June Cuts

[hoopdreams]

I know that there are going to be a lot more free agents available when June rolls around. Among them will be QB Joey Harrington. I was wondering if anyone knows who else will be available. I know we still need to add another CB to the roster and AJ may want one more O lineman.

Any ideas?

[JCDavey]

I know that there are going to be a lot more free agents available when June rolls around. Among them will be QB Joey Harrington. I was wondering if anyone knows who else will be available. I know we still need to add another CB to the roster and AJ may want one more O lineman.

Any ideas?i want to say ronde barber but i think tampa bay would be insane to cut him and now that they didn't get woodson i doubt they will

[Ikeman83]

Who knows? The trouble with "predicting" June 1st Cuts is that the only players that it is reasonable to predict they will be cut are players that have been overpaid or are seeing serious declines in their production.

Since we don't want these guys, it kind of makes that area moot. Predicting these things is kind of moot. We basically have to wait till June 1st.

[hoopdreams]

I guess it's just the next football date to wait for. It would be great to pick up a guard or right tackle. That way we would solve the problem of having Dielman starting at LG.

(Olivea could play guard if we picked up a talented RT.)

[TCUFAN5]

all this waiting.. can we get this season going please.. shhheesh

[LTfan4life]

Steve McNair and his 23+ million dollar salary cap number :eek:

That is, if he isn't traded to the Ravens.

I'm wondering about us and our 5 WRs. All of them can be solid #3 options. But how are we going to spread the ball around? And maybe a Safety?

Safeties:
Jue
Hart
Milligan
Kiel
McCree

Receivers:
McCardell
Jackson
Parker
Osgood
Woods

[HeadTrip]

I'm praying we get a good guard to take over Dielman's spot. I don't know of any that will be available, but if we don't get one and Dielman doesn't show drastic improvement we are again going to have a very mediocre power running game.

[sd619Nick]

I'm praying we get a good guard to take over Dielman's spot. I don't know of any that will be available, but if we don't get one and Dielman doesn't show drastic improvement we are again going to have a very mediocre power running game.

Not if Turner is running the with the pig skin!

[Ikeman83]

Not if Turner is running the with the pig skin!

Power running is based on the line, not the RB. The principle is that the line gets the first 1-2 yds and the RB falls forward for the next 2-3. This gets you 3-5 yds, and is why it's called power running.

Turner might be able to run through some defenders, but if the line doesn't move the LOS forward 2 yds, then you're looking at a power running game that gets you 2-3 yds per carry, rather than 3-5, which isn't enough to sustain a drive.

While I certainly appreciate Turner's ability to blow through DBs, believing that he'll blow through DTs is a bit of a stretch.

[nineandseven]

I wonder if they'll cut Donnie Edwards

[Ikeman83]

I wonder if they'll cut Donnie Edwards

I can't see him being cut. Smitty will find a trading partner, as Edwards is still worth at least a 5th rounder.

[rammerjammer]

I can't see him being cut. Smitty will find a trading partner, as Edwards is still worth at least a 5th rounder.

Yeah, he is still under contract, and if we cannot get a reasonable deal worked out for a trade, then he'll play. He is still too valuable to cut, regardless of his wanting more money.

[theiceweasel]

I wonder if they'll cut Donnie Edwards I don't believe he'll be cut. He's not a significant hit to our cap and besides we're not hurting for cap space anyway. The key date for Edwards is Oct 15th which is Week 6. If he's going to be traded it'll have to happen before then.

[Dojo]

isn't G Vincent Manuwae (?) unhappy? I could have swore they put him on the block. If he's available he could be an option. I have confidence in the team this year. I just think that, with the hardest part of our schedule being in the second half, we might need to look into another G or at least Dielman needs to put on 10-20 lbs because he wore down at the end of the season last year.

[hoopdreams]

I don't see us letting any receivers go because some of them are great special teams players while others are going to start making an impact in the offense.

Edwards might be traded but only if we get a very solid middle linebacker to replace him. I don't really se anyone giving up much for an aging, undersized ILB even one with Edwards' talent.

The only thing I do see us getting is a guard and possibly another CB. AJ Smith has called Dielman a backup player and that's what he is. He is a good backup. Does anyone think that Oben might play some guard now that we have McNeil? I think it's possible.

As of now we only have 3 CBs and we still need to find a capable guy for dime and quarter packages. It will be interesting to see what transpires. But, something will definitely happen because we have 5 safeties and 3 CBs.

