View Full Version : Cheap backup for Jamal?
nshep42
03-01-2006, 03:40 PM
Sam Adams was just released today, he had a relatively small contract and cap number and I think he would be a great short term backup for Jamal.
If anything else, he plugs a hole that lets us not have to invest draft choices on a backup and focus on our other more prevalent areas of need.
baddass4444
03-01-2006, 03:43 PM
Sam Adams was just released today, he had a relatively small contract and cap number and I think he would be a great short term backup for Jamal.
If anything else, he plugs a hole that lets us not have to invest draft choices on a backup and focus on our other more prevalent areas of need.
Thats a waste of money, we already resigned Cesaire
loweezy
03-01-2006, 03:57 PM
Thats a waste of money, we already resigned Cesaire
cesaire is not the answer for nose tackle... to spell jamal williams... jamal is the anchor of our defense... we definitely need an upgrade at nose tackle to either spell or step in for jamal williams in case of injury... depth as aj says... so wouldn't surprise me... though... i don't think it's a move we'd do unless he came relatively cheap.
Maybe sign him and Milloy in a package deal. Haha
cesaire is not the answer for nose tackle... to spell jamal williams... jamal is the anchor of our defense... we definitely need an upgrade at nose tackle to either spell or step in for jamal williams in case of injury... depth as aj says... so wouldn't surprise me... though... i don't think it's a move we'd do unless he came relatively cheap.
Money is the issue here and whether he wants to be a backup. He would certainly be nice to have as insurance if Jamal gets hurt and I'm guessing he would be able to play a little DE in spots.
IgorUnchained
03-01-2006, 04:22 PM
cesaire is not the answer for nose tackle... to spell jamal williams... jamal is the anchor of our defense... we definitely need an upgrade at nose tackle to either spell or step in for jamal williams in case of injury... depth as aj says... so wouldn't surprise me... though... i don't think it's a move we'd do unless he came relatively cheap.
I agree. Cesaire is a great guy to have on the roster because he can play DT or DE....he also got alot of game time last season and seemed to improve as the season progressed.
That said, I dont see him as the potential backup for Jamal if he were to go down for a while. He is fine to fill in while The Wall catches his breath, but I want to see a guy who could step in and keep the team from falling apart (like the loss of Oben seemed to do to the Offense last season) in case "the unthinkable" happens.
There are some good prospects in the draft, but I would look at the Texans and the Ravens who are going to be giving up some cheap, solid NTs pretty soon.
Sam Adams would be great, but I dont think he would be cheap enough to warrant being a backup. The guy is too good to play backup, and he isnt good enough to start over Jamal.
56lightsout56
03-01-2006, 04:44 PM
Panthers just released DT Brinson Buckner, RB Stephen Davis and KR Rod Smart....Buckner a better choice than Adams???
Lightiningsmack
03-01-2006, 04:54 PM
TREVOR PRYCE TO BACKUP OLSHANKSY! This would be an amazing pickup. Bring Trevor in on blitz packages and passing situations! 3 year incentive laden contract COME ON AJ he's only 31
drangus
03-01-2006, 05:00 PM
TREVOR PRYCE TO BACKUP OLSHANKSY! This would be an amazing pickup. Bring Trevor in on blitz packages and passing situations! 3 year incentive laden contract COME ON AJ he's only 31
to back-up olshansky!!! you have got to be kidding---if we sign pryce he will be a starter---no disrespect but igor couldn't carry his jock let alone start over him---you are talking about a 5 time probowler who played well enough to be in the probowl again this year
Alibell1
03-01-2006, 05:13 PM
TREVOR PRYCE TO BACKUP OLSHANKSY! This would be an amazing pickup. Bring Trevor in on blitz packages and passing situations! 3 year incentive laden contract COME ON AJ he's only 31
Any player over 30 in the NFL should not have an "only" in front of his age. When a plyer hits 30 in the NFL he pushing the limits of his body and his skills will start to decline at a steady pace. There is a reason there has only been one Jerry Rice, one Rod Woodson, one Reggie White, one Bruce Smith and one Brett Favre, because you have to be pretty special to play into your mid 30's and longer.
