Rivers for 1st and 2nd round

[RIPgriggs]

Brian Schottenheimer knows how good Rivers is, could he convince the jets in tradeding there 1st round and posibbly second round pick for a guy like rivers.. considering there are no QB's in the draft at pick #4 (jets got pick #4) Dbricknshaw ferguerson sounds good at pick # 4 then a FS or a WR at #19... then posibbly 2 2nd round picks also?

am i dreaming here?

[Podium]

Brian Schottenheimer knows how good Rivers is, could he convince the jets in tradeding there 1st round and posibbly second round pick for a guy like rivers.. considering there are no QB's in the draft at pick #4 (jets got pick #4) Dbricknshaw ferguerson sounds good at pick # 4 then a FS or a WR at #19... then posibbly 2 2nd round picks also?

am i dreaming here?

Jay Cutler

[ChampCharger]

I am becoming more and more convinced that Brian Schottenheimer wants to bring Rivers with him to New York. I think everyone's just waiting on Brees' shoulder.

[RIPgriggs]

i want dbrickshaw i would give up rivers for dbrickshaw and a 2nd round to of course =)

[CBO]

I dont think AJ would part with PR to big of a cap hit 10+mil. That is at least half of our Cap room. Then they would still need to sign Brees for another 4-7mil. We would have no Cap left. No Deal. Now he might work a sign and trade with Brees for 2 2nd round picks.

[Sanitation Man]

i want dbrickshaw i would give up rivers for dbrickshaw and a 2nd round to of course =)

No way. It would cost us way too much (against the cap). Besides, let's wait and see what D-Brick does at the combine. Remember, he's under 300lbs. and the D-linemen in the NFL are much stronger and faster than what he's used to.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he'll turn in to one hell of a lineman. But, aren't we looking for now and not later? Get a proven veteran.

[Dojo]

Brian Schottenheimer knows how good Rivers is, could he convince the jets in tradeding there 1st round and posibbly second round pick for a guy like rivers.. considering there are no QB's in the draft at pick #4 (jets got pick #4) Dbricknshaw ferguerson sounds good at pick # 4 then a FS or a WR at #19... then posibbly 2 2nd round picks also?

am i dreaming here?
Sounds like what I was hoping for.

[baddass4444]

Yes this deal would obviously hurt cap wise, however we wouldn't need to goto Free Agency most likely...

Pick D'Brickashaw at #4
Pick Ko Simpson at #19
then with 2nd round picks
Jean-Giles with Jets 2nd round
Jon Scott or best O-Lineman availble

All of the players would be starters except maybe Scott. We really wouldn't need Free Agents all that badly.

[RIPgriggs]

who is ko simpson?

[SuperBowlBolts]

who is ko simpson?
One of the top Safties coming out from the Draft and hes only a sophomore.
Anyway its not as easy as just trading Rivers. We trade him take what a 11 mil cap hit then we sign Brees to a long term deal. Now theres no chance in the world were going to sign anyone in FA after that.

[KYChargersFan21]

Yes trading rivers would make us take a big cap hit and plus brees long term deal and we probably wont hav enough to sign any free agents but imagine if dbrick and simpson both pan out like castillo and merriman did.......we would be back in business again and on our way to a superbowl

[SuperBowlBolts]

Yes trading rivers would make us take a big cap hit and plus brees long term deal and we probably wont hav enough to sign any free agents but imagine if dbrick and simpson both pan out like castillo and merriman did.......we would be back in business again and on our way to a superbowl
all i know is we were spoiled this year by our rookies. I dont think that these coming rookies will live up to what we were given this year. But i can hope!

[KYChargersFan21]

all i know is we were spoiled this year by our rookies. I dont think that these coming rookies will live up to what we

were given this year. But i can hope!

so would u trade rivers for 4th pick for dbrick and then get ko simpson........just imagin tho if they are like merriman and castillo, they mad are run d the best and simpson can make our backfield the best and with dbrick LT gets more yards and Brees has more time,

[LT LT LT]

I think it is a great idea the concern is the cap. With the rivers cap hit and the addition of D brick money can we make it under the cap? Someone must try to do the work maybe i will try but it will take a little while so give me a few days.

[ltinabottle]

Trading Rivers for the top 4 pick to acquire D'Brickshaw sounds tempting. D'Brickshaw once established, would fill a definite need and potentially be the cornerstone of our line for years to come A.J. and his former partner John Butler have done some daring things during the first round e.g. trading the number 1 to Atlanta and picking Eli and trading him for Rivers.

I don't see us completing the trade simply because of the current QB situation. Rivers provides insurance for Brees during his shoulder rehabilitation and A.J. has already said that he will remain on the team next year. If he does pull the trigger, I'd have to say Smith should bring his poker face to Las Vegas.

