Ty Law had interest in playing for the Chargers this year

[Xien24]

San Diego Union-Tribune(Sun. Feb. 26, 2006):Quote: No Law

The Chargers recently informed the representatives for cornerback Ty Law that they have no interest in the 11-year veteran, who had a career-high 10 interceptions last season with the Jets. Law was said to have a strong interest in joining the team. The Chargers also have no interest in cornerback Charles Woodson.
Are you kidding me?!?!?! How can we not atleast have a Sit down with the guy??

[mtxsound]

San Diego Union-Tribune(Sun. Feb. 26, 2006):Quote: No Law

The Chargers recently informed the representatives for cornerback Ty Law that they have no interest in the 11-year veteran, who had a career-high 10 interceptions last season with the Jets. Law was said to have a strong interest in joining the team. The Chargers also have no interest in cornerback Charles Woodson.

Are you kidding me?!?!?! How can we not atleast have a Sit down with the guy??
Seems assinine to me. But they have to have their reasons. Seems like a "feeling each side out" session would not hurt though.

[dserrano86]

I'm Kinda surprised the Chargers arent interested in him.
With 10 INT's I'd think we would take a shot at Law.

[Boltz2175]

I am speechless....is the whole front office on crack!!! I should've known we would find a way to screw up this free agency too!!! this ticks me off!!! If an awesome corner has high interest in your team at least give him a shot!!!:Football:

[guimcharger]

Maybe they are serious about pursuing Sam Madison or are content with D Flo and Jammer. I know, I would be content with the two if we bring in a Super Star FS.

[Onion Knight]

"IN A.J. YOU TRUST"

Yeah, lets here how "he knows something we dont know" lets see , he has two eyes, two ears , two legs like everybody else.... True he has been in the NFL MGMNT for a long time. Thats his ONLY Plus.. but if you ask me, all the other Management in other industries I have worked in are pretty much middle men who are lazy and full of themselves. Im sure the NFL is different though, right?
How many picks did the SD entire secondary have last year? Not saying Law will repeat that performance, but come on!

EDIT : Chargers pick up B. Jue but wont pick up one of those guys. I am forced to watch Packer games here in WI. you know why Jue didnt play much here? He wasnt too great lets just say. AH but he had "potential" forever "potential" with the chargers it seems......

[Thunderstruck21]

is anyone else as furious as the front office as i am? first they screw up in not signing our star qb, now they arent interested in signing 2 pro bowl cb? A.J. Smith is starting to make me lose faith in this team

[Onion Knight]

is anyone else as furious as the front office as i am? first they screw up in not signing our star qb, now they arent interested in signing 2 pro bowl cb? A.J. Smith is starting to make me lose faith in this team

why would you possibly furious with the front office? look at the "potential" of his decisions.

[mtxsound]

Even though I am not sold on Ty Law I really cant understand it. Like I said earlier a talk wouldnt have hurted, maybe tossed a lowball contract to him and hope he bites.

[IgorUnchained]

"IN A.J. YOU TRUST"

Yeah, lets here how "he knows something we dont know" lets see , he has two eyes, two ears , two legs like everybody else.... True he has been in the NFL MGMNT for a long time. Thats his ONLY Plus.. but if you ask me, all the other Management in other industries I have worked in are pretty much middle men who are lazy and full of themselves. Im sure the NFL is different though, right?
How many picks did the SD entire secondary have last year? Not saying Law will repeat that performance, but come on!

EDIT : Chargers pick up B. Jue but wont pick up one of those guys. I am forced to watch Packer games here in WI. you know why Jue didnt play much here? He wasnt too great lets just say. AH but he had "potential" forever "potential" with the chargers it seems......

Ty Law only had 10 INTs last season....
He has succeeded within the 3-4 defense as a corner out on an island.
He has multiple super bowl rings.
A year ago the guy was in a wheelchair, and this season was one of his best ever.

Doesnt sound like an AJ guy to me....



I really hope that the team is looking at Madison. I just want to see something in free agency that tells me that management is intent on winning THIS YEAR.

[Podium]

I'm not high on Ty Law. Just cause the guy led the league with INTs doesnt mean he'd be a good fit. How many PI penalties did he have? How many times did he get burnt? How many first downs did he give up? How many times did LT juke him out of his jock? The last one doesn't matter, but I had to throw it in. I can't tell how good this guy was by looking at the box score. And I missed most of the Jets game this year so I didn't get to see much of him then.

As for Woodson, well this guy has been injury prone and hasn't been the Charles Woodson of old for quite some time. I thought it might be a good idea to see if he wanted to play FS though.
The front office has a mentality that I like. Don't overpay for free agents, just get quality guys that can work well within the system. They need to find those guys in the defensive backfield and offensive line this season though. But they found Foley and Goff and Godfrey the year before, and they did a very good job. AJ's following the NE/Phi model, and it's been proven to work in the past.


Just because they aren't looking at Law or Woodson doens't mean they don't have targets in mind. But, they need to have a really good offseason, with all the cap space and the potential loss of Brees. Something needs to be done to show the fans what the front office is about.

[Podium]

I really hope that the team is looking at Madison. I just want to see something in free agency that tells me that management is intent on winning THIS YEAR.

LeChuck Bentley would be a start.

[DEboltsfan]

Yeah! Why in the world would we want a guy with 10 picks in our secondary? He just wouldn't fit in!

[Ikeman83]

Ty Law is a consummate Pro.

If Bentley and Brees aren't wearing Charger uniforms, I'm going to start thinking of the Chargers the way I think of Illinois Football: Fun to watch if you're drunk enough not to be sad, and pessimistic enough not to be surprised when they lose.

[dserrano86]

Yeah! Why in the world would we want a guy with 10 picks in our secondary? He just wouldn't fit in!

Why wouldn't a guy with 10 picks work out in our secondary??

[Podium]

Why wouldn't a guy with 10 picks work out in our secondary??

sense the sarcasm:rolleyes:

[dserrano86]

sense the sarcasm:rolleyes:

:o Yeah, well let me ask the question to AJ Smith

[Onion Knight]

Ty Law is a consummate Pro.

If Bentley and Brees aren't wearing Charger uniforms, I'm going to start thinking of the Chargers the way I think of Illinois Football: Fun to watch if you're drunk enough not to be sad, and pessimistic enough not to be surprised when they lose.

Brilliant. :) And we can all come back here and talk "potential".
Pesonally, Im sick of potential. Its funny: beathard used to be "Mr. Charger", a "genius" then after he messed things up in hindsight, everyone is giving him hell. Rightfully so. But it is so funny to sit and watch people thing AJ is this "genius" as well. Im from the show me state, and so far AJ hasnt shown me s**t.

[Xien24]

Idiot move by the FO IMO. If a Pro Bowl player is clearly interested in playing on your team(Especially when you secondary if Full of S!it)then you should atleast have a sit down with him and see what they have in mind. The fact that he WANTS to play here might mean he is willing to play on a discount. At the very least you can offer him Charger friendly contract and see where they stand. If they don't like it then oh well, and move on. Makes you wonder if the FO really does want to win or not.

[IgorUnchained]

I'm not high on Ty Law. Just cause the guy led the league with INTs doesnt mean he'd be a good fit. How many PI penalties did he have? How many times did he get burnt? How many first downs did he give up? How many times did LT juke him out of his jock? The last one doesn't matter, but I had to throw it in. I can't tell how good this guy was by looking at the box score. And I missed most of the Jets game this year so I didn't get to see much of him then.

As for Woodson, well this guy has been injury prone and hasn't been the Charles Woodson of old for quite some time. I thought it might be a good idea to see if he wanted to play FS though.
The front office has a mentality that I like. Don't overpay for free agents, just get quality guys that can work well within the system. They need to find those guys in the defensive backfield and offensive line this season though. But they found Foley and Goff and Godfrey the year before, and they did a very good job. AJ's following the NE/Phi model, and it's been proven to work in the past.


Just because they aren't looking at Law or Woodson doens't mean they don't have targets in mind. But, they need to have a really good offseason, with all the cap space and the potential loss of Brees. Something needs to be done to show the fans what the front office is about.


Those kinds of things mean very little to me when I consider Ty Law and his potential. Ty Law wrote the book on being a shutdown corner within a 3-4 defense....that and the fact that his INTs outnumber all of the Chargers secondary combined....

I didnt think I would need any more of an argument than that.

[TJ21]

is anyone else as furious as the front office as i am? first they screw up in not signing our star qb, now they arent interested in signing 2 pro bowl cb? A.J. Smith is starting to make me lose faith in this team
You said before I had a chance.

[Podium]

Those kinds of things mean very little to me when I consider Ty Law and his potential. Ty Law wrote the book on being a shutdown corner within a 3-4 defense....that and the fact that his INTs outnumber all of the Chargers secondary combined....

I didnt think I would need any more of an argument than that.

Yeah he wrote the book. When was that? His skills have diminished. He had a career year because teams weren't scared to throw at him. Stats can lie. Didn't Brian Russel lead the league in INTs 2 years ago?

[Onion Knight]

Yeah he wrote the book. When was that? His skills have diminished. He had a career year because teams weren't scared to throw at him. Stats can lie. Didn't Brian Russel lead the league in INTs 2 years ago?

AS I said in the Starks post: bring him in as a 3rd down back. and if he proves he is more, happy days. dpends on what his asking price is and what he will accept , sure, but at least it should be looked at!!!!!

[Podium]

AS I said in the Starks post: bring him in as a 3rd down back. and if he proves he is more, happy days. dpends on what his asking price is and what he will accept , sure, but at least it should be looked at!!!!!

You're right Onion, it all depends on his asking price. But, knowing Law, he'll want big money.

And I agree with you too, the front office should at least have looked at it, unless they already know how much he wants, but that's unknown to us. Talking to a player can't hurt though.

[bolts4ever21]

Just mind games. That seams to be AJ m.o. Yeah its the way they do business around here. That will not change. I would like either or these guys on the team. Just for the leadership that Law would bring is enough. And Woodson, he looked really good last year, at times. The Raiders said he played better as a FS. So if he wanted to play there with us, I wouldn't mind.

All this is a moot point, unless we first get Bentley into the fold. After that, then we go shopping.

[IgorUnchained]

Yeah he wrote the book. When was that? His skills have diminished. He had a career year because teams weren't scared to throw at him. Stats can lie. Didn't Brian Russel lead the league in INTs 2 years ago?

KMac, Oben, Foley, and Godfrey were all "past their prime" when they signed with San Diego. Where would the team have been without them the last couple years. Youth isnt everything, and none of those guys had 10 picks this year.

The secondary could use an Oben, a Kmac, or a Foley for their own. I will also point out that if you add 10 INTs to last years regular season, chances are the Bolts would have AT LEAST made the playoffs? Anyone disagree with that?

[Onion Knight]

You're right Onion, it all depends on his asking price. But, knowing Law, he'll want big money.

And I agree with you too, the front office should at least have looked at it, unless they already know how much he wants, but that's unknown to us. Talking to a player can't hurt though.