[Ikeman83]

I don't see us letting any receivers go because some of them are great special teams players while others are going to start making an impact in the offense.

Edwards might be traded but only if we get a very solid middle linebacker to replace him. I don't really se anyone giving up much for an aging, undersized ILB even one with Edwards' talent.

The only thing I do see us getting is a guard and possibly another CB. AJ Smith has called Dielman a backup player and that's what he is. He is a good backup. Does anyone think that Oben might play some guard now that we have McNeil? I think it's possible.

As of now we only have 3 CBs and we still need to find a capable guy for dime and quarter packages. It will be interesting to see what transpires. But, something will definitely happen because we have 5 safeties and 3 CBs.

The Chargers have 5 CBs.

22 Walls, Raymond (http://www.chargers.com/team/roster/raymond-walls.htm) CB 5-11 189 Southern Miss 6 07/24/79
23 Jammer, Quentin (http://www.chargers.com/team/roster/quentin-jammer.htm) CB 6-02 04 Texas 5 06/19/79
25 Cromartie, Antonio (http://www.chargers.com/team/roster/antonio-cromartie.htm)CB 6-3 209 Florida State 0 04/15/84
29 Florence, Drayton (http://www.chargers.com/team/roster/drayton-florence.htm) CB 6-0 195 Tuskegee 4 12/19/80
36 Curry, Markus (http://www.chargers.com/team/roster/markus-curry.htm) CB 5-11 181 Michigan 1 04/07/81

Also, we don't need an ILB. In addition to the 2 older guys, we have 2 younger veterans and a draftee. No ILB that should be starting for us could be traded straight up for Donnie, if anything, Donnie should be used to get a 4th or 5th round pick that can be traded later.

[hoopdreams]

As for the CBs they haven't made the official roster yet.

If Donnie is traded he could be packaged with another player and/or draft pick to aquire the ILB we want.

[JCDavey]

As for the CBs they haven't made the official roster yet.

If Donnie is traded he could be packaged with another player and/or draft pick to aquire the ILB we want.i think we have the ILB we want

matt wilhelm

[The619]

I dont see any talk of where Oben fits in to the plan if he is healthy and ready to go. Everyone has McNiel pegged at LT. If healthy I would move Oben over to RT and move Olivia inside.

[JCDavey]

I dont see any talk of where Oben fits in to the plan if he is healthy and ready to go. Everyone has McNiel pegged at LT. If healthy I would move Oben over to RT and move Olivia inside. more like oben at LT, dielman or olivea at LG, hardwick at C, Goff or olivea at RG, Mcneil or olivea at RT i think (if oben is healthy)

[chargerfan1978]

bye Ryan Krause.

[Sogvet17]

Who knows? The trouble with "predicting" June 1st Cuts is that the only players that it is reasonable to predict they will be cut are players that have been overpaid or are seeing serious declines in their production.

Since we don't want these guys, it kind of makes that area moot. Predicting these things is kind of moot. We basically have to wait till June 1st.

What about "renting" a couple of "needs" players for one or two years, until the players we drafted this year and next are fully ready to be starters. I do not believe that we would have to "hock" the jewelry to do this....any feedback....

[hoopdreams]

What about "renting" a couple of "needs" players for one or two years, until the players we drafted this year and next are fully ready to be starters. I do not believe that we would have to "hock" the jewelry to do this....any feedback....

I'd agree, but I don't think there are any players out there that fit our needs. If there was a great MLB we could sign him or a better free safety. As it stands, I don't think that there are any players worth signing.

We'll just have to see who is released on June 1st. I haven't heard of any great players looking for a new home, but you never know.

[sonorajim]

I don't see us doing anything on June 1st. We have lots of bodies at every position. We have no glaring needs that would justify a reach. I would understand cherry picking if the right guy is there. QB, RB, TE are out. WR, LB, DE/DT and S are real unlikely. C, RT, OG, NT and CB are slim maybes.

[bolts4ever21]

Sometimes you might see a nice cherry falling because of a cap hit. But then again, you are right, we do have a lot of bodies at every position. That doesn't mean you don't look though.

[hoopdreams]

I don't see us doing anything on June 1st. We have lots of bodies at every position. We have no glaring needs that would justify a reach. I would understand cherry picking if the right guy is there. QB, RB, TE are out. WR, LB, DE/DT and S are real unlikely. C, RT, OG, NT and CB are slim maybes.

