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RMANCIL
03-14-2006, 02:56 PM
1) SF- Bush RB
Trade with Houston give up 2nd 06- 1st 07-3 07
Fills huge need ( extra 3 06 make this work for SF)

2) Tenn - Matt Leinart QB USC
Titians move up to grab the QB and give up a 2# round pick

3) Saints -Mario Williams DE North Carolina St.
Saints grab huge DE + EXTRA 2ND round pick

4) NY Jets Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
Key is Ramsey who is on market still

5) Green Bay Packers AJ Hawk LB Ohio State

6) Houston D’Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia DT Florida State
Trade land player they wanted all along and picks

7) Oakland Vince Young QB Texas

8) Buffalo Bills Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

9) Detroit Vernon Davis TE Maryland
Like a moth to a flame Det-OFF players

10) Arizona Cardinals Michael Huff FS Texas

11) St. Louis Rams Broderick Bunkley DL Florida State

12) Cleveland Browns Chad Greenway OLB Iowa

13) Baltimore Jimmy Williams DB Virginia Tech

14) Philadelphia LenDale White RB Southern Cal

15) Atlanta Winston Justice OT USC
Falcons lose starting OLT grab Justice who may force Todd Weiner to ROT

16) Miami Dolphins Tye Hill DC Clemson

17) Minnesota Vikings DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis

18) Dallas Cowboys Andrew Whitworth OT
Cowboys have huge OT needs just like S.D.

19) San Diego Chargers Eric Winston, OT Miami
Whit gone ,Winston next best needs coaching , Rivers must have OT

20) Kansas City Chiefs Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State

21) New England Patriots Jason Allen DB Tennessee
great combine shoots him up

22) Denver Broncos (F/Was) Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
Best fit of TE on board for their system

23) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Ernie Sims LB Florida State
Great combine he is shooting up the boards

24) Cincinnati Bengals Gabe Watson DT Michigan
If he stays motivated great DL

25) NY Giants Manny Lawson LB North Carolina State
Great OLB canidate , huge speed

26) Chicago Bears Ashton Youboty DC Ohio State
Size matters , speed , practice vs the best.

27) Carolina Panthers DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
Falls a little very fast and Smart

28) Jacksonville Jaguars Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
Huge powerfull man blows people off los

29) Denver Broncos Chad Jackson WR Florida
Smith is getting way up in age

30) Indianapolis Colts Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
Edge is gone fits a big time need

31) Seattle Seahawks Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma
Lose OG Hutch to Vikes reload

32) Pittsburgh Sinorice Moss WR Miami
lost Antwaan Randle El

There is the latest draft on the net baby. 3-14-06

TheIceCreamMan
03-14-2006, 02:58 PM
I wuld rather have Santonio Holmes

LTfan4life
03-14-2006, 02:58 PM
Mercedes Lewis ahead of big Leonard Pope :confused:

RMANCIL
03-14-2006, 03:00 PM
Lewis ahead of Pope :confused:

For Denver he is a better receiving threat.

Charger Dave
03-14-2006, 03:00 PM
Looks about right to me RMAN - but now watch Dallas take Justice and let Whit drop to us! :D

RMANCIL
03-14-2006, 03:01 PM
I wuld rather have Santonio Holmes

The Bolts must land a OT , we may see them go after Molds as a FA WR .

LTfan4life
03-14-2006, 03:03 PM
For Denver he is a better receiving threat.

Eh...I don't see him falling out of round 1. The Jags, Panthers, Bears, Broncos, Bengals would all like a TE. Nice mock though, besides that one.

RMANCIL
03-14-2006, 03:03 PM
Looks about right to me RMAN - but now watch Dallas take Justice and let Whit drop to us! :D

Justice will go to Atla based on them losing a OT in F.A.

Dallas has to have a ROT and Whit can play ROT where Winston can't.

LTwith2200
03-14-2006, 03:05 PM
As great a prospect Mario is, I feel that NO will take Ferguson (and have Brown play RT) or AJ Hawk before Mario. But Mario is a freak and not a bd pick.

Since Chad redid his contract I believe Ferguson is a better pick than Cutler. I see the Jets picking up a guy like Croyle or Jacobs in the 3rd.

I don't think Atlanta needs OT help. They need Secondary help. A guy like Hill or Simpson would be good for them.

Gabe Watson is not a first. He was caught with some weed, and altough the charges were dropped, it was not b/c he was innocent. (or So I've heard)

Good Charger Pick. Although I wish Justice fell, Winston is great.

RMANCIL
03-14-2006, 03:11 PM
Eh...I don't see him falling out of round 1. The Jags, Panthers, Bears, Broncos, Bengals would all like a TE. Nice mock though, besides that one.

This is a great TE class , as such we may see teams draft positions that lack the same depth , the Jags want both a TE and a OG could go either way.

Panthers lost a couple of defensive players one to the Bolts and OLB Whitherspoon and they are a club built around defense and ball control , Ryans fell a bit in this draft so he is a real good value here.

Bears are short one starting CB and the GM is on record that CB is first on their board.

Broncos draft a TE in this mock.

Bengals first need is DT.

RMANCIL
03-14-2006, 03:16 PM
As great a prospect Mario is, I feel that NO will take Ferguson (and have Brown play RT) or AJ Hawk before Mario. But Mario is a freak and not a bd pick.

Since Chad redid his contract I believe Ferguson is a better pick than Cutler. I see the Jets picking up a guy like Croyle or Jacobs in the 3rd.

I don't think Atlanta needs OT help. They need Secondary help. A guy like Hill or Simpson would be good for them.

Gabe Watson is not a first. He was caught with some weed, and altough the charges were dropped, it was not b/c he was innocent. (or So I've heard)

Good Charger Pick. Although I wish Justice fell, Winston is great.

Atlanta lost OT K. Shaffer to the Browns as a F.A. they will protect Vick and being that he is a Left handed QB and ROT is Justices position he played in College.....I see them moving Weiner to LOT .

Got to run gang....

RMANCIL
03-14-2006, 06:41 PM
As great a prospect Mario is, I feel that NO will take Ferguson (and have Brown play RT) or AJ Hawk before Mario. But Mario is a freak and not a bd pick.

Since Chad redid his contract I believe Ferguson is a better pick than Cutler. I see the Jets picking up a guy like Croyle or Jacobs in the 3rd.

I don't think Atlanta needs OT help. They need Secondary help. A guy like Hill or Simpson would be good for them.

Gabe Watson is not a first. He was caught with some weed, and altough the charges were dropped, it was not b/c he was innocent. (or So I've heard)

Good Charger Pick. Although I wish Justice fell, Winston is great.

Do you have a link on Watson and the weed charge , I have never heard that nor can I find any such report.

LTwith2200
03-14-2006, 06:58 PM
Do you have a link on Watson and the weed charge , I have never heard that nor can I find any such report.
lol my bad, I thought you had that pick as Wroten.

ChargerDawg
03-14-2006, 08:32 PM
Greenway is falling faster than a ton of Bricks.

Lawson is a better pick. Hybrid DE/LB with rush skills.

lightsout1987
03-14-2006, 08:40 PM
I would like a Chad Jackson or a Santonio Holmes instead of a lineman, we can get Jonathon Scott in the second. We need more weapons for Rivers!!!! A young speedster would be nice!

Tomlinson21
03-14-2006, 10:29 PM
Brees....er Rivers... needs OL no doubt. But if Holmes is there @ 19 - we should take him.

then in Round 2 we should take Avant, Haas or Hagans at WR....

Or just look at my Draft sig below....out!

RMANCIL
03-15-2006, 03:42 AM
I would like a Chad Jackson or a Santonio Holmes instead of a lineman, we can get Jonathon Scott in the second. We need more weapons for Rivers!!!! A young speedster would be nice!

If history teaches us anything remember 2003 and Brees , if you were a fan at that time you won't rest until we get a OLT.

Scott is falling he struggled some with speed rushers and isn't a strong run blocker. His combine numbers also hurt him.

What if he is gone before your second round pick ?

Kiss 2006 season good bye.

Most QB struggle completing passes from the seat of their paints ,couple that with most wr take three seasons to mature into productive players.

RMANCIL
03-15-2006, 03:47 AM
Brees....er Rivers... needs OL no doubt. But if Holmes is there @ 19 - we should take him.

then in Round 2 we should take Avant, Haas or Hagans at WR....

Or just look at my Draft sig below....out!

Then you think we should just issue a cape to Rivers and send him to Mexico so that he can get in some early practice with the Bulls.

Oben ability to play this year isn't clear at all at this time couple that with the age factor mix in a green QB and brother we had better get a LOT.

RMANCIL
03-15-2006, 04:00 AM
As great a prospect Mario is, I feel that NO will take Ferguson (and have Brown play RT) or AJ Hawk before Mario. But Mario is a freak and not a bd pick.

Since Chad redid his contract I believe Ferguson is a better pick than Cutler. I see the Jets picking up a guy like Croyle or Jacobs in the 3rd.

I don't think Atlanta needs OT help. They need Secondary help. A guy like Hill or Simpson would be good for them.

Gabe Watson is not a first. He was caught with some weed, and altough the charges were dropped, it was not b/c he was innocent. (or So I've heard)

Good Charger Pick. Although I wish Justice fell, Winston is great.

The Jets re did Penningtons contract that doesn't mean that Chad will play this season or ever for that matter , unless they like one of the QB on their roster and Bollinger had his moments then you have to figure QB , of course Ramsey is also a possibility.

Watson is not Worten , Watson is a stud he stood out big time during the Senior Bowl his issue is keeping his motor running .

I would be shocked to see Hawk come off the board ahead of Williams , not becuase Hawk isn't a stud but becuase Williams is a bigger stud , in the N.F.L. size always matters and 295 LB players who can line up any where in your front 7 are very special.

phillychargerfan
03-15-2006, 05:53 AM
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18) Dallas Cowboys Andrew Whitworth OT
Cowboys have huge OT needs just like S.D.

19) San Diego Chargers Eric Winston, OT Miami
Whit gone ,Winston next best needs coaching , Rivers must have OT


24) Cincinnati Bengals Gabe Watson DT Michigan
If he stays motivated great DL


27) Carolina Panthers DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
Falls a little very fast and Smart

28) Jacksonville Jaguars Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
Huge powerfull man blows people off los

31) Seattle Seahawks Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma
Lose OG Hutch to Vikes reload

32) Pittsburgh Sinorice Moss WR Miami
lost Antwaan Randle El

There is the latest draft on the net baby. 3-14-06

WOW, you realy think that many guards are going in the 1st!?!?!

Ryans, Moss, Watson I can't see in the 1st.

Why would Dallas take Whitworth and leave the better prospect (Winston) on the board for us, ohh wait they did that last year. Never mind LOL

gwpeterson5
03-15-2006, 06:32 AM
17) Minnesota Vikings DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis

18) Dallas Cowboys Andrew Whitworth OT
Cowboys have huge OT needs just like S.D.

19) San Diego Chargers Eric Winston, OT Miami
Whit gone ,Winston next best needs coaching , Rivers must have OT

20) Kansas City Chiefs Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State

21) New England Patriots Jason Allen DB Tennessee
great combine shoots him up

3-14-06

Minessotta will not call on williams considering they already signed their feature back in chester taylor and they already have a third-down back in moore. Other than that good mock, I definitely see us going OT in 1st round, I HATE seeing mocks with us going for Jackson and Holmes ... niether of them would have an immediate impact ... and I hope jason allen falls to the 2nd so we can get this stud!

RMANCIL
03-15-2006, 06:37 AM
WOW, you realy think that many guards are going in the 1st!?!?!

Ryans, Moss, Watson I can't see in the 1st.

Why would Dallas take Whitworth and leave the better prospect (Winston) on the board for us, ohh wait they did that last year. Never mind LOL

Winston is a LOT he lacks the run blocking skills to play ROT which is what Dallas wants , as for as him being the better project he has some nice speed numbers and he has a ton of press the past two years however Whitworth played better , he is also stronger and he can play ROT and LOT.

Ryans has been a top 15 rated player by most folks for a very long time his combine number along with a few folks having great work outs will cause him to drop a bit but I don't think he falls out of the first round.

Moss had a great Senior Bowl he has game breaking speed 4.38 and the Steelers need a WR, couple that with the fact that this is a thin WR class and the DB group has a lot of talent which is the other need area for the Steelers .

I think they will take the WR here and get the DB perhaps in round 2#.

The Bengals struggled with stopping the run and the way to fix that is to get some size and talent in the middle. Watson is a very good DT , he killed during the Senior Bowl if he had worked harder during the regular season he would be a top 15 pick.

Watson when he comes to play can dominate the middle and in the N.F.L. you must stop the run if you want to make any dent in the playoffs. How he interviews is key .

Marvin Lewis is a defensive minded coach who has a good set of LB but his interior unit needs a stud . Watson if Lewis can keep him motivated is a player who could command double teams and that would free up last years rookie sensation MLB O. Thurman to make a lot more plays.

phillychargerfan
03-15-2006, 06:52 AM
Winston is a LOT he lacks the run blocking skills to play ROT which is what Dallas wants , as for as him being the better project he has some nice speed numbers and he has a ton of press the past two years however Whitworth played better , he is also stronger and he can play ROT and LOT.

Ryans has been a top 15 rated player by most folks for a very long time his combine number along with a few folks having great work outs will cause him to drop a bit but I don't think he falls out of the first round.

Moss had a great Senior Bowl he has game breaking speed 4.38 and the Steelers need a WR, couple that with the fact that this is a thin WR class and the DB group has a lot of talent which is the other need area for the Steelers .

I think they will take the WR here and get the DB perhaps in round 2#.

The Bengals struggled with stopping the run and the way to fix that is to get some size and talent in the middle. Watson is a very good DT , he killed during the Senior Bowl if he had worked harder during the regular season he would be a top 15 pick.

Watson when he comes to play can dominate the middle and in the N.F.L. you must stop the run if you want to make any dent in the playoffs. How he interviews is key .

Marvin Lewis is a defensive minded coach who has a good set of LB but his interior unit needs a stud . Watson if Lewis can keep him motivated is a player who could command double teams and that would free up last years rookie sensation MLB O. Thurman to make a lot more plays.


I agree on Watson, but I would be leary taking a guy who is humping it now. Watson has the ability to be a top 10 pick, but I question his desire.

I wanted to ask you opinion on Winston and how you think he will fare as a LT, but reading your response I seem to get the feeling that your not that high on him. How do you rate the tackle class this year, and have you seen J.Toledo?? I haven't but I have read some good things about him.

RMANCIL
03-15-2006, 07:16 AM
I agree on Watson, but I would be leary taking a guy who is humping it now. Watson has the ability to be a top 10 pick, but I question his desire.

I wanted to ask you opinion on Winston and how you think he will fare as a LT, but reading your response I seem to get the feeling that your not that high on him. How do you rate the tackle class this year, and have you seen J.Toledo?? I haven't but I have read some good things about him.

I have not seen him play or at least I have not focused on him when he has played. I understand that he is a converted TE which should indiacated good feet , he also has some real good strenth numbers with 32 reps at the combine and his 10 yd time was good however his broad jump numbers 8" 3" is low and his vert number 29" is decent his 20 yd shuttle 4.65 is pretty good .

He may be a lower round guy who could make a team and become a starter in a couple of seasons based on those numbers.

What is your take on him?

phillychargerfan
03-15-2006, 07:26 AM
I have not seen him play or at least I have not focused on him when he has played. I understand that he is a converted TE which should indiacated good feet , he also has some real good strenth numbers with 32 reps at the combine and his 10 yd time was good however his broad jump numbers 8" 3" is low and his vert number 29" is decent his 20 yd shuttle 4.65 is pretty good .

He may be a lower round guy who could make a team and become a starter in a couple of seasons based on those numbers.

What is your take on him?

Samething you have, except from what I've read that with the right teaching he could end up being one of the better tackles in the draft. But it will take time. it's something that won't happen next year, but maybe with the right coaching 2 years down the road he MAY start to see some playing time. He maybe a guy we get middle of day 2 and keep on the practice squad, especially since we have 2 picks in the 6th.

If given the choice (for our line) between Joseph and Spencer do you think AJ will grab. I think it will be Spencer, I just think AJ likes those road grader types.

RMANCIL
03-15-2006, 07:31 AM
Minessotta will not call on williams considering they already signed their feature back in chester taylor and they already have a third-down back in moore. Other than that good mock, I definitely see us going OT in 1st round, I HATE seeing mocks with us going for Jackson and Holmes ... niether of them would have an immediate impact ... and I hope jason allen falls to the 2nd so we can get this stud!

The Vikes could go a few different directions and your right Taylor did sign a good size contract with them.

His past history how ever is not that good for a feature back , last year he put up some very unimpresive numbers .

He started 1 game , had 117 att for 487 yds with a avg 4.2 not exactly great numbers. 2004 -4 starts 160 att 714 yds are a little better.

I don't know for sure but the Vikings have real depth issues at RB and they have a chance to get a good one especially considering last season the were running 40 yd dash competitions with fans before the game .......:D

RMANCIL
03-15-2006, 07:41 AM
Samething you have, except from what I've read that with the right teaching he could end up being one of the better tackles in the draft. But it will take time. it's something that won't happen next year, but maybe with the right coaching 2 years down the road he MAY start to see some playing time. He maybe a guy we get middle of day 2 and keep on the practice squad, especially since we have 2 picks in the 6th.

If given the choice (for our line) between Joseph and Spencer do you think AJ will grab. I think it will be Spencer, I just think AJ likes those road grader types.


Spencer fits the mold thats for sure , a lot of teams like him a lot as well.
This draft has some real good OG and while OG gets little attention most years this class is so good I expect the top two rounds will see several players taken.

Keep you eys on Will Allen , he did not work out fully at the combine but he played pretty well at the Senior Bowl and he could be a lower round player who also fits the Charger style.

Chris Chester OL from Okla is a very interesting players who has big time speed , I don't have his numbers just yt but I understand he had a big pro day.

TBOLTZCALI
03-15-2006, 11:24 AM
Mock draft could change if Dallas grabs T.O. I would like to see the chargers move up and take vernon davis. The dude is fast enough to line up at receiver and when we run two set TE, disasterous for defenses.

phillychargerfan
03-15-2006, 06:00 PM
Mock draft could change if Dallas grabs T.O. I would like to see the chargers move up and take vernon davis. The dude is fast enough to line up at receiver and when we run two set TE, disasterous for defenses.

I wouldn't mind Davis either but you would have to get in front of the Rams at 11. What do we have that can move us in to the top 10??

phillychargerfan
03-15-2006, 06:02 PM
Spencer fits the mold thats for sure , a lot of teams like him a lot as well.
This draft has some real good OG and while OG gets little attention most years this class is so good I expect the top two rounds will see several players taken.

Keep you eys on Will Allen , he did not work out fully at the combine but he played pretty well at the Senior Bowl and he could be a lower round player who also fits the Charger style.

Chris Chester OL from Okla is a very interesting players who has big time speed , I don't have his numbers just yt but I understand he had a big pro day.

I like W.Allen as well, I think J.Henry is going to work wonders for this line.

Your right I was looking over the guards, and MAN there are some good ones, and some that may eat themselves right out of the league LOL

CHARGED UP
03-15-2006, 06:22 PM
:Bolt: :Bolt: we also need lb's and corners.Im not sold on Jammer or Davis.

boltskickass21
03-15-2006, 11:16 PM
Sorry, i dont see Tennessee moving up that one spot unless NYJ is making a strong run for it. Otherwise, decent

RMANCIL
03-16-2006, 01:55 AM
Sorry, i dont see Tennessee moving up that one spot unless NYJ is making a strong run for it. Otherwise, decent

You can be sure that the Saints don't want to draft a QB at that slot and you can bet that Chow prefers his USC QB over Young.

You also can be sure that the Jets are interested in Leinart as are several other clubs. If Leinart had come out last season he would have been the first player taken.

The Saints have clearly tipped their hand and don't have a lot of leverage so the trade won't carry a high price tag.

The Raiders and Detroit are clubs who in addition to the the Jets are likely to show some interest.

BoltzNBrew
03-16-2006, 10:33 AM
I see a lot of mocks with TEN trading up 1 spot to get Leinart. I don't see this happening for a number of reasons. NO will not get the value of the pick by trading down 1 spot, TEN could grab Cutler at #3 if NO trades down with someone else that wants Leinart. I also dont see SF trading up for Bush and giving up a 1st rounder next year. They are in rebuilding mode and will need that high pick next year. I can see OAK trading up to #2 but may take best QB available where they are now.

RMANCIL
03-16-2006, 12:04 PM
I see a lot of mocks with TEN trading up 1 spot to get Leinart. I don't see this happening for a number of reasons. NO will not get the value of the pick by trading down 1 spot, TEN could grab Cutler at #3 if NO trades down with someone else that wants Leinart. I also dont see SF trading up for Bush and giving up a 1st rounder next year. They are in rebuilding mode and will need that high pick next year. I can see OAK trading up to #2 but may take best QB available where they are now.

N.O. may not get book value but if they nab a extra 2 # the player they could take there has about the same talent as most being selected after pick 23 # in round 1# .

Cutler was a second round selection on most boards before the Senior Bowl and he did not tear up the game in fact he failed to stand out. He has a great release and a strong arm but don't get carried away with Cutler being in the same class as Leinart few rate them as any thing close to equal.

Leinart is the most ready to play QB in the draft and Chow coached him , while Cutler projects well he isn't nearly as polished at this time.

The Jets want Leinart as well , the advantage the Titans have is a better draft slot for the Saints to trade down to.

That and the fact that Tenn has been pretty active in F.A. filling needs , David Givens wr , center Kevin Mawae , Hope FS , and linebacker David Thornton.

That sets the stage pretty well and if they can get the QB they really want and the Saints get a extra 2# in this draft that would make both clubs real happy.

The Saints need a LOT and a DT in this draft and they could get both and a ILB in round 3#.

The Saints also would save some cap money basically moving back 1 slot and still drafting the same player they most likely would pick anyway D’Brickashaw Ferguson .

SF needs a RB real bad to help the young QB and again Houston really would rather have a OL or a TE and I understand that Davis is getting some play.

SF would have a marketing bonanza if they could get Bush he fits a big time need for them much more so than Houston.

Texan head coach Kubiak will be running the Denver offense which does not require nor value RB like a lot of other clubs. Remember the Portis trade and the list of RB drafted in lower rounds who have done very well in that offense .

Nothing is a lock but word has been that the Texans would love to trade back and with that trade that would also set them up to take Young who would put a ton of fans in the seats and allow him a season or two to get coached up.

Two other players that would stand out and could step in and help the Texans day one include Mario Williams DE , D’Brickashaw Ferguson OT , AND Vernon Davis TE.

Davis has the talent to make a huge impact for Houston and we know how the Denver offense loves fast TE to attack the middle of the defense and take some of the pressure off QB David Carr.

This should be a fun draft and expect some trades.

RMANCIL
03-17-2006, 06:25 AM
Interesting speculation from Kiper which is along the lines of this mock.

What has been determined by Daunte Culpepper being traded to Miami and Drew Brees signing with New Orleans as it relates to the NFL draft? All we know now is the Saints and Dolphins aren't taking a quarterback.


Beyond that, we don't know anything. All this other talk is idle speculation, because Matt Leinart and Vince Young have yet to work out for teams. Leinart isn't working out until April 2, and Young didn't do anything at last month's NFL scouting combine. Teams can't assess quarterbacks until they see them work out.

Now that the Saints have their starting quarterback, what will they do with the No. 2 overall pick? They can trade down, because that pick is very valuable with all three quarterbacks (Jay Cutler, Leinart and Young) sitting there, along with a great left tackle in D'Brickashaw Ferguson and defensive end Mario Williams. The second pick is now the hot pick of the 2006 draft -- assuming Houston takes Reggie Bush.

• Does Tennessee, if it has the pick of the litter, take Leinart and reunite him with his college offensive coordinator Norm Chow, who holds the same position with the Titans?

• I don't think the New York Jets -- who have the fourth pick -- are surprised by what happened with Brees and Culpepper. They still could look at signing Patrick Ramsey to go along with Chad Pennington and draft left tackle Ferguson, which is a need area for them.

• What happens in Oakland, which right now has quarterbacks Marques Tuiasosopo, Andrew Walter and Reggie Robertson on the roster? They had interest in Culpepper but didn't want to give up a second-round pick.

The Raiders still could get a quarterback without moving up. The question is: Do they want to get Leinart? I think Leinart is the best quarterback in this draft. To me he most resembles, coincidentally enough, former Raiders QB Ken Stabler. Leinart is the same type of QB: pocket passer, smart and very accurate.

If Oakland wants the best quarterback in the draft, it will have to move up to No. 2 to get him. If the Raiders want the second-best quarterback, they can stay where they are and still probably get the quarterback they want.

• Where will Cutler go? I think Arizona will look closely at tight end Vernon Davis, but will the Cardinals now call an audible and go after the Vanderbilt quarterback?

• And with Jon Kitna signing in Detroit, I don't see the Lions -- who still have Joey Harrington -- drafting a young quarterback. I think they would look at defensive back Michael Huff from Texas.

Those are just some of the scenarios that could take place in the top 10.

Arizona addressed its need for a running back by signing Edgerrin James; same with the Vikings, who signed Chester Taylor. Teams are filling need areas other than through the draft.

Now that the Saints addressed their primary need and still hold the second overall pick, they are in a great position to either address other needs or trade down and acquire picks.

A lot of teams are going to want to talk to the Saints about their first-round draft choice.

RMANCIL
03-18-2006, 04:25 AM
UPDATED 3-18-06

1) SF- Bush RB
Trade with Houston give up 2nd 06- 1st 07 and 3rd- 07
Fills huge need ( extra 3 06 make this work for SF)

2) Saints - D’Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
Saints grab huge OT Trade plans die on vine

3) Tenn - Matt Leinart QB USC
Titians stand pat get QB

4) NY Jets DE Mario Williams, North Carolina State
land De to fill need after Abraham trade

5) Green Bay Packers AJ Hawk LB Ohio State

6) Houston TE Vernon Davis, Maryland
Trade land superman TE and picks

7) Oakland Vince Young QB Texas
Davis stands Pat watchs QB drop

8) Buffalo Bills Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

9) Detroit QB Jay Cutler TE Maryland
Like a moth to a flame Det-OFF players

10) Arizona Cardinals Michael Huff FS Texas

11) St. Louis Rams Broderick Bunkley DL Florida State

12) Cleveland Browns Chad Greenway OLB Iowa

13) Baltimore Jimmy Williams DB Virginia Tech

14) Philadelphia LenDale White RB Southern Cal

15) Atlanta Winston Justice OT USC
Falcons lose starting OLT grab Justice who may force Todd Weiner to ROT

16) Miami Dolphins Tye Hill DC Clemson

17) Minnesota Vikings DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis

18) Dallas Cowboys Ernie Sims LB Florida State
Cowboys fill OT needs in F.A. replace retiring MLB.

19) San Diego Chargers Andrew Whitworth , OT LSU
Rivers must have OT , he slides down after Boys take F.A. , Has Bolt mind set

20) Kansas City Chiefs Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State

21) New England Patriots Jason Allen DB Tennessee
great combine shoots him up

22) Denver Broncos (F/Was) Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
Best fit of TE on board for their system

23) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Marcus McNeil, Auburn
Bucs gamble on his back , Cadillac loves him


24) Cincinnati Bengals Gabe Watson DT Michigan
If he stays motivated great DL

25) NY Giants Manny Lawson LB North Carolina State
Great OLB canidate , huge speed

26) Chicago Bears Ashton Youboty DC Ohio State
Size matters , speed , practice vs the best.

27) Carolina Panthers DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
Falls a little very fast and Smart

28) Jacksonville Jaguars Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
Huge powerfull man blows people off los

29) Denver Broncos Chad Jackson WR Florida
Smith is getting way up in age

30) Indianapolis Colts Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
Edge is gone fits a big time need

31) Seattle Seahawks Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma
Lose OG Hutch to Vikes reload

32) Pittsburgh Sinorice Moss WR Miami
lost Antwaan Randle El

There is the latest draft on the net baby. 3-19-06

LarryAW
03-18-2006, 01:09 PM
UPDATED 3-18-06

1) SF- Bush RB
Trade with Houston give up 2nd 06- 1st 07 and 3rd- 07
Fills huge need ( extra 3 06 make this work for SF)

2) Saints - D’Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
Saints grab huge OT Trade plans die on vine

3) Tenn - Matt Leinart QB USC
Titians stand pat get QB

4) NY Jets DE Mario Williams, North Carolina State
land De to fill need after Abraham trade

5) Green Bay Packers AJ Hawk LB Ohio State

6) Houston TE Vernon Davis, Maryland
Trade land superman TE and picks

7) Oakland Vince Young QB Texas
Davis stands Pat watchs QB drop

8) Buffalo Bills Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

9) Detroit QB Jay Cutler TE Maryland
Like a moth to a flame Det-OFF players

10) Arizona Cardinals Michael Huff FS Texas

11) St. Louis Rams Broderick Bunkley DL Florida State

12) Cleveland Browns Chad Greenway OLB Iowa

13) Baltimore Jimmy Williams DB Virginia Tech

14) Philadelphia LenDale White RB Southern Cal

15) Atlanta Winston Justice OT USC
Falcons lose starting OLT grab Justice who may force Todd Weiner to ROT

16) Miami Dolphins Tye Hill DC Clemson

17) Minnesota Vikings DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis

18) Dallas Cowboys Ernie Sims LB Florida State
Cowboys fill OT needs in F.A. replace retiring MLB.

19) San Diego Chargers Andrew Whitworth , OT LSU
Rivers must have OT , he slides down after Boys take F.A. , Has Bolt mind set

20) Kansas City Chiefs Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State

21) New England Patriots Jason Allen DB Tennessee
great combine shoots him up

22) Denver Broncos (F/Was) Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
Best fit of TE on board for their system

23) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Marcus McNeil, Auburn
Bucs gamble on his back , Cadillac loves him


24) Cincinnati Bengals Gabe Watson DT Michigan
If he stays motivated great DL

25) NY Giants Manny Lawson LB North Carolina State
Great OLB canidate , huge speed

26) Chicago Bears Ashton Youboty DC Ohio State
Size matters , speed , practice vs the best.

27) Carolina Panthers DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
Falls a little very fast and Smart

28) Jacksonville Jaguars Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
Huge powerfull man blows people off los

29) Denver Broncos Chad Jackson WR Florida
Smith is getting way up in age

30) Indianapolis Colts Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
Edge is gone fits a big time need

31) Seattle Seahawks Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma
Lose OG Hutch to Vikes reload

32) Pittsburgh Sinorice Moss WR Miami
lost Antwaan Randle El

There is the latest draft on the net baby. 3-19-06

Whitworth slides down? What do you see in Whitworth? From what I've seen:

War Room = ranked 9th
Scouts, Inc. = ranked 7th
Draft Scout = ranked 11th moving up; 3rd/4th round

This draft is top-heavy. After 10-15 outstanding players, there are a ton of very good/excellent payers. I see the Chargers moving down and picking up picks, and packaging multiple late picks and moving up.

I know he has great size and is young. Couldn't they get him in the 2nd round? I'm sure you know more than I do, I am just wondering why he would project into the 1st round.

Charger Dave
03-18-2006, 05:34 PM
Whitworth slides down? What do you see in Whitworth? From what I've seen:

War Room = ranked 9th
Scouts, Inc. = ranked 7th
Draft Scout = ranked 11th moving up; 3rd/4th round

This draft is top-heavy. After 10-15 outstanding players, there are a ton of very good/excellent payers. I see the Chargers moving down and picking up picks, and packaging multiple late picks and moving up.

I know he has great size and is young. Couldn't they get him in the 2nd round? I'm sure you know more than I do, I am just wondering why he would project into the 1st round.Larry, read the very first post in this thread - at that time RMan had him going to Dallas, however, he has updated *his* mock to reflect that Dallas has "fixed" their ROT problem via Free Agency... Which makes good sense to me.

LarryAW
03-18-2006, 07:01 PM
Larry, read the very first post in this thread - at that time RMan had him going to Dallas, however, he has updated *his* mock to reflect that Dallas has "fixed" their ROT problem via Free Agency... Which makes good sense to me.

Hi Dave,

What I meant by italics was I didn't understand why Dallas, then San Diego, would be interested in Whitworth that high up in the first place. This is where he's ranked at these sites:

Whitworth
War Room = ranked 9th
Scouts, Inc. = ranked 7th
Draft Scout = ranked 11th moving up; 3rd/4th round

One of them says he isn't as athletic or as natural as the better tackles in the draft. He's projected as a 3rd or 4th round pick. Of course, I know you can't teach 6'7', 334 lbs. ;)

I'd like to see the Chargers move down and grab an additional 2nd round pick, and package multiple late round picks and move up. While the draft has some outstanding talent in the 1st 10 or a few more picks, there will be a lot of excellent talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. AJ can substantially improve this team in this draft. Doing this wouldn't preclude AJ getting Whitworth in the 2nd round, if he is so inclined.

LTfan4life
03-18-2006, 07:29 PM
Eh...I see 2nd Rounder as guys with enough flaws to not be worthy of a first rounder. I classify Whitworth in that category. Maybe if he has a great Pro Day he come into Round 1, but he's not even ahead of Marcus McNeil, and he's slightly behind/closing in on being at the same level (draft status wise) as Daryn Colledge, the OT from Boise St.

LarryAW
03-18-2006, 08:07 PM
Eh...I see 2nd Rounder as guys with enough flaws to not be worthy of a first rounder. I classify Whitworth in that category. Maybe if he has a great Pro Day he come into Round 1, but he's not even ahead of Marcus McNeil, and he's slightly behind/closing in on being at the same level (draft status wise) as Daryn Colledge, the OT from Boise St.

I didn't mean us moving out of the 1st round. Move down a few slots and grab another 2. AJ can work wonders in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I just think there is more talent available in the first 3 rounds than usual. It will be interesting to see what AJ does.

My problem with O'Neil is his spinal stenosis, but apparently he has satisfied everyone with his health. The knock on Whitworth is he isn't very athletic, as I mentioned in my reply. But, he's experienced, very coachable, and he's 6'7", 334 lbs. I can see why he is appealing.

RMANCIL
03-19-2006, 06:05 AM
Eh...I see 2nd Rounder as guys with enough flaws to not be worthy of a first rounder. I classify Whitworth in that category. Maybe if he has a great Pro Day he come into Round 1, but he's not even ahead of Marcus McNeil, and he's slightly behind/closing in on being at the same level (draft status wise) as Daryn Colledge, the OT from Boise St.

I rate players based on my observations not based on what other draft sites say necessarily.

Lets look at McNeil who is a very popular selection.

He is very ruff in his technique has good push on the run game side good feet but takes a lot of plays off and due to his back injury he failed to practice with his team just last season.

Here are a few reports from around some of the sites that a lot of folks read.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/marcusmcneill.html
http://2006.ontheclockdraft.com/profile.php?id=20050721053011919838

#73 Marcus McNeil had some battles with #91 Manny Lawson during 1-on-1's and the results were mixed. One rep Lawson got McNeil off balance and beat him handily, the next, McNeil engulfed Lawson and buried him in the turf. Overall both players had good days and show alot of upside. McNeil isn't the most agile OT on the field but does well enough to get by on reaches and pulls, but on the other hand is an absolute monster at the point of attack. Lawson drew attention from Chiefs, Panthers, Chargers and Bears after the session.

Marcus McNeill is athletically very gifted for his size. He is a waist bender..which means he doesn't bring his feet with his upper body when he is pass blocking or inline blocking. in other words a pusher..not always a popper...there is a buzz that he may have a back problem..they is why the physicals at the Combine are critical to his grade..he still should be a first rounder despite the fact he waist bends and pushes because he is rarely on the ground..he also takes up alot of space 6-7,334 http://ourlads.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=598&pid=4582&st=0&#entry4582

Strengths: Possesses elite overall NFL "measurables". Is extremely tall with a massive build and impressive speed for his size. He a wide wingspan. Shows adequate initial quickness in his pass pro set. Has long arms to force a wide arc in pass pro. Is very difficult to get around as a pass rusher because of his huge frame. Does a good job of using his long arms and strong hands to keep separation. When focused and fresh, he shows impressive quickness and range in pass pro. Can bend at his knees and show impressive lateral mobility for his size. Can redirect versus the double move and rarely gets beat back to the inside. He takes decent angles as a run blocker. He has tremendous speed for his size and will be able to reach the second level when he's fresh. He engulfs defenders at the POA. Rarely loses a battle once he locks on. He has developed into a hard worker and a leader. Has shown a lot more maturity late in his career.

Weaknesses: Has a medical issue (stenosis of the spine) that could cause long-term concern. Keeping his weight in check will always be a concern. He has ballooned in the past and can look extremely sluggish when overweight. His technique still needs some refining. He can play with leverage when he wants but he gets lazy at times and will play too erect, which diminishes his power and lateral mobility. He has a tendency to rely too much on his natural physical tools and will get caught underestimating opponents occasionally. Gets caught lunging from time to time and does not concentrate on his footwork enough. He is massive, but lacks explosive power.

Overall: McNeill started six games at tackle as a true freshman in 2002. He started 10 games at left tackle in 2003, missing three because of a back strain. McNeill started all 11 games at left tackle in 2004, when he was a first team All-SEC selection. He started all but one regular-season game (bruised knee versus Ball State) as a senior in 2005. McNeill had his best overall season as a junior in 2004 and, after a slow start due to a bruised knee; he finished strong as a senior in 2005. He had some issues regarding his weight early in his collegiate career and he also has a medical condition that needs to be cleared by NFL doctors. However, McNeill has found an ideal playing weight for him (332 pounds) and he has adjusted his workout routine in order to limit the affects of his spine condition. McNeill has impressive athleticism for his rare size and he has developed into an efficient all-around blocker at the highest collegiate level. If McNeill is cleared physically, we consider him worth selecting late in the first round of the 2006 draft.

Now what I end up with is a picture of a huge player who is very athletic who needs some polish on his game. He is strong at the point of attack but he gets off balance some times in pass protection. Buzz word is potential and athleticism.

All of that is fixable with coaching and you can't coach size or quickness. He has a lot going for him.

The huge issue is his back........ now in the N.F.L. it is hard to get a real good handle on injury issues due to a lot of misinformation.

However a back injury is a real big red flag. I am also a little concerned that he takes plays off on occasion.
With all the money that these kids get if they don't already have a strong work ethic most fail to develop one.

Daryn Colledge
Failed to stand out at the Senior Bowl for me and his lower level competition for me is a concern. Based on what I have read a lot of scouts like him and it looks like he will be a selection in the second round he is a little smaller than some of the others as well. (Wingspan )

RMANCIL
03-19-2006, 06:14 AM
Whitworth Strengths: Is an experienced player. Has a terrific frame and great overall size. Is tall, has good bulk and has muscular arms. He is massive and can be absolutely overpowering at the POA. More of a mauler than anything. He has decent initial quickness and takes good angles as a run blocker. He has explosive initial pop and will jar defenders with his hand punch. He works to finish in the running game and will consistently generate a new LOS as a run blocker. He has adequate quickness in his pass-pro set. Uses his long arms to force a wide arc. He can anchor vs. the bull rush. Also does a great job of sustaining in pass pro once he has locked on. He has big, strong hands and a powerful upper body. Is a hard worker and intelligent player. A bit of an overachiever who works hard for everything he gets.

Weaknesses: He's not a great athlete and he lacks good mobility. He is a bit top-heavy. Plays too erect at times and will occasionally get caught waist-bending. He can look stiff in space. He has decent quickness in his pass-pro set but when he will get over-extended at times and will struggle to redirect back inside. His lateral movement skills are below average. He will struggle to consistently reach the second-level as a downfield run blocker and he's inconsistent when it comes to hitting a moving target in space. He will get to the point too late and off-balance at times, which leads to him lunging and leaving his feet.

Andrew Whitworth - T, LSU (6-7, 325; OL49): Whitworth set an LSU record by playing and starting in 52 games during his career. A durable player, he never missed a game or practice due to injury (missed one to attend graduation ceremonies in December 2005) during his five years with the Tigers. The 52 career starts ranks as the second-highest total in NCAA history, trailing the 53 started by Derrick Strait of Oklahoma. He was named second team All-America by the Walter Camp Foundation in 2005 and was a third team All-America pick by the Associated Press. A two-time first team All-SEC pick during his career, Whitworth played over 3,500 snaps from scrimmage.

Andrew Whitworth has concluded an excellent career at LSU wracking up some hardware along the way. He’s started since his freshman year and earned Freshman All-American honors. Last year as a junior, he was named 1st team All SEC for his success on the field.

Whitworth has ideal size for an offensive tackle. He’s tall, had a nice frame, and has long arms. He sets up quickly in pass protection to keep lineman at bay. In the running game he shows the ability to lock on to a defender and create space for his backs. Whitworth has also shown the ability to get out and block on the move. He has played a lot in the SEC and should be able to provide an immediate impact in the NFL.

Whitworth has the tendency to stand tall at times, and is vulnerable to double moves by defensive ends. He does not adjust very well to counter moves. He is more of a jack of all trades type, and does not dominate in any one area. He’s not the stud athlete to be a standout left tackle, and isn’t as strong as you typically want your right tackle to be.

In a deep tackle class, Whitworth is up near the top. He projects very well as a left tackle, but does not have the upside other tackles may have. He’s as experienced and as durable a lineman as you will find and that will endear him to a lot of teams.

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/sec/2005_Pages/All_SEC.htm

If you do a internet search on Whitworth you will get a lot of hits like this
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051119/SPORTS030103/511190370/1109 and what that says to me is that he is or was the team spokesman and leader.

If you boil it down you have

1) OT great size very high potential needs coaching to polish game major injury issue player who takes some plays off.
Who may have a weight issue

2) OT great size limited potential ready to step in and play injury free player who is a team leader who carries his weight well.

I tend to go more with actual playing skills and less on potential and I want a player who is a bit more of a sure thing. Whitworth seems to be that player for me.

The one question that comes up is his ability to play LOT or ROT and for the Bolts and their Offense I think he would be a great LOT fit. If not he is as close to a lock as your going to find at ROT.
In my opinion the first round is more for locks and the second for gambles.



Here is a real good over view on the OT group http://www.billszone.com/mtlog/archives/2006/02/15/billszones_2006_draft_guide_offensive_tackles.php

BoltzNBrew
03-19-2006, 07:24 AM
N.O. may not get book value but if they nab a extra 2 # the player they could take there has about the same talent as most being selected after pick 23 # in round 1# .

Cutler was a second round selection on most boards before the Senior Bowl and he did not tear up the game in fact he failed to stand out. He has a great release and a strong arm but don't get carried away with Cutler being in the same class as Leinart few rate them as any thing close to equal.

Leinart is the most ready to play QB in the draft and Chow coached him , while Cutler projects well he isn't nearly as polished at this time.

The Jets want Leinart as well , the advantage the Titans have is a better draft slot for the Saints to trade down to.

That and the fact that Tenn has been pretty active in F.A. filling needs , David Givens wr , center Kevin Mawae , Hope FS , and linebacker David Thornton.

That sets the stage pretty well and if they can get the QB they really want and the Saints get a extra 2# in this draft that would make both clubs real happy.

The Saints need a LOT and a DT in this draft and they could get both and a ILB in round 3#.

The Saints also would save some cap money basically moving back 1 slot and still drafting the same player they most likely would pick anyway D’Brickashaw Ferguson .

SF needs a RB real bad to help the young QB and again Houston really would rather have a OL or a TE and I understand that Davis is getting some play.

SF would have a marketing bonanza if they could get Bush he fits a big time need for them much more so than Houston.

Texan head coach Kubiak will be running the Denver offense which does not require nor value RB like a lot of other clubs. Remember the Portis trade and the list of RB drafted in lower rounds who have done very well in that offense .

Nothing is a lock but word has been that the Texans would love to trade back and with that trade that would also set them up to take Young who would put a ton of fans in the seats and allow him a season or two to get coached up.

Two other players that would stand out and could step in and help the Texans day one include Mario Williams DE , D’Brickashaw Ferguson OT , AND Vernon Davis TE.

Davis has the talent to make a huge impact for Houston and we know how the Denver offense loves fast TE to attack the middle of the defense and take some of the pressure off QB David Carr.

This should be a fun draft and expect some trades.

Did you see the combine or are you still going off 3 month old data? Did you see what NYG paid to move up 3 spots for the #1 pick in She-Li? Seriously, SF is not going to sell the farm for Reggie Bush and TEN is not going to trade up 1 spot.

Charger Dave
03-19-2006, 08:27 AM
Hi Dave,

What I meant by italics was I didn't understand why Dallas, then San Diego, would be interested in Whitworth that high up in the first place. This is where he's ranked at these sites:

Whitworth
War Room = ranked 9th
Scouts, Inc. = ranked 7th
Draft Scout = ranked 11th moving up; 3rd/4th round

One of them says he isn't as athletic or as natural as the better tackles in the draft. He's projected as a 3rd or 4th round pick. Of course, I know you can't teach 6'7', 334 lbs. ;)

I'd like to see the Chargers move down and grab an additional 2nd round pick, and package multiple late round picks and move up. While the draft has some outstanding talent in the 1st 10 or a few more picks, there will be a lot of excellent talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. AJ can substantially improve this team in this draft. Doing this wouldn't preclude AJ getting Whitworth in the 2nd round, if he is so inclined.Now I understand your confusion - basically RMan does his own thing and doesn't put a lot of stock into the "opinions" of other Mocks (which I find refreshing). He does his own research rather than just looking at lists and purely at stuff like stats from the combine/pro days. That is why I pay closer attention to his stuff than most of them. (I did last year and am following him/his opinion even closer this year).

One of the things I *really* get a kick out of is that he can/will intelligently explain "why" he has any pick listed where he does - (which I see has already happened in this thread) - but still can keep an open mind while doing so.

Personally I'm much more of a "steel-trap" mentality.

Note to AJ - "More Beef up front"!

RMANCIL
03-19-2006, 09:39 AM
Did you see the combine or are you still going off 3 month old data? Did you see what NYG paid to move up 3 spots for the #1 pick in She-Li? Seriously, SF is not going to sell the farm for Reggie Bush and TEN is not going to trade up 1 spot.

You should look at the revisted draft where the Tenn trade has now been killed.

The SF is still alive however it is for from concrete , the SF team would love Bush and while their are other RB in the draft none that rate with him in talent and marketing apeal.

If Houston can slide out of the top spot and not come off looking like a big time loser to their fans they would love to do just that.

The additional picks would help them a lot and they have a decent RB and they have made a commitment to their QB.

Kubic will run the Denver offense and if he can have things go his way look for them to trade down and draft TE Vernon Davis, Maryland and they will target OL or WR in the second round were they would love to have a extra pick as would every other team in the draft.

SF picked up a extra 3rd from the Skins this year and 4 th round selection next year they should be able to select a OLB -DE tweener as well as DB -TE help in this draft in the 3 rd.

The niners need players at a lot of spots but a super star RB will help the young QB big time and the chance to hit the jackpot like this doesn't come around often. The QB market cooling hurts their pick as more position players will come off the board.

Not a lock but I am sticking with it for now .

RMANCIL
03-19-2006, 09:43 AM
Now I understand your confusion - basically RMan does his own thing and doesn't put a lot of stock into the "opinions" of other Mocks (which I find refreshing). He does his own research rather than just looking at lists and purely at stuff like stats from the combine/pro days. That is why I pay closer attention to his stuff than most of them. (I did last year and am following him/his opinion even closer this year).

One of the things I *really* get a kick out of is that he can/will intelligently explain "why" he has any pick listed where he does - (which I see has already happened in this thread) - but still can keep an open mind while doing so.

Personally I'm much more of a "steel-trap" mentality.

Note to AJ - "More Beef up front"!


Thanks for the more than kind words. I study the draft a great deal and I don't always agree with a lot of the sites .

I call it the way I see it and explain why . I get a lot right and I miss as well but I always have a good time and I hope provide a good read.

LarryAW
03-19-2006, 10:46 AM
Thanks for the more than kind words. I study the draft a great deal and I don't always agree with a lot of the sites .

I call it the way I see it and explain why . I get a lot right and I miss as well but I always have a good time and I hope provide a good read.

I appreciate what you do, too. I just wondered what you saw in Whitworth, other than the fact he's huge. But, when I see the words like experienced, hard worker, and very coachable attibuted to him, it does make me like the guy. ;) He's a very intriguing pick, no question about that.

LarryAW
03-19-2006, 10:46 AM
Now I understand your confusion - basically RMan does his own thing and doesn't put a lot of stock into the "opinions" of other Mocks (which I find refreshing). He does his own research rather than just looking at lists and purely at stuff like stats from the combine/pro days. That is why I pay closer attention to his stuff than most of them. (I did last year and am following him/his opinion even closer this year).

One of the things I *really* get a kick out of is that he can/will intelligently explain "why" he has any pick listed where he does - (which I see has already happened in this thread) - but still can keep an open mind while doing so.

Personally I'm much more of a "steel-trap" mentality.

Note to AJ - "More Beef up front"!

Thanks. We do need more beef.

RMANCIL
03-22-2006, 11:26 AM
On the trade front

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/HOU/9269639

Houston is looking to trade so the projected move with S.F. is still alive.


UPDATED 3-22-06

1) SF- Bush RB
Trade with Houston give up 2nd 06- 1st 07 and 3rd- 07
Fills huge need ( extra 3 06 make this work for SF)

2) Saints - D’Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
Saints grab huge OT Trade plans die on vine

3) Tenn - Matt Leinart QB USC
Titians stand pat get QB

4) NY Jets DE Mario Williams, North Carolina State
land De to fill need after Abraham trade

5) Green Bay Packers AJ Hawk LB Ohio State

6) Houston TE Vernon Davis, Maryland
Trade land superman TE and picks

7) Oakland Vince Young QB Texas
Davis stands Pat watchs QB drop

8) Buffalo Bills Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

9) Detroit QB Jay Cutler TE Maryland
Like a moth to a flame Det-OFF players

10) Arizona Cardinals Michael Huff FS Texas

11) St. Louis Rams Broderick Bunkley DL Florida State

12) Cleveland Browns Chad Greenway OLB Iowa

13) Baltimore Jimmy Williams DB Virginia Tech

14) Philadelphia LenDale White RB Southern Cal

15) Denver Santonio Holmes WR Ohio
Move up grab wr Smith is getting way up in age

16) Miami Dolphins Tye Hill DC Clemson

17) Minnesota Vikings DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis

18) Dallas Cowboys Ernie Sims LB Florida State
Cowboys fill OT needs in F.A. replace retiring MLB.

19) San Diego Chargers Winston Justice , OT USC
Rivers must have OT , he slides down after Boys take F.A. OT
Falcons trade down lets LOT slide

20) Kansas City Chiefs Chad Jackson WR Florida

21) New England Patriots Jason Allen DB Tennessee
great combine shoots him up

22) Denver Broncos (F/Was) Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
Best fit of TE on board for their system

23) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Marcus McNeil, Auburn
Bucs gamble on his back , Cadillac loves him


24) Cincinnati Bengals Gabe Watson DT Michigan
If he stays motivated great DL

25) NY Giants Manny Lawson LB North Carolina State
Great OLB canidate , huge speed

26) Chicago Bears Ashton Youboty DC Ohio State
Size matters , speed , practice vs the best.

27) Carolina Panthers DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
Falls a little very fast and Smart

28) Jacksonville Jaguars Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
Huge powerfull man blows people off los

29) NY Jets Jonathan Joseph Jr. DC South Carolina
Jets lose Law need CB to start

30) Indianapolis Colts Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
Edge is gone fits a big time need

31) Seattle Seahawks Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma
Lose OG Hutch to Vikes reload

32) Pittsburgh Sinorice Moss WR Miami
lost Antwaan Randle El

There is the latest draft on the net baby. 3-22-06

RMANCIL
03-22-2006, 11:41 AM
Of additional interest

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2378904

Eric Moulds has the Buffalo Bills' permission to seek a trade, the latest step for the veteran receiver who asked for his release after repeatedly rejecting the team's demands to take a pay cut.

Eric Moulds
Wide Receiver
Buffalo Bills

Profile
2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Rec Yds TD Avg Long YAC
81 816 4 10.1 55 229


"We are shopping Eric," Moulds' personal adviser, Greg Johnson, told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "Obviously, we would much rather have Eric released. But if we can work out a trade, we will. But if not, we're back to Square 1 and Eric won't play for the Bills. He doesn't want to play for them, and he will not play for them."

Johnson said several teams already have expressed interest in Moulds since the Bills granted their permission on Friday. Without providing details, he added, the team has set parameters on what it would seek in return in a potential trade.

"It's moving forward to a degree and we anticipate something happening," Johnson said.

Moulds, a 10-year veteran and the Bills' senior player, has two years left on his contract, but was scheduled to count about $10.8 million against the salary cap next year. The Bills deem that figure too expensive but have failed in their bid to have the receiver restructure his contract.

Moulds, who is scheduled to make $7.1 million next season, has rejected the Bills' demands, believing there are other teams willing to match the salary.

I don't see the Bolts or anyone paying him 7.1 next season but if something can't work out in GB with Walker Moulds at the right price would fit.

phillychargerfan
03-22-2006, 12:59 PM
Hey R, you really think AJ will take Justice?? and (because I haven't studied him) what is your opinion of Justice??

robanalog
03-22-2006, 01:41 PM
[QUOTE=RMANCIL][COLOR="Blue"]
18) Dallas Cowboys Ernie Sims LB Florida State
Cowboys fill OT needs in F.A. replace retiring MLB.



Does the Larry Allen cut change the DAL strategy?

ChampCharger
03-22-2006, 01:49 PM
Cowboys are more concerned about their FS spot...That's where they'll draft.

We should not go for any Winston in this draft.

RMANCIL
03-23-2006, 03:13 AM
[QUOTE=RMANCIL][COLOR="Blue"]
18) Dallas Cowboys Ernie Sims LB Florida State
Cowboys fill OT needs in F.A. replace retiring MLB.



Does the Larry Allen cut change the DAL strategy?

No they have a OG on roster who can step in and they may look at OG round 2 or 3 depending on the DB crowd thats on the board.

RMANCIL
03-23-2006, 03:19 AM
Hey R, you really think AJ will take Justice?? and (because I haven't studied him) what is your opinion of Justice??

From the press releases his off field issue was a silly joke that placed him in trouble.

In Texas kids walk down dirt roads with pellet guns and its no big deal , in southern Cal a black kid points a toy gun at someone and it is a very big deal.

If it is just a gag that was in poor taste as it is being reported then his moral issues are not in question just his physical talent.

Based on his play and his work outs he is the number two OT on the board at this time imop.

ChampCharger
03-23-2006, 11:21 AM
From the press releases his off field issue was a silly joke that placed him in trouble.

In Texas kids walk down dirt roads with pellet guns and its no big deal , in southern Cal a black kid points a toy gun at someone and it is a very big deal.

If it is just a gag that was in poor taste as it is being reported then his moral issues are not in question just his physical talent.

Based on his play and his work outs he is the number two OT on the board at this time imop.

I could be wrong but I think it was a road rage incident in which Justice flashed a fake gun to scare the other driver...it was on the freeway I know that.

That is a big deal because in L.A. around this time there were a lot of "freeway shootings."

Anyway it doesn't affect my opinion of him...but I still feel he'll go too high in the draft. He should be picked no earlier than 25 IMHO.

Shamrock
03-25-2006, 02:46 PM
Another mock (http://blogs.foxsports.com/patmoran2006), this one from Pat Moran (who???) of FoxSports.

Has us taking:

1. Chad Jackson - WR
2. A. Cromartie - CB
3. R. Cook - C

We better get some tackles. I don't see us drafting a center.

RMANCIL
03-28-2006, 02:57 PM
3-29-06 2 round mock updated.

On the trade front

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/HOU/9269639

Houston is looking to trade so the projected move with S.F. is still alive.


UPDATED 3-29-06

1) SF- Bush RB
Trade with Houston give up 2nd 06- 1st 07 and 3rd- 07
Fills huge need ( extra 3 06 make this work for SF)

2) Saints - D’Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
Saints grab huge OT Trade plans die on vine

3) Tenn - Matt Leinart QB USC
Titians stand pat get QB

4) NY Jets DE Mario Williams, North Carolina State
land De to fill need after Abraham trade

5) Green Bay Packers AJ Hawk LB Ohio State

6) Houston TE Vernon Davis, Maryland
Trade land superman TE and picks

7) Oakland Vince Young QB Texas
Davis stands Pat watchs QB drop

8) Buffalo Bills Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

9) Detroit QB Jay Cutler TE Maryland
Like a moth to a flame Det-OFF players

10) Arizona Cardinals Michael Huff FS Texas

11) St. Louis Rams Broderick Bunkley DL Florida State

12) Cleveland Browns Chad Greenway OLB Iowa

13) Baltimore Jimmy Williams DB Virginia Tech

14) Philadelphia LenDale White RB Southern Cal

15) Denver Santonio Holmes WR Ohio
Move up grab wr Smith is getting way up in age

16) Miami Dolphins Tye Hill DC Clemson

17) Minnesota Vikings DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis

18) Dallas Cowboys Ernie Sims LB Florida State
Cowboys fill OT needs in F.A. replace retiring MLB.

19) San Diego Chargers Winston Justice , OT USC
Rivers must have OT , he slides down after Boys take F.A. OT
Falcons trade down lets LOT slide

20) Kansas City Chiefs Chad Jackson WR Florida

21) New England Patriots Jason Allen DB Tennessee
great combine shoots him up

22) Denver Broncos (F/Was) Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
Best fit of TE on board for their system

23) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Marcus McNeil, Auburn
Bucs gamble on his back , Cadillac loves him


24) Cincinnati Bengals Gabe Watson DT Michigan
If he stays motivated great DL

25) NY Giants Manny Lawson LB North Carolina State
Great OLB canidate , huge speed

26) Chicago Bears Ashton Youboty DC Ohio State
Size matters , speed , practice vs the best.

27) Carolina Panthers DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
Falls a little very fast and Smart

28) Jacksonville Jaguars Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia
Huge powerfull man blows people off los

29) NY Jets Jonathan Joseph Jr. DC South Carolina
Jets lose Law need CB to start

30) Indianapolis Colts Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
Edge is gone fits a big time need

31) Seattle Seahawks Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma
Lose OG Hutch to Vikes reload

32) Pittsburgh Sinorice Moss WR Miami
lost Antwaan Randle El

There is the latest draft on the net baby.

Bonus round 2#

33 TEXANS Whitner, *Donte (SS), Ohio State

34 SAINTS Mangold, Nick (C), Ohio State

35 JETS Andrew Whitworth (OT), LSU

36 PACKERS Lutui, Taitusi (OG), Southern Cal

37 Texans Via SF Wimbley, Kamerion (DE), Florida State

38 RAIDERS Spencer, Charles (OG), Pittsburgh (OG), Pittsburgh

39 TITANS Carpenter, Bobby (OLB), Ohio State

40 LIONS Dvoracek, Dusty (DT), Oklahoma

41 CARDINALS Pope, *Leonard (TE), Georgia (CB), Florida State

42 BILLS Hali, Tamba (DE), Penn State

43 BROWNS Oshinowo, Babatunde (DT), Stanford

44 RAVENS Jackson, D'Qwell (ILB), Maryland

45 EAGLES Harris, Orien (DT), Miami

46 RAMS Cromartie, *Antonio (CB), Florida State

47 FALCONS Winston, Eric (OT), Miami

48 VIKINGS Hodge, Abdul (ILB), Iowa

49 COWBOYS Marshall, *Richard (CB), Fresno State

50 CHARGERS Jennings, Kelly (CB), Miami

51 VIKINGS Zemaitis, Alan (CB), Penn State

52 PATRIOTS Howard, Thomas (OLB), Texas-El

53 REDSKINS Kiwanuka, Mathias (DE), Boston College

54 CHIEFS Edwards, *Ray (DE), Purdue

55 BENGALS Klopfenstein, Joe (TE), Colorado

56 GIANTS Wilkinson, Gerris (ILB), Georgia Tech

57 BEARS Byrd, Dominique (TE), Southern Cal

58 PANTHERS Simpson, *Ko (FS), South Carolina

59 BUCS Bullocks, Daniel (SS), Nebraska

60 JAGUARS Alston, Jon (OLB), Stanford

61 BRONCOS Bing, *Darnell (SS), Southern Cal

62 COLTS Wroten, Claude (DT), LSU

63 SEAHAWKS Tapp, Darryl (DE), Virginia Tech

64 STEELERS Watkins, Pat (FS), Florida State

3rd Round

65 TEXANS

66 TEXANS

67 PACKERS

68 49ERS

69 RAIDERS

70 BILLS

71 JETS

72 CARDINALS

73 BILLS

74 LIONS

75 PATRIOTS

76 EAGLES

77 RAMS

78 BROWNS

79 FALCONS

80 COWBOYS

81 CHARGERS

82 DOLPHINS

83 VIKINGS

84 49ERS

85 CHIEFS

86 PATRIOTS

87 GIANTS

88 BEARS

89 PANTHERS

90 BUCS

91 BENGALS

92 JAGUARS

93 FALCONS

94 COLTS

95 SEAHAWKS

96 STEELERS

97 JETS*

Shamrock
03-28-2006, 03:20 PM
SF needs as much or more talent as Houston. They'd be morons to give up current and future picks for Bush.

