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RIPgriggs
02-09-2006, 11:03 AM
i see on this scout.com there there is a free agent that SD cant get signed.... and that martin.. isisnt he the WR in eroupe who tore it up? is he going to be looking to play in san diego next year?
I think they are talking about Fletcher as the one they can not sign
RIPgriggs
02-09-2006, 11:14 AM
damn the corner back? from the dolphins? who learned everything from the best to CB in the game surtain and madison? DAMN i really like that guy and they way he makes plays at the right time. i hope he dont bounce.
yodafro
02-09-2006, 11:32 AM
I was thinking Ben Leber.
dewaynesworld63
02-09-2006, 11:43 AM
Unfortunately, I cannot put up a new thread ( due to new member restricitions) but Dino Costa here in Denver is saying that the Jets and Chargers are very close to announcing a trade. Abe for P. Rivers straight up... Just thought you bolt fans might want to know and express your thoughts. I am a Jet fan in the minority but I am all for this especially with Schottenheimer jr. in NY now.
SuperMatt
02-09-2006, 11:45 AM
Unfortunately, I cannot put up a new thread ( due to new member restricitions) but Dino Costa here in Denver is saying that the Jets and Chargers are very close to announcing a trade. Abe for P. Rivers straight up... Just thought you bolt fans might want to know and express your thoughts. I am a Jet fan in the minority but I am all for this especially with Schottenheimer jr. in NY now.
Why would the Chargers make this move? Where would Abraham play? It doesn't make sense and has been discussed to the death in another thread.
HeadTrip
02-09-2006, 11:58 AM
Why would the Chargers make this move? Where would Abraham play? It doesn't make sense and has been discussed to the death in another thread.
Exactly. I think your source is very wrong. Economicly, it makes absolutely no sense to trade PR with the monster cap hit, plus Abraham is going to want a giant contract. That would blow all of our cap space on one move for a player that doesn't fit in with what we are trying to do. It isn't happening.
HighBoltage
02-09-2006, 12:01 PM
Unfortunately, I cannot put up a new thread ( due to new member restricitions) but Dino Costa here in Denver is saying that the Jets and Chargers are very close to announcing a trade. Abe for P. Rivers straight up... Just thought you bolt fans might want to know and express your thoughts. I am a Jet fan in the minority but I am all for this especially with Schottenheimer jr. in NY now.
Sounds like reporter spin to me. They're just trying to stir things up as usual.
getfresh
02-09-2006, 12:18 PM
No way AJ makes that trade. Abraham does NOT fit anywhere in our 3-4.
And back on topic: Anybody with scout.com access care to post the article or a summary or a name?
yodafro
02-09-2006, 12:37 PM
AJ has repeatedly stated that Rivers is going nowhere. Especially with Brees injured. The Chargers have invested too much guaranteed money in Rivers allready. Abraham has proven to be a great player but he's looking for serious money. The Chargers don't need a Defensive End as much as the Jets need a Quarterback. No way there is a trade unless the Jets are willing to give up some draft picks.
Here's a link to the "rumor" source.
Link... (http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1139292614267780.xml&coll=1)
Jets may again slap Abraham with franchise tag
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 BY DAVE HUTCHINSON
Star-Ledger Staff
The Jets and the representatives for three-time Pro Bowl defensive end John Abraham have had no discussions on a long-term deal since the season ended and it appears the club will place the franchise tag on him for a second consecutive season, according to someone with knowledge of the situation.
Such a move likely would make for a tense relationship between the club and Abraham next season, especially after GM Terry Bradway said last August he would attempt to sign Abraham to a long-term deal if the player stayed healthy and was productive over an entire 16-game schedule.
"We've said all along that we want John here for a long time, and that's something we'll work on," Bradway said when Abraham reported to training camp on Aug. 29 after refusing to sign his one-year, $6.67 million franchise tender offer until then.
The one-year, franchise tender offer for a defensive end this season is $8.3 million. Clubs can place the franchise tag on players from Feb. 9 through Feb. 23. Should the Jets put the tag on Abraham, they will have paid him nearly $15 million over two years without having a long-term deal.
Abraham's agents, Tony Agnone and Rich Rosa, were unavailable for comment yesterday. Bradway doesn't discuss contract matters.
"The Jets said they would take care of John if he stayed healthy but there have been no talks," said the person. "John's camp feels that the Jets have lied to him and it's personal. They feel Terry Bradway and (assistant GM) Mike Tannenbaum just don't like John. They didn't draft him, and they just don't think he's a great player and they don't want to pay him.
"Plus, they have all that money tied up into Chad Pennington ($22 million over the past two seasons) and he may not even pass his physical this spring. Now, they're scared to pay John."
Last season, Abraham had 70 tackles, 10 1/2 sacks, six forced fumbles (all on quarterback strips) and one fumble recovery.
