Miami Herald: Chargers interested in Dolphins CB Sam Madison.

[Dan40]

CB Sam Madison (linked to K.C., Atlanta and San Diego) reiterated to friends he won't take a pay cut from Miami.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/13792761.htm

[BoltsfanNYC]

sweet nice find.

[bigbolthead21]

Yeah I read this in kffl.com this morning and I was going to post it but I decided not to. anyway, sam madison is a good player but I don't think we should get him unless we put him @ safety or nickelback (which I doubt he'll do), otherwise we don't need him. jammer is starting to come out of his shell and florence is starting to develop into a good corner but he needs more experience and he will only gain more experience by starting and I doubt madison will want to play nickelback.

[Mr. Heisman]

I say no on this! too, He's good but no

[LTfan4life]

Do something to fix our secondary....

[loweezy]

you kidding? sam madison > florence. + veteran leadership. he can teach those young dbs a thing or two.

[Rivers2Gates]

no kidding lets try to get this done!!

[WakkaWakkaWakka]

THis all depends on the kind of money Madison wants. He already has said he will not take a paycut in miami, which doesn't worry me too much but he may ask for a lot.

Besides, how did he do this season in terms of coverage?

[LTMvP61nizine]

Thats awesome...

[ChampCharger]

Florence has been good at times...great at times and then horrible the next play...
With pass interferences and just getting torched, I think he's shown over the past two seasons that HE is the guy who should play nickel back.

Sam Madison did very well last season...against us he did well...we couldn't even throw the ball against Miami.
Remember this is the team that chose to keep Sam Madison over Patrick Surtain.
He'd be PERFECT!

[Ikeman83]

I'd take him if we could have him for a cap number of 2.5 Mil or less

[ghost]

He's slated to make $6.2 million this year as a Dolphin which will cause his eventual release from Miami and he has told friends he refuses to take a pay cut? Am I missing something? Where's the 'awesome' part?

He better be willing to forget about that kind of money or there's really nothing to talk about.

[Tomlinson21]

Dude...Sam Madison in a Charger Uniform....a hard hitting Free Safety...O-line...

sniff....sniff....I smell something magical in 2006.

[BoltsfanNYC]

neal... backus...bentley or mawae oline//
randle el...wayne..moulds...
hope or guy form the panthers..

[HighBoltage]

Florence has been good at times...great at times and then horrible the next play...
With pass interferences and just getting torched, I think he's shown over the past two seasons that HE is the guy who should play nickel back.

Sam Madison did very well last season...against us he did well...we couldn't even throw the ball against Miami.
Remember this is the team that chose to keep Sam Madison over Patrick Surtain.
He'd be PERFECT!

If you can't beat 'em......have some of them join you. I say we should do it. You never know what players are willing to do or change if it means they are joining a Super Bowl contender. We can use his vet leadership and skill. My only question is in regards to his character. I haven't heard anything about him in that regard.

[CBO]

I would not mind picking him up for 1-2 years. He is still one of the elite DB's in the league. Usualy when a guy says he will not take less money means that he wants to be released so they can pick what team they would like to play for.

[Ikeman83]

He's slated to make $6.2 million this year as a Dolphin which will cause his eventual release from Miami and he has told friends he refuses to take a pay cut? Am I missing something? Where's the 'awesome' part?

He better be willing to forget about that kind of money or there's really nothing to talk about.

He might not be willing to take a paycut to play for Miami, but he might take one to play for us. Then there's contract structuring and what not... Does anyone know how much we have cap Davis and Flo are going to take up this season?

[HeadTrip]

There is no point in sitting on our cap room. We have the means to get better this offseason and we need to do everything we can to make sure we do. Obviously, we can't go out and spend money for the sake of it, but if we can improve our team at a reasonable price it needs to be done.

Sam Madison is one of the best in the league, and having him will automaticly give us one of the strongest group of CBs in the league. Jammer is coming into his own right now, and would probably be the best #2 CB in the league. I saw if we can bolster our secondary for a few years we need to do it. By the time Madison retires we will have Jammer ready to reclaim the #1 spot and we can draft young guys to grow while not being thrust into action before they are ready.

BTW, if AJ is actually interested in this guy, he does not have character problems.

[Ikeman83]

I don't think anyone wants us to sit on our cap room, but we've still got to sign DB (that's gonna be between 6-8 Mil this year), and a few more of our own players, we have to sign our draft picks, and then we can look at FA. After signing our own guys, we're lookin at maybe have 11 Mil left under the cap. I would like to be able to sign 3-4 FAs rather than 2-3, and paying 6 Mil for one guy would kinda hurt that.

[CBO]

I don't think anyone wants us to sit on our cap room, but we've still got to sign DB (that's gonna be between 6-8 Mil this year), and a few more of our own players, we have to sign our draft picks, and then we can look at FA. After signing our own guys, we're lookin at maybe have 11 Mil left under the cap. I would like to be able to sign 3-4 FAs rather than 2-3, and paying 6 Mil for one guy would kinda hurt that.


Free Agency(March) starts before the draft(April). If we wait till after the draft to sign FA's we will just get scraps. We would not sign a DB at 6-8mil. The only way we get maddison in a trade is if he restructures his deal. Or if the Fins let him go we can sign him for much less.