RMANCIL
03-29-2006, 08:55 AM
SF needs as much or more talent as Houston. They'd be morons to give up current and future picks for Bush.


They need a RB , Bush is the best since LT , they picked up a 3rd round pick earlier and they are one of the few teams that have the ability and the desire.

Houston would love to make the deal if they get enough in the trade.

Chargeroo
03-29-2006, 11:04 AM
I can't find it anywhere but there's a rumor that the Vikings have made a trade with the Niners ......... they swapped firsts for this year and the Niners also get a second this year and couple of other picks for next year. If that turns out to be fact, it screws up everyones mock draft. Makes sense that the Vikes may want to move up ahead of the raiders so they can grab a QB.

Ron, I agree with Shammy - I can't see the Niners trading up to get a RB.They could get White or Williams where they are. Both will be good RB's.

SanDiegoRon
03-29-2006, 11:22 AM
I still don't understand the current man-love for Winston Justice... baffles me... the guy has the least amount of gameday experience of any of the OT of consequence... has had "issues"... is a right tackle (that must be it), and did not have a stellar Nat'l Championship game... now, why is he a first rdr???

Shamrock
03-29-2006, 11:41 AM
I still don't understand the current man-love for Winston Justice... baffles me... the guy has the least amount of gameday experience of any of the OT of consequence... has had "issues"... is a right tackle (that must be it), and did not have a stellar Nat'l Championship game... now, why is he a first rdr???
By not being eligible to play in the post season All Star games, Justice had the least exposure of his flaws. I think many people (and the draftnik websites) use the broader known weaknesses of the players who have exposed themselves to more action influence the down grading of them, while a player like Justice stays relatively "clean" in their eyes.

IMO, Justice is no better than the 4th best OT in this draft for the Chargers, after D'Brick, Whitworth and J. Scott.

McNeill and E. Winston have medical issues, and I'm not that thrilled with their styles anyway. Colledge has serious strength problems and is best suited to a zone blocking scheme.

Chargeroo
03-29-2006, 11:43 AM
Another rumor that may change the draft - Bills may want a QB. -

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkyY5a1.1x9D2bcVXjfySQ1DubYF?slug=cr-meetings032906&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

BoltsfanNYC
03-29-2006, 12:04 PM
http://www.xpertsports.com/league/index.php?id=14692


check out this LIVE draft. I traded from 19 down to 29 and I will still get a CB-Williams, or eric winston or top G or KO- plus I got the Jets 3rd round pick! which is basically a 2nd and a 4th.

RMANCIL
03-29-2006, 04:59 PM
Another rumor that may change the draft - Bills may want a QB. -

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkyY5a1.1x9D2bcVXjfySQ1DubYF?slug=cr-meetings032906&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The world turns , Loseman has a great arm and good wheels , he did sound like a space cadet however.

RMANCIL
03-29-2006, 05:49 PM
I still don't understand the current man-love for Winston Justice... baffles me... the guy has the least amount of gameday experience of any of the OT of consequence... has had "issues"... is a right tackle (that must be it), and did not have a stellar Nat'l Championship game... now, why is he a first rdr???

I watched the big game and I failed to see any issues , and yes they ran behind their OG Deuce Lutui which made a lot since to me as he is one of if not in fact the best Run blocking OG in the draft.

I like him , Mike Mayock has him as his second OT, N.F.L. draft Scout and Espn Insider also agree with me.
He protected USC left handed QB blind side.

He was suspended from school for a year for brandishing a fake firearm at a fellow student, who did not realize it was fake and a charge of solicitation of prostitution in 2003.

2004: Justice was slated to start for his third season at right offensive tackle as a junior in 2004. But he was ineligible for 2004 spring practice and the 2004 season because of a student conduct violation [exhibition of a replica firearm] (he did not attend USC during that time), so he redshirted.


2003: Justice started for his second season on the right side as a sophomore in 2003. He was named to the 2003 All-Pac-10 honorable mention squad. He missed 2 games (Arizona State and Stanford) with an ankle sprain.



2002: As just a first-year freshman, Justice started 12 games (all but the opener against Auburn, in which he didn't play at all) at right offensive tackle in 2002 and did a marvelous job. He was named to the 2002 The Sporting News Freshman All-American first team, Scripps/Football Writers Freshman All-American first team, Rivals.com Freshman All-American first team and The Sporting News Freshman All-Pac-10 first team. He got his first start (at Colorado) on his 18th birthday, becoming USC's first true freshman to start on the offensive line since guard Travis Claridge and tackle Faaesea Mailo did so in 1996 against Notre Dame. After the season, he had arthroscopic surgery to repair a dislocating right shoulder.

The following drills are great indacators of raw explosion first step which is a key unit for OL
Vertical jump
Winston Justice USC 35
Daryn Colledge Boise St. 32½
Davin Joseph Oklahoma 32
Chris Chester Oklahoma 31½
Kevin Boothe Cornell 31½

Andrew Whitworth Louisiana St. 30 1/2
Guy Whimper East Carolina 29
Eric Winston Miami (FL) 29
Terrence Pennington New Mexico 28 1/2
Jason Spitz Louisville 28 1/2
Isaac Sowells Indiana 28 1/2


Broad jump
Davin Joseph Oklahoma 9-foot-3
Paul McQuistan Weber St. 9-foot-2
Winston Justice USC 9-foot-2
Daryn Colledge Boise St. 9-foot-2
Chris Kuper North Dakota 9-foot-1
Rashad Butler Miami (Fla.) 8-foot-10
Chris Chester Oklahoma 8-foot-10

Broad jump
Andrew Whitworth Louisiana St. 9-foot-4
Eric Winston Miami (FL) 9-foot-0
Terrence Pennington New Mexico 8-foot-6
Jason Spitz Louisville 8-foot-6
Guy Whimper East Carolina 8-foot-6
Jonathan Scott Texas -Austin 8-foot-5
Isaac Sowells Indiana 8-foot-5
E.J. Whitley Texas Tech 8-foot-5

RMANCIL
04-04-2006, 08:17 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11582016/

Texans might trade No. 1 pick in draft
G.M. says Houston, which has multiple needs, is talking to teams


INDIANAPOLIS - Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush might not land with the Houston Texans after all.

Texans general manager Charley Casserly said Sunday that the Texans have been talking to teams about possibly trading the first pick in the 2006 draft.

It has been widely speculated that the Heisman Trophy winning running back out of Southern California would end up with the Texans because they recently gave quarterback David Carr a three-year contract extension

The Texans, who finished 2-14 last season, have multiple needs that might be filled with one major move.

There’s clearly players at the top of this draft that are marquee players,” Casserly said. “Players that are impact players, players that are going to go to the Pro Bowl, players that are going to sell tickets. We’re going to get offers for this pick. We’ve already had discussions with teams.

The rest of the story (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11582016/)

RMANCIL
04-04-2006, 08:37 AM
On to Houston… After a more than solid performance at yesterday’s USC pro day at which he solidified his claim to be the top rated player at the 2006 draft, Southern California RB Reggie Bush will head to Houston later this week to meet privately with Texans’ officials. There is also speculation that Bush and the Texans will begin preliminary contract talks at Thursday’s get-together although the two sides aren’t expected to finalize anything in the near term. The Texams are believed to be interested in having whomever they opt to select with the #1 pick under contract before the draft gets underway on April 29th. And just to put a little pressure on Bush, the Texans have kept Texas QB Vince Young, a local product on their radar. Indeed, the Texans will also have Young in for a private meeting on Friday.

Growing OT also stands out at SC pro day… While RB Reggie Bush was the star at the USC workout, the player who may have done the most to help his 2006 draft status was junior OT Winston Justice who appears to have solidly firmed up the #2 grade at the position behind Virginia’s D’Brickashaw Ferguson. Justice weighed in at a solid 320 pounds yesterday, up almost 15 pounds from a listed figure of 305. The added weight apparently didn’t do anything to slow Justice down though as he posted a very athletic 39 inch vertical leap and had 38 reps pressing 225 pounds. As noted earlier, though, it wasn’t a good day at all for USC’s other top RB as LenDale White showed up overweight at 244 pounds and then opted not to run.

Read the whole report. (http://www.gbnreport.com/)

Chargeroo
04-04-2006, 08:40 AM
I bet there aren't many years that the team with the top pick doesn't consider trading down for multiple picks. The team at the top always has several needs unless they got the pick via a trade. If the Texans don't get a very good offer for that pick, they should stay put because Bush is a great player that will give them options that will improve the entire offense.

RMANCIL
04-04-2006, 08:55 AM
3/27 Great read (http://www.thehuddlereport.com/NickelPackage/fj3.27.shtml)
DECISIONS! DECISIONS? DECISIONS!? - MOCK DRAFT
This mock draft is designed for you to enjoy the experience of the decisioning that goes on for each draft selection by the NFL teams. For each pick, I display (1) the best player available as ranked by THR, (2) the player whose value fills the team's need most as determined from THR's Team Needs, and (3) the player who, in all likelihood, is the team's best tactical choice based on a number of factors.

Included in these factors are (a) who the other teams take before a team's next selection, (b) how many remaining players are available at this talent level at each position, and (c) what positional players does a team covet that will not likely be available at their next selection so must consider taking at the current selection. Then, if there is a large disparity between the rank of the best player available and the rankings of the players in the two other categories, the best player available should be taken, regardless of need. However, if two of the categories have the same player identified, then that player is taken. Complex decisions, huh?

For the first round picks, I include a Trade Possibility rating of HIGH, MEDIUM or LOW. The entries for each pick are determined by the needs of the teams both ahead and behind the selection in question. Many teams believe they know the players or positional needs of the teams in front of them so they may trade up to get ahead of them to get a player before he is taken. And many teams consider trading down because at their current pick, the players are either not what they need or want, or the player they want can be selected later thereby saving contractual money.

In fact, many teams have multiple scenarios built on decisioning like this for their early picks. In this mock draft, I only provide the consideration for first round trade possibilities when the conditions appear to be beneficial to the team owning the pick. Is it time for the aspirin and antacid yet?

What about Free Agency? This mock draft reflects the free agent moves completed as of March 26th. As of this posting, the effect of Free Agency is being felt. Trades in the top ten are more probable as it stands right now. It also shows that there will probably be a run on LBs in the second and third rounds while TEs will go wanting. It is quite interesting to see which team's have materially altered their drafting needs by signing quality free agents. Keep tuned to THR for further results.

My selections using this decisioning is in the column entitled "FRED'S FRANTIC FIFTEEN-MINUTE DECISIONS." Look at the three options I provide for each selection and make your own selections for your favorite team. Enjoy!
SELECTION BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE PLAYER FILLING GREATEST NEED BEST TACTICAL CHOICE PLAYER FRED'S FRANTIC FIFTEEN-MINUTE DECISIONS
PICK TEAM RANK POS PLAYER RANK POS PLAYER RANK POS PLAYER POS PLAYER
1 TEXANS 1 RB Reggie Bush 2 OT D'Brick Ferguson 2 OT D'Brick Ferguson OT D'Brick Ferguson
Trade Possibility: LOW The Texans will listen, but will not initiate trade talk. It would undermine their strong position to do so. The Broncos don't have enough value to offer with just their two number one choices. They would have to add their next number one choice next year just to make it an even trade. Charlie Casserly will want a premium added even consider it. If the Jets offer their two number one choices plus their number one in next year's draft, they have a better package to offer than the Broncos. I maintain that the Jets must make the move to acquire Leinhart as both a strategic PR and improved performance move to compete with Eli Manning and the Giants in the NY/NJ competition for $ dominance.

2 SAINTS 1 RB Reggie Bush 4 QB Matt Leinart 5 LB AJ Hawk RB Reggie Bush
Trade Possibility: MEDIUM The Saints will wait their full fifteen minutes and wait for a call from the Jets or the Broncos. If Leinhart is available, the same rationale for a trade exists as it did with the Texans. However, the Saints would be a bit more receptive.

3 TITANS 3 DE Mario Williams 4 QB Matt Leinart 4 QB Matt Leinart QB Matt Leinart
Trade Possibility: LOW Leinhart is the obvious choice. The Titans cannot afford NOT to take him. Young's PRO day did not elevate him past Leinhart.

4 JETS 3 DE Mario Williams 6 QB Vince Young 6 QB Vince Young QB Vince Young
Trade Possibility: MEDIUM If the Jets don't make a run at Leinart, they'll probably "settle" for Vince Young. It won't be a slam-dunk decision, though. Super Mario would be a nice fit here, too.

5 PACKERS 3 DE Mario Williams 3 DE Mario Williams 5 LB AJ Hawk LB AJ Hawk
Trade Possibility: HIGH The Packers common sense prevails here. They are wishing for the second coming of Ray Nitschke. A run on LBs appears to be setting up, so the Pack will start the feeding frenzy.

6 49ERS 3 DE Mario Williams 12 RB LenDale White 17 LB Chad Greenway LB Chad Greenway
Trade Possibility: MEDIUM The 'Niners need for an LB is too great, so they line up for their LB.

7 RAIDERS 3 DE Mario Williams 11 QB Jay Cutler 7 DT Haloti Ngata DE Mario Williams
Trade Possibility: HIGH Al Davis won't expend his #1 draft pick on a QB now that the Raiders have acquired Aaron Brooks. It's too early to select LB Ernie Sims.

8 BILLS 7 DT Haloti Ngata 7 DT Haloti Ngata 19 OT Winston Justice DT Haloti Ngata
Trade Possibility: LOW The stars are perfectly aligned for the Bills on this pick. No change here from my previous mock draft.

9 LIONS 8 TE Vernon Davis 10 CB Jimmy Williams 19 OT Winston Justice CB Jimmy Williams
Trade Possibility: MEDIUM If Matt Millen takes another offensive player with the Lions' first pick, he's gone.

10 CARDINALS 8 TE Vernon Davis 11 QB Jay Cutler 20 OT Winston Justice TE Vernon Davis
Trade Possibility: MEDIUM Last week, I said that Denny Green is tossing a coin at this point. Now that Vernon Davis is available, his decision made for him.

11 RAMS 9 S Michael Huff 18 DE Tamba Hali 20 DT Brodrick Bunkley S Michael Huff
Trade Possibility: LOW Notice how one changed pick causes the whole deck to be re-shuffled. What was once a difficult choice becomes easy here.

12 BROWNS 11 QB Jay Cutler 14 WR Santonio Holmes 14 WR Santonio Holmes WR Santonio Holmes
Trade Possibility: MEDIUM Picking a QB here? Not after picking Charlie Frye last year. Another WR or a reach to get LB Ernie Sims?

13 RAVENS 11 QB Jay Cutler 11 QB Jay Cutler 19 OT Winston Justice QB Jay Cutler
Trade Possibility: LOW As the old philosopher, Aristotle, once said, "You can never have too many good QBs."

14 EAGLES 12 RB LenDale White 12 RB LenDale White 19 OT Winston Justice RB LenDale White
Trade Possibility: LOW No change in my draft at this pick. Here comes Thunder to Westbrook's Lightning.

15 BRONCOS 13 RB DeAngelo Williams 23 WR Chad Jackson 23 WR Chad Jackson WR Chad Jackson
Trade Possibility: HIGH If the Broncos fail to trade up, this would be a nice pick.

16 DOLPHINS 13 RB DeAngelo Williams 20 DT Brodrick Bunkley 19 OT Winston Justice DT Brodrick Bunkley
Trade Possibility: LOW Nick Saban makes the wise choice.

17 VIKINGS 13 RB DeAngelo Williams 19 OT Winston Justice 19 OT Winston Justice OT Winston Justice
Trade Possibility: LOW A safe pick by a new coaching organization for a new owner.

18 COWBOYS 13 RB DeAngelo Williams 21 LB Ernie Sims 21 LB Ernie Sims LB DeMeco Ryans
Trade Possibility: HIGH The Cowboys have a history of trading down from this area. They want more mid-level picks, but trading partners will be hard to find. Ernie Sims is not the prototypical LB to suit Parcells. An RB for the Cowboys at this pick does nothing for them. THR currently has LBs Sims and Ryans ranked 21 and 22 respectively. Ryans fits Parcells LB criteria more closely.

19 CHARGERS 13 RB DeAngelo Williams 25 OT Marcus McNeill 25 OT Marcus McNeill OT Marcus McNeill
Trade Possibility: LOW Funny how needs and player availability sometimes are in sync.

20 CHIEFS 16 RB Laurence Maroney 16 CB Tye Hill 16 CB Tye Hill CB Tye Hill
Trade Possibility: LOW Wonder why the decision takes 15 minutes?

21 PATRIOTS 13 RB DeAngelo Williams 13 RB DeAngelo Williams 21 LB Ernie Sims RB DeAngelo Williams
Trade Possibility: LOW It's surprising how the Patriots manage to acquire good, young talent year in and year out. You'll hear DeAngelo Williams name being called a lot during Patriot games this next season.

22 BRONCOS 15 RB Laurence Maroney 18 DE Tamba Hali 27 DT Gabe Watson DE Tamba Hali
Trade Possibility: HIGH If this pick is not traded, the Broncos will continue to upgrade their defense. S Darnell Bing is not rated high enough to take with this pick.

RMANCIL
04-04-2006, 08:57 AM
cont

23 BUCCANEERS 15 RB Laurence Maroney 29 OT Eric Winston 29 OT Eric Winston OT Eric Winston
Trade Possibility: LOW This drafting thing ain't so hard. Local boy stays home.

24 BENGALS 15 RB Laurence Maroney 27 DT Gabe Watson 27 DT Gabe Watson DT Gabe Watson
Trade Possibility: LOW My previous mock draft had DT Broderick Bunkley going here, but with all the free agency activity changing needs of teams picking earlier, this choice is still a DT and it becomes Gabe Watson.

25 GIANTS 15 RB Laurence Maroney 21 LB Ernie Sims 21 LB Ernie Sims LB Ernie Sims
Trade Possibility: LOW This pick remains Ernie Sims.

26 BEARS 15 RB Laurence Maroney 33 WR Sinorice Moss 32 LB Bobby Carpenter WR Sinorice Moss
Trade Possibility: LOW TE Leonard Pope is available, but Moss wins by virtue of his down field threat. A TE in the next round, O.K.?

27 PANTHERS 15 RB Laurence Maroney 15 RB Laurence Maroney 32 LB Bobby Carpenter RB Laurence Maroney
Trade Possibility: LOW Let's see…I need a WR and LB, but with Maroney, I also fill a need and he's a great steal here.

28 JAGUARS 24 DE Mathias Kiwanuka 32 LB Bobby Carpenter 32 LB Bobby Carpenter LB Bobby Carpenter
Trade Possibility: MEDIUM The Jags get full value for this pick.

29 JETS 24 DE Mathias Kiwanuka 50 OT Jonathan Scott 50 OT Jonathan Scott DE Mathias Kiwanuka
Trade Possibility: HIGH After trading Abraham, Kiwanuka is a hopeful substitute.
30 COLTS 26 CB Ashton Youboty 45 RB Joseph Addai 36 LB D'Qwell Jackson LB D'Qwell Jackson
Trade Possibility: LOW This is a dead heat between Addai and Jackson. I believe Jackson will get the decision.

31 SEAHAWKS 26 CB Ashton Youboty 26 CB Ashton Youboty 37 LB Thomas Howard CB Ashton Youboty
Trade Possibility: LOW If they can pull off the Nate Burleson trick, my money is on Youboty.

32 STEELERS 28 TE Leonard Pope 33 OC Nick Mangold 60 WR Derek Hagan OC Nick Mangold
Trade Possibility: LOW The free agency moves of all teams have made this pick a little more challenging.
SELECTION BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE PLAYER FILLING GREATEST NEED BEST TACTICAL CHOICE PLAYER FRED'S FRANTIC FIFTEEN-MINUTE DECISIONS
PICK TEAM RANK POS PLAYER RANK POS PLAYER RANK POS PLAYER POS PLAYER

33 TEXANS 28 TE Leonard Pope 40 CB Antonio Cromartie 60 WR Derek Hagan CB Antonio Cromartie

34 SAINTS 28 TE Leonard Pope 43 CB Kelly Jennings 37 LB Thomas Howard LB Thomas Howard

35 JETS 28 TE Leonard Pope 50 OT Jonathan Scott 51 OT Jonathan Scott OT Jonathan Scott

36 PACKERS 28 TE Leonard Pope 44 RB Joseph Addai 44 RB Joseph Addai RB Joseph Addai

37 49ERS 28 TE Leonard Pope 28 TE Leonard Pope 60 WR Derek Hagan TE Leonard Pope

38 RAIDERS 30 TE Marcedes Lewis 31 OG Max Jean-Gilles 41 LB Abdul Hodge LB Abdul Hodge

39 TITANS 30 TE Marcedes Lewis 55 OT Ryan O'Callaghan 55 OT Ryan O'Callaghan OT Ryan O'Callaghan

40 LIONS 30 TE Marcedes Lewis 31 OG Max Jean-Gilles 74 LB Roger McIntosh TE Marcedes Lewis

41 CARDINALS 31 OG Max Jean-Gilles 58 OT Jeremy Trueblood 58 OT Jeremy Trueblood OT Jeremy Trueblood

42 BILLS 31 OG Max Jean-Gilles 62 OT Daryn Colledge 60 WR Derek Hagan OT Daryn Colledge

43 BROWNS 31 OG Max Jean-Gilles 42 DE Manny Lawson 74 LB Roger McIntosh DE Manny Lawson

44 RAVENS 31 OG Max Jean-Gilles 43 CB Kelly Jennings 43 CB Kelly Jennings CB Kelly Jennings

45 EAGLES 31 OG Max Jean-Gilles 46 DT Claude Wroten 60 WR Derek Hagan DT Claude Wroten

46 RAMS 31 OG Max Jean-Gilles 45 DE Kamerion Wimbley 45 DE Kamerion Wimbley DE Kamerion Wimbley

47 FALCONS 31 OG Max Jean-Gilles 47 DE Darryl Tapp 60 WR Derek Hagan OG Max Jean-Gilles

48 VIKINGS 35 S Darnell Bing 35 S Darnell Bing 74 LB Roger McIntosh S Darnell Bing

49 COWBOYS 38 S Jason Allen 38 S Jason Allen 60 WR Derek Hagan S Jason Allen

50 CHARGERS 39 S Ko Simpson 49 OG Davin Joseph 60 WR Derek Hagan WR Derek Hagan

51 VIKINGS 39 S Ko Simpson 56 RB Maurice Drew 74 LB Roger McIntosh RB Maurice Drew

52 PATRIOTS 39 S Ko Simpson 53 CB Alan Zemaitis 74 LB Roger McIntosh S Ko Simpson

53 REDSKINS 47 DE Darryl Tapp 49 OG Davin Joseph 74 LB Roger McIntosh OG Davin Joseph

54 CHIEFS 47 DE Darryl Tapp 51 DT Rodrique Wright 71 WR Demetrius Williams DT Rodrique Wright

55 BENGALS 47 DE Darryl Tapp 53 CB Alan Zemaitis 82 QB Brodie Croyle CB Alan Zemaitis

56 GIANTS 47 DE Darryl Tapp 59 DT Orien Harris 71 WR Demetrius Williams DT Orien Harris

57 BEARS 47 DE Darryl Tapp 54 TE Dominique Byrd 74 LB Roger McIntosh TE Dominique Byrd

58 PANTHERS 47 DE Darryl Tapp 71 WR Demetrius Williams 71 WR Demetrius Williams WR Demetrius Williams

59 BUCCANEERS 47 DE Darryl Tapp 47 DE Darryl Tapp 74 LB Roger McIntosh DE Darryl Tapp

60 JAGUARS 48 S Donte Whitner 65 RB Brian Calhoun 65 RB Brian Calhoun RB Brian Calhoun

61 BRONCOS 48 S Donte Whitner 48 S Donte Whitner 74 LB Roger McIntosh S Donte Whitner

62 COLTS 52 OG Taitusi Lutui 86 RB Leon Washington 86 RB Leon Washington RB Leon Washington

63 SEAHAWKS 52 OG Taitusi Lutui 52 OG Taitusi Lutui 75 WR Maurice Stovall OG Taitusi Lutui

64 STEELERS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 75 WR Maurice Stovall 75 WR Maurice Stovall WR Maurice Stovall

SELECTION BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE PLAYER FILLING GREATEST NEED BEST TACTICAL CHOICE PLAYER FRED'S FRANTIC FIFTEEN-MINUTE DECISIONS
PICK TEAM RANK POS PLAYER RANK POS PLAYER RANK POS PLAYER POS PLAYER

65 TEXANS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 78 WR Jason Avant 78 WR Jason Avant WR Jason Avant

66 TEXANS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 73 OC Greg Eslinger 70 OC Greg Eslinger OC Greg Eslinger

67 PACKERS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 63 CB DeMario Minter 94 WR Greg Jennings CB DeMario Minter

68 49ERS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 64 CB Jonathan Joseph 94 WR Greg Jennings CB Jonathan Joseph

69 RAIDERS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 82 QB Brodie Croyle 82 QB Brodie Croyle QB Brodie Croyle

70 BILLS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 67 S Daniel Bullocks 74 LB Roger McIntosh S Daniel Bullocks

71 JETS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 74 LB Roger McIntosh 74 LB Roger McIntosh LB Roger McIntosh

72 CARDINALS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 88 QB Charlie Whitehurst 80 LB Gerris Wilkerson LB Gerris Wilkerson

73 BILLS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 88 QB Charlie Whitehurst 96 LB AJ Nicholson LB AJ Nicholson

74 LIONS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 77 OT Andrew Whitworth 106 LB Jon Alston OT Andrew Whitworth

75 PATRIOTS 57 TE Anthony Fasano 68 CB Dee Webb 106 LB Jon Alston CB Dee Webb

76 EAGLES 57 TE Anthony Fasano 94 WR Greg Jennings 106 LB Jon Alston WR Maurice Stovall
77 RAMS 61 DT Babatunde Oshinowo 61 DT Babatunde Oshinowo 106 LB Jon Alston DT Babatunde Oshinowo

78 BROWNS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 69 DT Jonathan Lewis 106 LB Jon Alston DT Jonathan Lewis

79 FALCONS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 73 DE Ray Edwards 94 WR Greg Jennings DE Ray Edwards

80 COWBOYS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 88 QB Charlie Whitehurst 104 OT Rob Sims OT Rob Sims

81 CHARGERS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 72 OG Charles Spencer 106 LB Jon Alston OG Charles Spencer

82 DOLPHINS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 88 QB Charlie Whitehurst 106 LB Jon Alston QB Charlie Whitehurst

83 VIKINGS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 79 DT Jesse Mahelona 106 LB Jon Alston DT Jesse Mahelona

84 49ERS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 92 RB Jerome Harrison 94 WR Greg Jennings RB Jerome Harrison

85 CHIEFS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 89 QB Omar Jacobs 94 WR Greg Jennings WR Greg Jennings

86 PATRIOTS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 89 QB Omar Jacobs 106 LB Jon Alston QB Omar Jacobs

87 GIANTS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 84 CB Richard Marshall 100 WR Martin Nance WR Martin Nance

88 BEARS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 76 S Greg Blue 106 LB Jon Alston S Greg Blue
89 PANTHERS 66 TE Joe Klopfenstein 91 DE Mark Anderson 96 LB AJ Nicholson TE Joe Klopfenstein

90 BUCCANEERS 81 DT Dusty Dvoracek 84 CB Richard Marshall 106 LB Jon Alston CB Richard Marshall

91 BENGALS 81 DT Dusty Dvoracek 91 DE Mark Anderson 87 S Pat Watkins DE Mark Anderson
92 JAGUARS 81 DT Dusty Dvoracek 85 CB Devin Hester 103 WR Travis Wilson WR Travis Wilson

93 BRONCOS 81 DT Dusty Dvoracek 81 DT Dusty Dvoracek 106 LB Jon Alston DT Dusty Dvoracek
94 COLTS 83 DT Kyle Williams 83 DT Kyle Williams 109 WR Hank Baskett DT Kyle Williams

95 SEAHAWKS 85 CB Devin Hester 97 DE Elvis Dumervil 106 LB Jon Alston DE Elvis Dumervil

96 STEELERS 85 CB Devin Hester 93 RB Jerious Norwood 93 RB Jerious Norwood RB Jerious Norwood


USC running back Reggie Bush is scheduled to visit Houston on April 6.

Insight: During his visit, Bush will spend extensive time with Texans owner Bob McNair. The trip should seal the deal on the Texans making Bush the No. 1 selection on April 29, and negotiations for his contract should start soon thereafter.

ryry2104
04-04-2006, 10:19 AM
i likew the eric winston pick he is good and i like his size.

but are we drafting him too high? should we trade up to maybe the 25 pick?

RMANCIL
04-04-2006, 02:15 PM
Rick Gosselin's NFL draft rankings

QUARTERBACK


Matt Leinart Player School
1. Matt Leinart Southern California
2. Jay Cutler Vanderbilt
3. Vince Young Texas
4. Brodie Croyle Alabama
5. Kellen Clemens Oregon
RUNNING BACK


Reggie Bush Player School
1. Reggie Bush Southern California
2. D'Angelo Williams Memphis
3. Laurence Maroney Minnesota
4. LenDale White Southern California
5. Joseph Addai LSU
WIDE RECEIVER


Chad Jackson Player School
1. Chad Jackson Florida
2. Santontio Holmes Ohio State
3. Sinorice Moss Miami
4. Greg Jennings Western Michigan
5. Derek Hagan Arizona State
TIGHT END


Vernon Davis Player School
1. Vernon Davis Maryland
2. Marcedes Lewis UCLA
3. Anthony Fasano Notre Dame
4. Leonard Pope Georgia
5. Joe Klopfenstein Colorado
OFFENSIVE TACKLE


D'Brickashaw Ferguson Player School
1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia
2. Winston Justice Southern California
3. Marcus McNeill Auburn
4. Eric Winston Miami
5. Rashad Butler Miami
GUARD


Davin Joseph Player School
1. Davin Joseph Oklahoma
2. Max Jean-Gilles Georgia
3. Charles Spencer Pittsburgh
4. Taitusi Lutui Southern California
5. Fred Matua Southern California
CENTER


Nick Mangold Player School
1. Nick Mangold Ohio State
2. Chris Chester Oklahoma
3. Marvin Philip California
4. Ryan Cook New Mexico
5. Greg Eslinger Minnesota
DEFENSIVE END


Mario Williams Player School
1. Mario Williams North Carolina State
2. Tamba Hali Penn State
3. Manny Lawson North Carolina State
4. Mathias Kiwanuka Boston College
5. Kamerion Wimbley Florida State
DEFENSIVE TACKLE


Brodrick Bunkley Player School
1. Brodrick Bunkley Florida State
2. Haloti Ngata Oregon
3. John McCargo North Carolina State
4. Claude Wroten LSU
5. Gabe Watson Michigan
OUTSIDE LINEBACKER


A.J. Hawk Player School
1. A.J. Hawk Ohio State
2. Ernie Sims Florida State
3. Chad Greenway Iowa
4. Demeco Ryans Alabama
5. Bobby Carpenter Ohio State
INSIDE LINEBACKER


Player School
1. D'Qwell Jackson Maryland
2. Abdul Hodge Iowa
3. Gerris Wilkinson Georgia Tech
4. Leon Williams Miami
5. Anthony Schlegel Ohio State
CORNERBACK


Player School
1. Michael Huff Texas
2. Jimmy Williams Virginia Tech
3. Jonathan Joseph South Carolina
4. Kelly Jennings Miami
5. Jason Allen Tennessee
SAFETY


Player School
1. Donte Whitner Ohio State
2. Daniel Bullocks Nebraska
3. Ko Simpson South Carolina
4. Bernard Pollard Purdue
5. Anthony Smith Syracuse
KICKER/PUNTER/DEEP SNAPPER


Player School
1. Nick Huston (K) Ohio State
2. Ryan Plackemeyer (P) Wake Forest
3. John Stelly (P) La.-Monroe
4. Stephen Gostkowski (K) Memphis
5. Boone Stutz (DS) Texas A&M



Chris Chester Oklahoma
and Greg Jennings Western Michigan are suprise players and Rick Gosselin is pretty darn good judge of talent.

RMANCIL
04-04-2006, 02:47 PM
Schaub in Vikings' Sights?

Last year the Vikings injured Falcons quarterback Michael Vick and he was replaced by Matt Schaub, who looked very good in beating the Vikings. With an opening in the quarterback depth chart, the Vikings are looking for help and Matt Schaub might be the answer.

The Vikings, who are down to Brad Johnson, Mike McMahon and J.T. O'Sullivan after trading Daunte Culpepper, are one of a handful of teams that have allegedly contacted the Falcons about the 6-5, 237-pound Schaub. A third-round pick in the 2004 draft, Schaub has played in the West Coast Offense with the Falcons and would have a leg up on the competition if brought into the Vikings.

The price tag for Schaub would likely be the Vikings' first-round pick -- No. 17 overall. It may be hard for some to believe that a player who has never started would be worth more in a trade than a wounded former Pro Bowler in Culpepper, but that is the way things have shaped up in the "what have done for me lately?" NFL.

The Falcons currently don't have a first-round pick, having given it up to the Jets when they signed defensive end John Abraham.

At 6-foot-5, 237 pounds, Schaub has played in 22 games with two starts, has a 49.3 completion percentage and a 68.8 passer rating, but in 2005 that last category was dramatically better at 98.1.

http://vikings.scout.com/2/516573.html

The Bills and Houston Texans have worked out their trade and informed Eric Moulds that he is going to the Texans.


LenDale White PRO DAY TALK (http://media.www.dailytrojan.com/media/storage/paper679/news/2006/04/04/Sports/Bush-Is.Better.Rb.Candidate-1778826.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailytrojan.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com)

Apparently, LenDale White didn't get the memo.

Reggie Bush, not White, was the one who didn't have much to prove during USC's Pro Day. But judging by their performances, it looked the other way around.

Not only did White fail to impress, he failed to make an impression. He did only 15 reps of 225 pounds in the bench press - one more than punter Tom Malone - and then called it quits. He said his hamstring was injured, preventing him from taking part in any other drills. It surprised everyone including Bush, who put on a show despite the fact that he will almost certainly be drafted No. 1 by the Houston Texans.

"I was surprised," Bush said. "At the end of the day, he said he was hurt. You can't push that."

Well, White could have pushed that. Offensive lineman Winston Justice pulled his hamstring during the 40-yard dash, but still participated in the shuttle, the three-cone drill and individual offensive linemen workouts. As a result, some scouts were saying Justice might move up and become a top-10 draft pick.

NFL scouts don't make their decision solely on workout numbers. They also look at work ethic and attitude. It seemed like White didn't even want to be there, something the scouts must have noticed.

"Before you even start the combine, they said 90 percent of your grade is already made up," Bush said.

White's not doing that well with the other 10 percent at this point, while Bush is proving his dedication and work ethic.

With nothing on the line, Bush ran a 40-yard-dash in 4.33 seconds and did 24 reps at 225 pounds in the bench press. And while Bush could have said he was happy with those results, his competitive attitude was apparent when he said he felt like he could have ran the 40 in 4.29 and done 26 reps.

Bush looked ripped and in the best shape of his life. It showed in his workouts.

"He's a physical specimen," quarterback Matt Leinart said. "He probably showed that he's stronger than maybe they saw. He takes his shirt off, and he's just frickin' huge."

White has gotten huge, too, but not in a good way. White weighed in at 244 pounds, which is six pounds heavier than he was at the NFL combine about a month ago. It wasn't quite as big as he was at the Rose Bowl when he admitted he was over 250 pounds because of poor eating habits over winter break.

I'm not knocking White's ability on the football field - he scored more touchdowns than anybody in the history of Tailback U and had a great performance in the Rose Bowl - but didn't have the right mentality on Pro Day.

This was the one day he could shine and prove his doubters wrong. Every great player has doubters. Some doubted Bush's overall strength, Leinart's arm strength and White's speed. That's why Bush and Leinart went out to prove the doubters wrong and did a pretty good job at it. White didn't do that. He still doesn't have a 40 time as a running back and the draft is less than a month away.

"If you're a team, how do you take a running back that doesn't run a 40-yard dash?" Houston Texans general manager Charley Casserly said. "At some point you gotta find out how fast somebody is, so I hope this young man realizes before the draft he needs to run or I hope he has made a deal with a team that's gonna take him in the first round."

There is the theory that White possibly already has a deal in place with a team, which is why he didn't run, but that seems highly unlikely. The draft can be very unpredictable.

White was unavailable for comment, but he did tell ESPN.com this: "I'm the only true big back in the first round, and people who want the physical runner are going to have to look at me."

That's hardly the attitude White should have. It makes it seem like the NFL needs him more than he needs the NFL. Bush understands that he is fortunate enough to have this opportunity and be in this position.

"It's everything we dreamed of. It's something we've been waiting for all our lives that we work towards. It's a blessing to be in this position now and be able to live our dreams," Bush said.

Of course, Bush was speaking about those who participated at Pro Day. I'm not sure if that involves White or not. Unlike White, Bush worked hard to prepare and was just glad it was over.

"I'm going to go and take a vacation," he said.

Apparently, White already took his.

It is being reported that White had dinner with Denver the night before before his pro day.

More on the USC PRO DAY (http://http://www.presstelegram.com/usc/ci_3666543)

If anyone opened some eyes, it was offensive tackle Winston Justice, who had a 39-inch vertical jump - an inch-and-a-half shy of Bush's team-best.

"That's off the charts for an offensive tackle," Carolina coach John Fox said.

Justice also bench pressed 225 pounds 38 times, and his quick feet were put to use in the one-on-one drills. He pulled up in the final five yards of the 40, feeling his hamstring tighten, but there was some speculation that Justice could leap into the top 10.

No such leap appears possible for tailback LenDale White. The day was supposed to be important for White, USC's all-time leading touchdown scorer, since he not only hadn't been tested at the NFL combine in February - like many of the Trojans - but he raised red flags by looking out of shape.

On Sunday, White weighed in at 244 pounds - nine more than he was listed at last season - and managed just 15 reps on the bench press, nine less than Bush, and one more than punter Tom Malone. He didn't run the 40, citing a pulled hamstring.

R4PT0R
04-04-2006, 07:09 PM
I don't think Atlanta needs OT help. They need Secondary help.

Um, the Falcons just picked up veteran tackle machine Lawyer Milloy, so I doubt they will be addressing secondary in the first round - but i may be wrong.. probably not tho lol

RMANCIL
04-04-2006, 07:48 PM
Leinart leaves Titans 'definitely impressed' (http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060404/SPORTS01/604040347/1027) For the full story hit the link

They spent three hours watching film and going over plays with him on the chalkboard in a meeting room on the USC campus. Then they headed to the same practice field where on Sunday Leinart showed his arm strength and mobility to NFL scouts.

Sunday's workout was designed by Leinart's representatives, but yesterday the Titans were in charge.

"We did some different routes, some things on the move,'' Coach Jeff Fisher said. "We did a lot more footwork stuff, more deep balls and touch passes. I'd have to say we were very impressed with everything that took place today.''

The day ended at dinner with Reese, Fisher and Leinart, as well as the player's mother, father and brother.

The Titans have the No. 3 overall pick in the April 29-30 NFL Draft and are expected to take a quarterback — Leinart, Vince Young of Texas or Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt. The Titans have now spent extensive time with all three, and aren't done yet.

"At the next level guys are a lot faster and bigger and I think I showed that I can move,'' Leinart said. "This is important because it gives them a first-hand look at what I can do.''

Just as they did with Young during his private workout last month in Austin, Texas, the Titans had a planeload here to see and meet with Leinart.


Bills might have a chance at Texas QB Young (http://http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060404/SPORTS0101/604040340/1007/SPORTS) Hit the link for the full story

Some NFL scouts reportedly believe quarterback Vince Young won't be among the top 10 picks in the NFL draft on April 29.

If that's true (and I'm not buying it), it's amazing how much his stock has dropped without playing a game since his spectacular Rose Bowl performance for Texas in its upset victory over Southern California for the national title.

If Young were available at No. 8, should the Buffalo Bills take him? The latest hot name for that pick is USC offensive tackle Winston Justice, who might still be available if Buffalo traded down a few spots.

Adams wants Titans to pick QB of future (http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060330/SPORTS01/603300414/1027)

Titans owner Bud Adams sounds like he's ready to draft the franchise's quarterback of the future.

The current starting quarterback, however, sounds like he's not ready to step aside anytime soon

With less than a month remaining before the NFL Draft, there's still plenty of intrigue about what the Titans will do with the No. 3 overall pick and what the future holds for veteran quarterback Steve McNair.

"We ought to get a pretty good quarterback out of this draft,'' Adams said at the NFL owners meetings in Orlando, Fla. "Drafting No. 3, we ought to get a pretty good quarterback in that spot right there. … I hope we get a guy who can be our leader for about 10 years. It's time for that, I think.''

Matt Leinart (USC), Vince Young (Texas) and Jay Cutler (Vanderbilt) are the top three quarterbacks in the April 29-30 draft. The last time the Titans had the No. 3 pick, in 1995, they selected McNair.

McNair's agent, Bus Cook, said yesterday his client wants to be a starter for several more seasons. Cook also indicated that McNair isn't too excited about perhaps having to groom his potential successor.

Complicating matters is McNair's contract. He's scheduled to count $23.46 million against Tennessee's salary cap in 2006, including a base salary of $9 million.

The Titans would like to lower the cap number, which will require restructuring the contract, but talks between Cook and the team are stagnant. There's a chance the Titans could release McNair, who is heading toward his 12th season.

"All I know is Steve is a starter and he is one of the best quarterbacks in football. And if the Titans do in fact draft a new quarterback and they want Steve to stay around and be a mentor to him, then he needs to have a long-term deal. Otherwise it doesn't make sense for him to stay around," Cook said.

"He is a starter. Why would he want to mentor a young guy to take his place? He is not ready for the rocking chair. It doesn't matter if it is Cutler, Leinart, Vince Young or anybody else. It doesn't make sense for Steve McNair to take a huge cut in pay — it wouldn't be this year obviously, but it would be next — to be a mentor for some young guy no matter who it is. It might be great for Tennessee, but it wouldn't be good for Steve.''

The Titans have paid very close attention to Leinart, Young and Cutler in recent weeks, sending a number of scouts, coaches and officials to the Pro Days for Cutler and Young, and spending additional time with them at private workouts.

General Manager Floyd Reese, Coach Jeff Fisher and offensive coordinator Norm Chow are part of a large group scheduled to attend Leinart's Pro Day on Sunday. They will stay in Los Angeles on Monday to work out Leinart privately.

The Titans have been reluctant to offer McNair a deal containing guarantees beyond '06. Cook is interested in a contract that would pay McNair a hefty signing bonus, along with guarantees.

Other teams in need of a veteran quarterback, including the Baltimore Ravens, are keeping an eye on the situation.

"If he is going to play one year he'll play in Tennessee. But if he wants to play three or four more years, which he can, somebody else would pay him I imagine,'' Cook said. "Steve is not a back-up. He is a starter and he should be a starter for two or three years, and he is not there to train a young quarterback right now. Maybe two or three years from now, but not now.

"And I don't think (the Titans) can pay him and a high draft pick (quarterback). ... Steve is just ready to play football, whether it is going to be with the Titans or somebody else.''

Reese had a "good visit" with Cook on Monday, adding, "every day we get closer to a point and time where we are going to have to work something out.''

As for the draft, Reese deferred to the words of the team owner.

"Coming from his lips, he carries a bunch of weight. He's the boss,'' Reese said. "But I think he is probably right. It is no surprise to anybody in the football world that it's getting about time (to draft a quarterback). It is a position we have to address.

RMANCIL
04-04-2006, 07:48 PM
Leinart: Questions about arm thrown out (http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060403/SPORTS01/604030361/1027)

LOS ANGELES — Over a half-dozen firemen stood on their trucks yesterday outside Cromwell Field, not to put out a fire but to catch a glimpse of the hottest event in town.

At Pro Day on the Southern Cal campus, NFL officials, media and fans alike came in droves, packing the stands and field. Many were there to see running back Reggie Bush, expected to be the No. 1 pick of the draft and one of 19 draft-eligible Trojans working out.

The Titans were there mainly to see quarterback Matt Leinart, who at the end of the sun-drenched day gave himself a passing grade, but was less than satisfied.

"I thought I could have done better, but I am happy with what I showed. I think I answered some questions about my arm strength and moving around and throwing and stuff,'' Leinart said. "It's been a long day, but I think I did well. This feels like a big burden has been lifted off my shoulders. … I still have a few workouts now, and then the draft is the next step.''

One of those private workouts for Leinart is scheduled for today with the Titans, who came away from yesterday's workout feeling like they know the left-hander a little bit better.

Leinart chose not to run the 40-yard dash, but he threw nearly four-dozen passes to receivers and did the long jump and vertical jump. In the passing portion of the workout, Leinart showed good arm strength, though he wasn't on target with all of his passes.

"He made all the throws, his footwork was good and the mechanics were good,'' said Titans Coach Jeff Fisher, who brushed off questions about Leinart's accuracy. "All you have to do is watch the Notre Dame game and watch the fourth-and-10 throw. He's made those kinds of throws throughout his career.''

But the Titans, after also watching Pro Days for Texas quarterback Vince Young and Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler in recent weeks, haven't decided which of the three quarterbacks they like best so far.

At least they're not saying. With the No. 3 pick of the April 29-30 draft, the Titans are expected to take a quarterback.

"I think right now we have to call it a draw,'' Titans General Manager Floyd Reese said with a smile. "Is that a surprise?''

With at least three head coaches — Houston's Gary Kubiak, Carolina's John Fox and Fisher — and general managers and scouts in attendance from every NFL team, Leinart and Bush attracted the most attention yesterday, while another USC running back — LenDale White — disappointed the group because he opted not to run the 40 because of a sore right hamstring.

Bush was anything but a disappointment. He ran the 40 in a time of 4.33 and bench pressed 225 pounds a total of 24 times — nine more times than White, who weighs 42 pounds more than the 5-11, 202-pound Bush.

"Overall, I think I proved I should be the No. 1 pick,'' said Bush, who had dinner last night with Titans officials after meeting with the Texans on Saturday night. "I thought I maybe could have pushed a 4.29 out of there, but overall I'm pretty happy.''

With enough star players around to deflect some of the attention off him, Leinart seemed at ease yesterday morning as he prepared for one of the biggest tests of his life.

Before some of his events, he poured water from his Dasani bottle on the heads of teammates, and pulled the headphones off Bush's ears. Then he had a 9-foot-6 long jump, and better-than-expected 37-inch vertical jump.

When it came time to run the 40, Leinart passed. He also chose not to do the bench press.

"I just don't feel like me running the 40 is going to prove anything,'' he said. "They know I am not a running quarterback — I am not a Michael Vick. I am not going to run a 4.4, though I think I would probably run a pretty good time. … The 40-yard dash for me is pointless I think.''

Leinart grabbed a bowl of fruit during a break, and ate half of an oatmeal raisin cookie.

An hour later, it was time to do what everyone came to see — sling the football.

Throwing to a group of receivers that included Bush, White, Titans tight end Gregg Guenther, Titans receiver Grant Mattos and long-time NFL receiver Curtis Conway, Leinart threw a wide variety of passes, from short throws across the middle to out patterns 20-25 yards down the field.

He really aired it out on several throws, connecting on a beautiful 45-yard pass to Bush and a few throws deep to White and Conway.

"I had heard some questions about his arm strength and I didn't see that being a factor today,'' Fox said. "To me his arm strength looked fine. He understands the pro style offense. I don't think he'll be hanging around at (No.) 27, I'll say that.''

Of his 46 throws, Leinart completed 36. At least four were drops, and a few others were the result of communication problems be-tween Leinart and his receivers, some of which he hadn't worked with leading up to the Pro Day.

While Leinart had a few throws that were off-target, he completed nine in a row and six in a row in two stretches.

"I was a little tight on the first throws, and I think toward the end I came through with good balls down the field,'' Leinart said.

"I think in situations like this, sometimes you try and overdo it … and you kind of overthrow guys.''

The weather conditions were mostly good, but a bit windy.

"I don't think he did anything that was surprising,'' Texans General Manager Charley Casserly said of Leinart. "He had a good workout. I don't think he did anything here that hurt him or helped him because he is one of the top picks in the draft anyway.''

The big question now is, "How high?'' And perhaps, "Who will pick him?''

Leinart is also scheduled to work out for Jets, who have the fourth overall pick but could attempt to trade up.

Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow was among the large group of team officials on hand yesterday. He didn't hide his positive feelings about Leinart, who he used to coach at USC.

"Matt doesn't have to convince me, but we all have to get it done,'' Chow said. "I am sure the general manager and the head coach will make a good decision.''

RMANCIL
04-05-2006, 03:42 AM
It's not personal ... it's personnel
A league source gives the real scoop on top prospects (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/03/31/draft/index.html)


During the league meetings in Orlando I sat down for a deep-cover type of conversation with my favorite NFL executive. His first name is A. His last name is Personnel Man. We call him in print "A Personnel Man," because if you use his real name he won't talk to you anymore and then I won't be able to write this kind of column.

He doesn't like his name used because most of what he has to say is negative, or at least it is this year. I've never known him to gush, which is great because I hate gushing. He finds things wrong. So do I. I asked him what he thought of the unbridled riches available for free agents these days. He smiled because he liked this question.

"Too much money. Not enough players," he said.

"An agent told me," he added, "'You can't go by last year's contracts. Look at the way the cap went up.' I told him the cap went up but the players' ability didn't."

I told him I wanted to know who the top potential draft choices are. "I'm having trouble finding 10 elite ones," I said.

"Not easy this year," he said.

First, one must sort out the quarterbacks. We're assuming that Tennessee, in the No. 3 spot, will go for a QB. I've been told that the Titans' offensive coordinator, Norm Chow, who coached Matt Leinart at USC, lines them up in this order: Leinart, Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt, Vince Young of Texas. The rest of the staff is split between Leinart and Young at No. 1.

New Orleans, which drafts second, already has signed ex-Charger Drew Brees to a high-paying contract. "It's unrealistic to think that the Saints could draft a quarterback at No. 2 and tie up $40 or $50 million in guaranteed money for two players," our source says.

But someone always could trade into that spot for a QB. Or use it to leapfrog into the Texans' spot at No. 1, since it's no secret that Houston's coach, Gary Kubiak, wants to draft a runner, Reggie Bush. It would make a lot of sense for the Texans to move down one spot, provided they were sure that the new No. 1 team would draft a QB. Houston would get its guy, plus an extra draft. But Houston couldn't move lower than No. 2 for fear of losing Bush

Young is slightly ahead of Cutler, behind Leinart. The stories of Young's supposed score of 6 in the Wonderlic IQ test are not true, we were told. Seven, and then 15 on a re-test, are the correct numbers.

Is Leinart another Peyton Manning in 1998?" I asked my man. "The safest pick among the quarterbacks?"

"Except for one thing that makes me nervous about him," he said. "Manning had an intense work ethic on and off the field, and I don't sense it about Leinart, the lifting, etc. Of course that could change by the time camp starts."

I told you this guy was inclined to be negative. How about Young? Is it fair to say he's a young Randall Cunningham?

"Well, I never saw Cunningham in college," he said, "and the best person right now to ask about Randall's rookie year with the Eagles would be Ron Jaworski. He was his teammate then."

As the draft approaches, I'll talk to Jaworski.

OK, let's give away Bush, Young and Leinart to somebody in the first three picks. That leaves Cutler at No. 4 if the Jets would be interested. Which would mean that they re-signed their starter, Chad Pennington, they traded for Patrick Ramsey and then they would draft a third one, which would give them the trifecta. Hard to see that happening.

So here are a few potential top-10 names. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, the tackle for Virginia. That might not be a bad choice for New Orleans, either.

"A good player," my man says, "but not in the class of a Tony Boselli. I'd say more on the level of a Levi Jones."

It can be a mystifying position at times. The surest left tackle bet since Boselli was Robert Gallery of Iowa and look at him now, struggling at RT for the Raiders.

"The only thing I can think of," says our super-scout, "is that those Iowa tackles are so well coached, so well drilled, that their excellence of technique masks their athletic ability."

The second-best tackle projection is Winston Justice of USC. Potentially a top 10 selection?

"A risk," says my man. "Great ability, but his performance depended on which game you watched him in. He didn't play in 2004 and he absolutely should have stayed in school another year. He really would have helped himself. He has athletic ability, he'll look great in workouts, he's just inconsistent."

OK, I'll do it this way. I'll shoot out the names, followed by Deep Throat's capsule comments and hopefully we'll find a top 10 choice or two.

Ohio State LB A.J. Hawk and Maryland TE Vernon Davis:

"Both should be top 10. When's the last time you saw a tight end run in the 4.3s? I don't remember ever seeing one."

Jimmy Williams of Virginia Tech, supposedly the best cornerback:

"An enigma. Played much better in '04 than '05. More of a cover two corner. Maybe they could move him inside."

How about Max Jean-Gilles, the 355-pound Georgia guard, plus another serious jumbo, Haloti Ngata, the 338-pound Oregon DT?

"Jean-Gilles is a road grader type. When you see him live, he's more athletic than he looks on tape. But he's got a weight problem, and the percentage of guys who overcome that isn't good. Ngata is a man, a huge physical guy. If he wants to he can really stack things up at the point, but he didn't play hard all the time. There wasn't a lot of production. I'm afraid he's more hype than substance."

OK, here's a guy whose stock is soaring right now. He could be a safetyman or a corner projection. His combine speed was 4.34, which you seldom see for strong safeties. I'm talking about Michael Huff of Texas.

"Look, I'm really sorry to be so negative, but here's what I see here. I see a guy who has trained very hard to run the 40 at the combine. He runs it too effectively. Everybody's getting better at this speed thing. They're learning how to train for it very efficiently. The trick is not to get fooled by this. Huff is a guy who runs fast but doesn't play fast."

OK, Mr. A, could you please give me one sleeper, a guy who's not projected near the top of the board but might slip in?

"Ernie Sims, outside linebacker from Florida State. I see him listed as the fourth- or fifth-best linebacker on some charts. He's a lot better than that. An undersized guy with tremendous athletic ability."

During Super Bowl week I ran into Warren Moon, who has a radio show in Seattle. We talked about Brett Favre, of all things. Moon lines up with the people who feel that the great Packer will call it quits.

"I think it's been a struggle for him," the new Hall of Famer says. "You can see by the way he's played the last couple of years. I think if he could see a turnaround coming, he'd come back. But I don't think he sees that. Just my opinion, though."

ANOTHER ITEM: New Orleans restaurateur Emeril Lagasse was so happy that Brees came to the Saints that he promised to cook the QB "his first meal when he gets to town -- in his house."

My advice to Brees: take a pass on it. That pate with pineapple, those green things that had the consistency of rubber heels. Eeeugh!

Shamrock
04-05-2006, 11:43 AM
Ron -

That was a good read. This draft might have some major busts at the top, with very good players in the 2nd to middle rounds.

We're at the annual point in year where "information overload" is kicking in, and confusion becomes a constant.

:D

RMANCIL
04-06-2006, 01:25 PM
Schaub not for sale
<Apr. 5> Contrary to published reports out of Minnesota, the Falcons told ESPN's Chris Mortensen they have not been contacted by the Vikings about Schaub.
Many teams have expressed interest in Schaub, but the Falcons insist they have no intention of trading their promising quarterback. If the Falcons do decide to move Schaub, they'll likely demand more than a first-round pick, according to Mortensen.

The Vikings are looking for a young quarterback to develop, and Schaub has the West Coast offense skills that would work for Brad Childress in Minnesota. With the Vikings unlikely to get any of the top three quarterbacks in this year's draft, they might have to consider meeting Atlanta's acking price for Schaub, writes ESPN.com's John Clayton.


Lions driving hard bargain
<Apr. 6> According to the Cincinnati Inquirer, the Lions have upped their demands for Harrington. Once believed to be a deep second-day pick, the Lions asking price is now a third- or fourth-round pick, a price deemed too high by Harrington's two main pursuers.
The Bengals have offered Harrington a one-year contract, while the Dolphins already have a two-year deal in place, but neither team is willing to meet Detroit's demands.

Although they have not scheduled a visit with Harrington, the Broncos are closely monitoring the situation, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports.

Don't be shocked if the Lions take a QB in this draft and keep a eye on the Vikings they are in the QB market place and have to draft picks to move up to get their man.

As each day goes by the Texans are selling Bush more and more to their fans.
Their GM wet his paints just a couple of days ago during one interview.
At this point he is all but a lock at number 1# .

RMANCIL
04-06-2006, 01:36 PM
Saints trade LT Gandy to Falcons for safety Scott (http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2399461)



ATLANTA -- Filling one of their biggest remaining offseason needs, the Atlanta Falcons on Thursday afternoon reached an agreement to acquire New Orleans left offensive tackle Wayne Gandy in a trade that sends three-year veteran safety Bryan Scott and an undisclosed draft choice to the Saints.

The trade, unusual in that it involves division rivals, is expected to be completed on Friday when the pertinent paperwork is forwarded to the league offices.

In Gandy, the Falcons are acquiring a 35-year-old veteran who played at a very high level in 2005, and who should be able to provide Atlanta a couple more good seasons. Landing him allows the Falcons to take time to develop Frank Omiyale. A fifth-round selection from Tennessee Tech in 2005, Omiyale did not play a single snap as a rookie, but Falcons coaches love his potential and view him as their starter of the future.


This just about locks the Saints to take Ferguson at LOT with their selection in round one unless they could move back with a trade to the Jets who claim to be out of the QB hunt.

RMANCIL
04-06-2006, 01:49 PM
By Todd McShay
Scouts Inc.
Archive Updated: April 6, 2006, 1:30 PM ET

Postseason all-star games and the annual scouting combine are long gone, and more than a month full of pro day workouts have come to a close. Furthermore, what was a whirlwind of a free-agency period has tapered off considerably in recent weeks.

What does it all mean? The 2006 NFL draft is rapidly approaching. With less than a month remaining before draft weekend kicks off on April 29, here's an updated look at how the first two rounds are shaping up:

+ = Underclassman x = Still to be determined by coin flip

1. Houston Texans (2-14)
Top five needs: WR, OT, OG, CB, MLB
The pick: +Reggie Bush, RB, USC
It would take a blockbuster trade offer to entice the Texans to pass on Bush, who cemented his status as the clear-cut No. 1 prospect in the 2006 draft class by running a 4.33 40-yard dash at USC's recent pro day. Running back is not one of the Texans' top positional needs, but Bush is far more than just a running back. He's the most explosive runner, receiver and return man that this year's class has to offer. No other rookie will make a bigger impact than Bush will for the Texans next season.

2. New Orleans Saints (3-13)
Top five needs: DT, OC, CB, OLB, DE
The pick: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
The Saints have put this pick up for public auction and are likely to deal to the highest bidder. If that's the case, the team moving into this pick (Jets?) will do so for Leinart's services. Plan B is a bit trickier. The popular belief is that the Saints would make a tough decision between OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson (Virginia) and DE Mario Williams (N.C. State). But don't count Leinart out yet. The Saints are concerned about QB Drew Brees' long-term durability (shoulder) and structured his contract in a manner that would let them off the hook a year from now should they choose. With that in mind, there's still a realistic possibility that the Saints stay put and take Leinart with this pick.