He played in nearly 85 percent of the defensive snaps and improved his play against the run after bulking up to 265 pounds.
Entering last season, Abraham hadn't played an entire 16-game schedule since 2002 and the Jets used that as leverage in not signing him to a long-term deal.
Signing Abraham to a long-term deal would figure to be a priority for new head coach Eric Mangini, who is expected to employ a base 3-4 defense with the flexibility of using multiple fronts.
Abraham said last season that he would skip training camp again if the Jets put the franchise tag on him and he wouldn't be happy when he reported.
If the Jets slap Abraham with the franchise tag, they may try to trade him and one destination could be San Diego in a deal for quarterback Philip Rivers, especially with former Chargers quarterback coach Brian Schottenheimer having been hired as the Jets new offensive coordinator.
I'd do it for Rivers and swap 1 round draft picks
BoltsaremyGod
02-09-2006, 01:36 PM
Unfortunately, I cannot put up a new thread ( due to new member restricitions) but Dino Costa here in Denver is saying that the Jets and Chargers are very close to announcing a trade. Abe for P. Rivers straight up... Just thought you bolt fans might want to know and express your thoughts. I am a Jet fan in the minority but I am all for this especially with Schottenheimer jr. in NY now.
...And a week ago Godfrey was signing a one year contract with the Cowboys and retiring and there were 50 posts discussing who his replacement should be. Please don't believe everything you read.
rammerjammer
02-09-2006, 02:26 PM
...And a week ago Godfrey was signing a one year contract with the Cowboys and retiring and there were 50 posts discussing who his replacement should be. Please don't believe everything you read.
I heard we were trading both Godfrey and PR for Abraham because PR is demanding to start and Godfrey thought it would be cool to retire as a member of the Vinny and the Jets team because he has always been an Elton John fan. :p
Ikeman83
02-09-2006, 02:52 PM
I heard Rivers is growing a second body out of his shoulder like Ash in the "Evil Dead" series and that we're going to trade the "Evil Rivers" to the Jets while hanging onto the "Good Rivers". This development is cutting the cost of moving Rivers in half, while allowing the Bolts to get NY's 1st rounder and Abraham, who they plan to use as trade bait for Bigfoot to come down from the CFL.
Says Evil Rivers, "You'll never get the Necronomicon!"
Podium
02-09-2006, 02:53 PM
I heard Rivers is growing a second body out of his shoulder like Ash in the "Evil Dead" series and that we're going to trade the "Evil Rivers" to the Jets while hanging onto the "Good Rivers". This development is cutting the cost of moving Rivers in half, while allowing the Bolts to get NY's 1st rounder and Abraham, who they plan to use as trade bait for Bigfoot to come down from the CFL.
Says Evil Rivers, "You'll never get the Necronomicon!"
man, that had me laughing. good job Ike
ftwbolt
02-09-2006, 03:39 PM
i see on this scout.com there there is a free agent that SD cant get signed.... and that martin.. isisnt he the WR in eroupe who tore it up? is he going to be looking to play in san diego next year?
According to scout.com, its Jamar Fletcher and he thinks he's worth more money than what the Bolts are offering him.
The article also say the Chargers are enamored with hybrid players that will go in the 1st round that could double as CB and Safety's, Michael Huff from Texas and Ko Simpson from South Carolina.
Moving ahead without Fletcher, there may be no other option than to look at the draft.
yodafro
02-09-2006, 04:22 PM
You don't think the UFA might be Leber?
bigbolthead21
02-09-2006, 04:34 PM
its jamar fletcher, i posted it a few days ago.
http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=28556
yodafro
02-09-2006, 08:54 PM
Priority
#1 O-line
#2 Secondary
Dago81Sd
02-10-2006, 11:06 AM
Unfortunately, I cannot put up a new thread ( due to new member restricitions) but Dino Costa here in Denver is saying that the Jets and Chargers are very close to announcing a trade. Abe for P. Rivers straight up... Just thought you bolt fans might want to know and express your thoughts. I am a Jet fan in the minority but I am all for this especially with Schottenheimer jr. in NY now.
PR isn't going anywhere especially for some defense end that doesn't even fit within the system.
Dago81Sd
02-10-2006, 11:07 AM
Priority
#1 O-line
#2 Secondary
Seconded. :Beer:
SDBoltz
02-10-2006, 11:17 AM
Motion granted! O-line and secondary it is.
phenomkart35
02-10-2006, 11:21 AM
_Drew Drew Drew _________________
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LaDeezie21
02-10-2006, 11:22 AM
Exactly. I think your source is very wrong. Economicly, it makes absolutely no sense to trade PR with the monster cap hit, plus Abraham is going to want a giant contract. That would blow all of our cap space on one move for a player that doesn't fit in with what we are trying to do. It isn't happening.