Knowledge is power. its STUPID to say charles woodson or Ty Law have no place here with out even knowing an asking price is simply foolish. Ty Law has been around. he probably knows what he is worth but has given an inflated $$ amount. Perhaps AJ , cunning as he is, isnt cunning enough to see through it.

[Podium]

KMac, Oben, Foley, and Godfrey were all "past their prime" when they signed with San Diego. Where would the team have been without them the last couple years. Youth isnt everything, and none of those guys had 10 picks this year.

The secondary could use an Oben, a Kmac, or a Foley for their own. I will also point out that if you add 10 INTs to last years regular season, chances are the Bolts would have AT LEAST made the playoffs? Anyone disagree with that?

Good points Igor. My counterargument would be that Oben and Foley and Goff weren't looking for big paydays (which I believe Law is). K-Mac wanted a raise, but it was IMO a deserved one.

And I agree with you that 10 INTs and we're in the playoffs.

But, do you think Law would have gotten 10 INTs if he's a Charger?

[Dojo]

Law would bring the experience that we've been lacking in our backfield. The Jets really trusted Law this year in covering the other teams number one receiver. Unlike Denver, where Bailey would cover the other teams number 2 and Williams and Foxworth would cover the number 1 along with safety help. He's worth the money EVEN IF he's not our #1 corner. As long as he's starting he could teach our DB's and add toughness, which you can't teach. I wouldn't count out the idea at playing him at FS and moving Jue to SS. Just a thought

[Onion Knight]

Pardon me, but it almost seems AJ is constantly gambling on potential vs signing with something he knows. Perhaps this is really off the mark, just calling as I see it.

[IgorUnchained]

Good points Igor. My counterargument would be that Oben and Foley and Goff weren't looking for big paydays (which I believe Law is). K-Mac wanted a raise, but it was IMO a deserved one.

And I agree with you that 10 INTs and we're in the playoffs.

But, do you think Law would have gotten 10 INTs if he's a Charger?


Do you think he would have gotten 10 INTs as a Jet? ;)

Law might be looking for a payday, but so is Chris Hope and so was Reggie Wayne....etc. This year there will be money to play with. Lecharles Bentley is the guy we are after....but if we dont land him there are some great moves to be made still.
Depending on who all is playing QB for the Bolts, there might be even more money.

I'm not saying for sure that Law would come to Diego and get 10 picks, but I think that is more probable than Law going to a new team, getting out of his wheelchair and getting 10 picks with the Jets!

[Dojo]

Do you think he would have gotten 10 INTs as a Jet? ;)

Law might be looking for a payday, but so is Chris Hope and so was Reggie Wayne....etc. This year there will be money to play with. Lecharles Bentley is the guy we are after....but if we dont land him there are some great moves to be made still.
Depending on who all is playing QB for the Bolts, there might be even more money.

I'm not saying for sure that Law would come to Diego and get 10 picks, but I think that is more probable than Law going to a new team, getting out of his wheelchair and getting 10 picks with the Jets!
I think Law is 100% at this point. He got better and better and better as the year went on. He deserves the money because he is one of the best big play corner in the league. Even if he does half as good he would lead our team in interceptions. Who knows, maybe he could teach QJ to catch. Remember, last year he learned to see...and look how many turnovers that got us. sheesh:rolleyes:

[Onion Knight]

I think Law is 100% at this point. He got better and better and better as the year went on. He deserves the money because he is one of the best big play corner in the league. Even if he does half as good he would lead our team in interceptions. Who knows, maybe he could teach QJ to catch. Remember, last year he learned to see...and look how many turnovers that got us. sheesh:rolleyes:

Law would be a great pick up. he knows how to PLAY.

[L.T. - 21]

yeah a guy with 10 picks in a season doesnt fit the chargers need, we need someone who's had and amazing 1 pick in 2 years, that fits our secondary needs

[guimcharger]

San Diego Union-Tribune(Sun. Feb. 26, 2006):Quote: No Law

The Chargers recently informed the representatives for cornerback Ty Law that they have no interest in the 11-year veteran, who had a career-high 10 interceptions last season with the Jets. Law was said to have a strong interest in joining the team. The Chargers also have no interest in cornerback Charles Woodson.
Are you kidding me?!?!?! How can we not atleast have a Sit down with the guy??

I was thinking does the UT have an agenda here. They are up in arms about Brees not being signed and are trying make AJ look dumb. I don't know how credible this is considering AJ doesn't run his business through the media.

[Onion Knight]

I was thinking does the UT have an agenda here. They are up in arms about Brees not being signed and are trying make AJ look dumb. I don't know how credible this is considering AJ doesn't run his business through the media.

After Beathard, can you blame them?

[JoeMcRugby]

I missed something: Where did Ty Law state that he wanted to play for the Chargers?

Or were the Postons (aka the representatives for Ty Law) merely looking for another team to get into the bidding war to boost the ultimate contract that Law signs? :rolleyes:

BTW Safety, two o-linemen and ILB are far bigger needs than CB IMO. Then again, I'm an idiot who knows nothing about the NFL. ;)

[Onion Knight]

I missed something: Where did Ty Law state that he wanted to play for the Chargers?

Or were the Postons (aka the representatives for Ty Law) merely looking for another team to get into the bidding war to boost the ultimate contract that Law signs? :rolleyes:

BTW Safety, two o-linemen and ILB are far bigger needs than CB IMO. Then again, I'm an idiot who knows nothing about the NFL. ;)

CB wouldnt be bad though. And the first post was the one that led us all astray :)

[JoeMcRugby]

CB wouldn't be bad - if it's not at the expense of two top level o-linemen and a safety.

The ridiculous contract that Law ends up signing (make no mistake about it, this is an auction to the highest bidder) will not be worth it.

Bring in (1) LeCharles Bentley, (2) Runyan/Fabini/Samuels/etc., (3) a solid starting safety, and (4) a young ILB/WR/CB and I could care less about Law and the perpetually injured/non-caring Woodson.

[Sanitation Man]

...BTW Safety, two o-linemen and ILB are far bigger needs than CB IMO. Then again, I'm an idiot who knows nothing about the NFL. ;)

Hells yeah!!! After that, it's on like Donkey Kong.

[Onion Knight]

CB wouldn't be bad - if it's not at the expense of two top level o-linemen and a safety.

The ridiculous contract that Law ends up signing (make no mistake about it, this is an auction to the highest bidder) will not be worth it.

Bring in (1) LeCharles Bentley, (2) Runyan/Fabini/Samuels/etc., (3) a solid starting safety, and (4) a young ILB/WR/CB and I could care less about Law and the perpetually injured/non-caring Woodson.

Understood if that is a fact, not your opinion, but the contract demands of what Law has. Again ; throwing it off the table without even a look is simply foolish. Since when does a look bind?

[JoeMcRugby]

Law has been whining about money for the past two years.

There is no "number" until the auction is over.

I have no problem with the Chargers telling the Postons that they would not participate in the auction before it started and concentrating instead on their real area of needs that makes sense in a cost/benefit analysis under the structures of the salary cap.

[Onion Knight]

Law has been whining about money for the past two years.

There is no "number" until the auction is over.

I have no problem with the Chargers telling the Postons that they would not participate in the auction before it started and concentrating instead on their real area of needs that makes sense in a cost/benefit analysis under the structures of the salary cap.

Point taken and understood. Still< I would have heard what they had to say. BUT he may come a lot chepar later on......

[JoeMcRugby]

Point taken and understood. Still< I would have heard what they had to say. BUT he may come a lot chepar later on......

If that happens, I'm sure that AJ has the Postons phone number. ;)

[SDFaiderHater]

I am speechless....is the whole front office on crack!!! I should've known we would find a way to screw up this free agency too!!! this ticks me off!!! If an awesome corner has high interest in your team at least give him a shot!!!:Football:

i almost dropped my coffee when i read this yesteday, it also mentions charles woodson...and if you just glance at it, i thought it said LeCharles Bentley for a quick second, and i ALMOST freaking threw my cop against the wall...im telling you guys, AJ is afraid to sign a bigtime guy.

and if you are saying that woodson wouldnt like to stick it to the raiders twice a year for cutting him, you are crazy, at one time he was a very good football player, id be willing to bet he still is.

[JoeMcRugby]

Woodson and Law, for the money for which they'll eventually sign, will be poor investments of cap space. That's why the Chargers have no interest in them.

I'm betting that you're eating crow in about ten days time, Hater. Safety and two o-line free agents are where money should be spent, not getting into an auction for a CB who had more penalties and nine less passes defensed than Jammer last year.

Yes, he got a lot of INTs in 2005 (with almost half of them coming off of future Hall of Famer JP Losman), but he didn't get a lot of picks for the half-decade before then because teams used to stay away from his side of the field.

That's not the case anymore: Offenses now go after Law. The 32 year old CB is not worth the $15 millionish signing bonus he'll be demanding in the auction starting next week.

As for Woodson? Puhlease!! Talk about throwing money down the sewer.

[ChampCharger]

"IN A.J. YOU TRUST"

Yeah, lets here how "he knows something we dont know" lets see , he has two eyes, two ears , two legs like everybody else.... True he has been in the NFL MGMNT for a long time. Thats his ONLY Plus.. but if you ask me, all the other Management in other industries I have worked in are pretty much middle men who are lazy and full of themselves. Im sure the NFL is different though, right?
How many picks did the SD entire secondary have last year? Not saying Law will repeat that performance, but come on!

EDIT : Chargers pick up B. Jue but wont pick up one of those guys. I am forced to watch Packer games here in WI. you know why Jue didnt play much here? He wasnt too great lets just say. AH but he had "potential" forever "potential" with the chargers it seems......

I know we shouldn't be in panic mode because of this...but I seriously question AJ if he's making the right decisions for the team by low balling Brees and not attempting at the best CB in the league with our cap space.
I sure hope none of this comes back to haunt him all because he wanted to stand up to Marty on the QB issue or something.
Good point about Buwah Jue being our only acquisistion last year. Maybe AJ has too much faith in our CBs.
All I have to say is that he better get it done.

[Tycebrew]

EDIT : Chargers pick up B. Jue but wont pick up one of those guys. I am forced to watch Packer games here in WI. you know why Jue didnt play much here? He wasnt too great lets just say. AH but he had "potential" forever "potential" with the chargers it seems......


Onion, you've obviously seen more Packer games than us for sure. Out of curiosity, do you know what the % of games B. Jue played at safety vs. corner? I may be mistaken, but I thought Jue had to play corner a lot, because the Packer CB's were horrible.

[dserrano86]

I know we shouldn't be in panic mode because of this...but I seriously question AJ if he's making the right decisions for the team by low balling Brees and not attempting at the best CB in the league with our cap space.
I sure hope none of this comes back to haunt him all because he wanted to stand up to Marty on the QB issue or something.
Good point about Buwah Jue being our only acquisistion last year. Maybe AJ has too much faith in our CBs.
All I have to say is that he better get it done.

I think AJ Smith has been a good GM for us. He has brought players through the draft, FA, and trade over the years.

AJ should probably help us bring a couple more good players through FA and the draft once again this season.
And hopefully the loss of Drew won't hurt us.