I think that it would be fairly easy to pick up a LG. I would be suprised if we didn't because AJ has called Dielman a backup player.

[SuperBowlBolts]

I think that it would be fairly easy to pick up a LG. I would be suprised if we didn't because AJ has called Dielman a backup player.
what? i dont remember him calling dielman a backup player. i tought that was said about jordan

[hoopdreams]

what? i dont remember him calling dielman a backup player. i tought that was said about jordan

It was in an interview about the Chargers draft needs. He was very vague, but one of the things he did say was that he was looking for a LG to replace Dielman after the loss of Hallen. He said that Dielman did an admirable job, but he considered him a backup player.

I can't find the article at the moment.

[SuperBowlBolts]

It was in an interview about the Chargers draft needs. He was very vague, but one of the things he did say was that he was looking for a LG to replace Dielman after the loss of Hallen. He said that Dielman did an admirable job, but he considered him a backup player.

I can't find the article at the moment.
what really? i couldve sworn he was talking about jordan

[hoopdreams]

what really? i couldve sworn he was talking about jordan
Everyone already knows that Jordan was inadequate, but he was talking about Dielman. I hope he get's us a better guard. Dielman could do alright but I'd rather have a huge guard like Fonoti without the weight problem.

[bolts4ever21]

I do think that if Oben is able to play, McNeill will play RT. With that said, guess who will be playing LG. I know some people don't want to move Shane there, but if we have a RT to take his place, why not move him inside.

Anything to bring the oline play up would be a great benefit to this or any football team.

[JCDavey]

I do think that if Oben is able to play, McNeill will play RT. With that said, guess who will be playing LG. I know some people don't want to move Shane there, but if we have a RT to take his place, why not move him inside.

Anything to bring the oline play up would be a great benefit to this or any football team.agree.....

[hoopdreams]

I do think that if Oben is able to play, McNeill will play RT. With that said, guess who will be playing LG. I know some people don't want to move Shane there, but if we have a RT to take his place, why not move him inside.

Anything to bring the oline play up would be a great benefit to this or any football team.

Schottenheimer said on his interview about McNeil on draft day that he doesn't see any reason why McNeil wouldn't play OLT. Oben is almost done. Why not just give McNeil the chance? If he can't cut it right away then Oben could start. Otherwise, get the rookie the experience.

[bolts4ever21]

Oh, I agree with that. McNeill is going to play regardless. I just thought that with Oben being the veteran, that he would stay at LT. If Oben and McNeill are both heathy, I don't see either one of them sitting.

[Totally Bolted]

Oh, I agree with that. McNeill is going to play regardless. I just thought that with Oben being the veteran, that he would stay at LT. If Oben and McNeill are both heathy, I don't see either one of them sitting.

I would hope not. If that's the case Oben moves inside IMO. He has more experience and would be able to adapt better. Then again maybe McNiell can plow the road.

[hoopdreams]

The Chargers are all about building through the draft. They will start McNeil at the postition he will be playing for years to come. If anyone moves it will be the injury prone, aging Oben.

Furthermore, I don't know why everyone is acting like McNeil is and injury risk. If his back was really painful then he would have missed games in college. As it stands, he never missed a game and hasn't given up a sack in his last 43 games. The guy is a stud. He is a first round talent that we got in the second round because of a back problem that hasn't made him miss any games. He will be a great OLT for us.

[6thSun]

Do you guys think the ravens will cut R. Lewis?
if so ,him and 56 would be amazing!

[LABoltsFan]

I expect AJ to add a few more FA's to the mix as he tries to add competition to the weaker areas.

i can see a new cornerback and potentially an experienced O-linemen. This addition will add another "eager" and capable player to compete for the starting job.

depending on the player, he may be adding to the special teams or one of the "Player in development" tiers (Practice squad or NFL Europe).

[Draako]

Something I'm hearing alot on Sirius NFL radio and on the NFL cable channel is that the June 1st cuts are going to be light due to the new CBA and the raise in the Cap room. The analysts are all saying take a look at the avalible talent pool for free agency and that's about all that will be available on 1 June.

[JCDavey]

Something I'm hearing alot on Sirius NFL radio and on the NFL cable channel is that the June 1st cuts are going to be light due to the new CBA and the raise in the Cap room. The analysts are all saying take a look at the avalible talent pool for free agency and that's about all that will be available on 1 June.aren't the june cuts also pushed back to june 15th? or was that change not actually made, and just talked about?