[Ikeman83]

Free Agency(March) starts before the draft(April). If we wait till after the draft to sign FA's we will just get scraps. We would not sign a DB at 6-8mil. The only way we get maddison in a trade is if he restructures his deal. Or if the Fins let him go we can sign him for much less.

Sorry, that was a mistyped post. I meant to post that we have to account for both, not that FA comes after the draft or that we should only sign leftovers.

[Totally Bolted]

I don't think anyone wants us to sit on our cap room, but we've still got to sign DB (that's gonna be between 6-8 Mil this year), and a few more of our own players, we have to sign our draft picks, and then we can look at FA. After signing our own guys, we're lookin at maybe have 11 Mil left under the cap. I would like to be able to sign 3-4 FAs rather than 2-3, and paying 6 Mil for one guy would kinda hurt that.

3 to 4 FA's are one to two too many. (get that :p ) 2 to 3 is all I think we need and can afford. Unless your talking about ourown FA's. Like Brees for example. shoot there's almost $8.5 mill right there.

[FireDawg4487]

The CB we need to pick up is Deshea Townsend in Pittsburgh. He's a free agent this year and they are 6 mil over the cap and they're going to want to keep Randle El. He's a good solid corner and is probably a lot cheaper than Madison.

[Ikeman83]

Townsend isn't any better than either of our starting corners, though. His game is helped massively by the safety help he has over the top.

[ChampCharger]

Townsend is pretty good.
Bottom line Sam Madison is better. He's in the elite of NFL CBs.

[meatbucket]

3 to 4 FA's are one to two too many. (get that :p ) 2 to 3 is all I think we need and can afford. Unless your talking about ourown FA's. Like Brees for example. shoot there's almost $8.5 mill right there.

we already paid brees a ****load of money last year. now that he has a torn shoulder he will probably make less money in 06, not more.

[Ikeman83]

ok, 6 Mil that still takes us down to around 14 Mil in cap room

[loweezy]

we already paid brees a ****load of money last year. now that he has a torn shoulder he will probably make less money in 06, not more.

it all depends on what the chargers do... if they can't reach a long term deal... then they'll likely have to franchise him again...

[mikeavo22]

This would be a great pick up, but I feel our need is more in the safety position than CB especially if its going to cost us some $$$$ in FA. If we can work out both positions, I'd say do it. We do need any and all help we can get in our secondary.

[TJ21]

Madison was THE cornerback in 1998 and 1999. He had 13 INTs in that stretch, a sack and 2 TDs. This year he had 2 picks, but I'd still be glad to have him. He's an improvement on all but Jammer.

[wikimama]

Sam Madison is this years pro bowls alternate at CB, So he is still alot better than Jammer and Davis. Also it would be good for Jam to learn from a star vetran.

[TJ21]

Sam Madison is this years pro bowls alternate at CB, So he is still alot better than Jammer and Davis. Also it would be good for Jam to learn from a star vetran.
Thanks for the info wikimama! I didn't know he was an alternate! Wow, it would be great if we could get this guy. :Beer:

[TheIceCreamMan]

hees waaaaaay too old....

[WakkaWakkaWakka]

Sam Madison may have some years on him, but if we're gonna make a run at the SB then Madison would be a great help.

[MUNG]

Sam Madison is this years pro bowls alternate at CB, So he is still alot better than Jammer and Davis. .

Vick is in the pro bowl too. Does that make him better than those QBS that didn't go?

Man I hate Vick.

[Mr. Heisman]

Vick will win a super bowl before Manning trust me! Young did it over Marino! same thing just give Vick a chance he has learn to calm down and throw it! He'll do good this year! Chargers VS Falcons Super bowl 41! from Miami! wow! Chargers win of course! no on Sam too! lol

[ltinabottle]

Sam Madison would be a welcome addition to the Chargers defense. He would fill the same role Dwayne Harper did the year the Chargers won the AFC west and played in the Superbowl. Back then their was Harper and Darrien Gordon at the corners along with Stanley Richard and Darren Carrington at safeties. Madision would provide stability and stellar play for our young secondary moving Jammer to the #2 corner and Florence to the nickel positon.

He is a veteran 9 yrs and has made the pro bowl 4 times. Granted he is 32, but he is still athletic enough to hang with the best receivers in the league.

Go Bolts:Bolt:

[Dojo]

does anyone remember lynch's, edwards', and bettis' age? Great teams need veterane leaders! He's a step closer to the sb

[JoeMcRugby]

Vick will win a super bowl before Manning trust me! Young did it over Marino! same thing just give Vick a chance he has learn to calm down and throw it! He'll do good this year! Chargers VS Falcons Super bowl 41! from Miami! wow! Chargers win of course! no on Sam too! lol

Young, unlike Vick, was always a solid passer.

Vick goes his NFL career without appearing in a Super Bowl. :Beer:

[thehotdelancey]

For the right price, Sam madison gets me all excited and Giddy for the chargers again...

For 6-8 million, no way.

[IgorUnchained]

There are some really good posts in this thread....some quality Chargers logic IMO!

