View Full Version : Nate Burleson for a 3rd round pick?
Burleson could really help the Chargers - he's young (25 in Aug.) and was a 1000 yard receiver in 2004.
Vikings | Team tenders Burleson [KFFL]
Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:32:20 -0800
Jeff Zulgad, of the Star Tribune, reports the Minnesota Vikings placed the lowest tender offer on restricted free agent WR Nate Burleson. He was given a tender offer that is worth $712,000 and would result in the team getting a draft pick equal to the round in which Burleson was selected (third) if he goes elsewhere. Burleson's agent, Jack Scharf, did not seem discouraged by the Vikings' offer. "Negotiations will be ongoing to see if we can get a long-term deal for Nate," Scharf said. "More will come to light pending a ratification of the collective bargaining agreement."
LTfan4life
03-03-2006, 12:16 PM
I'd like em. He's a young, big, physical WR. The only problem is the Vikes woul dretain him with all their 20+ million in cap space.
HeadTrip
03-03-2006, 12:26 PM
We will sooner see scientific evidence of the existance of God than AJ parting with a draft pick.
Sanitation Man
03-03-2006, 12:33 PM
I don't see this happening. As HeadTrip stated, I also don't see AJ parting with that pick. The other is I believe the Chargers are banking on VJ stepping up and becoming the "other receiving playmaker".
We will sooner see scientific evidence of the existance of God than AJ parting with a draft pick.
True, but you can't draft a proven WR in the 3rd round. He seems to be the type of guy that benefits by being a complementary WR rather than the star. With the Chargers he'd be the #3 option behind Gates and McCardell.
True, but you can't draft a proven WR in the 3rd round. He seems to be the type of guy that benefits by being a complementary WR rather than the star. With the Chargers he'd be the #3 option behind Gates and McCardell.
I think Gates is the number 1 receiver but Nate would be thrown in the mix with Mac and Parker.
bigruday
03-03-2006, 01:27 PM
Nate for a third round pick. Nate is proven and a third round pick you never know if he is going to pan out!
TheIceCreamMan
03-03-2006, 01:27 PM
OMG are u serious.....ive wanted him eveer since he came outa college...
hes soo goood!!!! 3rd round pick for him wuld be such a steal...
We have to get him.... he is a true #1 reciever and ill be so stoked if we get um!!!!
chargers find a way to get him...and ur offense will be unstoppbale
baddass4444
03-03-2006, 01:29 PM
Burleson could really help the Chargers - he's young (25 in Aug.) and was a 1000 yard receiver in 2004.
Would be a solid pickup. We were probably gonna spend a 1-3 round pick on WR, so why not get a guy with expereince. We can also focus on OL and DB for the 1st and 2nd rounds.
Question: If we traded a 3rd round pick would we pay him the 754,000 salary?
LT LT LT
03-03-2006, 01:30 PM
I think this is a great idea. Can not over pay for him but a third rounder for his talent is a great deal. He truly can be a number 1 wide reciever.
TheIceCreamMan
03-03-2006, 01:30 PM
none of the recievers in the draft equal up to Burleson's quality
bigruday
03-03-2006, 01:45 PM
none of the recievers in the draft equal up to Burleson's quality
I agree this isn't a great WR class and we could use another young proven WR who is only 25. He is not expensive either. I did not know about this I would be super excited if this happened!
SuperMatt
03-03-2006, 02:01 PM
We will sooner see scientific evidence of the existance of God than AJ parting with a draft pick.
The Chargers have acquired veteran offensive tackle Roman Oben in a trade with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in exchange for a fifth-round pick in 2005. He is expected to join the team in time for Mini Camp on Friday.
The Bucs' disgruntled receiver was traded to San Diego in exchange for the Chargers' third- and sixth-round picks in the 2005 draft. Tampa Bay also could receive an additional fifth-rounder if McCardell makes the Pro Bowl this year or in 2005.
A 3rd pick for Burleson would be a friggin' steal. I'd pull the trigger on that right NOW!
The Vikes dont want him anymore that is why they used a low tender. They know some one will pick him up and want compensation. They have/are working signing K. Robinson, K.Cambell, T.Williamson. I would give up a 3rd for him.