3. Tennessee Titans (4-12)
Top five needs: OT, MLB, QB, RB, OC
The pick: +Vince Young, QB, Texas
Leinart seems like a natural fit if he's on the board because of his relationship with Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow. However, if Bush and Leinart are off the board, the team will have a tough decision to make between Ferguson and Young. The Titans have a more immediate need at offensive tackle, which would make Ferguson awfully tough to pass on. From the sounds of it though, owner Floyd Reese, head coach Jeff Fisher and Chow are extremely high on Young. Young spent last offseason working out with Steve McNair, so he could be a natural pick.

4. New York Jets (4-12)
Top five needs: RB, OT, OLB, QB, OG
The pick: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
If the team can't get a deal done to move up for Leinart, it will be waiting with bated breath to see whether Ferguson falls to pick No. 4. If Ferguson is still on the board, the Jets will waste little time sending their representative to the podium. Just as a side note; unlike the Titans, the Jets are rumored to value QB Jay Cutler (Vanderbilt) over Young. They don't want to take Cutler this high, but they would consider it strongly if Bush, Leinart and Ferguson are gone by the fourth pick.

5. Green Bay Packers (4-12)
Top five needs: OG, OLB, DE, OC, WR
The pick: +Mario Williams, DE, NC State
The Packers have done a decent job of addressing their needs at wide receiver (Rod Gardner), defensive tackle (Ryan Pickett) and safety (Marquand Manuel) this offseason. Still missing, though, is an impact playmaker on defense. Ohio State OLB A.J. Hawk would be tough to pass up, but Williams' ceiling is higher because of his freakish combination of size, speed and athletic ability.

6. San Francisco 49ers (4-12)
Top five needs: OLB, CB, FS, DE, MLB
The pick: +Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
Outside linebacker is the team's top need and Hawk is still on the board -- no brainer, right? Not necessarily. Hawk is best suited to play weakside LB in a 4-3 and would be a bit of a misfit if asked to play outside in a 3-4. Rather than attempting to fit a square peg into a round hole, the 49ers would be wise to draft the most explosive pass-catching weapon in this year's class. At 6-foot-3, 258 pounds with 4.38 speed in the 40-yard dash, Davis has game-breaker written all over him. By using this pick on Davis, the 49ers could exponentially speed QB Alex Smith's developmental process..

7. Oakland Raiders (4-12)
Top five needs: OG, DT, OLB, SS, RB
The pick: A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State
There's a lot of buzz swirling around NFL circles regarding owner Al Davis' infatuation with QB Vince Young. In this scenario, however, Young will be long gone. Drafting the next best quarterback prospect, Cutler, makes no sense because the team already has a similar type in Andrew Walter on its roster. Instead, the Raiders would be wise to use this pick as a means to upgrading their defense and Hawk would be the perfect guy for the job. Coordinator Rob Ryan prefers using the 4-3 alignment and the addition of Hawk would allow him to head in that direction.

8. Buffalo Bills (5-11)
Top five needs: OT, DT, CB, RB, MLB
The pick: +Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State
Offensive tackle is a primary need area for the Bills. USC OT Winston Justice is skyrocketing up draft boards following his outstanding pro day workout, but it would be a reach to take Justice this high. The Bills were able to upgrade their defensive line with the free-agency addition of DT Larry Tripplett, but they are still in search of a young impact player to groom alongside him. Haloti Ngata would have fit the old scheme, but with the Bills' transitioning to more of a one-gap penetrating philosophy, the fast-rising Bunkley makes more sense. Defensive tackles tend to take longer to develop than most other positions, but the presence of Tripplett and Tim Anderson would allow him to ease into a starting role.

9. Detroit Lions (5-11)
Top five needs: CB, OLB, ILB, OT, RB
The pick: Michael Huff, DB, Texas
New head coach Rod Marinelli comes from a hard-nosed, defensive-minded background and he'll want to set the tone by selecting an impact playmaker on that side of the ball with this pick. Some think Huff can play cornerback in the NFL, while others think he'll be limited to safety. I think he can play some of both, especially with the Lions' moving to more of a Cover 2 look under Marinelli. Regardless, Huff is the best defensive back in this year's class and immediately would give the Lions much-needed versatility in their secondary.

10. Arizona Cardinals (5-11)
Top five needs: FS, TE, QB, OT, CB
The pick: Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech
The Cardinals are mightily impressed with Justice, but they know he's a bit of a reach at No. 10. It also has become a popular theory that the Cardinals will draft a quarterback with this pick. However, Dennis Green does not plan on being around long enough to groom a rookie at that position. The team extended QB Kurt Warner's contract and made a huge splash with the signing of RB Edgerrin James. To balance things out, look for the team to draft the best available defensive player with this pick. Williams' stock has slipped because of his inconsistent play as a senior and his abrasive attitude at the combine, but his stellar showing at Virginia Tech's on-campus scouting day served as a reminder to scouts in attendance that Williams is still an exceptional talent. A combo of Williams and Antrel Rolle would give the Cardinals one of the best young cornerback tandems in the NFL.

11. St. Louis Rams (6-10)
Top five needs: WLB, DT, CB, OG, OT
The pick: Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
The team has other more pressing needs, but drafting a quarterback of the future will be too big a temptation to bypass. New head coach Scott Linehan is an offensive guru and it is rumored that he likes Cutler as a fit for his system. Furthermore, Marc Bulger is brittle, Gus Frerotte is an aging stopgap and the team needs a better contingency plan than QB Ryan Fitzpatrick.

12. Cleveland Browns (6-10)
Top five needs: DE, OLB, WR, CB, NT
The pick: +Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
The Browns have been one of the most active teams in free agency this year, but they still have a number of holes to fill. After spending two of their three Day 1 picks on the offensive side of the ball last year, GM Phil Savage knows he needs to give more attention to Romeo Crennell's defense. The Browns signed a couple of good fits for the 3-4 scheme, but OLB Willie McGinest and NT Ted Washington are aging players who won't be around for long. Therefore, look for the Browns to use this selection on the best available defender who fits their philosophy. FSU's Ernie Sims would be a consideration, but the team couldn't pass up on a massive two-gap nose tackle in Ngata.

RMANCIL
04-06-2006, 01:50 PM
CONT

13. Baltimore Ravens (6-10)
Top five needs: S, QB, ROT, OG, WR
The pick: +Winston Justice, OT, USC
The Ravens would consider Cutler if he slipped to them here, but the team is more likely to draft a quarterback in the second or third round. Baltimore wants to get more athletic up front offensively and Justice could help attain that goal. Justice has the potential to slide over to left tackle when Jonathan Ogden's time with the Ravens ends. Until then, Justice could provide an immediate upgrade at right tackle, which is the position he played when protecting southpaw Leinart's blind side at USC.

14. Philadelphia Eagles (6-10)
Top five needs: OLB, WR, OT, RB, FS
The pick: +Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State
Drafting a bigger back to take some of the load off Brian Westbrook's shoulders is a possibility, but the Eagles will likely address that need later. The team also needs help at wide receiver and offensive tackle, but no value exists to match this pick. Sims is too small to play the strongside LB position, but he has the speed and explosiveness to quickly replace oft-injured free-agent acquisition Shawn Barber on the weak side. In the meantime, Sims' exceptional athletic ability will be put to use in sub-packages defensively (nickel linebacker), as well as covering kicks on special teams.

15. Denver Broncos (13-3)
Pick acquired from the Falcons
Top five needs: WR, TE, RB, OG/OC, DT
The pick: +Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
By dealing up to the 15th pick, the Broncos have put themselves in position to draft a difference-maker on offense. The team wants to address the tight end position early, but not this early. A running back (DeAngelo Williams or Laurence Maroney) is an option here, but the Broncos do not feel they need to use this high a pick on one, especially with this class's depth at that position. With all that in mind, using this pick to select the best wide receiver prospect makes the most sense. Jackson needs some polish, but his size, explosive speed and playmaking ability would be a welcomed addition to a wide receiver corps that currently is in flux. Rod Smith is running out of time and Ashley Lelie has proved to be too unreliable as a full-time starter. Jackson could contribute as a No. 3 immediately while being groomed as the primary target for the future.

16. Miami Dolphins (9-7)
Top five needs: WR, DC, OT, OG, FS
The pick: +Kamerion Wimbley, DE/OLB, Florida State
The Dolphins have addressed almost all of their needs via free agency, which gives them the flexibility that coach Nick Saban is looking for on draft weekend. Ohio State WR Santonio Holmes would be tough to pass, but Wimbley is a fast-rising prospect who fits perfectly as a 3-4 outside linebacker. Wimbley has the speed and athletic ability to make a huge impact rushing the passer opposite DE/OLB Jason Taylor.

17. Minnesota Vikings (9-7)
Top five needs: MLB, OLB, DC, QB, WR
The pick: Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa
If Cutler or Young were to free-fall this far, the Vikings likely would pull the trigger. Trading up for a quarterback is a possibility, but only if one of those two happens to fall to the Browns at pick No. 12 (one ahead of the Ravens). Otherwise, the team is expected to continue to draft defense with the 17th overall pick. With the Vikings moving to a Cover 2 scheme, they will be looking to improve the athleticism of their linebacking corps. Greenway will slip a bit due to his subpar combine workout, but he has the fluidity, athleticism and instincts to immediately take over as a starter in the NFL.

18. Dallas Cowboys (9-7)
Top five needs: FS, OT, CB, NT, OG
The pick: +Donte Whitner, S, Ohio State
The Cowboys would love to trade down to get a better value for an offensive tackle such as Auburn's Marcus McNeill. Drafting Holmes is also a possibility if he's available here, but coach Bill Parcells doesn't like to draft wide receivers in the first round and the team already has a load of money locked up in that position with the recent acquisition of Terrell Owens. So, if the Cowboys are stuck with this pick, Whitner makes the most sense. The team needs an intelligent, speedy free safety to complement SS Roy Williams and Whitner is the ideal match. He emerged as a true playmaker during his junior season at Ohio State and his 40-yard dash time of 4.38 seconds helped catapult him into first-round consideration.

19. San Diego Chargers (9-7)
Top five needs: WR, OT, S, OG, CB
The pick: +Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
The Chargers would be elated if Holmes (or Jackson) fell to them at pick No. 19. Keenan McCardell has been very reliable as the team's primary target and TE Antonio Gates helps to take a lot of pressure off its receiving corps. Missing, however, is a legitimate No. 2 starter. Holmes could contribute as a secondary target early in his career before eventually replacing the aging McCardell as new starting QB Philip Rivers' go-to-receiver. However, if Holmes and Jackson are gone, expect the Chargers to select the best available defensive back -- either cornerback or safety -- on their draft board.

20. Kansas City Chiefs (10-6)
Top five needs: WR, CB, OG, DE, QB
The pick: Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
Much like the Chargers, the Chiefs want a wide receiver with this pick, but the supply does not match the demand. Instead, expect the Chiefs to take advantage of a deep crop of young cornerbacks by taking the best available at pick No. 20. Hill is one of the fastest corners in his class and can change directions quickly. While he's undersized, he has excellent leaping ability and is a fundamentally sound tackler. Considering all the questions Kansas City has at corner, Hill could push for immediate playing time opposite Patrick Surtain.

RMANCIL
04-06-2006, 01:50 PM
21. New England Patriots (10-6)
Top five needs: ILB/OLB, WR, CB, RB, OT
The pick: +Jonathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
The Patriots have several needs on defense and look for them to fill the one at corner first. Joseph is raw and will get caught out of position at times, which comes as little surprise considering he played just one season of Division I football. However, New England's coaching staff has done a good job of developing secondary players quickly (see Eugene Wilson and Asante Samuel) and there's no questioning Joseph's upside. He is a playmaker who possesses a rare blend of size, speed and toughness.

22. Denver Broncos (10-6)
Pick acquired from Redskins
Top five needs: WR, TE, RB, OG/OC, DT
The pick: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
Tatum Bell replaces Mike Anderson, who is now a Raven, as the primary back but he has had some problems staying healthy despite splitting carries with Anderson. The Broncos need a No. 2 back who can spell Bell and step in should he miss time with an injury, which is why Williams makes sense here. Williams has excellent initial quickness and shows a second gear in the open field. His vision and patience also make him a great fit for Denver's zone blocking schemes.

23. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (11-5)
Top five needs: OT, OC, WR, DE, WLB
The pick: Marcus McNeill, OT, Auburn
This might be a bit of a reach for McNeill. However, the Buccaneers are in trouble at offensive tackle and the lack of offensive line depth in this year's class could force the team's hand. McNeill does not possess elite physical tools, but he is a massive right tackle prospect who always seems to execute his blocking assignment.

24. Cincinnati Bengals (11-5)
Top five needs: TE, DE, CB, MLB, RB/RS
The pick: +Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
The Bengals have several needs on defense, but they also need a playmaker at tight end and Pope will be tough to take a pass on. Pope has the quickness to get a clean release at the line of scrimmage and excellent speed for his size. Although he is raw and not fundamentally sound, his drive blocking has and should continue to improve.

25. New York Giants (11-5)
Top five needs: OLB, WR, DT, OT, RB
The pick: Demeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama
Even if the Giants land free-agent OLB LaVar Arrington, they still will be in the market for one in the first few rounds. Ryans lacks ideal range and doesn't have great size, but he makes the most of his natural ability. He is an explosive open field tackler who reads his keys quickly and takes the shortest path to the ball. Although he isn't fast enough to consistently match up in man coverage, he reads quarterbacks' eyes and doesn't drop many passes he should intercept.

26. Chicago Bears (11-5)
Top five needs: CB, TE, SLB, OT, DT
The pick: +Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
Charles Tillman is coming off a shoulder injury, unrestricted free agent Jerry Azumah isn't expected back and free-agent signee Dante Wesley isn't an every-down corner. Keeping that in mind, the Bears need a corner who can push for playing time opposite Nathan Vasher. Youboty is inconsistent and will give up some big plays when left on an island. However, he has good top-end speed, has the frame to get bigger and has good short-area man-to-man cover skills.

27. Carolina Panthers (11-5)
Top five needs: SLB, TE, RB, OT, MLB
The pick: +LenDale White, RB, USC
Although the Panthers have greater needs, White would give them great insurance should the oft-injured DeShaun Foster miss substantial time and will be the best available player if he slips to this pick. A poor showing at the combine has caused White's stock to drop. However, he was extremely productive at the college level and is a powerful runner who shows good speed in the open field.

28. Jacksonville Jaguars (12-4)
Top five needs: OLB, TE, DE, OG, CB
The pick: Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State
The Jaguars have shown they will draft the best available player and outside linebacker is a need, so look for them to select Carpenter. Carpenter doesn't have ideal lower-body strength and can struggle when teams run right at him, but he has very good speed for his size and is relentless in pursuit. He also has great instincts, so he is capable of making an immediate impact.

29. New York Jets (4-12)
Pick acquired from Broncos
Top five needs: RB, OT, QB, OG, CB
The pick: +Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
The Jets want to substantially reduce 32-year-old Curtis Martin's workload, but there isn't an heir apparent on the roster. Selecting Maroney here would change that. Though Maroney doesn't have great size or strength, he has the burst to get around the corner quickly and shows a second gear in the open field. He also read his blocks well and has the lateral mobility to exploit cutback lanes.

SEE ESPN FOR THE REST (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2399063)

phillychargerfan
04-06-2006, 03:02 PM
Saints trade LT Gandy to Falcons for safety Scott (http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2399461)



ATLANTA -- Filling one of their biggest remaining offseason needs, the Atlanta Falcons on Thursday afternoon reached an agreement to acquire New Orleans left offensive tackle Wayne Gandy in a trade that sends three-year veteran safety Bryan Scott and an undisclosed draft choice to the Saints.

The trade, unusual in that it involves division rivals, is expected to be completed on Friday when the pertinent paperwork is forwarded to the league offices.

In Gandy, the Falcons are acquiring a 35-year-old veteran who played at a very high level in 2005, and who should be able to provide Atlanta a couple more good seasons. Landing him allows the Falcons to take time to develop Frank Omiyale. A fifth-round selection from Tennessee Tech in 2005, Omiyale did not play a single snap as a rookie, but Falcons coaches love his potential and view him as their starter of the future.


This just about locks the Saints to take Ferguson at LOT with their selection in round one unless they could move back with a trade to the Jets who claim to be out of the QB hunt.


Why would Atl. (who has a MAJOR need for secondary help) trade one of their Safetys???

SillyBoltsFan
04-06-2006, 06:23 PM
19. San Diego Chargers (9-7)
Top five needs: WR, OT, S, OG, CB
The pick: +Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
The Chargers would be elated if Holmes (or Jackson) fell to them at pick No. 19. Keenan McCardell has been very reliable as the team's primary target and TE Antonio Gates helps to take a lot of pressure off its receiving corps. Missing, however, is a legitimate No. 2 starter. Holmes could contribute as a secondary target early in his career before eventually replacing the aging McCardell as new starting QB Philip Rivers' go-to-receiver. However, if Holmes and Jackson are gone, expect the Chargers to select the best available defensive back -- either cornerback or safety -- on their draft board.
Yet another analysis that ignores VJ's potential and Parker's consistency.

My list of needs would go LOT,ILB,CB/S,OG/ROT.

Oben may or may not make it back and there doesn't appear to be another OLT answer presently on the team.

This may be Godfrey's last year and the other starter from last year shouldn't be one this year. The middle underneath was the weakest link on D last year IMO as a result of a certain Dodge-n-Grab ILB.

D'Flo was inconsistent last year and if a starting CB could be found he might just turn into the FS the Chargers need... or... if a better FS plays behind him and the ILB position is upgraded so the safeties didn't have to play behind and be so concerned about the middle so much, D'Flo could suffice and allow the Chargers to stay pat at CB.

OG could be addressed with Olivea stepping inside if a mauler ORT could be added. With the present 3 inside starters, there is very little push up the middle on runs and not enough pulling beef to be effective with screens and sweeps.

Think we have nice starters and depth at all the other positions right now with the possible exception of depth at C, TE, NG... definitely good at RB, FB, WR, OLB, DE.

georgehimself
04-07-2006, 03:09 AM
Wow, Vince Young is pretty low there.

RMANCIL
04-08-2006, 04:05 AM
Top 100 risers/fallers in NFL draft (http://http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5483180)

Risers
Southern California offensive tackle Winston Justice helped his stock during the USC Pro Day April 2 with two tremendous efforts — 38 reps with 225 pounds and a 39-inch vertical jump after weighing in at 320 pounds.

North Carolina State defensive end Manny Lawson is expected to be drafted by a team looking to transition him to outside linebacker, probably in a 3-4 alignment. The question about the 6-foot-6, 241-pounder was not speed, as Lawson blazed a 4.43-secon 40-yard dash at the Combine, but agility and explosiveness. Lawson, however, ran a 6.90 in the three cone drill, the test designed to show change of direction. His time was faster than all linebackers not named A.J. Hawk who are expected to be drafted on the first day.

Miami cornerback Kelly Jennings lacks the size (5-11, 178) teams are looking for, but in a draft featuring numerous pass defenders with potential and few sure things, Jennings stands out. A veteran of 48 games with the Hurricanes, Jennings' man to man skills and experience were obvious at the Senior Bowl.

Fresno State cornerback Richard Marshall is also rising up the charts. Marshall forced teams to take a harder look after the Combine when he ran the 40 in 4.42 seconds and the three-cone drill in 6.66 seconds, the second fastest time of any cornerback tested in Indianapolis. Teams are also impressed with Marshall's willingness to support the run. He led the Bulldogs with 78 tackles this season.

Memphis running back DeAngelo Williams secured his position among the top running backs with a strong Pro Day performance after skipping the 40 at the Combine. The former Memphis star ran the 40 in the 4.4-second range and caught the ball well in drills.


Fallers
Florida State outside linebacker Ernie Sims impresses teams with his explosiveness and aggression, but a history of repeated concussions may keep the underclassman from going as early as he would otherwise.

Southern California running back LenDale White, who opted not to work out at Indy Combine, was a disappointment at his own Pro Day on April 2. He weighed in at 244 pounds, six more than at Indy, then had only 15 reps in the bench (compared to 24 for Reggie Bush) and didn't run the 40 because of a sore hamstring. He hopes to have another Pro Day within the next two weeks.

Ohio State cornerback Ashton Youboty is one of several highly ranked defensive backs whose athleticism is more impressive than his game performance. Youboty, as expected, worked out well at the Ohio State, running the 40 in 4.44 seconds after measuring in at 6-0, 189 pounds. But on film Youboty shows a tendency to gamble and lose too much (four receptions per game).

Tennessee defensive back Jason Allen's medical reports are drawing red flags. Allen was rated as a possible top 15 pick previous to a hip dislocation this fall that forced him to miss most of the 2005 season. The former Vol was zooming back up the board after running the 40 in 4.39 seconds and posting a 39 1/2-inch vertical. In a reversal of thought, now there are concerns that Allen's hip could be a degenerative condition.

Auburn offensive tackle Marcus McNeill reminds scouts that he hasn't given up a sack since his freshman season, but a closer look at his film along with a mediocre performance at the Senior Bowl shows an inconsistent player. He has been unable to physically engulf defenders at the level despite measuring 6-8, 336.


Fallers
Southern California's Pro Day on April 2 was a dramatic production. Key results (also see risers, fallers): Running back Reggie Bush (4.33 in 40, 24 reps, 40 1/2-inch vertical); quarterback Matt Leinart soared 37 inches in the vertical, which was unexpected since he isn't known for his athleticism; safety Darnell Bing (38-inch vertical, 21 reps, 4.53 in 40); Times were electronic, which tend to be slower than manual.

Duke defensive end/outside linebacker Phillip Alexander, a favorite sleeper of some scouts, helped his cause with a strong Pro Day performance. Not invited to the Combine, Alexander measured in at 6-3 1/2 and 274 pounds. He ran a 4.70 and 4.74 and had a 37-inch vertical jump and lifted the bar 25 times at 225 pounds.

Michigan wide receiver Jason Avant, who had elected not to run at the Combine and then ran a pair of 4.8s at his first Pro Day, worked out again at Michigan and greatly improved his time. Avant, who was wearing a cast due to a fractured right hand during the initial Pro Day effort, has healed and ran a 4.62 and 4.64 for 12 representatives of teams, most notably Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis

RMANCIL
04-08-2006, 04:07 AM
CONT...HIT THE LINK FOR THE FULL STORY

NFLDraftScout.com's top 100 risers/fallers
Rise/Fall Overall Player Pos School Ht. Wt. 40 Proj Rd
1 *Reggie Bush RB Southern Cal 5-11 201 4.42 1
2 *Mario Williams DE North Carolina State 6-7 295 4.70 1
3 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia 6-6 312 5.26 1
4 Matt Leinart QB Southern Cal 6-5 223 4.90 1
5 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt 6-3 226 4.77 1
6 *Vernon Davis TE Maryland 6-3 254 4.38 1
7 A.J. Hawk OLB Ohio State 6-1 248 4.59 1
8 *Haloti Ngata DT Oregon 6-4 338 5.13 1
riser 9 Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State 6-3 306 5.01 1
10 *Vince Young QB Texas 6-5 229 4.48 1
11 Michael Huff SS Texas 6-0 204 4.34 1
riser 12 *Winston Justice OT Southern Cal 6-6 319 5.16 1
faller 13 Jason Allen FS Tennessee 6-1 209 4.39 1
14 Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech 6-3 213 4.42 1
15 Kamerion Wimbley DE Florida State 6-4 248 4.61 1
16 Tye Hill CB Clemson 5-10 185 4.34 1
17 *Ernie Sims OLB Florida State 5-11 231 4.50 1
18 *Chad Jackson WR Florida 6-1 213 4.32 1
faller 19 *LenDale White RB Southern Cal 6-1 238 4.49 1
20 *Johnathan Joseph CB South Carolina 5-11 193 4.31 1
faller 21 *Ashton Youboty CB Ohio State 6-0 189 4.39 1
22 Bobby Carpenter OLB Ohio State 6-3 256 4.60 1
23 DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis 5-09 214 4.49 1
riser 24 Manny Lawson OLB North Carolina State 6-6 241 4.43 1
25 *Donte Whitner SS Ohio State 5-10 204 4.40 1
26 *Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota 6-0 217 4.55 1
27 Chad Greenway OLB Iowa 6-3 242 4.76 1
28 Marcus McNeill 6-8 Auburn 6-8 5.07 1-2 1
29 Nick Mangold C Ohio State 6-4 300 5.05 1
riser 30 Kelly Jennings CB Miami 5-11 178 4.39 1
31 *Antonio Cromartie CB Florida State 6-2 208 4.47 1
32 Eric Winston OT Miami 6-7 310 4.94 1-2
33 *Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State 5-11 188 4.45 1-2
riser 34 *Richard Marshall CB Fresno State 5-11 189 4.42 1-2
faller 35 Tamba Hali DE Penn State 6-3 275 4.75 1-2
36 Sinorice Moss WR Miami 5-08 185 4.38 1-2
37 DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama 6-1 236 4.65 1-2
38 Abdul Hodge ILB Iowa 6-1 236 4.76 1-2
39 Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia 6-4 355 5.48 1-2
40 *Darnell Bing SS Southern Cal 6-2 227 4.52 1-2
41 D'Qwell Jackson ILB Maryland 6-1 230 4.73 1-2
42 Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston College 6-6 266 4.70 1-2
43 Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA 6-7 261 4.80 2
44 Gabe Watson DT Michigan 6-4 339 5.27 2
45 Joseph Addai RB LSU 5-11 214 4.40 2
46 Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma 6-3 311 5.09 2
47 Daniel Bullocks SS Nebraska 6-1 212 4.38 2
48 *Maurice Drew RB UCLA 5-07 207 4.39 2
49 Daryn Colledge OT Boise State 6-5 299 5.05 2
50 Demetrius Williams WR Oregon 6-2 197 4.52 2
51 Thomas Howard OLB Texas-El Paso 6-3 239 4.42 2
52 *Ray Edwards DE Purdue 6-5 273 4.81 2
53 Mark Anderson DE Alabama 6-4 254 4.62 2
54 Babatunde Oshinowo DT Stanford 6-2 304 5.27 2
55 Taitusi Lutui OG Southern Cal 6-4 334 5.45 2
56 Claude Wroten DT LSU 6-2 302 5.08 2
riser 57 Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma 6-2 214 4.47 2
58 Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech 6-2 252 4.83 2
faller 59 Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State 6-1 194 4.51 2
60 *Ko Simpson FS South Carolina 6-1 209 4.45 2
61 *John McCargo DT North Carolina State 6-2 302 5.15 2
62 *Stanley McClover DE Auburn 6-3 262 4.70 2
63 Joe Klopfenstein TE Colorado 6-6 255 4.63 2
64 Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh 6-5 352 5.25 2-3
65 Gerris Wilkinson ILB Georgia Tech 6-3 233 4.66 2-3
66 Jeremy Trueblood OT Boston College 6-8 316 5.25 2-3
67 Dominique Byrd TE Southern Cal 6-3 255 4.82 2-3
68 Orien Harris DT Miami 6-3 301 5.12 2-3
69 Jerious Norwood RB Mississippi State 5-11 210 4.40 2-3
riser 70 Leonard Pope TE Georgia 6-8 258 4.62 2-3
71 Todd Watkins WR BYU 6-3 202 4.40 2-3
72 Tim Jennings CB Georgia 5-08 185 4.32 2-3
73 Victor Adeyanju DE Indiana 6-4 274 4.86 2-3
74 Maurice Stovall WR North Carolina State 6-5 217 4.57 2-3
faller 75 Brian Calhoun RB Wisconsin 5-09 201 4.57 2-3
76 Devin Aromashodu WR Auburn 6-3 201 4.35 2-3
77 Rodrique Wright DT Texas 6-5 300 5.08 2-3
78 DeMario Minter 5-11 Georgia 190 4.52 2-3 2-3
79 Devin Hester WR Miami 5-11 190 4.41 2-3
80 Anwar Phillips CB Penn State 6-0 193 4.46 2-3
81 Kyle Williams DT LSU 6-1 299 5.12 2-3
82 Pat Watkins FS Florida State 6-5 211 4.42 2-3
83 Barry Cofield DT Northwestern 6-4 304 4.95 2-3
84 Dee Webb CB Florida 5-11 183 4.41 2-3
85 Bernard Pollard SS Purdue 6-2 224 4.57 2-3
86 Jonathan Scott OT Texas 6-7 315 5.32 2-3
87 Jonathan Orr WR Wisconsin 6-2 198 4.44 3
88 Ryan O'Callahan OT California 6-7 344 5.39 3
riser 89 Roger McIntosh OLB Miami 6-2 237 4.63 3
90 Tim Dobbins ILB Iowa State 6-1 246 4.59 3
91 Cedric Griffin FS Texas 6-0 199 4.51 3
92 Michael Robinson WR Penn State 6-2 227 4.56 3
93 Jason Avant WR Michigan 6-1 212 4.52 3
94 Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma 6-3 306 5.01 3
95 Derrick Martin CB Wyoming 5-10 202 4.50 3
96 Andre Hall RB South Florida 5-09 208 4.40 3
riser 97 Guy Whimper OT East Carolina 6-5 304 4.96 3

RMANCIL
04-08-2006, 04:21 AM
More questions than ever at top of NFL draft
Teams will bypass sure things for flashy, risky picks (http://http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12193825/)

NFL coaches, scouts, personnel directors and general managers are growing paler by the day this month and not simply because as spring dawns they go into hibernation.

The reason so many of them have begun to look a little peaked has very little to do with the fact that for the next three weeks they will be locked in darkened meeting rooms trying to evaluate the fitness of 300 or more college football players to earn a living in the NFL. That in itself is a daunting task, but the real reason they're looking a bit drawn is that most of them know that come April 28, they will have to make selections they're not sure about of young players they can't know enough about. Many of these players will become albatrosses around their selectors' necks.

Other than that, the NFL draft is a pretty enjoyable time.

Every year it's like this. More than 300 new faces enter the NFL, many of them with big reputations and, more importantly to the teams, big signing bonuses. Far too few of them pan out when you consider how much money and man hours are invested in this whole process of evaluation.

That's the nature of the beast and this year, even at the top of the draft, there are more questions than answers.

The Houston Texans, it has been said, have no choice but to draft Heisman Trophy winning running back Reggie Bush with the first pick even though they have far more pressing needs than adding a runner to an offense that already has a pretty good one. Bush is explosive, versatile, focused, productive at the highest level and small. In the end, that last point might not mean a thing, but if it does, Texans general manager Charley Casserly never will hear the end of it, especially if Texas hero and Houston native Vince Young goes to someone else and becomes a star, as at least some teams find likely.

Yet their opinion doesn't make Young a lock, either. With a Wonderlic score that could have been exceeded if he'd simply thrown darts at the test and a throwing motion that makes some quarterback coaches blanch, Young knows the Texans aren't likely to pick him.

More than likely he won't be the second player taken, either ,and if he gets by the third team, Tennessee, he could slide down the board to No. 10.

Some experts postulate he wouldn't get by the Oakland Raiders at No. 7, but the Raiders want to throw the ball deep, and that's what Young does worst. So why would they take him? Because stranger things have happened in the draft ... and surely will again. But the odds are against it.

Speaking of odd, take the odd case of the New Orleans Saints. The Saints pick second and have a myriad of holes to fill. They could use middle linebacker, a tackle or a defensive lineman, and there are surefire prospects available at each position. They can take a guy considered the lock of the draft, Virginia tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and let him fill a primary need, or they could select defensive end Mario Williams or linebacker A.J. Hawk, who are considered the consensus best defensive players in this draft at two positions where they could use reinforcements.

So why are they going to take a quarterback instead after investing millions to sign free agent Drew Brees? Because Brees isn't a sure thing, even after two highly productive seasons with the San Diego Chargers, because he's recovering from a terrible shoulder injury sustained in San Diego's final game last season. Even though they paid Brees a huge price to not sign with Miami, the Saints fear they can't pass up a potential franchise quarterback such as USC's Matt Leinart, even though one would think they already signed one.

But that is not the end of the Saints' problems with the No. 2 pick.

The rest of the story, as radio host Paul Harvey used to say in a stentorian voice, is which quarterback do they take? Is it Leinart, the consensus choice, or Young, the phenomenal athlete but questionable passer or, after all is said and done, will Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler prove to be the best? Or could it be none of the above?

That is part of the dilemma for the teams drafting at the top this year. Considering that the winningest quarterback in the league in recent years was a guy who was drafted by the New England Patriots after 198 other players were taken, including the tight end from Boise State New England took one round before it took a flyer on a kid named Tom Brady. Such are the vagaries of the NFL draft, a procedure that is alchemy, not chemistry.

Depending on what the Saints do, next up it's Titans general manager Floyd Reese who has to sweat. With long-time starting quarterback Steve McNair banned from the club's complex because he won't re-negotiate his contract to cut down on a $23 million salary cap number (that's not a cap, that's a tiara), it seems pretty clear a new quarterback is on the horizon in Tennessee. If the Saints remove one of the names from the list, do the Titans ignore their own hometown hero, Cutler, and go with Young even though he's much less of a polished passer in the hope he will develop in a couple of years into a more mobile version of McNair?

Or do they actually forget all that noise and draft for their greatest needs, which are all on defense and where at this point in the draft surer picks such as Williams and Hawk will still be on the board?

These are the kind of decisions that cause men such as Reese to go prematurely gray. But what are the Titans going to do?

They've spoken so highly in public of Young, it seems reasonable to assume they won't take him. Whatever they do, at least one and maybe two of those quarterbacks will be around when the lowly New York Piper Cubs (they've got a long way to go before they're the Jets again) are on the clock.

Rookie GM Mike Tannenbaum and rookie coach Eric Mangini never have picked a single player for an NFL team, which is not the most encouraging thought for Jets fans. Neither is the fact that they may feel forced to take what could be considered the third-best quarterback on the board rather than the best defensive player or the best offensive lineman because their incumbent, Chad Pennington, has a shoulder that keeps falling apart.

A former No. 1 pick himself, Pennington has played well when his shoulder has not resembled a jigsaw puzzle. However, at the moment that's what it is — a puzzle that has been surgically repaired each of the past two offseasons — so the Jets could be forced to take a quarterback when their most pressing needs are on defense and at tackle, the position most responsible for the condition of Pennington's shoulder in the first place.

Do they go for Williams to replace departed Pro Bowl defensive end John Abraham, which would be the more logical choice? Or do they gamble on a quarterback in the belief that they can't afford to pass on one of the Big Three, even though most scouts seem convinced at least one of them is going to be an empty promise five years from now?

Or why not play it very safe and take Ferguson, who can keep whoever their quarterback is from experiencing two years worth of shoulder surgery?

Whatever those top four teams do will determine what the Packers, who need everything, the 49ers, who are in the same boat, and the Raiders, Bills and Lions do. Green Bay and San Francisco would seem most likely to go defense, which is still the safest route this year, and the same may be true of Oakland. The Bills just traded Eric Moulds, so they need an explosive wide receiver, and the best ones in this draft still will be available when they select No. 8. Then again, there will be higher rated defensive players on the board as well. What's a personnel director to do?

Turn paler and pick, that's what.

As for Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh, NFC champion Seattle and final four teams Indianapolis and Carolina, the task might be more daunting.

By the time they make their selections, the top-rated collegians will all be gone. These teams will either reach for need, which is almost always a disastrous decision, or learn from the league's many drafting mistakes of the past and take the best player available, although not to the extent the Patriots have gone in stockpiling tight ends the last couple of years.

There's been millions upon millions of dollars spent on scouting and endless hours of research and discussion about the players available, yet it's still a crapshoot. It's the kind of exercise that will make otherwise fit men turn pale and gray. Very gray, in some cases, but maybe not as gray as the team that decides it has no choice but to grab Bush's backup at USC, power running LenDale White.

White seems hell-bent on eating himself out of pro football before he even gets there. He's the only one of the top eight rated backs to weigh over 215 pounds, and he was closer to 245 than 215 when he appeared at USC's Pro Day workouts. By the time they left campus, many NFL scouts felt White had become a risk, because it's hard to believe his apparent penchant for late-night snacks and Big Macs will be quenched once he signs a deal for millions of dollars?

Someone will take him in the first round, however, because he's got in abundance the thing that's gotten more GMs, coaches and personnel men fired than any other thing in football. White has potential, which is another way of saying he hasn't done enough yet. Of course, now that it's pale season in the NFL, few prospects have.

Hit the link for the full story.

RMANCIL
04-08-2006, 04:28 AM
Young thinks he could still end up in Houston (http://http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5483276)

HOUSTON (AP) - Vince Young isn't daunted by recent speculation that the Houston Texans will use the No. 1 pick in the draft on Reggie Bush.

The former Texas quarterback said Friday he still thinks his hometown team is open to drafting him.

"That's why I believe that I came here today," Young said. "You never know what is going on. A lot of people say Reggie is going to be here, but you never know."

Young worked out for Texans officials, toured the facilities and met with coaches and some players Friday. Bush met with the Texans on Thursday.

New coach Gary Kubiak and owner Bob McNair were among more than 100 NFL scouts, coaches and executives who also watched Young work out in Austin last month.

Young said Friday's workout consisted mostly of him throwing to a bevy of different receivers.

"Coach Kub (Kubiak) had some rapid fire, trying to keep me moving around, trying to see whether I'd get tired and things like that," he said. "I'm glad I've been continuing working out and staying in shape and throwing the ball."

Young also has visits to Miami, Minnesota, Cleveland and another visit to Tennessee, the owner of the third pick, in upcoming days.

Agent Major Adams said his client hasn't been worn down by all of his visits and recent travel.

"He knows the nature of the business, and he believes that teams want to know who he is," Adams said.

Young's draft stock skyrocketed after his performance in the Rose Bowl, where he accounted for 467 yards in a 41-38 win over USC and Bush for the national championship. Young announced four days later he was skipping his senior season to turn pro, and many Texans fans began clamoring for Houston to choose Young.

The Texans extended quarterback David Carr's contract for three years in February, making the possibility of Houston drafting Young look less likely.

Young would love to play for the Texans, but said that if they don't choose him it will simply motivate him to succeed wherever he goes.

"I will always love my hometown, and I will always have respect for my team," Young said. "But if it doesn't work out I'll still love my hometown, but when I come home, I'm going to play.

"Just like I said when we were getting ready for the Rose Bowl. I lost the Heisman (Trophy) and I told those guys that we were going to come out there and play and give it all we've got."

Young brushed off the notion that playing in Houston would be too much pressure for him.

"Yes, Texas is home, and I handled that," he said. "I was kind of in the spotlight in high school as well. Yes, I'll be able to handle it. We're going to have fun, but when it's time for Vince Young to handle his business ... I take it very serious."

Although many coaches and scouts have given him glowing reports, Young has had to contend with reports of a poor score on the Wonderlic test and questions about his quirky throwing motion.

"That is motivation for me," he said. "When it's my time to come out and show Vince then you will get the truth. But if you keep going off what somebody else says, I don't believe in that."

I think the Texans are getting a good look at Young and will try and leverage Bush into a contract before the draft using Young as the crow bar.

RMANCIL
04-08-2006, 04:38 AM
Rick Gosselin's NFL draft rankings (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/gosselin_rankings.html)


QUARTERBACK


Matt Leinart Player School
1. Matt Leinart Southern California
2. Jay Cutler Vanderbilt
3. Vince Young Texas
4. Brodie Croyle Alabama
5. Kellen Clemens Oregon
6. Charlie Whitehurst Clemson
7. Darrell Hackney Alabama-Birmingham
8. Bruce Gradkowski Toledo
9. Travaris Jackson Alabama State


RUNNING BACK


Reggie Bush Player School
1. Reggie Bush Southern California
2. D'Angelo Williams Memphis
3. Laurence Maroney Minnesota
4. LenDale White Southern California
5. Joseph Addai LSU
6. Maurice Drew UCLA
7. Jerious Norwood Mississippi State
8. Jerome Harrison Washington State
9. Brian Calhoun Wisconsin


WIDE RECEIVER

Santonio Holmes Player School
1. Santontio Holmes Ohio State
2. Chad Jackson Florida
3. Sinorice Moss Miami
4. Greg Jennings Western Michigan
5. Derek Hagan Arizona State
6. Demetrius Williams Oregon
7. Maurice Stovall Notre Dame
8. Travis Wilson Oklahoma
9. Jason Avant Michigan


TIGHT END

Vernon Davis Player School
1. Vernon Davis Maryland
2. Marcedes Lewis UCLA
3. Anthony Fasano Notre Dame
4. Leonard Pope Georgia
5. Joe Klopfenstein Colorado
6. Tony Scheffler Western Michigan
7. T.J. Williams North Carolina State
8. David Thomas Texas
9. Dominique Byrd Southern California

OFFENSIVE TACKLE


D'Brickashaw Ferguson Player School
1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia
2. Winston Justice Southern California
3. Marcus McNeill Auburn
4. Eric Winston Miami
5. Rashad Butler Miami
6. Andrew Whitworth LSU
7. Ryan O'Callaghan California
8. Daryn Colledge Boise State
9. Jonathan Scott Texas

GUARD


Davin Joseph Player School
1. Davin Joseph Oklahoma
2. Max Jean-Gilles Georgia
3. Charles Spencer Pittsburgh
4. Taitusi Lutui Southern California
5. Fred Matua Southern California
6. Rob Sims Ohio State
7. Will Montgomery Virginia Tech
8. Mark Setterstrom Minnesota
9. Jason Spitz Louisville

CENTER


Nick Mangold Player School
1. Nick Mangold Ohio State
2. Chris Chester Oklahoma
3. Marvin Philip California
4. Ryan Cook New Mexico
5. Greg Eslinger Minnesota

DEFENSIVE END


Mario Williams Player School
1. Mario Williams North Carolina State
2. Tamba Hali Penn State
3. Manny Lawson North Carolina State
4. Kamerion Wimbley Florida State
5. Mathias Kiwanuka Boston College
6. Darryl Tapp Virginia Tech
7. Frostee Rucker Southern California
8. Chris Gocong Cal Poly
9. Victor Adeyanju Indiana
10. Mark Anderson Alabama
DEFENSIVE TACKLE


Brodrick Bunkley Player School
1. Brodrick Bunkley Florida State
2. Haloti Ngata Oregon
3. John McCargo North Carolina State
4. Claude Wroten LSU
5. Gabe Watson Michigan
6. Kyle Williams LSU
7. Babatunde Oshinowo Stanford
8. Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma
9. Jonathan Lewis Virginia Tech
10. Rodrique Wright Texas
OUTSIDE LINEBACKER


A.J. Hawk Player School
1. A.J. Hawk Ohio State
2. Ernie Sims Florida State
3. Chad Greenway Iowa
4. Demeco Ryans Alabama
5. Bobby Carpenter Ohio State
6. Thomas Howard UTEP
7. Roger McIntosh Miami
8. Clint Ingram Oklahoma
9. Jon Alston Stanford
10. James Anderson Virginia Tech
INSIDE LINEBACKER


D'Qwell Jackson Player School
1. D'Qwell Jackson Maryland
2. Abdul Hodge Iowa
3. Gerris Wilkinson Georgia Tech
4. Leon Williams Miami
5. Anthony Schlegel Ohio State
CORNERBACK


Michael Huff Player School
1. Michael Huff Texas
2. Jimmy Williams Virginia Tech
3. Jonathan Joseph South Carolina
4. Kelly Jennings Miami
5. Jason Allen Tennessee
6. Antonio Cromartie Florida State
7. Tye Hill Clemson
8. Richard Marshall Fresno State
9. Ashton Youboty Ohio State
10. Cedric Griffin Texas
SAFETY


Donte Whitner Player School
1. Donte Whitner Ohio State
2. Daniel Bullocks Nebraska
3. Ko Simpson South Carolina
4. Anthony Smith Syracuse
5. Bernard Pollard Purdue
6. Pat Watkins Florida State
7. Eric Smith Michigan State
8. Calvin Lowry Penn State
9. Darnell Bing Southern California
10. Roman Harper Alabama
SPECIAL TEAMS


Willie Reid Player School
1. Willie Reid (KR) Florida State
2. Skyler Green (KR) LSU
3. Nick Huston (K) Ohio State
4. Ryan Plackemeyer (P) Wake Forest
5. John Stelly (P) Louisiana-Monroe
6. Stephen Gostkowski (K) Memphis
7. Jeremy Bloom (KR) Colorado
8. Boone Stutz (DS) Texas A&M
9. Steve Weatherford (P) Illinois
10. Courtland Finnegan (KR) Samford

For the complete list click on the headline.

RMANCIL
04-08-2006, 04:56 AM
Rashad Butler Miami is a player who has slowly mowed up on a lot of boards.

Good interview (http://http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1155)

http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/butler_rashad00.html

http://2006.ontheclockdraft.com/profile.php?id=20060223503594842335

http://www.northwestscouting.com/about.html which has a good look at all the OT.

RMANCIL
04-10-2006, 10:25 AM
Prime position
Saints have many options with the No. 2 pick in draft (http://http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/04/09/mmqb.0410/?cnn=yes)
Posted: Monday April 10, 2006 8:55AM; Updated: Monday April 10, 2006 11:17AM

T-minus 19 days till draft day, and counting. Here's what we know right now:

1. Barring a major upset -- like Reggie Bush's announcing between now and April 29, "I detest rodeo'' -- the Texans will make the USC running back the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft.

2. The Titans will take a quarterback with the third pick in the draft and may trade up to No. 2 to prevent the Jets from getting Matt Leinart.

3. The Jets will probably try to take a quarterback with the fourth pick in the draft and may trade up to the second pick to prevent the Titans from selecting Leinart.

4. The Saints, picking second, are in the catbird's seat of all catbird's seats. They don't want Bush, they don't want a quarterback and they might be able to finagle some football currency, like a second-round pick -- from the Jets, Titans or some other team high in the draft -- to move down and still get the same guy they would have picked at No. 2.

If the catbird's seat fits, nest in it.

"I don't know about that,'' New Orleans GM Mickey Loomis told me the other day. "I don't know if I'd agree that it's such a great thing to be in our position, considering we had to go 3-13, fire a coaching staff and lose a great player like Darren Howard in free agency in the process of getting there.''

But, and Loomis knows this, what's great about the Saints' position right now is they have three guys they really like -- Virginia tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams and Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk, a slight surprise to be considered that high -- and they can afford to move down one or two spots and still get one of those elite players. By moving down, New Orleans would do two things: they'd pick up another first-day draft choice (maybe the 35th overall pick, now owned by the Jets, or Tennessee's second-round pick, the 39th overall), and by picking their player lower than No. 2 overall the Saints would save some money in the deal. Even if the Jets quarreled with New Orleans and were willing to give only a high third-round pick, it's to the Saints' advantage to make the deal. They'd still pay their player less and they'd get a potential starter for moving down.

All three players would make New Orleans better immediately. Ferguson could slide into the left tackle spot and give New Orleans an excellent bookend situation with second-year tackle Jammal Brown on the right side. Defensive end isn't a major need position, but the Saints' pass rush was putrid last year, and Williams, even though he flashes on and off at times, still has enough of Julius Peppers in him to fascinate most scouts. In Hawk, the Saints see a modern-day Chris Spielman. Imagine having on your résumé, "Led Ohio State in tackles for three straight years.'' That's a pretty big wow.

The Saints haven't gotten any deal-making phone calls yet, but I think it's a matter of time before the Jets or Titans call. Whether a deal gets done depends on how much those two teams fall in love with Leinart or Vince Young in the next couple of weeks. Leinart is the more logical choice, because he's more pro-ready. That's going to be the best story over the next 19 days -- what the Saints do with the pick and who's the aggressor trying to get it.

I think, apropos of nothing, that the Browns, picking 12th, and Eagles, picking 14th, would do handsprings if somehow, some way, USC tackle Winston Justice fell to them. I don't see it happening. Coach Andy Reid believes in building early in drafts on the lines and he'd love to have that long-term tackle in-house. Reid met with Justice in Los Angeles recently and liked him. Reid doesn't think Justice's off-field incidents -- one with pulling a toy-type gun on another student -- are much to worry about.

I think the Vince Young travelogue isn't giving us a whole lot of clues about his future. Houston last Thursday, Miami on Monday, Tennessee on Wednesday. He'll work out for the Jets in Houston on April 18. Well, Houston's not picking him. Miami, picking 16th, just might. I think we'd all agree that Young might fall, but not halfway through the first round. I still have no idea where this guy is going.



The rest of the story (http://http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/04/09/mmqb.0410/1.html)

RMANCIL
04-10-2006, 11:26 AM
Saints counting on smooth transition from Brown

This weekend's mandatory mini-camp in New Orleans could be critical, not just to rookie head coach Sean Payton and a Saints team trying to recover from the disastrous 2005 campaign, but also to the landscape of the early portion of this month's NFL draft.


New Orleans dealt starting left offensive tackle Wayne Gandy to Atlanta on Thursday, in part because the Saints' brass felt the 12-year veteran had become too pricey with a $4 million base salary for this year, but also because Payton and offensive coordinator Doug Marrone wanted the chance to see how second-year pro Jammal Brown would react to a crucial position change.

The team's first-round choice in 2005, and a 13-game starter at right tackle as a rookie, Brown was quietly one of the NFL's top first-year players last season. But now the former Oklahoma standout will be asked to move to the left side, and to become the primary pass-protection bodyguard for quarterback Drew Brees, who is still recovering from shoulder surgery and scheduled to be just a spectator this weekend.


By making the Gandy trade when they did, the Saints essentially provided themselves five practice sessions this weekend to evaluate Brown at left tackle. That's five practice sessions well in advance of the draft, where the Saints, if Brown falters, still have the option of using the second overall pick in the first round to snatch University of Virginia left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, if necessary.


Ferguson, of course, is the top-rated tackle in the lottery. Pairing him with Brown would provide the Saints a terrific young tackle tandem for many years. New Orleans has so many shortcomings to address, though, that choosing Ferguson might be a luxury the Saints really can't afford. On the other hand, if Brown isn't up to the task, and this weekend will provide an early evaluation, then the Saints might have to take a hard look at Ferguson, especially given the need to protect Brees.


Other franchises in the top 10 of the draft, several of whom covet Ferguson, will be keeping a keen eye on the reports coming out of the Saints' mini-camp this weekend. They will pay strict attention to any news that hints at how Brown performed at left tackle.


It wasn't all that long ago that New Orleans could claim a wealth of depth on the offensive line. As much as any team in the league, the Saints did a superb job of stockpiling young blockers, and for years were one of the deepest franchises in the NFL on the offensive line. But the Saints lost star center LeCharles Bentley to Cleveland as an unrestricted free agent, released starting left guard Kendyl Jacox and then dealt Gandy to the Falcons, a rare trade involving division rivals.


There's a lot to rebuild in New Orleans, obviously, off the field. On it, the Saints need to remake much of their offensive line, and the first step comes this weekend.


Around the league

• It won't be all that surprising, no matter what Brett Favre decides about his future, if the Green Bay Packers consider choosing University of Texas quarterback Vince Young with the No. 5 slot in the first round. Assuming, of course, that Young still is available there. Some in the league insist that the Packers' brass is becoming increasingly captivated by Young's unique skills set. So much so that, while the Packers have a lot of holes to fill, they might find it difficult to pass on a player of Young's stature, even if there is some redundancy involved in taking him. Green Bay invested its first-round pick in 2005, of course, on quarterback Aaron Rodgers, and the conventional wisdom is that he is the starter of the future. But there is a belief in some quarters that the former University of California star isn't necessarily viewed as the heir apparent to Favre's job by everyone in the Green Bay organization. First-year head coach Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator in San Francisco last season, and worked with 49ers top pick Alex Smith, so he is eminently familiar with having to wean a quarterback away from the shotgun as his primary formation and convert him to playing behind center. That's the task, or at least part of it, which awaits any team that chooses Young.


Young
As noted here last week, if Young slides out of the top five, its hard to envision Oakland not stopping his plummet with the seventh overall selection. And Arizona would jump on him with the No. 10 slot if he dropped to them. Keep an eye on Tennessee, too, with the No. 3 overall pick. It's not a slam dunk, even with the presence of offensive coordinator Norm Chow on the staff, that the Titans would take Matt Leinart of Southern California over Young as their long-term quarterback of the future.


• During their Thursday visit with USC tailback and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush, the Houston Texans did not initiate contract negotiations, but that next critical step in the wooing of the player who will be the top overall choice in the draft probably is imminent. Agent Joel Segal and Bush's marketing expert, Mike Ornstein, huddled on Thursday with Texans contract negotiator Dan Ferens. And that get-acquainted session figures to soon grow into full-blown negotiations. Like any team with the top choice, the Texans prefer to have a deal in place with Bush before the draft begins. For his part, Segal has been scouring the contracts signed by the last several No. 1 overall selections and developing a framework for his client's financial expectations. "It would be great to have the contract done before the draft," Segal acknowledged. "That's the ultimate."


• Don't buy into the rhetoric that the other half of USC's star-studded tailback tandem, LenDale White, will slide all the way through the first round because of serious questions about his work ethic, conditioning and lingering hamstring problem. The leading touchdown-maker in Trojans history did not endear himself to scouts last Sunday, when he barely registered a pulse at the school's pro day audition. And, yes, White is going to have to make an attempt to log a 40-yard time, and soon, before any team is inclined to invest millions of dollars in him. The conundrum for White is that, if he tries to run before his hamstring is healed, and pops it again, he won't have time to recover and get in a 40 for scouts before the draft. Still, if you watch White on tape, he is a heck of a player, the only real high-round power back in this year's tailback talent pool. And while there are a lot of flies buzzing around him right now, there are still enough teams that covet him (Denver with the 22nd pick and Carolina at No. 27), that he'll find a safety net in the second half of the first round.


• So much for those guesstimates this week by some of the parties involved that the trade of Detroit Lions quarterback Joey Harrington was imminent. As with any deal that demands two-pronged compensation -- reaching a contract accord with the player and also agreeing to satisfactory payment with the franchise that is trading him -- things have gotten complicated. There probably has been enough negotiating that agent David Dunn can strike a deal with either the Miami Dolphins (on a two-year contract) or with the Cincinnati Bengals (one year) at any time. But the Lions, who originally were reported to be seeking just a sixth-round choice in return for Harrington, the third prospect selected overall in the 2002 draft, actually are looking for more. Detroit is said to want a pair of middle-round choices, preferably fourth- and fifth-rounders for Harrington, and isn't inclined to make a quick trade until it determines if there are other suitors beyond the Dolphins and Bengals out there.


Harrington
As noted here last week, the Lions have no urgency to make a move, since Harrington isn't due a $4 million roster bonus until June 15, and Detroit simply can hold onto him. There are suspicions, though, that the Lions prefer Harrington depart before the draft. And if that is true, the clock is ticking, but not yet very loudly. You can't blame the Lions for wanting to squeeze the most they can out of any team seeking Harrington, especially since Detroit made a significant investment (about $20 million and countless hours of tutoring) in the four-year veteran. Meanwhile, the Dolphins, who are growing increasingly impatient with the pace of the Harrington negotiations, suddenly have turned their attentions to free agent Jamie Martin as a potential fallback. That's ironic, because the Bengals have been talking with Martin's agent, Tom Mills, as well. Bengals coach Marvin Lewis vowed at the start of free agency to have a new backup quarterback in the first week of the signing period. A month in, Cincinnati still hasn't filled the vacancy created when Jon Kitna departed as a free agent. That could mean the club is encouraged by the progress that starter Carson Palmer has demonstrated to this point in his rehabilitation from January knee surgery. It might also mean, quite simply, the Bengals haven't found anyone they like very much for the No. 2 role. There is some feeling now that Cincinnati will just go with backups Doug Johnson and Craig Krenzel for the time being, and then re-evaluate the depth chart either during or after the draft later this month.

RMANCIL
04-10-2006, 11:29 AM
It didn't get much media play this week but, when the Lions added versatile free agent Mike Furrey, formerly of the St. Louis Rams, it offered the latest indication that the trio of first-round wide receivers in Motown might not be together much longer. There have been rumblings about the work ethic (or lack thereof) of Charles Rogers, Roy Williams and Mike Williams, and how it might stall the progress new offensive coordinator Mike Martz is trying to make during the Lions' offseason program. Last month, Detroit added unrestricted free agent wide receiver Corey Bradford of Houston and now Furrey, who played wide receiver for Martz in St. Louis before moving to free safety in 2005, has come aboard.

A former Arena Football League standout, Furrey is a hard worker, knows the Martz design, and will move back to wide receiver with the Lions now. Martz isn't exactly known for his patience and it won't take long for him to become frustrated if the big-name wide receivers in Detroit lag behind the learning curve. Also, first-year head coach Rod Marinelli has made it clear he won't reconcile laggards. Lions team president Matt Millen already has swallowed hard by putting Harrington on the trading block. It might not be long before one or more of the team's former first-round wide receivers, all of them brought in to play in the West Coast style offense of deposed coach Steve Mariucci, are out the door, too.


• Good move this week by Buffalo general manager Marv Levy, debunking rumors that emanated from the recent league meetings that the Bills are shopping former first-round quarterback J.P. Losman in trade talks. First off, the rumors aren't true, according to several personnel directors asked if they had heard anything about a Losman trade. Second, the former Tulane star, for all his outward bravado, is a kid who needs to have his confidence boosted, not torn down, at this early juncture of his career. Said Levy: "We have made no overtures to anyone. No one has approached us and, even if they did, we have a high regard for J.P. He's a young quarterback who has put in his learning time … There are many things about him that we like." Losman will compete in camp with Kelly Holcomb and Craig Nall for the starting job. He certainly has the most obvious physical talent of the trio, but needs to display maturity on and off the field and better decision-making skills.

Eric Warfield
Cornerback
New England Patriots

Profile
2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Tot Ast Solo FF Sack Int
57 53 4 0 0 1

• Nice move, too, this week by the New England Patriots, in signing unrestricted free agent cornerback Eric Warfield, who played with the Kansas City Chiefs the first eight years of his NFL career. Warfield has had more than his share of off-field problems the last few seasons, notably a string of DUIs, and so there is some risk involved in taking him. But the Pats signed him to a two-year contract that had no signing bonus and just minimum base salaries, so their financial exposure is zero. It wasn't all that long ago that Warfield, who turned 30 last month, was a top-shelf cover guy. If he can walk the straight and narrow, he might be a terrific veteran addition to a cornerbacks corps that is very young and features kids such as Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs and Randall Gay. New England didn't get much out of the last few veteran cornerbacks it imported, guys like Tyrone Poole and Duane Starks, but Warfield has a solid résumé as a player and could be a steal.


• The deadline for signing restricted free agents to offer sheets is April 21 and there are still some candidates, including Cincinnati three-year veteran fullback Jeremi Johnson, who are being pursued. The Bengals are trying to sign Johnson, a powerful 265-pound lead blocker who has cleared the way for star tailback Rudi Johnson to average 1,289.7 rushing yards over the past three seasons, to a long-term contract rather than just one one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer. But the San Francisco 49ers, who let longtime starting fullback Fred Beasley depart in free agency, have made overtures to Jeremi Johnson as well. A fourth-round choice in the 2005 draft, the former Western Kentucky standout is a prototype of how the fullback position is defined by most teams now. He has just 69 "touches" in three seasons, including only 26 rushes in 48 appearances, but is a selfless performer. While he might not seem as big a key to the potent Cincinnati offense as the stars who share his surname, Rudi Johnson and wideout Chad Johnson, the young fullback is a key component. To date, four restricted free agents have switched teams this spring, the latest being offensive tackle Torrin Tucker, who went from Dallas to Tampa Bay on Thursday night when the Cowboys chose not to match the two-year, $2.6 million offer sheet he signed with the Bucs.


• While there were some skeptics, mostly because of the propensity of the agent involved to exaggerate contract numbers even when they don't need to be inflated, it turns out that the contract defensive end John Abraham signed with the Atlanta Falcons is precisely as advertised. Six years for $45 million. Granted, the base salaries jump so dramatically after the first two seasons that the Falcons likely will have to restructure the contract at that juncture, but that is easily enough accomplished. The most impressive element of the contract for Abraham, acquired from the New York Jets in a three-team trade that also involved the Denver Broncos, is that the six-year veteran will bank a monstrous $15.5 million this season and $19.5 million in the first two years. Even for a proven pass-rusher such as Abraham, those are staggering numbers. League documents show the contract includes a signing bonus of $12.5 million and roster bonuses of $1 million for 2006 and $2 million for 2007. The annual base salaries are $2 million (2006), $2 million (2007), $6 million (2008), $5 million (2009), $6.5 million (2010) and $8 million (2011).