Madison is still one of the elite cover corners in the NFL. I wanted Patrick Surtain last season in the baddest way, but we all know how that turned out.
Surtain and Madison made up the best CB tandem I have ever seen in my years of football. They didnt need to be big hitters (the front 7 of the Dolphins has been able to hold it's own for a while now), they helped their team by shutting down WR after WR.
Fletcher was the product of those Surtain/Madison years. He couldnt get a starting spot because of the talent that was in front of him on the depth chart. This year, when given a chance, Fletcher has shown himself to be one of the best (if not THE best) cover guy on the team. I dont know if Fletcher would still be on the team, but he and Madison are friends and are both "cover first" corners. As was stated in an earlier post....Miami got rid of Surtain and held on to Madison.

Another great point mentioned earlier is that none of the free agent money will be coming out of our pocket, and the Chargers dont win a prize by being "the team with the most cap money left over".

Randy Moss was banged up last season, but he will likely be healthy to start this season. There are two teams in the AFC West that are looking at T.O. right now. How was Chargers coverage this season? Do you want to see T.O. and Moss in 4 games next season with our current squad if we have other options?

Ty Law is old and was in a wheelchair at this time last year and still turned out to be in the top 3 CBs in the league this season. We passed on Surtain and played it safe in the offseason last year. This year we have 9 (?) draft picks (alloted money) and a higher cap (still in good shape even with Brees).

If you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.....how badly does everyone involved want a Super Bowl? Do you expect that run to be easy....or cheap?

[TJ21]

Vick is in the pro bowl too. Does that make him better than those QBS that didn't go?

Man I hate Vick.
We should get Vick as a CB, he's fast enough. :Beer:

[JoeMcRugby]

Another great point mentioned earlier is that none of the free agent money will be coming out of our pocket, and the Chargers dont win a prize by being "the team with the most cap money left over".

Igor, when have the Chargers have "cap money left over"?

They have spent it down to the last million every year since the inception of the salary cap. :confused:

I guess you're not a fan of them using their cap money for throwaway players like LT, Gates, Williams, Lo Neal, Keenan, Foley, Merriman, Castillo, Eric Parker, Roman Oben and the like - and hopefully, Brees in the next few weeks.

Damn AJ and Ed McGuire for wasting cap space every year on those lightweights!!

;)

Bottom line: the Chargers use almost every dollar of their cap space every single year. Maybe someone like Ty Law will sign for that extra $500K that's left over in the bin every season.

[IgorUnchained]

Igor, when have the Chargers have "cap money left over"?

They have spent it down to the last million every year since the inception of the salary cap. :confused:

I guess you're not a fan of them using their cap money for throwaway players like LT, Gates, Williams, Lo Neal, Keenan, Foley, Merriman, Castillo, Eric Parker, Roman Oben and the like - and hopefully, Brees in the next few weeks.

Damn AJ and Ed McGuire for wasting cap space every year on those lightweights!!

;)

Bottom line: the Chargers use almost every dollar of their cap space every single year. Maybe someone like Ty Law will sign for that extra $500K that's left over in the bin every season.



The Chargers felt like the smartest guys in the room last season when they thought they only needed to patch a few holes and get through the draft.
The Bolts started out in decent cap shape and chose (wisely) to take care of certain players (even some who's deals werent up yet). It wasnt like the Gates and Merriman contracts didnt hurt the team, and it wasnt like the draft was error free at all. Fonoti is gone and the O line that is made up of great leaders and overachieving young guys struggled this season when faced with a harder schedule and injuries. We knew that the secondary was a bit hole-y and we knew we needed a safety....I believe I heard the words "deep threat" enough to know that even forum members saw a few needs that would never be addressed by the gurus in the front office. Not having proper coverage or a deep threat hurt us again this season to "whatever" extent....

They had the money, they spent the money.....I think we agree that far.

You are correct that they DID make moves.....they just kept most of the money "in house". I am one of those guys who thinks we were 7 points a game from winning the Super Bowl this year with the squad we had, but the fact remains that the moves that were made last offseason were not enough.

I loved the resignings last season and so far this offseason. I like keeping guys on the team long enough to fully evaluate them after they have learned the system.
The fact remains that the Chargers have suffered from watching the level of talent go up exponentially while choosing to try and improve solely through the draft. The Broncos did very well with the Browns line....who's laughing now? Patrick Surtain and the other moves the Chiefs made DID help them more than wishful thinking and a poker face. Both of those teams beat the Bolts in the division after the Bolts were AFC West Champs the year before.
I think that speaks for itself.

As for the cap.....The Chiefs spent wisely last season, but still spent ALOT! The Broncos and Raiders were in horrible shape cap-wise last season and they made huge moves all over the place. Maurice Clarett, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss.....these arent players that losing teams in cap trouble can afford to gamble on.

Did they post the cap numbers for the Steelers and the Seahawks at the big game? I couldnt see through all of that confetti and merry-making.....:Beer:

[JoeMcRugby]

And who said last year's moves weren't enough?

You said that there aren't any awards for having the most cap money left over - the fact is that the Chargers never have any cap room left over.