I thought that we had given Rivers a lot of his money already.
Dago81Sd
02-10-2006, 11:24 AM
The contract its self is usually backloaded while the "signing bonuses" are upfront.
SDBoltz
02-10-2006, 11:42 AM
Where do people find PR's contract info? Is Joe the only source we have for this info? I would like to do the math myself.
Dago81Sd
02-10-2006, 01:09 PM
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=R&player=3517
2004 - 8,955,000
2005 - 2.9
So, as of now, the Chargers have already dished out around 12 million on PR, while his total salary is around $29 million. (http://contests.sportsbuff.com/football/salaries.asp) (http://contests.sportsbuff.com/football/salaries.asp%29)
So, its fair to say his remaining salary is around 2.5 - 3 million a year.
SDBoltz
02-10-2006, 01:20 PM
2004 Salray - http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=R&player=3517 Thanks! :Beer:
Thunderstruck21
02-11-2006, 01:54 AM
how come everyone says PR for abraham, it seems PR for Vilma would make more sense. Vilma is younger, an ILB, and he could rotate with donnie or godfrey depending on down and distance. Seems more logical to me
How about Rivers stays here and we use our extremely good cap room to sign top notch players ourselves?
Ikeman83
02-11-2006, 09:27 AM
how come everyone says PR for abraham, it seems PR for Vilma would make more sense. Vilma is younger, an ILB, and he could rotate with donnie or godfrey depending on down and distance. Seems more logical to me
It's because Jets fans are saying it, instead of Chargers fans. The Jets don't want to hang on to Abraham and deal with his cap number, and they need a QB.
Basically they're trying to unload their garbage on us in exchange for our best trade item.
It's because Jets fans are saying it, instead of Chargers fans. The Jets don't want to hang on to Abraham and deal with his cap number, and they need a QB.
Basically they're trying to unload their garbage on us in exchange for our best trade item.
Well said Ikeman. But according to AJ, PR is about as likely a trade item as LT.
Ikeman83
02-11-2006, 09:33 AM
Well said Ikeman. But according to AJ, PR is about as likely a trade item as LT.
Oh, definitely. If Brees's recovery was guaranteed we'd be looking at a much different situation... unfortunately we're not, and it isn't worth gambling. Hopefully Drew comes back better than 100% in that arm.
Oh, definitely. If Brees's recovery was guaranteed we'd be looking at a much different situation... unfortunately we're not, and it isn't worth gambling. Hopefully Drew comes back better than 100% in that arm.
I agree! But even when Drew does heal, I think its always good to have a great backup, you never know when, if ever, Drew might get hurt again. I have a feeling Phil is going to be here at least until his contract runs out.
Ikeman83
02-11-2006, 09:54 AM
maybe... Feely might be a better backup because of his experience. I don't know that Rivers is a great backup QB. I think he has the potential to be a franchise QB, but he doesn't have the experience level to be considered a great backup, specifically.
maybe... Feely might be a better backup because of his experience. I don't know that Rivers is a great backup QB. I think he has the potential to be a franchise QB, but he doesn't have the experience level to be considered a great backup, specifically.
Well, I'd say he's eager to get out there, he's talented and has good physical attributes (size) but its his lack of experience that might hurt him if he has to throw the helmet on all of a sudden.
Ikeman83
02-11-2006, 10:02 AM
Well, I'd say he's eager to get out there, he's talented and has good physical attributes (size) but its his lack of experience that might hurt him if he has to throw the helmet on all of a sudden.
That's what I was referring to.
maxiee
02-11-2006, 10:52 AM
Just out of curiosity, what happens when Drew, PR, and Felley all get inhured and are unable to play. Is LT our 4th string QB?
Ikeman83
02-11-2006, 11:54 AM
Yes, I believe LT is the 4th string QB. I know that Mike Scifres is NOT the 4th string QB.
bolts4ever21
02-14-2006, 01:59 PM
Only way that trade happens.... never. Yeah some say Abrahams doesn't fit in our defense. But believe me, whenever you can get an impact player... somewhat... you will find a way to make it fit. But Abrahams will only be a Charger is we can get him for a song and dance. And I don't think AJ can sing.
JoeMcRugby
02-14-2006, 02:04 PM
Only way that trade happens.... never. Yeah some say Abrahams doesn't fit in our defense. But believe me, whenever you can get an impact player... somewhat... you will find a way to make it fit. But Abrahams will only be a Charger is we can get him for a song and dance. And I don't think AJ can sing.
No reason to spend outrageous dollars on a guy who will have to go back 7 years to a position he last played in college, bench either Merriman or Foley, and sit Shaun Phillips deep on the bench.
This would be as likely as the Chargers grabbing an expensive impact RB like Shaun Alexander this offseason.