[Onion Knight]

Onion, you've obviously seen more Packer games than us for sure. Out of curiosity, do you know what the % of games B. Jue played at safety vs. corner? I may be mistaken, but I thought Jue had to play corner a lot, because the Packer CB's were horrible.

Hey Brew: Honestly in GB he didnt play much at all. when he did play , it was out of dire neccessity. and I simply dont recall what position it was.

[Tycebrew]

Hey Brew: Honestly in GB he didnt play much at all. when he did play , it was out of dire neccessity. and I simply dont recall what position it was.



Fair enough. It did seem there was some discussion that GB played him at corner where he didn't do a good job as you mentioned.

I agree that he is nothing special and we could upgrade on that position, but only after we fix that O-Line. :Beer:

[SDFaiderHater]

Woodson and Law, for the money for which they'll eventually sign, will be poor investments of cap space. That's why the Chargers have no interest in them.

I'm betting that you're eating crow in about ten days time, Hater. Safety and two o-line free agents are where money should be spent, not getting into an auction for a CB who had more penalties and nine less passes defensed than Jammer last year.

Yes, he got a lot of INTs in 2005 (with almost half of them coming off of future Hall of Famer JP Losman), but he didn't get a lot of picks for the half-decade before then because teams used to stay away from his side of the field.

That's not the case anymore: Offenses now go after Law. The 32 year old CB is not worth the $15 millionish signing bonus he'll be demanding in the auction starting next week.

As for Woodson? Puhlease!! Talk about throwing money down the sewer.

i never said i wanted them to sell the farm to bring him in, but at least talk to the SOB...that being said, the throwing my cup was at the reaction i had to when i thought it said Lecharles Bentley, i quickly got much happier when i realized it said woodson. i dont want him either, but i think it would be interesting to see if we could upgrade the OTHER corner, i personally am a jammer fan.

my comment on AJ being afraid to sign the bigname guys was completely meant in that way, i think he is afraid to take a risk.

[Sirbob]

Big (overpriced) Free agent is not going to happen.
I guess rolling up in the draft is out of the question.

I'm getting use to this though...because it kind of does work.

We draft 10, with 1/2 the work is done in the scouting 1/2 done in filtering through 20 new guys in camp. we come out with 2 or so starters.

Boring but sound.

What is AJ "looking at" in free agency? all the pros want to play here hahahaha we are doing something right.
I guess its just the big name guys saying "Yo Chargers, Pay my rent! Hook a brother up, you got money!"

[SDFaiderHater]

Big (overpriced) Free agent is not going to happen.
I guess rolling up in the draft is out of the question.

I'm getting use to this though...because it kind of does work.

We draft 10, with 1/2 the work is done in the scouting 1/2 done in filtering through 20 new guys in camp. we come out with 2 or so starters.

Boring but sound.

What is AJ "looking at" in free agency? all the pros want to play here hahahaha we are doing something right.
I guess its just the big name guys saying "Yo Chargers, Pay my rent! Hook a brother up, you got money!"

i LOVE you sig bro, thats possibly the most horrific sight ive seen, but funny as hell.

[Sirbob]

Off topic I had a killer movie I was making but it was too much work.
want to see it?

http://www.kipjaw.com/chargers/movie.htm

[mwooten]

San Diego Union-Tribune(Sun. Feb. 26, 2006):Quote: No Law

The Chargers recently informed the representatives for cornerback Ty Law that they have no interest in the 11-year veteran, who had a career-high 10 interceptions last season with the Jets. Law was said to have a strong interest in joining the team. The Chargers also have no interest in cornerback Charles Woodson.
Are you kidding me?!?!?! How can we not atleast have a Sit down with the guy??
First of all, please do not believe every thing you read in the papers. Secondly, wouldn't it be tampering to say they ARE interested in a particual player before free agency begins???

[meatbucket]

Understood if that is a fact, not your opinion, but the contract demands of what Law has. Again ; throwing it off the table without even a look is simply foolish. Since when does a look bind?orpheus and euridice?:D

[IgorUnchained]

Woodson and Law, for the money for which they'll eventually sign, will be poor investments of cap space. That's why the Chargers have no interest in them.

I'm betting that you're eating crow in about ten days time, Hater. Safety and two o-line free agents are where money should be spent, not getting into an auction for a CB who had more penalties and nine less passes defensed than Jammer last year.

Yes, he got a lot of INTs in 2005 (with almost half of them coming off of future Hall of Famer JP Losman), but he didn't get a lot of picks for the half-decade before then because teams used to stay away from his side of the field.

That's not the case anymore: Offenses now go after Law. The 32 year old CB is not worth the $15 millionish signing bonus he'll be demanding in the auction starting next week.

As for Woodson? Puhlease!! Talk about throwing money down the sewer.

The free agent tackles and safeties arent worth the money they are asking either. I would imagine that if Law wanted to play in San Diego he would be willing to be paid less than if it was the Cardinals looking at him.

Hope and Runyan arent looking to do the Bolts any favors cap-wise either....a top 5 CB will probably want to be paid like a top 5 CB and Runyan will not be the future of the LT position for the Bolts. Hope is looking for huge money and he really isnt THAT good. OLT and S should be addressed through the draft and while I agree that there are some GREAT O line prospects, the team needs a T....and free agency is pretty bare right now.

The Bolts have at least 9 draft picks and plenty of cap space to make a move or two this season. If you want 2 O linemen, a Safety, and an ILB....that still leaves ME 5 picks and some free agent money to dream with. :Beer:

[JoeMcRugby]

The reason why Bhawoh Jue was the only free agent pickup last year was because nearly half of the excess cap space was used on Drew Brees, with the remainder used on contracts for insignificant Charger players like Antonio Gates, Jamal Williams, Steve Foley, Keenan McCardell, Lorenzo Neal, Mike Scifres, Roman Oben and the like. AJ should have let them walk out the door and used all of that extra cap on guys like Ty Law who couldn't run until August 2005 and UFAs from other teams.

Damn AJ. :mad: Gates, Williams, Foley, McCardell, Neal, Scifres and Oben mean nothing to the Chargers. What in the hell was he thinking?

Now, thanks to being smart with the cap, everyone outside of the injured QB who won't be able to fully participate in offensive drills until mid-July is under contract through the 2007 season minimum - and with almost $20 million to fill the real holes on the Chargers roster in free agency - o-line, safety and ILB.

Damn AJ. When will he learn? :mad:

[JoeMcRugby]

The free agent tackles and safeties arent worth the money they are asking either. I would imagine that if Law wanted to play in San Diego he would be willing to be paid less than if it was the Cardinals looking at him.

...

The Bolts have at least 9 draft picks and plenty of cap space to make a move or two this season. If you want 2 O linemen, a Safety, and an ILB....that still leaves ME 5 picks and some free agent money to dream with.


When and where did Law say he was looking to play for the Chargers? All the article implied was that the Postons were looking to get the Chargers into the auction.

He's a lock for the Pats if he's not looking out for top dollar - and being that this is Law's last chance at a big dollar contract (and the Postons are panting for money), just wait and see. Law's been *******g about money for more than a year, and in the end he goes to the winning bidder - be it in the desert, on the beach or spooning up clam chowder in the Northeast.

As for the 2 o-linemen, a safety and ILB - I'm talking about proven NFL studs filling the most critical holes on the roster, not draftees. The draft, outside of a possible safety in the first round, is for depth and future starters. I want Bentley, Runyan/Fabini/or the like plugged into the Chargers offensive line beginning in offseason training activities. They're so much more valuable in my mind than a Law that I find it hard to express in words.

All you need to do is take a close look at the Chargers offensive performance against every top level defensive squad during their two year 21-12 run to see the gaping hole in the offense.

[Bo1TZ]

I wouldn't mind seeing us giving up a few picks for a bigtime older experienced left tackle. It is the second most important position on offense behind quarterback (if your quarterback is right handed) and even if it meant losing out on Bentley, then I think we should do it. Hardwick played good his rookie year, but degressed last season. I still think he has potential and we can survive with him at center. With a new line coach coming in, I'm hoping that our O-line play will improve. Just a question, does Bentley have experience at other positions or just center?

I really disagree with A.J.'s decision not to pursue a top-notch verteran corner. Ty Law would give the club a solid veteran in the secondary, and he could teach Jammer and co. a thing or two. I wouldn't spend big money on a old corner, but not even willing to talk? I'm shocked. Same thing with Woodson. A little younger than Law, but will probably be expecting more money. I think that he's out of our price range, but talks can never hurt.

[hewie00]

AJ won’t waste the money on law and woodson who are vets looking to get paid. We could and should spend the money on oline help in FA, getting brees on a long term contract,and the rest of our needs in the draft.

[Dojo]

Theres NO WAY we need Law. I mean, c'mon, don't we want to move the team to L.A.? How are we gunna do that if we put winners on our team like Ty Law? :rolleyes:

[Onion Knight]

Fair enough. It did seem there was some discussion that GB played him at corner where he didn't do a good job as you mentioned.

I agree that he is nothing special and we could upgrade on that position, but only after we fix that O-Line. :Beer:

The O Line is an absolute given. Secondary, is secondary ..... :Beer:

[JoeMcRugby]

I wouldn't mind seeing us giving up a few picks for a bigtime older experienced left tackle. It is the second most important position on offense behind quarterback (if your quarterback is right handed) and even if it meant losing out on Bentley, then I think we should do it. Hardwick played good his rookie year, but degressed last season. I still think he has potential and we can survive with him at center. With a new line coach coming in, I'm hoping that our O-line play will improve. Just a question, does Bentley have experience at other positions or just center?
Bentley was only a Pro Bowl guard for the Saints before changing positions and becoming a Pro Bowl center. :Bolt:

The 26 year old multiple Pro Bowler is infinitely more important to Chargers success in 2006 than Law and it will take less money to get him. :)

[DEboltsfan]

Why wouldn't a guy with 10 picks work out in our secondary??

I was using a new form of satirical wit known as sarcasm. Maybe you've heard of it?

[Boltbaby]

San Diego Union-Tribune(Sun. Feb. 26, 2006):Quote: No Law

The Chargers recently informed the representatives for cornerback Ty Law that they have no interest in the 11-year veteran, who had a career-high 10 interceptions last season with the Jets. Law was said to have a strong interest in joining the team. The Chargers also have no interest in cornerback Charles Woodson.

Are you kidding me?!?!?! How can we not atleast have a Sit down with the guy??
Maybe they just didn't want to waste his time by having him fly out...he probably has other teams that want to talk to him and AJ knows right now that he wants a CB that will be around a good long time, healthy and not so expensive. I could understand that.

[chargerfan1978]

Maybe they just didn't want to waste his time by having him fly out...he probably has other teams that want to talk to him and AJ knows right now that he wants a CB that will be around a good long time,
healthy and not so expensive. I could understand that.

A.J. doesn't like to pay 'names', only 'players'. I guess he feels for players that are for the team, and not into himself.