TheIceCreamMan
03-03-2006, 02:49 PM
OmG.... iw ant him soo badly...he is such a great Reciver...
defintly #1 and if AJ doesnt hit on him quick..hell be gone in a snap!...
dserrano86
03-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Who is Nate Burleson?
Did he play for the Minnesota Vikings last season?
We don't need another average WR on our team.
LT LT LT
03-03-2006, 03:04 PM
Who is Nate Burleson?
Did he play for the Minnesota Vikings last season?
We don't need another average WR on our team.
The guy is not average that is for sure. Not only could he be a future #1 reciever but he is explosive. This guy can stretch the field. Two years ago when Moss went down this guy put up numbers close to what Moss had been doing. I like this fit.
IgorUnchained
03-03-2006, 03:06 PM
I would normally pass, but Burleson is exactly what this team is looking for in a #2 WR right now. He played better than Troy Williamson last season IMO, and Burleson is a great deep guy. The Vikings had a horrible season under Culpepper, but they did turn it on at the end of the season under Brad Johnson. Burleson was a big part of their success in a year where they were beat up, understaffed, short handed, and just plain bad.
He would be a steal for this team for just a 3rd round pick (in a year where the Bolts have 9 picks). Buleson would benefit from having a much better cast of characters around him, and would provide a deep threat option (and much more) without breaking the bank.
dserrano86
03-03-2006, 03:11 PM
I would normally pass, but Burleson is exactly what this team is looking for in a #2 WR right now. He played better than Troy Williamson last season IMO, and Burleson is a great deep guy. The Vikings had a horrible season under Culpepper, but they did turn it on at the end of the season under Brad Johnson. Burleson was a big part of their success in a year where they were beat up, understaffed, short handed, and just plain bad.
He would be a steal for this team for just a 3rd round pick (in a year where the Bolts have 9 picks). Buleson would benefit from having a much better cast of characters around him, and would provide a deep threat option (and much more) without breaking the bank.
I am looking at this guy's stats and he only had 328 yds receiving last season. And even more dissapointing, only one TD.
I don't know how the Chargers organization can take this guy seriously.
psychofan
03-03-2006, 03:16 PM
I got serious doubts that the Viking's would part with a reciever like Burleson for only a 3rd round pick.
IgorUnchained
03-03-2006, 03:21 PM
I got serious doubts that the Viking's would part with a reciever like Burleson for only a 3rd round pick.
They got rid of Randy Moss and are shopping Duante Culpepper right now. Chris Hovan is a Buc.....Smoot is almost out the door. This is a serious rebuilding time for the Vikings and it looks like Zygi Wulf just wants to clean house and wipe the slate clean.
bolts4ever21
03-03-2006, 03:35 PM
AJ parting with a draft pick is highly unlikely. And a 3rd round pick too, he's keeping that. Yes, it would be nice to bring a WR into the mix, but not pressing. The Oline is the biggest hole we need to fix. We have the best back in football, just imagine the things he could do with a quality line. Wow!!!
Boltz2175
03-03-2006, 03:50 PM
I think this would be a steal!!! Burleson would be great for Rivers and the rest of the team...besides if we pick up another Wide Receiver then we have one more draft pick to help out the secondary and O-line!!!
TheIceCreamMan
03-03-2006, 05:20 PM
I am looking at this guy's stats and he only had 328 yds receiving last season. And even more dissapointing, only one TD.
I don't know how the Chargers organization can take this guy seriously.
he was hurt all of the season.... besides that he had 1000 yards his first year or sumthin like that
dserrano86
03-03-2006, 05:28 PM
he was hurt all of the season.... besides that he had 1000 yards his first year or sumthin like that
He was only hurt 4 games, no?
56lightsout56
03-03-2006, 06:45 PM
Burleson would be a good pickup for a 3rd round pick. It still leaves you a 1st and a 2nd for a Safety and an OL, plus what you do in FA. But prying first day picks off AJ is like trying to pry open a Catholic school girl's thighs (legal age of course).