Now that they've secured the base of their roster for the next few years, they have some cap space to spend on free agents - and I expect them to do so.

That's assuming, of course, that neither Brees nor PR take up half of their current cap space by (1) having to tag Brees again or (2) trading PR.

If they do either, then there won't be a lot of cap money to dump at the doorstep of free agents come March 3rd.

BTW I'm not one of the guys who think the Bolts were 7 points away from the Super Bowl this year. Considering the fact that Brees' and LT's effectiveness took a big hit almost every time they played top tier defenses. That gives rise to two possibilities: (1) LT and Brees aren't championship material players, or (2) the o-line needs an overhaul.

As for the defense, offense's picked on the massive hole over the middle of the field.

So here's my question, Igor: over the past year, which guy should the Chargers considered non-essential to their future and spent cash on guys like Ty Law: Jamal Williams? Antonio Gates? LT? Steve Foley? Keenan McCardell? Lo Neal?

I don't see any of them as indispensible. What I saw with 2005 was another step in getting a base for a franchise to annually compete for the Super Bowl. AJ and Ed McGuire couldn't lock those players up AND chase big money free agents who more often than not aren't cost effective.

We'll see this offseason where I expect them to be more active than the past two seasons, but let's don't confuse the issue of "being the team the furthest under the cap". That's not what the Chargers have done ever since the cap has been around. :Beer:

[IgorUnchained]

I totally agree....and I think that having all of those guys signed and on board will not only be great for the success in years to come, it will also be invaluable in picking up free agents who wish to have a shot in the next few years at a ring.

I think that Sam Madison or anyone else would recognize that difference from a mile away. This is no longer the Chargers org that the Mannings thought it was. There ARE quality players as the foundation for this team and it was wise of AJ to spend the money where he did in that regard. We also have some players who have been under 3 O line coaches in 3 years. These things should be seen coming, much like midseason problems with Fonoti or a lack of depth at O line even though the last 2 years has seen at least 2 free agents and 5 draft picks for the O line. Some of that blame does fall on the geniuses in the front office.

I dont expect perfection from anyone, and I dont need to see anyone fired.....just saying to learn from past mistakes.

As for the cap, your knowledge on the subject dwarfs mine....uncle......but my point is that the Raiders and Broncos start off in horrible shape and end up owing money every year. I never see them go to jail for it or have to skip a season as a result.
This team is close....dont be afraid to pull out all stops for the next 3 years or so.

As I said before, it isnt like you get a prize for being under the cap, but spending all your money and still not getting to the playoffs doesnt make you a genius either.

I think the team, if healthy, could take the Super Bowl as they stand right now....pre draft and pre free agents. However, I would still choose to exhaust all options (well, not TO options or anything) to do whatever I could to get this team to the promised land.

The team is close....They match up VERY well with the team that won the Super Bowl this year. Draft well and open up the purse strings in FA...we should all be enjoying a much longer season next season IMO.

[JoeMcRugby]

I totally agree....and I think that having all of those guys signed and on board will not only be great for the success in years to come, it will also be invaluable in picking up free agents who wish to have a shot in the next few years at a ring.

I think that Sam Madison or anyone else would recognize that difference from a mile away. This is no longer the Chargers org that the Mannings thought it was. There ARE quality players as the foundation for this team and it was wise of AJ to spend the money where he did in that regard. We also have some players who have been under 3 O line coaches in 3 years. These things should be seen coming, much like midseason problems with Fonoti or a lack of depth at O line even though the last 2 years has seen at least 2 free agents and 5 draft picks for the O line. Some of that blame does fall on the geniuses in the front office.

I dont expect perfection from anyone, and I dont need to see anyone fired.....just saying to learn from past mistakes.

As for the cap, your knowledge on the subject dwarfs mine....uncle......but my point is that the Raiders and Broncos start off in horrible shape and end up owing money every year. I never see them go to jail for it or have to skip a season as a result.
This team is close....dont be afraid to pull out all stops for the next 3 years or so.

As I said before, it isnt like you get a prize for being under the cap, but spending all your money and still not getting to the playoffs doesnt make you a genius either.

I think the team, if healthy, could take the Super Bowl as they stand right now....pre draft and pre free agents. However, I would still choose to exhaust all options (well, not TO options or anything) to do whatever I could to get this team to the promised land.

The team is close....They match up VERY well with the team that won the Super Bowl this year. Draft well and open up the purse strings in FA...we should all be enjoying a much longer season next season IMO.
What the Raiders and Broncos are forced to do every year is have a double-digit turnover in personnel. The Donks finally got their d-line rotation "right" in 2005, and what do they have to do? Release Trevor Pryce and Courtney Brown. Instead of continuity, it's another year of trying to throw together the "right mix".

As for the Raiders, they don't have high priced (and integral part) vets like Pryce and Brown to cut in order to get under the cap. Young players that they want to keep will have to go. My analogy is the continuous refinancing of your house and using the equity to "finance" your current expenditures that are beyond their means.

The Raiders have reached that point - it's going to be ugly. The Broncos are going to have to get rid of players they want and may make a desparate "hail mary" at grabbing a ring: signing T.O. to a contract. That's a one year "all or nothing" venture. Then the Donks (just like the 49ers, the Cowboys, and all the others before them) will suffer from the recession.