SDFaiderHater
03-01-2006, 05:15 PM
Money is the issue here and whether he wants to be a backup. He would certainly be nice to have as insurance if Jamal gets hurt and I'm guessing he would be able to play a little DE in spots.
have you seen Sam Adams, the guy is a elephant...no thanks.
IgorUnchained
03-01-2006, 05:24 PM
to back-up olshansky!!! you have got to be kidding---if we sign pryce he will be a starter---no disrespect but igor couldn't carry his jock let alone start over him---you are talking about a 5 time probowler who played well enough to be in the probowl again this year
Trevor Price: 16 games - 33 Tackles - 4 Sacks
Igor Olshansky 14 games - 29 Tackles - 3 Sacks
Oh Snap! Igor couldnt even carry his jock!
Trevor Pryce weighs about as much as Merriman and couldnt outlast the Browns D line on the Broncos Roster. The guy is a better 4-3 end than a 3-4 end.
bolts4ever21
03-01-2006, 06:38 PM
Yeah i would wait to see what else comes of the blood bath on Thursday. So we shall see
Brother Wolf
03-01-2006, 07:03 PM
Pryce wouldn't come cheap...no way he'd accept less than Igor's making....don't see it happening. Igor is here to stay. Wish he was a little faster, but I ain't complaining!!! ;)
meatbucket
03-02-2006, 04:44 AM
Trevor Price: 16 games - 33 Tackles - 4 Sacks
Igor Olshansky 14 games - 29 Tackles - 3 Sacks
Oh Snap! Igor couldnt even carry his jock!
Trevor Pryce weighs about as much as Merriman and couldnt outlast the Browns D line on the Broncos Roster. The guy is a better 4-3 end than a 3-4 end.and a 4-3 end should make a lot more plays than a 3-4 end. since their numbers are basically the same i'd have to say igor had a better year.
drangus
03-02-2006, 08:09 AM
Trevor Price: 16 games - 33 Tackles - 4 Sacks
Igor Olshansky 14 games - 29 Tackles - 3 Sacks
Oh Snap! Igor couldnt even carry his jock!
Trevor Pryce weighs about as much as Merriman and couldnt outlast the Browns D line on the Broncos Roster. The guy is a better 4-3 end than a 3-4 end.
I said no disrespect, going off of your username I see you managed to get yourself caught up---that is your hang-up not mine
trevor pryce is 6' 6" 300 pounds and played DT for the first six years of his career-he is a physical specimen who happens to be one of only a handful of guys that have made the probowl at both DE and DT---that clearly demonstrates that he has the skills set to be a 3-4 DE-he played DT and has the quickness to be a 4-3 end---lets get one thing clear-pryce is a salary cap casualty!!!I guess the rest of the guys getting the axe around the league are a bunch of losers too huh? per your logic AJ won't bring any of those guys in either
In addition pryce has demonstrated a capacity to take over games, he is a game changer-igor is a solid starter and I don't care how much you idolize him-I like him too-but you have to recognize that olshansky is simply not at the same level athletically as pryce-trevor would be a huge upgrade next to jamal and castillo power, agility, AND speed
as for the stats-you can keep them-we both know that they don't reflect the reality on the front lines--pryce is a guy that gets doubled on every play like jamal does---if we went by stats we could find DTs with better #s than jammal williams too, but that doesn't mean they are better---if anything with jammal williams and luis castillo alongside of him olshanskys #s should be better---when you are done being a homer maybe you can come to your senses and recognize that the reason those browns did well in denver was because they had trevor pryce taking up two blockers on every play
Boltz2175
03-02-2006, 10:00 AM
No way he would just take up space on the cap that we need for O-lineman or Secondary...besides...Jamal needs no backup!!!:Helmet:
SDFaiderHater
03-02-2006, 12:44 PM
I said no disrespect, going off of your username I see you managed to get yourself caught up---that is your hang-up not mine
trevor pryce is 6' 6" 300 pounds and played DT for the first six years of his career-he is a physical specimen who happens to be one of only a handful of guys that have made the probowl at both DE and DT---that clearly demonstrates that he has the skills set to be a 3-4 DE-he played DT and has the quickness to be a 4-3 end---lets get one thing clear-pryce is a salary cap casualty!!!I guess the rest of the guys getting the axe around the league are a bunch of losers too huh? per your logic AJ won't bring any of those guys in either