Go Bolts:Bolt:

[SuperCharger21]

It would be insane to trade Philip Rivers and it's not going to happen. Say you go ahead and trade Rivers. We all know A.J. Feely isn't Tom Brady. So - now Rivers is gone, Feely is your starting QB until Drew recovers. So what happens if Drew comes back and plays as well as Brian Griese when he had the same injury? (If you don't remember, he played terribly) ?? What then? Wait for 2007 to draft another QB again? I'm not even going to go into how badly we'd get killed w/ the cap situation if we traded Rivers. Remember, John Butler drafted Drew Brees, not A.J. Smith. Our CURRENT coach and GM fell in love with Rivers at the senior bowl, remember? If anyone is leaving, it's Drew Brees. Sorry, I know everyone on this board worships Drew, but you have to think of everything involved, not just what you wish would happen.

[SuperBowlBolts]

so would u trade rivers for 4th pick for dbrick and then get ko simpson........just imagin tho if they are like merriman and castillo, they mad are run d the best and simpson can make our backfield the best and with dbrick LT gets more yards and Brees has more time,
I wouldnt trade Rivers just because the cap hit we'd take and Brees injury is a big question mark. If Brees was healthy and if we wouldnt take such a big cap hit from trading Rivers i'd be ok with that trade. Plus if anyone were to be traded sadly it would be Brees.

[JoeMcRugby]

It would be insane to trade Philip Rivers and it's not going to happen. Say you go ahead and trade Rivers. We all know A.J. Feely isn't Tom Brady. So - now Rivers is gone, Feely is your starting QB until Drew recovers. So what happens if Drew comes back and plays as well as Brian Griese when he had the same injury? (If you don't remember, he played terribly) ?? What then? Wait for 2007 to draft another QB again? I'm not even going to go into how badly we'd get killed w/ the cap situation if we traded Rivers. Remember, John Butler drafted Drew Brees, not A.J. Smith. Our CURRENT coach and GM fell in love with Rivers at the senior bowl, remember? If anyone is leaving, it's Drew Brees. Sorry, I know everyone on this board worships Drew, but you have to think of everything involved, not just what you wish would happen.

Something else to consider: Butler's right hand man and director of scouting was heavily involved in the drafting of Brees. ;)

But I agree with you: as AJ has said many times, PR is going nowhere unless someone knocks him out with an offer - and I don't see that happening in 2006.

[Ikeman83]

The only way I can see this happening would be if PR agreed to give back his signing bonus in exchange for the trade. Rivers might want to be a starting QB bad enough to give back the balance on his bonus and take a contract from the Jets, but I doubt it. The thing is, they can do this trade as late as the day of the draft, so Drew's shoulder would be more of a known quantity.

[JoeMcRugby]

The only way I can see this happening would be if PR agreed to give back his signing bonus in exchange for the trade. Rivers might want to be a starting QB bad enough to give back the balance on his bonus and take a contract from the Jets, but I doubt it. The thing is, they can do this trade as late as the day of the draft, so Drew's shoulder would be more of a known quantity.
And even if that happened: Forget Abraham. We want their first round pick (and more).

As for trading Abraham: It couldn't be done on draft day. The Jets, who will franchise tag Abraham, will need to move him by March 15th. But that won't matter because AJ won't have any interest in Abraham who is looking for an LT-like contract.

PR giving back money (IF it's allowed for a traded player to do it - I'm still unclear if that will "retrieve" cap space) and being traded for their fourth pick in the draft (or more) could conceivably be done on draft day as you've suggested.

[Ikeman83]

And even if that happened: Forget Abraham. We want their first round pick (and more).

As for trading Abraham: It couldn't be done on draft day. The Jets, who will franchise tag Abraham, will need to move him by March 15th. But that won't matter because AJ won't have any interest in Abraham who is looking for an LT-like contract.

PR giving back money (IF it's allowed for a traded player to do it - I'm still unclear if that will "retrieve" cap space) and being traded for their fourth pick in the draft (or more) could conceivably be done on draft day as you've suggested.

Totally, I was talking about doing it for the Jets 1st and 2nd rounders.

That would be something, we would have gotten Merriman, Kaeding, Oben, Phillips, D'Brick and possibly another player all off the Eli trade. Now that would be excellent work by the Front Office.

[laschwa]

let's for one second assume rivers was to be traded:

can a team give abraham (just because that seems to be the discussion) a contract for let's say 6 years and $50,000 but have much of it as a signing bonus that the jets pay - then they trade him for rivers?

that way SD gets a low salary/low cap hit on abraham to offset the cap hit of trading rivers?

i'm sure there must be some rule against it because that be too simple.

btw - why do we want abraham? we need Oline and secondary.