• Lost in the shuffle of rules changes enacted at the recent league meetings in Orlando was an alteration to Rule 6, Section 1, Article 5 which, in part, deals with onside kicks. Proposed by the competition committee and largely championed by Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian, the change addresses the increasing threat of injury during onside kicks. Too many teams, the committee opined, had been "loading up" on onside kick attempts, placing a disproportionate number of players to one side of the kicker. The move created not only a disadvantage for the receiving team but also placed players in peril while attempting to recover the kick while being besieged by opponents. The rules change stipulates that at least four players from the kicking team must be on each side of the kicker when the ball is put into play.


• Every year, agent Joe Linta comes up with an offensive line sleeper in the draft, a guy who somehow has fallen between the cracks, then gets chosen in the middle rounds and makes a roster. Last year, Linta's project guy was tackle Todd Herremans of Saginaw Valley State, who was chosen by Philadelphia in the fourth round, and ended up starting four games as a rookie. This year's Linta find: Hofstra offensive lineman Willie Colon, who is a shade under 6-feet-3, weighed 333 pounds at a workout for one NFL team this week, and likely will go off the board in the fourth or fifth round. A guard much of his career, some teams feel that, despite less than prototype height, Colon might be able to play some tackle in the league. A tough, blue-collar kid from the South Bronx, and blessed with a strong work ethic, Colon has met with six teams so far.

Even though the Rams signed Gus Frerotte to a three-year contract to serve as the backup to starter Marc Bulger, the team might consider investing an early-round draft choice on a quarterback … One of the fastest movers up draft boards around the league: Oklahoma center Chris Chester, a former tight end with great feet, and a prospect who is demonstrating to scouts that he can hold the fort in the middle.

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RMANCIL
04-10-2006, 11:52 AM
Ron Mancil Top 15 2006 Minus the Golden Boys

1) Bush, *Reggie (RB), Southern Cal

2) Williams, *Mario (DE), North Carolina State

3) Ferguson, D'Brickashaw (OT), Virginia

4) Davis, *Vernon (TE), Maryland

5) Hawk, A.J. (OLB), Ohio State

6) Huff, Michael (SS), Texas

7) Bunkley, Brodrick (DT), Florida State

8) Justice, *Winston (OT), Southern Cal

9) Ngata, *Haloti (DT), Oregon

10) Hill, Tye (CB), Clemson

11) Lawson, Manny (OLB), North Carolina State

12) Williams, Jimmy (CB), Virginia Tech

12) Wimbley, Kamerion (DE), Florida State

13) Allen, Jason (FS), Tennessee

14) Lewis, Marcedes (TE), UCLA

15) Joseph, Davin (OG), Oklahoma

These are my top 15 .

phillychargerfan
04-10-2006, 01:15 PM
Ron Mancil Top 15 2006 Minus the Golden Boys

1) Bush, *Reggie (RB), Southern Cal

2) Williams, *Mario (DE), North Carolina State

3) Ferguson, D'Brickashaw (OT), Virginia

4) Davis, *Vernon (TE), Maryland

5) Hawk, A.J. (OLB), Ohio State

6) Huff, Michael (SS), Texas

7) Bunkley, Brodrick (DT), Florida State

8) Justice, *Winston (OT), Southern Cal

9) Ngata, *Haloti (DT), Oregon

10) Hill, Tye (CB), Clemson

11) Lawson, Manny (OLB), North Carolina State

12) Williams, Jimmy (CB), Virginia Tech

12) Wimbley, Kamerion (DE), Florida State

13) Allen, Jason (FS), Tennessee

14) Lewis, Marcedes (TE), UCLA

15) Joseph, Davin (OG), Oklahoma

These are my top 15 .




Hey RMANCIL, where does Whitworth fall in your rankings? and how would you feel if the Chargers took D.Joseph at 19? I know guard isn't sexy and may not be value, but it is a need for us,besides I feel Joseph is a damn fine prospect.

RMANCIL
04-10-2006, 01:36 PM
Hey RMANCIL, where does Whitworth fall in your rankings? and how would you feel if the Chargers took D.Joseph at 19? I know guard isn't sexy and may not be value, but it is a need for us,besides I feel Joseph is a damn fine prospect.

Frankly I have a real issue with making a very deep board mainly due to the fact that I have not seen much tape on a lot of the CB.

OG is a position that never as a rule gets drafted real high.

Joseph is a real big talent in that I think he can play a great many OL positions and play them at a very high level in the N.F.L.

Whitworth is not as versatile as Joesph but he can play I think either OT position. I think that Whitworth has the potential to be a pro bowl ROT and a solid red chip LOT .

Whitworth would struggle at OG on a pulling team as he lacks the ability to make that block in space constantly IMOP.

Joseph could be a Pro bowl R/LOG or OC . I think that he also can fill in at OT ether side however mine is a minority view on this and based on very limited study.

Yet I do think that he can and will until he proves me wrong or right.

I will after some more work ( study) expand my player rankings based on talent to include a few more players.

RMANCIL
04-10-2006, 01:40 PM
Team scouting report Chargers

San Diego Chargers
Wide receiver: Keenan McCardell, 36, continues to produce, but age is going to catch up with him eventually and there are questions surrounding his supporting cast. Although Eric Parker has improved his route running and flashes the ability to make the tough catch, he has problems beating press coverage. Former second-round pick Reche Caldwell never developed as expected and it came as no surprise when he departed through free agency. San Diego needs a difference-maker who can immediately start opposite McCardell and eventually become the go-to-receiver.

My counter point
Key Vernon Jackson 2005 (http://http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=1501&videoID=706)
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/jackson_vincent The Chargers may have already solved this issue.

Offensive tackle: The Chargers did well to draft Shane Olivea in the seventh round of the 2004 draft, as he has developed into an adequate starter on the right side. However, there are concerns about the situation at left tackle. Roman Oben, 33, is coming off a season-ending foot injury and his ability to bounce back remains to be seen. Leander Jordan provides adequate depth, but he is better driving defenders off the ball than he is holding up in pass protection, making him a poor fit for the left side. With Philip Rivers entering his first season as the starting quarterback, San Diego needs a left tackle who can protect his blind side and help give him enough time to make sound decisions.

Key is Oben still is hurt and can not even work out he is 34 and coming off a major foot injury that can and will be aggravated with out pro longed rest which he can not get and work out to any real degree. Chargers back up Jordan is better suited to play ROT or OG.

Kiel
Safety: Terrence Kiel is a fierce hitter who punishes receivers over the middle, but he is a liability in coverage. The Chargers signed Marlon McCree; he has good ball skills but gives up some big plays. It's also worth noting that San Diego's defense finished with the fifth most sacks in the NFL last year and ranked 28th in overall pass defense, so it clearly needs to overhaul the personnel in the secondary. Keeping that in mind, look for the Chargers to use a Day 1 pick on a defensive back who has the athleticism, speed and play making ability that this unit has been lacking.

The defense that the Bolts use is geared to stopping the run first and as a result allows a lot of short to medium pass completions. The Bolts however don't carry very many CB on their roster and as long as Fletcher is a F.A. the team needs a CB. The Bolts do carry a lot of Safetys primarly to help on ST , with McCree addition it is very doubtful that the Chargers will spend more money and or picks on this position unless they release someone. McCree, Marlon , Jue Bhawoh , Pippens Jerrell , Milligan Hanik , Hart Clinton , Kiel Terrence , are on the roster now and Expect that Pippens will not make the team now that McCree has been signed .

Offensive guard: Mike Goff and Kris Dielman are tough run blockers who never stop working, but their lack of initial quickness is reason for concern and they have problems holding up in pass protection. In addition, there isn't much depth. Dielman is young enough to learn how to use technique to mask his weaknesses and develop into an effective starter. That's not the case with Goff, who is on the downside of his career. In addition, there isn't great depth. Again, it's crucial that San Diego gives Rivers enough time to make smart decisions, so adding a guard who can hold up in pass protection and push Goff for playing time is the priority.

Agree , the drafting of a OT may allow Shane Olivea to move inside to OG where he could become a Blue chip talent.


Cornerback: This unit has underachieved, as former first-round picks Quentin Jammer and Sammy Davis haven't come close to realizing their potential and former second-round pick Drayton Florence is inconsistent. Making matters worse, Jamar Fletcher is an unrestricted free agent who may not return. San Diego needs a developmental corner who has the natural ability to push for playing time in its sub-packages this year and the top three corners for substantial playing time in the near future.

Drayton Florence has shown the most improvement of the CB during his short career and if he continues he could turn out to be one of Smiths great selections. Jammer must learn to find the ball when playing the WR. He made improvement during the second half of the season. Davis has been a disappointment thus for.

Other possibilities: Quarterback and fullback.

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phillychargerfan
04-10-2006, 02:28 PM
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OG is a position that never as a rule gets drafted real high.[COLOR]

Yeah, I agree about drafting a guard in the 1st, however I believe Hutchinson was drafted in the 1st (mid to late 20's?) so it wouldn't be earthshattering. I just feel that it is such a major need and as much as I love the potential of Cromartie,Allen or Whitner I would lean towards Joseph, whether or not we can trade down.

I'm also starting to agree with you about drafting an oline prospect in the 1st. I really looked at all the teams that NEED oline help, and I think your right, There are going to be teams high in the 2nd round that need oline help that won't be able to get it in the 1st.

RMANCIL
04-10-2006, 02:56 PM
Yeah, I agree about drafting a guard in the 1st, however I believe Hutchinson was drafted in the 1st (mid to late 20's?) so it wouldn't be earthshattering. I just feel that it is such a major need and as much as I love the potential of Cromartie,Allen or Whitner I would lean towards Joseph, whether or not we can trade down.

I'm also starting to agree with you about drafting an oline prospect in the 1st. I really looked at all the teams that NEED oline help, and I think your right, There are going to be teams high in the 2nd round that need oline help that won't be able to get it in the 1st.

This class has some very good OG in it the OT class is very disappointing a lot of us were looking forward to this class being a great OT draft and it isn't shaping up that way.

If past drafts are a good key then the positions that are shallow will see a early run and the positions that have depth will sit a little while.
That is where Kiper and I differ he sees the DB going big time in the first round and I think that may not be the case.

Joseph is a real good looking player but I don't think the Bolts will take him primarly due to the fact that he may not address the OT issue for them.

Whitworth or Justice being drafted would allow them to move Shane Olivea to OG where he could be a ALL-Pro player and either would be better OT than Joseph who is primarily a OG/OC who played LOT this season.

But I am with you I like him a lot and Smith can watch a lot more film than me on him and if he thinks he can fill in a LOT-ROT and OG he sure would be a great selection.

It looks like the Bolts need to draft a CB in this draft and I expect that will happen in the top 2 rounds.

If the draft breaks the way I see it we could land a good CB in round 2.
A lot of these kids that folks are projecting as 1 st round picks have very little playing time in college and as such fit the 2 nd round developmental player much better than the I am a N.F.L. starter for sure 1st round mind set.

hoopdreams
04-10-2006, 03:07 PM
The later rounds have consistently provided solid players at O line. With the huge selection of O line in this draft class I would say use the 1st round pick on secondary and use the later picks on O line. Just look at Olivea coming to us in the 7th. The guy is not elite but he is an above average blocker and does a great job on the right side.

All of the fans are gun shy about getting another DB in the early rounds because of the early disappointments of Davis and Jammer. If Smith could get us a DB that will play like Polamalu or a Gamble first year out, then we would be really happy to get a DB.

Then we can get 2 great O lineman in the second third or fourth round and draft a WR in there also. Then pick up a third string QB and a special teamer in the later rounds.

phillychargerfan
04-10-2006, 03:30 PM
The later rounds have consistently provided solid players at O line. With the huge selection of O line in this draft class I would say use the 1st round pick on secondary and use the later picks on O line. Just look at Olivea coming to us in the 7th. The guy is not elite but he is an above average blocker and does a great job on the right side.

All of the fans are gun shy about getting another DB in the early rounds because of the early disappointments of Davis and Jammer. If Smith could get us a DB that will play like Polamalu or a Gamble first year out, then we would be really happy to get a DB.

Then we can get 2 great O lineman in the second third or fourth round and draft a WR in there also. Then pick up a third string QB and a special teamer in the later rounds.

Your right about later round prospects developing into oline players, the problem is MOST of those players are guards, not LT's. It was VERY rare and lucky that Olivea turned into our starting RT. But I do like the potential of the 3 Cb/S tweeners.

Chargeroo
04-10-2006, 04:34 PM
The later rounds have consistently provided solid players at O line. With the huge selection of O line in this draft class I would say use the 1st round pick on secondary and use the later picks on O line. Just look at Olivea coming to us in the 7th. The guy is not elite but he is an above average blocker and does a great job on the right side.

All of the fans are gun shy about getting another DB in the early rounds because of the early disappointments of Davis and Jammer. If Smith could get us a DB that will play like Polamalu or a Gamble first year out, then we would be really happy to get a DB.

Then we can get 2 great O lineman in the second third or fourth round and draft a WR in there also. Then pick up a third string QB and a special teamer in the later rounds.I can't agree that the later rounds have consistently provided solid players in the o-line. The teams in this league that have the best o-lines have spent early picks on them. Our present o-line is filled out by low draft picks and UDFA's and how's that doing for us? You get what you pay for in most cases. We did luck out with Olivea but that's very rare.

I think if we hold off to tab o-line help until the third or fourth round, we'll have a bad year ahead of us. Actually, that's exactly what got us into trouble last year, we took o-line help later in the draft and when we lost Fonoti and Oben, the backups weren't up to the task. I'm betting they learned a lesson from that and will get a OT early in this draft - 2nd round at the latest.

We also need help for the D-backs because of Fletcher leaving and because our starters have been inconsistent. That's the other position I expect them to fill early.

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 01:08 PM
Brandt's top prospects for the draft: Offense


By Gil Brandt
NFL.com Senior Analyst


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(April 11, 2006) -- After the 2005 collegiate season ended, the scouting process for draft-eligible players began. And Gil Brandt was with you every step of the way. After pre-Combine rankings, Combine results, post-Combine evaluations and Pro Day workouts, Brandt has crunched all the numbers and compiled a list of the best prospects at each position.

In addition to Brandt's top prospects, he also lists some "wild cards" that may be picked higher than expected and some of the top prospects for the 2007 NFL Draft. Those are players that will be seniors in the 2006 collegiate season and will be draft eligible afterward.

The following are Brandt's top guys on offense. Remember, these rankings can change almost hourly.

Top 5 Quarterbacks
Rank Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
1 Matt Leinart USC 6-4 7/8 223 no time
2 Vince Young Texas 6-4 5/8 229 4.57
3 Jay Cutler Vanderbilt 6-3¼ 228 4.78
4 Kellen Clemens Oregon 6-1 5/8 224 4.97*
5 Brodie Croyle Alabama 6-2½ 205 4.92


Wild Card
Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
Travaris Jackson Alabama State 6-2 226 4.72


Top QB prospects for 2007 NFL Draft (in alphabetical order):
Player School Height Weight
Jason Beck BYU 6-1½ 218
Sam Keller Arizona State 6-3½ 233
Chris Leak Florida 5-11½ 205
Brady Quinn Notre Dame 6-3 225
Drew Stanton Michigan State 6-2½ 218



Top 5 Running Backs
Rank Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
1 Reggie Bush USC 5-10 7/8 201 4.35
2 DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214 4.42
3 Laurence Maroney Minnesota 5-11 7/8 217 4.47
4 LenDale White USC 6-0 3/8 238 no time
5 Joseph Addai LSU 5-11¼ 214 4.42


Wild Card
Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
Brian Calhoun Wisconsin 5-9¼ 201 4.60


Top RB prospects for 2007 NFL Draft (in alphabetical order):
Player School Height Weight
Michael Bush Louisville 6-2 245
Kenneth Darby Alabama 5-10¾ 212
Kenny Irons Auburn 5-10½ 205
Brian Leonard Rutgers 6-1½ 230
Tyrone Moss Miami (Fla.) 5-9 223
Garrett Wolfe Northern Illinois 5-6½ 180



Top 5 Wide Receivers
Rank Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
1 Chad Jackson Florida 6-0 7/8 213 4.35
2 Santonio Holmes Ohio State 5-10 5/8 178 4.40
3 Sinorice Moss Miami (Fla.) 5-8 185 4.37
4 Derek Hagan Arizona State 6-1½ 205 4.46
5 Greg Jennings Western Michigan 5-11 1/8 197 4.48


Wild Card
Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
Maurice Stovall Notre Dame 6-4 3/8 217 4.58


Top WR prospects for 2007 NFL Draft (in alphabetical order):
Player School Height Weight
Joel Filani Texas Tech 6-2 215
Jarrett Hicks Texas Tech 6-3 210
Jason Hill Washington State 6-1½ 205
Jeff Samardzija Notre Dame 6-4½ 215
Chansi Stuckey Clemson 6-0½ 185
Steve Smith USC 6-0½ 195



Top 5 Tight Ends
Rank Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
1 Vernon Davis Maryland 6-3¼ 256 4.39
2 Anthony Fasano Notre Dame 6-4 1/8 259 4.75
3 Leonard Pope Georgia 6-7¾ 258 4.67
4 Marcedes Lewis UCLA 6-5 3/8 261 4.84
5 Joe Klopfenstein Colorado 6-5¾ 261 4.66


Wild Card
Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
David Thomas Texas 6-3 1/8 252 4.70


Top TE prospects for 2007 NFL Draft (in alphabetical order):
Player School Height Weight
Clark Harris Rutgers 6-5 250
Dan Murray Connecticut 6-4 245
Jake Nordin Northern Illinois 6-4 250
Matt Spaeth Minnesota 6-5 265



Top 5 Centers
Rank Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
1 Nick Mangold Ohio State 6-3 5/8 300 5.10
2 Chris Chester Oklahoma 6-3 3/8 303 4.90
3 Greg Eslinger Minnesota 6-3 1/8 292 5.15
4 Ryan Cook New Mexico 6-5 5/8 328 5.45
5 Marvin Philip California 6-1 307 5.27


Wild Card
Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
Pat Ross Boston College 6-3½ 301 5.00


Top Center prospects for 2007 NFL Draft (in alphabetical order):
Player School Height Weight
Ryan Kalil USC 6-3 285
Dan Mozes West Virginia 6-4 280
Lyle Sendlein Texas 6-4 305
Kyle Young Fresno State 6-3½ 320



Top 5 Guards
Rank Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
1 Davin Joseph Oklahoma 6-2 5/8 311 5.13
2 Max Jean-Gilles Georgia 6-3¾ 355 5.52
3 Taitusi Lutui USC 6-3 5/8 334 5.47
4 Charles Spencer Pittsburgh 6-4¾ 352 5.30
5 Fred Matua USC 6-2 3/8 306 5.08


Wild Card
Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
Will Montgomery Virginia Tech 6-3 312 5.12


Top Guard prospects for 2007 NFL Draft (in alphabetical order):
Player School Height Weight
Josh Beckman Boston College 6-1½ 320
Justin Blalock Texas 6-3½ 330
Roman Fry Clemson 6-3 290
Enoka Lucas Oregon 6-2¾ 300



Top 5 Offensive Tackles
Rank Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
1 D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia 6-6 312 5.07
2 Winston Justice USC 6-6 1/8 320 5.15
3 Eric Winston Miami (Fla.) 6-6 5/8 310 4.97
4 Andrew Whitworth LSU 6-7 334 5.18
5 Marcus McNeill Auburn 6-7 5/8 336 5.10


Wild Card
Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
Daryn Colledge Boise State 6-4 3/8 299 5.07


Top OT prospects for 2007 NFL Draft (in alphabetical order):
Player School Height Weight
Levi Brown Penn State 6-4½ 325
Ryan Harris Notre Dame 6-4½ 300
Aaron Sears Tennessee 6-3½ 325
Joe Thomas Wisconsin 6-7 305



Top 5 Special Teamers -- Punters
Rank Player School Height Weight
1 Ryan Plackemeier Wake Forest 6-3 3/8 253
2 Steve Weatherford Illinois 6-2 1/8 217


Top Punter prospect for 2007 NFL Draft:
Player School Height Weight
Brandon Carney Syracuse 6-4 200



Top 5 Special Teamers -- Kickers
Rank Player School Height Weight
1 Nick Huston Ohio State 6-1 1/8 209
2 Stephen Gostkowski Memphis 6-1 1/8 212


Top Kicker prospect for 2007 NFL Draft:
Player School Height Weight
Mason Crosby Colorado 6-1½ 205



* -- Clemens should run faster once there are no more lasting effects from a broken leg.

Of interest Antonio Cromartie Florida State 6-2 1/8 208 4.51 notice the 40 yd time.

Rank Player School Height Weight 40-yard dash
1 D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia 6-6 312 5.07
2 Winston Justice USC 6-6 1/8 320 5.15
3 Eric Winston Miami (Fla.) 6-6 5/8 310 4.97
4 Andrew Whitworth LSU 6-7 334 5.18
5 Marcus McNeill Auburn 6-7 5/8 336 5.10

Whitworth is climbing on a lot of boards funny we have always seen him as a top talent.:)

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 01:17 PM
2006 NFL draft value board

TFY Draft Preview / Special to FOXSports.com
Posted: 1 hour ago




Prospect Ranks:
Click below for Scout.com's 2006 NFL Draft Rankings (http://http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5449026).


Scout.com's 2006 NFL Draft Rankings



As NFL scouts criss-cross the nation for the last full week of pro-day workouts, draft boards around the league are in their final phases. With that here's a look at the present value players hold throughout the draft's seven rounds.


We've allotted 35-players first, second and third round grades. Starting in rounds four-through-seven that number was increased to 40, allowing for additional picks which will be handed out through the compensatory selections.



Draft grades: Round 1
Early Middle Late
Reggie Bush
Matt Leinart
Mario Williams
D'Brickshaw Ferguson
A.J. Hawk
Michael Huff
Vernon Davis
Jimmy Williams
Haloti Ngata
Vince Young
Jay Cutler

middle 1 st
Brodrick Bunkley
Tye Hill
LenDale White
Kamerion Wimbley
Winston Justice
Chad Greenway
DeAngelo Williams
Santonio Holmes
Ernie Sims
Chad Jackson
Tamba Hali

late 1st
Manny Lawson
Donte Whitner
Mathias Kiwanuka
Leonard Pope
DeMeco Ryans
Laurence Maroney
Eric Winston
Kelly Jennings
Ashton Youboty
Marcedes Lewis
Ko Simpson
Nick Mangold





Draft grades: Round 2
Early Middle Late
Jason Allen
Bobby Carpenter
Marcus McNeill
Johnathan Joseph
Joseph Addai
Sinorice Moss
Max Jean-Gilles
Antonio Cromartie
Thomas Howard
Gabe Watson
Alan Zemaitis
Joe Klopfenstein

mid 2 nd
Claude Wroten
Charles Gordon
Mark Anderson
Maurice Stovall
Davin Joseph
Daniel Bullocks
Richard Marshall
Jerome Harrison
Maurice Drew
Darnell Bing
Mike Kudla
Jesse Mahelona

late 2nd
Demetrius Williams
Jerious Norwood
Victor Adeyanju
Daryn Colledge
Brian Calhoun
Charles Spencer
Dominique Byrd
Cedric Griffin
Anthony Fasano
Taitusi Lutui
Stanley McClover





Draft grades: Round 3
Early Middle Late
Greg Jennings
Marcus Maxey
Jonathan Scott
Roman Harper
John McCargo
Brodie Croyle
Anwar Phillips
Chris Chester
Travis Wilson
Dusty Dvoracek
Parys Haralson
Will Blackmon

mid 3rd
Abdul Hodge
Dee Webb
Ray Edwards
Mike Hass
Derek Hagan
Kyle Williams
Tony Scheffler
Jeff Webb
Clint Ingram
Jeremy Trueblood
Danieal Manning
Greg Eslinger

late 3rd
Jonathan Lewis
Timothy Day
Devin Hester
Gerris Wilkinson
Ryan LaCasse
Ryan O'Callaghan
D'Qwell Jackson
Montavious Stanley
Andrew Whitworth
Ryan Cook
Barry Cofield
DonTrell Moore





Draft grades: Round 4
Early Middle Late
Julian Jenkins
Jason Avant
Marcus Hudson
Roger McIntosh
David Thomas
Rashad Butler
Pat Watkins
Darryl Tapp
Charlie Whitehurst
Mike Bell
Tim Jennings
Spencer Havner
Leon Washington
Babatunde Oshinowo
Brandon Williams
Eric Henderson
Bernard Pollard
Greg Blue
Jon Alston
Andre Hall
Guy Whimper
Demario Minter
Jonathan Orr
Jason Spitz
Freddie Roach
Rodrique Wright
Kevin Boothe
Nate Salley
Willie Reid
Rob Ninkovich
Brian Iwuh
William Kershaw
Wali Lundy
Quinton Ganther
Chijioke Onyenegecha





Draft grades: Round 5
Early Middle Late
D.J. Shockley
Charlie Peprah
Rob Sims
Jeff King
Skyler Green
Omar Gaither
James Wyche
Lawrence Vickers
Isaac Sowells
Fred Matua
Omar Jacobs
Jason Hall
Todd Watkins
John Torp
Titus Adams
P.J. Daniels
Hank Baskett
Tim McGarigle
Taurean Henderson
Elvis Dumervil
Marvin Philip
Dan Stevenson
Orien Harris
David Pittman
Dawan Landry
Derrick Martin
Kellen Clemens
Martin Nance
James Anderson
LeKevin Smith
Dale Robinson
Dion Byrum
Albert Toeaina
Frostee Rucker
Anthony Schlegel
Owen Daniels
Willie Colon
Brandon Johnson
Melvin Oliver
Antonie Bethea
Josh Lay
Donovan Raiola





Draft grades: Round 6
Early Middle Late
Jeromey Clary
David Kirtman
Chris Harrell
Ryan Plackemeier
Stephen Tulloch
Oliver Hoyte
Adam Stenavich
Ben Obomanu
Jermey Mincey
Michael Toudouze
A.J. Nicholson
Joe Toledo
Darrell Hunter
Hubert Walker
Chris Taylor
Anthony Smith
Manaia Brown
Travis Williams
Bruce Gradkowski
Trent Bray
Kai Parham
Chris Gocong
Harrison Smith
Reggie McNeal
Troy Reddick
Calvin Lowry
Greg Lee
Ingle Martin
Brad Butler
Cameron Vaughn
Jahri Evans
Terrence Whitehead
Tommy Jackson
Terna Nande





Draft grades: Round 7
Early Middle Late
Naufahu Tahi
Jason Hatcher
Tim Massaquoi
Eric Smith
Mike Degory
Tony Tella
Terrence Pennington
Cedric Humes
Justin Wyatt
Jarrad Page
Brett Basanez
Dennis Davis
Will Allen
Jamar Williams
Damarius Bilbo
Gerald Riggs Jr.
Henry Anderson
T.J. Williams
Dennis Roland
Moe Thompson
Jahmile Addae
Nick Reid
Alton McCann
Darrell Adams
Erik Meyer
Anthony Mix
Gerrick McPhearson
Keith Ellison
Matt Lentz
Joshua Tinch
Gilbert Harris
Charlton Keith
Steve Weatherford
Garret Mills
Darrell Hackney
J.D. Runnels
Charles Bennett
J.J. Horne
Kedric Golston
Wendell Mathis
Leon Williams
Paul McQuistan
John Walker
Will Montgomery
Reed Doughty
Tim Dobbins

phillychargerfan
04-11-2006, 01:51 PM
Hey RMANCIL, looks like Whitworth is climbing FAST!! By the week of the draft he may be above E.Winston according to the draft "experts"

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 01:53 PM
Ron Mancil Top 15 2006 Minus the Golden Boys

1) Bush, *Reggie (RB), Southern Cal

2) Williams, *Mario (DE), North Carolina State

3) Ferguson, D'Brickashaw (OT), Virginia

4) Davis, *Vernon (TE), Maryland

5) Hawk, A.J. (OLB), Ohio State

6) Huff, Michael (SS), Texas

7) Bunkley, Brodrick (DT), Florida State

8) Justice, *Winston (OT), Southern Cal

9) Ngata, *Haloti (DT), Oregon

10) Hill, Tye (CB), Clemson

11) Lawson, Manny (OLB), North Carolina State

12) Williams, Jimmy (CB), Virginia Tech

12) Wimbley, Kamerion (DE), Florida State

13) Allen, Jason (FS), Tennessee

14) Lewis, Marcedes (TE), UCLA

15) Joseph, Davin (OG), Oklahoma

16) Maroney, *Laurence (RB), Minnesota

17) Sims, *Ernie (OLB), Florida State

18) Jackson, *Chad (WR), Florida

19) Cromartie, *Antonio (CB), Florida State

20) Ryans, DeMeco (OLB), Alabama

My TOP 20

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 02:01 PM
DRAFT SCOUT MOCK DRAFT

04/10/06 - New Orleans threw a wrench into the top 10 when it locked up quarterback Drew Brees for the next six years. Now the Saints are sitting pretty with a host of athletes to pick from with the second overall selection, or they can sit back and field offers from teams desperate to land one of the draft's elite talents.

Virginia left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson stands to gain the most from this shuffle, as he now has a legitimate chance to be the second player off the board. Meanwhile, Southern California quarterback Matt Leinart suddenly looks like a good fit for Tennessee while the Packers have to be ecstatic that N.C. State defensive end Mario Williams - the draft's top defensive player - could slide to them at No. 5.

But the player who could feel the most painful ripple effect is Texas quarterback Vince Young, who was already free-falling before another team in the top 10 solved its quarterback situation.
Last Updated: 04/10/06

1 *Reggie Bush RB Southern Cal Scouts lump Bush among some of the all-time great running back talents, including LaDainian Tomlinson, Barry Sanders, O.J. Simpson and Gale Sayers. The Texans aren't going to pass up on the opportunity to add such a rare talent.

2 Matt Leinart QB Southern Cal The Saints will dictate how the top ten falls with their decision on the second pick of the draft. Leinart is perceived by most scouts to be the most valuable commodity remaining on the board. Potential franchise quarterbacks are rare and so the Saints will consider the former Trojan even with the addition of Drew Brees. That said, the more likely scenario has the Saints trading down slightly. New Orleans has only two first day selections. The Titans aren't likely to move up, as they have only two first day picks of their own. The Jets, however, with five picks on the first day (including #4 and #29 of the first round), have plenty of ammunition. This would put the Saints in position to add D'Brickashaw Ferguson at a point of better value or to fulfill another need at outside linebacker with A.J. Hawk.

3 *Vince Young QB Texas Steve McNair is entering the final year of his contract and his base salary for this season is $9 million. The Titans and McNair are struggling to agree to a restructured contract, and there is no guarantee he will return to the team. The Titans appear to be quite high on Young and likely would take him here if Leinart is off the board. However, given the choice, the team seems to be leaning towards offensive coordinator Norm Chow's former protege from Southern California. The uglier the McNair situation becomes, the more determined the Titans might be to add Leinart due to his knowledge of the offense and readiness to play immediately.

4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia With five picks on the first day, including two picks in each of the first and third rounds, the Jets certainly have the ammunition to move ahead of Tennessee and select quarterback Matt Leinart if they hold him in the high regard rumored. Should the Jets elect to stand pat, however, Ferguson makes too much sense to pass on if still available.

5 *Mario Williams DE North Carolina State The Packers could find themselves in the enviable position of picking between the top two rated defenders of the draft. If this scenario played out, the Packers wouldn't hesitate to select Williams.

6 A.J. Hawk OLB Ohio State Tight end Vernon Davis would make a lot of sense here as the team attempts to add weapons for young quarterback Alex Smith, but if Hawk makes it to the sixth pick, the 49ers would be wise to add to their defense first.

7 Michael Huff SS Texas The Raiders love speed and Huff, who ran a 4.34-second 40-yard dash at the Combine, has plenty of that. He also would provide the consistent open field tackler Oakland has been searching for.

8 *Vernon Davis TE Maryland Most expect the Bills to draft one of the top two defensive tackles, and Brodrick Bunkley and Haloti Ngata certainly would make sense. However, if Davis were to fall into the Bills' lap, his value and immediate impact potential could be too much to pass on. USC tackle Winston Justice could also be a consideration, as his stock continues to rise as the draft approaches.

9 *Winston Justice OT Southern Cal Justice's superb Pro Day effort has his stock skyrocketing as the draft approaches. The Lions started former seventh-round pick Kelly Butler at right tackle last year and though he performed adequately, Justice would provide an immediate upgrade.

10 *Haloti Ngata DT Oregon The Cardinals were among the NFL's worst last season in two areas critical to success: running the football and stopping the run. The addition of free agent Edgerrin James certainly addresses the offensive side and the 6-foot-4, 338-pound Ngata would close defensive gaps.

11 Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State The Rams have a great many options with this pick. Outside linebacker, tight end and quarterback Jay Cutler all make sense for various reasons. However, the Rams finished 27th in run defense last season and are seeking to replace two former first-round defensive tackles in Ryan Pickett and Damione Lewis. Bunkley broke the FSU record for tackles for loss in a season with 25 and was one of the top performers at both the Senior Bowl and Combine.

12 Kamerion Wimbley DE Florida State The two primary needs for the 3-4 alignment are a nose guard and outside linebackers. The Browns addressed both via free agency, but they are still looking for depth. Wimbley would give them a young pass rusher to soak up knowledge from newly signed Willie McGinist.

13 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt Teams are all over the board on Cutler, which could facilitate a slight drop down the board for the former SEC star. The Ravens are looking to add some competition for Kyle Boller and have closely scouted this year's passers. Quarterbacks coach Rick Neuheisel joined the Baltimore scouting staff at the Senior Bowl, where Cutler shined. The Ravens like Justice, but his Pro Day performance may have vaulted out of Baltimore's reach.

14 Manny Lawson OLB North Carolina State Defensive coordinator Jim Johnson's defense is predicated on pressure and speed. Lawson, a collegiate defensive end, has an unbelievable combination of size (6-6, 241) and speed (4.43) and would be making the transition here to strong side outside linebacker. Lawson's workout and past production (10.5 sacks as a senior) has his stock moving up.

15 *Chad Jackson WR Florida Rod Smith can't last forever and former first-round pick Ashley Lelie continues to struggle with consistency. The Broncos are believed to be targeting Jackson and pass rushers Wimbley and Lawson with this pick, and will simply take their choice of who remains.

16 Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech Nick Saban has shown a willingness to take a chance on inconsistent athletes in the past with Ricky Williams and Manuel Wright. Williams wasn't as dominant at his Pro Day as expected and struggles with consistency, but is the draft's most gifted cornerback. Some might feel the Dolphins have addressed the need for corners with the recent free agent additions of Will Allen and Andre Goodman, but depth is unreliable.

17 *Ernie Sims OLB Florida State The Vikings are looking to add linebackers with the speed to play in their Cover-2 alignment. Sims showed his 4.50 speed at the Combine and has drawn comparisons to Derrick Brooks, considered by many to be the prototype Cover-2 linebacker.

18 *Antonio Cromartie CB Florida State A bit of a surprise here, but Cromartie's blend of size and playmaking ability has him climbing the board. The Cowboys love to make a splash on draft day and would like to add to their secondary.

19 Tye Hill CB Clemson The Chargers have certainly tried to address the cornerback position in the past, as they employ three former first rounders there. Unfortunately, Quentin Jammer, Sammy Davis and Jamar Fletcher only snared three interceptions between them in 2005. Hill's explosive speed likely assures him being selected in the top 20, even if teams are wary of his less than prototypical size (5-10, 185).

20 Kelly Jennings CB Miami After releasing Eric Warfield and Dexter McCleon, the Chiefs will strongly consider top cornerback prospects with their first-round pick. Only Williams and Hill are considered locks for the top 20, however, so the Chiefs might have to reach a little to fill this need. There are other corners with more upside still on the board and Jennings' lack of size (5-11, 178) is a concern. However, the former Hurricane is considered one of the top man-to-man cornerbacks in the draft and a relatively safe pick at this point. Excluding Derrick Johnson, the Chiefs have had several early round mistakes on defensive players in recent years and can't afford another gamble on greatness here.

21 Bobby Carpenter OLB Ohio State The Patriots rarely draft for need, but with a hole at linebacker and the versatile, instinctive Carpenter on the board, the pick makes too much sense not to be given strong consideration. Besides, with five picks in the top 105, the Patriots have plenty of opportunities to address other needs.

vick1000
04-11-2006, 02:02 PM
14) Lewis, Marcedes (TE), UCLA

Somebody is a homer.

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 02:04 PM
22 DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis The Broncos are looking to the draft to add depth at running back, though they won't necessarily take one in the first round. That said, if the NCAA's leader in career all-purpose yardage is available, they might have to consider him here. Williams averaged nearly 26 carries per game over the past two seasons, a feature the Broncos will appreciate with Tatum Bell and Ron Dayne appearing to be more situational backs than featured runners.

23 *Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State A strong defense and the running of rookie Cadillac Williams receives much of the credit for the Bucs making the playoffs last year, but the resurrection of Joey Galloway was arguably the biggest factor. His 83 receptions for 1,287 yards and 10 touchdowns topped his numbers for the previous two seasons combined. It might be asking a bit much for the 34-year-old to repeat that production in 2006. Holmes would provide an immediate upgrade in the slot and would eventually take Galloway's place as the outside vertical threat.

24 *Leonard Pope TE Georgia The Bengals have addressed needs at defensive tackle and safety via free agency but remain in the hunt for a game-changing tight end. Pope is raw and would be considered a reach by some, but in an offense as talented as this one, it isn't difficult to imagine the 6-8, 258-pounder making a positive impact immediately.

25 Chad Greenway OLB Iowa Greenway is slipping down the board a bit due to surprisingly average workout numbers, but the former Hawkeye likely won't slip past the Giants, who are still in major need of help at the position. Signing free agent LaVar Arrington would allow the team to focus on another area, perhaps even looking for depth behind Tiki Barber.

26 *Johnathan Joseph CB South Carolina The Bears will look at an offensive playmaker here, but consider cornerback to just as much a need as Charles Tillman sagged down the stretch in '05 and veteran Jerry Azumah was forced into retirement by injuries. Joseph is a spectacular talent, but the junior could be available this late because he has essentially played just one season at the D-I level after transferring in as a JUCO and losing most of the 2004 season to a broken foot.

27 *Donte Whitner SS Ohio State The Panthers drafted strong safety Thomas Davis last year with the intention of moving him to outside linebacker. Now, with Will Witherspoon moving on to the Rams, the team is carrying out its plan to move Davis, but suddenly has a hole at safety. Whitner is one the few safeties who currently carries a first-round grade.

28 DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama Even before Akin Ayodele left as a free agent, outside linebacker was a primary concern. Ryans, a heady, athletic defender, would be a suitable replacement and a good value at this point.

29 Nick Mangold C Ohio State What happens with the Jets' first pick, No. 4 overall, will have a huge impact on what they are looking to do here. They might be fundamentally unwilling to spend two first-round picks on offensive linemen, but Mangold is a good value here and would provide an immediate replacement for departed Kevin Mawae.

30 *Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota Maroney's vision and smooth running style make him a natural fit for the Colts, who are looking toward the draft to replace Edgerrin James.

31 Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston College The Seahawks feel their top remaining priority this offseason is to address their defensive backfield. That said, with only two picks on the first day due to the third-round compensation for signing Vikings restricted free agent Nate Burleson, Seattle has to stick with the best player available philosophy. The Seahawks lack depth at defensive end behind starters Grant Wistrom and Bryce Fisher and would have to consider an edge rusher like Kiwanuka if he remained on the board.

32 *LenDale White RB Southern Cal It remains to be seen just how far White could drop due to his performance, or lack thereof, during the Combine and Pro Day workouts. Regardless, there is no denying how well his size and run-after-contact production would fit in Pittsburgh. The Steelers will also strongly consider a safety here.

ROUND 2

33 Marcus McNeill OT Auburn

34 Abdul Hodge ILB Iowa

35 Joseph Addai RB LSU

36 *Ashton Youboty CB Ohio State

37 Sinorice Moss WR Miami

38 D'Qwell Jackson ILB Maryland

39 Eric Winston OT Miami

40 Jason Allen FS Tennessee

41 Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA

42 Claude Wroten DT LSU

43 *Richard Marshall CB Fresno State

44 Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma

45 Daryn Colledge OT Boise State

46 Joe Klopfenstein TE Colorado

47 Daniel Bullocks SS Nebraska

48 *Ko Simpson FS South Carolina

49 Jeremy Trueblood OT Boston College

50 SD Demetrius Williams WR Oregon

51 Devin Aromashodu WR Auburn

52 Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame

53 Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State

54 Max Jean-Gilles OG Georgia

55 Gabe Watson DT Michigan

56 Thomas Howard OLB Texas-El Paso

57 *Anthony Fasano TE Notre Dame

58 *Maurice Drew RB UCLA

59 Taitusi Lutui OG Southern Cal

60 Dominique Byrd TE Southern Cal

61 Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech

62 *John McCargo DT North Carolina State

63 Tim Jennings CB Georgia

64 *Ray Edwards DE Purdue

ROUND 3

65 Tamba Hali DE Penn State

66 Derek Hagan WR Arizona State

67 Jerious Norwood RB Mississippi State

68 Babatunde Oshinowo DT Stanford

69 Ryan O'Callaghan OT California

70 *Dee Webb CB Florida

71 *Brian Calhoun RB Wisconsin

72 Orien Harris DT Miami

73 Chris Chester C Oklahoma

74 Victor Adeyanju DE Indiana

75 *Bernard Pollard SS Purdue

76 Mark Anderson DE Alabama

77 Gerris Wilkinson ILB Georgia Tech

78 Jeremy Mincey DE Florida

79 *Devin Hester WR Miami

80 Montavious Stanley DT Louisville

81 SD Andrew Whitworth OT LSU

82 Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma

83 Brodie Croyle QB Alabama

84 Todd Watkins WR BYU

85 Jonathan Orr WR Wisconsin

86 DeMario Minter CB Georgia

87 Greg Jennings WR Western Michigan

88 *Stanley McClover DE Auburn

89 Rodrique Wright DT Texas

90 Roger McIntosh OLB Miami

91 *Danieal Manning CB Abilene Christian

92 Jason Avant WR Michigan

93 Kyle Williams DT LSU

94 *Derrick Martin CB Wyoming

95 Jonathan Scott OT Texas

96 Michael Robinson WR Penn State

97 Paul McQuistan OT Weber State

DRAFT ORDER (http://www.ourlads.com/DraftSequence.html)

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 02:09 PM
Somebody is a homer.

Best hands on any TE in the draft lacks elite speed but plays faster than his time. He is a big time talent.

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 02:24 PM
Best third round picks

1) Blackmon, Will Boston College

Great upside give him a year or two and he will be a real big time player. I like him as a wr but with his athletic ability he could also play CB.

2) Spencer, Charles (OG), Pittsburgh
He is a big time road grader ,needs to work on pass blocking skills but nobody in the draft is a better drive blocker

3) Watkins, Pat (FS), Florida State 6-5 211 4.42 41 vert 11'1" broad
He played very well at the senior bowl and had a off the chart combine. He has been lost in all the db hype he maybe the best FS in the draft.

4) Dvoracek, Dusty (DT), Oklahoma 6-3 306 I don't think he will fall this for but if he does he has the talent of a 1 st round selection . He and Nick Mangold had some battle royals at the senior bowl and he more than held his own. His big motor penetrating style will be a great asset it is his off field issues that has knocked him down this for. He scored very highly on the wonderlic and his power explosive numbers are very high.

phillychargerfan
04-11-2006, 02:27 PM
DRAFT SCOUT MOCK DRAFT


19 Tye Hill CB Clemson The Chargers have certainly tried to address the cornerback position in the past, as they employ three former first rounders there. Unfortunately, Quentin Jammer, Sammy Davis and Jamar Fletcher only snaredthree interceptions between them in 2005. Hill's explosive speed likely assures him being selected in the top 20, even if teams are wary of his less than prototypical size (5-10, 185).

Then why draft Hill, he doesn't get a lot of ints either???

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 02:45 PM
Then why draft Hill, he doesn't get a lot of ints either???

Looks like he was honoring his draft board , Hill has some big time quick he played very well at the senior bowl were he was hands down the best CB.
4.34 40 YD his cone and shuttle were out of site and word is that he plays the run very well despite his size.

4.05 cone 6.64 shuttle

With the new don't breath on the wr with in 5 yds the cb with big time quick twitch skills will get a lot of attention in the draft.

phillychargerfan
04-11-2006, 03:03 PM
Best third round picks


2) Spencer, Charles (OG), Pittsburgh
He is a big time road grader ,needs to work on pass blocking skills but nobody in the draft is a better drive blocker

3) Watkins, Pat (FS), Florida State 6-5 211 4.42 41 vert 11'1" broad
He played very well at the senior bowl and had a off the chart combine. He has been lost in all the db hype he maybe the best FS in the draft.

4) Dvoracek, Dusty (DT), Oklahoma 6-3 306 I don't think he will fall this for but if he does he has the talent of a 1 st round selection . He and Nick Mangold had some battle royals at the senior bowl and he more than held his own. His big motor penetrating style will be a great asset it is his off field issues that has knocked him down this for. He scored very highly on the wonderlic and his power explosive numbers are very high.


LOVE all 3 of these guys. Do you know what Watkins bench was??
From what I've read about Dvorak he is and has sought counciling for his problems. There was also a write up that AJ and crew spent some time with him at the senior bowl. I know his Kirwan numbers were EXCELLENT!!

phillychargerfan
04-11-2006, 03:08 PM
Looks like he was honoring his draft board , Hill has some big time quick he played very well at the senior bowl were he was hands down the best CB.
4.34 40 YD his cone and shuttle were out of site and word is that he plays the run very well despite his size.

4.05 cone 6.64 shuttle

With the new don't breath on the wr with in 5 yds the cb with big time quick twitch skills will get a lot of attention in the draft.

I agree with you about Hill's cover skills. I don't think Florence and Jammers cover skills are that bad. What makes our secondary look so bad is their inability to get ints. At 19 I would rather have Cromartie (I know he's off the board in this mock), because Cromartie has the ability to make the big play (read:int) and taking it the other way.

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 07:30 PM
I agree with you about Hill's cover skills. I don't think Florence and Jammers cover skills are that bad. What makes our secondary look so bad is their inability to get ints. At 19 I would rather have Cromartie (I know he's off the board in this mock), because Cromartie has the ability to make the big play (read:int) and taking it the other way.

Cromartie in very limited playing time as looked very good and that hurts him I think that is why a lot of folks have Hill ahead of him including me.

Upside vs demonstrated talent I think you have to go with the player who has the more complete history as for as value board. This draft is very interesting in that there are a lot of players who have great pro days but don't have real strong bodies of work or who are coming off major injuries and teams will need to be pretty sure that they can hold up to the wear and tear.

Smith tends to be cautious with major injury's as due most GM's however some will gamble if they think the upside is worth it. If Cromartie had a full season with out injury and had played as projected he would be a top 15 player , now where he fits along with Allen and a few others is the big question.

phillychargerfan
04-11-2006, 07:49 PM
speaking of injuries did you see this:

Per ESPN insider:

Jason Allen has since failed at least two physicals administered privately by NFL teams. With that news spreading like wildfire, Allen's stock is declining again, and it wouldn't be surprising to see the 6-foot-1, 209-pound defensive back slip to the middle of the second round -- or even beyond that point.

OG/OT Kevin Boothe (Cornell)I have learned from two separate teams, however, that Boothe will not pass their physical examinations because of degenerative injury concerns. At one point, Boothe was viewed as a potential third-round prospect. Given his shaky health status, teams are unlikely to take a chance on the him before Round 5

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 07:52 PM
speaking of injuries did you see this:

Per ESPN insider:

Jason Allen has since failed at least two physicals administered privately by NFL teams. With that news spreading like wildfire, Allen's stock is declining again, and it wouldn't be surprising to see the 6-foot-1, 209-pound defensive back slip to the middle of the second round -- or even beyond that point.

OG/OT Kevin Boothe (Cornell)I have learned from two separate teams, however, that Boothe will not pass their physical examinations because of degenerative injury concerns. At one point, Boothe was viewed as a potential third-round prospect. Given his shaky health status, teams are unlikely to take a chance on the him before Round 5

I have heard rumors but had not seen anything with substance. Did they say which teams?

phillychargerfan
04-11-2006, 07:54 PM
I have heard rumors but had not seen anything with substance. Did they say which teams?

No, but I would assume that one of the teams would be the Chargers. Didn't Allen already come in for a visit?? Unless AJ is trying to pull a D.Marino on the league.

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 08:01 PM
Scouts Inc.'s Top 32
RANK NAME POS CLASS SCHOOL PREV
1. Reggie Bush RB JR USC 1
2. Mario Williams DE JR N.C. State 2
3. D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT SR Virginia 4
4. Matt Leinart QB SR USC 3
5. A.J. Hawk OLB SR Ohio State 5
6. Vince Young QB JR Texas 9
7. Vernon Davis TE JR Maryland 6
8. Michael Huff DB SR Texas 7
9. Brodrick Bunkley DT SR Florida State 11
10. Winston Justice OT JR USC 8
11. Haloti Ngata DT JR Oregon 10
12. Ernie Sims OLB JR Florida State 14
13. Jay Cutler QB SR Vanderbilt 12
14. Jimmy Williams DC SR Virginia Tech 19
15. Kamerion Wimbley DE SR Florida State 24
16. Tye Hill DC SR Clemson 17
17. Chad Jackson WR JR Florida 15
18. DeAngelo Williams RB SR Memphis 13
19. Santonio Holmes WR JR Ohio State 16
20. Laurence Maroney RB JR Minnesota 18
21. Jonathan Joseph DC JR South Carolina 21
22. Chad Greenway OLB SR Iowa 20
23. Antonio Cromartie DC JR Florida State 26
24. LenDale White RB JR USC 25
25. Manny Lawson DE JR NC State 27
26. Donte Whitner DS JR Ohio State 31
27. Mathias Kiwanuka DE SR Boston College 22
28. Sinorice Moss WR SR Miami-Fla. 32
29. Nick Mangold OC SR Ohio State 28
30. Ashton Youboty DC JR Ohio State 23
31. Kelly Jennings DC SR Miami-Fla. NR
32. Bobby Carpenter OLB SR Ohio State NR


By Todd McShay
Scouts Inc.

said this

Broncos not looking up
Despite much speculation, do not expect the Broncos to package their two first-round selections in an attempt to move into the top five. Coach Mike Shanahan and general manager Ted Sundquist agree the team's window to make a Super Bowl run is closing rapidly and the wiser move is to find two players who can contribute immediately rather than packaging the picks for one elite, but high-priced prospect.
As of right now, the game plan is to use the 15th overall selection on the best available wide receiver, running back or tight end prospect, then address one of the other two remaining needs with the best available prospect still on the board at pick No. 22. If Denver selects a running back or wide receiver with its initial first-round pick, it will strongly consider offers to trade out of the 22nd spot. Don't be surprised if the Broncos move out of the first round completely with that second pick, knowing they can get an impact player from a deep class of tight ends. Two tight ends they are targeting in that scenario are Notre Dame's Anthony Fasano and Colorado's Joe Klopfenstein.


Ravens in no rush
The Ravens plan to select a quarterback on Day 1 of the draft, just not in the first round. The team knows Leinart and Young will be long gone by the time it drafts at No. 13, and Baltimore doesn't view Cutler as a significant improvement over existing starter Kyle Boller.
It's no secret the Ravens are holding out hope of landing QB Steve McNair, who is in the midst of a bitter contract battle with the Titans' front office. Regardless, the Ravens are prepared to either use their second-round selection on a quarterback, such as Alabama's Brodie Croyle, or deal some of their eight Day 2 picks to reacquire a third-round pick to use on a developmental third quarterback.

As for the 13th overall selection, the Ravens are not as high on USC OT Winston Justice as originally thought. The team has its sights set on Texas' Michael Huff, Florida State DT Brodrick Bunkley, Oregon DT Haloti Ngata and Florida State OLB Ernie Sims -- in that order. General manager Ozzie Newsome also will entertain trade offers.


News and notes
• Rather than bolting to the NFL a year early, Tennessee DB Jason Allen returned to school for his senior season in 2005 hoping to solidify a spot in the top half of the first round of this year's draft. A tweener cornerback/free safety prospect, Allen was enjoying a successful season at cornerback before suffering a season-ending dislocated hip in Game 5 versus Georgia.
As expected, his stock immediately plummeted because of concerns about his durability. Allen was able to ease some of those concerns when he showed up healthy at the scouting combine and ran both his 40-yard dash attempts in the low 4.4-second range. At that point, NFL teams reportedly were viewing him as a first-round prospect again.

However, Allen has since failed at least two physicals administered privately by NFL teams. With that news spreading like wildfire, Allen's stock is declining again, and it wouldn't be surprising to see the 6-foot-1, 209-pound defensive back slip to the middle of the second round -- or even beyond that point.

• OG/OT Kevin Boothe (Cornell) has been considered one of the top small-school prospects in the 2006 draft class since the start of the 2005 college football season. Unfortunately for Boothe, his stock has begun to plummet at the worst possible time. Boothe always has carried red flags regarding his durability, as he suffered multiple injuries throughout his collegiate career (thumb, right ankle, broken bones in right and left hands), but none of the injuries was considered a long-term concern.

I have learned from two separate teams, however, that Boothe will not pass their physical examinations because of degenerative injury concerns. At one point, Boothe was viewed as a potential third-round prospect. Given his shaky health status, teams are unlikely to take a chance on the him before Round 5.

Pretty amazing that just weeks before the draft he all of a sudden fails a physical. One thing to keep in mind some of these physicals are highy subjective. Allen did all the drills at the combine and killed them , smells a bit fishy to me.

BoltsaremyGod
04-11-2006, 08:22 PM
No, but I would assume that one of the teams would be the Chargers. Didn't Allen already come in for a visit?? Unless AJ is trying to pull a D.Marino on the league.


Vols football: Allen back on road to NFL

By ELIZABETH A. DAVIS
The Associated Press


KNOXVILLE - Former Tennessee defensive back Jason Allen believes he has a chance to be a first-round draft pick, as predicted before a hip injury prematurely ended his senior year.
Allen and several other former players, including running back Gerald Riggs, defensive ends Parys Haralson and Jason Hall and offensive guard Rob Smith, worked out in front of NFL scouts at the university on Wednesday hoping to improve their stock before the draft on April 29.
Allen injured his left hip on Oct. 8 in the loss to Georgia. He said it came out of the joint and went back in when he was rolled over by Georgia's Leonard Pope during a tackle. He was on crutches until a week before Christmas and started running the second week of January.
"I think I'm a top 10 talent. Before the injury they had me top 10. I think still I'm back in the same ranks," he said after the workout. "They're saying first round. I could be the first DB off the board. You never know. All you need is a team to really fall in love with you."
Allen said he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.39 seconds at the NFL scouting combine in February. Since then, his agent has been busy taking calls from NFL teams.
"Everybody was calling setting up visits wanting me to work out again and see me again," he said. "It's been kind of crazy."
He said he has visits scheduled with San Francisco, San Diego, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and the New York Jets.
A cornerback and co-captain last season, Allen returned for his final year with big expectations for the team and hopes of playing in the NFL.
Allen led the team in tackles with 33 going in the first four games of the season, and he had two more before his injury in the second quarter against Georgia.
In 2004, Allen moved to safety from cornerback as the only returning starter in the secondary and led the Southeastern Conference with 123 tackles. He was named to AP's third All-America team.
On Wednesday, Allen participated in several defensive back drills, hoping to show his hips are back to normal.
Allen went to the Senior Bowl but did not play. He called the event his "pre-coming out party" because he was walking by then.
"A lot of teams thought I was in crutches at that time," Allen said. Allen says he doesn't second-guess his decision to return to Tennessee for his senior year. "I think it's a blessing in disguise. I didn't ask God why I had to be injured. It's just a process to test my faith," he said.

There is the list of teams he was going to visit in bold. He also visited with the Viking today. Sounds as if the hip is good to work out with but not good enough to play football with?

phillychargerfan
04-11-2006, 08:28 PM
Vols football: Allen back on road to NFL

By ELIZABETH A. DAVIS
The Associated Press


KNOXVILLE - Former Tennessee defensive back Jason Allen believes he has a chance to be a first-round draft pick, as predicted before a hip injury prematurely ended his senior year.
Allen and several other former players, including running back Gerald Riggs, defensive ends Parys Haralson and Jason Hall and offensive guard Rob Smith, worked out in front of NFL scouts at the university on Wednesday hoping to improve their stock before the draft on April 29.
http://gcirm.jacksonsun.com/RealMedia/ads/Creatives/OasDefault/SymphonyON9054nwa/300x250_ArturoSandoval.gif (http://gcirm.jacksonsun.com/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/news.jacksonsun.com/stories/sports/992102824/ArticleFlex_1/OasDefault/SymphonyON9054nwa/300x250_ArturoSandoval.gif/34386337313934303434336337313930) Allen injured his left hip on Oct. 8 in the loss to Georgia. He said it came out of the joint and went back in when he was rolled over by Georgia's Leonard Pope during a tackle. He was on crutches until a week before Christmas and started running the second week of January.
"I think I'm a top 10 talent. Before the injury they had me top 10. I think still I'm back in the same ranks," he said after the workout. "They're saying first round. I could be the first DB off the board. You never know. All you need is a team to really fall in love with you."
Allen said he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.39 seconds at the NFL scouting combine in February. Since then, his agent has been busy taking calls from NFL teams.
"Everybody was calling setting up visits wanting me to work out again and see me again," he said. "It's been kind of crazy."
He said he has visits scheduled with San Francisco, San Diego, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and the New York Jets.
A cornerback and co-captain last season, Allen returned for his final year with big expectations for the team and hopes of playing in the NFL.
Allen led the team in tackles with 33 going in the first four games of the season, and he had two more before his injury in the second quarter against Georgia.
In 2004, Allen moved to safety from cornerback as the only returning starter in the secondary and led the Southeastern Conference with 123 tackles. He was named to AP's third All-America team.
On Wednesday, Allen participated in several defensive back drills, hoping to show his hips are back to normal.
Allen went to the Senior Bowl but did not play. He called the event his "pre-coming out party" because he was walking by then.
"A lot of teams thought I was in crutches at that time," Allen said. Allen says he doesn't second-guess his decision to return to Tennessee for his senior year. "I think it's a blessing in disguise. I didn't ask God why I had to be injured. It's just a process to test my faith," he said.

There is the list of teams he was going to visit in bold. He also visited with the Viking today. Sounds as if the hip is good to work out with but not good enough to play football with?

I remember reading that a couple of weeks ago. Unless some of the quotes were recycled. Any date on the article?

I do agree with RMANCIL, it smells fishy.

BoltsaremyGod
04-11-2006, 08:43 PM
I remember reading that a couple of weeks ago. Unless some of the quotes were recycled. Any date on the article?

I do agree with RMANCIL, it smells fishy.

Yeah, it was from the end of March. Maybe it is some weird hip thing where you have full range of movement and can workout, but it can not take the stress of NFL contact.