Finally, I agree the team is very close. Use free agency and the draft wisely to fill their biggest needs (IMO o-line, ILB and safety) and they'll be competing for rings over the next half-decade. :Beer:

[wikimama]

Find one free agent that is a better corner than Madison? Woodson stinks i don't want to hear that stuff, he is always injured and has a terrible additude. Woodson lives off of what of he did in college. Clements from Buffalo is good but he will be franchised. Also what happend to him against the bolts? He didn't look good when he got burn't by Parker and the Bolts by 50! How many TDs were caught on Madison against the Bolts? How many bolt recievers did well against Madison? What team won?

Also no free agent can have as big of an impact on Jam,D'flo,SDiddy than Madison. Look at what he did for Surtain and Fletcher. Also he isn't washed up, he is outplaying the youngsters(Pro Bowl Alternate)

[JoeMcRugby]

Find one free agent that is a better corner than Madison? Woodson stinks i don't want to hear that stuff, he is always injured and has a terrible additude. Woodson lives off of what of he did in college. Clements from Buffalo is good but he will be franchised. Also what happend to him against the bolts? He didn't look good when he got burn't by Parker and the Bolts by 50! How many TDs were caught on Madison against the Bolts? How many bolt recievers did well against Madison? What team won?

Also no free agent can have as big of an impact on Jam,D'flo,SDiddy than Madison. Look at what he did for Surtain and Fletcher. Also he isn't washed up, he is outplaying the youngsters(Pro Bowl Alternate)
If Madison is a lock for safety, then I agree it would be a good move if they don't give him Brees' money.

Safety is a far more pressing need than CB IMO.

As for "look what he did for Fletcher": :confused:

Make him one of the biggest busts of the 2001 draft? They couldn't get rid of him fast enough in Miami.

[wikimama]

Why move him to safety when he is already a great CB?(4 Pro Bowls) They need just as much help at CB then SS.

Sign Demps or draft a safety in the first 3 rounds. I don't think they are that concerned there because they gave Hart a 3 year deal to compete for the job likely with a rookie stud.(Bing or Simpson)

[wikimama]

Madison or Jam? Madison or Davis? Madison or Woodson? I think i would take Madison because he is a durable vetren stud that the Bolts haven't had since way back when.

[JoeMcRugby]

Why move him to safety when he is already a great CB?(4 Pro Bowls) They need just as much help at CB then SS.

Sign Demps or draft a safety in the first 3 rounds. I don't think they are that concerned there because they gave Hart a 3 year deal to compete for the job likely with a rookie stud.(Bing or Simpson)

Let's see:

trade for Madison (big $$$$$)
Sign Demps (big $$$$$)
trade for Abraham (massive $$$$ for him and an even bigger cap hit for trading PR).

I'm guessing that pretty much takes care of most of the extra cap space.

We'll just have to bring in rooks to address the o-line. They weren't much of a problem in 2006, right?

Prioritites: o-line, safety and ILB.

CB was nowhere near those big holes in the Chargers roster.

[HeadTrip]

Let's see:

trade for Madison (big $$$$$)
Sign Demps (big $$$$$)
trade for Abraham (massive $$$$ for him and an even bigger cap hit for trading PR).

I'm guessing that pretty much takes care of most of the extra cap space.

We'll just have to bring in rooks to address the o-line. They weren't much of a problem in 2006, right?

Prioritites: o-line, safety and ILB.

CB was nowhere near those big holes in the Chargers roster.

I don't think there will be any trading. Madison will likely be cut due to his cap figure. Who know, he might be willing to take a big of a pay cut to play for a SB contending team. He is still a great player, but he is closing in on the end of his career and he has yet to get his ring. I think he is well worth a 4 mill cap hit this year, but if he is signed it would have to be a decending contract because we might be taking a cap hit in future years by trading PR.

[wikimama]

Madison will be cut and Demps will get payed solid $ but not enough to break the bank. His contract will likely be comprable to Jue.

Madison for a short term deal and Demps for reasonable dough is a fairly cheap way to improve the secondary a ton. They have both played for great Ds and are vets.

[JoeMcRugby]

I don't think there will be any trading. Madison will likely be cut due to his cap figure. Who know, he might be willing to take a big of a pay cut to play for a SB contending team. He is still a great player, but he is closing in on the end of his career and he has yet to get his ring. I think he is well worth a 4 mill cap hit this year, but if he is signed it would have to be a decending contract because we might be taking a cap hit in future years by trading PR.

Miami looks as itself being a SB contending team in 2006. If Madison was looking to take a pay cut, he'd stay in Miami IMO.

Like most CB free agents over the past few seasons, he'll be looking for an 8 figure signing bonus. If he doesn't get it, he'll stay in Miami.

Players in the NFL don't take descending contracts. Guys like Madison look for the biggest $$$ in bonuses (the only guaranteed money) with ascending contracts because the only way to make the contract cap effective is to have a minimum contract initially along with the huge prorated signing bonus.

The Bolts won't get Madison on the cheap - if he leaves Miami, he wants maximum $$$.