[Ikeman83]

let's for one second assume rivers was to be traded:

can a team give abraham (just because that seems to be the discussion) a contract for let's say 6 years and $50,000 but have much of it as a signing bonus that the jets pay - then they trade him for rivers?

that way SD gets a low salary/low cap hit on abraham to offset the cap hit of trading rivers?

i'm sure there must be some rule against it because that be too simple.

btw - why do we want abraham? we need Oline and secondary.

There is absolutely no way that a signing bonus situation like that would ever happen (because the Jets are in a bad cap position right now and can't afford anymore dead cap space).

Second, there is no way for the salary you talked about to happen because there are league minimums for salary per year based on how long a player has been in the league. I think the minimum for a six year vet (like Abraham) is around 600 K a year.

Third, Abraham would do nothing for our team. We'd be better off signing a rugby player at half of Abraham's salary because at least they know how to catch and are tough enough to avoid missing games due to injury. We play the 3-4 allignment, which requires very different player types than the 4-3.

NOTE: I'm not sure about the exact figure, but I know it's around 600 K, please don't crucify me if it's only 300 K, the point is that it's significantly more than 50K.

NOTE 2: I'm not inclined to trade Rivers at all unless we can get him to give back his salary and it's looking like Drew is for sure going to be back and able to play at his 2004-2005 level. Drew was injured before in HS (knee) and I think maybe in college too (thought I'm not sure) and I know he worked truly hard to come back after his knee injury. Drew's a tough guy, but while I am clearly a serious fan of DB, I am a Charger fan first, and I don't much care for the thought of an AJ Feeley led offense.

[RIPgriggs]

It would be insane to trade Philip Rivers and it's not going to happen. Say you go ahead and trade Rivers. We all know A.J. Feely isn't Tom Brady. So - now Rivers is gone, Feely is your starting QB until Drew recovers. So what happens if Drew comes back and plays as well as Brian Griese when he had the same injury? (If you don't remember, he played terribly) ?? What then? Wait for 2007 to draft another QB again? I'm not even going to go into how badly we'd get killed w/ the cap situation if we traded Rivers. Remember, John Butler drafted Drew Brees, not A.J. Smith. Our CURRENT coach and GM fell in love with Rivers at the senior bowl, remember? If anyone is leaving, it's Drew Brees. Sorry, I know everyone on this board worships Drew, but you have to think of everything involved, not just what you wish would happen.

Hey your right, i do worship drew and i have alot of faith in him,

THINK THIS - what if drew never had gotten injured. we would be in the situation AJ was working on all year.. too bad marty was trying to get a bonus check for 10 wins and got our starer blindsided by an all pro saftey.

[Ikeman83]

I think everyone is forgetting that while the late John Butler was the GM that drafted Brees, AJ Smith was the director of scouting that likely picked him out. The whole Butler's QB vs Smith's QB holds about as much water as a shot of Jack and is a whole lot harder to swallow.

[CORONA CHARGER]

That Is All Well And Good, But Don't We Need Someone To Stretch The Field With Speed To Go Deep And Keep The Other Defenses Honest. Corona Charger

[BoltsfanNYC]

if we can rework rivers contract he is gone tomorrow!

[JoeMcRugby]

if we can rework rivers contract he is gone tomorrow!

Not with the uncertainty of Brees' shoulder.

And certainly not unless a team gives the Bolts enough in return for him (aka meeting AJ's asking price).

There's no absolutely no reason to "fire sale" PR.

[JoeMcRugby]

That Is All Well And Good, But Don't We Need Someone To Stretch The Field With Speed To Go Deep And Keep The Other Defenses Honest. Corona Charger
Already have him on the roster: Vincent Jackson. :Bolt:

[JoeMcRugby]

Hey your right, i do worship drew and i have alot of faith in him,

THINK THIS - what if drew never had gotten injured. we would be in the situation AJ was working on all year.. too bad marty was trying to get a bonus check for 10 wins and got our starer blindsided by an all pro saftey.

Total bull that is untrue.

Don't take Pro Football Talk's rumormongering as "fact". :rolleyes:

If you're really looking for the truth, why don't you try listening to Steve Scholfield, SD Chargers beat writer who has been writing about the Bolts for 20 years and has access to team management:
________________________________

Smith wanted Schottenheimer to start Philip Rivers and rest other veterans as well. One rumor had Schottenheimer playing the regulars because of a clause in his contract that would give him a bonus for 10 wins. I can tell you that is false.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/01/11/sports/scholfield/23_36_291_10_06.txt

[Brees Fan71786]

I'm a huge brees fan but if i was the GM i'd just go with Rivers and let Brees sign somewhere else. I hate to say it but at this point it seems like if we could get a O line Rivers might do just as well as Brees. there might not be a drop off in production but then again maybe i'm underestimating Drew's resolve to come back as strong as ever.

[promiseland]

Hey your right, i do worship drew and i have alot of faith in him,

THINK THIS - what if drew never had gotten injured. we would be in the situation AJ was working on all year.. too bad marty was trying to get a bonus check for 10 wins and got our starer blindsided by an all pro saftey.