RMANCIL
04-11-2006, 09:16 PM
2005 Scouting - San Diego roster ratings

1 LaDainian Tomlinson RB SD -- 96 ... Blue chipsteady
2 Antonio Gates TE SD -- 89 .. Blue Chip steady upswing
3 Jamal Williams DT SD -- 82 ..Blue Chip steady
4 Shawne Merriman LB SD 80..Blue Chip major upswing
5 Luis Castillo DE SD 78..RED/BLUE major upswing
6 Mike Scifres P SD -- 76 RED/BLUE Major upswing
7 Lorenzo Neal RB SD A 75 Red /Blue holding
5 Quentin Jammer CB SD -- 73 ..Red Chip improving
6 Keenan McCardell WR SD A 73 ...Red Chip declining
7 Steve Foley LB SD -- 73 Red chip declining
8 Donnie Edwards SD 71 Red declining
9 Randall Godfrey LB SD AD 70 RED declining
10 Mike Goff OG SD -- 71 RED steady
11 Jacques Cesaire DE SD -- 70 RED improving
12 Eric Parker WR SD -- 70 red improving
13 Nick Hardwick C SD -- 70 red improving
14 Nate Kaeding K SD -- 70 red improving
15 Roman Oben OT SD A 70 red declining
16 Igor Olshansky DE SD -- 70 red upswing
17 13 Shaun Phillips LB SD -- 69 red improving
18 Drayton Florence CB SD -- 69 red improving
19 Marlon McCree S SD -- 69 red improving
20 Shane Olivea OT SD -- 69 red improving
21 Michael Turner RB SD Y 69 red improving
22 Aaron Shea TE SD D 68 red steady
23 Bhawoh Jue S SD -- 68 red improving
24 Jamar Fletcher CB SD -- 68 red improving
25 Terrence Kiel S SD -- 67 Red.. injury concern improving
26 Clinton Hart S SD -- 66 red improving
28 David Binn C SD -- 65 ST RED
29 Matt Wilhelm LB SD -- 64RED/BLACK UPSWING
29 Stephen Cooper LB SD -- 63 RED/BLACK UPSWING
30 A.J. Feeley QB SD -- 63 RED/BLACK Declining
31 Philip Rivers QB SD Y 63 red/ BLACK improving
32 Harris, Marques LB 63 RED /BLACK Improving
33 Kassim Osgood WR SD -- 61 Black ST talent
34 Hanik Milligan S SD -- 60 black steady ST TALENT
35 Carlos Polk LB SD -- 60 black declining ST TALENT
36 Andrew Pinnock RB/FBSD Y 60 Black upswing 2 position player
37 Leander Jordan OT SD -- 59 BLACK steady
38 Darren Sproles RB SD 58 ST Black improving
39 Ryan Krause TE SD--57 black injured
40 Vincent Jackson WR SD 57 black/red pot injury developmental
41 Drew Haddad WR SD B 56 black
42 David Brandt C SD -- 53 black
43 Ben Johnson OT SD -- 50 black
44 Scott Mruczkowski C SD R 30 developmental
45 Wes Sims OG SD R 30 developmental
46 Floyd, Malcom WR 30 developmental
47 Robinson, Derreck DE DEVELOPMENTAL
48 Bingham, Ryon DT DEVELOPMENTAL
Dielman, Kris OG 67 red upswing oops I missed him

When looking at a draft it is very important to take a strong look at the roster here is mine.

Blue = Pro bowl type player
Red = N.F.L. starter
Black = back up
Developmental is a player who is on the bubble

JoeMcRugby
04-11-2006, 10:21 PM
RMANCIL's article, from Todd McShay from Scouts Inc, was dated today (April 11, 2006):


Rather than bolting to the NFL a year early, Tennessee DB Jason Allen returned to school for his senior season in 2005 hoping to solidify a spot in the top half of the first round of this year's draft. A tweener cornerback/free safety prospect, Allen was enjoying a successful season at cornerback before suffering a season-ending dislocated hip in Game 5 versus Georgia.

As expected, his stock immediately plummeted because of concerns about his durability. Allen was able to ease some of those concerns when he showed up healthy at the scouting combine and ran both his 40-yard dash attempts in the low 4.4-second range. At that point, NFL teams reportedly were viewing him as a first-round prospect again.

However, Allen has since failed at least two physicals administered privately by NFL teams. With that news spreading like wildfire, Allen's stock is declining again, and it wouldn't be surprising to see the 6-foot-1, 209-pound defensive back slip to the middle of the second round -- or even beyond that point.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2405261

nflphd
04-11-2006, 11:08 PM
21) New England Patriots Jason Allen DB Tennessee
great combine shoots him up


Looks like Jason Allen is falling on draft boards possibly even below the second round.

ESPN Insider News and notes

• Rather than bolting to the NFL a year early, Tennessee DB Jason Allen returned to school for his senior season in 2005 hoping to solidify a spot in the top half of the first round of this year's draft. A tweener cornerback/free safety prospect, Allen was enjoying a successful season at cornerback before suffering a season-ending dislocated hip in Game 5 versus Georgia. As expected, his stock immediately plummeted because of concerns about his durability. Allen was able to ease some of those concerns when he showed up healthy at the scouting combine and ran both his 40-yard dash attempts in the low 4.4-second range. At that point, NFL teams reportedly were viewing him as a first-round prospect again.
However, Allen has since failed at least two physicals administered privately by NFL teams. With that news spreading like wildfire, Allen's stock is declining again, and it wouldn't be surprising to see the 6-foot-1, 209-pound defensive back slip to the middle of the second round -- or even beyond that point.

Chargeroo
04-12-2006, 07:54 AM
However, Allen has since failed at least two physicals administered privately by NFL teams.Teams have been known to spread rumors about players they like just to get other teams to pass on them. It could be so but it could be BS. If nothing else, the rumor will make teams give him a good physical if they're interested in him.

RMANCIL
04-12-2006, 08:57 AM
I must say I am a bit shocked that I don't have any River's fans attacking me based on the roster rating.

Glad to see everyone agrees with my take.:D

Not to often you can get everyone to agree about a entire roster rating.

rammerjammer
04-12-2006, 09:09 AM
I must say I am a bit shocked that I don't have any River's fans attacking me based on the roster rating.

Glad to see everyone agrees with my take.:D

Not to often you can get everyone to agree about a entire roster rating.

Just based on what you said about Rivers, I think that is about right. First of all, it says 2005, and based on 2005 what else can you say? He hasn't played enough in the NFL for you to really evaluate him more according to what I am assuming are your areas of grading (i.e., pro bowler, starter, etc.). I do hope to see his rating higher this time next year, howerver. :Beer:

RMANCIL
04-12-2006, 05:17 PM
Looks like we just landed WR Woods from SF for CB Davis.

That makes CB the selection round one unless Justice or Ferguson fall to us.

Woods was a great WR in College and got lost in S.F. I like him a lot.
Super hands.

Chargeroo
04-12-2006, 09:14 PM
Not much difference but a little -

I'd give Williams about an 85, Edwards dropped a long way last year - make him a 61, Carlos Polk 45, Igor gets a 72 from me.

RMANCIL
04-13-2006, 10:01 AM
Injuries haven't slowed Tennessee's Allen
By Mel Kiper Jr.
Special to ESPN.com

There are four new players on this week's Top 25 Big Board, and all four of them are defensive backs: Ohio State's Donte Whitner, South Carolina's Johnathan Joseph, Tennessee's Jason Allen and Fresno State's Richard Marshall.

Allen could very well have been a top-10 pick before suffering a season-ending hip injury as a senior. Despite missing the last six games of 2005, Allen has made a strong comeback during his rehabilitation, and right now I am projecting him to go 18th overall to the Dallas Cowboys.

While Allen played in 2005, Cromartie has not played since 2004. He missed all of last season with a knee injury, but that hasn't hurt his draft stock. Cromartie had tremendous individual workouts and has incredible size for a corner back at 6-foot-2, 210 pounds. I have Cromartie going to Tampa Bay with the 23rd pick.

My entire Big Board:




1. Reggie Bush, USC (6-0, 200, Junior) | previous rank: same
Bush will give the team that drafts him a multifaceted offensive attack. He's dangerous from the backfield, as a slot receiver and in the return game.


2. Mario Williams, DE, NC State (6-7, 285, Junior) | previous rank: 3
A dominant physical presence who had some great individual performances at the end of last season. Williams is a big, strong pro-type defensive end and has all the skills NFL coaches are looking for as an every-down player.


3. Matt Leinart, QB, USC (6-4, 225) | previous rank: 2
His arm strength has improved since last season, and he threw the ball even better in 2005. Leinart didn't repeated as the Heisman Trophy winner, but he makes plays when he has to. He should remain near the very top of the draft board.


4. Vince Young, QB, Texas (6-5, 233, Junior) | previous rank: 5
Young's stock has risen considerably since an amazing performance in the Rose Bowl. He's big, strong and exceptionally fast. The New Orleans Saints will have to consider taking him as the No. 2 pick in the draft.


5. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia (6-5½, 295) | previous rank: 4
The top offensive lineman in this draft, Ferguson will be an ideal left tackle in the NFL.


6. A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State (6-1½, 242) | previous rank: 7
The top defensive player in the senior class. An instinctive player and a sure tackler, he knows which angles to take to the ball and finds his way through traffic. Hawk should be able to help out a team right away.


7. Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland (6-3, 250, Junior) | previous rank: 8
Physically gifted athlete who plays the tight end like a wide receiver. Davis is a phenomenal pass catcher and is a better prospect than when Kellen Winslow came out of Miami.


8. Michael Huff, DB, Texas (6-1, 205) | previous rank: 6
Athletic and instinctive, he has shown the versatility to play cornerback or safety at the next level.


9. Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State, (6-3, 306) | previous rank: 17
He was the story of the combine on the defensive side of the ball. He ran 4.99 in the 40-yard dash and bench pressed 225 pounds 44 times. He has a wide upper body and is quick on his feet. He also has a great attitude, and based on his workouts, he's guaranteed to be a first-round pick.


10. Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (6-5, 338, Junior) | previous rank: same
Ngata will be more than a defensive tackle who just clogs the interior because his strength and athleticism will allow him to penetrate and make plays behind the line of scrimmage.


11. Kamerion Wimbley, DE, Florida State (6-4, 248) | previous rank: 23
He might be an outside linebacker in the right scheme. Wimbley ran a 4.63, which was a very good time, and had a vertical leap of 38½ inches.


12. Chad Jackson, Florida, WR (6-1, 213, Junior) | previous rank: 24
His times in the 40-yard dash were 4.32 and 4.37. Jackson caught the ball well and stood out among the receivers in Indianapolis. He's done everything the right way since the season ended and has moved himself into that first-round mix.


13. Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State (5-10, 185, Junior) | previous rank: 16
He is very tough and is willing to make catches in traffic. Holmes is a very good route runner and has a good burst out of his break. He doesn't have the greatest size, but toughness counts. He should be the first wide receiver taken off the board.


14. Winston Justice, T, USC (6-6, 311, Junior) | previous rank: 22
A great athlete and very gifted, Justice is as good as any right tackle in the country at getting down field beyond the defensive line. He'll be able to play either tackle positions in the NFL.


15. DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis (5-9, 215) | previous rank: 9
An exceptional running back, especially since he did not play behind one of the best offensive lines. Could very well be a top-10 pick for a team that needs a running back who can do it all.


16. Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa (6-2½, 244) | previous rank: 20
He was one of the nation's top-flight linebackers the past two years. A smart player with great physical skills, Greenway has a nose for the ball. He'll help out a team right away.


17. Donte Whitner, S, Ohio St. (5-11, 205, Junior) | previous rank: unranked
He has moved up the draft board fast since the season ended. Whitner is versatile enough to play either cornerback or safety.


18. Tye Hill, CB, Clemson (5-9½, 181) | previous rank: same
Hill is not especially big, but he has long arms, phenomenal speed and great confidence. He had one of the better weeks at the Senior Bowl, which should propel him into the first round.


19. Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State (6-0, 200, Junior) | previous rank: 14
Sims finished fourth on FSU with 70 tackles this season. He's an extremely fast 'backer who's used to being the focus of opposing offenses' game plans.


20. Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt (6-3¼, 227) | previous rank: 15
He's the next best QB in the senior class behind Leinart. Cutler has gone from being a potential first-round pick to possibly going in the top 10.


21. Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech (6-2½, 207) | previous rank: 12
Williams gave the Hokies a shutdown cornerback who could lock up the opposition's top receiver. He eliminates one side of the field. A former safety who moved to corner before the 2004 season.


22. Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina (5-11, 187, Junior) | previous rank: unranked
He is a true cornerback and one of the fastest players in the draft. A team like San Diego would be an ideal fit for Joseph.

RMANCIL
04-13-2006, 10:01 AM
23. Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota (5-11, 205, Junior) | previous rank: 13
A very good, natural runner who is smooth and patient. Maroney allowed his blocks to develop and then showed a good burst of speed through openings. He has good vision and the ability to shift gears quickly.


24. Jason Allen, S, Tennessee (6-2, 202) | previous rank: unranked
Allen was one of the top seniors in 2005 before his season ended with a hip injury. However, he has battled back from injury and his versatility (he can also play cornerback) has propelled him into the first-round mix.


25. Richard Marshall, CB, Fresno State (5-11, 190, Junior) | previous rank: unranked
Also a true cover corner, Marshall projects as a first-round pick. He led the Bulldogs in solo tackles (57), interceptions (three) and pass break-ups (11).


Dropped
LenDale White, RB, USC (6-2, 235, Junior) | previous rank: 11
He's big, strong and deceptively fast with a nose for the end zone. White will be a running back at the next level who can carry the ball 20-25 times a game.


Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State (6-3, 267) | previous rank: 19
He's the best senior defensive end in this draft. Hali's a natural pass-rusher who play with a lot of intensity and never takes a play off.


Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State (6-1, 188, Junior) | previous rank: 21
The first-team All-Big Ten selection has very good cover skills and excellent on-field intelligence.


Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia (6-7, 250, Junior) | previous rank: 25
He's an absolutely huge target and is a mismatch every time he's on the field. Georgia relied heavily on Pope in the passing game because he is a rare talent for a player of his size.


Mel's Top 5 Juniors
Quarterbacks
1. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame
2. Drew Stanton, Michigan State
3. Troy Smith, Ohio State
4. Jordan Palmer, UTEP
5. John Beck, BYU



Running Backs
1. Michael Bush, Louisville
2. Kenny Irons, Auburn
3. Tony Hunt, Penn State
4. Brian Leonard, Rutgers
5. Courtney Lewis, Texas A&M
5a. Kenneth Darby, Alabama


Wide Receivers
1. Jason Hill, Washington State
2. Jarrett Hicks, Texas Tech
3. Courtney Taylor, Auburn
4. Jeff Samardzija, Notre Dame
5. Steve Smith, USC
5a. Joel Filani, Texas Tech


Tight Ends
1. Clark Harris, Rutgers
2. Martrez Milner, Georgia
3. Matt Spaeth, Minnesota
4. Ben Patrick, Delaware
5. Joe Newton, Oregon State


Offensive Linemen
1. Joe Thomas, Wisconsin
2. Levi Brown, Penn State
3. Justin Blalock, Texas
4. Kyle Young, Fresno State
5. Doug Free, Northern Illinois

Defensive Linemen
1. Gaines Adams, Clemson
2. Adam Carriker, Nebraska
3. Kareem Brown, Miami
4. Quentin Moses, Georgia
5a. LaMarr Woodley, Michigan
5b. Victor Abiamiri, Notre Dame
5c. Mkristo Bruce, Washington State


Linebackers
1. Paul Posluszny, Penn State
2. Patrick Willis, Mississippi
3. Ahmad Brooks, Virginia
4. Oscar Lua, USC
5. Rufus Alexander, Oklahoma
5a. Prescott Burgess, Michigan
5b. H.B. Blades, Pittsburgh
5c. Anthony Waters, Clemson


Defensive Backs
1. LaRon Landry, LSU
2. Brandon Meriweather, Miami
3. Michael Griffin, Texas
4. Eric Weddle, Utah
5. John Talley, Duke

Fresno State's Richard Marshall is moving up big time he has some great combine numbers but he does not play as fast as Hill.

Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia talent wise may still be the best DB in the draft however his mental make up and poor interviews have hurt him.

I don't know if the Bolts have interviewd him and what the result may have been.

It looks like the Chargers will take a CB if Justice does not fall to them and if we don't see a trade. It is interesting that Winston from Miami was in for a interview.

He has great feet however he sure failed to impress me with his play still he is the one wild card on the OT front. Winston has a better work habit than McNeil and I think the leg injury is less a concern than McNeils spine.

I like Whitworth over both and Whit is picking up steam I see where several scouts have him over McNeil now.

Still a lot of talk about the Saints and them moving down however it is the Jets that are most often the trading partner mentioned and I just don't think the Jets are going to take a QB now.

The Saints are afraid to move to for due to the fact that they want either Ferguson or DE Williams and as a result they must limit how for down they go.

Rumor is that the Packers may take a QB if a top one is on the board , I sure don't get that but it hinges on the new head coach not being a fan of Aaron Rodgers.

I thought that they were very lucky he fell to them last season. The 49'ers went to the last moment trying to choose between him and Alex Smith.
Funny how after just one season they are even talking about drafting another QB shows a problem either with his work habits or with their scouting department.

Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina (5-11, 187, Junior) | previous rank: unranked
He is a true cornerback and one of the fastest players in the draft. A team like San Diego would be an ideal fit for Joseph.

Has anyone seen him?

I have read a little on him and he sounds like a player but he has very limited PT.

Antonio Cromartie , Shamrocks man love has the size , speed numbers to get anyones attention he has a little less playing time but overall he has such eye popping numbers you have to wonder.

Funny how Allen makes Kipers board while the rumor is running wild that he failed a couple of team physicals and that as a result his stock was dropping.



The entire story (http://http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?id=2406105&CMP=ILC-INHEAD)

RMANCIL
04-13-2006, 10:13 AM
This supply can't cover the demand (http://http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=82256)

Posted: April 12, 2006


What the paczki has been to Fat Tuesday, the cornerback has become to draft day. It might be that neither is the wisest indulgence, but discipline tends to be disregarded when the aroma of either is in the air.

Last year, 19 cornerbacks were chosen on the first day of the draft -- more than any other position. The Broncos alone chose three. The Raiders and Colts took two apiece. Five fewer wide receivers than corners were chosen in the first three rounds, even though there were more quality receivers in the draft.

Some of the corners selected were shrimps, such as 5-8 Scott Starks, who was taken by the Jaguars. Some came from small schools, such as Ron Bartell, who went from Howard to the Rams. Some were considered problem children, such as Darrent Williams, who was picked by the Broncos.


But all played corner, which meant NFL teams were more willing to turn a blind eye than rely on an eagle eye.

Which brings us to the 29th of this month. Teams that need corners are going to have to strike early, and they're probably going to have to take them ahead of better players at other positions. Teams might have to take a player projected to be a third corner over a player projected to be a second receiver or a starting interior lineman.

"You never turn a corner down if you feel it's a guy who has ability to help you on special teams and can help you on nickel or dime," Broncos coach Mike Shanahan says. "Those guys are hard to get."

Waiting until the fourth round to take one is like putting off your Christmas shopping until December 24. "The way they went last year, you have to believe it will be tough to get one the second day," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome says. "You have to get one in the second or third round, or maybe if you're lucky the top of the fourth."

Based on my discussions with scouts and general managers, as many as 22 corners could be chosen on the first day this year, though not all of them have Day 1 ability. Penn State's Alan Zemaitis is almost a lock to go on the first day even after running a 4.62 in the 40-yard dash on a fast track and vertical jumping only 30 inches. Will Blackmon of Boston College was switched to wide receiver as a senior, but he still could be selected as a cornerback on Day 1. Antonio Cromartie probably will go in the first round even though he sat out all of last year with a torn ACL and started only one game at Florida State. David Pittman played at some place called Northwestern State, but that probably won't prevent him from going in the second or third round.

A run on corners is expected to begin midway through the first round, and as many as nine could be taken by early in the second. "Once one or two go, people get panicky about getting one," Cleveland general manager Phil Savage says.

No matter how many corners a team has, it could always use another. Shanahan says he would consider drafting another this year even after adding Darrent Williams, Dominique Foxworth and Karl Paymah last year to a group that includes Pro Bowl selection Champ Bailey.

With the way offenses have evolved, fourth, fifth and even sixth corners can play critical roles. "When we played Indy two years ago in the playoffs and didn't have the depth we wanted at cornerback, we got embarrassed," Shanahan says. "So our goal last year was to add a few more so that wouldn't happen again."

The beauty of drafting corners is even if they aren't needed on defense immediately, they usually can play significant roles on special teams because they typically can run and know how to tackle.

What each team must ask itself on draft day is this: Is it worse to reach for a cornerback or walk away without one?

Senior writer Dan Pompei covers the NFL for Sporting News. E-mail him at pompei@sportingnews.com.

Shamrock
04-13-2006, 10:18 AM
[COLOR="Blue"]Fresno State's Richard Marshall is moving up big time he has some great combine numbers but he does not play as fast as Hill.



Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina (5-11, 187, Junior) | previous rank: unranked
He is a true cornerback and one of the fastest players in the draft. A team like San Diego would be an ideal fit for Joseph.

Has anyone seen him?




Antonio Cromartie , Shamrocks man love has the size , speed numbers to get anyones attention has a little less playing time but overall as such eye popping numbers you have to wonder.




Fresno State's Marshall: Take this from a Bulldog alum .... I have no interest in him for the Chargers, especially in the 1st or 2nd round. He's got the hype from having made a few big plays, but I've also seen WR's run right past him. I didn't think he was very physical.

S. Carolina's Joseph: I saw S. Caro's bowl game, and I don't remember him. Two guys stood out on their defense, and that was Ko Simpson and DE/OLB Orus Lambert. Otherwise, I don't remember anyone that was impressive.

Cromartie: He has the size, speed AND he made big plays in his limited action. Is he fully recovered from his injury? I don't know. But if he is, he's a playmaker, and we desperately need that in our defensive backfield. He's not the "safe" pick, but he could be a potential superstar.

RMANCIL
04-13-2006, 11:12 AM
Charger watch list for 1 st round selection 2006
Players who have a chance to be on the board at 19 # and who fill a need

1) Winston Justice, T, USC (6-6, 311, Junior)

2) Tye Hill, CB, Clemson (5-9½, 181)

3) Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech (6-2½, 207)

4) Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa (6-2½, 244)

5) Kamerion Wimbley, DE-LB, Florida State (6-4, 248)

6) Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State (6-0, 200, Junior)

7) Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina (5-11, 187, Junior)

8) Lawson, Manny (OLB), North Carolina State ( 6-6 241 )

9) Allen, Jason (FS -CB), Tennessee 1 6-1 209

10) Cromartie, *Antonio (CB), Florida State 1 6-2 208

SanDiegoRon
04-13-2006, 11:17 AM
Charger watch list for 1 st round selection 2006
Players who have a chance to be on the board at 19 # and who fill a need


:mad: are you using my Value Chart.... :D

SanDiegoRon
04-13-2006, 11:19 AM
Fresno State's Marshall: Take this from a Bulldog alum .... I have no interest in him for the Chargers, especially in the 1st or 2nd round.

Belicheck is best buds with Pat Hill - he'll take him...

RMANCIL
04-13-2006, 12:07 PM
:mad: are you using my Value Chart.... :D

I could not open it. What can I say great minds think a like

Chargeroo
04-13-2006, 01:01 PM
I could not open it. What can I say great minds think a like
It's the Ron connection. :)

Reading Mel's stuff. I still don't like guys that "move up the chart" after the season ends. If a guy didn't attract a lot of attention during the season but leaps from the fourth round to the first round after the Combine - I just don't feel good about that. Some guys run better in shorts and catch everything that's near them when they don't have to think about being nailed by a hard hitting D-back. It just seems like a mistake to put too much stock in these ratings.Go by what you saw on the field.

SanDiegoRon
04-13-2006, 02:25 PM
Hey Shammy, this is one of "your boys" isn't it... :D

NFL | Police and courts: S. Paxson
Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:12:12 -0700

The Associated Press reports a sexual assault charge against former Penn State DL Scott Paxson was dismissed by a judge Thursday, April 13. Centre County, Pa. Judge Bradley Lunsford said Paxson could be tried on two lesser counts, aggravated indecent assault and indecent assault, in connection with an encounter between him and a woman at his campus apartment in December 2004. Paxson played in the Hula Bowl in January and has aspirations for an NFL career.

RMANCIL
04-13-2006, 05:56 PM
MRI reveals USC's White has torn hamstring (http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2407977)

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com



The NFL draft's lone highly regarded "big" back may be an even bigger gamble now for any team that selects LenDale White, but at least scouts know the other half of the stellar Southern California tailback tandem had a legitimate reason for not participating in the school's recent pro day auditions.


An MRI examination has revealed that White, whose stock has fallen because of his inability to work out for scouts, has a right hamstring tear that will sideline him for about another month and preclude him from running. That means any team selecting White will do so without the benefit of a 40-yard time, typically an important component of the draft evaluation puzzle.


White's representatives on Thursday evening confirmed the MRI results, which were initially reported by the Denver Post.


"The problem LenDale faced was that he knew something wasn't right [with his hamstring]," said agent Eugene Parker, "but there was still pressure to try to run. But had he run just to satisfy people and torn the thing up again, then things would have been even worse than they are now."


How bad things are for White, who bypassed his final season of college eligibility to enter the draft and was projected as a high first-round selection, remains to be seen. Certainly it is a problem for White and for the several teams that coveted him as a first-rounder. Those teams viewed White as the lone power back with a first-round grade.


While the MRI result vindicates White, who told ESPN.com two weeks ago that he initially injured the hamstring while performing a Cybex test at the league scouting combine in late February, it still leaves scouts with an incomplete assessment of the former Trojans star.


Most teams are reluctant to invest millions of dollars in a player who has not been fully evaluated. Of course, scouts also contend that the true measure of a prospect's ability and potential at the NFL level is his body of work on the field in college and not how well he performs in predraft workouts that occur in shorts and T-shirts.


Dr. Randall Eldridge, a Denver-area chiropractor who specializes in treatment of musculoskeletal injuries and who conducted the MRI exam, said that White will recover but will probably be sidelined until mid-May. Under that scenario, White would not only be precluded from doing any more evaluation-type work before the draft but would also probably miss the rookie orientation session or mini-camp weekend of the club that takes him. Eldridge diagnosed the injury as a "moderate" tear near the pelvic region.


"I could see where he would have been in considerable pain had he tried to run," Eldridge said.


At the USC pro day on April 2, White knelt on one knee for much of the proceedings, dressed in a track suit. He took off the top of the track suit to participate in the bench press, the only drill in which White took part. White managed only 15 repetitions of the standard 225-pound bench press, a performance that was considered disappointing. By comparison, Heisman Trophy teammate Reggie Bush, a much smaller back, did 24 lifts.


Almost as concerning to scouts as White's inability to perform at the pro day was his weight of 244 pounds, six pounds heavier than he weighed at the combine. But White suggested that he actually weighed far more, 252 pounds, for the Rose Bowl national championship game against Texas.


"I've just got to get right [physically] and then I'll be fine and do everything they want me to do," White said at the time. "But right now I'm not right."


White indicated at the time he planned to return to his native Denver, meet with specialists there to gauge the severity of his hamstring problem and then hopefully work out for scouts before the draft. That will not be the case now.


In his three college seasons, White carried 541 times for 3,159 yards and 52 touchdowns. He also added 31 receptions for 331 yards and five touchdowns. A strong runner between the tackles and bullish when he got into the secondary, he ran for more than 1,000 yards in both 2004 and 2005 and was a perfect complement to the more elusive Bush.


Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

RMANCIL
04-13-2006, 06:02 PM
Saints could deal second pick (http://http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2405261)

By Todd McShay
Scouts Inc

Updated: April 13, 2006, 11:39 AM ET


Saints could deal second pickBy Todd McShay
Scouts Inc.
Archive

Sources inside the Saints' organization say the team has not received a call from the Jets -- or any other team -- regarding a potential trade for the second overall pick. However, it is still extremely early in the process.

The Jets reportedly have orchestrated a six-day, three-quarterback scouting extravaganza. Members of their front office and selected coaches will privately work out Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler on Sunday, USC's Matt Leinart next Tuesday and Texas' Vince Young on April 20.

The Jets hope to finalize their ranking of the top three quarterbacks in this year's draft. Should they fall in love with one of the three, and for whatever reason fear he might not be available at No. 4 overall, they aggressively would seek a trade to leapfrog the Titans at No. 3. Such an approach would be a monumental mistake.

The Jets are one of only two teams (Broncos, too) who own two first-round picks (Nos. 4 and 29). They also own seven of the first 117 overall draft selections, more than any other team. Rather than packaging some of those picks to move up, the Jets would be wise to keep all seven to address their most glaring needs (QB, OT, RB, OLB) and improve the overall depth of their roster.

Even if the Jets lose out on their preferred quarterback by sticking at No. 4, they still will land an elite prospect to fill an area of need, such as Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson or Ohio State OLB A.J. Hawk. By keeping the 29th overall pick, the Jets should be able to find a second impact player in the first round. Candidates include RBs Laurence Maroney (Minnesota) and LenDale White, OT Marcus McNeill (Auburn), and OLB Bobby Carpenter (Ohio State). The Jets will be a better team if they exit the first round with Ferguson and Maroney as opposed to just Leinart or Young.

New head coach Eric Mangini does not hold the same personnel power his mentor, Bill Belichick, has with the Patriots. However, Mangini was around to witness the entire rebuilding process, which included a drafting strategy of "more is better." Mangini has a firm grasp on the concept and undoubtedly will attempt to impart some of that wisdom to newly appointed general manager Mike Tannenbaum. It would be prudent for Tannenbaum to listen.


Broncos not looking up
Despite much speculation, do not expect the Broncos to package their two first-round selections in an attempt to move into the top five. Coach Mike Shanahan and general manager Ted Sundquist agree the team's window to make a Super Bowl run is closing rapidly and the wiser move is to find two players who can contribute immediately rather than packaging the picks for one elite, but high-priced prospect.
As of right now, the game plan is to use the 15th overall selection on the best available wide receiver, running back or tight end prospect, then address one of the other two remaining needs with the best available prospect still on the board at pick No. 22. If Denver selects a running back or wide receiver with its initial first-round pick, it will strongly consider offers to trade out of the 22nd spot. Don't be surprised if the Broncos move out of the first round completely with that second pick, knowing they can get an impact player from a deep class of tight ends. Two tight ends they are targeting in that scenario are Notre Dame's Anthony Fasano and Colorado's Joe Klopfenstein.


Ravens in no rush
The Ravens plan to select a quarterback on Day 1 of the draft, just not in the first round. The team knows Leinart and Young will be long gone by the time it drafts at No. 13, and Baltimore doesn't view Cutler as a significant improvement over existing starter Kyle Boller.
It's no secret the Ravens are holding out hope of landing QB Steve McNair, who is in the midst of a bitter contract battle with the Titans' front office. Regardless, the Ravens are prepared to either use their second-round selection on a quarterback, such as Alabama's Brodie Croyle, or deal some of their eight Day 2 picks to reacquire a third-round pick to use on a developmental third quarterback.



News and notes
• Rather than bolting to the NFL a year early, Tennessee DB Jason Allen returned to school for his senior season in 2005 hoping to solidify a spot in the top half of the first round of this year's draft. A tweener cornerback/free safety prospect, Allen was enjoying a successful season at cornerback before suffering a season-ending dislocated hip in Game 5 versus Georgia.
As expected, his stock immediately plummeted because of concerns about his durability. Allen was able to ease some of those concerns when he showed up healthy at the scouting combine and ran both his 40-yard dash attempts in the low 4.4-second range. At that point, NFL teams reportedly were viewing him as a first-round prospect again.

However, Allen has since failed at least two physicals administered privately by NFL teams. With that news spreading like wildfire, Allen's stock is declining again, and it wouldn't be surprising to see the 6-foot-1, 209-pound defensive back slip to the middle of the second round -- or even beyond that point.

• OG/OT Kevin Boothe (Cornell) has been considered one of the top small-school prospects in the 2006 draft class since the start of the 2005 college football season. Unfortunately for Boothe, his stock has begun to plummet at the worst possible time. Boothe always has carried red flags regarding his durability, as he suffered multiple injuries throughout his collegiate career (thumb, right ankle, broken bones in right and left hands), but none of the injuries was considered a long-term concern.

I have learned from two separate teams, however, that Boothe will not pass their physical examinations because of degenerative injury concerns. At one point, Boothe was viewed as a potential third-round prospect. Given his shaky health status, teams are unlikely to take a chance on the him before Round 5.

• Georgia Tech DC Reuben Houston has been sentenced to a nine-month probation on felony drug charges connected to a marijuana-distribution ring. Houston once was considered a potential Day 1 draft pick, but his stock has plummeted since the incident. The good news for Houston is that he avoided jail time. However, on top of obvious character concerns, Houston failed to crack the 4.6-plateau in the 40-yard dash and turned in a rather unimpressive overall workout at the combine as well as at Georgia Tech's pro day.


Scouts Inc.'s Top 32
RANK NAME POS CLASS SCHOOL PREV
1. Reggie Bush RB JR USC 1
2. Mario Williams DE JR N.C. State 2
3. D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT SR Virginia 4
4. Matt Leinart QB SR USC 3
5. A.J. Hawk OLB SR Ohio State 5
6. Vince Young QB JR Texas 9
7. Vernon Davis TE JR Maryland 6
8. Michael Huff DB SR Texas 7
9. Brodrick Bunkley DT SR Florida State 11
10. Winston Justice OT JR USC 8
11. Haloti Ngata DT JR Oregon 10
12. Ernie Sims OLB JR Florida State 14
13. Jay Cutler QB SR Vanderbilt 12
14. Jimmy Williams DC SR Virginia Tech 19
15. Kamerion Wimbley DE SR Florida State 24
16. Tye Hill DC SR Clemson 17
17. Chad Jackson WR JR Florida 15
18. DeAngelo Williams RB SR Memphis 13
19. Santonio Holmes WR JR Ohio State 16
20. Laurence Maroney RB JR Minnesota 18
21. Jonathan Joseph DC JR South Carolina 21
22. Chad Greenway OLB SR Iowa 20
23. Antonio Cromartie DC JR Florida State 26
24. LenDale White RB JR USC 25
25. Manny Lawson DE JR NC State 27
26. Donte Whitner DS JR Ohio State 31
27. Mathias Kiwanuka DE SR Boston College 22
28. Sinorice Moss WR SR Miami-Fla. 32
29. Nick Mangold OC SR Ohio State 28
30. Ashton Youboty DC JR Ohio State 23

RMANCIL
04-13-2006, 06:05 PM
Justice, pair of guards impress scouts (http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2397704)

LOS ANGELES -- Since 1970, Southern California has supplied 17 first-round offensive linemen to the NFL draft. But the Trojans haven't had a first-round blocker since 1996 and none of note since 1995, when the Jacksonville Jaguars plucked left tackle Tony Boselli with the second overall selection.


But this is the year the unusual drought ends for the Trojans. And the year in which the proud tradition of producing quality offensive linemen -- guys such as Pro Football Hall of Fame member Anthony Munoz, Bruce Matthews, Keith Van Horne, Marvin Powell, Ken Ruettgers and Don Mosebar -- is revisited.

LAND OF THE STARS
USC has been a dominant figure on the college scene the past three seasons. Now, many of those key performers find themselves on the verge of NFL careers. ESPN.com went to USC's pro day to check out the Trojans.
• Pasquarelli: Bush draws a crowd
• Pasquarelli: Questions surround Leinart
• Pasquarelli: D doesn't measure up
• Pasquarelli: Trio of OL prospects
• Pasquarelli: Pro day as recruiting tool
• Horton: Event lacks personal touch
• Motion: Bush shines
• Motion: Leinart impresses
In behemoth offensive tackle Winston Justice, clearly the prospect whose draft stock was most enhanced by Sunday afternoon's pro day workouts, the Trojans will have their first top-round offensive line pick since Green Bay selected John Michels in 1996. Girthy guard Taitusi Lutui could squeeze into the bottom of the first round but, more realistically, is probably a second-rounder. And his running mate at guard, Fred Matua, might have moved himself into first-day consideration with a terrific pro day performance.


"There's a lot of pride among the [linemen] here," said Lutui, who at 6-foot-3½ and 330 pounds certainly fits the profile of what NFL teams are seeking in their interior linemen now. "There's a lot of history, we all know, too. With all the great [skill-position] players we have here, the linemen sometimes get lost in the shuffle, but we feel we're a big part of this program's success, too."


With the emphasis on big, for sure.


No one had a bigger or more impressive workout Sunday than Justice, who still must resolve some character issues with scouts, but might have catapulted himself into top-10 status with a tremendous overall performance. He checked in at 6-6¼ and 320 pounds, carried his weight well, and performed admirably in every drill. In the vertical jump, Justice did 39 inches, an incredible mark for such a big man. He registered 38 repetitions in the bench press. Justice pulled up toward the end of the 40-yard drill, clutching his right hamstring, but one AFC scout still said he clocked him in 5.03 seconds. The consensus was that Justice was in the 5.1s and would have run in the 4.9s were it not for the hamstring injury.


In the pass-block drills, Justice, who has the kind of wingspan scouts love (34½ inches) in pass protectors, looked very agile and naturally athletic, despite the sore hamstring.


"Some of the stuff he did was absolutely off the charts for a man so big," Carolina Panthers coach John Fox said. "You don't see those kinds of workout numbers from a 320-pounder. He definitely helped himself."


Fox noted that there are teams that actually like Justice a little better than they do D'Brickashaw Ferguson of Virginia, the consensus No. 1 tackle in the draft pool. After the Sunday workout, in which Justice looked both athletic and explosive, there is a lot to like.


Teams will certainly conduct their due diligence into a pair of incidents that drew sanctions for Justice, one of which included his allegedly pointing a pellet gun at a student. But a few general managers on Sunday pointed out that Justice, rather than leave school and go into last year's draft, took the steps necessary to regain his eligibility and a spot on the 2005 Trojans roster, and had no recent off-field issues.


Said Justice: "That stuff is all behind me. I'm just looking forward now."

“ There's a lot of pride among the [linemen] here. There's a lot of history, we all know, too. With all the great [skill-position] players we have here, the linemen sometimes get lost in the shuffle, but we feel we're a big part of this program's success, too. ”
—G Taitusi Lutui
It should be noted that another USC blocker of sorts, underrated fullback David Kirtman, whose selfless approach was cited by coach Pete Carroll in his opening remarks to scouts, raised his stock with a very solid audition. But the scouts really came away impressed by the Trojans' linemen.


Lutui looks like a prototype NFL guard, thick and naturally powerful. His 40-yard time, in the mid-5.3s, was not dazzling, but Lutui is more athletic than people think, although he will be best suited in a power-blocking scheme.


The lesser-celebrated Matua was 301 pounds on Sunday, but performed as many reps on the bench press as Lutui (26) and ran considerably faster (5.06) in the 40. A gritty in-line blocker, Matua was regarded as a middle-round choice by most scouts. But his pro day audition was so good, he may have moved himself into first-day consideration.

Hit the link for the full story

RMANCIL
04-14-2006, 03:57 AM
Davis sent to Niners in trade of draft flops

Pretty lousy head line by the union , man what is wrong with them.

April 13, 2006

The Chargers and San Francisco 49ers came to an agreement yesterday in which they would rid each other of first-round disappointments.

The Chargers sent cornerback Sammy Davis to the Bay Area and got receiver Rashaun Woods in return.



Sammy Davis
30th overall pick in 2003



Rashaun Woods
31st overall pick in 2004
“Sometimes a change of scenery is good,” Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith said. “Sammy has struggled a little bit, and Rashaun Woods had not been healthy and hadn't got out of the gate. We're looking for some wide receivers always and really, really liked this guy a lot coming out of college. But he hasn't made his mark in the National Football League.”

The two players were drafted one year and one spot apart – Davis as the 30th pick overall in 2003 and Woods as the 31st in '04.

While Davis started every game of his rookie season on a 4-12 team and 10 games in 2004, he made just four starts in '05 and would have had to stand out considerably to even be the team's third corner this season.

The Chargers had been shopping Davis for a while. Getting Woods is actually a fair deal for a cornerback other teams knew the Chargers wanted to part with.

The 6-foot-2, 202-pound Woods was the seventh receiver taken in the '04 draft. He was twice an All-American at Oklahoma State, breaking virtually every school and Big 12 receiving record. He caught an NCAA-record seven touchdown passes against Southern Methodist in 2003.

But injuries and a decided lack of speed have stalled his professional career before it has really gotten started. He caught just seven passes for 160 yards and a touchdown his rookie year. He was inactive for the 49ers' first three games in 2005 and was put on injured reserve Sept. 29 after damaging ligaments in his thumb in practice.

He will likely be penciled in as the Chargers' No. 4 receiver.

The Chargers traded down – from 15th – to get the Eagles' 30th and 62nd picks in 2003. They used the 62nd to select safety Terrence Kiel.

Davis played in 44 games (30 starts) and had three interceptions. Mike Nolan, the 49ers coach, said Davis will challenge for a starting job.

While Smith's last two drafts have been widely praised, 2003 was his first draft in charge. He drafted Davis hoping the player would help solidify a secondary that remains a bit shaky.

“Do I wish he was going to the Pro Bowl for the last several years and a starter consistently?” Smith asked rhetorically. “Yeah. But that's not the world of the NFL.”

Now Davis and '03 third-round pick Courtney Van Buren (released) are gone. The two second-rounders from that year – Kiel and cornerback Drayton Florence – have yet to become as productive as hoped. Even before Davis departed, the Chargers were thin at cornerback. Florence, Quentin Jammer, Markus Curry and Mitch Meeuwsen are the team's only corners.

Said Smith: “We could work on (adding cornerbacks) in the draft, work on it in trades, work on it in the summer.”

The draft increasingly seems like the biggest possibility for the Chargers to bolster that position.

Florida State's Antonio Cromartie and Tennessee's Jason Allen have been brought in for visits to the Chargers' facility

RMANCIL
04-14-2006, 04:04 AM
In for a big surprise (http://http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=An_pG2k7zXjkTxu5DnlC8iVDubYF?slug=cr-impactdbs041006&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)


By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports

There's always the "if" hanging over Antonio Cromartie.

If he had gone back to Florida State, he would probably be the No. 1 cornerback in the 2007 draft class. If he had held on another 12 months, he probably would have been a top-10 pick. And of course – the one that stabs at him the most – if he hadn't injured his knee in the first place, he might be fighting with North Carolina State's Mario Williams and Ohio State's A.J. Hawk to be the first defensive player selected in this month's NFL draft.

"I don't look back on it," said Cromartie at the annual scouting combine while expounding on the knee injury that robbed him of his junior season with the Seminoles. "You can go crazy. It's time for me to move on."

Move on and move up.

After raising eyebrows by declaring for the draft despite missing his entire junior season with a left knee injury, the FSU cornerback has rallied in recent months, wowing teams at the combine and the Seminoles' pro day. Now it looks like Cromartie could end up being this year's Willis McGahee – a super-talented player who overcomes an injury nightmare to become this year's surprising first-round pick.


Not that Cromartie landing in the first round would be a total shock. Even with his injury, word around the league is that he's carrying a grade of late first round to second round on NFL draft boards. The real surprise might be how high Cromartie actually goes. Considered by most to be a risky pick who likely will land with a team that has the luxury of easing him in for a year, it now appears that Cromartie could vault as high as the middle of the first round.

According to John Murphy of Next Level Scouting, Cromartie has drawn strong interest from seven teams: the Kansas City Chiefs, Miami Dolphins, San Diego Chargers, Dallas Cowboys, Cincinnati Bengals, Seattle Seahawks and New England Patriots. Two of them – the Patriots and Chargers – have had personal visits scheduled. Nearly every team in the league also was on hand for Cromartie's pro-day performance when he posted a 42-inch vertical, clocked 4.4 seconds in the 40-yard dash and had an impressive showing in defensive and special teams drills.

"You put your hands over your ears with the knee and just go on what you see and you say, '[He's] at the top of anyone out there in the secondary' – without a question," said a defensive assistant in the NFC North. "But you factor in that knee, which I don't think he's totally back from, and you move him down the board because that's a huge deal.… He looks good running around, and he looks good on all of his tape before the injury. So you say, 'This kid is the real deal.' But when it comes time to make the pick, someone has to take the risk."

The last few weeks would have been impressive for any corner, but for one the size of Cromartie – 6-foot-2¼ and 203 pounds – they were downright unique. With the NFL's elite cornerbacks standing between 5-10 and 5-11 and weighing 190 pounds (like all of the starters in this year's Pro Bowl), the big corner has been largely absent – or playing safety. But few corners have displayed the athleticism and coverage ability in college that Cromartie did during his first two seasons at Florida State.

"He's a great big, physical guy," said Florida wideout Chad Jackson, who also is expected to be a first-round pick. "He's got great size and great speed. He's a tall guy, and he should be able to play the safety spot or the cornerback spot. Honestly, I was surprised to see him at the cornerback spot when I played against them."

In his first two years, Cromartie lived up to the hype as one of the nation's most coveted cornerback recruits. Despite playing in a deep and talented secondary, Cromartie played in every game as a true freshman, then earned All-Atlantic Coast Conference first-team honors despite starting only one game as a sophomore.

Heading into his junior season, Cromartie was expected to vault to All-America status. That expectation was scuttled when he tore his anterior cruciate ligament, medial collateral ligament and hamstring in a voluntary offseason workout. The injuries cost Cromartie five months to surgery and rehabilitation and made his medical charts just as popular as his workout numbers at the combine.

"To me, I have to prove something to myself," Cromartie said. "I feel like I don't have any pressure on me right now – just go out and do what I've always done and that's play football."

MORE IMPACT DEFENSIVE BACKS

Here are five more difference-makers in the secondary:

Michael Huff, S, Texas – It's looking more and more like Huff is going to have to stay at safety rather than corner, but some think he's an Ed Reed type of player at safety. He struggled to catch the ball at Texas' pro day. Scouts say: He's got the explosion and range to be special.

Jimmy Williams, CB/S, Virginia Tech – Some personnel people have been turned off by his cockiness. And it's clear that some are projecting him at safety, even though he's been adamant that he wants to play cornerback. Scouts say: He's great in press and man-to-man, but he's slow to react in zone coverage and tends to guess.

Jason Allen, S/CB, Tennessee – He's fluid and fast, but his future still seems to be at safety. His ballistic numbers at the combine put to rest the short-term fears about his surgically repaired hip. Scouts say: His injured hip has tested out with about 85 percent of the strength of his healthy one, and it could be an issue as his career progresses.

Jonathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina – Joseph has drawn the "upside" label after injuries and junior college limited him to only one full season at South Carolina. Had he played two years, he might have developed into a "total package" cornerback. Scouts say: He's fast and has all the physical tools and instincts, but he still is polishing his raw coverage technique as a cornerback.

Tye Hill, CB, Clemson – If you're looking for the super-fast track athlete at corner, with amazing agility and leaping ability, Hill is at the top of the list. He has shown a good ability to find and go after the ball when it's in the air. Scouts say: His size (5-9) is going to scare off some teams because it's a liability against the run and the league's bigger wideouts.

RMANCIL
04-14-2006, 04:09 AM
NFL ticker
From the Associated Press
•Raiders Sign Former Vikings DE Johnstone Apr 13 2006 8:59PM
•Lions Re-Sign Safety Terrence Holt Apr 13 2006 8:36PM
•Steelers Sign LB Harrison to 4-Year Deal Apr 13 2006 7:16PM
•Panthers Sign Free-Agent LB Keith Adams Apr 13 2006 5:50PM
•Seahawks Sign DE Rasmussen for Depth Apr 13 2006 5:42PM
•Cowboys FB Polite Signs 1-Year Deal Apr 13 2006 5:25PM
•UConn Hoops Player to Pursue NFL Career Apr 13 2006 5:44PM
•Colts Re-Sign Linebacker Rob Morris Apr 13 2006 4:30PM

RMANCIL
04-14-2006, 04:13 AM
McNair could be select pick for Ravens (http://http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-sp.maese14apr14,0,1670542.column?coll=bal-sports-columnists)

Acouple of days before Easter and a couple of weeks before the NFL draft, the Ravens already find themselves with all their eggs in one basket.

The Ravens' future is being dictated 700 miles away in the offices of the Tennessee Titans. It's there that Titans officials are deciding the fate of quarterback Steve McNair and indirectly, mapping the course for the Ravens.

Ravens officials watched the offseason quarterback shuffle from afar. In need of a new quarterback for next season, the Ravens barely raised an eyebrow for Drew Brees and Daunte Culpepper. They were waiting patiently on McNair, who is under contract with the Titans.

Now, we're close to seeing if all this waiting will pay off. While the draft board gets more muddled with each passing day, the situation in Nashville involving McNair and the Titans is unfolding just as Ravens officials had anticipated.

With the Titans barring McNair from working out at team facilities and the union filing a grievance on the player's behalf, it's tough to see the quarterback returning to Tennessee next season. Many mock drafts have been scrambling to update their boards, and the Titans are expected to take either Matt Leinart or Vince Young with their No. 3 pick. Both quarterbacks visited the team facilities this week.

The chess pieces are all moving, and if the Titans are intent on nabbing Young or Leinart, they could make their intentions known soon. Tennessee could waive McNair before the draft, injecting some breathing room in the salary cap to afford the pricey No. 3 pick.

This is the best scenario for the Ravens because the draft is the last opportunity - though an unlikely one - to find a legitimate alternative to McNair.

The situation in Nashville has dragged out so long that the Ravens have their backs to the wall: It's to the point where the rest of the league looks at the Ravens and knows that it's McNair or nothing. If McNair falls through, the Ravens' Plan B likely includes a backup quarterback or a borderline starter like Kerry Collins, who is hardly an obvious upgrade over Kyle Boller.

The team's starting quarterback for next season will almost certainly be either McNair or Boller. Boller could beat out the Plan Bs, but would not start ahead of McNair.

As for the draft, it's doubtful that the Ravens' quarterback solution is anywhere on the board. Before the situation with the Titans began heating up, some analysts predicted that Young would slip to at least No. 7 (the Raiders) and maybe as far as No. 10 (the Cardinals). If Leinart somehow falls into the Titans' lap, Young could slide down the board.

(Surely the Texans' talk of taking N.C. State's Mario Williams with the No. 1 pick is a ploy to help in negotiations with Reggie Bush, right?)

Even if Young lingers in the 7-10 area, though, some analysts are overstating the likelihood of the Ravens trading up to draft the University of Texas quarterback.

For one, the Ravens aren't historically aggressive on improving their draft position on Day 1. But the bigger reason is that a quarterback like Young might not be able to provide the immediate impact the Ravens need.

Most league scouts agree that Young will ultimately be a very effective NFL quarterback, but it might take a couple of years of development first. The Ravens are an organization focused on next season, not 2007 or 2008. They have some aging players at key positions and a head coach who can't afford to build for the future. The goal seems clear: They want to win now.

The Ravens will likely use the draft to plug a couple of holes. They would be fortunate if Florida State's Brodrick Bunkley is still available at No. 13. If he's not, many suspect the Ravens will scoop up Oregon's Haloti Ngata. Both line up at nose tackle, a huge need with the loss of Maake Kemoeatu. (Some mock drafts also have the Ravens selecting offensive tackle Winston Justice and safety Donte Whitner.)
No matter which players the Ravens select, the most important pickup this month should come from the waiver wire.

McNair is not only sensible; he's essential.

His favorite Titans target - wide receiver Derrick Mason - is already in a Ravens jersey. McNair might not be as mobile in the pocket as he once was, which means the offensive line will continue to be a liability. But blocking out of the backfield should be improved next season.

The Ravens have been patient this offseason. Now things need to fall into place over the next couple of weeks.


Click the link for the full story

RMANCIL
04-14-2006, 04:20 AM
Pick No. 16 would be sweet indeed if Young falls in Dolphins' lap (http://http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/14339116.htm)

Nick Saban, who recruited Vince Young while at LSU, hopes the Texas quarterback is still available with the 16th pick of the draft.
BY ARMANDO SALGUERO
asalguero@MiamiHerald.com

Nick Saban's esteem for Vince Young started when the Texas quarterback was 14 years old and is amplified by his potential value to the Dolphins.

So if Young is available with the 16th pick of the NFL Draft, as some pundits have predicted, Miami likely would pick him.

''Everybody knows about Vince Young and his history,'' Saban said Thursday. ``He came to our camp all the time, and it's not hard for me to know that guy. I've known him since he was 14 or 15 years old.''

Saban recruited Young, and the player picked Texas over LSU in what sources close to Young say was a very difficult decision. The Dolphins are among the handful of teams Young has visited leading up to the April 29-30 draft.

Miami hopes Young might fall to No. 16 or that vicinity, which is one reason coaches spent time with him this week. The Dolphins have needs at backup quarterback, outside linebacker, cornerback, nose tackle and perhaps receiver.

But even if Young might not fill the immediate need for an experienced backup quarterback, Saban sees Young, or practically any talented young quarterback, as a player who can be dealt later for multiple draft picks that would be valuable for the team.

''To me, philosophically everyone needs to understand we'll try to do whatever is best and brings the most value to our team,'' Saban said. ``As far as whether you go up, go down, who you pick, those decisions have not been formulated.''

Saban said Thursday he was pleased with Miami's 2005 draft, which included starters Ronnie Brown, Channing Crowder and Travis Daniels. And after that relative success, the team has decided not much needs to change in terms of the approach this year.

''I don't think we're making a lot of changes systematically of how we go about it based on what happened a year ago,'' he said.

The Dolphins enjoyed some draft advantages last season they will not have this year. They picked second overall last season but are in the middle of the first round this year. Miami also doesn't have picks in the second, fifth and sixth rounds because of trades they have made.

But the advantage Saban enjoyed a year ago of intimately knowing the players he rated because he played them while coaching at LSU is still present, although faded somewhat.

''Each year we're going to be one year further removed, so there will be less players that we know,'' Saban said

Click the link for the full story

RMANCIL
04-14-2006, 04:33 AM
Bills could pass up No. 8 pick, deal down (http://http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060413/SPORTS0101/604130380/1007/SPORTS)

April 13, 2006) — The draft stock of Oregon nose tackle Haloti Ngata appears to have slipped a bit and ESPN NFL draft guru Mel Kiper's latest mock draft instead has the Buffalo Bills selecting Florida State defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley No. 8 overall in the college draft April 29, just after Oakland picks Texas quarterback Vince Young No. 7.

Presumably, if the Bills had signed veteran free-agent DT Ryan Pickett (who instead signed with Green Bay), they could have used the No. 8 pick on another position. Ngata reputedly is the best run stuffer in the draft but Bunkley is more agile and versatile.

One potential trading partner for the Bills could be Minnesota. The Vikings reportedly want quarterback Jay Cutler but they have the No. 17 overall pick and he'd probably be gone by then.

If Buffalo isn't completely sold on Bunkley or Ngata, and if Minnesota really wants Cutler, a possible reasonable swap would be the No. 8 pick for the 17th, 48th and 51st picks.

The Bills would wind up with 4 of the first 51 picks (17th, 42nd, 48th and 51st), not a bad situation for a rebuilding team — at least until the time comes to sign them all.


One of the solid positions for the Bills entering the draft is wide receiver. If Lee Evans, Roscoe Parrish, Josh Reed, Peerless Price (if he has something left), Andre Davis, Sam Aiken and possibly Jonathan Smith stay healthy, they should be a productive group. Of course, they need a quarterback who can get them the ball and an offensive line good enough to give the QB time to do it. ... Penn State defensive back Alan Zemaitis (Spencerport) is projected as a mid- to late second-round or early third-round pick in the April 29 draft. USA Sports Weekly rates him eighth among cornerbacks.

The Vikings and the Fish are the two bigest QB hungury teams in this draft. The Jets are hidding their intentions pretty well however a lot of N.Y. writters think that they are still in the QB hunt.

RMANCIL
04-14-2006, 04:55 AM
Draft buzz: What will the Rams do?[/ (http://http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/jeffgordon/story/2CBE29366972B8998625714E00657038?OpenDocument)

BY JEFF GORDON
STLTODAY.COM SPORTS COLUMNIST
04/12/2006

The 2006 NFL Draft is shaping up as big-time fun for the citizens of Rams Nation.

This squad has a new head coach, an overhauled coaching staff and many needs. The Rams have a reasonably high first pick, 11th overall. And the stock of each potential first-round pick appears to be fluctuating wildly.

Across the Internet, experts are posting and then revising their mock drafts. As of yet, there is no consensus on what the Rams will do. Take a look:


Mel Kiper, ESPN: Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa.

Ron Borges, NBC Sports.com: Greenway.

Todd McShay, Scouts Inc.: Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt.

Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports: Cutler.

Pete Prisco, CBS SportsLine: Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech.

Dennis Dodd, CBS SportsLine: Jimmy Williams

Clark Judge, CBS SportsLine: Tye Hill, CB, Clemson.

Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com: Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State.

Chris Colston, USAToday.com: Michael Huff, DB, Texas.

Nate Davis, USAToday.com: Jason Allen, S, Tennessee:


Now let’s consider the trends. Early on, Cutler’s stock soared and his name appeared in the high end of the draft. Many experts had him pegged for the Jets at No. 4 or the Packers at No. 5.

Later mock drafts had him falling past the Rams, into the teens. Now more draftniks are speculating that the Rams will ignore their considerable needs on the defensive side and take Cutler.

“The team has other, more pressing needs,” McShay wrote, “but drafting a quarterback of the future will be too big a temptation to bypass. New head coach Scott Linehan is an offensive guru and it is rumored that he likes Cutler as a fit for his system. Furthermore, Marc Bulger is brittle, Gus Frerotte is an aging stopgap and the team needs a better contingency plan than QB Ryan Fitzpatrick.”

Rang of Scout.com had defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley falling, Jimmy Kennedy-like, in the first round. He believes the Rams would seize this opportunity to fill that hole in their defense.

“The Rams have a great many options with this pick,” Rang wrote. “Outside linebacker, tight end and quarterback Jay Cutler all make sense for various reasons. However, the Rams finished 27th in run defense last season and are seeking to replace two former first-round defensive tackles in Ryan Pickett and Damione Lewis. Bunkley broke the FSU record for tackles for loss in a season with 25 and was one of the top performers at both the Senior Bowl and combine.”

During a live chat on ESPN.com Wednesday afternoon, the peerless Kiper was asked if Texas defensive back Michael Huff could fall to the Rams.

“I don’t think there’s a chance at 11,” Kiper responded. “He’s too highly regarded. He’s at worst one of the top eight players in the draft. I have the Rams taking Chad Greenway at 11. They would also consider Jay Cutler.”

(There you go -- another half-vote for Cutler! Could it be that Linehan is starting to fall in love with a new young quarterback to mentor?)

Borges seconded Kiper’s opinion on Greenway, who wasn’t ranked nearly as highly on other draft boards. Why not?

“Greenway’s performance at the Combine raised a few eyebrows when he posted sub-par speed and strength numbers,” Scout.com reported. “His stock has fallen a bit, but personal workouts usually can allay any fears that teams have with a player's ability with a good performance. He won’t fall out of the top 20 and with a big-time performance in his individual workouts he could move close to the top 10. He would make a lot of teams happy as a weakside playmaking linebacker, so expect him to go anywhere from 12 to 18 in the draft.”

Cornerback Jimmy Williams, another strong possibility for the Rams, was ranked anywhere from 10th to 24th by our informal panel. “Last remembered for getting kicked out of Virginia Tech's bowl game,” wrote Dodd. “Perfect fit in the me-first NFL; brilliant athletically but still a head case at times. Hey, it worked for Deion (Sanders).”

Cornerback Tye Hill and safety Jason Allen have drifted to later in the first round -– or worse -– in most of the mock drafts we’ve seen. Concerns about Allen’s hip injury lowered his stock, but teams are warming up to him again.

“Fortunately he has pushed his way back into the first round,” Kiper said during his ESPN.com chat.

An earlier NFLDraftScout.com draft had North Carolina State linebacker Manny Lawson going to the Rams as his stock continued to rise.

“Lawson is expected to be drafted by a team looking to transition him to outside linebacker, probably in a 3-4 alignment,” observed NFLDraftScout.com “The question about the 6-foot-6, 241-pounder was not speed, as Lawson blazed a 4.43-second 40-yard dash at the Combine, but agility and explosiveness. Lawson, however, ran a 6.90 in the three cone drill, the test designed to show change of direction. His time was faster than all linebackers not named A.J. Hawk who are expected to be drafted on the first day.”

Hit the link for the full story


Manny Lawson is getting a ton of ink a lot of teams like him a lot. He and Wimbley, Kamerion Florida State are real hot with teams running the 3-4 defense. Both have great numbers at the combine and pretty good seasons.

The Browns who also need a NG for their 3-4 real bad are very torn about taking one of these players over Ngata or Bunkley.

The Chargers if they want to trade down may be able to do just that with the Browns or trade up with the Bills.

The Bills have a lot of holes to fill and it is rumored that the Vikings may be looking to move up and have been in talks with the Bills.

The Vikings are talking the Falcons up and want QB Matt Schaub and are offering their 1# selection. The Falcons earlier had been offered a 2# for him had indicated a 1# would do the trick.

Looks like the Falcons are trying to see just how much they can get for Schaub.

The Chargers created more glaring needs and thus options for themselves when they traded CB Davis to S.F.

The Chargers can sit at 19 and land one of the top CB or if OT Justice falls grab him or they can move up or back in the draft depending on price.
Keep a eye on Fletcher as he may hold the key to the Bolts next move.