[bigruday]

That the chargers would not even talk to Law. I think with law and Jammer on the corners we could have a great secondary. Law is an all pro world champ. I know he is aging and wants a lot of money, but his leadership would be such a value to our young secondary. The chargers have plenty of money to play with and no disrespect to Jue who had an ok year, but I want to get a known stud in our secondary and not a player that has potential who might have been a back up to a starter that they hope will improve with competition.
To not even be interested in law is a shame. The man had 10 ints last year don't tell me he is not worth the price.
Player No Yards Avg Long TD
Ty Law 10 195 19 74 1
These are his Int numbers. You tell me that the chargers are not interested?

[Tycebrew]

That the chargers would not even talk to Law. I think with law and Jammer on the corners we could have a great secondary. Law is an all pro world champ. I know he is aging and wants a lot of money, but his leadership would be such a value to our young secondary. The chargers have plenty of money to play with and no disrespect to Jue who had an ok year, but I want to get a known stud in our secondary and not a player that has potential who might have been a back up to a starter that they hope will improve with competition.
To not even be interested in law is a shame. The man had 10 ints last year don't tell me he is not worth the price.
Player No Yards Avg Long TD
Ty Law 10 195 19 74 1
These are his Int numbers. You tell me that the chargers are not interested?


He also led the league in pass interference calls as well. At best, he might be just a 1 year or 2 year fix. AJ would want someone who will be around for good while.

[bigruday]

He also led the league in pass interference calls as well. At best, he might be just a 1 year or 2 year fix. AJ would want someone who will be around for good while.

where did you get that stat from. Just curiostiy?
Well He led the league in INT so I will take that!

[JoeMcRugby]

where did you get that stat from. Just curiostiy?
Well He led the league in INT so I will take that!
I've read it in numerous articles that Ty Law led the NFL in pass interference and illegal contact penalties in 2005. I'll see if I can dig up one of those articles, bigruday. :Bolt:

[JoeMcRugby]

This article dated November 30, 2005 from the NY Daily News detailing Law's performance for the Jets last year:
__________________________________

Law of average
Jets pay penalty for mediocre Ty
By RICH CIMINI
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

When the Jets signed Ty Law in August, they envisioned him as the final piece in their championship puzzle. Eleven games into a Jets career that almost certainly will be one-and-done, Law is the puzzle.

The former All-Pro cornerback is tied for fourth in the AFC with five interceptions, but he has offset those big plays with a team-high nine penalties. Because of his championship pedigree, Law commands respect in the locker room, but there are those who see him as nothing more than a hired gun, using the Jets as a brief stopover on his way to another free-agent score.

One thing is certain: Law's wallet is getting bigger.

Two weeks ago, the Jets quietly renegotiated his contract, giving him a $3 million signing bonus, according to sources. The move baffled some league insiders, but the Jets did it because they received some concessions that will help their salary cap in future years. It certainly didn't help this year; his cap number jumped from $2.9 million to $3.6 million.

Counting bonuses, Law will make $6 million this season, a huge amount for a player who has been less than advertised. "What's clear is that his skills have declined," one NFL scout said yesterday. "He looks heavier than ever before and he's not as athletic as he used to be. To compensate, he has to do a lot of holding and grabbing, which explains all the penalties."

Law is struggling with the crackdown on illegal contact - aka the Ty Law Rule. He has more penalty yardage (73) than interception-return yardage (50). He has committed three illegal-contact penalties, and the only player in the league with more is the Redskins' Walt Harris (four), according to STATS.

Saints WR Joe Horn, who faced the Jets Sunday night, said Law got away with his aggressive tactics in the past because "he was with the Patriots and they overlooked it." Horn, not ready to dump him into the has-been category, claimed Law is "a great corner. He's still on his way to Hawaii."

If Law makes his fifth Pro Bowl, it'll be a crime, according to our scout. This much we know: He's not going to the Super Bowl. His personal Super Bowl will occur Sunday in Foxboro, where he will face the Patriots in what promises to be an emotional game.

His surgically repaired left foot, which scared away many potential suitors, still is bothering him. According to Herm Edwards, Law aggravated his foot injury on the Saints' winning drive in the fourth quarter, causing him to miss the final three plays, including the 30-yard TD pass to Devery Henderson.

Law isn't a liability, but he's no longer an elite corner. According to STATS, he has allowed completions on 21 of the 33 passes thrown at him, a ratio that puts him 20th among 103 corners. Not bad, but not great. Law's renegotiated contract still includes that $11 million option bonus, payable next March. The Jets aren't going to pay that kind of dough to a 32-year-old corner; they may approach him about restructuring again. They realize he's not the Law of old but they believe he has value as a second-tier player at a premium position. Maybe, if the Jets' season had gone better, Law's presence would be more appreciated. Now he's like the rest of them, just a guy playing out the string.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/370238p-314945c.html

[JoeMcRugby]

Law's penalties hurting Jets
Associated Press
Wed, Nov 23, 2005

Jets cornerback Ty Law can’t seem to figure out how to keep his hands off receivers.

Law was whistled for two penalties in a 27-0 loss to Denver on Sunday, bringing his team-leading total to nine penalties for 73 yards this season. Though the cornerback has five interceptions, his mistakes have been costly.

His first penalty against the Broncos was for holding, nullifying an incompletion on third-and-8. Instead of getting off the field, the Broncos offense wound up scoring a touchdown.

“Sometimes he forgets you just can’t use your hands as much as they let you use them before, and they’re calling him,” coach Herman Edwards said. “The problem is he’s gotten them in some critical situations, on third down when you’re off the field, not on first down.”

Indeed, the Jets (2-8) need all the breaks they can get. Law is not helping matters. The Jets signed him during training camp to help shore up a shaky secondary, but his play has been spotty at best. For the good plays there are a few bad ones.

Another example came in a win over the Buccaneers in October. An illegal contact call negated an interception by David Barrett. But Law made up for that mistake with an interception that set up a touchdown.

It has been tough for him to adjust to the measure implemented last season that limits the contact defensive backs can make with receivers.

Fair or not, it is known as the “Ty Law Rule” because of his aggressive play against the Indianapolis Colts when he was still with the Patriots.

After the Broncos loss, Law said he didn’t want to change the type of player he is.

“They tagged the call and made it for me, so I guess I`m the example and they`re going to magnify it,” Law said. “I can`t change my game and change who I am.”

But Edwards wants him to change for the good of the team.

"Our margin for error is very little, so when those type of things happen, you can go, ‘Man, he gives them another chance,’” Edwards said. “We can’t afford to give people second chances against us right now. That's not a good way to play for us.”

http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx?theArt=62242&tid=27&t=1

[Dojo]

This article dated November 30, 2005 from the NY Daily News detailing Law's performance for the Jets last year:
__________________________________

Law of average
Jets pay penalty for mediocre Ty
By RICH CIMINI
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

When the Jets signed Ty Law in August, they envisioned him as the final piece in their championship puzzle. Eleven games into a Jets career that almost certainly will be one-and-done, Law is the puzzle.

The former All-Pro cornerback is tied for fourth in the AFC with five interceptions, but he has offset those big plays with a team-high nine penalties. Because of his championship pedigree, Law commands respect in the locker room, but there are those who see him as nothing more than a hired gun, using the Jets as a brief stopover on his way to another free-agent score.

One thing is certain: Law's wallet is getting bigger.

Two weeks ago, the Jets quietly renegotiated his contract, giving him a $3 million signing bonus, according to sources. The move baffled some league insiders, but the Jets did it because they received some concessions that will help their salary cap in future years. It certainly didn't help this year; his cap number jumped from $2.9 million to $3.6 million.

Counting bonuses, Law will make $6 million this season, a huge amount for a player who has been less than advertised. "What's clear is that his skills have declined," one NFL scout said yesterday. "He looks heavier than ever before and he's not as athletic as he used to be. To compensate, he has to do a lot of holding and grabbing, which explains all the penalties."

Law is struggling with the crackdown on illegal contact - aka the Ty Law Rule. He has more penalty yardage (73) than interception-return yardage (50). He has committed three illegal-contact penalties, and the only player in the league with more is the Redskins' Walt Harris (four), according to STATS.

Saints WR Joe Horn, who faced the Jets Sunday night, said Law got away with his aggressive tactics in the past because "he was with the Patriots and they overlooked it." Horn, not ready to dump him into the has-been category, claimed Law is "a great corner. He's still on his way to Hawaii."

If Law makes his fifth Pro Bowl, it'll be a crime, according to our scout. This much we know: He's not going to the Super Bowl. His personal Super Bowl will occur Sunday in Foxboro, where he will face the Patriots in what promises to be an emotional game.

His surgically repaired left foot, which scared away many potential suitors, still is bothering him. According to Herm Edwards, Law aggravated his foot injury on the Saints' winning drive in the fourth quarter, causing him to miss the final three plays, including the 30-yard TD pass to Devery Henderson.

Law isn't a liability, but he's no longer an elite corner. According to STATS, he has allowed completions on 21 of the 33 passes thrown at him, a ratio that puts him 20th among 103 corners. Not bad, but not great. Law's renegotiated contract still includes that $11 million option bonus, payable next March. The Jets aren't going to pay that kind of dough to a 32-year-old corner; they may approach him about restructuring again. They realize he's not the Law of old but they believe he has value as a second-tier player at a premium position. Maybe, if the Jets' season had gone better, Law's presence would be more appreciated. Now he's like the rest of them, just a guy playing out the string.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/370238p-314945c.html
Everyone gets penaltys. I'de rather see a corner that is physical and will try to prevent you from making the catch by being in your face then being scared to get a penalty. Sometimes the results of being physical is turnovers. What is the penalty/interception ratio of QJ this past year? uhhhhh.....lets not answer that question.

[Chargeroo]

That the chargers would not even talk to Law. I think with law and Jammer on the corners we could have a great secondary. Law is an all pro world champ. I know he is aging and wants a lot of money, but his leadership would be such a value to our young secondary. The chargers have plenty of money to play with and no disrespect to Jue who had an ok year, but I want to get a known stud in our secondary and not a player that has potential who might have been a back up to a starter that they hope will improve with competition.
To not even be interested in law is a shame. The man had 10 ints last year don't tell me he is not worth the price.
Player No Yards Avg Long TD
Ty Law 10 195 19 74 1
These are his Int numbers. You tell me that the chargers are not interested?The team has a scouting department that reports on all the players on the other 31 teams in the league. They follow these players all year long and they know by seasons end which players look like they'll fill a need for us and who will not. If they aren't even interested in Ty Law it means they don't think he'll fill a need for us. I told everyone last year that TY Law was a Corner that bumped, grabbed, and pushed WR's and he'd have many penalties. That's exactly what he did. However, all most of thew fans read is how many picks these D-backs have and they want the guys with the most picks. The scouts look for a lot more than that and that's why they turned thumbs down on Law.

[JoeMcRugby]

How many more passes did Jammer break up than Law last season?

Nine.

Personally, I could care less about a 32 year old CB on the downhill side of his career who is looking for the $15 million signing bonus that he has been whining incessantly about missing last year due to his broken foot.

Pass. Let's move onto more pressing needs like o-line, safety and ILB. However, if Ty wants to sign a low dollar contract with the Chargers, great! Bring him aboard.

[bigruday]

How many more passes did Jammer break up than Law last season?

Nine.

