i couldnt agree with you more on every single one of your posts on this thread.

[HeadTrip]

Too many of you are looking to be plain jealous of Alexander and all of his success. That's a pity. I'm sure Alexander and his fans aren't jealous of LT or any other top rate back.

Way to back up your argument with some facts. I can't blame you for not trying though. If you look at it closely, the facts all say he is not anywhere near as good as you say.

[thefreak676]

i'm looking foward to the seattle vs. sd game.......i can't wait to see Shawn "LIGHTS OUT" Merriman:56: knock the crap out of Alexander.....hes a whiner who will be euro trash without hutchinson......as for LT :21: he will be mvp this year, our oline will be greatly improved (new coach, oben back, and draft jon scott and move olivea to guard......) IMO Lt will break the TD record this season and will have 65 catches for 500 yds plus an 1800 yd season and will be mvp and hopefully lead our SAN DIEGO SUPER CHARGERS to a super bowl victory.......:Helmet:GO CHARGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I know this has nothing to do with this but AJ pease draft Antonio Cromartie.....he is the next deion but he's bigger......:Beer:

[mk87]

Too many of you are looking to be plain jealous of Alexander and all of his success. That's a pity. I'm sure Alexander and his fans aren't jealous of LT or any other top rate back.
It's not about jealousy. It's called considering the circumstances. Who cares about Alexander and his fans, but I'm sure if you ask NFL fans in general who's the best back and/or who'd they'd like to have on their team, there will be an established trend in their replies.

I'm personally over the whole Alexander-league MVP thing blah blah. He earned it. And in the NFL, he's rewarded the title because they try to be as fair and indisputable as possible by rewarding the title solely base on production.

[Farmer808]

SA will probably surpass 100 touchdowns and go into the HOF in the next 10 or so years

[thefreak676]

This ranks as one of the most ignorant post anywhere on this message board. I'm just wondering what he means by calling Alexander "euro trash"? I can only guess that he heard the moniker euro trash used in some movie he liked and has been looking for a way to use it himself. Strange choice of words there.

Also, Alexander still has the rest of his 2005 O line intact. Hutchinson has been replaced by a stud O lineman they got from the Pats. Alexander's on a legit super bowl contender again next season.




This shows that there is merit to my idea that some here are jealous of Alexander for some unknown reason.

Tomlinson does have MVP potential, but so do a lot of other guys. It's also sort of a team accomplishment.

Tomlinson doesn't harbor this jealousy for Alexander. I don't know why some fans can't do the same.


first of all i never called alexander euro trash i said he will be euro trash(didn't see it in a movie so hmmmm....maybe i just pulled it out my.....) without hutchisnon....the anchor of that line by the way.......and also the seahawks will have a much more difficult time getting to the playoffs let alone the super bowl with this years schedule....last year they had a cupcake schedule......

it's not that we are jealous i think their were better more deserving players like STEVE SMITH for example he was a GAMEBREAKER..........

ANd finnally i plain old don't like alexander cause he just rubs me the wrong way....hes arogant, i don't know if u ever played football......but i would never want a guy on my team complaining about how many carries he got so he could get the rushing title.....FOOTBALL IS A TEAM SPORT.....no one player is better that the team.....

hows that for an ignorant post.....

[mk87]

and also the seahawks will have a much more difficult time getting to the playoffs let alone the super bowl with this years schedule....last year they had a cupcake schedule......



That's not exactly true either! From the Bolt Blog:

Looks like the Chargers are about in the middle of the pack. Someone at the league likes the Seattle Seahawks. You think?
Team W L Pct.
Cincinnati Bengals 139 117 .543
New York Giants 139 117 .543
New Orleans Saints 138 118 .539
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 138 118 .539
Pittsburgh Steelers 136 120 .531
Kansas City Chiefs 135 121 .527
Tennessee Titans 135 121 .527
Baltimore Ravens 134 122 .523
Houston Texans 134 122 .523
Philadelphia Eagles 133 123 .520
Oakland Raiders 132 124 .516
Washington Redskins 132 124 .516
Denver Broncos 132 124 .516
Cleveland Browns 131 125 .512
St. Louis Rams 130 126 .508
Atlanta Falcons 130 126 .508
Carolina Panthers 129 127 .504
Dallas Cowboys 129 127 .504
Arizona Cardinals 128 128 .500
San Diego Chargers 125 131 .488
Jacksonville Jaguars 125 131 .488
Indianapolis Colts 124 132 .484
San Francisco 49ers 122 134 .477
Buffalo Bills 122 134 .477
Detroit Lions 121 135 .473
New England Patriots 121 135 .473
Miami Dolphins 120 136 .469
New York Jets 119 137 .465
Minnesota Vikings 117 139 .457
Seattle Seahawks 117 139 .457
Green Bay Packers 115 141 .449
Chicago Bears 114 142 .445
* Source Elias Sports Bureau