SDchargersLT21
03-03-2006, 07:47 PM
Nate Burleson, a steal for a 3rd round pick ...hes better then any Reciever in the darft, let alone 3rd round quality!!!!!
definitly pick him up
Dunder-Mifflin
03-03-2006, 07:59 PM
Why doesnt anyone talk about VJ.....? this guy has the tools to be a great wideout yet averyone thinks the chargers are desperate for another rookie wideout....I agree with the idea of bringing in someone like burleson for a 3rd rounder, but im not ready to give up on VJ as a #1
TheIceCreamMan
03-03-2006, 08:04 PM
VJ is a great player but with Burelson and VJ number 1 and 2 omg our wideouts wuld be great
Boltfan92153
03-03-2006, 08:14 PM
I started a thread about VJ recently, Burleson is a good pickup because then we can hae our 1-2 round picks as o-line/ DB.
SDBolts21
03-03-2006, 08:56 PM
yea VJ burleson and Kmac on the field with Gates and LT, our offense is awesome! and that frees up draft choices in that we can just go after our primary needs. Lets get Nate.
knowsthebolt
03-03-2006, 09:19 PM
I'm not sure about Burleson he struggled last year as the #1 receeiver, yes I know he wouldn't be a 1 here, but if the Chargers want a down field threat through fa why not go after Kevin Curtis of the Rams he too is a RFA and he has produced in a offense similiar to what the Chargers run.
Well we will have another third round pick via Brees leaving, so it's not all that bad an idea.
JoeMcRugby
03-03-2006, 10:57 PM
Well we will have another third round pick via Brees leaving, so it's not all that bad an idea.
Although the pick isn't guaranteed (but I think it will happen), a compensatory pick for Brees wouldn't be awarded until March 2007 for the 2007 draft.
Just want to make sure we're clear on that. :Beer:
JoeMcRugby
03-03-2006, 11:01 PM
I'd like em. He's a young, big, physical WR. The only problem is the Vikes woul dretain him with all their 20+ million in cap space.
Exactly. All the Vikes will have to do is match the offer and they have Burleson locked up in a long-term deal.
It's just like with the Chargers regarding Wilhelm.
The Vikes have plenty of cap room and aren't going to let him go. They're willing to let another team set the "market rate" for Burleson so that he'll be happy with a long-term deal he signs with the Vikes.
The reality is that very few restricted free agents get offer sheets from other teams unless the team holding the rights is stuck up against the cap and may not be able to match the offer.
That won't be the case with Burleson and the Vikings. Like Wilhelm, Burleson won't be going anywhere.
SinCityBoltFan
03-04-2006, 12:46 AM
Say we trade our 3rd rounder for Burleson. 25 yrs old.
Then in FA we sign that WR from Cleveland that they dont seem interested in re-signing. The one who lead the team in recieving yards with over 1,000 yds. He is only 25 also.
We have VJ who may be ready next year, but because off his injury issues, may take another two or three.
PArker has been solid, but Burleson & the guy from Cleveland are deep threats. We may not have to re-sign him.
K-Mac can only be so productive for so long.
Now i know that you guys feel that WR is not a big need right now, but with Burleson (25), Cle WR (25), VJ (23), LT (28), and AG (26 or 7), we would have weapons for Phil Rivers for years to come.
K-Mac may feel as if the Chargers are trying to push him towards retirement, but if he were a true team leader, he would understand that the team is trying to look towards the future.
The only losers in this ordeal are Parker and Osgood. Though they are both fan favorites, Parkers may see his spot on the depth chart slip and would then asked to be cut so he could play #3 elsewhere (maybe with Brees). Osgood has already expressed his concerns for being a #5 guy, but if K-Mac retires after the season, he'll be back to #4 which he is okay with. They may be fan favorites, but this is a business.
JoeMcRugby
03-04-2006, 12:59 AM
Say we trade our 3rd rounder for Burleson. 25 yrs old.
You can't trade for Nate Burleson.
He's a restricted free agent who has been tendered a contract offer by his current team.
What the Chargers can do is the following:
(1) Approach Burleson's agent with an offer of a long-term deal.