Personally, I could care less about a 32 year old CB on the downhill side of his career who is looking for the $15 million signing bonus that he has been whining incessantly about missing last year due to his broken foot.

Pass. Let's move onto more pressing needs like o-line, safety and ILB. However, if Ty wants to sign a low dollar contract with the Chargers, great! Bring him aboard.

I agree with you on this one, but at this point if the guy is interested in becoming a charger maybe he would take a smaller salary to come out here. If not then you say ok well good luck!

[JoeMcRugby]

I agree with you on this one, but at this point if the guy is interested in becoming a charger maybe he would take a smaller salary to come out here. If not then you say ok well good luck!

I need to make it clear, bigruday: the name of this thread is misleading. Ty Law has never made any sounds that he wants to be a Charger.

His agents (the Poston brothers) are making the rounds with organizations throughout the NFL to see if they're willing to compete in the Ty Law sweepstakes. Law hasn't said a word about being a Charger.

I have a sneaking suspicion that during their meeting with the Chargers, the Postons just might have let them know what ballpark figures they are looking for with both Law and Charles Woodson. Kevin and Carl probably weren't meeting to discuss the weather in San Diego. That's probably the point at which the Chargers said they weren't interested in pursuing Law or Woodson.

Just a wild guess on my part. :)

[IgorUnchained]

Wanna check the DEs that got fewer penalties than Castillo? I guess that guy was a bust and the positive things on the field (not 10 INTs by the way) should be overlooked because of the multiple rookie mistakes and the illegal hands to the face fetish he obtained from injecting steroids.....:rolleyes:

[Chargeroo]

Ty Law is all about how much money he can make. If he ever considered taking a lesser amount of money he could have remained with the Pats. He'd rather play for a losing team than play for the world champs if the money is more. My point is that people haven't been paying attention to what Ty Law has said and done when they say "maybe he'll take less money to play for the Chargers", that's just not the kind of thing Ty Law has ever done.

[IgorUnchained]

Ty Law is all about how much money he can make. If he ever considered taking a lesser amount of money he could have remained with the Pats. He'd rather play for a losing team than play for the world champs if the money is more. My point is that people haven't been paying attention to what Ty Law has said and done when they say "maybe he'll take less money to play for the Chargers", that's just not the kind of thing Ty Law has ever done.


That is one way to look at it, the other way is to realize where the Patriots have had their "bread buttered" for the past couple of years and how injuries and free agency are their downfall now. The Pats dont play alot of games, much like AJ and the boys.
The Pats landed Rodney AFTER they gave up on Lawyer Milloy in his prime...due to money. If it wasnt for their success in recent years, many of their own free agents wouldnt have signed with them for less money and they wouldnt have had the success they have in free agency.
Now the Pats see that when your few stars are injured and you have a team full of cheap depth/old role players that you dont go anywhere. They have lost their coaches, and their secondary......now, they might be turning Willie Mcginest into a greedy bum just like they did to Law!

Patriots | McGinest status to be determined soon
Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:56:40 -0800

John Tomase, of the Boston Herald, reports there is no guarantee New England Patriots LB Willie McGinest will be back with the team in 2006. McGinest hopes to rejoin the team. Next week could prove pivotal in deciding whether McGinest returns for a 13th season in New England. He's due to make $8.3 million and will likely be released before a $3.5 million roster bonus comes due in early March, saving the team $6.8 million against the salary cap. What happens from there could be interesting, according to sources close to McGinest. It has been considered a foregone conclusion he would renegotiate with the Patriots and return, just like WR Troy Brown last spring. McGinest is not Brown, however, and sources say he'll leave, if he believes he's being treated unfairly.

What the heck did Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law, or Willie Mcginest ever do to deserve a pay day from the Patriots?? They must just be greedy.

Next time you work for a company for 13 years and they ask you to take a paycut by half.......just do it and pat yourself on the back for being a team-player!:Beer:

[LarryAW]

The bad teams are the teams that overpay an aging player coming off a big year, killing the salary cap and future signings. If the Chargers are going to spend a lot of money on one player, then it would make considerably more sense to spend the money on a young, but veteran OT like LeCharles Bentley than on an aging CB/S Ty Law. New England didn't waste any time dispatching Ty Law once he wanted a s...load of dough, which they didn't think he was worth.

I have no problem if you want to call the Chargers cheap. You are entitled to your opinion. AJ is a talent evaluator and a damn good one. He doesn't like to overpay. He wants the most bang for the buck, and there is a salary cap. I seriously doubt AJ thinks Ty Law is worth anywhere near what Ty Law thinks he's worth. If this team needed to add one player, then I think AJ would open up the checkbook. But, although we have a bunch of great players, we need quite a few upgrades to make a deep playoff/SB run this year. Even if Ty Law gave us a 25% San Diego discount, it would still be more than AJ would think Ty's worth -- I think.

If the Chargers aren't willing to take a hard look at LaCharles (How about LaChargers Bentley? ;) ) Bentley, then I will be chiming in the chorus of cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap!

[JoeMcRugby]

Wanna check the DEs that got fewer penalties than Castillo? I guess that guy was a bust and the positive things on the field (not 10 INTs by the way) should be overlooked because of the multiple rookie mistakes and the illegal hands to the face fetish he obtained from injecting steroids.....:rolleyes:

You're missing the point, Igor.

Fans have been screaming about how horrible Jammer was in 2005 and point to the number of penalties he committed as being "proof" of how sorry of a player he is.

[Onion Knight]

LaCharles

Is he french? :p

[hattrikstyle]

The Spanos wants a new stadium but what have they done for the city of San Deigo?? Let go John Carney who gave so much back to the city, gave up Junior who was Mr. San Diego. That would have been like the Padres letting Tony Gwen go. I know you will all harp on me that it was there time to go but I think it is also the Spanos time to go.

All they have ever given San Deigo is a "rebuilding year" & now that we actully have a team they may let the heart of the team go.

[LarryAW]

Is he french? :p

Of course, Cajun. That's why he played for New Orleans. ;)

[IgorUnchained]

You're missing the point, Igor.

Fans have been screaming about how horrible Jammer was in 2005 and point to the number of penalties he committed as being "proof" of how sorry of a player he is.

Jammer has his weakness (and we all know what that is), but IMO he is a better than average CB who should remain on the Bolts roster.
I think that weakness would be counteracted by moving him to safety and allowing him to use his physicality as a plus (instead of a minus) and giving him more time facing the field and the ball.
I know he has had penalty problems in the past, but I believe them to be a symptom of his penchant for playing the man and not the ball....which I think would be helped by a move to Safety.

That is neither here, nor there....and that is more of a "Marty issue" than an "AJ issue"....will save that fight for another day. ;)

[Podium]

Jammer has his weakness (and we all know what that is), but IMO he is a better than average CB who should remain on the Bolts roster.
I think that weakness would be counteracted by moving him to safety and allowing him to use his physicality as a plus (instead of a minus) and giving him more time facing the field and the ball.
I know he has had penalty problems in the past, but I believe them to be a symptom of his penchant for playing the man and not the ball....which I think would be helped by a move to Safety.

That is neither here, nor there....and that is more of a "Marty issue" than an "AJ issue"....will save that fight for another day. ;)

Actually, I think the opposite Igor, instead of moving Jammer to safety, you move him up into press, which I can't figure out why we don't do more of. Jammer is a press CB, hence the name Jammer lol. Playing off and playing press are totally different from a CB's point of view, and Phillips has Jammer playing to his weakness.

[IgorUnchained]

Actually, I think the opposite Igor, instead of moving Jammer to safety, you move him up into press, which I can't figure out why we don't do more of. Jammer is a press CB, hence the name Jammer lol. Playing off and playing press are totally different from a CB's point of view, and Phillips has Jammer playing to his weakness.


Once again, I agree 100%....the problem is that if/when Jammer gets beat, the only coverage help he can count on is Jue/Wilson. That will change next season (the Wilson part for sure, maybe the Jue part as well). It was the lack of coverage abiltity within the safety corps (and the rule change) that have taken Jammer out of HIS game. He wont be able to risk being burned until there is some decent coverage behind him. Jammer might not be the best cover guy, but he is a great run stopper, jammer, and physical player. Put him in the box and HIS game fits right into the scheme.

[Podium]

Once again, I agree 100%....the problem is that if/when Jammer gets beat, the only coverage help he can count on is Jue/Wilson. That will change next season (the Wilson part for sure, maybe the Jue part as well). It was the lack of coverage abiltity within the safety corps (and the rule change) that have taken Jammer out of HIS game. He wont be able to risk being burned until there is some decent coverage behind him. Jammer might not be the best cover guy, but he is a great run stopper, jammer, and physical player. Put him in the box and HIS game fits right into the scheme.

EXACTLY!

Alot of people forget that the reason Jammer was a top 5 pick was because of his play in college when he.. yup you guessed it..JAMMED! Get Jammer a guy he can trust to play behind him and he's not going to have to grab the WRs jersey in order to save a TD.

[Chargeroo]

Actually, I think the opposite Igor, instead of moving Jammer to safety, you move him up into press, which I can't figure out why we don't do more of. Jammer is a press CB, hence the name Jammer lol. Playing off and playing press are totally different from a CB's point of view, and Phillips has Jammer playing to his weakness.You missed the news, he changed his name to Quinton Tenyardsoff. :p

[Podium]

You missed the news, he changed his name to Quinton Tenyardsoff. :p

LOL. I gotta get a new jersey then:p :Beer:

[LarryAW]

Seems assinine to me. But they have to have their reasons. Seems like a "feeling each side out" session would not hurt though.

The reason is bang for the buck and having needs at more than one position. AJ is reluctant to pay an aging guy like Ty Law a lot of money. New England let Ty Law go because they didn't think he was worth what he wanted. It's hard to argue with New Englands' decisions on anything. Ty Law had 10 interceptions last year. That's super. In 2004, he had 1 interception, and he only played in 7 games (hurt???). Whether you like it or not, AJ will not spend a lot of money on an aging player who would impact the salary cap for years. That's how a lot teams get into salary-cap-hell. On the other hand, LaCharles Bentley is a young, but veteran player and he plays a position of even greater need for the Chargers. If the Chargers spend a lot of money on a player, it will be on a young, but veteran player like Bentley rather than an aging Ty Law. AJ will take calculated risks like taking Castillo in the 1st round. But, AJ is not Bobby Beathard, and he will not take a lot of risks. In my opinion, that is a very good thing.

AJ puts his bottom-line values on players, and that is it. I don't think he is one of those people who will keep exchanging numbers with an agent until they come to an agreement. Ty Law will put a value on himself that is considerably higher than what AJ's value would be. I would be beyond shocked if AJ signed Ty Law. But you just never know.

[TheIceCreamMan]

i dont mind as much Ty Law...he is good but hes like 35....


i really am mad bout Charles Woodson....hes like 29 turning 30..he still had a couple great seasons in him.....

ahhh im madd!!!!!!!

[BoltsfanNYC]

we have a chance at greatness. we need the same 4 guys...tackle-safety-CB-BENTLEY and I hope by MONDAY we have bentley and HOPE!