[hoopdreams]

aren't the june cuts also pushed back to june 15th? or was that change not actually made, and just talked about?

I've heard that too. I think that they are still on for the first, but I could be wrong. They may have been pushed back because of the original delays of free agency earlier this year.

[Al "T.D." Bundy]

Something I'm hearing alot on Sirius NFL radio and on the NFL cable channel is that the June 1st cuts are going to be light due to the new CBA and the raise in the Cap room. The analysts are all saying take a look at the avalible talent pool for free agency and that's about all that will be available on 1 June.

I've heard that and read it also. Here's an article from "PK" on the subject:

Let's swap players

With teams averaging close to $8 million in salary-cap space after the Collective Bargaining Extension, there likely won't be a decent influx of talent from June 1 cuts. So now it looks like more teams are interested in swapping players on their rosters.
http://images.nfl.com/photos/img9441121.jpg Others will likely follow Trent Dilfer in player-for-player swaps. Already, the Saints were prepared to move linebacker Courtney Watson (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493108) to the Dolphins for linebacker Eddie Moore (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396040), except Moore couldn't pass the physical. And the Browns sent quarterback Trent Dilfer (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1065) to the 49ers for backup QB Ken Dorsey (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395950) and a late pick.
This next few months could see an increase in the number of swaps around the league. As one personnel man said, "If we know a guy doesn't have a very good chance of making our team this year, we might as well entertain a straight-up trade with another team. Maybe both players make it or maybe both get cut."
Dead money is drying up

For years, teams used the June 1 date to release players because they didn't have the cap space to release them earlier in the year. As NFL teams move forward in the next few years, there will be fewer and fewer June 1 cuts because teams have the space to let them go earlier in the year and most salary-cap managers I know are committed to not going back to the "credit card" mentality used before.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9441095

[Al "T.D." Bundy]

Speaking of McNiel and Oben being ready to play, latest indications are he isn't:

"How about left tackle Marcus McNeill (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/416619) out of Clemson? The second-round pick's development could be more critical than Cromartie's.
The Chargers' fingers are crossed that McNeill can learn for at least a year behind savvy veteran Roman Oben (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/4035). But the reality is Oben isn't close to getting on the field, and some are holding their breath in the organization about whether he'll be over his two foot surgeries by training camp.
So McNeill will see plenty of work in the opening workouts. The Chargers must find out if he can handle the load of protecting first-year starting quarterback Philip Rivers (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/493041)' blind side.
If the job is too big for McNeill and Oben is still ailing, the Chargers could be forced to go with journeyman Leander Jordan (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/187576). That prospect scared the team so much it wasted little time in drafting McNeill."

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/SD/9435984

[laschwa]

Speaking of McNiel and Oben being ready to play, latest indications are he isn't:

"How about left tackle Marcus McNeill (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/416619) out of Clemson? The second-round pick's development could be more critical than Cromartie's.
The Chargers' fingers are crossed that McNeill can learn for at least a year behind savvy veteran Roman Oben (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/4035). But the reality is Oben isn't close to getting on the field, and some are holding their breath in the organization about whether he'll be over his two foot surgeries by training camp.
So McNeill will see plenty of work in the opening workouts. The Chargers must find out if he can handle the load of protecting first-year starting quarterback Philip Rivers (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/493041)' blind side.
If the job is too big for McNeill and Oben is still ailing, the Chargers could be forced to go with journeyman Leander Jordan (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/187576). That prospect scared the team so much it wasted little time in drafting McNeill."

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/SD/9435984

oh god.
can the chargers buy one of those hyperbolic chambers for oben? you know, the kind romanowski had in his house?

[AZChargerfan01]

Do you guys think the ravens will cut R. Lewis?
if so ,him and 56 would be amazing!

I dont think he will and would not want him if he did, i think he is the most overated player in the history of the NFL.

[TBOLTZCALI]

R. Lewis overrated? I bet if he was a charger you wouldnt say that.

[viceguy2]

If Oben is healthy, he starts at LT.

[esacal]

If Oben is healthy, he starts at LT.

i agree, althought i think "Big-Mac" has the skills to start

[hoopdreams]

If Oben is healthy, he starts at LT.

I doubt that considering that Shottenheimer said that he didn't see any reason why McNeil wouldn't start at OLT from day one. The only reason Oben would start at OLT would be if McNeil is not capable of playing.