[thefreak676]

wth.......its probably because the NFC west is so bad it drags the the percentage down......i dunno......but dont they have to play all the division winners from the nfc and the steelers???

[HeadTrip]

The fact that Alexander has posted the single season record for rushing TD's means nothing? The fact that he's the only back in history to scorea t least 15 TD's a season for 5 straight seasons means nothing? Th fact that he carries the ball as much as he does and is as durable as he is means nothing?

I can produce facts about how good of a back he is. You can only give an opinion about how you think he's not as good as the facts say he is.

I've looked closely...... Now, you tell me of one of the facts you would use to prove he's not as good of a back as I think he is........?

Lol that is the exact opposite of looking closely. Any child can look at numbers and go, "oh pretty" and that is all you have done. I've already gone into depth as to why he is not a great running back, but you just go right back into the redementry argument that he has good stats.

[R4PT0R]

That's a big giant load of poo poo I'm afraid. He has never been successful on short yardage situations until this year, when he didn't have to do any power running due his line always blowing the opposing line off the LOS. He is also not effective on 3rd downs because he is often taken out on 3rd downs when it's a passing situation because he is a poor blocker and a poor receiver. He is also a big whiner, like when he called out his coaching staff because he lost the rushing title to Curtis Martin that year and he said he should have got more carries. :rolleyes:

I know all running backs need a good line, but there is a balence there when trying to determine if a player is great. Alexander played with one of, if not the best Oline in football last year against one of the easiest schedules in football. He padded his stats against easy opponents and he was unable to do anything special in the playoffs. He is just a good running back with great stats, nothing more.

YESSS!:Beer:

[R4PT0R]

Way to back up your argument with some facts. I can't blame you for not trying though. If you look at it closely, the facts all say he is not anywhere near as good as you say.

Exactly my thoughts.

[R4PT0R]

Lol that is the exact opposite of looking closely. Any child can look at numbers and go, "oh pretty" and that is all you have done. I've already gone into depth as to why he is not a great running back, but you just go right back into the redementry argument that he has good stats.

YESS. haha. Headtrip you are tha man. :Cheers:

Ive already explained my thoughts on SA and am simply observing all of these pathetic posts.

[The-Beast]

In a nutshell, I say he's a great back because he's cocsistently sucessful in every situation a back can face. He has developed to the point that he has no obvious weaknesses.this comment just made me spit milk through my nose. the guy comes out on 3rd and 5 because he cant block and isnt a receiving threat. if you truely believe that you sir are in denial.

[R4PT0R]

this comment just made me spit milk through my nose. the guy comes out on 3rd and 5 because he cant block and isnt a receiving threat. if you truely believe that you sir are in denial.

Damn Right! :Beer:

Voice of Reason, Please try to post something that is worthwhile. :nono:

[mk87]

You have not gone into depth on this. You have only said the you THINK he's not a great back. Now that may be going into depth in your mind, but.......

In a nutshell, I say he's a great back because he's cocsistently sucessful in every situation a back can face. He has developed to the point that he has no obvious weaknesses.

His offensive line (minus Hutchinson now)

[HeadTrip]

You have not gone into depth on this. You have only said the you THINK he's not a great back. Now that may be going into depth in your mind, but.......

In a nutshell, I say he's a great back because he's cocsistently sucessful in every situation a back can face. He has developed to the point that he has no obvious weaknesses.

Lol you must not have read a single one of my posts. Go back and re-read this thread, because I have already pointed out his blatantly obvious weaknesses. At least, they are blatant to those who watch football with a ceetain degree of seriousness. I don't know your paticular status as a fan.

[mk87]

Hutchinson was only one member of that offensive line and he's a guard at that. Guards are widely considered the easiest position to fill on an O line. That's why so many were so perplexed by the Vikings offer to Hutchinson.