[danextLT21]

:Football: we have to alest sit down with him just incase our pursute with sam madison dosent fall thru:Football:

[Dojo]

You're missing the point, Igor.

Fans have been screaming about how horrible Jammer was in 2005 and point to the number of penalties he committed as being "proof" of how sorry of a player he is.
don't get me wrong Joe, I think QJ is a good player but he lacks a key element to his game...turnovers. He's turned into a cover corner, which is good, but he needs to get more picks. It seems like he doesn't have a nose for the football anymore. Coming out of college he was said to be a ball hawk but he's transformed over the years. I agree with Igor though, move him to FS. That would improve our defense big time bro!

[Thunderstruck]

we have a chance at greatness. we need the same 4 guys...tackle-safety-CB-BENTLEY and I hope by MONDAY we have bentley and HOPE!


4 guys? Do you expect AJ to go after a top-of-line name player with all 4 offers? Because you can't get 4 top-flight players with the amount of salary-cap the Chargers have remaining--especially if one of them is Law or Woodson, who will certainly command $7 million-plus per season.

So why would we spend around 40% our remaining cap-space on a cornerback, which is not even our main area of need?

If we plan to sign a tackle AND Bentley AND a safety...well there's the rest of our cap-space for this offseason. We need to keep $2 to $3 million free to sign rookies after the draft. AJ can't just go hog wild and start throwing money at every name free agent that might be better than what we have.

[boltskickass21]

what i am shocked at is I am the 100th post in this thread in 24 hours!!! Wow, nice discussion

[SinCityBoltFan]

how about AJ signing Bently and another free agent tackle, move olivea to right guard, goff to left, or whichever you prefer, then draft either chad jackson (WR, Florida (Faster T.O.), v. davis (TE , Maryland), or Tye Hill (CB, Clemson (best pure cover corner in the draft)) in the first round. If you don't like the idea of Florence @ Free Saftey, draft one in the 2nd. There is enough depth in the o-line in this draft that a 3rd rounder could come in and if God forbid Oben gets hurt, come in and see how well he can do. Our new o-line coach, as stated repeatedly throughout this site, has a pedigree of grooming o-linemen into probowl caliber players. If Oben is healthy for at least 4-6 weeks into the regular season like last year, it should give the incoming rookie enough time to get used to the system and hopefully becoming a starter for this team for years to come..

[Tycebrew]

how about AJ signing Bently and another free agent tackle, move olivea to right guard, goff to left, or whichever you prefer, then draft either chad jackson (WR, Florida (Faster T.O.), v. davis (TE , Maryland), or Tye Hill (CB, Clemson (best pure cover corner in the draft)) in the first round. If you don't like the idea of Florence @ Free Saftey, draft one in the 2nd. There is enough depth in the o-line in this draft that a 3rd rounder could come in and if God forbid Oben gets hurt, come in and see how well he can do. Our new o-line coach, as stated repeatedly throughout this site, has a pedigree of grooming o-linemen into probowl caliber players. If Oben is healthy for at least 4-6 weeks into the regular season like last year, it should give the incoming rookie enough time to get used to the system and hopefully becoming a starter for this team for years to come..


It would be awesome if we could pick up Bentley, Samuels/Runyan at Tackle. and Chris Hope at Safety. A bit of stretch for all 3 positions, but would be amazing.

Then use the draft for other concerns such as ILB and CB and more line depth.

[Remember13and1?]

I don't think AJ Smith wants any veterens who have won superbowls on his team, he wants young fresh guys who he can build up and when they do win a superbowl, he will feel like he managed the team instead of just picking up some 2 year contract guys who will win it for you.

[Chargeroo]

It would be awesome if we could pick up Bentley, Samuels/Runyan at Tackle. and Chris Hope at Safety. A bit of stretch for all 3 positions, but would be amazing.

Then use the draft for other concerns such as ILB and CB and more line depth.If AJ can get a Bentley, a starting L. Tackle and Hope, he can simply draft the best player on the board regardless of position. I think we'd be in really good position if he could sign those three.

[SinCityBoltFan]

Hope wants to be a Top 5 salary saftey. No way AJ will sign him. Stick w? Bently and a tackle, draft the BPA in round 1, then get whatever else you need in round 2 & 3. At this point, if we do sign a FA tackle, we could put of drafting one until the 3rd, 4th, or 5th round

[JoeMcRugby]

Hope wants to be a Top 5 salary saftey. No way AJ will sign him. Stick w? Bently and a tackle, draft the BPA in round 1, then get whatever else you need in round 2 & 3. At this point, if we do sign a FA tackle, we could put of drafting one until the 3rd, 4th, or 5th round

A top 5 salary safety is 1/2 the cost of a top 5 CB, so it's not out of the question should AJ deem him to be a difference maker.

I'm not all that familiar with Hope, but I do have a feeling that his play is greatly accentuated by the big talent surrounding him. Unless he's a huge difference maker, I don't see AJ signing him either.

A first day draftee and a solid veteran safety are pretty much necessities IMO. The thing to watch out for are the unexpected salary purge safeties on the open market. :Bolt:

[JoeMcRugby]

I don't think AJ Smith wants any veterens who have won superbowls on his team, he wants young fresh guys who he can build up and when they do win a superbowl, he will feel like he managed the team instead of just picking up some 2 year contract guys who will win it for you.

I disagree. :Bolt:

Consider the fact that he's traded for two Super Bowl winners and team leaders in the past two years. :)

[Podium]

I disagree. :Bolt:

Consider the fact that he's traded for two Super Bowl winners and team leaders in the past two years. :)

Oben and KMac.

[Tycebrew]

If AJ can get a Bentley, a starting L. Tackle and Hope, he can simply draft the best player on the board regardless of position. I
think we'd be in really good position if he could sign those three.


Very possibly true. If the best player on the board is a WR, I can see AJ going that route.

[LarryAW]

I am speechless....is the whole front office on crack!!! I should've known we would find a way to screw up this free agency too!!! this ticks me off!!! If an awesome corner has high interest in your team at least give him a shot!!!:Football:

You're already torching AJ over free agency, and free agency hasn't even started yet. The Chargers have a LOT of improvements to make. Wouldn't you agree? Ty Law is an aging CB who is coming off a career year. In 2004, Ty Law played in seven games and had one interception. Would we get the 2005 Ty Law, or the 2004 Ty Law New England didn't want at his salary demand? Would his high salary demand allow AJ the flexibility to improve other parts on the team? At this point, we don't even know whether or not AJ will be able to sign Drew.

I'd rather give a young, but veteran Lecharles Bentley a large contract than an aging Ty Law. But, we should at least wait until AJ makes some moves first before we criticize him. I think you'll agree that up to this point, AJ deserves the benefit of the doubt. At least recognize that there is a salary cap and AJ doesn't have unlimited resources. I think Drew has already discovered that.

[Tycebrew]

I'm not all that familiar with Hope, but I do have a feeling that his play is greatly accentuated by the big talent surrounding him. Unless he's a huge difference maker, I don't see AJ signing him either


Chris Hope was great in 2005 and decent in 2004.

In 2005, Chris Hope's stats were identical to Polamalus.

Hope had 1 Forced Fumble, 3 INT's and 5 passes defensed.

Polamalu had 1 Forced Fumble, 2 INT's and 8 passes defensed.

Sure Hope was good because of Polamalus presence, but IMO, he's worth bringing in. We'll see if AJ see's him as a difference maker real soon.

[SDFaiderHater]

Chris Hope was great in 2005 and decent in 2004.

In 2005, Chris Hope's stats were identical to Polamalus.

Hope had 1 Forced Fumble, 3 INT's and 5 passes defensed.

Polamalu had 1 Forced Fumble, 2 INT's and 8 passes defensed.

Sure Hope was good because of Polamalus presence, but IMO, he's worth bringing in. We'll see if AJ see's him as a difference maker real soon.

only thing i've seen hope do is almost give up a critical TD in the superbowl, anyone remember the "push off" that was hope.

[SupaChagaZ]

Yeah he wrote the book. When was that? His skills have diminished. He had a career year because teams weren't scared to throw at him. Stats can lie. Didn't Brian Russel lead the league in INTs 2 years ago?

That is quite possibly the most inane thing i have ever read.

His skills have diminished, but he got 10 picks. Which means his skills have diminished, so they threw at him, and he tore them up.... because his skills are diminished. :confused: :confused: :confused:

[SDFaiderHater]

That is quite possibly the most inane thing i have ever read.

His skills have diminished, but he got 10 picks. Which means his skills have diminished, so they threw at him, and he tore them up.... because his skills are diminished. :confused: :confused: :confused:

lol i gotta agree with you bro, its pretty funny.

[JoeMcRugby]

That is quite possibly the most inane thing i have ever read.

His skills have diminished, but he got 10 picks. Which means his skills have diminished, so they threw at him, and he tore them up.... because his skills are diminished.
Ty had a field day against the JP Losmans of the NFL world (the guy he made 4 of his 10 picks off of) - he got beaten regularly by good QBs around the league as compared to his former performances. That's called "diminishing skills".

Shutdown corners - which Ty Law used to be - get picks that you can count on one hand in a season because QBs look the other way and don't challenge him. Prime example: Ultimate "shutdown corner" Deion Sanders had 2, 2, 2, 5 and 3 interceptions in his five seasons in Dallas from 1995 - 1999. Deion had 8, 9, 7. 8 and 6 passes defended those five years.

Damn, Deion sucked, didn't he? Or maybe, just maybe, teams stayed far away from throwing anywhere in Deion's vicinity. ;)

32 year old Ty led the NFL in PI/illegal contact/defensive holding penalties, was mediocre to bad in run support, he reaggravated his foot injury and got picked on more than he's been picked on his entire NFL career.

After having 3, 4, 6 and 1 Interceptions during the Pats three rings in four seasons run, suddenly Ty "skyrockets" to 10 INTs, he ranks in the 20s in CBs in allowing completions to the receiver he's covering and his penalties skyrocket. Doesn't sound like skills regressing to me. :rolleyes:

Conclusion: Give him his $15 to 20 million signing bonus he's been crying about for the past two years. After all, he couldn't feed his children on the $6 million the Jets paid him for the 2005 season. He had a reason to cry.

[mk87]

I think someone made a good point in another thread when he said Ty Law only had so many opportunities to get picks because the Jets defense were always on the field.

[Ikeman83]

Chargers poised with hope
Season hangs on uncertainty
SIGN DREW YOU *******!!!!

[Thunderstruck]

We had a CB named Ryan McNeil. He was widely considered a competent cornerback when we signed him, but he was far from a "shutdown" corner. We got him and all of a sudden he racks up 8 INTs in a season and goes to a pro-bowl. 75% of Charger fans would have said McNeil was an elite corner, but the fact was he wasn't an elite corner...he was still the same, competent guy who suddenly had one of those seasons where every tipped ball, every deflection, every poor decision by the QB landed in his bread-basket.

The next season he racks up 1 INT. It would be the last INT of his career.

Don't assume that INTs are a sign of elite skill. It's a mistake to pay players a ton of money based upon their season when everything went right for them that year. If Ty Law would accept a contract that was reasonable for a player in his thirties who is no longer a shutdown corner--something in the $3 to $4 million per season range, then I'd be all for it. But no way on earth do we break the bank for this guy. He's not the elite corner you all think he is.