Hasn't this already been proven to be false. If so why do you people keep posting this accusation.

[nflphd]

It would be insane to trade Philip Rivers and it's not going to happen. Say you go ahead and trade Rivers. We all know A.J. Feely isn't Tom Brady. So - now Rivers is gone, Feely is your starting QB until Drew recovers. So what happens if Drew comes back and plays as well as Brian Griese when he had the same injury? (If you don't remember, he played terribly) ?? What then? Wait for 2007 to draft another QB again? I'm not even going to go into how badly we'd get killed w/ the cap situation if we traded Rivers. Remember, John Butler drafted Drew Brees, not A.J. Smith. Our CURRENT coach and GM fell in love with Rivers at the senior bowl, remember? If anyone is leaving, it's Drew Brees. Sorry, I know everyone on this board worships Drew, but you have to think of everything involved, not just what you wish would happen.

BTW - JB groomed AJ. They are both solid evaluators of talent that come from the same school of thought.

In my opinion, maybe right or wrong, either QB could be traded. Brees could be traded (I don't think that is a good PR or career move for AJ) or Rivers could be traded (for 1st and second round picks). If the Chargers get a starting elite tackle and either another solid safety or lineman with the jets second round pick, I think Rivers will be on the first plane to NYC.

nflphd

[Rivers2Gates]

It would be insane to trade Philip Rivers and it's not going to happen. Say you go ahead and trade Rivers. We all know A.J. Feely isn't Tom Brady. So - now Rivers is gone, Feely is your starting QB until Drew recovers. So what happens if Drew comes back and plays as well as Brian Griese when he had the same injury? (If you don't remember, he played terribly) ?? What then? Wait for 2007 to draft another QB again? I'm not even going to go into how badly we'd get killed w/ the cap situation if we traded Rivers. Remember, John Butler drafted Drew Brees, not A.J. Smith. Our CURRENT coach and GM fell in love with Rivers at the senior bowl, remember? If anyone is leaving, it's Drew Brees. Sorry, I know everyone on this board worships Drew, but you have to think of everything involved, not just what you wish would happen.
Yea we worship brees, you sound very educated on evrey single person on this forum :( It may seem that we "worship" brees but that is not the case. We have faith that Bress will make a complete comeback and we back our current starters, (like a TRUE fan should). We feel that Brees has better odds of getting us the trophy in 06 than PR. You brought up brian griese's injury, but kerry collins had the same injury and he is still fine!! Drew will be back and in a CHARGERS uni to get us the CHAMPIONSHIP!!

[JoeMcRugby]

Yea we worship brees, you sound very educated on evrey single person on this forum :( It may seem that we "worship" brees but that is not the case. We have faith that Bress will make a complete comeback and we back our current starters, (like a TRUE fan should). We feel that Brees has better odds of getting us the trophy in 06 than PR. You brought up brian griese's injury, but kerry collins had the same injury and he is still fine!! Drew will be back and in a CHARGERS uni to get us the CHAMPIONSHIP!!

But AJ Smith is paid to think about the unthinkable.

AJ can't rely on faith, backing and feelings in regard to the critical QB position. He has to consider every variable and prepare for every contingency.

Consequently, AJ can't depend on faith, feeling and backing his current starters when looking ahead to the 2006 season.

As AJ has said, PR is going nowhere in 2006 - and for very good reason.

Go Bolts! :Bolt:

[Rivers2Gates]

But AJ Smith is paid to think about the unthinkable.

AJ can't rely on faith, backing and feelings in regard to the critical QB position. He has to consider every variable and prepare for every contingency.

Consequently, AJ can't depend on faith, feeling and backing his current starters when looking ahead to the 2006 season.

As AJ has said, PR is going nowhere in 2006 - and for very good reason.

Go Bolts! :Bolt:
So why dont we just keep them both and let them battle it out during training camp for the starting job?? Why do we HAVE to get rid of one of them?

[JoeMcRugby]

So why dont we just keep them both and let them battle it out during training camp for the starting job?? Why do we HAVE to get rid of one of them?

There's the winning answer!! :Bolt:

[RIPgriggs]

Total bull that is untrue.

Don't take Pro Football Talk's rumormongering as "fact". :rolleyes:

If you're really looking for the truth, why don't you try listening to Steve Scholfield, SD Chargers beat writer who has been writing about the Bolts for 20 years and has access to team management:
________________________________

Smith wanted Schottenheimer to start Philip Rivers and rest other veterans as well. One rumor had Schottenheimer playing the regulars because of a clause in his contract that would give him a bonus for 10 wins. I can tell you that is false.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/01/11/sports/scholfield/23_36_291_10_06.txt


wow, guess i should not belive everything i hear, where can i read more of steve scholfield?