Alexander will be running behind one of the best O lines in football with orwithout Hutchinson.

so you do acknowledge their o-line. thank you.

[SP17BOLT]

i'm looking foward to the seattle vs. sd game.......i can't wait to see Shawn "LIGHTS OUT" Merriman:56: knock the crap out of Alexander.....hes a whiner who will be euro trash without hutchinson......as for LT :21: he will be mvp this year, our oline will be greatly improved (new coach, oben back, and draft jon scott and move olivea to guard......) IMO Lt will break the TD record this season and will have 65 catches for 500 yds plus an 1800 yd season and will be mvp and hopefully lead our SAN DIEGO SUPER CHARGERS to a super bowl victory.......:Helmet:GO CHARGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I know this has nothing to do with this but AJ pease draft Antonio Cromartie.....he is the next deion but he's bigger......:Beer:

Yeah i agree

[SP17BOLT]

LT had a cracked rib buddy, he was still out there trying to help his team, Alexander ran to the bench like a little biatch

LT still wanted to play and he did play in our last 4 games. While Alexander went and got benched. Alexander is a good RB but not as good as LT. LT is a great person and will win us a superbowl

[SP17BOLT]

Alexander had a concussion!!! There's no way LT goes back in a game after suffering a concussion either. I also don't recall hearing LT had a "cracked" rib, I know it was bruised but that's as much as I"ve heard. Again, I love LT and think he is one of the best RB's in the league, but he was just as inconsistant this year as the rest of team. He definately has the talent to be the best, maybe even one of the best ever, but he was neither this year. The fact is that, Alexander, Tiki Barber, and Larry Johnson all had better years than LT in '05. People need to take their blinders off in SD about LT and just admit when he doesn't play well. That said, he's still the man.

LT did play with cracked ribs. We found out after Denvers game. LT is the best RB in the league Throws, Receives, Rushes, Breaks Tackles like no other player. Is there anything LT can't do. Gives us some good o-line and LT with Break records like no other player as. With this oline we had this season and last year LT still had good numbers. With the oline that Larry johnson has, LT would be breaking tackles out side of the pucket and not in the back were he alway does. LT is the best player and you know that.:Bolt:

[SP17BOLT]

I'm sorry did you just say, "blah, blah, blah..."?

I'm not a Seahawlks fan at all, actually I love the Chargers. I'm just stating the facts. You can make all of the excuses in the world why those other RB'S had a better year than LT, but the fact remains that they all DID. I'm sure next year, if LT has a better season than Alexander, then Seahawks fans will use the same excuses you are using for LT this year (playing better teams, easy schedule, blah blah blah). I'm sure you've heard the saying, excuses are like *******s....

Personally, I'm sick of excuses...great player/teams don't make excuses, they WIN!


Yeah i agree with that one. LT showed us in the Redskins game, and the chargers in the colts game. All i have to say is We will Return to the Superbowl. Seahawks fans had there year last. They will have to wait like we did. now it's our time 2004 playoff can't forget the nate missing fieldgoal but thats in the past im not mad at him for that. But you never we could of beat the Steelers like Humphries did in 1994 to go to our 2nd SB Appearance. LT will take us to the SB and the chargers 1st SB victory, i've been waiting all my life for that moment. I know i will support my team no matter what.

go Chargers!!!

Show the NFL who is the best team. The San Diego Chargers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HeadTrip]

I'm a fan who understands football. I'm a fan who isn't jealous of others success. I'm a fan who realizes Alexander's ability and greatness take nothing away from LT. Unlike many of you.......

Many of you think it's a "zero sum game" here. Many of you seem to think there's only enough room for 1 great RB. Many of you seem to think that recognizing Alexander means one must minimize LT's greatness.

There just might be a reason why fans of teams other than Seattle think Alexander is vastly overrated. Hell I was on the Seahawks board a while ago and many fans were saying they should ditch Alexander and save all that cap space because any schmuck could run being that line. That is coming from SEAHAWK FANS, not me.

[HeadTrip]

When did Alexander get benched? He may have been taken out of games in which the Seahawks had a safe lead and wanted to protect him, but he has never been "benched".

Many here seem to follow a comment on Alexander with something about how great a RB Tomlinson is. This proves that many here for some strange reason are jealous of Alexander's success. They're jealous of his MVP award, his publicity and his TD Record.