[Ikeman83]

I agree with Joe, a true shutdown corner has fewer than 5 passes thrown in their general direction in a game, otherwise, they're just a corner that turns alot of defensed passes into picks.

[xLT 4 MvPx]

**** lets just try to get ed reed. LOL...IM KIDDING NO ONE BITE MY HEAD OFF

[cstu]

The Spanos wants a new stadium but what have they done for the city of San Deigo?? Let go John Carney who gave so much back to the city, gave up Junior who was Mr. San Diego. That would have been like the Padres letting Tony Gwen go. I know you will all harp on me that it was there time to go but I think it is also the Spanos time to go.

All they have ever given San Deigo is a "rebuilding year" & now that we actully have a team they may let the heart of the team go.





How can so many people miss the point? The Chargers are where they are now since they let go of guys like Seau, Carney, Harrison, Wiley, etc. The NFL is a tough business and you can't keep everyone you'd like. Tough decisions have to be made so you have to choose carefully which guys to keep.

[cstu]

Ty had a field day against the JP Losmans of the NFL world (the guy he made 4 of his 10 picks off of) - he got beaten regularly by good QBs around the league as compared to his former performances. That's called "diminishing skills".

Shutdown corners - which Ty Law used to be - get picks that you can count on one hand in a season because QBs look the other way and don't challenge him. Prime example: Ultimate "shutdown corner" Deion Sanders had 2, 2, 2, 5 and 3 interceptions in his five seasons in Dallas from 1995 - 1999. Deion had 8, 9, 7. 8 and 6 passes defended those five years.

Damn, Deion sucked, didn't he? Or maybe, just maybe, teams stayed far away from throwing anywhere in Deion's vicinity. ;)

32 year old Ty led the NFL in PI/illegal contact/defensive holding penalties, was mediocre to bad in run support, he reaggravated his foot injury and got picked on more than he's been picked on his entire NFL career.

After having 3, 4, 6 and 1 Interceptions during the Pats three rings in four seasons run, suddenly Ty "skyrockets" to 10 INTs, he ranks in the 20s in CBs in allowing completions to the receiver he's covering and his penalties skyrocket. Doesn't sound like skills regressing to me. :rolleyes:

Conclusion: Give him his $15 to 20 million signing bonus he's been crying about for the past two years. After all, he couldn't feed his children on the $6 million the Jets paid him for the 2005 season. He had a reason to cry.

Ty Law is/was a better version of Quentin Jammer (or maybe what Jammer can be). His success was due to his aggresive style of play that was allowed (or at least now called) in his heyday. Jammer would have been a superstar in those days as well, but the rules change makes it impossible to be a physical corner and coverage skills are at a premium. While it's still nice to have a CB who can provide run support, the emphasis is now on coverage.

[Alibell1]

Can somebody do me a favor and go look up how well the Chiefs defense did last year with all their "Madden" moves.

I'm really happy with the GM the Chargers have and I'm pretty darn happy none of you got the job.

[Podium]

Can somebody do me a favor and go look up how well the Chiefs defense did last year with all their "Madden" moves.

I'm really happy with the GM the Chargers have and I'm pretty darn happy none of you got the job.

You mean AJ doesn't use Madden when exploring potential moves?!:eek:

[Alibell1]

You mean AJ doesn't use Madden when exploring potential moves?!:eek:

Maybe he should. Didn't you know all the scouts use EA's NCAA football as well as game film and the combine to evaluate tallent.

[Podium]

Maybe he should. Didn't you know all the scouts use EA's NCAA football as well as game film and the combine to evaluate tallent.

I get the NCAA football part, that's a given. But game film?! That's what the combine is for, duh.

[Alibell1]

I get the NCAA football part, that's a given. But game film?! That's what the combine is for, duh.

Are you Mike Mamula's agent?

[Podium]

Are you Mike Mamula's agent?

Seeing as I don't know who he is, I hope not.

[Alibell1]

Seeing as I don't know who he is, I hope not.

He was one of the original work out wonders. The guy blew up the combine one year and was the guy every scout and team was talking about leading up to the draft. The Eagles ended up taking him #5 overall and he never came close to living up to the hype. In fact, I think the word "hype" was invented just for him.

By the way, I just looked up Law's Madden ratings, and it turns out he is pretty darn good. I think the Chargers should make a run at him. Afterall, Madden never lies.

[Brother Wolf]

I wanted Law last year, but don't guess he was too much for us being 20 mil under the cap. They should have at least thrown a number out there...they low balled Brees, why not Law??? Couldn't hurt!

[JoeMcRugby]

I wanted Law last year, but don't guess he was too much for us being 20 mil under the cap. They should have at least thrown a number out there...they low balled Brees, why not Law??? Couldn't hurt!
How can you "throw out a number" from the Chargers standpoint when free agency doesn't start until March 3rd?

Ever heard of tampering, Brother? Heard of draft picks being stripped and a seven figure fine for "throwing out a number" to a guy when you can't do it for over a week? The Poston brothers were allowed to throw out numbers, and I guarantee that they did. That's why the Chargers said - in the timeless words of Pink Floyd - "Shine on, you crazy diamond."

Brother, let me ask you a question: which of the two or three guys would you have preferred that the Chargers "shove off" last year when the Chargers used their cap space to lock them down through (at a minimum) the 2007 season?

Drew Brees?

Keenan McCardell?

Lorenzo Neal?

Jamal Williams?

Steve Foley?

Roman Oben?

Antonio Gates?

Mike Scifres?

Give me a holla when you can give me the inside scoop on which of these bottom of the barrel Chargers should have been tossed to the curb when Ty Law was finally able to run in August 2005. Inquiring minds want to know! ;)

[Brother Wolf]

Eeeeeeasy Joe...I wasn't sayin now...but when it's time, but to just snub a probowler like that....Come on!!! When someone wants to be on a team, they tend to take a pay cut. You don't blow the team salary on one guy, but if they're willing to take a pay cut, that's another story. I would...HA, but not to play w/ the US Army...!!! For the Chargers I would in a heartbeat...but stuff is getting espensive in So. Cali too! I'd have to cut Oben from the list...he should be preping his replacement this year anyways. Cant we all just get along??? http://forums.chargers.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[JoeMcRugby]

When someone wants to be on a team, they tend to take a pay cut.
Are you relying on the title of this thread as proof that Ty wants to be a Charger, Brother?

It's a very misleading title. Ty has expressed no interest in being a Charger.

His agents, the Poston brothers, have been meeting with every NFL franchise to gauage whether they want to get in on the bidding war for Law. When they met with the Chargers - without Ty ever being reported as saying he wanted to be a Charger - the Chargers organization said no thanks.

Ty isn't taking a "discount" to play anywhere. The Postons are selling him to the highest bidder.in the auction that begins on Friday.

Instead of wasting their time on the auction, the Chargers FO most likely politely said that they have more important things to do this offseason than to get in on the bidding war that the Postons are hopeful will bring in a close to $20 million signing bonus.

IMO The front office has their heads screwed on straight: two top-tier o-linemen, a starting safety and possibly a starting level ILB in free agency are far more important than the sliding-down-the-backside-of-the-hill looking-for-his-last-big-paycheck Ty Law.

But maybe that's just me. ;)

[dfields77]

Watching Quite Frankly right now and Ty Law is speaking unusually positive comments about the Chargers being a contender next year......hmmm......seems like he is givin a lot of love.....maybe he thinks or hopes he might end up here.....

Did it strike anyone else as intersting?

[boltskickass21]

Thats thoughtful of him, unfortunately AJ must think he is too old because he said we have no interest in him or Woodson. I would take him at the right price, though.

[Just1SuperBowl]

Thats thoughtful of him, unfortunately AJ must think he is too old because he said we have no interest in him or Woodson. I would take him at the right price, though.
Have you ever heard of volunteering? Ty Law could do some for us :p.

[phillychargerfan]

Yeah of couse he would say something positive about us, we need secondary help and have lots of cap room. LOL

[CidTheGod]

I'd take Law on a one or two year deal, if he wasn't demanding the bankroll. I don't know why AJ wouldnt at least take a look - I would.

plus, he could learn to tackle on LT http://www.nctimes.com/content/articles/2005/11/06/sports/professional/chargers/21_15_5910_27_05.jpg

[Sirbob]

Anyone got a clip?

[superCHARGED]

Yup Im watching it too. He gave props to the BOLTS!!!

[Bolaction55]

to have guys like that talk about the Chargers. We need people like him.

[cabodog]

to have guys like that talk about the Chargers. We need people like him.
Yeah, we saw what it did for Drew.........

[mtxsound]

Have you ever heard of volunteering? Ty Law could do some for us :p.

Could do some? He could do a lot for us. Id like to be there when LT meets up with him though. Sorry bout making you look bad dude, its what I do. haha

[LAbolt]

i would take charles or law, they would help us out alot.

[dfields77]

nah...we dont need a 10 interception back....not with all that talent we got back there now.....

[TJ21]

Salisbury reported Law was extremely interested in coming here.

AJ refused to meet with him.

Bad move. At least MEET with the guy.

[TJ21]

nah...we dont need a 10 interception back....not with all that talent we got back there now.....
Sarcasm? I hope.

[LAbolt]

yeah i feel u was up with aj man pisses me off!!!!!!

[TJ21]

yeah i feel u was up with aj man pisses me off!!!!!!
His decisions have reflected some stubborness lately.

A bit concerning.

[Onion Knight]

Ty is the LAW
Bow down to this LAW
and have some cole sLAW.

[Bobo]

I'd take Law on a one or two year deal, if he wasn't demanding the bankroll. I don't know why AJ wouldnt at least take a look - I would.

plus, he could learn to tackle on LT http://www.nctimes.com/content/articles/2005/11/06/sports/professional/chargers/21_15_5910_27_05.jpg I agree. Law also had 10 INT last yr. If he's willing to play for us at the right price, AJ would be crazy to ignore him. AJ wants competition in the 2ndary, well, there you go. :Helmet:

[boltskickass21]

I would love to have him, and BTW AJ cant say he wants to meet with him or any other FA till FA begins officially. Now that is Monday

[dfields77]

Sarcasm? I hope.

dripping....

[JCDavey]

Salisbury reported Law was extremely interested in coming here.

AJ refused to meet with him.

Bad move. At least MEET with the guy.

agree, but at the same time can GMs even meet with f/A's yet? i thought we had to wait till free agency begins

[mk87]

I hope he'll continue his support of the Chargers when AJ looks pass him.

[SuperBowlBolts]

Ty is the LAW
Bow down to this LAW
and have some cole sLAW.
cole sLAW is good! i think ill go buy some tommorow

[TBOLTZCALI]

AJ needs to recognize whats out there. First Ray Lewis and now Ty Law, I would rather have them playing for us than against us. Ty will help us out alot. Even if it was for a 1 year deal. I think he doesnt want to give up on what we have now and look like an idiot for signing them.