[wikimama]

Well Madison is worth paying the bucks for a 2-3 year deal and also he has said on several occasions that he doesn't think he will be back and it ahs been writen in many papers. Madison is the CB version Keenan Mccardell.

Solid underrated player that does not have a big ego.

[HeadTrip]

Realisticly, Miami is not a SB contender, or at least, not to the extent that the Chargers will likely be. If he leaves Miami, it is very likely that he would have interest in joining the Chargers. We are a great team with comparable climate and immediate need of his services.

It's all a mute point though. We both know AJ won't overpay him, but he might pay him a little more than any of us expect.

[wikimama]

Why do people not like Madison for a 2-3 year deal? If he is so washed up why is he better than Jammer and Davis and D'flo?

[JoeMcRugby]

Well Madison is worth paying the bucks for a 2-3 year deal and also he has said on several occasions that he doesn't think he will be back and it ahs been writen in many papers. Madison is the CB version Keenan Mccardell.

Solid underrated player that does not have a big ego.

Why in the world will he be released then? :confused:

McCardell was traded because he refused to report due to Gruden's promise that his contract would be renegotiated.

It sounds as if Madison will be released because the Dolphins don't think he's worth the money he's scheduled to be paid.

[wikimama]

They are going to ask him to take a pay cut and he said he will not accept it and wants to get released.

[JoeMcRugby]

They are going to ask him to take a pay cut and he said he will not accept it and wants to get released.

So the Dolphins don't think he's worth the money he's scheduled to be paid, right?

[wikimama]

Similar situation as Mccardell, both solid vets that won't take a major pay cut that want to win a ring.

[wikimama]

Yeah, they like this Daniels guy that Saben coached at LSU so they don't want to keep a nickel for that much. Also Will Poole will be back and he had a good rookie year, basically the fins have good young talent that they want to get experience for. The Bolts have crappy young CBs thye haven't gotten that much better partly because they dont' have a vet to teach them.

[JoeMcRugby]

Similar situation as Mccardell, both solid vets that won't take a major pay cut that want to win a ring.

They're totally opposite situations, wikimama.

McCardell and Tampa wasn't about a paycut. It was about TB's refusal to give McCardell a raise that led to his holdout and departure. And McCardell just won a ring before he went on his holdout.

As for Madison: If he doesn't want a paycut from the Dolphins, why in the world would he take one elsewhere? It's all about who offers Madison the most bling. For a 32 year old CB, this is his last opportunity at a big payday.

If it comes down like Ty Law last year with no one stepping up and offering Madison what he believes he's worth for a few months, then I could see the Chargers getting him for a lowball figure. But if it's a matter of bidding against other teams and dumping a Brinks truck at his feet, I'd say no way. If AJ and Ed McGuire are going to dump the contents of a Brinks truck at any free agent's feet, it better be at the feet of an established OLT. :)

[Ikeman83]

Why in the world will he be released then? :confused:

McCardell was traded because he refused to report due to Gruden's promise that his contract would be renegotiated.

It sounds as if Madison will be released because the Dolphins don't think he's worth the money he's scheduled to be paid.

The Dolphins are also projected to be around 5 Mil over the cap this year, Joe. They need to restructure some contracts to make it and to be able to sign their #16 pick, along with getting any FAs. I'm not saying you're wrong, but if Madison is getting paid salary and his release would free up a decent amount of cap room (3 Mil or more would be what I think it would take for this to appy), then that could be the reason Miami would release him.

Rodney got cut for a similar reason if I recall, and he was certainly worth hanging on to. As far as getting him, like I said earlier, he's not worth 6 mil to the Chargers, but we might be worth a ring to him. Miami doesn't have the Superbowl chances we do. Can you honestly say that, barring major injuries to starters (like what happened to LT in the Raider game the week before we played Miami) you can see Miami beating Indy, SD, Pitt, Cincy, or NE?

I think Madison has a better chance of getting a SuperBowl Ring the way Vladimir Putin did than with the Dolphins.

[CBO]

I am not going to try to predict what Maddison is going to be looking for in a new deal if/when he gets released. IMO I would like to have the guy in our secondary for the next 2-3 years at a decent price 2-4mil per year. I think he would be an improvement over DFLo and bring some leadership to our young guys.

[JoeMcRugby]

The Dolphins are also projected to be around 5 Mil over the cap this year, Joe. They need to restructure some contracts to make it and to be able to sign their #16 pick, along with getting any FAs. I'm not saying you're wrong, but if Madison is getting paid salary and his release would free up a decent amount of cap room (3 Mil or more would be what I think it would take for this to appy), then that could be the reason Miami would release him.

Rodney got cut for a similar reason if I recall, and he was certainly worth hanging on to. As far as getting him, like I said earlier, he's not worth 6 mil to the Chargers, but we might be worth a ring to him. Miami doesn't have the Superbowl chances we do. Can you honestly say that, barring major injuries to starters (like what happened to LT in the Raider game the week before we played Miami) you can see Miami beating Indy, SD, Pitt, Cincy, or NE?