I would bet any money Tomlinson isn't jealous. Tomlinson is a great back. He does what he does arguably better than anyone. Alexander is a great back. He does what he does and fits the Seattle offense arguably better than anyone else.

We are just using LT as an example of what a great RB truly is. You can replace his name with several other backs in the league to make the point, but LT is our hometown boy so we use him. Feel free to substitute Edge Barber, Portis, or any other RB that runs about as well as Alexander without the whiney attitude and with receiving/blocking skills.

[HeadTrip]

Just thought I'd include some Hawk fan comments about Alexander when he signed his new contract:

Re: Seahawks sign Alexander to 8 year, $62m deal!
Posted: 3/5/2006 8:30 pm

I dont like this deal
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Re: Seahawks sign Alexander to 8 year, $62m deal!
Posted: 3/6/2006 12:15 am

Ill just be upset if we lose Hutch over this. I truly believe Hutch should have been priority. Last season we signed Jones before Alexander and Hasselbeck. I believe we should have signed Hutch before giving a offer to ALexander.
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This is one of my favorites

just watched ESPNs cold pizza there all getting a good laugh at the shaun signing. saying seattle over paid and they pointed out a few reasons.
1. no team would offer that much money.
2.he is going to start declining he has already reached the RB peak age.
3. no RB MVP has ever matched their stats the following year.
they also pointed out shaun runs better in NFC WEST the teams are weaker, he wouldn't have his numbers in any other div.
the only positive thing they said was seattle wont pay all the money because shaun will only be here for a few years. which is what I thought. if he signed he had about 2 or 3 years left in him.then we'd trade or cut him.
just wish seattle would stop being the joke of the NFL.
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Re: Seahawks sign Alexander to 8 year, $62m deal!
Posted: 3/6/2006 9:49 pm

And now the question is which Shaun do we see next year? The one who busted his buns, running hard and doing some pass blocking or the pre-contract extension Shaun who chose to avoid pass rushers like the plague and hemmed and hawed at the line of scrimmmage.
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A lot of people realize that Alexander is overrated. I don't know why you don't.

[R4PT0R]

This is very true, it is almost ridiculous how much credit Alexander gets. The absolute crums of the cake NFC WEST of the NFL. The teams he runs against six times a year - just unbelievably horrible. I cant wait till Jones retires, the NFC gets way more competitive so Seattle doesnt just walk away with the division title, and Alexander gets a career ending injury from Shawne Merriman:56:

Cheers Headtrip! :Cheers:

PS. Voice of Reason hahahahahahaha

[R4PT0R]

You're a classy dude.

Why thank you very much! :Beer: ;)

And by the way, I love how you commented on what i actually said about Shaun Alexander, instead of just taking out a part of my piece and making a blatantly useless remark, cause jeeez that would just be stupid right? Right?

Thats what i thought.:Cheers:

[HeadTrip]

Not one of those comments has people saying Alexander is not a great back. Those fans don't like how much he's being paid.......big deal.

Next time post comments which support your claims. Comments made on "Cold Pizza" by Woody Paige and Skip Bayless need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Whatever dude, I'm done with you. When you learn to defend your arguement with some facts you can criticize my support, but since you havn't posted anything to defend your stance, you have no room to talk. Repeating that Alexander is great over and over is not support. You can go watch your vastly overrated running back miss block and block and run through wide open holes so he can get tackled by a FS and call him great if you like, but some of us have a clue.

[R4PT0R]

Why thank you very much! :Beer: ;)

And by the way, I love how you commented on what i actually said about Shaun Alexander, instead of just taking out a part of my piece and making a blatantly useless remark, cause jeeez that would just be stupid right? Right?

Thats what i thought.:Cheers:

Right? You truly are something else.

[R4PT0R]

I love how you commented on what i actually said about Shaun Alexander, instead of just taking out a part of my piece and making a blatantly useless remark, cause jeeez that would just be stupid right? Right?

Thats what i thought.:Cheers:

Your right - it is very effective, especially in a case like this.

[Boltman19]

Many will say that SA and LJ are overrated because of their lines. They also don't realize that it takes skill to do so, and are quick to blame the O-line for the RB's success. Not just any RB can do this, otherwise SA wouldn't have gotten that contract. Don't you think that if this were true, the Seahawks would have given Alexander a smaller contract