(2) Burleson's agent takes the offer and presents it to the Vikings.
(3) The Vikings then have 7 days to match the offer.
(4) If the Vikings (who have even more room under the salary cap than the Chargers) match the offer, Burleson is a Viking for the next several years.
(5) If the Vikings GM suddenly becomes senile and declines to match the offer, the Chargers give up their 2006 third round pick.
Those are the rules of restricted free agency. No trades are allowed and it's next to impossible to get a restricted free agent if the team holding his rights still want him.
The Vikings still want Burleson. Sadly, as much as we wish and want for it to come true, the reality is that it just ain't gonna happen.
SinCityBoltFan
03-04-2006, 01:06 AM
you know what i meant. doesn't matter. i am sorry for wording my statement wrong. what did you think of the rest though.
Although the pick isn't guaranteed (but I think it will happen), a compensatory pick for Brees wouldn't be awarded until March 2007 for the 2007 draft.
Just want to make sure we're clear on that. :Beer:
A compensatory pick cannot be traded either, correct?
TheIceCreamMan
03-04-2006, 06:23 AM
i was lookin at websites and such about the vikings .... and there freeing up cap room, so fur sher they are letting go of him cuz he was a disapointment for them cuz they wanted him tor eplace randy moss...
Vikings have
Marcus Robinson
Troy Williamson
Travis Taylor
Koren Robinson
Nate Burelson
and more but those dont get many balls
so u see they are gettin rid of many people and they are ready to give Nate up..since they have 4/more recievers
Rivers2Gates
03-04-2006, 08:17 AM
I am pretty willing to bet that AJ doesnt sign ONE big name guy. he will find someone with "potential" and pick him up for cheap. he will probably sign four of those guys.
FanSince1979
03-04-2006, 08:23 AM
No thanks. We need a deep threat WR. He only ran a 4.51 40 yard dash at the combine in 2003. He does have a great vertical though: 42 1/2"
JoeMcRugby
03-04-2006, 08:42 AM
I am pretty willing to bet that AJ doesnt sign ONE big name guy. he will find someone with "potential" and pick him up for cheap. he will probably sign four of those guys.
Bet? Did someone say "bet"? :Beer:
Since Burleson is a restricted free agent on a team with more than $20 million in cap space, he won't bet the "one".
IMO Signing a couple of o-linemen, a safety and another ILB in free agency must be done first before bringing in a WR to glue wither VJ's, McCardell's or Parker's butt to the bench.
FanSince1979
03-04-2006, 08:48 AM
The Chargers talked to eight (8) WR's at the combine. I expect a WR to be drafted by our Bolts in the first or second round.
Below is a list of WR's the Chargers have talked with: (http://www.nextlevelscoutinginc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=1&PHPSESSID=c5d52f659f0f8aabe6196aa620931610)
WR/KR Sinorice Moss, Miami
WR Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame
WR Greg Jennings, Western Michigan
WR Jonathan Orr, Wisconsin
WR Todd Watkins, BYU
WR Mike Haas, Oregon State
WR/KR Brandon Williams, Wisconsin
WR Marques Colston, Hofstra
LT LT LT
03-04-2006, 01:37 PM
I think they would let burelson walk and take the 3 round pick. And if not at least we took a shot at him. My only concern is the supposed 40 time he ran. When I have watched him play he seemed fast and like a real deep threat so... I will have to go look and see if i can find his 40 time. His job would be to stretch the field in a hurry
FanSince1979
03-04-2006, 01:40 PM
I think they would let burelson walk and take the 3 round pick. And if not at least we took a shot at him. My only concern is the supposed 40 time he ran. When I have watched him play he seemed fast and like a real deep threat so... I will have to go look and see if i can find his 40 time. His job would be to stretch the field in a hurryLT,
I looked up his 40 time (4.51) at nfldraftscout.com. I have a paid subscription with that website, and it is a very reputable website.
JoeMcRugby
03-04-2006, 03:31 PM
LT,
I looked up his 40 time (4.51) at nfldraftscout.com. I have a paid subscription with that website, and it is a very reputable website.