I think Madison has a better chance of getting a SuperBowl Ring the way Vladimir Putin did than with the Dolphins.
$5 million over the cap is peanuts in terms of NFL teams. The Fins can clear $4.28 million in cap space by getting rid of the "indispensible" Damion McIntosh. McIntosh or Madison - Madison or McIntosh?? Tough decision. ;)

His refusal to restructure makes me believe that Madison thinks that on the open market, he is worth whatever money his current contract calls for. If not, he'd restructure. He's looking for the last big payday of his career. After all, he saw the mad money that was thrown at CBs last March. 8 figure bonuses to all of the players of Madison's stature.

Madison Interested In Falcons, Chiefs... (http://www.finheaven.com/news/2966/)
Posted on: 2006-01-15
[Miami Herald (http://www.finheaven.com/links/outgoing.php?LID=140&URL=http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/13631299.htm)] Miami has been noncommittal with Sam Madison about next season, and he expects to be elsewhere.

If he's released, there is word that Madison would be interested in Atlanta or joining Patrick Surtain in Kansas City. The Dolphins are expected to shop him for a trade before even considering just releasing him.

http://www.finheaven.com/news_pg/5/

As for the Fins' future: same record as the Chargers this past season and they were on a big time roll to end the 2005 season after buying into Saban's system. They're a QB away from being a legitimate playoff team for the foreseeable future.

As for Rodney, his contract wasn't nowhere near the level of Madison's. He got released because he was injured the last two years with the Bolts and was getting fined constantly and getting suspended by the NFL - it was an escalating process as his last year went on. Chargers management thought he couldn't get healthy and change his ways. Management was wrong. :(

[wikimama]

So Joe you would rather have Davis and Jammer get burn't again this season and not learn a thing? They are the worst team against the pass for the past few years. They need as much vetran leadership and pro bowl talent as possible, for the right amount of years(2-3). You are a certified Sam Madison hater.

[wikimama]

Were all wrong you are right, were sorry.

[JoeMcRugby]

So Joe you would rather have Davis and Jammer get burn't again this season and not learn a thing? They are the worst team against the pass for the past few years. They need as much vetran leadership and pro bowl talent as possible, for the right amount of years(2-3). You are a certified Sam Madison hater.
Jammer played extremely well over the last half of the 2005 season. Davis doesn't start.

As for Madison, I'm not a "hater". I really don't care so much one way or another about him.

What I don't see is paying Madison a huge contract that he's obviously looking for next month. If he's not willing to come off of his $6 million contract with the Dolphins, I don't see him signing on the cheap with the Chargers. If he's willing to come in on the cheap, then welcome to the Chargers, Sam!! :)

Any big money going to a free agent, I want it to go to a LOT. What I'd really like to see is the Chargers being able to use the best player in football in big games instead of making him a spectator due to the inability to get him to the line of scrimmage before he gets hit.

They're just my priorities, Wiki. CB is number four on my list.

If you want to see improvement in pass defense, bring in a new strong safety and insert a better pass covering ILB and the pass coverage troubles dissipate greatly. :Bolt:

[BoltsfanNYC]

you go Joe! OLT-S my 1-2 solutions...

[loweezy]

donnie is generally good in coverage... but did fairly poor this year in my opinion.... and even with the improvement in our passrush, our secondary still was our weakspot on defense... i believe safety is where the problem lies... i'm fine with jammer and florence... but i definitely think madison would be an improvement for the seconary in more ways than one... but i definitely don't want to shell out the big bucks to get him..

the chargers success relies on the o line. how many times have teams expected the run and stacked it successfully against us forcing us to give the ball back to the opposition only to watch them torch our secondary... it all starts with the O LINE! there is no way LT should have 7 yards rushing in a game... (see philadelphia)

[wikimama]

Well they are my top 2 options as well but they still could use a guy like Madison for 2-3 years.

[Mr. Heisman]

No on madison! Charles Woodson if not Nate Clemans! from bufflo!

[LTfan4life]

No on madison! Charles Woodson


I see Woodson as the John Abraham of hs position. If he was healthy, he could be a Hall of Fame type of player. But C-Wood's injured just as much as Abraham, which is why he'll be behind Madison and Clements on the open market. That is, if Madison is cut before his roster bonus is due...

[wikimama]

Woodson stinks when he is healthy, He has had 7 INTS in five years. Abraham had 10.5 sacks last season.

[baddass4444]

What do you guys think of trading Hardwick or Olivia and Jerry Wilson for Sam Madison.

It could be logically:
Dolphins new O-Line coach (ex-Charger O-Line coach) wants Olivia and/or Hardwick and we really don't need Jerry Wilson anymore, but the Dolphins will be losing Shulters.

What do you guys think??

[CBO]

Joe,

When players say that they will not take less money it is usualy because they feel that there current team is disrespecting them by cutting there pay. They feel that it is OK to ask for more money when they have a good year but are offended when there teams ask them to restructure there pay when they have had a bad year. If they dont restructure then they get cut. They usualy go to another team for less money just to prove to the previous team that they can still play. I think the same will happen with Maddison and he will make less than his $6.2mil with another team.