Chargers GM A.J. Smith all but eliminated the Bolts drafting a WR in the first round with his trade of CB Davis for WR Woods. Most veteran fans expect Smith to target OL and in particular OT.

Smith specifically mentioned the need in his state of the team address.

RMANCIL
04-14-2006, 07:36 AM
Inside the numbers

Ron Mancil on the draft


Take a look at OT and a couple of important numbers
REP=Strength endurance Vert= 1st step explosiveness 20 yd shuttle = agility

Justice,Winston Reps: 38 Vertical Jump: 39 Shuttle:4:43


McNeill, Marcus reps : NA Vertical Jump:31 Shuttle:5.07

Winston, Eric Reps: 22 Vertical Jump:33 Shuttle:4.49

Colledge, Daryn Reps:22 Vertical Jump: 32 1/2 Shuttle:4.60

Trueblood, Jeremy Reps:20 Vertical Jump: 27 1/2 Shuttle: 4.71

Scott, Jonathan Reps: na Vertical Jump: 24 1/2 Shuttle: 4.87

O'Callaghan, Ryan Reps: 21 Vertical Jump:26 Shuttle: 4.83

Whimper, Guy Reps: 26 Vertical Jump:29 Shuttle: 4.61

Whitworth, Andrew Reps: 28 Vertical Jump: 30 1/2 Shuttle:4.84

McQuistan, Paul Reps:28 Vertical Jump: 29 1/2 Shuttle: 4.65

Based on the numbers

Strongest the longest top 3

Justice,Winston -Whitworth, Andrew - McQuistan, Paul


Most explosive top 3

Justice,Winston - Winston, Eric - Colledge, Daryn

Best agility

Justice,Winston - Winston, Eric - Colledge, Daryn

Couple those numbers with game tape , injury history and make the pick.

phillychargerfan
04-14-2006, 11:49 AM
Inside the numbers

Ron Mancil on the draft


Take a look at OT and a couple of important numbers
REP=Strength endurance Vert= 1st step explosiveness 20 yd shuttle = agility

Justice,Winston Reps: 38 Vertical Jump: 39 Shuttle:4:43


McNeill, Marcus reps : NA Vertical Jump:31 Shuttle:5.07

Winston, Eric Reps: 22 Vertical Jump:33 Shuttle:4.49

Colledge, Daryn Reps:22 Vertical Jump: 32 1/2 Shuttle:4.60

Trueblood, Jeremy Reps:20 Vertical Jump: 27 1/2 Shuttle: 4.71

Scott, Jonathan Reps: na Vertical Jump: 24 1/2 Shuttle: 4.87

O'Callaghan, Ryan Reps: 21 Vertical Jump:26 Shuttle: 4.83

Whimper, Guy Reps: 26 Vertical Jump:29 Shuttle: 4.61

Whitworth, Andrew Reps: 28 Vertical Jump: 30 1/2 Shuttle:4.84

McQuistan, Paul Reps:28 Vertical Jump: 29 1/2 Shuttle: 4.65

Based on the numbers

Strongest the longest top 3

Justice,Winston -Whitworth, Andrew - McQuistan, Paul


Most explosive top 3

Justice,Winston - Winston, Eric - Colledge, Daryn

Best agility

Justice,Winston - Winston, Eric - Colledge, Daryn

Couple those numbers with game tape , injury history and make the pick.


Thanks for those numbers RMANCIL!! On paper it looks like Justice is the pick IF he's there. What really surprises me is the numbers Colledge put up, he seems to be neck and neck with E.Winston, so why is Colledge a late day 1 pick and Winston is a late 1st??

PS
I know the answer, this is a question I pose to all the E.Winston fans.

phillychargerfan
04-14-2006, 11:54 AM
I used to be a BIG J.Scott fan (I even said grab him at 19 early on) now looking over those numbers I don't know if I would grab him at our 2nd, maybe our 3rd. It looks like he has good agility but no strenght or explosivness. He is really starting to look like a project to me.

Loki
04-14-2006, 01:24 PM
No way the Browns take Greenway...The Browns will take Lawson, Wimbley, or Bunkley, or even DeAngelo

56lightsout56
04-14-2006, 04:54 PM
here are some interesting points of view from B.J. MuchMore (no kidding. I hope that is a pseudo!!!!) from nfldraftblitz based upon some mock drafts. I have bolded some of the relevent to the bolts points:

Mock Drafts:

By: B.J. Muchmore 4/13/06
Whether you are in a private pool, filling out contests on the Internet, or simply completing your own personal mock draft, it is important to have a strategy. In some instances, more information creates more confusion. This time of year there is no shortage of NFL Mock Draft's. Most football-related web sites have continuous updates for NFL organizations and fans alike.

I decided to get my feet wet and "surf the web" this weekend and make a few notes. Although some may impact my own personal mock draft, I feel most of the information can be promptly dismissed. Naturally, I will refrain from using names or web sites (you know, to protect the innocent). After all, since I am relatively unknown, I'd like to avoid entering the "Draft Protection Program".

Once again, thanks for the e-mails, feedback, and comments, they are always appreciated. However, as a note, I am from Canada, so the words are not misspelled, we just use a few more "u"'s in our words.

1. Many people feel the best defensive player available is AJ Hawk. Strangely enough, I have yet to see a mock draft, where he is actually the 1st defensive player off the board. Traditionally, Linebackers are not taken highly. I think LaVar Arrington was the last LB to go in the top 5. However, every year is different. If you are looking for solid prospects to go in the first round, I could make cases for Demeco Ryans, Ernie Sims, or my 2 favorite sleepers at LB (Thomas Howard and Jon Alston).

2. Speaking of the top defensive prospect, most people have billed Mario Edwards as the top choice amongst defensive prospects. As a pure DE, he is a force to be reckoned with; however, all things being equal, I'd prefer Kamerion Wimbley or Manny Lawson. I am not saying that they will be taken before Edwards; although, I am making a note to evaluate these three players at this time next year.

3. In a tiebreaker between 2 talented prospects, I always allow speed to be the final differentiation. Case in point, Michael Huff (based purely on speed) is a much better prospect than Jimmy Williams, who spent the majority of this draft season as the top CB, only to be falling, perhaps based on character issues.

Regardless of how much research you do prior to determining the top 32 prospects, remember that there will always be a few moments of "Shock and Awe". No one should anticipate being 100% accurate. As a personal goal, I have been happy with 24-26 correct picks. Here are just a few examples of some potentially crazy moments on draft weekend, based on recent mock drafts on the web:

* Matt Leinart falling to the Lions.
* Vernon Davis Not in the top 20.
* Chad Greenway still being touted as a top 10 pick.

Well, just a few more weeks and its all over but the grading.

nflphd
04-14-2006, 11:17 PM
I think we need to take a corner in the first and then focus on upgrading our line in the second and third rounds and then pick up the bpa at corner or ILB in the fourth.

SillyBoltsFan
04-15-2006, 07:18 PM
Ten Rising, Ten Falling
By NFL Draft Staff – Rivals.com

What a difference a year - and a lousy Senior Bowl - can make.

We've all heard that predicting NFL success is an inexact science. There are several variables that must be considered when trying to determine a player's future productivity.

A nice showing at the NFL Combine by a "workout warrior" can improve a player's draft status dramatically. General managers, coaches and others supposedly in the know throw around the term "upside" quite a bit in late April.

Conversely, a slow 40-yard dash or failing to lift 225 pounds enough times can make a player's draft stock drop quickly. Throw in off-the-field troubles, character issues or an injury, and an athlete loaded with talent can find himself slipping by the round instead of by the pick.

We've enlisted the help of NFL scout and Draft expert Frank Coyle of draftinsiders.com to tell us about 10 players whose stock is rising, 10 whose stock is falling and - most importantly - why.

Ten Rising Prospects
1. Jay Cutler - QB - Vanderbilt
Big, athletic college quarterback made fast progress over his senior season and postseason. He has climbed into the top 10 selections - possibly even the top five. He has the athletic package and intangibles to be an early NFL starter and may be the most successful passer in this class. He was a prospect Draft Insiders ranked the No. 2 passer in May 2005 behind only Matt Leinart before this impressive '05 season and postseason. At both the Senior Bowl and NFL Combine, he displayed fine skills with the ability to make all the plays. He has the aptitude and intangibles to become a fine NFL starter.

2. Winston Justice - OT - USC
Agile junior tackle continued a strong postseason with a nice effort at the NFL Combine. He followed that up with an impressive workout at Southern Cal. He is a fine athlete with very good footwork, balance and the wingspan to be a fine pass protector on either side after protecting the blindside of left-handed passer Matt Leinart at USC. He has bulked up to over 320 lbs. without losing any quickness. He has the athletic package that scouts seek in a left tackle prospect. He could hear his name at the top of the first round and will likely be the second tackle chosen. Clubs like the Bills and Cardinals are interested teams with top-10 picks. He won't get past the Browns or Ravens in the opening round.

3. Nick Mangold - C - Ohio State
Tough, mobile pivot man graded out exceptionally high over his final two seasons in the Big Ten. He completed a fine career with a strong postseason at the Senior Bowl and NFL Combine. His performances may push him into the end of the first round area, with the Jets interested at the 29th selection. He impressed clubs at his interview, and his level of development indicates he can start immediately on the inside. He has good speed, hands and agility with the power and tenacity to be very productive against top competition.

4. Maurcie Drew - RB - UCLA
Fast, compact and short tailback had an impressive junior season that led him to declare for the Draft. He had a huge performance at the NFL Combine that has moved him into the mid first day area. Despite his lack of height (5'7"), he has the ability to be a complete NFL feature back with fine hands and the talent to run both inside and outside. He has the power and speed to earn a starting feature back role early in his career. He could also be a dangerous return specialist. Clubs like the Steelers, Panthers and Colts are hoping to land him.

5. Andrew Whitworth - OT - LSU
Agile senior left tackle continued a strong postseason with an effort at the NFL Combine that surprised many scouts. His workout elevated him into the second tier of tackles. He has earned a solid second round grade. He is a fine athlete with good durability, footwork, balance and the wingspan to be a fine pass protector on either side of the line. He has bulked up to 334 pounds without losing any quickness. He ran a 5.15 40-yard dash at the Combine. He has the athletic package that scouts seek in a left tackle prospect. He could hear his name at the middle of the first day.

6. Joe Toledo - OT - Washington
Agile, powerful senior tackle continued a strong postseason with a nice effort at the NFL Combine after a solid week at the East-West Bowl in January. He has good footwork, balance and the wingspan to be a fine pass protector on the right side. He has bulked up to over 330 lbs. He has good quickness after playing at tight end early in his college career. He has the athletic package that scouts seek in a power right tackle prospect and he could hear his name at the end of the first day. He ranks in the top 100 prospects Draft.

7. Chris Chester - C - Oklahoma
Athletic senior pivot man has risen up the charts as fast as any prospect in this class. Chester has the talent and nice level of development to challenge for a starting job fairly early in his NFL career. He has quick feet and the speed to get to the second level and block linebackers after starting his career as a tight end. He has the size to handle big defensive tackles in single assignments and is moving up the charts quickly. He figures in the late first day at this point.

8. Brodrick Bunkley - DT – Florida State
This explosive, mobile and physical defensive tackle is moving up draft charts quickly after a great performance at the Senior Bowl and NFL Combine. He came on strong over his final season, displaying the explosiveness in the middle to disrupt blocking schemes. He is a tough, mobile wide body with fine initial quickness that combines excellent functional strength and sound technique. He has the package to become a fine NFL starter and a force in the middle. He is well-suited for either pro scheme. He has moved up quickly and could now go in the top 10. Clubs like the Rams, Browns and Ravens hope he slides to them in the middle of the first round.

9. Antonio Cromartie - CB - Florida State
Fast junior cover man has the rare athletic package to develop into a fine NFL cornerback. He has rare size, speed and quickness with the toughness and tackling ability to support the run. He has the ball instincts to become a top cover man, capable of matching up with the big, playmaking receivers that dominate the pro game currently. He has the makings of a fine shutdown pro cornerback with some development. He is one of the fastest rising prospects off a great effort at the NFL Combine and FSU workout that could move him into the middle of the first round.

10. Johnathan Joseph - CB - South Carolina
Fast junior cornerback had a huge NFL Combine and late workout. He has good size with fine speed, quickness and agility to match up with the fastest receivers. He should be one of the surprise first-day picks this April. He has the package to become a good cover man despite limited playing experience. He looks like a guaranteed top-50 selection with skills that should earn him playing time as a nickel corner as a rookie. He has the talent to become a full-time starter within a short time.

Looks like Whitworth is being noticed by more than just Charger fans :Bolt:

SillyBoltsFan
04-15-2006, 07:23 PM
and on the flip side...

Ten Rising, Ten Falling (Part 2)
By NFL Draft Staff – Rivals.com

Ten Falling Prospects
1. Mathias Kiwanuka - DE - Boston College
Big, athletic defender has failed to hold his high draft position over his final season. He sustained a knee injury that hindered his senior production. He returned to the field despite being less than 100%. At the NFL Combine, he had a very average workout with poor strength numbers. He did not help himself at the Senior Bowl either, which pushed him further down in the first round. His private workout was an improvement, but he lost a huge opportunity to impress against top competition. He remains a first-round pick at this point but he must answer a lot of questions about durability, strength and level of development. He is considered a risky selection at this point.

2. LenDale White - RB - USC
Tough junior tailback failed to impress this offseason at the USC workout. He did not work out at the NFL Combine. He checked in at his workout at 244 pounds and was not impressive in any area after a fine but short career. His marginal speed will probably push him to the late first round. He has the package to become an NFL feature back but probably needs some additional time in the passing game. He could be one of the real bargains of the draft if he gets time to develop his ability as a receiver and blocker. His intangibles have been questioned but his toughness and determination when he has the ball - especially in the red zone - are among the best runners in recent memory.

3. Marcus McNeill - OT - Auburn
Massive senior tackle is one of the most disputed prospects in this class. He had a fine career in the SEC manning the left tackle position. As with many tall offensive linemen, he needs to improve his leverage and knee bend. In addition, his needs strength improvement to maximize his size. He may have to move to right tackle as a pro. These liabilities have probably cost him a first-round grade. His lack of overall strength made him susceptible to power players - and the inside move in particular. He probably goes in the second round after an average postseason.

4. A.J. Nicholson- LB - Florida State
Talented senior linebacker had some late off-the-field problems that hurt his grade. He also missed any all-star game action as a result. He also failed to impress at the NFL Combine. His workout at FSU was slightly better than the Combine performance, but not to the point to validate a first day selection. He is a playmaker with fine athleticism and the ability to chase and tackle. He can also drop in coverage. In this deep linebacker class, he probably falls to the second day where he could end up being a steal. He carries a starting grade off his athleticism and production over his career, but must prove his problems are behind him.

5. Claude Wroten - DT - LSU
Quick, powerful tackle had a productive two-year Division I career that ranked him among the top prospects at the position. He has come up big against top competition, where his powerful frame and quickness allowed him to make plays as both a pass rusher and run defender. He impressed athletically in his recent LSU workout after sitting out the NFL Combine workout. He had some major off the field problems that will probably take him off the board of some clubs. If he proves his troubles are behind him, he could be the steal of the draft. He ranks with the top tackles and carries an early NFL starting grade off a strong SEC career.

6. Elvis Dumervil - DE - Louisville
Record-setting pass rusher has seen his stock fall significantly this postseason. He had a very productive college career, but failed to impress during the key postseason events. He struggled against top offensive tackles and ran average speed numbers that will push him to the second day of the draft. He is a tough athlete with good intangibles, but his size and athletic limitations may force him to be a role defender in the NFL. He will have to step up and prove he can separate from top blockers at the next level. He most likely falls to the second day of the draft.

7. Jonathan Scott - OT - Texas
Big, mobile left tackle struggled over the postseason against top competition. His performance at the Senior Bowl drew more questions about his ability to play the left tackle spot. He has adequate footwork for the left side and relied on a huge physical advantage weekly to dominate as a collegian. He was a sure top-50 selection or possible first-round pick prior to the postseason, but could slide to the late first day off some positional concerns.

8. Tim Day - TE - Oregon
Mobile senior tight end has been a fine performer for the Ducks offense over recent seasons, showing sure hands and the speed to stretch the field. He has been a major factor when used as a receiver near the goal line. His blocking has been only adequate and hurts his final grade. In this very deep tight end class, he will fall because of his one-dimensional receiving label. He may last until the second day of the draft. He needs to improve both his technique and strength to be a complete player. He may be limited to an H-back role early in his career.

9. Jesse Mahelona - DT - Tennessee
Quick, smallish tackle had a productive Division I college career that ranked him among the top prospects at the position. He came up short though against top competition - especially at the Senior Bowl where his marginal size was exploited. He failed to impress athletically in his recent Tennessee workout and did not participate at the NFL Combine workout. He will not warrant better than a late first day selection in April and could fall to the second day.

10. Jimmy Williams - CB - Virginia Tech
Big, athletic senior cornerback was considered a possible top-10 selection entering his final season but failed to impress in many areas. He has not shown well-developed technique or instincts related to zone coverage. He can be slow to react and reckless at times, making him vulnerable to big plays. He had an average workout at Virginia Tech from a speed and agility standpoint. He is not a quick twitch player and his ability to make the transition in coverage is suspect against NFL-caliber receivers. He has the size and athleticism to move to free safety where he carries a starting grade, but he must go through a learning curve at a new position. He probably goes late in the first round, but is not in the top 15 prospects in a deep cornerback class.

Scott could be a nice pick-up if the Chargers could pick him up in the 3rd. Williams is one I hope the Chargers definitely pass on.

thefreak676
04-15-2006, 09:59 PM
what about trading down a few spots and landing cromartie from fsu.....he is big and athletic and could fill a big hole.......and maybe we could pick up some draft picks at the same time........

TJ21
04-16-2006, 01:08 AM
I wasn't aware Joe Toledo stock went up so much... damn my mock draft!

nflphd
04-16-2006, 09:37 AM
and on the flip side...

Ten Rising, Ten Falling (Part 2)
By NFL Draft Staff – Rivals.com

Ten Falling Prospects
1. Mathias Kiwanuka - DE - Boston College
Big, athletic defender has failed to hold his high draft position over his final season. He sustained a knee injury that hindered his senior production. He returned to the field despite being less than 100%. At the NFL Combine, he had a very average workout with poor strength numbers. He did not help himself at the Senior Bowl either, which pushed him further down in the first round. His private workout was an improvement, but he lost a huge opportunity to impress against top competition. He remains a first-round pick at this point but he must answer a lot of questions about durability, strength and level of development. He is considered a risky selection at this point.

2. LenDale White - RB - USC
Tough junior tailback failed to impress this offseason at the USC workout. He did not work out at the NFL Combine. He checked in at his workout at 244 pounds and was not impressive in any area after a fine but short career. His marginal speed will probably push him to the late first round. He has the package to become an NFL feature back but probably needs some additional time in the passing game. He could be one of the real bargains of the draft if he gets time to develop his ability as a receiver and blocker. His intangibles have been questioned but his toughness and determination when he has the ball - especially in the red zone - are among the best runners in recent memory.

3. Marcus McNeill - OT - Auburn
Massive senior tackle is one of the most disputed prospects in this class. He had a fine career in the SEC manning the left tackle position. As with many tall offensive linemen, he needs to improve his leverage and knee bend. In addition, his needs strength improvement to maximize his size. He may have to move to right tackle as a pro. These liabilities have probably cost him a first-round grade. His lack of overall strength made him susceptible to power players - and the inside move in particular. He probably goes in the second round after an average postseason.

4. A.J. Nicholson- LB - Florida State
Talented senior linebacker had some late off-the-field problems that hurt his grade. He also missed any all-star game action as a result. He also failed to impress at the NFL Combine. His workout at FSU was slightly better than the Combine performance, but not to the point to validate a first day selection. He is a playmaker with fine athleticism and the ability to chase and tackle. He can also drop in coverage. In this deep linebacker class, he probably falls to the second day where he could end up being a steal. He carries a starting grade off his athleticism and production over his career, but must prove his problems are behind him.

5. Claude Wroten - DT - LSU
Quick, powerful tackle had a productive two-year Division I career that ranked him among the top prospects at the position. He has come up big against top competition, where his powerful frame and quickness allowed him to make plays as both a pass rusher and run defender. He impressed athletically in his recent LSU workout after sitting out the NFL Combine workout. He had some major off the field problems that will probably take him off the board of some clubs. If he proves his troubles are behind him, he could be the steal of the draft. He ranks with the top tackles and carries an early NFL starting grade off a strong SEC career.

6. Elvis Dumervil - DE - Louisville
Record-setting pass rusher has seen his stock fall significantly this postseason. He had a very productive college career, but failed to impress during the key postseason events. He struggled against top offensive tackles and ran average speed numbers that will push him to the second day of the draft. He is a tough athlete with good intangibles, but his size and athletic limitations may force him to be a role defender in the NFL. He will have to step up and prove he can separate from top blockers at the next level. He most likely falls to the second day of the draft.

7. Jonathan Scott - OT - Texas
Big, mobile left tackle struggled over the postseason against top competition. His performance at the Senior Bowl drew more questions about his ability to play the left tackle spot. He has adequate footwork for the left side and relied on a huge physical advantage weekly to dominate as a collegian. He was a sure top-50 selection or possible first-round pick prior to the postseason, but could slide to the late first day off some positional concerns.

8. Tim Day - TE - Oregon
Mobile senior tight end has been a fine performer for the Ducks offense over recent seasons, showing sure hands and the speed to stretch the field. He has been a major factor when used as a receiver near the goal line. His blocking has been only adequate and hurts his final grade. In this very deep tight end class, he will fall because of his one-dimensional receiving label. He may last until the second day of the draft. He needs to improve both his technique and strength to be a complete player. He may be limited to an H-back role early in his career.

9. Jesse Mahelona - DT - Tennessee
Quick, smallish tackle had a productive Division I college career that ranked him among the top prospects at the position. He came up short though against top competition - especially at the Senior Bowl where his marginal size was exploited. He failed to impress athletically in his recent Tennessee workout and did not participate at the NFL Combine workout. He will not warrant better than a late first day selection in April and could fall to the second day.

10. Jimmy Williams - CB - Virginia Tech
Big, athletic senior cornerback was considered a possible top-10 selection entering his final season but failed to impress in many areas. He has not shown well-developed technique or instincts related to zone coverage. He can be slow to react and reckless at times, making him vulnerable to big plays. He had an average workout at Virginia Tech from a speed and agility standpoint. He is not a quick twitch player and his ability to make the transition in coverage is suspect against NFL-caliber receivers. He has the size and athleticism to move to free safety where he carries a starting grade, but he must go through a learning curve at a new position. He probably goes late in the first round, but is not in the top 15 prospects in a deep cornerback class.

Scott could be a nice pick-up if the Chargers could pick him up in the 3rd. Williams is one I hope the Chargers definitely pass on.
I still think LenDale is going to be a a solid back in the NFL.

Chargeroo
04-16-2006, 05:19 PM
I still think LenDale is going to be a a solid back in the NFL.
I do too. I watched him break a lot of tackles. He'll be a darn good back for whoever takes him. He's a big back too, the other highly rated backs in this years draft are all 20-25 lbs. less than White.

56lightsout56
04-16-2006, 07:06 PM
here is a great view of the Bolts needs and what they should look at on the first day from loren casuto at nfl draft blitz:

San Diego Chargers
By: Loren S. Casuto (LSethC712@hotmail.com)
4/11/06
The NFL Draft is coming up and with the recent pro workouts, a larger draft board for the Chargers in the first, second and third rounds, as well as interesting pick-ups in Day 2 is in order. First of all, what are the Chargers looking for and in what order are their needs?
<LI class=MsoNormal>Offensive Tackle: It can not be said enough that the Chargers need to find a future left tackle and, in all likeliness, someone who can play right tackle. Roman Oben is in his mid 30s and is coming off of a major injury. Shane Olivea has played well at right tackle but with his size, he would be better off at right guard. Leander Jordan is not an acceptable backup as he can not pass block well and tires late in the game. OT Cory Lekkerkerker is still very raw and it’s debatable whether he can become an effective tackle. With a new quarterback at the helm, Rivers will need added time to make the correct read and throw the ball. And with the best running back in football, you need someone to open good sized holes for him. <LI class=MsoNormal>Cornerback: Safety is not an issue right now with the re-signing of Clinton Hart and the acquisition of Marlon Mcree. The cornerback position has been a disaster for the last three years; Quentin Jammer, the fifth overall pick in 2002, has improved over the last few years but is not the shut down corner he was expected to be. Sammy Davis, the Chargers first round selection in 2003, has been atrocious whenever he’s been in the lineup, getting beat for short, intermediate and long plays over and over again. The Chargers second round selection in 2003, Drayton Florence, has flashed ability but is very inconsistent and has been injured numerous times. With Jamar Fletcher leaving in free agency the Chargers, at the bare minimum, need a dime back, and at maximum, need to replace most of the secondary. <LI class=MsoNormal>Nose Tackle: The Chargers have an all pro NT in Jamal Williams. Williams is a strong load at 349lbs who can move the pile and draw double teams constantly. However, Jamal is only one man and even with two healthy years under his belt, he does have an injury history. A backup nose tackle is of great importance in order to keep Jamal fresh late in the game. Currently Defensive Ends Jacque Cesaire and Luis Castillo rotate at NT and both need to stay at DE. <LI class=MsoNormal>Wide Receiver: This is probably the most publicized need of the Chargers, but definitely not their priority. Keenan McCardell and Eric Parker make for an effective starting pair with Vincent Jackson (the Chargers 2nd rounder in 2005) and Kassim Osgood in reserve. None of these receivers are deep threats nor are the typical #1 receiver, but then again with Antonio Gates, does a team really need one? The Chargers should consider finding a deep threat to eventually replace Keenan McCardell but that’s an unlikely proposition in this draft.
Offensive Guard: Kris Dielman is raw but the Chargers like his attitude and drive. Mike Goff is a good finesse blocker but for a RG he has little push. The Chargers lost backup G Bob Hallen and G Wes Sims is unproven. This problem could be partially fixed by moving Shane Olivea to RG and Mike Goff to the bench, but it quantifies the offensive tackle issue. At the least, more depth is needed. With that in mind, this is who the Charger front office, as well as fans, should be looking at for each round and day two (in no particular order).

1st Round Draft Board
<LI class=MsoNormal>Winston Justice OT USC: This is a dream pick; Justice should be taken earlier then #19 especially in light of his recent pro day. He’s got great feet, is a solid pass and run blocker and has a lot of upside and potential. Justice could step in now at RT and take over eventually at LT. AJ Smith has to decide if his history and character are equal to his talent and upside. <LI class=MsoNormal>Tye Hill CB Clemson: Hill has amazing speed, decent ball-hawking skills and is a solid man-to-man cover corner. He’s on the small side and needs experience in zone coverage (which the Chargers do use from time to time) but he’s got a lot of potential and upside. <LI class=MsoNormal>Marcus McNeil OT Auburn: McNeil has fallen on many draft boards due to injury concerns with his back (though few scouts are worried about them) and his lack of a killer instinct. Nevertheless McNeil is a colossus sized tackle with great skills in pass and run blocking, a massive wing span and good speed. His talent plus his intangibles make him a very tempting pick even with the concerns. <LI class=MsoNormal>Jason Allen CB/S Tennessee: His versatility is his calling card; he’s got good speed, can locate the ball well and is solid against the run. The injury hasn’t affected his ability like previously thought and his great workout and performance at the combine have shot him up to the first round. The problem is what would you do with him? He needs time to learn one position and is master of neither.
Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State: If the Chargers pick him here, it’s solely a BPA (best player available) pick. He’s got the speed, the catching ability and the toughness to truly be a #1 receiver but needs to tone down his attitude.2nd Round Draft Board
1. Daryn Colledge OT Boise State: College is a small school prospect with a lot of talent. Right now he is undersized for a tackle (295) but he is solid in pass protection and has a great attitude and work ethic. He would need a year to improve his strength, his bulk and his run blocking. And though he is a better fit in a zone blocking system, he’s still talented enough to be a solid tackle for the Chargers.
2. Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma: The Chargers like LG Kris Dielman but Joseph is the finest and most polished guard in the draft. He’s an outstanding run and pass blocker with a great attitude and drive. He struggles in space and has sub-standard footwork, but his positives suggest he could be as good as Steve Hutchinson.
3. Max Jean-Giles OL Georgia: I am not that big of a Jean-Giles fan as he reminds me in some ways of Chargers bust Toniu Fonoti. Giles must keep his weight under control and his head constantly in the game. That being said he’s still a mountain of a man and an absolutely dominating run blocker with good feet. If the Chargers seriously want to keep Olivea at RT, which is a possibility, then they need a better guard to replace Goff.
4. Danieal Manning CB/S Abilene Christian: He’s the top sleeper in the draft period. A fantastic ball hawk that is a threat to take it to the house every time he gets his hands on the ball. A lot of people think of Manning as a poor man’s Ed Reed and though he’s from a small school, he is outstanding all around. He could also, conceivably, be moved to corner and be successful like another small school prospect; Jaguars CB Rashead Mathis.
5. Demetrius Williams (http://condraft.com/player.php?id=748) WR Oregon: Williams has had little stability at the quarterback position throughout his career with the Ducks and yet has still had a solid career. He’s a quick receiver who, if you throw the ball up to, will come down with it and he’s very effective at beating the jam. The jury’s out whether he’d ever become a true #1 with a lack of true speed and poor route running, but he’s very talented.

56lightsout56
04-16-2006, 07:07 PM
heres the other part:


3rd Round Draft Board
1. Andrew Whitworth OT LSU: A pure right tackle from the bayou. He’s a big nasty mauler who never quits and specializes in run blocking, but is also decent in pass blocking and an OL leader. He’s a marginal athlete with a lower upside then many of his peers, but many scouts feel you could shove Whitworth in at right tackle and sleep easy at night.
2. Babatunde Oshinowo NT Stanford: This is a bit higher then he should be going but he would fit perfectly as a 3-4 NT. Very intelligent, very coachable and specializes in jamming up the middle and taking on blockers. Does need to gain some weight, has no pass rush ability and has a real lack of aggression, but his other qualities ensure he can play the critical nose tackle position.
3. Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame: In many ways, Stovall is very similar to Vincent Jackson. Stovall is a very big target with decent, but not elite, speed that uses his big frame effectively and can go up and get anything in his area. He does have issues maintaining focus throughout the game and for all his talent, he only played to his ability in his senior year, which means he will need to be coached and baby-sat throughout his rookie year.
4. Jonathan Scott OT Texas: A player that truly fell from grace, Scott was once thought to be a first rounder and has first round talent. He can pass block very effectively, has fantastic footwork and is a durable and smart player who blocked for the national champions. But Scott is the definition of an underachiever who has never taken his game to another level. He also is not a very good run blocker, has no aggression or mean streak and must get stronger (he put up a paltry 11 reps at the combine).
5. Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State: A starter with the Nittany Lions, Zemaitis has good instincts and ball hawking ability combined with solid tackling. He’s also very intelligent and very hardworking, drawing comparisons to Ronde Barber of the Buccaneers. Zemaitis is not very fast and prefers to play in zone, which the Chargers do not use. As such he might be a better fit in a cover 2 then in the Chargers bump-and-run scheme.

Day 2 Pick-Ups
- Martin Nance WR Miami (OH) (4th): Ben Rothlisberger’s favorite target in college. Had a major knee injury in 2004 and does not have pure speed, but he is another big target with good hands and good speed. Would be a great compliment to Vincent Jackson.
- Adam Stenavich OL Michigan (4th): A former left tackle who is solid at pass and run blocking, has a great attitude and drive but is very slow on his feet and has trouble with speed rushers. Might have to move inside to left guard.
- Drew Olsen QB UCLA (5th): Not the strongest QB but has good enough of an arm and great accuracy. No team should be happy with AJ Feeley as the backup.
- Dwayne Slay S Texas Tech (5th-6th): It seems like every time he hits someone, he causes a fumble. Excels at run stuffing and plays with great intensity and a high motor, but is very slow. Reminds a lot of scouts of Ernest Shazour last year, whose lack of speed killed his draft stock. Could benefit from a move to ILB.
- Steve Fifita NT Utah (5-6th): Incredibly strong player with good bulk who uses it to disrupt the middle. Is rather short (5’11) and struggles with inconsistency, but he is tailor made for a 3-4 NT.
- Marques Colston WR Hofstra (6th): Similar in many ways to Larry Brackens in last year’s draft. He’s got great size (6’4) and is very effective at using his body, but his speed is only adequate and he’s never played against top talent.
- John Walker CB USC (6th): Very raw and aggressive corner with a ton of natural talent. Needs a lot of coaching but has incredible upside.
- Jay McCareins CB/S Princeton (6th-7th): I am a very big fan of his. He has not played against top competition, does not have great timed speed and is ineffective against the run. McCareins has outstanding ball-hawking ability, great versatility and is a threat to score every time he touches the ball. Also is a kick and punt returner.
- Willie Hall OT Middle Tennessee State (7th): A four year starter at left tackle with great feet, decent pass blocking moves and a lot of upside. He has not played against great competition and needs to get stronger, but he has the possibility of being a solid left tackle.
To those Charger fans that are unhappy with what General Manager AJ Smith has done this off-season, take heart. If there is one area that AJ Smith truly thrives in, it’s the NFL Draft. As 2004 and 2005 have shown, AJ just has a natural ability to get players that will help the team. Next article I will do a full draft for the San Diego Chargers.

Shamrock
04-16-2006, 07:38 PM
The writer is a UT poster and does well for the most part.

Why he still is infatuated with Marcus McNeill is beyond me ....

RMANCIL
04-17-2006, 02:26 AM
NFL draft: Mocking up the first round (http://http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060416/SPORTS11/60416002)

By DAVE GOLDBERG

A friend of mine who worked for a Dallas newspaper in 1988 is still angry that Gil Brandt, then the personnel director of the Dallas Cowboys, told him the Cowboys absolutely, positively wouldn't draft Michael Irvin with the 11th overall pick.

Funny, because everyone else seemed to know Irvin was headed for Dallas. Brandt, who now works for the NFL, was just doing his job - fabricating. So my friend sent Irvin somewhere else in his mock draft and is still angry about it.

Get over it.

Mock drafts are just that - MOCK. The only GM who ever told me the truth at this time of year was the late John Butler, who was with Buffalo in 1997. The Bills drafted 25th and Butler never thought Antowain Smith would drop that far. So he told me he would love to take him. He fell and Butler took him.

GMs also do silly things, like rave about workouts, forgetting the game is played in pads, not shorts. So a lot of guys who are drafted high end up flopping and a lot of guys drafted low end up as stars.

Go back 10 years. Ray Lewis was drafted 26th overall, Marvin Harrison was 19th, Ted Bruschi was 86th and Terrell Owens 89th. Some of the guys who went in the top 15? Cedric Jones, Lawrence Phillips, Tim Biakabutuka, Rickey Dudley, Alex Molden. And more.

As of now, this is how the first round might go when the draft starts.

It will change by April 29.

Maybe a lot.

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1. HOUSTON. Sort of a guarantee. REGGIE BUSH, RB, Southern Cal. He plays well in uniform, does well at workouts. Hope he doesn't get killed by the Texans' OL.

2. NEW ORLEANS. They don't want Matt Leinart because they traded for Drew Brees. Still, They'll either trade this pick to the Jets or Titans or take D'BRICKASHAW FERGUSON, OT, Virginia. Leinart's people, big-time L.A. showbiz types, want him in the limelight and are trying to get him to New York.

3. TENNESSEE. They might have to get up to block the Jets to take MATT LEINART, QB, Southern Cal. But don't believe the Vince Young rumors. Norm Chow, Tennessee's offensive coordinator, was at USC with Leinart.

4. NEW YORK JETS. They also have the 29th overall pick and could use that to help get up to No. 2. If they are thwarted in trade attempts, they have to hope Chad Pennington recovers or Patrick Ramsey can play. MARIO WILLIAMS, DE, North Carolina State to replace John Abraham.

5. GREEN BAY. Like the Jets, they'll be bad this year whatever they do. And they'll probably be bad for a while because if Brett Favre plays this year, he probably won't in 2007. So they'll need defense. A.J. HAWK, LB, Ohio State.

6. SAN FRANCISCO. Yeah, they won five Super Bowls in 15 years. But the last one was more than a decade ago. The defense isn't bad, so VERNON DAVIS, TE, Maryland, is a good pick at a position that's in vogue these days.

7. OAKLAND. One of the good things about the Raiders is that they don't get paralyzed by overanalysis, like Wonderlic scores. Just watch the Rose Bowl and forget the blah-blah-blah. VINCE YOUNG, QB, Texas

8. BUFFALO. One of the bad things the Bills did a year ago was let Pat Williams go to the Vikings. Williams is listed at 320 pounds. Maybe 420? Whatever. HALOTI NGATA, DT, Oregon, is listed at 339 or 345. Does that mean he's 439 or 445? Take him.

9. DETROIT. The Ms have taken wide receivers the last three years and none has really worked out. MIKE HUFF, DB, Texas could go earlier. If not, he's certain to go here. M's? Matt Millen has hired Marty Mornhinweg, Steve Mariucci and Rod Marinelli as coaches and Mike Martz as offensive coordinator.

10. ARIZONA. No matter how good Larry Fitzgerald is (very) they should have taken a QB when they had a shot at Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger two years ago because Kurt Warner won't hold up for a season. Try to protect him. WINSTON JUSTICE, OT, Southern Cal.

11. ST. LOUIS. They replaced Martz with Scott Linehan, another offensive "genius." They need defense especially at tackle. BRANDON BUNKLEY, DT, Florida State to help Jimmy Kennedy, one of many high-pick DTs who hasn't quite worked out.

12. CLEVELAND. Phil Savage, the GM, and Romeo Crennel, the coach, seem to have had a good offseason. JIMMY WILLIAMS, db, Virginia Tech, is a big cornerback who could be a safety.

13. BALTIMORE. Kerry Collins is out there waiting to be reunited with Jim Fassel, the Ravens' offensive coordinator. Not after they take JAY CUTLER, QB, Vanderbilt.

14. PHILADELPHIA. The Eagles couldn't wait to let T.O. go, but they'll acknowledge that it left a void on the field. Most highly touted Florida receivers turn out no better than ordinary - Spurrier system guys who don't quite conquer the NFL. Maybe CHAD JACKSON, WR, Florida is different.

15. DENVER. The Broncos usually find their running backs off some scrap heap. The rare first-round Denver running back might be DeANGELO WILLIAMS, RB, Memphis.

16. MIAMI. Sam Madison was a salary cap casualty. JONATHAN JOSEPH, CB, South Carolina. Or another cornerback. Who knows?

17. MINNESOTA. A lot of good defensive players left, like ERNIE SIMS, LB, Florida State.

18. DALLAS. Roy Williams is a ferocious hitter - they changed the rules to keep him from using the "horsecollar" tackle. But he can use a partner who can cover. DONTE WITNER, S, Ohio State.

19. SAN DIEGO. When your best receiver is 36-year-old Keenan McCardell, you need young speed. SANTONIO HOLMES, WR, Ohio State.

20. KANSAS CITY. When your defense has to be overhauled every year, why not overhaul it with fresh blood. TYE HILL, CB, Clemson.

21. NEW ENGLAND. Bill Belichick was a young assistant in the Meadowlands when Rob Carpenter was the Giants' running back. Rob's son, BOBBY CARPENTER, LB, Ohio State is the thinking man's kind of player Belichick loves.

22. DENVER. Rod Smith is aging and Ashley Lelie is, to be kind, inconsistent. SINORICE MOSS, WR, Miami, may not be as good as his brother Santana, but he's the fastest guy out there.

23. TAMPA BAY. Even when the Bucs won the Super Bowl, they had a shaky offensive line. ERIC WINSTON, OT, Miami, giving the Hurricanes two in a row. Nothing new there.

24. CINCINNATI. No one in Cincinnati remembers when the Bengals drafted this low. But they need defense to stay here. JASON ALLEN, S, Tennessee.

25. NEW YORK GIANTS. If they sign LaVar Arrington, which might happen, they may not need CHAD GREENWAY, LB, Iowa, as much.

26. CHICAGO. The receivers are gone. So they take the new kind of receiver, MARCEDES LEWIS, TE, UCLA, one of those catching tight ends who don't block much.

27. CAROLINA. Hot news. John Fox had dinner the other night with LenDale White, the Southern Cal running back who showed up overweight and out of shape at his workout. Why not: LENDALE WHITE, RB, Southern Cal.

28. JACKSONVILLE. First-round centers are rare. But the Jaguars need offense. NICK MANGOLD, C, Ohio State. Hey, why didn't the Buckeyes at least win the Big Ten title?

29. NEW YORK JETS. This pick could be in New Orleans if the Jets make the Leinart deal. If not, LAURENCE MARONEY, RB, Minnesota as Curtis Martin reaches the end of the line.

30. INDIANAPOLIS. Maybe JOSEPH ADDAI, RB, LSU, is Edgerrin James.

31. SEATTLE. No Steve Hutchinson, so Mike Holmgren will try to shuffle his line to replace him. DAVIN JOSEPH, G, Oklahoma might figure in the mix even though most teams don't like guards in the first round.

32. PITTSBURGH. Troy Polamalu is a stud safety from Southern Cal. DARNELL BING, S, Southern Cal.

RMANCIL
04-17-2006, 02:31 AM
No Dodging the Hype as Draft Day Nears (http://http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/sports/football/16spin.html)

So much happened during the spin cycle from January to April, yet none of it seemed to matter for quarterback Vince Young.

At the beginning, Young's performance for Texas in the Rose Bowl caused talent scouts to place him immediately at the head of the N.F.L.'s draft class, next to Southern California running back Reggie Bush, though neither had announced plans to leave college after their junior seasons.

On April 7, Young was paraded around the Texans' gleaming facility in Houston, feted with a news conference and handed fistfuls of team gear as he left.

But in the days between, his reputation repeatedly dipped and arced: rocked by sudden doubts about everything from his arm motion to his intelligence, then rejuvenated by an impressive throwing exhibition in front of an estimated 130 N.F.L. team officials at the University of Texas.

Young's turbulent venture is typical of the process for many potential draft picks. The months between the last college football game and the first pick of the draft — April 29 this year — are flooded with the murky waters of hype and spin, which sometimes threaten to drown out talent and ability.

All it takes to change the perception of a player is a good time in the 40-yard dash or a bad score on an aptitude exam, whispers of a dazzling workout in front of scouts or damaging gossip floated by someone with an agenda. At stake are millions of dollars in contracts and, possibly, the long-range championship aspirations of franchises.

In the end, the biggest draft question is not just who will be chosen by whom. It is also whether the preceding buzz really matters, or whether the past few months have been little more than an alluring sideshow for the news media and fans.

"You focus nothing on the media coverage of the ups and downs," Texans General Manager Charley Casserly said in a telephone interview. "You make your own evaluation. It's totally ignored."

Others are less dismissive. To them, the swings of speculation are something to watch, if not follow.

"In a perfect world, we would be more even-keeled," Green Bay General Manager Ted Thompson said. "But I will say that we all get carried away with the numbers sometimes and chase the ghosts."

Teams, of course, direct the draft hype, too. The day before Young visited the Texans, Bush was their guest. Each was marched through the headquarters and trotted before cameras and reporters. The Texans will select only one of them — or, perhaps, neither.

Asked if teams, in general, use smokescreens to hide their intentions, Casserly said: "There is an element of that in this, no question. There always has been."

Predicting the draft is a foggy endeavor. It entails trying to assess the strengths and weaknesses of hundreds of college football players, and matching them with the mostly private thoughts and perceived needs of 32 N.F.L. teams in a preordained draft order.

This exercise befuddles even those paid as draft analysts. Three weeks before last year's draft, Mel Kiper Jr. of ESPN, the most famous of the lot, predicted correctly two of the first 21 actual selections. The player many thought would be chosen first, California quarterback Aaron Rodgers, was selected 24th — and received a contract with a reported $18.6 million less in guaranteed money than that of the top pick.

But an inability to solve the draft puzzle does not slow — and may inspire — the fascination that manifests itself in everything from talk-radio rants and numbing blogger analysis to draft-specific magazines and hours of scuttlebutt on "SportsCenter."

Helping whet the appetite for draft news is a cast of agents, general managers, scouts and other so-called experts, each with a motive to draw or to deflect attention, to inform or to confuse. "This is the 'World Series of Poker' meets sports," the agent Don Yee said. "It is reality TV at its finest."

Players manipulate the system by choosing how and when to perform. The top prospects often skip the N.F.L. scouting combine in February, seeing little advantage in competing against hundreds of others. Instead, they force teams to come to them to witness well-scripted workouts.

In extreme cases, players warn specific teams that they will not play for them, as Archie Manning did two years ago with the San Diego Chargers in steering his quarterback son Eli to the Giants.

Teams, while guarding their draft-day intentions, invite players to their headquarters for tours, interviews, testing and hobnobbing. Some invite reporters; others try to keep the visits secret, further muddying their motives.

Agents, who get a cut of their clients' contracts, try to attract attention for their players — "I'm just a carnival barker," the agent Gary Wichard said — and steer them through the humbling analysis. The search for the perfect draft choice is largely a search for imperfections.

"Players get destroyed," the agent Ben Dogra said. "You could say you're going to draft the pope, and someone would say he's too old. Draft Santa Claus, and someone would say he wouldn't fit down the chimney."

Riding shotgun are the news media and the fans, who hyperanalyze and spread every tidbit of information, much of it floated anonymously.

"There's not much of a governing body here," said U.S.C. Coach Pete Carroll, a former Jets coach. "It's gamesmanship. This is competition for everybody."

Two years ago, U.S.C. defensive lineman Kenechi Udeze was widely considered a top-10 draft pick. Weeks before the draft, concerns over a past shoulder injury arose quietly after word spread that Udeze had skipped a medical evaluation. Carroll called teams to assure them that Udeze was healthy, but he fell to No. 19.

That is the way players are categorized in the symmetry of the draft: some rise, others fall. Some bristle at such barometers.

"Players will ask, 'Am I moving up?' " the agent Ethan Lock said. "And I say: 'From where? Where were you?' Moses hasn't come down and said where they rank. There is not a unified draft board in the sky."

Most teams do not sit down to rank the players and match them with their needs until April, some not in earnest until two weeks before the draft. Until then, the speculation has little context.

"Obviously, some of the rumors out there are true and some are not," said James Harris, the Jacksonville Jaguars' vice president for player personnel. "I imagine people hear about some of the workouts, then I imagine that some of the agents put information out there so that their player's stock appears to be on the rise. Then somebody doesn't run well, so his stock supposedly drops. But for us, it's more of a process."

Teams have armies of scouts; the Giants, for example, list 15 scouts and personnel evaluators working behind General Manager Ernie Accorsi. Gil Brandt, the former vice president for player personnel for Dallas and now an nfl.com contributor, said team analysis is far more comprehensive than anything performed by draftniks. The perceived spikes and dips of players tend to be much smoother arcs in the teams' eyes.

"By and large, the grade that the full-time scouts give to players, they are pretty on the money," Brandt said.

Still, there is some truth to the postseason, predraft hype; if the months of analysis meant nothing, the draft could be held in January.

Last year, DeMarcus Ware, a little-known defensive end from Troy University, was said to have had a strong Senior Bowl and a good performance at the combine. In mock drafts, he climbed steadily from a projected middle-round choice to a possible first-rounder. The gossip underestimated his value; on draft day, the Cowboys chose Ware with the 11th pick.

This year, LenDale White, the bullish U.S.C. running back, may be caught in a bear market. Widely considered a top-15 choice in January, concerns about his weight and speed — and last week, reports of a hamstring tear — have led most prognosticators to drop him to the second round.

Rumors further the perception. Most Web sites devoted to the draft base their analysis on anonymous sources. The reports often have a gossipy tone, ranging from speculation about strength of workout performances to strength of character. Several recent reports said Florida's Chad Jackson had passed Ohio State's Santonio Holmes as the top receiver in the draft. They did not say by whose measure. But in the N.F.L draft culture, that type of speculation is common, leaving questions about the impact of such statements.

"No impact," said Joel Segal, an agent who represents Holmes, Bush and a couple of other potential first-round picks. "Prognosticators don't impact the draft."

Perhaps not directly, though the Packers' Thompson scans mock drafts, partly for fun, partly for clues.

Those mock drafts have had the Texans choosing Bush since they lost their last game to San Francisco in a contest deridingly called the Bush Bowl. Only the spiked interest in Young created any second thoughts.

Yet last Monday, the Texans played host to North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams. Bob McNair, the team's owner, told The Houston Chronicle that Williams could have as much impact on defense as Bush would on offense; Casserly said, "He's worthy of the first pick in the draft."

Truth or tease? Either way, it was spin. And the murky cycle continued

RMANCIL
04-17-2006, 03:20 AM
Contenders and Pretenders

As we draw near to draft day the Bolt draft is beginning to take focus.
The Chargers biggest needs are OT and CB.

This draft is loaded with DB and a good many are projected by experts to be worthy of a 1st round grade. I thought I would focus today on the DB.

First thing I want to get out of the way are DB that do not play CB , the Chargers will draft a CB in the top 2 rounds not a safety.

The list

Michael Huff, Texas projects at both safety and CB will be long gone before the S.D. selection. (S.D.Ron fav)

Jason Allen, Tennessee
Allen was named to the Associated Press All-American third-team in 2004. He opened the season at right cornerback before shifting to free safety for the rest of the year. Allen led the team with a career-high 123 tackles (88 solos), including two sacks and three stops behind the line of scrimmage. He recovered one fumble and caused three others. He had two interceptions and batted away five passes.

Allen shifted back to right corner back for his final season. He collected 35 tackles (28 solos) with a sack and three stops for losses while causing a fumble and deflecting two passes. A hip dislocation just before halftime of the Georgia contest would see Allen's season come to an abrupt end.

In 43 games at Tennessee, Allen started twelve times at free safety and fourteen times at right cornerback. He registered 220 tackles (162 solos) with three sacks for minus-25 yards and seven stops for losses of 35 yards. He caused five fumbles, recovered another and blocked a kick. He deflected eighteen passes and returned four interceptions for 24 yards.

With just a few days before the draft we now have reports of Allen failing a couple of team physicals.

I find that remarkable in that the teams have not been identified , fact is at this point it is fairly understandable that one leg will be stronger than the other and his combine results were off the chart with his bad leg he posted total numbers that were off the charts.

40 Yrd Dash: 4.39
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 17
Vertical Jump: 39 1/2
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.83
3-Cone Drill: 6.77

At Height: 6-1 Weight: 209 He has elite size

Red Flag injury Hip dislocation , what is the real story (http://http://www.totaljoints.info/DISLOCARION_totalhip.htm#5):?
The repeated dislocations always a serious matter

The first dislocation that occurred during the first three postoperative weeks and was treated accordingly has a low risk of recurrence: about 20 to 30 % during the next years.

After another (second) dislocation the risk that the total hip will continue dislocate increases substantially; according to some statistics about 50% of patients who had two dislocations will continue to dislocate their total hip repeatedly; this risk is especially high if the total hip operation was done through posterior approach or if the total hip is a model with a small femoral ball.




Jimmy Williams , Virginia Tech
Williams Height: 6-3 Weight: 213 has the great size and real good speed. He hits and has a nose for the ball. He is one of the most talented defenders in this draft and in my opinion in several drafts.

That said I don't think he will pass muster on the Charger draft board. A.J. Smith has taken into account character and locker room attitude in his player evaluations and Williams struggles with his emotions and maturity .

His interviews at the combine were very brash and while Terrel Owens may have been a example he thinks he wants to emulate , most GM and Smith in particular don't want to introduce a locker room cancer on to their team.

In 46 games for the Hokies, Williams started 32 times. He was credited with 239 tackles (138 solos) with an 11-yard sack, 13.5 stops for losses of 42 yards and two quarterback pressures. He recovered two fumbles and deflected 24 passes. He also gained 173 yards on eight interceptions, returning two for touchdowns.


40 Yrd Dash: 4.44
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 12
Vertical Jump: 33
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.15
3-Cone Drill: 6.69


to be cont...
Tye Hill, Clemson
Antonio Cromartie, Florida St, Jr.
Richard Marshall, Fresno St. Jr.
Jonathan Joseph, South Carolina, Jr.
Kelly Jennings, Miami
Cedric Griffin, Texas
Will Blackmon, Boston College
Ashton Youboty, Ohio State
Demario Minter, Georgia

RMANCIL
04-18-2006, 03:07 AM
NFL Notes: Titans deny breaching McNair contract (http://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2002936476_nfl18.html), says union
By The Associated Press



NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The Tennessee Titans deny they breached their contract with Steve McNair by not allowing the quarterback to work out on their property, a union spokesman said Monday.

The Titans defended themselves in a response to a grievance filed on McNair's behalf by the NFL Players Association on April 7.

The team counsel had declined to discuss the Titans' answer for why they allegedly told McNair on April 3 that they don't want him working out on their property.

"They've actually denied any wrongdoing in not permitting him to work at his place of employment while under contract," said Carl Francis, NFLPA director of communications. "At this point, we're moving forward to try to bring some remedy to this."

Francis said NFLPA general counsel Richard Berthelsen was reviewing the response to determine the union's next step. That could include asking for an expedited hearing before an arbitrator that could be held within 10 days.

This pretty much locks up that the Titans will draft a QB in the draft. Look for some type of settlement to be reached and I expect that the Ravens will get McNair to be their starting QB.

RMANCIL
04-18-2006, 03:12 AM
NFL Draft: Young positive he can wing it in NFL
QB confident he possesses NFL game (http://http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/267038_draft18.html)
By CLARE FARNSWORTH
P-I REPORTER


KIRKLAND -- Funky.

That's the word one NFL scout used to describe the throwing motion of University of Texas quarterback Vince Young.

Funky? That's passable when talking about the way someone dances, dresses or even smells. But when you're a quarterback hoping to be among the top three picks in next weekend's NFL draft, having someone dissect your delivery and produce that word could be taken as the ultimate insult.

Young, however, deflects such criticism the same way he sliced 'n' diced opposing defenses in leading the Longhorns to the national championship last season -- without breaking a sweat and while flashing the slightest hint of a smile.

"Sitting down with some of the coaches, hearing the different things they've been saying about my throwing motion, there's nothing really wrong with it," Young said at the NFL scouting combine.

"The media, that's who keeps talking about the throwing motion. There's nothing wrong with the throwing motion."

But it hasn't stopped the press from pressing the issue:

Do Young's mechanics need to be tinkered with?

"A lot of people talk about that," said Gary Kubiak, the rookie head coach of the Houston Texans and a former NFL quarterback. "Everybody throws the ball a little differently."



Is there a reason he will not be successful in the NFL?

"Absolutely not," Kubiak said. "I think he's going to be a great player."

With Kubiak, it's more about the end result than the delivery.

"The job he did at Texas and way he led that group tells you that he'll do it again," Kubiak said.

At times, especially in the national title game against USC, Young seemed to will the Longhorns to success as much as he led them.

"It's about results," Kubiak said. "If you're getting a result, you're probably not going to try to change a guy very much and let him do what he does."

Even if it does look, well, funky.

That's the dilemma Young presents. Teams might not want to draft him, but there's also the fear of not drafting him.

Like the Texans. They have David Carr, the quarterback who was the first pick overall in 2002, and are expected to use the top pick this year on USC running back Reggie Bush.

But by passing on Young, the Texans might have to face him twice a season for too many seasons if he goes to the division rival Tennessee Titans, who hold the third pick in the first round.

"Five years from now, Vince Young might be the player everybody talks about in this draft, even more so than Reggie Bush," said Rob Rang, an analyst for NFLDraftScout.com.

"But he could be the bust of the draft," Rang added.

Rang actually ranks Young as the third-best quarterback in the draft, behind Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler as well as the top-rated Matt Leinart of USC.

"It's more a combination of really liking Cutler and really being nervous about Young," Rang said.

Because of that throwing motion, which at times resembles a guy flicking darts. Rang is not alone.

Scott Linehan, the Rams' first-year head coach, supplies labels to the top of this year's QB class:


The proven guy -- Leinart, because he was 37-2 in three seasons as the starter at USC.


The phenom -- Young, because of the seemingly effortless way he plays the game and produces results.


The other guy -- Cutler, who, as Linehan put it, "was really off the map before he starts his career and, all of a sudden, he's the best quarterback in maybe the best conference in college football."

Linehan is from Sunnyside and was an assistant coach at the University of Washington and with the Minnesota Vikings and Miami Dolphins before being hired by the Rams in January.

Which order these three will go in all depends on whom you ask. Just don't ask Young any more questions about that throwing motion.

"I guess because I'm doing everything that's supposed to be done ... everybody's looking for something negative," he said. "I just want to continue being a positive person."


DRAFT 2006: QUARTERBACKS

A summary of the position heading into the April 29-30 NFL draft:


Best of the bunch

Player, school Ht Wt Projection
Matt Leinart, USC 6-4 224 Top 5, if not top 3 pick
Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt 6-3 223 Possible Top 10 pick
Vince Young, Texas 6-5 233 As high as No. 3
Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson 6-5 223 Early 3rd round
Brodie Croyle, Alabama 6-2 200 3rd round


(Rankings by Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com)


THE WORD: It's another in a seemingly endless series of either/or debates at this position: The more-polished Leinart? Or the more-athletic Young? What else is new? Last year, it was Alex Smith vs. Aaron Rodgers. In past drafts, it was Eli Manning vs. Phillip Rivers (2004); David Carr vs. Joey Harrington (2002); Peyton Manning vs. Ryan Leaf (1998); all the way back to Drew Bledsoe vs. Rick Mirer (1993), and beyond. Obviously, it does make a difference and this year that critical choice falls to the Tennessee Titans, who have the third pick overall and need a QB to replace Steve McNair.


SLEEPER: Kellen Clemens. His breakthrough 2005 season at Oregon lasted only eight starts before he broke his left ankle. He doesn't have a big arm, but Clemens flourished in the spread offense the Ducks used last season because it played to his strengths -- shorter throws, usually made while on the move.


WHAT ABOUT: Erik Meyer. All he did at Eastern Washington University last season was win the Walter Payton award as the top Division I-AA player in the nation, and set a I-AA record with a career passer rating of 169.3. Meyer will need time to develop at the NFL level, but he's an instinctive, durable player who is worth a second-day pick -- especially for a team that runs the West Coast offense.

RMANCIL
04-18-2006, 03:26 AM
Wideout pool starts shallow, gets deeper (http://http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2006-04-12-wide-receiver-profile_x.htm)

By Frank Cooney, Special for USA TODAY

Although this might be the poorest class of wide receivers in years in terms of top quality, NFL teams may mine some nuggets if they find the right fit for their system.
Florida's Chad Jackson and Ohio State's Santonio Holmes are the only players expected to get a shot in the first round, but as many as 17 wideouts have a shot at being selected the first day, according to ratings by NFLDraftScout.com.

But that group includes many players with raw talent that can be refined and so-called overachievers who may in truth be underrated. Any of the top 17 could become a standout in the NFL.

Teams will need to sort slowly through this list of what-ifs and maybes. In the meantime, a closer look at the top wide receivers in this draft:

1. Chad Jackson, 6-1, 213, Florida

The two-year starter and Biletnikoff Award semifinalist decided to bypass his senior year to become perhaps the only clear-cut first-round wide receiver in this draft. As a deep threat in 2004, Jackson broke the Florida record for yards per catch (22.3). With the offense changing because of new coach Urban Meyer's schemes in 2005, Jackson was asked to catch more short passes. He went on to tie the school record with 88 receptions, showing he's more than a deep threat. He ran the 40 in 4.32 at the combine and added a 38-inch vertical jump.

2. Santonio Holmes, 5-11, 188, Ohio State

Could be strictly a speed threat. Superb athleticism, but tends to freelance a bit as a route-runner and drops too many passes, most because of trying to make a move before he has the ball tucked away. Worked out well during his pro day (4.35 in 40 yards). Finished fifth in school history with 140 receptions for 2,295 yards and third with 25 touchdowns.