Here is a link to the NFL.com "Prospect Page" for Nate Burleson. Like yours, Fan, it lists his combine electonic timed 40 yard dash time as 4.51.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/burleson_nate
VJ is 5 inches taller and 45 pounds heavier than Nate.
VJ tested .05 seconds faster in the 40 yard dash, .08 seconds faster in the 20 yard dash, .02 seconds faster in the 10 yard dash, and has a vertical jump of 39 inches as compared to Burleson's excellent 42 inches.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/jackson_vincent
Plus VJ is already under contract for the next five seasons. :Bolt:
I can see AJ adding another WR somewhere in the first four rounds in April (which round depends on how many the more urgent holes (o-line, secondary and ILB) are filled in free agency, but I if any receiver is added to the roster, it will probably be a veteran TE IMO.
Farmer808
03-04-2006, 03:31 PM
burelson is good, but I much rather have kevin Curtis from the Rams, He's fast, and he played well this season when isaac bruce was injured
No thanks. We need a deep threat WR. He only ran a 4.51 40 yard dash at the combine in 2003. He does have a great vertical though: 42 1/2"
Well, there's 40 speed and then there's game speed. This kid seperated himself from cb's in Minn. so when I see a 4.51 40 I'm not concerned. That's good enough speed where not many people would catch him from behind. He's strong and tough. He goes over the middle and does not aligator arm balls. I wonder what Mac's 40 would be if he ran it right now?
people keed talking like we need a deep threat. A deep threat is OVERRATED, just look at Ashlie Lelie. He's a great deep threat but a mediocre WR at best. I say get him. I'm not convinced there's a WR in the 3rd round that could come in and make an immediate impact he would.
There's also factors in the combine to weigh. Was he hurt? Soar? good/bad starts? These things would DRAMAICALLY impact your 40 time, so don't look deep into that if he's as productive as he's been.
burelson is good, but I much rather have kevin Curtis from the Rams, He's fast, and he played well this season when isaac bruce was injured
Curtis hasn't been nearly as productive as Burelson has been. Speed don't mean anything if you're not productive. And Burelson has been the Vikings #1 threat the past couple years, even with Moss on the team (only cuz he was hurt).
SinCityBoltFan
03-04-2006, 04:53 PM
What about Antonio Bryant from Cleveland. The teams considers themselves deep at WR and therefore will not resign him.
Ht: 6-1 Wt: 192
PRO: An athletic playmaker who has a flare for making the difficult reception, Antonio Bryant came into the NFL with impressive credentials and answered the calling with a very productive rookie season. He has all the tools necessary to develop into a dominant receiver in the NFL for years to come. As a rookie, he displayed the ability to catch the ball in a crowd, while also being able to make the leaping catch. Bryant has 4.43 speed in the forty to go along with solid leaping ability and excellent focus. His natural elusiveness and ability to run after catching the ball contributed to a team-high 16.7 yards-per-catch average that was the best among all NFC receivers in 2002. Bryant was the second of two Cowboys second-round draft choices (63rd overall) in 2002.
not listed is that he had 1,009 recieving yards for Cleveland last year, leading the team
Why doesnt anyone talk about VJ.....? this guy has the tools to be a great wideout yet averyone thinks the chargers are desperate for another rookie wideout....I agree with the idea of bringing in someone like burleson for a 3rd rounder, but im not ready to give up on VJ as a #1
No need to give up on VJ - most of us still have hopes that he'll become a top WR. However, McCardell doesn't have much time left and Parker should be a #3. Being able to get Burleson for a 3rd and a decent contract would be a nice deal. VJ, Burleson and Parker at WR would be a solid WR group in a couple years. I like Chad Jackson, but the Chargers would get to use the 1st round pick on OT and still be able to get a good WR.
What about Antonio Bryant from Cleveland. The teams considers themselves deep at WR and therefore will not resign him.