[SuperBowlBolts]

AJ needs to recognize whats out there. First Ray Lewis and now Ty Law, I would rather have them playing for us than against us. Ty will help us out alot. Even if it was for a 1 year deal. I think he doesnt want to give up on what we have now and look like an idiot for signing them.
I just dont see aj spending big money on an aging player. now if that aging player (Ty Law) didnt want to break bank i could see him coming here.

[mikeavo22]

I'd prefer to see the other Law in blue n gold. LAWyer Milloy!!! =)

[mrkmacc21]

Lawyer Milloy and Ty Law reunited? How in the hell could this not be a good thing? If our offense is going to be screwed up, why not emulate the bears of this past year and have a kick-Oz defense! C'mon! We are just looking for too many nice guys, until we give this team some attitude we are just not going to be one of the elite AND respected teams.

[SD Chargers Fan]

I was just watching Stephen A. Smiths show. Quite Frankly, and he was having a talk with Ty Law and he asked him which team he would like to sign with, and the first team he said was SAN DIEGO!!!!
quote on quote "the chargers are just a few defensive players away from a championship"
1 of those players should be ty law, come on AJ!!!!

[jhasley]

wasnt ty law #2 in the league in 5 yard bump penalities behind quentin jammer??? that would be great site for us and 3rd and long, the dreaded 5 yard chuck rule by both our starting corners

[Chargeroo]

I think many of you have an unrealistic view of the the salary cap. I also think you way over-rate Ty Law. Ty Law will cause twice as many penalties as Jammer does. On top of that he's getting old. How many teams must you watch squander millions of dollars on a player and fail before you understand that it's a waste of money except in rare cases. If we signed every FA you want us to sign we'd have to cut ten regulars and we'd still be over th salary cap. Look at all the good Moss and T.O. did their respective teams. Watch the Eagles improve this year when they spend the money on team players instead of one big name guy.

[jhasley]

also, sam madison would be a better free agent pick up for us..law is more of 2 deep cover corner <same with jammer> madison plays man to man better,plus would come alot cheaper

[mrkmacc21]

I was just watching Stephen A. Smiths show. Quite Frankly, and he was having a talk with Ty Law and he asked him which team he would like to sign with, and the first team he said was SAN DIEGO!!!!
quote on quote "the chargers are just a few defensive players away from a championship"
1 of those players should be ty law, come on AJ!!!!

I saw the same show...you could see it in his eyes he wants to be in SD...how many boats are we gonna' miss?

[Podium]

wow... Ty Law is really milking you guys isn't he?

Chargers = playoff contender + alot of cap room + hole in secondary


I wonder why Law says he wants to player here

[psychofan]

I'm glad that we got no interest in this guy. He's in his 11th year even though he had a career year last year he still is too old to have on the team starting in the secondary.

[Bobo]

I think many of you have an unrealistic view of the the salary cap. I also think you way over-rate Ty Law. Ty Law will cause twice as many penalties as Jammer does. On top of that he's getting old. How many teams must you watch squander millions of dollars on a player and fail before you understand that it's a waste of money except in rare cases. If we signed every FA you want us to sign we'd have to cut ten regulars and we'd still be over th salary cap. Look at all the good Moss and T.O. did their respective teams. Watch the Eagles improve this year when they spend the money on team players instead of one big name guy.Law has been an elite CB his entire career & also has 3 SB rings. He also had 10 INT last yr., while coming off a serious foot injury the yr. before. Not bad for an old guy. If he really wants to be a Charger (at the right price), the Bolts would be crazy not to talk to him. The Bolts aren't going to break the bank for him, nor should they, but Law would most definitely help our underachieving 2ndary. :Helmet:

[abnewcombe]

I think many of you have an unrealistic view of the the salary cap. I also think you way over-rate Ty Law. Ty Law will cause twice as many penalties as Jammer does. On top of that he's getting old. How many teams must you watch squander millions of dollars on a player and fail before you understand that it's a waste of money except in rare cases. If we signed every FA you want us to sign we'd have to cut ten regulars and we'd still be over th salary cap. Look at all the good Moss and T.O. did their respective teams. Watch the Eagles improve this year when they spend the money on team players instead of one big name guy.
I didn't get to see it but when you have a guy who WANTS to play for a team, more often than not, they will play for less money because of that desire. I think we could give him a chance. A one year deal would be sufficient and if he doesn't pan out, he's gone the next year.

[abnewcombe]

I'm glad that we got no interest in this guy. He's in his 11th year even though he had a career year last year he still is too old to have on the team starting in the secondary.
And what do we call K-Mac? He's not exactly a young pup anymore and has been around about the same number of years. If LAw could help in any way, he would be a good mentor for our very young secondary.

[Thunderstruck]

And what do we call K-Mac? He's not exactly a young pup anymore and has been around about the same number of years. If LAw could help in any way, he would be a good mentor for our very young secondary.

If Ty Law would play for what McCardell makes, I'd be all for it!

Problem is that Law wants about twice as much as McCardell is making (more actually).

[YetAnotherSDFan]

... If we signed every FA you want us to sign we'd have to cut ten regulars and we'd still be over th salary cap. Look at all the good Moss and T.O. did their respective teams. Watch the Eagles improve this year when they spend the money on team players instead of one big name guy.

Mosss was not a FA signing. The year when PHI signed TO they got to the SB.

[Podium]

Mosss was not a FA signing. The year when PHI signed TO they got to the SB.

Are you really using Philly signing TO as a good thing?

[JoeMcRugby]

I didn't get to see it but when you have a guy who WANTS to play for a team, more often than not, they will play for less money because of that desire. I think we could give him a chance. A one year deal would be sufficient and if he doesn't pan out, he's gone the next year.

A one year deal with a guy like Ty Law KILLS your cap. It would have to be for multiple years to spread out the signing bonus and Law would have to be willing to take signinficantly less money from the Chargers to make it work.

And if it's a one-year deal, it's a guaranteed "one and done" season like with the Jets. With 2007 being an uncapped season and the Chargers thankfully not being idiotic enough to tag Law in 2007 to the tune of over $8 million in salary and against the cap, Law will be on the market once again looking for his only objective: whose going to pay him the most cash?

He's been whining about it for two years now and it ain't gonna stop. He already has his two rings - it's all about money now.

[WVBOLTFAN]

I just dont see aj spending big money on an aging player.

Or just about any other top FA out there.

[JoeMcRugby]

Or just about any other top FA out there.

Wanna bet? ;) :Bolt:

[WVBOLTFAN]

Wanna bet? ;) :Bolt:

I really do I hope I'm wrong.

[nayip2002]

all i know is w better sign one of these free agents!!! theres just so many out there!!! we could use them!!! issac bruce, ty law, sam madison, LAVAR!!!!

[dinster_pod]

ok what are the chargers doin...we didnt sign brees so we have the cap room to go after both ty law and c wood both are needed in our young 2ndary we should move D flo and sammy davis to 3 and 4 corners and put jammer at fs he played in it college and he would embrace his hard hitting ways of old

[Podium]

ok what are the chargers doin...we didnt sign brees so we have the cap room to go after both ty law and c wood both are needed in our young 2ndary we should move D flo and sammy davis to 3 and 4 corners and put jammer at fs he played in it college and he would embrace his hard hitting ways of old


wow.......:confused:

[WVBOLTFAN]

all i know is w better sign one of these free agents!!! theres just so many out there!!! we could use them!!! issac bruce, ty law, sam madison, LAVAR!!!!
Why will this year be any different from previous years?I mean we don't sign top free agents.

I hope we do,but if the past is any indication they will just sit on the money and sign lower level free agents IF ANY that will not take us to the next level as they always do.

I would hope they'd be major players in free agency.I guess time will tell.

[LAbolt]

yeah im tired of the boltz not signing major free agents, and always settling 4 lower level free agents. i mean whats wrong with law? he had a great year 4 the jets, comming of an injury. issac bruce i eman what can i say about this guy just look at his stats.. lavar hes still a good player just think he needs a scene change. lets get it done AJ

[Podium]

yeah im tired of the boltz not signing major free agents, and always settling 4 lower level free agents. i mean whats wrong with law? he had a great year 4 the jets, comming of an injury. issac bruce i eman what can i say about this guy just look at his stats.. lavar hes still a good player just think he needs a scene change. lets get it done AJ

even if he had 10 INTs, Law led the WORLD in pass interference penalties. Something that most Charger fans HATED about Jammer. That, and the fact that he's probably going to want more money than he made last season because he led the league in INTs.

[IM DONE]

San Diego Union-Tribune(Sun. Feb. 26, 2006):Quote: No Law

The Chargers recently informed the representatives for cornerback Ty Law that they have no interest in the 11-year veteran, who had a career-high 10 interceptions last season with the Jets. Law was said to have a strong interest in joining the team. The Chargers also have no interest in cornerback Charles Woodson.

Are you kidding me?!?!?! How can we not atleast have a Sit down with the guy??We wont do that..Because we have the best CB in the NFL in Jammer! Yeah!!!!! Dont forgit SSSSSsammy Davis also,we cant waste OUR time with those amatures..:rolleyes:

[IM DONE]

Someone start a thread about Jammer,I cant do it yet...IM SURE there is plenty to be said on that subect..

[Podium]

Someone start a thread about Jammer,I cant do it yet...IM SURE there is plenty to be said on that subect..

Here's one

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=28451&highlight=Jammer

[mk87]

Jammer > Law.

I'm so proud of him the last second half of the season because the penalties declined (which was the only problem IMO).
Which other CB can say that they owned TO, Moss and Harrison?
All he needs to do now is catch the ball instead of just batting it down.

[SuperBowlBolts]

Jammer > Law.

I'm so proud of him the last second half of the season because the penalties declined (which was the only problem IMO).
Which other CB can say that they owned TO, Moss and Harrison?
All he needs to do now is catch the ball instead of just batting it down.
agreed! jammer has begun his turn around.

[mk87]

agreed! jammer has begun his turn around.
Yeah, we can't give up on him yet. Granted it was a slow start, but four years of hard work finally paying off, lol.


just playing. i love you jammer! #1 CB in the NFL.

[Mallrat83]

Think about it this way: why did he have a career year as far as interceptions this late in his career? Because teams are no longer scared to throw at him. Back in his prime, Law was pretty close to the definition of shut-down cornerback. Now, quarterbacks aren't afraid to throw his way. I keep flashing back to LT simply freezing him in his tracks and I just laugh. I'd much rather have Dyson at this point in both their careers. He's younger, less selfish, and has a brighter future from this point on.

[BoltsfanNYC]

get jammer a CRUSHER in the SAFETY and watch our CBs become better overnight.

[WVBOLTFAN]

If I'm not mistaken this is Jammers' last year of his contract so he will or should come out with added incentive to play well so he can cash in on a huge deal when the season is done.

[Podium]

If I'm not mistaken this is Jammers' last year of his contract so he will or should come out with added incentive to play well so he can cash in on a huge deal when the season is done.

Jammer is signed through the 07-08 season

[WVBOLTFAN]

Jammer is signed through the 07-08 season
Really?I didn't know that.Thanks.

[Podium]

Really?I didn't know that.Thanks.

no problem.

you can find charger contract info here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~bdave/id24.html