3. Sinorice Moss, 5-8, 185, Miami (Fla.)

Much like his brother, Washington Redskins Pro Bowler Santana, Sinorice Moss is a small package full of big plays. Spectacular athleticism, but doesn't have nearly the numbers his brother had or most of the top receivers in this class had, for that matter. Finished his career at Miami with 68 receptions, 37 of them last season (614 yards, six touchdowns). Was the most consistent receiver at the Senior Bowl, showing strong, secure hands in short-yardage receptions, as well as deep speed. Injured his left quadriceps in his initial 40 at the combine but still was timed at 4.38.

4. Demetrius Williams, 6-2, 197, Oregon

Williams could be the Pacific-10's first drafted senior receiver. Has good height and a developing frame. Lacks spectacular speed but can get deep. The biggest question surrounding Williams is his speed, but he helped himself with a strong showing at his pro day (4.48 in the 40). Averaged 51 receptions for 855 yards and seven TDs the last three seasons.

5. Travis Wilson, 6-2, 214, Oklahoma

An intriguing athlete who was well on his way to carrying on his breakout 2004 before a high ankle injury sidelined him. Was an important cog in a receiver rotation that saw three players drafted within the first three rounds of the 2004 draft (Mark Clayton, Mark Bradley, Brandon Jones). Wasn't the most consistent receiver in terms of his route running, but his combination of size and speed stands out.

6. Todd Watkins, 6-3, 202, Brigham Young

A highly ranked junior college transfer who stepped onto the Brigham Young campus as a junior in 2004 and proved he was among the nation's top receiving talents. Started 10 games in 2004, catching 52 balls for 1,042 yards. When he became the focus of many defensive schemes in 2005, he wasn't as dominant.

7. Maurice Stovall, 6-5, 217, Notre Dame

The wide-body receiver with a tight end's frame really came into his own as a senior. Worked hard in the training room during the 2005 offseason, dropping more than 15 pounds and increasing his stamina and quickness. Impressed scouts at the Senior Bowl workouts. Ran the 60 meters for Notre Dame's track team, but his fastest 40 at the combine was a so-so 4.57.

8. Devin Aromashodu, 6-3, 201, Auburn

A raw but talented prospect who led his team in average yards per reception in three of the last four seasons and showed explosiveness as a kick returner in 2004 as well. Helped himself at the Senior Bowl by showing an intriguing ability to make the dazzling catch. Had a great combine workout, with a 4.35 in the 40 and a 39-inch vertical jump.

9. Devin Hester, 5-11, 190, Miami (Fla.)

An athlete in search of a position after playing defense and offense in college. Moved up the board considerably because of a spectacular pro-day performance in which he showed surprising route-running skills and caught the ball cleanly as both a wideout and a return specialist. As raw as they come, but considered by some to be the draft's top athlete behind Reggie Bush.

10. Jonathan Orr, 6-2, 198, Wisconsin

A rare combination of height and pure speed. Looked like a future superstar in 2002 when he caught 47 balls for 841 yards (17.9 yards a catch). Not used much the last couple of seasons. Consistently able to get open because of his rare physical skills but too often did not come up with the reception in jump-ball situations.

11. Michael Robinson, 6-2, 227, Penn State

Robinson was Penn State's magical quarterback in 2005, but he lacks the accuracy to be successful at that position in the pros. Was the Big Ten Conference's offensive player of the year. Saw time at quarterback, running back and wide receiver in 2004. Scouts are projecting him at several positions, including wide receiver, running back and safety.

12. Jason Avant, 6-1, 212, Michigan

Has the size and smooth moves to be an effective possession receiver but lacks the speed that impresses scouts. Avant stepped up as the go-to receiver this season after the departure of Braylon Edwards but didn't stand out as a playmaker despite catching 82 passes for 1,007 yards and eight TDs.

13. Derek Hagan, 6-2, 208, Arizona State

Has good size for the position and caught the ball consistently enough in college to set the Pacific-10 career receptions record. However, during the entire week of practices at the Senior Bowl, Hagan struggled horribly with drops. Regained some believers when he ran a 4.45 in the 40 at the combine. Mixed reviews, but could be taken earlier than listed.

14. Brandon Williams, 5-10, 179, Wisconsin

The compact athlete is an electrifying return specialist and capable flanker who joined Kentucky's Derek Abney (2,315 on kickoffs, 2,339 receiving) as the only players in NCAA Division I-A history to gain more than 2,000 yards on kickoff returns and receiving in a career.

Sinorice Moss, 5-8, 185, Miami (Fla.) of the well publicised wr may turn out to be the best. He demonstrated some great moves at the senior bowl . He lacks great size and that always hurts in the draft but his brother proved this past season that you don't have to be 6'1" to get the job done.

He gets pretty good separation and he is the best of the top 3 WR in this draft after the catch.

Will Blackmon, 6-0 198 Boston College is my top sleeper in this draft. He played WR for just one season.

He led the team with 51 receptions for 763 yards (15.0 avg) and four touchdowns, adding 21 yards on three reverses. He returned 22 kickoffs for 489 yards (22.2 avg) and 15 punts for 124 yards (8.3 avg) while making two solo tackles.

In 48 games with the Eagles, Blackmon started 34 times (22 on defense, 12 on offense). He made 141 tackles (104 solos) with two stops for losses of 3 yards. He caused three fumbles, recovered two others and deflected 14 passes. Blackmon also intercepted eight passes for 59 yards in returns. On offense, Blackmon totaled 763 yards with four scores on 51 receptions (15.0 avg) and 21 yards on three carries (7.0 avg).

On special teams, Blackmon returned 114 kickoffs for 2,803 yards (24.6 avg) and a touchdown, shattering the school career records. He fell just 120 yards shy of the NCAA Division 1-A all-time kickoff return yardage record. Blackmon also gained 506 yards on 40 punt returns (12.7 avg) and a score.

He is a real treat to watch as he brings his great punt return skills to the wr position. Blackmon also plays CB in fact he earned second-team All-Big East honors in 2004, the team's final year in that conference. He started nine games at left cornerback, sharing the position with 2005 starter DeJuan Tribble. Blackmon ranked eighth on the squad with 46 tackles (30 solos) and also caused a fumble. He deflected three passes and intercepted three others. On special teams, Blackmon became the first player in school history to return both a punt and kickoff for touchdowns in the same season. He gained 762 yards with a score on 28 kickoffs, ranking eighth in the nation with a 27.2-yard average. He also amassed 261 yards on 23 punt returns.

RMANCIL
04-18-2006, 03:42 AM
Vince Young visits Vikings, who hold 17th (http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2411842)pick

EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. -- Quarterback Vince Young paid a predraft visit to the Minnesota Vikings on Monday.

Young accounted for 467 yards in the Rose Bowl to lead Texas to the national championship, after which his stock rapidly accelerated. He announced four days later he was skipping his senior season to turn pro.

Along with USC's Matt Leinart and Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler, Young is one of three highly rated quarterbacks in this year's draft.

The Vikings have the 17th pick, which will probably be way too late to pick any of them, but they also have two selections each in the second and third rounds and could put together a package to trade up.

Coach Brad Childress has said the team is interested in developing a young quarterback this year, though he could also come from a trade.

Saints still looking to trade out of No. 2 spot (http://http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2410523)

By Todd McShay
Scouts Inc.
Archive

The plot is thickening at the top of the 2006 NFL draft, but with nothing set in stone it's still a challenge to sort through the reports and rumors and figure out which ones are smoke and which ones are fire.

While it has been nearly a foregone conclusion since the end of the 2005 season that the Houston Texans will draft USC running back Reggie Bush, the Texans nevertheless brought in North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams recently for a private workout. Still, there's little doubt Bush will be their choice with the first overall pick. After that, things start to get dicey, and separating fact from fiction becomes difficult.

USC quarterback Matt Leinart will visit the New Orleans Saints on Wednesday, and there has been speculation the Saints are considering using the No. 2 pick on Leinart because of long-term durability concerns regarding newly acquired QB Drew Brees (shoulder). However, I talked to someone close to the situation this weekend who offered another theory.

Who will pay the price?
Most NFL teams use a Trade Value Chart to make sure they're getting enough in return -- or not overpaying -- when trading draft picks. The chart assigns a point value to every pick in the seven-round draft. New Orleans' No. 2 overall pick, for example, is worth 2,600 points. In order to be a fair trade, whatever package of picks the team received in return should add up to 2,600.
For the Titans to move up to the second pick, they would need to surrender their first-round pick, No. 3 overall and worth 2,200 points, as well as their second-round pick, No. 39 overall and worth 510 points, to match the value of the Saints' pick. That would leave Tennessee with only one selection in the first three rounds, since the Titans already traded their third-round pick to Buffalo.

For the Jets to move up to No. 2, they would need to give up both of their first-round picks, No. 4 overall (worth 1,800 points) and No. 29 overall (acquired from Denver via Atlanta and worth 640 points), as well as their original third round pick No. 71 (worth 235 points). New York would retain its second-round pick, No. 35 overall, and a compensatory pick at the end of the third round, No. 97 overall.
-- Todd McShay

The Saints have been shopping their first-round pick since signing Brees, but they have not received the type of interest they had hoped for. With just two weeks left before the draft, they could be trying to drum up trade interest by courting Leinart. That would make Leinart's workout for the Saints this week nothing more than a gigantic smokescreen to scare the Titans and Jets into trading up to get him.

Is either team interested? Well, for weeks now there have been reports of a difference of opinion between Titans' general manager Floyd Reese and his coaching staff over which quarterback the team should draft. The reports suggest Reese favors Vince Young of Texas, while head coach Jeff Fisher and offensive coordinator Norm Chow prefer Leinart.

What I'm hearing now, though, is that those reports also might be nothing more than a smokescreen. If that's true, Reese has shown impressive vision. Knowing all along that conventional wisdom would favor the Titans drafting Leinart because of his ties with Chow -- USC's offensive coordinator from 2001-04 -- Reese could have expressed a preference for Young in order to throw off the Jets and keep them from cutting a deal with New Orleans to move up.

The Jets have been tight-lipped regarding their draft intentions to this point. Over the course of a six-day span this week, they will hold private workouts for Vanderbilt QB Jay Cutler (Sunday), Leinart (Tuesday) and Young (Thursday). If they wind up with Leinart at the top of their list, things will get extremely interesting. For a while it looked as if the Jets would be able to stay at No. 4 and still get Leinart, as the Saints were showing no interest in Leinart and the Titans seemingly were leaning towards Young, even if Leinart was still on the board. However, if this latest scenario plays out, the Jets will need to leap-frog Tennessee in order to get in position to draft the USC left-hander, which is precisely the Saints' wish.

Ultimately, the Saints would prefer to trade out of the second pick. By moving down just one or two spots, they still could get Williams or Virginia offensive tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, while acquiring an extra pick or two in the process. Another prospect very much on their radar is Ohio State outside linebacker A.J. Hawk, who would fill a far bigger position of need than Williams (DE) or Ferguson (OT). The Saints know it would be a reach to draft Hawk at No. 2, but he would be a more reasonable value if they can move down slightly.

If the Saints are able to make a deal to trade out, it is unlikely to occur until draft day. The Saints will want to hold out as long as possible to drive the price up on the Titans and Jets -- or any other interested party.


Possibilities are endless
Saints: If New Orleans isn't able to orchestrate a deal, the team seems to be leaning toward selecting Ferguson over Williams. While Williams has freakish natural talent, there are some concerns about his below-average football instincts and inconsistent motor. Ferguson is the safer pick, and he could team with last year's first-round pick, Jammal Brown, to form the league's best young offensive tackle tandem. Considering the money the team has invested in Brees, that's probably the smart play. Furthermore, the Saints already boast two former first-round picks at defensive end -- Charles Grant (2001) and Will Smith (2004).
Steve McNair
Quarterback
Tennessee Titans

Profile
2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Att Comp Yds TD Int Rat
476 292 3027 16 11 82.4

Titans: Reading more into the Titans scenario, the falling out with QB Steve McNair makes more sense if the team's preference has been Leinart over Young all along.

First, no matter which quarterback you prefer, there's no question Leinart will be ready to take over as a starter sooner than Young. If the Titans really coveted Young, there would be a much bigger need for McNair to return and serve as a bridge-the-gap starter.

Second, Young and McNair have a great relationship, stemming back to last offseason, when the two worked out together. It certainly wouldn't be a primary reason to bring McNair back, but it would be natural for McNair to return for one or two more seasons to help mentor Young.


Condon could add to the intrigue
I've been told that one of the reasons Leinart fired agent Leigh Steinberg was because Leinart didn't feel Steinberg was giving his situation enough attention. The mounting rumors that Leinart could slip to the fourth pick and be selected after Young could have provided enough motivation for Leinart to look elsewhere.
Chuck Price is currently representing Leinart, but there have been several reports that Leinart's ultimate plan is to hire Tom Condon, who recently left IMG for CAA, the firm that landed Leinart's marketing rights. Hiring Condon would put all of Leinart's business matters under one representation umbrella.

What is also interesting is that Leinart's private workout with the Saints on Wednesday was scheduled last Thursday, three days after the news broke of Leinart's split with Steinberg. If Leinart does wind up hiring Condon, one factor could be Condon's history of orchestrating trades at the top of the draft and Leinart's desire to be the No. 2 overall pick. Remember, Condon pieced together the 2004 draft-day blockbuster between the Chargers and Giants for quarterbacks Eli Manning and Philip Rivers.

See link for the whole story

SanDiegoRon
04-18-2006, 08:06 AM
Contenders and Pretenders

Michael Huff, Texas projects at both safety and CB will be long gone before the S.D. selection. (S.D.Ron fav)

Jason Allen, Tennessee
Allen was named to the Associated Press All-American third-team in 2004. He opened the season at right cornerback before shifting to free safety for the rest of the year. Allen led the team with a career-high 123 tackles (88 solos), ....


huh??? perhaps you forgot to hit the return key... :D Huff is a cover LB, range 10-20 yds past the LOS...

or you ought to consider my siggie.... :D
Allen is the best secondary player coming out this year period... skill set, maturity, experience,...

nobody believed me last year on Carlos Rogers, and he was/is the best corner from that draft...
A.Cromartie=A.Rolle (knee issues, neither can backpeddle - projects)
J.Williams=PacMan (attitude issues - head cases)

Chargeroo
04-18-2006, 09:32 AM
huh??? perhaps you forgot to hit the return key... :D Huff is a cover LB, range 10-20 yds past the LOS...

or you ought to consider my siggie.... :D
Allen is the best secondary player coming out this year period... skill set, maturity, experience,...

nobody believed me last year on Carlos Rogers, and he was/is the best corner from that draft...
A.Cromartie=A.Rolle (knee issues, neither can backpeddle - projects)
J.Williams=PacMan (attitude issues - head cases) I agree about Allen's ability but what about his hip?

At first glance this years crop of CB's looks great but with a bit closer examination there's a problem with almost every single one of them. (As your notes above point out).

Recently I've seen people touting Johnathan Joseph of South Carolina. At 5'11'' and 195 he has pretty good size and he ran a 4:31 in the forty but he hasn't played a lot of games as a Corner so that makes me think he'd be a "project" rather than a starter right away.

They better sweeten the pot for Fletcher, imo.

I'm back to thinking I'd get my OT with that first pick if I was AJ. My choice is Andrew Whitworth.

hoopdreams
04-18-2006, 09:38 AM
I agree about Allen's ability but what about his hip?

At first glance this years crop of CB's looks great but with a bit closer examination there's a problem with almost every single one of them. (As your notes above point out).

Recently I've seen people touting Johnathan Joseph of South Carolina. At 5'11'' and 195 he has pretty good size and he ran a 4:31 in the forty but he hasn't played a lot of games as a Corner so that makes me think he'd be a "project" rather than a starter right away.

They better sweeten the pot for Fletcher, imo.

I'm back to thinking I'd get my OT with that first pick if I was AJ. My choice is Andrew Whitworth.

AJ could get Whitworth in the second for sure. Whitworth is not going to be a great OLT and is going to end up playng ORT for a team. He's definitely not the guy for us. The only guys that are athletic enough to stay a OLT are D'Brick, Justice, McNeil and Scott.

McNeil will be available in the second. We should try to get him and draft a stud CB in the first.

hoopdreams
04-18-2006, 09:45 AM
huh??? perhaps you forgot to hit the return key... :D Huff is a cover LB, range 10-20 yds past the LOS...

or you ought to consider my siggie.... :D
Allen is the best secondary player coming out this year period... skill set, maturity, experience,...

nobody believed me last year on Carlos Rogers, and he was/is the best corner from that draft...
A.Cromartie=A.Rolle (knee issues, neither can backpeddle - projects)
J.Williams=PacMan (attitude issues - head cases)

I would say that Chris Gamble is the best corner from last years draft. Don't act like you can call what players will do in the pros. Attitude often projects into big hitters in the pros. You act like every guy with an attitude is a bad player in the NFL. Many times attitude is what the Chargers defense is lacking. We need a guy that is so full of himself that he will knock guys heads off without a thought about how uncomfortable the hit might be. A killer instinct is very important and usually guys that have it are portrayed as a little "off".

Jimmy Williams= Sean Taylor, Chris McCallister, Nate Clements

Note: It's hard for a guy like Sean Taylor to stay out of Trouble in DC where crime is super high. I bet if he came to San Diego he would be able to stay out of trouble much easier than in DC. The same thing will go for Jimmy Willams.

SanDiegoRon
04-18-2006, 10:08 AM
I agree about Allen's ability but what about his hip?
...
Recently I've seen people touting Johnathan Joseph of South Carolina. At 5'11'' and 195 he has pretty good size and he ran a 4:31 in the forty but he hasn't played a lot of games as a Corner so that makes me think he'd be a "project" rather than a starter right away.

They better sweeten the pot for Fletcher, imo.

I'm back to thinking I'd get my OT with that first pick if I was AJ. My choice is Andrew Whitworth.

Allen: I'm sure your are aware of his combine numbers, Top 3 in every category, including his verticle & 3-cone... I'd say he did exceptionally well for, as BoltJolt said, 85% ready... by mini-camp he should be ready and by TC 100%...

as to the possibility of a recurrence, well that's true of any athlete with a previous injury, including Cromartie who's knee was seriously damaged requiring 3 separate ligament procedures - why is no one questioning this... knees are far more susceptable to a recurrence...

if AJ can wade through the Brees prognosis, he can handle this one...


Joseph: outstanding speed, but no experience... as you say, a project... at #19 you should be getting a starter... he also had K-O Simpson back there making up for any mistakes... I'm still high on K-O (second rd)...

if I couldn't get Allen, I like Kelly Jennings from Miami - he's a player with outstanding cover skills...

there's always Landry, Merriweather and Dameion Hughes next year... the draft NEVER ends, the players just change... :D

Sorry Roo, I like Whit but I see him as a high 3rd rdr (~#70)...

11 days until xmas... :D

SanDiegoRon
04-18-2006, 10:13 AM
I would say that Chris Gamble is the best corner from last years draft. Don't act like you can call what players will do in the pros. Attitude often projects into big hitters in the pros. You act like every guy with an attitude is a bad player in the NFL. .

I would say Carlos Rogers was... eye of the beholder... I "call" what I see during the games.... did you watch the college games this year... I have NO issue with "attitude" ON THE FIELD - it's OFF the field I take exception to...

re-rerun the tape on the BC game *man*, and then tell me Williams wasn't a punk...

hoopdreams
04-18-2006, 10:19 AM
I would say Carlos Rogers was... eye of the beholder... I "call" what I see during the games.... did you watch the college games this year... I have NO issue with "attitude" ON THE FIELD - it's OFF the field I take exception to...

re-rerun the tape on the BC game *man*, and then tell me Williams wasn't a punk...

I'm not saying he wasn't a punk but he was a big fish in a little pond. Teams deal with attitudes all the time in the pros. It's nothing new. Look at Merriman. Merriman dropped due to attitude issues. He's a model citizen now that he's a Charger. Jimmy Williams could be the same thing.

We can't pass up a guy with his talent level. Schottenheimer knows how to get through to guys. It's one of his best traits. Just look at the number of players that want to keep playing for him. Arrington wants to follow, Donnie already has, and other tough guys wouldn't mind playing for Schottenheimer.

I say get the talent and let the Coach set the guy straight, although I think when Williams get's to the pros and realizes the level of talent that exists, he isn't going to be quite as cocky.

SanDiegoRon
04-18-2006, 10:25 AM
I'm not saying he wasn't a punk but he was a big fish in a little pond...

huh???, Va Tech was in the hunt for a Nat'l Championship game most of the year... naw, I watched 5 Va Tech games last season and covered ALL of them, and you'll never convince me he should be our top pick...

you can tell alot about a player by seeing how his teamates react to him... no way I add him to this team... we'll just have to disagree on this one...

Al "T.D." Bundy
04-18-2006, 10:45 AM
Three mock drafts are listed on CBSsportsline.com. One has us taking Eric Winston and two others have us taking Santonio Holmes.

BoltFanNChicago
04-18-2006, 10:55 AM
Three mock drafts are listed on CBSsportsline.com. One has us taking Eric Winston and two others have us taking Santonio Holmes.

I'd love Holmes and he may fall to us if you go with best available player at 19 ( assuming we don't find value in trading up or down)... I don't see AJ taking Eric Winston... why would be pay a guy 1st round money when he'll most likely be a 2nd round pick... getting caught up in taking the best LT available vs best player is a recipe for less talent.. We'd be better off moving up to grab him in the 2nd if we want him.. To me he's in the same boat as Cromartie.. a perfect fit for a team with depth to see what they can do. We HAVE TO HAVE A LT play day one.. it's not him... injured projects and I don't want either of them...

RMANCIL
04-18-2006, 03:08 PM
Teams more diligent in assessing players' character (http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2407432)

By Greg Garber
ESPN.com


Marcus Vick throws a better ball than his older brother Michael, the Atlanta Falcons' star. He isn't quite as quick -- but, then again, very few humans are. They played the same position at the same school, quarterback at Virginia Tech, and left college at precisely the same size: 6 feet, 215 pounds.

But, while Michael was the first overall pick in the 2001 NFL draft, there is a good chance Marcus won't be taken on the first day.

A series of brushes with the law and poor decisions -- from the alleged possession of marijuana to charges of sex with a minor (later acquitted), the alleged brandishing of a gun and the memorable (and intentional) stomping on the leg of Louisville defensive end Elvis Dumervil during the 2006 Gator Bowl -- led to Marcus' dismissal from Virginia Tech in January.

As a result, NFL personnel experts project him to fall at least to the fourth round and, more likely, beyond. A significant number of teams say they have removed him from their draft board entirely.

Rick Spielman, former general manager of the Miami Dolphins, who also evaluated college talent for Chicago Bears and Detroit Lions, saw Vick play this season against West Virginia.



Matt Stroshane/Getty Images
Marcus Vick is undoubtedly talented, but brings a lot of baggage to the table.
"He has a lot of talent," said Spielman, now an ESPN Insider. "But at that position, the player is the leader of your football team and has to set the tone, an example. If he's not doing things the right way off the field, how can you expect the team to follow him? He flipped off the fans at West Virginia -- that's not how you lead."

Emotion can be a positive factor on the playing field, but the opposite is also true.

"I'm trying to show the kind of person I am, you know, show the world that I'm not the person some people make me out to be," Vick said in his defense at the scouting combine in February. "[It's like I'm] some kind of bad guy, like the villain."

If Vick had made fewer off-field headlines and spent more time on the gridiron, he might well have been a late first-round draft choice. As such, he would have been in line for a five-year contract worth as much as $15 million, including a $3 million to $4 million signing bonus. Now, he's looking at something like a $200,000 signing bonus and an annual contract in the same neighborhood.

The difference between Marcus and Michael Vick? In a word, character.

Defined loosely as moral or ethical strength, character has never mattered more to those who assess college football players. It is a complicated element that encompasses not only a player's body of work on the field, but his police record (if applicable), work ethic, sense of team and passion for the game.

This year's NFL draft, April 29-30 at Radio City Music Hall in New York City, will feature some difficult but compelling character decisions. In the past, some NFL teams have paid lip service to the importance of character, but with the annual salary cap now past $100 million, successful teams go out of their way to do their due diligence.

The New England Patriots won three of four Super Bowls by seeking athletes who were willing to subjugate themselves for the good of the team; the selflessness of two-way player Troy Brown is a good example. The Pittsburgh Steelers, who place a similar premium on character, captured this year's Super Bowl title in Detroit.

"It's always important to get good people as well as good players," Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert said. "From the Steelers' point of view, from top to bottom, ownership demands that character is a big factor in this organization."

"You can't lose sight of a guy's physical skills on tape, but even good organizations have been hurt by drafting people whose character is questionable," said Scot McCloughan, the 49ers' vice president of player personnel. "Ninety percent of the time, it will bite you in the ass.

"If we have two guys pretty close, we'll take the guy with less talent that weighs in with more character. Half the grade going into this is: How's the kid wired?"


Guessing Game
Judging character is a wildly subjective proposition. Sometimes, teams get it wrong.

When rumors circulated that University of Pittsburgh quarterback Dan Marino had allegedly abused drugs, he slid to the end of the first round in 1983. Seventeen seasons later, when Marino retired as the game's most prolific passer, no one was questioning his character.

In other instances, though, there is fire where smoke is perceived. The Denver Broncos, defying conventional wisdom, drafted Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett in the third round of last year's draft after he had been out of football for two seasons. He was good-sized (5-11, 230 pounds) and fairly fast (4.55 in the 40-yard dash), but he was dismissed from Ohio State in 2003 after a series of incidents.

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who had experienced spectacular success by drafting lightly regarded running backs Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson, felt it was worth the risk. Admitting he made a mistake, Shanahan cut Clarett in training camp.

Shanahan served as the Raiders' head coach in 1988-89 and learned a willingness to gamble from owner Al Davis, a self-styled outsider in the elite men's club that is the NFL. The Raiders have long prized talent over character in building teams. First-round choices Todd Marinovich (1991), Darrell Russell (1997) and Sebastian Janikowski (2000) at the very least raised some questions before their respective drafts and encountered brushes with the law as pros. Russell, whose NFL career was plagued with a string of incidents, including rape charges in 2002, died in a high-speed car crash in December.

Complicated situations
When a team is uncomfortable with a potential character issue, it becomes real easy to pass on that player. When you see a player starting to fall unexpectedly, most times there are question marks that have not necessarily become public.
There are countless instances of situations that raise questions regarding a player's character. I think back to a Senior Bowl experience during my scouting years when I was on an airplane leaving Mobile, Ala. in which the majority of the plane was filled with players and scouts. One of the players was extremely rude to a flight attendant and his overall conduct was embarrassing. Not only did it leave a negative impression on the individuals on that flight, but the word spread like wild fire regarding his behavior throughout scouting circles. Within a week, everyone in the league had placed a red flag on this player's card and ultimately it wound up costing this player dramatically on draft day.

Sometimes character issues can be false. In the days leading up to the draft, there are always countless rumors of late-breaking issues that could entail character, medical, etc. At this point in the process, everyone is paranoid.

cont....

Chargeroo
04-18-2006, 03:10 PM
I'm totally in favor of avoiding people that are trouble makers/attitude problems. I disagree that Merriman was an attitude problem guy in college. He didn't get into any trouble off the field and he was a 100 percent guy on the field. Williams is good but he's one of those "me first" kind of guys. He'll be a problem for whatever team he's on much like T.O. has been.

I like Hill/Allen/Cromartie. I'm guessing Hill will go first and probably before we pick and Allen may be our pick. Even though I fear not getting an OT if we pick a DB in the first round I think AJ has more guts than me and he'll probably take the DB in the first and hope for the best in the second.

As for the OT's, I rate Whitworth as the #3 OT. I know very well that many draft sites don't see him as anywhere near that good but I saw him play in 3 games and one bowl game this year and I think he's very good and I disagree with those that think he'll never be able to learn to play on the left side. I really doubt he'll last until our pick #50 and I'm not high on any of the others ever playing Left tackles. I do like Scott but I don't see the good feet needed for LOT.

When you say we could get Whitworth in the second round for sure - have you taken into account all the teams drafting ahead of us in round two that neet an OT? I have - look at them one by one and you'll conclude, as I did that we probably will miss out on both Whitworth and Scott.

Of course, all of the above is just one old guys opinion and is not worth a dime on the open market. :) I like to watch the college games and make my choices by what I saw, not by what the draft sites say. I think that I know more about football than many of those sites. If I could get my hands on game tapes, I think I'd do real well at picking players for the line and LB's. Probably not so well at picking DB's and WR's.

RMANCIL
04-18-2006, 03:10 PM
I remember a specific case in which a highly-rated player was expected to go in the top five of the draft. One day prior to the draft, a team picking in the six-to-nine range made some specific calls to teams drafting ahead of them and simply asked, "Have you received the newest report regarding serious character issues" about the prospect? When the team that was asked responded by saying, "No, we haven't heard anything," the caller simply hung up the phone. On draft day, the player in question slipped to the bottom of the first round and to this day many people, including myself, are convinced that many teams passed on him because they simply could not confirm the suspicious call that some teams had received one day earlier.

As this year's draft approaches, former USC quarterback Matt Leinart has suddenly raised a red flag. Nobody has ever accused Leinhart of being a character problem but the recent firing of his agent Leigh Steinberg raises a lot of potential questions.

Whether you like Steinberg or not, the fact is that he is a reputable agent with a great history with quarterbacks. When he is fired two weeks before the draft, even after a successful draft preparation process in which his client looks like a sure top-four draft pick, something does not make sense. Is Leinart going "Hollywood" and paying more attention to off-the-field opportunities rather than football? Is he listening to other agents, who always are trying to steal players? It would seem that at the very least there are some question marks about Leinart's loyalty and integrity and even the teams at the top of the draft will want to be comfortable with this situation.
Gary Horton, Scouts Inc.

It was Davis who traded for wide receiver Randy Moss -- passed over by several teams in the 1998 draft because of character concerns -- last year after seven turbulent, albeit statistically successful, seasons in Minnesota.

The Cincinnati Bengals, who have one of the smallest scouting staffs in the league, also have routinely ignored character as a measuring stick. It has hurt them over the years, particularly in the case of some of their high-profile first-round choices -- defensive tackle Dan Wilkinson and wide receiver Peter Warrick, to mention two.

With the stakes so high in the draft -- if one in seven draft choices is a failure, it can have a profound effect on the roster -- teams spend an extraordinary amount of time and money in pursuit of character references.

"When I was with Miami, we had a director of security that did background checks," Spielman said. "It's a pain to go through different courthouses where players grew up, but it's worth the effort. You can learn about potential rape charges or if a guy got three tickets for fishing without a license."

Teams with a large veteran contingent or a strong-willed head coach seem more willing to take chances with questionable character. That was definitely the case when the Broncos took Clarett and Minnesota chose Moss.

Yet, it's not just the teams that find themselves concerned with the character issues throughout the draft process.

Long before he began representing some of the marquee players in the league, including Eli Manning and seven other starting quarterbacks, agent Tom Condon was less than selective when seeking clients.

"Early on, we were just taking whatever players we could get," said Condon, who played guard for the Kansas City Chiefs for 11 seasons. "The two characteristics that determine success are intelligence and character. Now, it's a big factor for us.

"As I look through our last few classes of players, you could take virtually any of those guys home and be proud. It makes life so much easier. They're attractive to people in terms of marketing dollars, and later they can move more easily into the broadcast booth."

For the Steelers' Colbert, character will remain a draft key.

"The best-case scenario," he said, "is a good player with impeccable character. That means you have no concerns. Next level, you have one incident or a personality trait that raises concern. The guys with a couple of incidents that suggest a pattern are the ones you stay away from."

This year's draft has players who fit all those descriptions. Here are a few burdened by the baggage of off-field issues that will create some tension during draft weekend:

• Oklahoma offensive tackle Dusty Dvoracek
An interesting case study.

Dvoracek was stripped of his captaincy and missed 10 games in 2004 after he got into a fight in a bar in Norman, Okla. He was reinstated for 2005 after undergoing anger-management and alcohol-related counseling. In Dvoracek's request for a medical waiver, he admitted he was an alcoholic.

Scouts say Dvoracek -- an academic achiever who produced one of the very highest scores on the Wonderlic test at the combine -- has second-round talent but will probably drop into the third round.

That said, the fact that Dvoracek has shown signs of maturity by staying out of trouble once reinstated to the team should keep him from sliding too far.

• USC offensive tackle Winston Justice
A 6-6, 311-pound specimen, Justice was suspended for the 2004 season after he and some friends pulled a fake but real-looking gun on a USC student.

"I'm always going to be sorry about it," Justice said. "But it's in the past. I'm trying to live day by day to show people that I am a good-character guy."

Justice, who protected Matt Leinart's blind side, is projected to be the second tackle taken -- behind D'Brickashaw Ferguson of Virginia -- going as high as the No. 8 pick, but no lower than the Eagles' No. 14 overall choice.

“ It's always important to get good people as well as good players. From the Steelers' point of view, from top to bottom, ownership demands that character is a big factor in this organization.”
—Kevin Colbert, the Steelers' director of football operations

• Florida State outside linebacker A.J. Nicholson
Nicholson was sent home prior to this year's Orange Bowl for violating team rules after a woman claimed she was sexually assaulted by the linebacker. However, while questioned by police, he never was charged. Seven weeks later, Nicholson answered many character questions at the scouting combine.

"If they're paying money to have you on their team, [teams] should want to ask and should want to know, and are obligated to know," Nicholson said in Indianapolis. "It hurt me because it kind of damaged my character and put me in a light I don't want to be put in. They know I'm a good player."

Indeed, Nicholson was soaring up the draft board before the incident. He has first-round talent, but will any team be willing to risk taking him that high?


Finding the Fire
In the biggest college football game of the season, LenDale White outran the player who will undoubtedly be drafted first overall, USC teammate Reggie Bush.

White carried 20 times for 124 yards and scored three touchdowns against Texas in the Rose Bowl. While USC lost the national championship game, White saw his draft stock rise sharply.

But something funny happened on the way to the draft -- actually, nothing happened. White, whose playing weight is about 235, weighed in at the combine at 236 and managed only 15 reps of 225 pounds in the bench press, 10 fewer than the 200-pound Bush. At USC's pro day, White checked in at 244 pounds. There have been rumors that he's hit the mid-250s. Probably not helping matters, it was revealed on Thursday that White has a torn hamstring.

"A big-time red flag," one NFL scout said. "The guy has issues. He never worked out. When he takes his shirt off, a 21-year-old kid shouldn't have a gut."

But that same scout added, "He should have been a high first-round pick, but he could be there in the second round. Then, you're debating value of the pick versus downside. You'd have to think about it."

As it stands, ESPN draft expert Mel Kiper has White going to the Carolina Panthers at No. 27.

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RMANCIL
04-18-2006, 03:12 PM
cont...
Then you have the opposite of cases like White. Instances in which a well-rounded individual -- whether he's very strong academically or has a variety of interests -- might draw a red flag because teams question whether he's dedicated to football.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson, the top offensive tackle prospect in this year's draft, has drawn a curious eye from some scouts because he plays the saxophone, according to ESPN the Magazine.

"Work ethic versus too laid-back -- it's tough to assess," Condon said. "There [are] guys with laid-back personalities that will work like mules. Still, there are some guys who don't love football. It's almost cliché to bring up the name of Ryan Leaf, but when you're looking at that big, strong, athletic guy, you're wondering why he didn't succeed."



AP Photo/File
Ryan Leaf had few answers during his tenure in the NFL.
Leaf was the second pick in the 1998 NFL draft, behind Peyton Manning, but he never made the Pro Bowl and was out of the league after just five seasons. Why? He didn't have the fire for the game.

"Work ethic, passion for the game equals character," the 49ers' McCloughan said. "My job is to explain to Coach [Mike] Nolan what [a prospect] brings to the table. Is his work ethic going to cause offseason [workout] problems?"

Jeremy Green, who worked for the Browns in player personnel from 2000-05, places a great emphasis on this facet of character.

"Is the guy doing the extra things he needs to do, or is he the first one out of the building at the end of the day?" said Green, director of scouting for ESPN.com's Scouts Inc. "Does the guy like football? I would rather take a player with a little bit of baggage over a player with no heart or [who] doesn't like football.

"In Buffalo, it's obvious [former offensive tackle] Mike Williams doesn't like football. And they made him a top-five pick. Heart is a big part of the equation."

And so is professionalism.

"The combine is like a job interview," Spielman said. "It's like wearing flip-flops and a T-shirt instead of a jacket and tie. It raises all kinds of questions."

Virginia Tech cornerback Jimmy Williams has been the subject of those kind of questions. He is the second-rated defensive back in the draft, behind Texas safety Michael Huff. Williams has size (6-3, 213 pounds) and speed (4.48), and as a junior he was terrific, making five interceptions. In 2005?

"One interception," said Todd McShay, Scouts Inc.'s director of college football and the NFL draft. "He was lazy and took a lot of unnecessary risks. He comes off as very arrogant."

McShay said Williams has top-10 talent -- Arizona still could take him with the No. 10 pick -- but he could fall into slots 20-25.

In a world where speed, strength and toughness usually prevail, is character overrated?

"No," Spielman said. "A tiger doesn't change its stripes. Eventually, you'll have issues with a player with a history. He may be an angel for a year, but it will circle around. If you're comfortable dealing with those issues on your team, that's fine. But beware."

Caveat emptor: Let the buyer beware.


Past incidents raise red flags (http://http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?id=2409770)

In addition to determining whether a prospect has the ability to excel at the next level, NFL teams also devote a great deal of time evaluating the temperamant of each player in the draft. Off-the-field incidents in college certainly weigh in the minds of general managers.

This year's draft features a number of players with past transgressions worth noting. Our scouts have identified all the prospects with character questions, and project what round they are likely to hear their names called.

Winston Justice, OT, USC (First)
Justice was arrested and sentenced to probation after pleading no contest to a misdemeanor count of solicitation of prostitution in July of 2003. Unfortunately, his problems with the law didn't end there. He was also charged with three misdemeanor counts of exhibiting a replica firearm in March of 2004. The court sentenced him to 60 days of electronic monitoring as well as three years probation, and the school's Student Affairs Department suspended him for two semesters as a result.

Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State (First)
An incident in June 2005 involving his girlfriend has raised some concerns about Sims' character. Police arrested him for domestic battery and resisting arrest without violence that day. He pleaded no contest to the reduced charge of disorderly conduct in August.

Jimmy Williams, DC, Virginia Tech (First)
There's no questioning Williams' upside. He is fast, strong and versatile enough to line up at safety in certain situations. The problem is he might never realize that awesome potential because he doesn't give his best effort on every snap. He is an arrogant player who relies on natural ability far too much.

Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State (First)
Holmes has avoided off-the-field problems, but his ego and faith in his natural ability have hindered his progress and raised concerns about his willingness to listen to coaching.



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LenDale White must prove he can keep his weight down. LenDale White, RB, USC (First)
There have always been questions about White's dedication to training and his ability to keep his weight down. A poor performance at the combine has only intensified those concerns.

Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia (First/Second)
Georgia suspended Pope for the Louisiana-Monroe game for violating team rules. There are also questions about his work ethic and willingness to get better.

Max Jean-Gillies, OG, Georgia (Second)
Jean-Giles has had problems keeping his weight down and there are questions about his dedication to training. There are also concerns he won't work hard once he signs a lucrative contract.

Claude Wroten, DT, LSU (Second)
Wroten's draft stock took a hit when he was pulled over for speeding and the police found marijuana in the car. While a felony charge of marijuana possession with the intent to distribute eventually was dismissed, he was not allowed to play in the Senior Bowl and teams will still have questions concerning the incident.

Brandon Marshall, WR, Central Florida (Third)
In 2004, the police arrested Marshall for trespassing and resisting arrest following an incident at a Denny's restaurant. Central Florida suspended him for a game as a result. In addition, Marshall's arrogance and penchant for taking plays off has hindered his progress.

Dusty Dvoracek, DT, Oklahoma (Third)
While he has since undergone counseling and hasn't been involved in any off-the-field problems, Dvoracek was involved in several alcohol-related incidents during his first four seasons at Oklahoma. In fact, Oklahoma dismissed him from the team after he started the first two games of the 2004 season. He returned to play for the Sooners in 2005.

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RMANCIL
04-18-2006, 03:14 PM
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Dee Webb, DC, Florida (Third)
Webb purchased four guns in February of 2006 and police confiscated all four as part of an investigation about gun shots fired into an adjacent apartment. While a Florida teammate admitted to firing the shots and there's no reason to believe Webb will be arrested at this point, police found several guns legally stored at Webb's apartment.

Demario Minter, DC, Georgia (Third)
Police arrested Minter and four other Georgia football players, charging them with marijuana possession in 2003. In exchange for getting the charges dropped, he performed one year of community service and was placed on probation for one year. He served a two-game suspension at the beginning of the season.

Reggie McNeal, QB/WR, Texas A&M (Third/Fourth)
McNeal is a developmental prospect who needs to either show vast improvement at quarterback or move to receiver to make it in the NFL. That's why his ego and rumors about him openly voicing his opinion in the locker room are concerning.

A.J. Nicholson, OLB, Florida State (Third/Fourth)
Nicholson was charged with two separate alcohol-related offenses within a one-year span leading up to his senior season in 2005. One incident involved him resisting arrest after police tried to kick him out of a Tallahassee night club for disorderly conduct and drinking violations. The police had to subdue him with a Taser gun. In addition, police questioned Nicholson and Florida State suspended him for the 2006 Orange Bowl after a 19-year-old woman accused him of sexually assaulting her. However, charges were not filed.

Tim Jennings, DC, Georgia (Third/Fourth)
Jennings was one of the Georgia players involved in Minter's incident. In exchange for getting the charges dropped, he also performed one year of community service and was placed on one year's probation. He was suspended for the first two games of the 2003 season.

Bernard Pollard, DS, Purdue (Fourth)
Purdue suspended Pollard for three days during its 2005 training camp after he got into a verbal altercation with head coach Joe Tiller. There are concerns about his ability to control his emotions.

Anwar Phillips, DC, Penn State (Fourth)
In November 2002, a female student accused Phillips of assaulting her on campus and the school expelled him for two semesters. In addition, he was arraigned on charges of sexual assault and indecent aggravated assault. However, it's important to note that a jury acquitted Phillips of the charges in August of 2003.

Kedrick Golston, DT, Georgia (Fourth/Fifth)
While he was trying to break up a bar fight involving one of his teammates, Golston was arrested and charged with simple battery of a police officer, obstruction of a police officer and disorderly conduct in April of 2005. As a result, Georgia suspended him for the season opener.

Domata Peko, DT, Michigan State (Fifth)
Peko fled the scene when police officers found him urinating in public in May 2005. He later pled guilty to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct.

Adam Stenavich, OG, Michigan (Fifth)
In November 2004, police arrested Stenavich for disorderly conduct in his hometown in Wisconsin. He cursed and screamed at officers who were called to escort him out of a night club because an employee supposedly caught him urinating on the floor. Stenavich eventually paid a fine for the offense.

Reuben Houston, DC, Georgia Tech (Fifth)
Houston has been arrested for driving without a license twice, but those two infractions are overshadowed by a June 2005 arrest for his involvement in a California-based marijuana distribution operation. He pled guilty to charges of conspiracy and intent to distribute 92 pounds of marijuana following the arrest. In April 2006, he was sentenced to nine months probation.

Jeff Webb, WR, San Diego State (Fifth)
Unlike many other players on this list, Webb has stayed out of trouble off the field. However, character is still a concern because he seems overly arrogant and rubs some people the wrong way. Webb does not work very hard, takes plays off and does not like to work the middle of the field.

Hit the links for the full story

RMANCIL
04-18-2006, 03:16 PM
huh??? perhaps you forgot to hit the return key... :D Huff is a cover LB, range 10-20 yds past the LOS...

or you ought to consider my siggie.... :D
Allen is the best secondary player coming out this year period... skill set, maturity, experience,...

nobody believed me last year on Carlos Rogers, and he was/is the best corner from that draft...
A.Cromartie=A.Rolle (knee issues, neither can backpeddle - projects)
J.Williams=PacMan (attitude issues - head cases)

I think I turned you on to Carlos Rodgers last year.:D

I also knew you loved Huff thus the grief.

RMANCIL
04-19-2006, 03:56 AM
Top 10 pro-day winners (http://http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/04/14/pro.day.gainers/index.html)
Prospects on the rise after successful workouts

By Tony Pauline, Special to SI.com

The pro-day workouts are in the books as the 2006 draft draws near. One-on-one interviews and player visits to team facilities are all that's left before the big weekend. As is the case every year, several players came away from the month of March with significantly improved draft stock. Here are the 10 hottest names around the league.

1. A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State: Hawk duplicated his efforts from a terrific combine and bettered many of his marks on campus at the beginning of March. Several teams around the league, including the New Orleans Saints, presently rate Hawk as the top defensive player in the draft. The burning question that must needs answering: Should a linebacker be selected with the second pick of the draft even though outstanding linemen from both sides of the ball are available?

2. Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State: Another outside linebacker who significantly improved his combine numbers, Sims turned in a tremendous workout at Florida State. He ran a 4.47 40, almost a full tenth faster than his time on the carpet at the RCA Dome. Sims is zipping up draft boards and presently ranks as the No. 2 outside linebacker. He should be selected during the first half of Round 1.

3. Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State: Another Seminoles underclassman soaring up draft boards, Cromartie ran in the low 4.4s at his pro day, posted a 42-inch vertical jump and had an excellent showing during defensive-back drills. Once considered a late-first-round choice, Cromartie has moved into the middle of the frame and could be selected as early as 17th by the Vikings.

4. Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota: Unable to run at the combine and at his first pro day due to a strained hamstring, Maroney posted a 4.46 in the 40 as well as a 35.5-inch vertical jump while completing 21 reps on the bench. With the news getting worse for LenDale White by the day, Maroney is moving toward the middle of Round 1.

5. Abdul Hodge, LB, Iowa: After running a pedestrian 4.80 40 at the combine, Hodge posted times of 4.69 and 4.66 in the middle of March, which changed the thinking about him. Teams now project him as both an inside linebacker as well as a weak-side player. His draft stock has improved to the point where he is getting consideration in Round 2.

6. Brian Calhoun, RB, Wisconsin: Warning flags were raised after Calhoun ran terribly slow times at the combine. He bettered them by nearly three tenths of a second during his pro day, stopping watches at 4.35 seconds. Calhoun then put on a pass-catching clinic. He is considered one of the better third-down backs in this draft and solidified himself as a top-60 choice.

7. Jeremy Mincey, DE-OLB, Florida: In a draft full of undersized defensive ends from the college ranks that project as rush linebackers in the NFL, a few were bound to fall through the cracks. Mincey was one who was slipping, until his pro day. Running a 4.65 in the 40, a full tenth of a second faster than his combine time, Mincey is now getting first-day consideration.

8. J.D. Runnells, FB, Oklahoma: Getting little respect coming into the season, Runnells did nothing to endear himself to NFL scouts after a subpar senior campaign. But a great March workout has moved Runnells into the late part of the draft. The 235-pound lead blocker ran his 40 in 4.55 seconds and completed 28 repetitions of 225 pounds on the bench press, numbers that matched many of the top running backs at the combine.

9. Danieal Manning, DB-RS, Abilene Christian: After looking like the best athlete on the field during Texas A&M's pro day, Manning has built a great deal of momentum. Almost a dozen teams have individual interviewed him, and Manning will ride the wave into the draft's first day.

10. Derrick Martin, CB, Wyoming: The underclassman cornerback turned in much faster times at his pro day than his combine workout. Clocking a 4.40 40, he also impressed teams with his mature attitude, which had been a concern. In a draft stacked with defensive backs in the middle of the first day, many are thinking Martin could go as a late choice in Round 3.

RMANCIL
04-19-2006, 04:00 AM
NFL: April 18, 2006 (http://http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/04/18/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html)

For the first time, there is legitimate reason to think that Reggie Bush is not going to be wind up in Houston. As of Monday, the Texans had not had any contract discussions with Bush and his representatives. Yet the Texans have approached defensive end Mario Williams, trying to see if he would be receptive to discussing a deal. But the evidence goes beyond contracts. When Bush was in Houston, a certain segment of the organization never introduced itself to the running back.
-- NFL.com

Although the Cowboys matched the two-year offer sheet safety Keith Davis signed with the Saints, they have made no secret of their hope of finding a true free safety to play opposite strong safety Roy Williams. Michael Huff, who can play safety or cornerback, is the best ball-hawking playmaker in the draft. To get Huff, however, the Cowboys would have to trade up from their 18th pick, possibly as many as 10 positions. Some draft watchers think Huff could go to Detroit at nine or St. Louis at 11.
-- Fort Worth Star-Telegram

The Philadelphia Eagles, the Denver Broncos and the San Francisco 49ers are regarded in news reports as the leading suitors for disgruntled wide receiver Javon Walker, who has asked the Green Bay Packers to trade him.
-- Delaware County Times

One interesting theory regarding why quarterback Brett Favre is delaying his decision on playing this season is that he hopes the Packers will grow frustrated and trade him to a contender. The most obvious team that Favre could lead to the playoffs is Baltimore.
-- Rochester Democrat and Chronicle

The Broncos may bring in Lions quarterback Joey Harrington for a visit. Although Harrington and Miami have a mutual interest, the Lions are looking for more draft trade compensation than the Dolphins may be offering. Last month, Denver coach Mike Shanahan said the team was interested in Harrington as a backup, but it could take some time.
-- Denver Post

By offering Donnie Edwards for trade, Chargers general manager A.J. Smith is seeing what he can get for a 33-year-old linebacker with one year left on his contract. Edwards has also suggested a strained relationship between Smith and super-agent Tom Condon, who represents Edwards and recently departed quarterback Drew Brees, could factor into this potential trade.
-- San Diego Union-Tribune

Jets' owner, Woody Johnson, made the trip to Nashville to meet and dine with Jay Cutler on Sunday night. Johnson's presence was something of a surprise because owners do not usually take part in these sessions, but Johnson is becoming more involved with team operations.
-- New York Times

What very well may be a window into the Jets' thinking for the NFL Draft opened when big-armed quarterback Jay Cutler revealed that Eric Mangini and his staff told him how important it is for a quarterback to be able to weather the forbidding elements at Giants Stadium.
-- New York Post

In recent weeks, the Titans have directed most of their attention toward the other two top quarterbacks in the draft -- Matt Leinart and Vince Young. They haven't ignored Jay Cutler, though. He's been to Baptist Sports Park at least three times, including a workout earlier this month.
-- The Tennessean

Texas quarterback Vince Young spent much of Monday at Winter Park, interviewing with Brad Childress and other key staff members and undergoing a physical.
-- St. Paul Pioneer Press

As Ricky Williams waits to hear whether the NFL will accept or deny his latest appeal of a failed drug test, the Dolphins also are waiting to make some tough decisions of their own. Having already traded away picks in the second, fifth and sixth rounds -- with a pick in the first round unlikely to be used on a running back -- the Dolphins probably would need to use a third-round pick to acquire a back at all worthy of competing with Sammy Morris.
-- Palm Beach Post

Free agent defensive tackle Gary Walker has received interest from the Dolphins, which are seeking to add veteran depth at the position.
-- South Florida Sun-Sentinel

The consensus pick for the Bears in the first round of the NFL draft is a defensive back. As many as 10 are projected to go in the first round, and the Bears found themselves suddenly short of defensive backs in the playoff loss to Carolina.
-- Chicago Tribune

leisure
04-19-2006, 06:51 AM
Hi guys do you mind if leisure plays in the sand box with you guys lol

phillychargerfan
04-19-2006, 06:55 AM
NFL: April 18, 2006 (http://http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/04/18/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html)


By offering Donnie Edwards for trade, Chargers general manager A.J. Smith is seeing what he can get for a 33-year-old linebacker with one year left on his contract. Edwards has also suggested a strained relationship between Smith and super-agent Tom Condon, who represents Edwards and recently departed quarterback Drew Brees, could factor into this potential trade.
-- San Diego Union-Tribune

Keep on floating that out there. Make it seem like a strained relationship and NOT a decline in his play. We just MAY get a second.

RMANCIL
04-19-2006, 07:07 AM
Hi guys do you mind if leisure plays in the sand box with you guys lol

Come on in , great to see you .

Leisure is about as funny of a draft guru as you will find on the net and he also knows a little about football.:D

SanDiegoRon
04-19-2006, 07:10 AM
Come on in , great to see you .

Leisure is about as funny of a draft guru as you will find on the net and he also knows a little about football.:D

BAN HIM....:D

phillychargerfan
04-19-2006, 07:11 AM
Hi guys do you mind if leisure plays in the sand box with you guys lol


OOHHHH Dear GOD :(



:D

phillychargerfan
04-19-2006, 07:12 AM
Come on in , great to see you .

Leisure is about as funny of a draft guru as you will find on the net and he also knows a little about football.:D

VERY little :D

leisure
04-19-2006, 07:25 AM
I miss all my old friends from that other place

phillychargerfan
04-19-2006, 07:27 AM
I miss all my old friends from that other place

Ohh Leisue, someone with your zest for the Chargers and the draft is always welcome here :)

leisure
04-19-2006, 07:28 AM
Ohh Leisue, someone with your zest for the Chargers and the draft is always welcome here :)

why thank ya lil buddy....Does Trumpie come here.

SanDiegoRon
04-19-2006, 07:30 AM
why thank ya lil buddy....Does Trumpie come here.
No... Roo mods this with a tight fist... :D hahahaha
in other words, you may have to tame your rhetoric down... hahahaha

leisure
04-19-2006, 07:32 AM
No... Roo mods this with a tight fist... :D hahahaha
in other words, you may have to tame your rhetoric down... hahahaha

Damn I'm sorta on the run right now anyway looking for a possible new home...

SanDiegoRon
04-19-2006, 07:36 AM
Damn I'm sorta on the run right now anyway looking for a possible new home...
it's rated G here L....

RMANCIL
04-19-2006, 07:37 AM
I miss all my old friends from that other place

We miss you ........You are always good for a chuckle or two , and you can sure pick out the anti Charger players ......nobody can compare.

You can just find the Chris Henry's of the draft like nobody else.:D

phillychargerfan
04-19-2006, 07:39 AM
it's rated G here L....

Nah I don't think it's that bad. Roo, Joe and the other mods do a good job of keeping personal insults to a minimum, but other than that opposing viewpoints are welcome, just don't get personal.

phillychargerfan
04-19-2006, 07:40 AM
why thank ya lil buddy....Does Trumpie come here.

Haven't seen Trumpy in a while, but I did see a post from RIP.

leisure
04-19-2006, 07:49 AM
Nah I don't think it's that bad. Roo, Joe and the other mods do a good job of keeping personal insults to a minimum, but other than that opposing viewpoints are welcome, just don't get personal.

I don't get personal so I should be OK. Rmancil you're not a mod right :lol

phillychargerfan
04-19-2006, 07:54 AM
I don't get personal so I should be OK. Rmancil you're not a mod right :lol


You should be fine!!

RMANCIL
04-19-2006, 07:54 AM
I don't get personal so I should be OK. Rmancil you're not a mod right :lol

Your safe from me........I learned my lesson already. I am just a talent not a member of the mod squad.

They do however limit the language here and the personal attacks name calling that has become a regular item on the other site.

Of course you have always walked the straight and narrow so.....:)


I never banned you anyway so whats with the whining ? :p

RMANCIL
04-19-2006, 07:58 AM
Damn I'm sorta on the run right now anyway looking for a possible new home...

Who put you on the run ??

Did they have torches? :D

RMANCIL
04-19-2006, 09:51 AM
Contenders and Pretenders

As we draw near to draft day the Bolt draft is beginning to take focus.
The Chargers biggest needs are OT and CB.

This draft is loaded with DB and a good many are projected by experts to be worthy of a 1st round grade. I thought I would focus today on the DB.

First thing I want to get out of the way are DB that do not play CB , the Chargers will draft a CB in the top 2 rounds not a safety.

The list

Michael Huff, Texas projects at both safety and CB will be long gone before the S.D. selection. ( )

Jason Allen, Tennessee
Allen was named to the Associated Press All-American third-team in 2004. He opened the season at right cornerback before shifting to free safety for the rest of the year. Allen led the team with a career-high 123 tackles (88 solos), including two sacks and three stops behind the line of scrimmage. He recovered one fumble and caused three others. He had two interceptions and batted away five passes.

Allen shifted back to right corner back for his final season. He collected 35 tackles (28 solos) with a sack and three stops for losses while causing a fumble and deflecting two passes. A hip dislocation just before halftime of the Georgia contest would see Allen's season come to an abrupt end.

In 43 games at Tennessee, Allen started twelve times at free safety and fourteen times at right cornerback. He registered 220 tackles (162 solos) with three sacks for minus-25 yards and seven stops for losses of 35 yards. He caused five fumbles, recovered another and blocked a kick. He deflected eighteen passes and returned four interceptions for 24 yards.

With just a few days before the draft we now have reports of Allen failing a couple of team physicals.

I find that remarkable in that the teams have not been identified , fact is at this point it is fairly understandable that one leg will be stronger than the other and his combine results were off the chart with his bad leg he posted total numbers that were off the charts.

40 Yrd Dash: 4.39
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 17
Vertical Jump: 39 1/2
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.83
3-Cone Drill: 6.77

At Height: 6-1 Weight: 209 He has elite size

Red Flag injury Hip dislocation , what is the real story (http://http://www.totaljoints.info/DISLOCARION_totalhip.htm#5):?
The repeated dislocations always a serious matter

The first dislocation that occurred during the first three postoperative weeks and was treated accordingly has a low risk of recurrence: about 20 to 30 % during the next years.

After another (second) dislocation the risk that the total hip will continue dislocate increases substantially; according to some statistics about 50% of patients who had two dislocations will continue to dislocate their total hip repeatedly; this risk is especially high if the total hip operation was done through posterior approach or if the total hip is a model with a small femoral ball.




Jimmy Williams , Virginia Tech
Williams Height: 6-3 Weight: 213 has the great size and real good speed. He hits and has a nose for the ball. He is one of the most talented defenders in this draft and in my opinion in several drafts.

That said I don't think he will pass muster on the Charger draft board. A.J. Smith has taken into account character and locker room attitude in his player evaluations and Williams struggles with his emotions and maturity .

His interviews at the combine were very brash and while Terrel Owens may have been a example he thinks he wants to emulate , most GM and Smith in particular don't want to introduce a locker room cancer on to their team.

In 46 games for the Hokies, Williams started 32 times. He was credited with 239 tackles (138 solos) with an 11-yard sack, 13.5 stops for losses of 42 yards and two quarterback pressures. He recovered two fumbles and deflected 24 passes. He also gained 173 yards on eight interceptions, returning two for touchdowns.


40 Yrd Dash: 4.44
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 12
Vertical Jump: 33
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.15
3-Cone Drill: 6.69


to be cont...
Tye Hill, Clemson
Height: 5-10 Weight: 185

Hill had an accomplished track career at Clemson 2003-04 academic year he won the Atlantic Coast Conference title in the 60-meter indoors (6.73 seconds) and the 100-meter outdoors (10.29) events.
2005 Season. All-American second-team and All-Atlantic Coast first-team preseason selection by The NFL Draft Report...Added All-ACC first-team preseason honors from Street & Smith, College Football News and the ACC Sportswriters Association...Also a member of the Football Writers Association All-American Watch List...Through the team's first six games, Hill ranks third on the squad with 33 tackles (26 solos)...Again starting at field cornerback,
He has four stops for losses of 13 yards and a forced fumble...Intercepted three passes for 35 yards in returns and deflected two passes...16 of his tackles came vs. the run...Nine of his stops came on third-down plays...Also made a tackle on special teams.

Strengths: Is a track star turned DC. Has blazing speed and is the fastest DC in this class. He has extremely fluid hips. Can turn and run vertically with any WR in the NFL. Is extremely quick in his back pedal. He has explosive closing burst and can make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. Shows very quick feet and good lateral movement skills. He has good leaping ability (39-inch vertical) and will challenge for the jump ball. Is tough for his size. Won't back down from a challenge. His ball skills continue to improve. He's doing a better job of finding the ball in the air and adjusting to it. Is also a threat on the return if he gets daylight. He will fill hard vs. the run. Lacks size but has decent strength and is a fundamentally sound tackler.

Weaknesses: Lacks great experience at the position. Has made huge strides in terms of technique and recognition skills but still is too inconsistent and needs more polish. He is undersized. Lacks height and bulk. Has developed into a good run-support DC, but will occasionally get run over by bigger backs. He will have trouble matching up against bigger WR's in the NFL and may never be more than a slot-corner, as a result.