Ht: 6-1 Wt: 192
PRO: An athletic playmaker who has a flare for making the difficult reception, Antonio Bryant came into the NFL with impressive credentials and answered the calling with a very productive rookie season. He has all the tools necessary to develop into a dominant receiver in the NFL for years to come. As a rookie, he displayed the ability to catch the ball in a crowd, while also being able to make the leaping catch. Bryant has 4.43 speed in the forty to go along with solid leaping ability and excellent focus. His natural elusiveness and ability to run after catching the ball contributed to a team-high 16.7 yards-per-catch average that was the best among all NFC receivers in 2002. Bryant was the second of two Cowboys second-round draft choices (63rd overall) in 2002.
not listed is that he had 1,009 recieving yards for Cleveland last year, leading the team
He had personality issues with the Cowboys, but he's a talented WR. There must be something else going on or the Browns are that confident about Edwards' recovery.
JoeMcRugby
03-04-2006, 05:44 PM
Well, there's 40 speed and then there's game speed. This kid seperated himself from cb's in Minn. so when I see a 4.51 40 I'm not concerned. That's good enough speed where not many people would catch him from behind. He's strong and tough. He goes over the middle and does not aligator arm balls. I wonder what Mac's 40 would be if he ran it right now?
people keed talking like we need a deep threat. A deep threat is OVERRATED, just look at Ashlie Lelie. He's a great deep threat but a mediocre WR at best. I say get him. I'm not convinced there's a WR in the 3rd round that could come in and make an immediate impact he would.
There's also factors in the combine to weigh. Was he hurt? Soar? good/bad starts? These things would DRAMAICALLY impact your 40 time, so don't look deep into that if he's as productive as he's been.
Dojo, it's not a matter of whether Burleson is worth a third round pick. Of course he is.
Since the Vikings have more than $20 million available under the cap, it's a slam dunk given that the Vikes are going to match any offer sheet that Robinson signs unless someone is willing to give Nate an outrageous contract that pays him top 10 WR money.
Since Burleson isn't a top 40 WR in my book, no team is likely to sign him to an offer sheet. It's generally a waste of time and effort going after a restricted free agent unless (1) the team holding the restricted free agent's rights have little cap room to match an offer, and (2) the player is a huge difference maker. Neither condition is present with the prototypical #2 WR Burleson.
You can probably count on one hand the number of restricted free agents who have been signed away from the team holding the player's rights over the last five years. For the life of me, the only one I really remember is when the Skins took Lavernious Coles away from the Jets in 2004.
Does anyone recall any others?
boltskickass21
03-04-2006, 11:53 PM
We could use a reciever, but he is not worth a third rounder. I would maybe give up a 4th or 5th, but with VJ there is no neccessary need.
No need to give up on VJ - most of us still have hopes that he'll become a top WR. However, McCardell doesn't have much time left and Parker should be a #3. Being able to get Burleson for a 3rd and a decent contract would be a nice deal. VJ, Burleson and Parker at WR would be a solid WR group in a couple years. I like Chad Jackson, but the Chargers would get to use the 1st round pick on OT and still be able to get a good WR.
Parker is too reliable in tough spots to be a #3.
TheIceCreamMan
03-05-2006, 08:43 AM
Dojo, it's not a matter of whether Burleson is worth a third round pick. Of course he is.
Since the Vikings have more than $20 million available under the cap, it's a slam dunk given that the Vikes are going to match any offer sheet that Robinson signs unless someone is willing to give Nate an outrageous contract that pays him top 10 WR money.
Since Burleson isn't a top 40 WR in my book, no team is likely to sign him to an offer sheet. It's generally a waste of time and effort going after a restricted free agent unless (1) the team holding the restricted free agent's rights have little cap room to match an offer, and (2) the player is a huge difference maker. Neither condition is present with the prototypical #2 WR Burleson.
You can probably count on one hand the number of restricted free agents who have been signed away from the team holding the player's rights over the last five years. For the life of me, the only one I really remember is when the Skins took Lavernious Coles away from the Jets in 2004.
Does anyone recall any others?
like i said before -
Vikings have
Marcus Robinson
Troy Williamson
Travis Taylor
Koren Robinson
Nate Burelson
and more but those dont get many balls
Vikings said he was a dissapointment .... (iono why) so u see they are gettin rid of many people(freeing up Cap ro0m) and they are ready to give Nate up..since they have 4/more recievers