In addition pryce has demonstrated a capacity to take over games, he is a game changer-igor is a solid starter and I don't care how much you idolize him-I like him too-but you have to recognize that olshansky is simply not at the same level athletically as pryce-trevor would be a huge upgrade next to jamal and castillo power, agility, AND speed
as for the stats-you can keep them-we both know that they don't reflect the reality on the front lines--pryce is a guy that gets doubled on every play like jamal does---if we went by stats we could find DTs with better #s than jammal williams too, but that doesn't mean they are better---if anything with jammal williams and luis castillo alongside of him olshanskys #s should be better---when you are done being a homer maybe you can come to your senses and recognize that the reason those browns did well in denver was because they had trevor pryce taking up two blockers on every play
dude you sure do get worked up if someone disagrees with you... you dont have to insult someone just because he doesnt want what you want... dont forget to take ur prozac.
nshep42
03-02-2006, 03:22 PM
Trevor Price: 16 games - 33 Tackles - 4 Sacks
Igor Olshansky 14 games - 29 Tackles - 3 Sacks
Oh Snap! Igor couldnt even carry his jock!
Trevor Pryce weighs about as much as Merriman and couldnt outlast the Browns D line on the Broncos Roster. The guy is a better 4-3 end than a 3-4 end.
These stats that you just posted...means that Price made 4 more tackles and only 1 more sack in 2 MORE GAMES than Igor played
Plus, T Price is old, fat, and washed up. Igor is young, and frankly, he scares the living piss out of me. I think he does the same to opposing running backs...anyone see what he did to Clinton Portis or Willis "the best back in the NFL" McGahee? WOW
YetAnotherSDFan
03-02-2006, 08:49 PM
I for one belive Igor is the weakest link in our D-line.
He is solid but compared to Williams power, and Castillo's atheltisism,
he is a level below them. I dont think he commands many double teams.
I would love for us to move up to draft Ngata and have a completely amazing
front 3, but i guess there are just other needs at this time and that would be
a luxury move.
IgorUnchained
03-02-2006, 09:18 PM
I said no disrespect, going off of your username I see you managed to get yourself caught up---that is your hang-up not mine
trevor pryce is 6' 6" 300 pounds and played DT for the first six years of his career-he is a physical specimen who happens to be one of only a handful of guys that have made the probowl at both DE and DT---that clearly demonstrates that he has the skills set to be a 3-4 DE-he played DT and has the quickness to be a 4-3 end---lets get one thing clear-pryce is a salary cap casualty!!!I guess the rest of the guys getting the axe around the league are a bunch of losers too huh? per your logic AJ won't bring any of those guys in either
In addition pryce has demonstrated a capacity to take over games, he is a game changer-igor is a solid starter and I don't care how much you idolize him-I like him too-but you have to recognize that olshansky is simply not at the same level athletically as pryce-trevor would be a huge upgrade next to jamal and castillo power, agility, AND speed
as for the stats-you can keep them-we both know that they don't reflect the reality on the front lines--pryce is a guy that gets doubled on every play like jamal does---if we went by stats we could find DTs with better #s than jammal williams too, but that doesn't mean they are better---if anything with jammal williams and luis castillo alongside of him olshanskys #s should be better---when you are done being a homer maybe you can come to your senses and recognize that the reason those browns did well in denver was because they had trevor pryce taking up two blockers on every play
You have alot of fire and passion in your posts....but unfortunately, you have nothing but incorrect facts and personal opinions to back them up.