Biography:
Hill finished his senior season at Clemson with 53 total tackles, including five for loss, three interceptions and seven passes broken up. He was also named to the first team ESPN.com All-American team, the first team Walter Camp All-American team and was one of three finalists for the Jim Thorpe award honoring the nation’s top defensive back.

Hill was a big reason Clemson's defense held a Bobby Bowden-coached FSU team and a Steve Spurrier-coached South Carolina team without an offensive touchdown in the final two games of the season. In addition, his 40 career passes defended are the seventh most in Clemson history (Credit: CuTigers Magazine)

Reports are a combination of ESPN-N.F.L. Draft Scout reports

Get the latest Hill news (http://http://www.tyehill.net/)

Hill stood out at the Senior Bowl , his main draw back is size. Of the top CB he at this point may have the most going for him. He has a good body of college work and he is missing any red flag injury issues or attitude problems.

He is extremely fast and quick . The limited touch rules in the N.F.L. favor quick CB and word is he supports the run pretty well for a CB despite his size.

40 Yrd Dash: 4.34 Vertical Jump: 41 3-Cone Drill: 6.64 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.05



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RMANCIL
04-19-2006, 09:53 AM
Antonio Cromartie, Florida St, Jr.
Height: 6-2 Weight: 208

Cromartie missed all of 2005 with a left knee injury suffered during the preseason. Cromartie also showed off his speed as a member of the school's 2004 Atlantic Coast Conference championship track team. Cromartie was one of five true freshmen to letter for Florida State in 2003. He appeared in every game as a reserve left cornerback, producing 19 tackles (17 solos) with two pass deflections and a 71-yard interception return for a touchdown.

He split cornerback duties with Bryant McFadden and Leroy Smith, starting one of twelve contests on the right side in 2004. Scheduled to start at left cornerback in 2005, Cromartie suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee during a July workout and was forced to sit out the season. In 25 games at Florida State, Cromartie started once. He recorded 41 tackles (35 solos) with a stop for a 5-yard loss and returned a fumble recovery 61 yards for a score. He deflected eight passes and gained 111 yards with two scores on five interception returns. On special teams, he returned 43 kickoffs for 1,003 yards (23.3 avg).

Strengths: Possesses an outstanding combination of size and top-end speed. He is tall with long arms and very good leaping ability. Shows the ability to smother WR's in press coverage and redirect their routes. He is fluid for his size and is able to flip his hips when turning and running vertically. He shows outstanding ball skills and is a natural playmaker. Will challenge for the ball in traffic and shows strong hands. He has good size and strength in run support. A versatile athlete; he has spent time at WR and also flashes a lot of upside as a return specialist.

Weaknesses: Durability is the biggest concern following knee injury in July of 2005. He has been out of football for more than a year. Lacks ideal playing experience and he has never shown great technique. He has lots of room to improve in terms of anticipating routes, reading opposing QB's eyes in zone coverage and finding the ball when turned around.

Reports are a combination of ESPN-N.F.L. Draft Scout reports

His combine work out put him on the charts. Rare size strength speed make him one of the most talked about player in the draft. He lacks any significant body of work in his college career and as a result he is one of the largest gambles in this draft.

40 Yrd Dash: 4.38 Vertical Jump: 42 3-Cone Drill: 7.02 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.89


Jonathan Joseph, South Carolina, Jr.
Height: 5-11 Weight: 193

Joseph spent the 2003 season at Coffeyville College, playing football for head coach Jeff Leiker. He was rated the No. 31 junior college player in the nation by College Football News and earned All-Conference honors as a cornerback. He recorded 43 tackles with a sack and two pass deflections and also had three interceptions for 62 yards and a touchdown.

Heavily recruited by the major schools, Joseph chose South Carolina over Florida in 2004. He started the team's first two games that season, but suffered a broken bone in his foot vs. Georgia. He missed the rest of the season after undergoing surgery, finishing with three solo tackles and a pass deflection.

Joseph returned to start at strong-side cornerback in 2005. He ranked sixth on the team with 55 tackles (40 solos), including 3.5 stops for losses. He deflected nine passes and intercepted four others for 76 yards in returns with a touchdown. He added 141 yards on six kickoff returns (23.5 avg) and also gained 2 yards on a punt return. He finished his South Carolina career with 58 tackles (43 solos) in fourteen games.

Has only fourteen games of major college experience and appeared in 25 total contests...
For his entire collegiate career, Joseph recorded 101 tackles with twelve pass deflections and seven interceptions.

Strengths: A fast-rising prospect with explosive speed. Is a fluid athlete with very good initial quickness and COD skills. He shows the ability to turn-and-run without losing much in transition. Is quick out of his pedal and shows good closing burst. Is able to make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. He shows good leaping ability and will challenge for the ball in traffic. Possesses natural playmaking instincts and very good ball skills. Is aggressive in run support. Willing and fills hard. Shows adequate strength and is an efficient tackler in space. Has some experience as a return specialist and showed some promise in that area  both as a PR and KOR.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Only played one full season at DI-A level. Shows inconsistent technique. Comes out of his pedal too high at times and will get off balance in those instances. Has a tendency to gamble and jump routes prematurely. Looks less comfortable in zone coverage and must improve his overall awareness in that facet. Durability is a concern following broken foot in 2004.

Super Sleeper Team pick by The NFL Draft Report...Recipient of the team's Outstanding Defensive Back Award...Lined up at strong-side cornerback, ranking sixth on the team with 55 tackles (40 solos)...Added 3.5 stops for losses of 9 yards...Deflected nine passes and intercepted four others for 76 yards in returns, including a touchdown...Gained 141 yards on six kickoff returns (23.5 avg) and 2 yards on a punt return.


Reports are a combination of ESPN-N.F.L. Draft Scout reports

Joseph is a very fast green CB who has a very limited body of major college work. He clearly has some quicks and talent however players that have such a limited body of work ususally are drafted in the second round not the first.

It is becuase this draft while very deep lacks a large number of true number 1# selections. We will have a good group of players drafted in the first that just as easily could have been drated in the second round.

Joseph could be one such player.

40 Yrd Dash: 4.31 Vertical Jump: 37 3-Cone Drill: 6.94 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.27

Richard Marshall, Fresno St. Jr.
Kelly Jennings, Miami
Cedric Griffin, Texas
Will Blackmon, Boston College
Ashton Youboty, Ohio State
Demario Minter, Georgia

Vertical Jump
The vertical jump isn’t really the most important test for football players. It is basically a test of explosion and power. Technique is huge here. Each player will be tested by a machine that will measure how high your fingers touch when going directly up in the air. The vertical jump is the most important for receivers and defensive backs.

What it tests: Vertical leg explosion.

20 Yard Shuttle
The 20 yard shuttle is one of the most underrated tests at the combine. The 20 yard shuttle is a test of speed, explosion, and changing of directions. Technique is also important here. Each prospect will be timed by seconds in how fast they can go 5 yards to their left, then 10 back to the right, and finishing 5 yards to their left in one straight line.

The Drill: The player straddles a yard line and puts one hand down in a three-point stance. He can start by going either right or left. Let's say he starts at the 5, with the goal line to his right. He runs 5 yards to his right and touches the goal line with his right hand. He then runs 10 yards to his left and touches the 10-yard line with his left hand. He finishes by running back to the 5.

What it tests: Lateral quickness, coordination and change of direction.

3 Cone Drill
The 3 Cone Drill is the newest addition to the NFL scouting combine, replacing the “4 Cone” or “Box” drill. The 3 cone drill is also a test of speed, explosion, and changing directions. Each prospect will be timed by seconds in how fast they can sprint ten yards, back, back again and around a third cone parallel to the 2nd.

The Drill: Three orange cones are placed on the field forming an "L." Cone 1 is at the end of the L, Cone 2 is at the corner of the L and Cone 3 is at the top of the L. There are 5 yards between each cone. The player starts by getting down in a three-point stance next to Cone 1. He runs to Cone 2, bends down and touches a line with his right hand. Then he turns and runs back to Cone 1, bends down and touches that line with his right hand. Then he runs back to Cone 2 and around the outside of it, weaves inside Cone 3 (as if he were running a figure eight), then cuts tightly around the outside of Cones 3 and 2 before finishing at Cone 1 in a full sprint.

What it tests: Speed, quickness, flexibility, change of direction, body control.

CB need speed and great quickness or twitch skills . The 3 cone and 20 yd shuttle along with the 40 yd times are important drills and numbers for DB.

Size matters in the DB ablity to match up with larger WR and in playing the run. Look at the vert number as well as DB must do battle on a lot of jump balls and fade routes in the gold zone.

RMANCIL
04-19-2006, 09:59 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/transactions

San Francisco 49ers Acquired a first-round pick (22nd overall) from the Denver Broncos in the 2006 draft for a second-round pick (37th overall) and a third-round pick (68th overall).

phillychargerfan
04-19-2006, 09:59 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/transactions

San Francisco 49ers Acquired a first-round pick (22nd overall) from the Denver Broncos in the 2006 draft for a second-round pick (37th overall) and a third-round pick (68th overall).


Check the main board ;)

Chargeroo
04-19-2006, 10:16 AM
No... Roo mods this with a tight fist... :D hahahaha
in other words, you may have to tame your rhetoric down... hahahaha I just agreed to make people follow the rules that the team wanted. I always thought Leisure was a fun guy when I was at the UT so he's welcome as far as I'm concerned. It's certainly true that the rules are more stringent here though. In a way that makes it easier to moderate because we naturally get fewer fights when people aren't calling someone an idiot but on the other hand, always sending reminders about that rule gets to be a pain in the rear too. That and the signature size limits keep us busier than we'd like.

No, Trumpie doesn't post here anymore. I think the rules are too tight for his taste. Too bad because he's a great Charger fan and his quips are usually among the best. The guy is a fun person. When this forum was young and just getting started Trumpie was a huge contributer, he posted often and his posts were good, IMO. Oh well, can't keep them all.

Chargeroo
04-19-2006, 10:19 AM
Rmancil - you dug up some great stuff about the draft a couple of pages back - good reading. Thanks

RMANCIL
04-19-2006, 03:20 PM
I now have to think that with the recent trade with the 49'ers that Smith had to have been approached about a trade of draft picks .

The fact that SF made that deal with Denver gives me two reactions the first is that S.F. is looking at moving up some more in this draft.

I have to wonder about them looking at Bush in a trade with Houston.

The second thought is that Smith is not looking to move down from the 19 slot. He may go up but if he wanted to move down it seems that he could have with S.F.

On the SF trade possibilities Houston 1st slot value is 3,000 SF 6th slot is 1,600 and the 22 slot is 780 that leaves them short 620 points.

It would appear that they would have to trade a choice from next years draft and with the discount it would have to be another 1st round selection.

I don't think they will do that as it would be a huge gamble.

Still why would S.F. make a trade this for in advance of the draft for the rights to the 22 slot round 1 unless they were looking to get the ammo to make a deal?

Maybe it works with the Saints at number 2 that slot is worth 2,600 , that is a much closer point spread and the saints want to move down.

Things are heating up.

CoachD
04-19-2006, 03:47 PM
Ok here is my Mock Draft...



1st - Antonio Cromartie CB 6'2 208 Florida St -Cromartie only played two seasons on the field for Florida St, but he made his presence felt in that short time. After a freshman season in which he played as a reserve, Cromartie was in the three man rotation as a sophomore, earning one start. Despite being classified as the nickel corner, Cromartie picked off four passes and was named All ACC 1st team. His missed this past season after tearing his ACL. From a physical standpoint, Cromartie is the ideal cornerback. He has excellent size, but couples that with excellent agility, quickness, and speed. He displays the ability to easily turn and cover receivers and keep up stride for stride with them down the field. He also shows the willingness to support the run and put his size to good use. With his height and jumping ability, he is tough to beat in one on one situations. In his only season with consistent playing time, Cromartie was one of the biggest playmakers at the corner position in the country.
2nd -Eric Winston OT 6'6 302 Miami (Chargers Trade Donnie Edwards and their own 2nd to move up in the second to draft Winston)
Winston is a very talented tackle prospect. He has a great frame, with room for additional growth. He is a very good athlete, with very good agility. He has great footwork, and is always in position to keep his man in front of him. Winston's toughness is second to none and he will not back down from anyone. He also has untapped potential left, as he has only played on the offensive line for three seasons. A torn left ACL in 2004 has hurt Winston's stock. Had he not been injured, he had the makings of a Top 10 selection. The injury Winston suffered has caused some doubt around his future. Whoever drafts him may get an added bonus, because if he gets back to his old form, he is a franchise level left tackle.
3rd -Jonathan Scott OT 6’6 310 TexasJonathan Scott is the latest in the Longhorn tackle tradition to be a prime NFL prospect. He moved into the right tackle spot as a freshman and has been a starter since. He shifted over to left tackle as a sophomore, and has remained there the past three years. Scott is a three time All Big 12 honoree, and a two time all American. Scott is the prototype tackle prospect. He’s tall, athletic, has very long arms, and is strong. He has the athleticism and footwork to play on the left side, and the strength to play the right side. Scott’s arms are very long, which will help him keep defenders at bay in the NFL. There really is not anything he is lacking physically as it projects to the next level. The only thing Scott may lack is ideal aggressiveness. He’ll be passive at times and won’t finish off blocks. He could dominate all the time if he displayed the constant aggression on the field.
4th-Bernard Pollard S 6’2 226 Purdue Jr.
Bernard Pollard has been a tackling machine from his safety spot since his freshman year at Purdue. Pollard’s strength is clearly attacking the line of scrimmage. With his size and strength, he can play like an extra linebacker in the running game. He can weed through traffic and lay a lick on the ball carrier. He breaks down well and space and can tackle in the open field. Pollard also has the pure athleticism to play in coverage and he has improved every year on his cover skills. He is also a standout special teamer. Pollard did pick off three passes this year, but he has not been a major factor in coverage at Purdue. He use to be non existent in coverage, but is improving, so he may just need more time to develop these skills. He is not slow on the field, but he does not have ideal speed, and that is part of the problem in coverage.
5th -Frostee Rucker DE 6’3 260 USC Frostee Rucker began his career at Colorado St. but transferred to USC after his freshman season. In his first two seasons at USC, he totaled 55 tackles, 11.5 for loss, and four sacks. As a senior, he matched those numbers. For the year he had 51 tackles, 12 for loss, and 6.5 sacks. Showing his consistency, Rucker put up similar numbers as a senior, finishing with 56 tackles, 14 for loss, with 6.5 sacks and an interception. Rucker makes his presence felt all over the field. Frostee Rucker has been a key member of USC’s success recently. He does not put up eye-popping stats, but his ability to consistently get into the backfield has disrupted opponents. His upside is very limited, but he is a guy who could be a solid back up at the next level. His attitude is an asset, as he keeps things light, but turns up the intensity on the field, and gets his teammates to step up as well.
6(a) Drew Olson QB 6’3 210 UCLA After tearing his ACL in the 2004 Las Vegas Bowl, Drew Olson has made a speedy recovery. Olson threw for 2,565 yards and 20 touchdowns and ranks in the Top 5 all-time for passing yards and attempts. Threw for four touchdowns against Arizona and Cal in back-to-back games and had a career-high 325 yards against Arizona State throwing two more touchdowns, giving him 10 in a three-game span. Olson has started 26 games at UCLA in his three-year career.
6(b) Brandon Johnson OLB 6’5 240 Louisville Johnson is consistently around the ball and makes a lot of plays. For a linebacker, he was involved in one play out of every 7.4 snaps, which is very good, and if he can improve in the areas mentioned above, he can become a tremendously productive NFL linebacker. Johnson is such a gifted athlete, especially in regards to his speed and explosiveness, that he has relied upon talent throughout his career at Louisville, instead of using all the technique that he has been coached to use -- and this has hindered his ability to make plays when he has to deal with blocks. Overall, Johnson should eventually bulk up to 230 pounds without losing much of his explosiveness and playing speed, he will improve vs. blockers (although he will never be great), and he will do a better job of playing with his knees bent and with leverage -- which will combine to let him become a good starting linebacker in the NFL. However, despite athleticism and speed, he is a project who will need at least one season as a backup to improve his all-around game to become the player he should become. An added bonus is that with his tremendous playing speed, he will be able to make an immediate impact on special teams, while he learns to play linebacker at the NFL level.
7(a) Devin Aromashodu WR 6’2 210 Auburn He is a tall receiver with good athleticism, explosiveness and playing speed, but needs to work on his routes in order to become a well-rounded receiver. He has the hands to reach out and pluck the ball away from his body. He can adjust to make tough catches on off-target throws and can catch the over-the-shoulder throw deep down the field. He is an aggressive runner once he has the ball and has consistently shown the ability to make plays running with the ball. He can burst through holes and keep his feet after contact, and has the explosive playing speed to make big plays. Overall, Aromashodu will struggle to be a good all-around receiver in the NFL, but he probably has the size and athleticism to be a legitimate deep-threat receiver and big-play return man. He will need to greatly improve his routes on short/medium passes in order to become a complete NFL receiver who make a big on short/medium routes AND deep routes and returns.
7(b) Sir Henry Anderson DT 6’4 301 Oregon St Anderson is a good-sized defensive tackle with good athletic ability, which helps him to be productive when he plays with leverage and is aggressive with hands. Has quick feet for a 300-pound defensive tackle, accelerates to full speed quickly and can chase down running backs on runs away better than expected -- good closing burst to the ball. The trouble is that he is not consistently productive and needs to play with leverage and aggressiveness on every snap to be the DT he is capable of being. He is most likely going to end up as a backup defensive tackle, but if he plays with leverage and aggressiveness more consistently, he could become a decent starter. He is best suited to play nose tackle in a 4-3 defense where the defense flips the under tackle around the nose tackle, or as the nose tackle for a team that plays a 3-4 defense.

RMANCIL
04-20-2006, 07:51 AM
Great Blue North reports (http://http://www.gbnreport.com/)

Browns’ exec breaks ‘cone of silence’… Normally NFL executives aren’t very forthcoming at all about the upcoming draft is shaping up. Cleveland G.M. Phil Savage, though, broke with precedence, at least a tad, early this week in a pre-draft press conference. Savage actually didn’t have much to say about the Brown’s particular plans other than the team will focus on defensive front seven players with their opening round pick. What Savage’s comments did do, though, was open a bit of window as to some of the secrets of pre-draft planning. As reported in the Cleveland Plain Dealer in an article by Tony Grossi, Savage indicated, for example, that the Browns’ draft board will differ from of many other teams because the team uses a 3-4 defensive scheme such that some of the positions the Browns project for the defensive players may be different from the majority of teams which employ the more traditional 4-3 defense. As a result, the Browns – and we presume other 3-4 teams - are grading DEs like Tamba Hali of Penn State, Darryl Tapp of Virginia Tech, Parys Haralson of Tennessee, Manny Lawson of North Carolina State, Kamerion Wimbley of Florida State, Rob Ninkovich of Purdue and Mike Kudla of Ohio State as OLBs. Meanwhile, the Browns are reportedly projecting Ohio State LBs A.J. Hawk and Bobby Carpenter, who are normally considered outside guys as MLBs. Same for Iowa's Chad Greenway, Ernie Sims of Florida State, DeMeco Ryans of Alabama, and Roger McIntosh of Miami. Meanwhile the Browns list Oregon's Haloti Ngata as the top rated nose tackle on their board followed by Baba Oshinowo from Stanford and Gabe Watson of Michigan. At the same time, the Browns classify DTs like Florida State's Brodrick Bunkley, John McCargo of North Carolina State, Northwestern’s Barry Cofield of Northwestern and Rodrique Wright of Texas.as defensive ends. The Browns also indicated that while they are not likely to take a QB themselves in one of the big three at the position this year – Matt Leinart of USC, Vince Young of Texas or Vanderbilt’s Jay Cutler – but have been keeping an eye on the position ostensibly to gauge the trade value of those players should they be still available when the Browns get on the clock with the 12th pick. The Browns also indicated that they will intensify efforts to trade C Jeff Faine, the team’s #1 pick in 2003 who became expendable when the Browns signed free agent C LeCharles Bentley from New Orleans, again next week and into the draft. Elsewhere, Dallas signed former Houston and New York Jets DB Marcus Coleman. With the Cowboys also retaining the rights to restricted free agent FS Keith Davis, Dallas may have shored up the FS spot enough that they can now focus on other positions with their early picks at the 2006 draft.
April 19
(3:00 PM): 49ers get second #1 pick from Broncs... In a bit of a surprise, San Francisco has acquired the 22nd overall selection in the draft from Denver in exchange for the 49ers second and third round picks, the 37th and 68th overall picks in the deal. Denver had originally acquired the 22nd pick from Washington in a draft prior to the 2005 draft. The Broncos, though, still have their other first round pick, the 15th overall. The Broncos also now have 4 of the firts 68 picks this year, and with three 4th rounders, also have 7 of the first 130 picks. Meanwhile, by acquiring a second opening round pick this year, they already owned the 6th selection, the 49ers could be in a position to select a pure best player available such as Maryland TE Vernon Davis with their first pick, but then fill a primary need by taking a DB or LB with the selection acquired from the Broncos.
(9:00 AM): Jets add Bush to workout mix… In something of a surprise, the New York Jets also had Southern California RB Reggie Bush work out for them yesterday morning as part of their visit with Trojans’ QB Matt Leinart. The Jets had scheduled a meeting with Bush yesterday morning prior to their scheduled workout with Leinart, however, Bush agreed to run a few pass routes as part of the team's private workout with QB Leinart. The fact that the Jets decided on a last minute session with Bush added a little more fuel to the speculation that Houston, which has the #1 pick at this year’s draft and has long been expected to take Bush, may be reconsidering their options with the first pick. There has also been some speculation that the Jets, with extra picks in both the 3rd and 4th rounds, might be thinking of moving up to the #1 spot to select Bush, who isn’t likely to last to the 4th pick if Houston were to pass on him. That latter scenario seems unlikely however; indeed, the word around New York is that the Jets are more likely to trade down than up at this point. There also seems to be a growing consensus in New York that the Jets are increasingly likely to take a quarterback in later rounds next weekend. In fact, it did not go unnoticed that team owner Woody Johnson did not make the trip to Los Angeles for the Leinart visit after traveling to Nashville to see Vanderbilt QB Jay Cutler last weekend. Johnson explained his absence by saying he had to return to New York to attend some league business. Meanwhile, the Jets brass including G.M. Mike Tannenbaum and head coach Eric Mangini will be in Oregon today to workout out rising Ducks’ QB Kellen Clemens. A possible second round pick for the Jets before moving on to Austin tomorrow to work out Vince Young of Texas. And speaking of the Texans, there have been denials out of Houston that the team is considering other options than USC’s Bush with the first pick. Indeed, just the opposite, it appears that Texans’ officials will tell anyone who will listen that there are no guarantee they will use the first pick in the draft on Bush, while they remain effusive in their praise for North Carolina State DE Mario Williams. Whether this is just a bargaining ploy to keep Bush’s contract demands in bounds or represents a legitimate interest in the former Wolfpack star who probably will fill a bigger need with the Texans who are switching to a 4-3 defense this fall, however, remains to be seen.
(12:01 AM): Report: Bush and Texans not a perfect match… It may be just a case of reacting to too much smoke, but NFL.com analyst Adam Schefter is suggesting that in the end, Houston may not select Southern Cal RB Reggie Bush with the #1 pick at this year’s draft, now 10 days for those counting these things. According to the Schefter column, the Texans, who can negotiate with and sign their choice or choices to be the first player off the board, have not even opened talks with Bush, but have had talks with North Carolina State DE Mario Williams. Williams, who is generally considered to be the top defensive player in the 2006 draft class, and could be the second best player on the overall board after Bush, represents a bigger need for the Texans who are switching to a 4-3 defense this fall and don’t have a prototype every down pass-rushing end to line up opposite newly signed Anthony Weaver. Meanwhile, the Texans are reasonably well stocked at RB with Dominck Davis and 2005 draftee Vernand Morency, although neither possesses Bush’s incredible explosiveness and big-play potential.
Jets add stop to x-country draft tour… The New York Jets had a full contingent in Los Angeles yesterday for a final look at Southern Cal QB Matt Leinart as part a national tour to wrap-up their pre-draft preparations. G.M. Mike Tannebaum, head coach Eric Mangini, plus most of the Jets’ key scouts were in L.A. for the workout with Leinart. The Jets also worked out Vanderbilt QB Jay Cutler in Nashville on Sunday and will be in Austin on Thursday for a final visit with Texas QB Vince Young. And just to add a little spice to the mix, the Jets have reportedly added a side trip to Oregon for a visit with Ducks’ QB Kellen Clemens who is moving up draft boards around the NFL. To date though, the Jets have given out few hints as to whether they will in fact select a QB on the 29th – and if so which one – or opt for another position player such as Virginia OT D’Brickashaw Ferguson at that spot. The consensus still appears to be that the Jets, having restructured incumbent starting QB Chad Pennington despite his questionable health after undergoing rotator cuff surgery for the second year in a row, and trading for former Washington first rounder, are leaning to taking a player such as Ferguson rather than a QB. There is some speculation, though that the Jets will seriously consider Leinart if he is still available when they pick 4th, however, the Jets appear to have pretty much ruled out trading up for a QB. At the same, though, there was at least one media report out of the New York area which speculated that the Jets are still intrigued by Vanderbilt’s Cutler. It has generally been a given that a QB must have special arm strength to deal with the winds at the Meadowlands, especially late in the season, and that Cutler is the best-armed of the three top QBs to meet that requirement. Meanwhile, Leinart will be in New Orleans later today to meet with Saints’ officials and then will head back to the coast to visit with Oakland on Friday. Texas’ Young will also be in Oakland later this week with a visit to the Raiders set for Thursday.
cont...

RMANCIL
04-20-2006, 07:52 AM
Ducks’ QB on the rise… Speaking of Oregon QB Kellen Clemens, the former Ducks’ pivot may have moved into the #4 spot among QBs behind Leinart, Young and Cutler on draft boards around the NFL. At least that’s where we have him on our latest QB rankings list. Clemens started to catch scouts attention when he reportedly threw the ball very well at the Ducks’ pro day in mid-March. That was after Clemens was largely inactive for much of the pre-draft period, while he fully healed from a broken ankle suffered in October. Like USC’s Leinart, Clemens doesn’t necessarily have a cannon for an arm, but he has a quick release and throws a very accurate, catchable pass. He’s also not all that tall at a tad under 6-2; Clemens also isn’t overly fast with a 40 time in the mid 4.9s, but he has good pocket awareness. Plus scouts like Clemens’ work ethic, competiveness, and commitment to the game.

Pro football
NFL draft ticker (http://http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060420/SPORTS11/604200520/1049/SPORTS01)

Mock up

He's no Mel Kiper Jr., but Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News has his own mock draft. His top 10, with team, player, position and college:

1. Houston, Reggie Bush, HB, Southern Cal.

2. New Orleans, Matt Leinart, QB, Southern Cal.

3. Tennessee, Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt.

4. NY Jets, Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State.

5. Green Bay, A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State.

6. San Francisco, Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland.

7. Oakland, Vince Young, QB, Texas.

8. Buffalo, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia.

9. Detroit, Michael Huff, CB/S, Texas.

10. Arizona, Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon.

49ers need all the picks they can get

The San Francisco 49ers acquired one of the Denver Broncos' two first-round draft picks, the 22nd overall, for second- and third-round selections in this month's National Football League draft.

The 49ers, who had a 4-12 record last season, now have two first-round picks for the first time since 2000. They also have the sixth overall choice in the April 29-30 draft.

San Francisco had the No. 1 pick last year and drafted quarterback Alex Smith.

The Broncos still have the 15th pick and receive the 37th overall pick (2nd round) and 68th selection (3rd round) from the 49ers. Denver has seven picks over the first four rounds of the seven-round draft.

Maryland's Davis: a 'new breed' of TE

Vernon Davis may not be a water-cooler name yet.

But people could be talking about him before long.

The former University of Maryland tight end is seen as not only a future star, but the embodiment of a new breed of player at his position -- good size, tremendous athleticism and blazing speed. He's 6-foot-3, 254 pounds.

"I feel good about being labeled the new breed of tight end," Davis said at the NFL combine. "That's what it is, when you got a guy who can do more than catch the ball, to get extra yardage after catching the ball and make guys miss."

Davis, who left Maryland after his junior year, established records for tight ends at February's combine when he timed 4.38 in the 40 and recorded a 42-inch vertical jump.

Quotables

• Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler: "I don't think I am really a gunslinger, I take chances, but I think they are calculated chances. I know what I am doing."

• Alabama quarterback Brodie Croyle: "You're going to be in a fishbowl. You're either going to be the most liked man in the state or the most hated. I'm glad I finished my career liked instead of hated."

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RMANCIL
04-20-2006, 08:13 AM
Broncos eyeing Holmes (http://http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors)
<Apr. 19> The Broncos trade of the 22nd pick in the first round to the 49ers shows that Mike Shanahan wants to deal with volume on offense instead of isolating on one top player, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports.
What this trade does is put them in position to take a wide receiver, possibly Santonio Holmes at No. 15, and take a running back and a pass-catching tight end in the second round.

There is a need for the Broncos to come up with a wide receiver in the first day of the draft. Former first-round pick Ashley Lelie isn?t training with the team this offseason and is telling friends he wants a trade.

The Broncos have interest in trading for wide receiver Jevon Walker, who wants out of Green Bay. The problem is the Packers have not shown any indication of letting Walker out of Green Bay.

Niners cornering market
<Apr. 19> By acquiring the Broncos' first-round pick at No. 22, the 49ers put themselves right in the middle of a run on first-round cornerbacks, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports. They may not get Jimmy Williams of Virginia Tech or Jason Allen of Tennessee, or even Tye Hill of Clemson, but they could be in position to draft either Jonathan Joseph of South Carolina, Ashton Youboty of Ohio State, Antonio Cromartie of Florida State or Richard Marshall of Fresno State.
Meanwhile, as much as teams think the 49ers will take Maryland tight end Vernon Davis with the No. 6 pick, there is speculation San Francisco could go for Texas defensive back Michael Huff, reports ESPN.com's John Clayton.

Huff can play safety or cornerback, and the 49ers have cornerback as one of their main need positions. Davis may merit the sixth pick in the draft because of his rare athletic ability -- at 254 pounds, he's able to run a 4.38-second 40 -- but that's a lot of money to pay a tight end. Of course, how many tight ends have this kind of talent?


White attracting plenty of attention
<Apr. 19> White had a good visit with the Steelers on Tuesday. The Steelers aren?t too concerned about much his partially torn hamstring, and the team was left with the impression he probably won?t fall to them at No. 32, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports.
Despite his torn right hamstring, teams continue to demonstrate a high level of interest in White. White already spent Monday visiting with Dallas officials and has several other trips planned this week.

ESPN.com has confirmed that a few teams have removed White from their draft boards, but the clubs who have been interested in the draft's only true "big" back all remain intrigued by him.

White's camp may suggest to teams that if they choose him in the first round, the two sides can negotiate a contract that places considerable bonus money in workout and weight clauses. Such a move might alleviate teams' fears and also protect them financially.


Texans considering Williams
<Apr. 19> Even though the Texans have publicly declared their intentions of negotiating with Williams, they have not submitted a written proposal to the defensive end, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports.
Texans are trying to get Reggie Bush to not hold out for too much money. Bush still appears to be the first pick, but Williams is definitely in their thoughts. If the Texans were to make an offer and Williams accepted, he could be the number one pick in the draft.

Jets passing on Leinart?
<Apr. 18> The more you hear out of the New York Jets, the more you get the feeling they may not take Leinart, writes ESPN.com's John Clayton. The Jets have Chad Pennington, Patrick Ramsey and Brooks Bollinger, and while that might not be enough if Pennington can't come back from shoulder surgery, the Jets are giving serious consideration to taking a position player with the No. 4 pick in the draft.
Leinart's visit to the Saints this week creates an interesting scenario. Even though the Saints aren't expected to draft a quarterback with the second pick after signing Drew Brees, they need to establish reasonable doubt in the teams looking for quarterbacks to create trade talk.

Clearly, New Orleans would prefer a non-quarterback after signing Brees, but his contract is structured in a way that the team can get out of it after one year. Nevertheless, if the Saints can be convincing about creating reasonable doubt about the No. 2 pick, they could get trade offers.

QBs wil be hard to resist?
<Apr. 18> Don't expect the Raiders to trade up for Vince Young or Matt Leinart -- but it will be hard for them to draft another position if one of the top QBs falls to them, writes ESPN.com's John Clayton. If the Titans take Young, and the Raiders have a chance at Leinart, it would be a natural fit. The Raiders don't have to rush Leinart into the starting lineup because they have Aaron Brooks at least for this season. It's not known how the Raiders feel about Jay Cutler.

Saints eyeing Hawk
<Apr. 18> There hasn't been a linebacker chosen in the top 10 of any draft since 2000, when the Washington Redskins selected LaVar Arrington with the second overall pick. But many scouts believe that Hawk is the top defensive player at any position in this year's pool, and will make an immediate impact.
For all the talk about the Saints and Mario Williams of North Carolina State, the defensive player New Orleans most covets is Hawk, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports. The Saints already have a pair of first-round ends in Charles Grant (2002) and Will Smith (2004), and have been trying for years to shore up a shabby linebacking corps.

New coordinator Gary Gibbs is going to completely rebuild the linebacking corps and Hawk would be a terrific centerpiece. The Saints would prefer to move out of their current No. 2 slot, go back a few places, and take Hawk.


Bucs may stop at McNeill
<Apr. 18> While the Bucs have shored up the offensive line to some extent, the coaches would still love to get a young left offensive tackle to develop for the future, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports.
Tampa Bay knows that Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson will be long gone by the time it chooses in the No. 23 spot, and that's likely the case for USC tackle Winston Justice, another player the Bucs covet.

So the Bucs have turned their attention to McNeill as a viable alternative. McNeill has experienced some back problems in the past and the Tampa Bay medical staff is closely scrutinizing that situation.


Browns interested in Wimbley
<Apr. 18> The growing number of 3-4 defenses in the league has enhanced the value of hybrid-type "edge" defenders like Wembley, who some teams now have rated in the top half of the first round, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports.
An end for the Seminoles, Wimbley has the kind of size and explosivness to move to a two-point stance and play "rush" linebacker in a 3-4 front. The Browns, who had the fewest sacks in the league in 2005, signed veteran Willie McGinest to help bolster their pass rush. But McGinest is more a power rusher at this point in his career, so a guy like Wimbley would be a great fit. McGinest would be a great tutor for him.

The Browns are a good bet to nab either Bunkley or Haloti Ngata which ever player the Bills pass on. Ngata would man the NG in the 3-4 or Bunkley would play DE.

They love Wimbley and Lawson and both are real good bets to go in the first round as well. At 43 they could take Darryl Tapp, who could project at OLB for them and he is very good off the edge.


Whitworth watch

I have been projecting Andrew Whitworth, T as a mid 1st round to early second round selection for several months now.

Keep a eye on him as the major draft sites start to move him up the boards. Fact is he is one of the few OT who will be cleared to start in the N.F.L. from the opening bell.

Most OT candidates have heath or play issues or attitude questions while he has none. Some team that needs OT will draft him in the mid 1st to mid 2nd round range mark my words.

This draft has about 15 real 1st round players and about 60 second round players maybe more. The list of players with great measurable is huge but they have a lot of injury issues and that key word potential.

You know what they say about players that have boat loads of potential and little game experience?

Coach killers.

Most coach's will take game experience over potential every time.

phillychargerfan
04-20-2006, 08:24 AM
Whitworth watch

I have been projecting Andrew Whitworth, T as a mid 1st round to early second round selection for several months now.

Keep a eye on him as the major draft sites start to move him up the boards. Fact is he is one of the few OT who will be cleared to start in the N.F.L. from the opening bell.

Most OT candidates have heath or play issues or attitude questions while he has none. Some team that needs OT will draft him in the mid 1st to mid 2nd round range mark my words.

This draft has about 15 real 1st round players and about 60 second round players maybe more. The list of players with great measurable is huge but they have a lot of injury issues and that key word potential.

You know what they say about players that have boat loads of potential and little game experience?

Coach killers.

Most coach's will take game experience over potential every time.

Well I'm sold on Whitworth. Then in the 2nd maybe come back with Spencer and in the 3rd nab Trueblood. This is under the assumption Fletcher is resigned. I think if AJ goes Whitworth in the 1st, Fletcher is signed before the draft is over. Go oline with the 1st 3 picks. Then we don't have to worry about oline for the next 10 years.

Besides, if anyone has ever watched Whitworth play or even read his scouting report he SCREAMS an AJ type player!

edit:
I would put Whitworth at RT to start, I believe he could play LT in our oline scheme. Have Trueblood back him up at RT, move Olivea to RG and have Spencer compete for LG. Nice depth and some NASTY playing olinemen.

RMANCIL
04-20-2006, 08:31 AM
Fewer first-round gambles expected this year (http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2414130)

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

With the seventh overall selection in last year's draft, the Minnesota Vikings chose South Carolina wide receiver Troy Williamson, a player they paid $11.34 million in bonuses and first-year base salary. Williamson produced 24 catches, 372 yards and two touchdowns.


Twenty-eight picks later, with the third slot in the second round, the Philadelphia Eagles took University of Georgia wide receiver Reggie Brown. How did his rookie statistics compare to those of Williamson? Well, he caught 19 more passes, had 199 more receiving yards, and twice as many touchdown catches.


Oh, yeah, Brown cost the Eagles $9 million less in rookie pay than Williamson banked from the Vikings.


Now, that, folks, represents freakanomics, NFL-style, at least when it comes to rookie wide receivers. And it also represents the latest reminder that, with first-year pass catchers, occasionally you get more than what you paid for. But most times, history has demonstrated, you get a lot less, particularly when it comes to first-round selections at the position.

“ It's a very steep learning curve, and it takes some guys a year or two to overcome it. It's a very short list of guys who come in and make an immediate difference at the position.”
—Vikings head coach Brad Childress

"It hasn't exactly been much of a 'return on investment' position," said one NFC general manager whose team has, for the most part, managed to ignore the annual siren song that tempts franchises into investing on first-round wide receivers. "But every year, it seems, teams fall into the trap. There aren't many years where there haven't been, like, four, five six wide receivers in the first round. And most of them simply do not produce as rookies. You wonder if teams even look at the numbers."


The first-year numbers from the six wide receivers chosen in the first round of the 2005 draft are thus: An average of 5.5 starts, 32.3 receptions, 430.5 yards and 2.7 touchdowns. Only one first-round wide receiver, Mark Clayton of the Baltimore Ravens, had more than 40 receptions. Just two others, Jacksonville's Matt Jones and Braylon Edwards of Cleveland, had more than 30 catches. In fairness, it should be pointed out that Edwards, the third overall choice in the 2005 draft, missed six games because of a torn right anterior cruciate ligament.

Such devastating injuries, however, are just one component of what has made drafting wide receivers in the first round a risky proposition.


The good news is that, given the lack of quality in this year's wide receiver class, the first-round gambles at the position should be relatively few and possibly altogether eliminated. Even better news for long suffering Detroit Lions fans: Team president Matt Millen, who has chosen first-round wide receivers in each of the last three drafts, will not extend the streak to four.


Most teams rate only two wide receivers, Santonio Holmes of Ohio State and Florida's Chad Jackson, as viable first-round prospects. A few clubs include mighty mite Sinorice Moss of Miami as a potential pick near the bottom of the first round. A few other franchises even think Jackson, rated as neck-and-neck with Holmes on many draft boards, could slide precipitously.


Always a daunting task, projecting wide receivers in this year's draft will be a challenging chore, scouts agree. The trick will be in determining which prospects best dovetail with a team's offensive system, and in deciding the right round in which to choose those players.


The dearth of top-shelf wide receivers this year should mean that more teams delay taking a player at the position until later in the draft, perhaps a sound strategy. Of the 14 rookie wide receivers who had 15 or more catches in 2005, six were chosen in the third round or later. One of the most effective rookies, Chris Henry of Cincinnati, was a third-round selection. Seventh-round choice LeRon McCoy of Arizona, had 18 receptions, just a half-dozen fewer than Williamson.


"In most years, people say the number of (first-round) wide receivers will go down, but this looks to be the year it really happens," said Carolina Panthers coach John Fox. "The top-end talent just isn't there this year at the position."


Not since 1992, when the lone wideout selected in the first round was Desmond Howard by Washington, has there been fewer than three first-round wide receivers. In the last 10 drafts, for instance, there has been an average of 4.5 first-round wide receivers. Since 1994, when the NFL reduced the draft to seven rounds, the average has been 4.3.


But there is virtually no way, short of several personnel directors completely losing their senses, those first-round averages for wide receivers will be even remotely approximated this year.


Said Baltimore general manager Ozzie Newsome: "You'll still see overall numbers at the position through seven rounds, because there are always a lot of wide receivers on draft boards, and a lot get chosen. But the first round isn't going to be like it's been recently."

Holmes is arguably the most accomplished prospect at the position, a deep burner with terrific athleticism, but scouts worry about his size and propensity for drops. Jackson electrified scouts at the combine and has posted superb individual workouts, but the draft road is littered with Gators wide receivers who failed to live up to their billing. Moss is the brother of Redskins star Santana Moss, shares the same breathtaking quickness, but is just 5-feet-8 and playing a position where the profile has skewed toward bigger players.


While there doesn't figure to be the usual quota of first-round wide receivers, the rest of the first day will have the normal complement, and should include solid second- and third-round prospects such as Greg Jennings (Western Michigan), Demetrius Williams (Oregon), Maurice Stovall (Notre Dame), Derek Hagan (Arizona State), Brandon Williams (Central Florida) and Travis Wilson (Oklahoma), among others.


If history is any indicator, some of those players will perform better as rookies than the wide receivers who will be chosen in the fist round.


"It's just a difficult position to come into as a rookie and make a big impact," said Minnesota first-year head coach Brad Childress. "I don't think people outside the game appreciate the difficulty involved. I mean, you can talk about the speed of the game, and how different it is, but there are a lot of other things that contribute to the problems players have at the position. It's a very steep learning curve, and it takes some guys a year or two to overcome it. It's a very short list of guys who come in and make an immediate difference at the position."


A very short list, indeed, especially in terms of first-rounders.

Since 1990, there have been 60 wide receivers chosen in the first round and only four of them -- Joey Galloway (1995), Terry Glenn (1996), Randy Moss (1998) and Michael Clayton (2004) -- registered 1,000 yards as rookies. The only other wide receiver since 1990 to be chosen in any round and to post 1,000 yards in his debut campaign was Anquan Boldin in 2003. That's five wide receivers, out of the 546 selected since 1990, to have 1,000-yard rookie seasons.


The number of 1,000-yard rookie wideouts since 1970, the year of the NFL-AFL merger, is a mere nine. And that's counting 117 first-round wideouts

Cont click the link

RMANCIL
04-20-2006, 08:39 AM
Well I'm sold on Whitworth. Then in the 2nd maybe come back with Spencer and in the 3rd nab Trueblood. This is under the assumption Fletcher is resigned. I think if AJ goes Whitworth in the 1st, Fletcher is signed before the draft is over. Go oline with the 1st 3 picks. Then we don't have to worry about oline for the next 10 years.

Besides, if anyone has ever watched Whitworth play or even read his scouting report he SCREAMS an AJ type player!

edit:
I would put Whitworth at RT to start, I believe he could play LT in our oline scheme. Have Trueblood back him up at RT, move Olivea to RG and have Spencer compete for LG. Nice depth and some NASTY playing olinemen.

I would as well however Oben may not be ready to play LOT when we start the season and other than the draft I don't see any other way to land a player to fill in for him.

Winston is still getting a lot of play however his run blocking skills are not well suited to the Bolts.

Whitworth isn't as quick as Winston but he is much stronger and his wingspan is much better. Winston will need a lot more work based on the games that I have seen him in as compared to Whitworth.

I no longer expect the Bolts will try and trade down from 19 , they may go up or they will stand pat and make their pick.

That does not rule out a draft day trade moving the club up in round 2 from their current position. The Chargers have a boat load of lower round selections that they can barter with.

phillychargerfan
04-20-2006, 09:13 AM
That does not rule out a draft day trade moving the club up in round 2 from their current position. The Chargers have a boat load of lower round selections that they can barter with.

I agree on both points. I can see us moving up and I can see us trading our 2nd day picks to do it. If you look over the roster I can't imagine any draftee making the team past the 5th round.

I also think AJ is quietly addressing the secondary in free agency. McCree, Lott (mainly special teams, but will fill in),then add in the regulars Jue, Kiel, Hart,etc.etc. I think AJ is going ALL oline first day. Unless there is a top 15 player at 19, then I think AJ will shop the pick. The last scenario is highly unlikely.

Chargeroo
04-20-2006, 09:49 AM
Dated - 4/20/06
1 Houston Texans Reggie Bush RB USC
2 New Orleans Saints Mario Williams DE N. C. St.
3 Tennessee Titans Matt Leinart QB USC
4 NY Jets D Ferguson OT Virginia
5 Green Bay Packers A.J. Hawk LB Ohio State
6 San Francisco 49ers Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida St.
7 Oakland Raiders Vince Young QB Texas
8 Buffalo Bills Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
9 Detroit Lions Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
10 Arizona Cardinals Vernon Davis TE Maryland
11 St. Louis Rams Gabe Watson DT Michigan
12 Cleveland Browns Michael Huff S/CB Texas
13 Baltimore Tye Hill CB Clemson
14 Philadelphia Chad Jackson WR Florida
15 Denver Broncos Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
16 Miami Dolphins Winston Justice OT USC
17 Minnesota Vikings Chad Greenway LB Iowa
18 Dallas Cowboys Manny Lawson DE/LB N.C. State
19 San Diego Chargers Andrew Whitworth OT LSU
20 Kansas City Chiefs Jimmy Williams CB Virginia T
21 New England Patriots Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
22 San Francisco 49ers Jason Allen CB/S Tennessee
23 Tampa Bay Bucs Eric Winston OT Miami U
24 Cincinnati Bengals Donte Whitner S Ohio State
25 NY Giants Bobby Carpenter LB Ohio State
26 Chicago Bears Ernie Sims LB Florida State
27 Carolina Panthers DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
28 Jacksonville Jaguars D’Qwell Jackson LB Maryland
29 New York Jets Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma
30 Indianapolis Colts DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
31 Seattle Seahawks Max Jean-Gilles G Georgia
32 Pittsburgh Steelers Nick Mangold OC Ohio State

Chargeroo
04-20-2006, 09:53 AM
Bolt's Draft
1. Andrew Whitworth OT 6-7 330 5:15 LSU
I've seen this guy play in 3 games and a Bowl game. I think he's the third best OT in this years draft and we must get an OT.
2. Dee Webb CB 5-11, 180 4:41 Florida
Good cover man and good in run support, he'll be a fine addition to our secondary. Webb had 8 picks this year. Great ST player too.
3. Thomas Howard LB 6-3 240 4:42 Texas-El Paso
Big and fast he sheds blocks well and has a nose for the ball.
4. Will Blackmon DB 6-0 198 4:47 Boston College
Probably would have been an earlier pick if he had stayed at DB in his Senior year. This young man has the ability to outshine the people picked in the first round given the coaching and time.
5. Joe Toledo OT 6-6, 310 Washington
Blocks well for the run, including blocking in space. A converted TE, he's athletic and only needs time to become a fine OT. Still learning pass blocking but has shown improvement already.
6. Marques Colston - WR 6-5, 225 4:50 Hofstra
This kid shined in the Shrine game. The D-backs couldn't cover him and he has very soft hands. Coming from Hofstra he has much to learn but his talent is obvious.
6. Steve Fifita - NT 6-0, 322 Utah
I liked him for a backup NG a year ago but he returned for his Senior year. He's a fireplug at only 6' tall but this kid can plug up the middle.
7. Brett Elliot 6-3, 210 5:10 Linfield College
Small school player with a ton to learn but he has an accurate arm. I've seen him in person and he tore it up. Two years on the PT and he could be a surprise.
7. Trent Bray LB 6-1, 238 4:88 Oregon State
Trent is a bit slow but has the good LB instincts that let him get to ball. He's an overachiever because he always hustles.

phillychargerfan
04-20-2006, 09:54 AM
Dated - 4/20/06

2 New Orleans Saints Mario Williams DE N. C. St.

6 San Francisco 49ers Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida St.

10 Arizona Cardinals Vernon Davis TE Maryland

11 St. Louis Rams Gabe Watson DT Michigan

18 Dallas Cowboys Manny Lawson DE/LB N.C. State

26 Chicago Bears Ernie Sims LB Florida State

27 Carolina Panthers DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama

28 Jacksonville Jaguars D’Qwell Jackson LB Maryland

29 New York Jets Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma

30 Indianapolis Colts DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis

31 Seattle Seahawks Max Jean-Gilles G Georgia

32 Pittsburgh Steelers Nick Mangold OC Ohio State

These are my WOW picks. The biggest surprise would be G.Watson and that HIGH!!!

phillychargerfan
04-20-2006, 09:58 AM
Bolt's Draft
1. Andrew Whitworth OT 6-7 330 5:15 LSU
I've seen this guy play in 3 games and a Bowl game. I think he's the third best OT in this years draft and we must get an OT.
2. Dee Webb CB 5-11, 180 4:41 Florida
Good cover man and good in run support, he'll be a fine addition to our secondary. Webb had 8 picks this year. Great ST player too.
3. Thomas Howard LB 6-3 240 4:42 Texas-El Paso
Big and fast he sheds blocks well and has a nose for the ball.
4. Will Blackmon DB 6-0 198 4:47 Boston College
Probably would have been an earlier pick if he had stayed at DB in his Senior year. This young man has the ability to outshine the people picked in the first round given the coaching and time.
5. Joe Toledo OT 6-6, 310 Washington
Blocks well for the run, including blocking in space. A converted TE, he's athletic and only needs time to become a fine OT. Still learning pass blocking but has shown improvement already.
6. Marques Colston - WR 6-5, 225 4:50 Hofstra
This kid shined in the Shrine game. The D-backs couldn't cover him and he has very soft hands. Coming from Hofstra he has much to learn but his talent is obvious.
6. Steve Fifita - NT 6-0, 322 Utah
I liked him for a backup NG a year ago but he returned for his Senior year. He's a fireplug at only 6' tall but this kid can plug up the middle.
7. Brett Elliot 6-3, 210 5:10 Linfield College
Small school player with a ton to learn but he has an accurate arm. I've seen him in person and he tore it up. Two years on the PT and he could be a surprise.
7. Trent Bray LB 6-1, 238 4:88 Oregon State
Trent is a bit slow but has the good LB instincts that let him get to ball. He's an overachiever because he always hustles.


I can't see T.Howard lasting till our pick in the 3rd. I LOVE the Toledo pick. Especially as a developmental LT. D.Webb would rather have one of the guards. Other than that, not bad!

The-Beast
04-20-2006, 10:30 AM
Bolt's Draft
1. Andrew Whitworth OT 6-7 330 5:15 LSU
I've seen this guy play in 3 games and a Bowl game. I think he's the third best OT in this years draft and we must get an OT.
2. Dee Webb CB 5-11, 180 4:41 Florida
Good cover man and good in run support, he'll be a fine addition to our secondary. Webb had 8 picks this year. Great ST player too.
3. Thomas Howard LB 6-3 240 4:42 Texas-El Paso
Big and fast he sheds blocks well and has a nose for the ball.
4. Will Blackmon DB 6-0 198 4:47 Boston College
Probably would have been an earlier pick if he had stayed at DB in his Senior year. This young man has the ability to outshine the people picked in the first round given the coaching and time.
5. Joe Toledo OT 6-6, 310 Washington
Blocks well for the run, including blocking in space. A converted TE, he's athletic and only needs time to become a fine OT. Still learning pass blocking but has shown improvement already.
6. Marques Colston - WR 6-5, 225 4:50 Hofstra
This kid shined in the Shrine game. The D-backs couldn't cover him and he has very soft hands. Coming from Hofstra he has much to learn but his talent is obvious.
6. Steve Fifita - NT 6-0, 322 Utah
I liked him for a backup NG a year ago but he returned for his Senior year. He's a fireplug at only 6' tall but this kid can plug up the middle.
7. Brett Elliot 6-3, 210 5:10 Linfield College
Small school player with a ton to learn but he has an accurate arm. I've seen him in person and he tore it up. Two years on the PT and he could be a surprise.
7. Trent Bray LB 6-1, 238 4:88 Oregon State
Trent is a bit slow but has the good LB instincts that let him get to ball. He's an overachiever because he always hustles.thomas howard is a first rounder andrew whitworth will be there at our 50th pick dee webb should be there at 81.

phillychargerfan
04-20-2006, 10:37 AM
thomas howard is a first rounder andrew whitworth will be there at our 50th pick dee webb should be there at 81.

Have to disagree about Whitworth, He's climbing up the boards. If we don't grab him at 19 he won't make it 50.

Chargeroo
04-20-2006, 11:03 AM
thomas howard is a first rounder andrew whitworth will be there at our 50th pick dee webb should be there at 81.
You could be right about Howard but I can direct you to a few sites that tab him as a third rounder.

As for Whitworth, he's the third best OT in this draft and he won't make it to the 50 th. pick and that's no longer just my opinion. Yesterday on Sirus radio, Pat Kirwin said he talked to several o-line coaches that told him Whitworth is right behind D'Brick and Justice.

In each of the first few picks I really was trying more to fill a need and just hoping I may pick the right guy. If we re-sign Fletcher (I hope) then I think he may take a Guard in the fourth instead of a CB. Lord knows they have a bunch of players to pick through.

We'll know soon! Can't wait!

SanDiegoRon
04-20-2006, 11:08 AM
Bolt's Draft
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6. Marques Colston - WR 6-5, 225 4:50 Hofstra
This kid shined in the Shrine game. The D-backs couldn't cover him and he has very soft hands. Coming from Hofstra he has much to learn but his talent is obvious.
6. Steve Fifita - NT 6-0, 322 Utah
I liked him for a backup NG a year ago but he returned for his Senior year. He's a fireplug at only 6' tall but this kid can plug up the middle.


we agree here...;)
Colston was upstoppable in that Shrine game, especially deep down the field.... looked like a man amoung boys... and Fifita's bowl game was also very impressive with multiple sacks and tackles for loss - he's got tree trunks for thighs, and they couldn't root him out of the middle... his size is probably an advantage...

leisure
04-20-2006, 11:21 AM
Witworth would be a horrible pick at #19

phillychargerfan
04-20-2006, 11:29 AM
Witworth would be a horrible pick at #19

We are going to have to address OT first day. The problem with waiting for our 2nd pick is, there are a TON of teams between 19 and 50 that need oline help. I suggest trade down with the Jets for their 2nd rounder. Then at 29 grab Whitworth. But IF we can't trade down, take him. AJ (up to this point) has always grabbed who he wanted regardless of where the experts thought they should go. Look at Hardwick, V.Jackson, L.Castillo, Kneading, Scfries, etc,etc.

Charger Dave
04-20-2006, 12:20 PM
Witworth would be a horrible pick at #19Whitworth could be the answer to our "biggest" <pun intended> need going into the 2006 draft IMO - if we could trade down a bit and still get him it would be all the better - but he sure as heck isn't going to be on the board at our current 2nd round position. I say get him any way we can - and if we must "reach" a bit because we couldn't slide down - then so be it.

The other pick on Roo's list I would *LOVE* to see brought in for pro development and depth is Joe Toledo. That big son of a gun has a glowing future once he finishes filling out that big body. (Can you spell "tackle eligible"? <grin>)....

Chargeroo
04-20-2006, 12:57 PM
Witworth would be a horrible pick at #19

I think he's a reach at #19 too, but I think the first two will be gone and we must get an OT. If we wait until pick #50 I think a lot more OT's will be off the board before we get to that pick. We may be looking at the chance of going into the season with the same three OT's we had last year - not good. If we grab Whitworth, Olivea can move to Guard and we've upgraded two spots with one pick.

I've wavered between using the first pick on an OT or a CB for the last few weeks but looking at the people available for both of those positions I decided we're more likely to find a CB that can play the Nickel or Dime position than we are to find a useful OT at that 50th spot.

Who would you like to see them get at #19, liesure?

The-Beast
04-20-2006, 01:11 PM
we shall see come draft day but everyone i talk to has him as the 6 ot in the draft ferguson justice winston mcneil college then whitworth

Chargeroo
04-20-2006, 01:22 PM
we shall see come draft day but everyone i talk to has him as the 6 ot in the draft ferguson justice winston mcneil college then whitworth
You haven't talked to Shamrock, Iron Mountain 1960, ftwbolt, RMancil, or me then - we all like him. I can promise you this, if I'm wrong it won't be the first time! In fact, it won't be the first time I was wrong about a OT. :) I'm going off what I saw, not what the draft sites say. They could be right - the final say is the GM's - if they pass on Whitworth and take Winston and McNeil before him I'll have to agree that I'm wrong because I'm pretty sure they know a lot more about these kids than I do.

RMANCIL
04-21-2006, 03:47 AM
The tail of the tape will be really known in about two to three years when the players performance will let everyone know where they should have been drafted.

Till then I have to base players not only on what I read but on what I see. Whitworth is one of the top 3 or 4 OT candidates I have seen in this draft.

What is so hard for me to understand is how so many people ignore Obens injury issue and how that effects the offense.

IgorUnchained
04-21-2006, 04:42 AM
I am far from an expert on this, but this is how I saw the talent from the combine and since.

D'Brick
Justice
McNeil (if healthy...off the list if not)
Winston
Scott
Whitworth
Colledge
Butler
O Callahan
Mcquiston
Toledo

I thought it was a top ten, but I snuck in 11. That is pretty unofficial, but that is what I saw and what I gather. I think that considering what the Bolts NEED and how reality works, there is a good chance that Whitworth could be closer to the 4th best on that list....but time will tell.

phillychargerfan
04-21-2006, 06:04 AM
I am far from an expert on this, but this is how I saw the talent from the combine and since.

D'Brick
Justice
McNeil (if healthy...off the list if not)
Winston
Scott
Whitworth
Colledge
Butler
O Callahan
Mcquiston
Toledo

I thought it was a top ten, but I snuck in 11. That is pretty unofficial, but that is what I saw and what I gather. I think that considering what the Bolts NEED and how reality works, there is a good chance that Whitworth could be closer to the 4th best on that list....but time will tell.

I agree on D'Brick and Justice. I don't like McNeil a little bit. For a man his size he doesn't dominate like he should. I don't even care about his back. I liked E.Winston before his injury. But I still wouldn't take him UNLESS we move to a zone blocking scheme. I like Scott but his lack of strength disturbs me a little. Whitworth is NASTY! He has too much pride and determation to let ANYONE beat him on a regular basis. I like Colledge, BUT only if moveing to a zone blocking scheme. Not crazy about Butler, O'Callahan too many injury concerns for me. McQuistan and Toledo long term developmental projects.

leisure
04-21-2006, 06:47 AM
What is so hard for me to understand is how so many people ignore Obens injury issue and how that effects the offense.

WHAT? I have been saying that for months.

RMANCIL
04-21-2006, 06:57 AM
I am far from an expert on this, but this is how I saw the talent from the combine and since.

D'Brick
Justice
McNeil (if healthy...off the list if not)
Winston
Scott
Whitworth
Colledge
Butler
O Callahan
Mcquiston
Toledo

I thought it was a top ten, but I snuck in 11. That is pretty unofficial, but that is what I saw and what I gather. I think that considering what the Bolts NEED and how reality works, there is a good chance that Whitworth could be closer to the 4th best on that list....but time will tell.

McNeil has a spine condition that is a birth defect , it limited his practice time in college last I checked birth defects tend to be long term problems.

Scott simple isn't the player that Whitworth is , he isn't nearly as dominating in the run game. You should look back a couple of pages on this thread at the work out numbers you will find a huge difference in the power explosion test results between the two players.

Winston would be much better in a zone blocking scheme , Colledge as well .
Unless we change blocking schemes their size run blocking skills are not a good fit.

One other player who is over looked is OL Joesph he is listed as a OG but he can also play OT and has a longer reach than Colledge and he is a much better run blocker than Winston.

His versatility is very intriguing he can play ever position on the OL including OC. He lacks the typical height of a OT however he has very long arms thus he has the wingspan that is so important.