[JoeMcRugby]

Joe,

When players say that they will not take less money it is usualy because they feel that there current team is disrespecting them by cutting there pay. They feel that it is OK to ask for more money when they have a good year but are offended when there teams ask them to restructure there pay when they have had a bad year. If they dont restructure then they get cut. They usualy go to another team for less money just to prove to the previous team that they can still play. I think the same will happen with Maddison and he will make less than his $6.2mil with another team.

For salary in 2006? Yes.

For the long-term deal he's looking for after witnessing the bonanza that top-tier CBs raked in during last year's March sweepstakes? I don't see him taking a discount on his last shot at a big dollar contract.

My guess is he'll be looking for an 8 figure signing bonus big $$ contract like his buddy Patrick Surtain pulled in from the Chiefs in the trade with the Dolphins last offseason.

[RAWDOGG]

Trade Davis straight up for Maddison......

Works for me!

[baddass4444]

i believe Davis is a free agent, so that wouldn't work.

[RAWDOGG]

i believe Davis is a free agent, so that wouldn't work.

Unfortunately he's not, he just sux!

[Ikeman83]

It would be awesome if the Dolphins would take a straight trade of Davis for Maddison. Davis just never lived up to his potential. Too bad the Fins would never do it.

[RAWDOGG]

It would be awesome if the Dolphins would take a straight trade of Davis for Maddison. Davis just never lived up to his potential. Too bad the Fins would never do it.

Wish fulll thinking http://forums.chargers.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[TJ21]

It would be awesome if the Dolphins would take a straight trade of Davis for Maddison. Davis just never lived up to his potential. Too bad the Fins would never do it.
Forget the trade. They can have Davis. The way he's played, he's just another body on the field, he has no visible talent.

[ChampCharger]

What do you guys think of trading Hardwick or Olivia and Jerry Wilson for Sam Madison.

It could be logically:
Dolphins new O-Line coach (ex-Charger O-Line coach) wants Olivia and/or Hardwick and we really don't need Jerry Wilson anymore, but the Dolphins will be losing Shulters.

What do you guys think??

I love that package. That way those young O-Lineman aren't hurt when we sign and use high draft picks on lineman at their positions. I only like it though if we sign Bentley or Hutchinson...A Star Caliber guy.

[Ikeman83]

I love that package. That way those young O-Lineman aren't hurt when we sign and use high draft picks on lineman at their positions. I only like it though if we sign Bentley or Hutchinson...A Star Caliber guy.

I would be furious. Sam Madison has 2-3 years left in his career. Nick and Shane have around another 10-12 years minimum barring injury left to improve. I would rather put together an all-pro O-line like Fouts used to have by coaching these guys to their potential than get Madison.

[ChampCharger]

I would be furious. Sam Madison has 2-3 years left in his career. Nick and Shane have around another 10-12 years minimum barring injury left to improve. I would rather put together an all-pro O-line like Fouts used to have by coaching these guys to their potential than get Madison.

I want to win now. I can't wait for these guys to learn their position that could take years...years that we probably don't have.

In your opinion what was our weak spots on the O-Line?

[SuperBowlBolts]

I want to win now. I can't wait for these guys to learn their position that could take years...years that we probably don't have.

In your opinion what was our weak spots on the O-Line?
Our tackles. Oben is solid but he is old, and is a question mark due to his injury. Jordan is no LT. But he can possibly play RT. Olivea is an avg. or a little above avg. RT. Olivea should be moved to Gaurd where he would be a better fit. Our Center Nick Hardwick is fine, he just has to gain some weight and get stronger in the process. Dielmen is athletic, but he still in the process of learning, I give him some slack because he hasnt gotten the chance to start until now. Goff is a solid Gaurd but isnt all that athletic. I would like a line something like this
LT: Oben/FA pick up
LG: Dielmen/Goff/Bently
C: Hardwick
RG: Olivea
RT: Rookie who is being groomed into a LT or Leander Jordan.

[Ikeman83]

Champ,
It depends on what you're talking about. For pass protection, it was clearly LT. For run blocking, it was on the interior line. (both in terms of a lack of pulling ability and for power running)

I think that getting a good pass blocking LT in FA, moving Shane inside, and drafting a RT would solve our problems. Pretty much, our interior line has to start knocking the defense back instead of getting abused at the line of scrimmage.

Not being able to pull the guards well really limits your rushing attack and reduces the potential of slashing RBs like LT.

[LT_Raiderkiller]

THis all depends on the kind of money Madison wants. He already has said he will not take a paycut in miami, which doesn't worry me too much but he may ask for a lot.

Besides, how did he do this season in terms of coverage? I SEE U GOT A PICTURE OF BAD DUDES ON UR PROFILE DAMMN THATS A CLASSIC GAME.

[SD.LIGHTSOUT]

keep it how it is. i just registered and i hadnt heard of this but i think jammer and florance should start until cromartie learns a bit more than start jammer and cromartie. i like those 2. they both have good size bodies for corners and arent scared 2 hit. madison would b great but lose one of O-lineman that would just b crazy. keep it how it is and wait another year for cromartie hes gonna b GREAT!

[Chargeroo]

This thread is old and out of date. If the Chargers had any interest in Madison, it was during the last free agent period. Time to close the thread.