I can keep the stats? OK! You can keep your opinions of me to yourself.
Trevor Pryce is not 300 lbs......you can keep that stat!!! Pryce is 286 lbs....Igor is 306 lbs......Merriman is 272 LBs.
As I said earlier, Pryce is closer to Merriman's weight than Igor's.
Not that weight is everything! Jacques Cesaire is a backup to Jamal (not my idea) and only weighs 295 lbs.
BTW- that is how you make an adult argument......not with namecalling and personal opinions.
That is officially the last time I take that BS off of you.
And if YetAnotherSDFan wants all of the linemen to rush the quarterback, maybe we should petition Wade to scrap this whole "3-4 Defense" thing he has been working with and go to the 4-3. ;)
SuperBowlBolts
03-02-2006, 10:01 PM
And if YetAnotherSDFan wants all of the linemen to rush the quarterback, maybe we should petition Wade to scrap this whole "3-4 Defense" thing he has been working with and go to the 4-3. ;)
3-4 is the way to go! 4-3 just aint for me. What made stick as a 3-4 guy was the indy game. Thats how you blitz.
IgorUnchained
03-02-2006, 10:27 PM
3-4 is the way to go! 4-3 just aint for me. What made stick as a 3-4 guy was the indy game. Thats how you blitz.
Watching the Steelers use it to perfection with Polamalu this year really showed me what could be possible with a decent draft and another year under their belts. Long live the 3-4!:Beer:
ptr77
03-02-2006, 10:51 PM
Sam Adams was just released today, he had a relatively small contract and cap number and I think he would be a great short term backup for Jamal.
If anything else, he plugs a hole that lets us not have to invest draft choices on a backup and focus on our other more prevalent areas of need.
Clancy from the giants is a FA, was the 3rd string nt on the steelers before and had played end in the 3-4, he was the giants best dt last year. His motor never stops, he plays with good leverage and good lateral mobility. He wants start money however.
Other nts on the market:
Glover (better in the 3-4 but was the starter at nt for dallas and has played it b4)
Kemoeatu (young but will be pricy 6-4, 350, strong as an ox)
Adams (old but still good, not sure if he is a good 2 gap player seeing as how the run d went down badly after Pat Williams left)
Ted Washington will probably be cut as well and he is still a force against the run, he is very old too.
I'm not sure but wasn't Chris Hovan a nt too? I think he was but a 4-3 nt, he gets by on pure effort and determination.
All these guys will get paid more than an avg starting dts money.
boltskickass21
03-02-2006, 11:14 PM
Sam Adams at a good price is ok, but just remember that Castillo can bump over if god forbid the big man goes down.
YetAnotherSDFan
03-03-2006, 03:43 PM
... And if YetAnotherSDFan wants all of the linemen to rush the quarterback, maybe we should petition Wade to scrap this whole "3-4 Defense" thing he has been working with and go to the 4-3. ;)
Hey Igor, I never said anything of the sort, what i did say and would like your know your opinion is the following
"... Igor is the weakest link in our D-line.
He is solid but compared to Williams power, and Castillo's atheltisism,
he is a level below them."
I doubt that you would agree but there is nothing there about pass rushing. Perhaps you were given that impression because I wrtote
" I would love for us to move up to draft Ngata and have a completely amazing
front 3, but i guess there are just other needs at this time and that would be
a luxury move."
However, there again I said front 3 leaving me to wonder where the conection to the 4-3 came from.
Wouldnt you think that adding a guy of Ngata's abilities would be beneficial... even if it means possibly substituting one of our current starters?
Moreover, my realpoint is that IMO Castillo is better than Igor, Williams is better than Castillo, hence Igor is the weakest linj of those 3.