[Sirbob]

What posistion does Miligan play? ST/safety or CB?
The pro bowl ST nod was for Osgood. we tried to market him (milligan) with no bites... we might cut him. and use Tim Dobbins in his place.
Also a big cut might be one of the saftey's jue, hart, milligan, or Kiel in favor of new secondary starter McCree. although we lost 2 CB's... we got Cro.
Cro/Fro/Jammer who is our 4th guy?

[JoeMcRugby]

What posistion does Miligan play? ST/safety or CB?
The pro bowl ST nod was for Osgood. we tried to market him (milligan) with no bites... we might cut him. and use Tim Dobbins in his place.
Also a big cut might be one of the saftey's jue, hart, milligan, or Kiel in favor of new secondary starter McCree. although we lost 2 CB's... we got Cro.
Cro/Fro/Jammer who is our 4th guy?

Jue's not going anywhere. Neither are Hart or Kiel.

Barring injury, the four safeties for 2006 are Jue, Hart, McCree and Kiel. Milligan is a special teamer who doesn't step onto the field in defensive packages. With him being an unrestricted free agent at the end of 2006, he's the one who will be gone should they cut a "safety".

BTW The special teams nod wasn't for Osgood, SirBob. Players and coaches voted on the Pro Bowl after Osgood was on the IR. Therefore, they chose "Milligan" when they voted, not "Chargers special teams player".

I do agree that Osgood would have likely been selected to the Pro Bowl as a special teamer had he not been injured, though.

[Sirbob]

Jue's not going anywhere. Neither are Hart or Kiel.

Barring injury, the four safeties for 2006 are Jue, Hart, McCree and Kiel. Milligan is a special teamer who doesn't step onto the field in defensive packages. With him being an unrestricted free agent at the end of 2006, he's the one who will be gone should they cut a "safety".

BTW The special teams nod wasn't for Osgood, SirBob. Players and coaches voted on the Pro Bowl after Osgood was on the IR. Therefore, they chose "Milligan" when they voted, not "Chargers special teams player".

I do agree that Osgood would have likely been selected to the Pro Bowl as a special teamer had he not been injured, though.
Ok, I aree with the Milligan cut.. and no UFA making it at Saftey.
But as for the Probowl.. If I buy into what you said... and do the math... we have 2 probowl gunners?
Sorry but, I got to stick with my token nod Idea.

[JoeMcRugby]

Ok, I aree with the Milligan cut.. and no UFA making it at Saftey.
But as for the Probowl.. If I buy into what you said... and do the math... we have 2 probowl gunners?
Sorry but, I got to stick with my token nod Idea.
I don't get why players and coaches put an "X" by the name Hanick Milligan if they weren't voting for him. Is it because the players and coaches in the NFL don't know any other special teams player in the league except Osgood?

Maybe it makes sense to you, but to me ... :confused:

[mdsd77]

At the following link is some news on WHO may be on the June 1 or 15th cut block, some interesting stuff there (SCROLL DOWN TO SEE)

David Patten ANYONE ???

check it out....MDSD77


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-meetings052306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[JoeMcRugby]

After reading Marty's comments yesterday, the Chargers are already very content with their WR corps going into the 2006 season.

McCardell, Parker, VJ, Woods, Osgood and Floyd (injury protection - likely to be cut and picked up by another team unless something unexpected happens) are the reason why WR is not an issue for 2006.

[IgorUnchained]

After reading Marty's comments yesterday, the Chargers are already very content with their WR corps going into the 2006 season.

McCardell, Parker, VJ, Woods, Osgood and Floyd (injury protection - likely to be cut and picked up by another team unless something unexpected happens) are the reason why WR is not an issue for 2006.


I would normally go after Patriots left overs any day. Patten has shown that he is a good role player and can come through in the clutch.

That said, I dont think that Patten is an upgrade over anyone as a whole and the WR corps is pretty stacked. Patten has experience, but so does Kmac....Patten is clutch, but so is Parker....etc.

Looks like Randle El won the #2 job pretty quickly in DC!....and over a guy with more Super Bowl rings than he has! :Beer:

[JoeMcRugby]

I would normally go after Patriots left overs any day. Patten has shown that he is a good role player and can come through in the clutch.

That said, I dont think that Patten is an upgrade over anyone as a whole and the WR corps is pretty stacked. Patten has experience, but so does Kmac....Patten is clutch, but so is Parker....etc.

Looks like Randle El won the #2 job pretty quickly in DC!....and over a guy with more Super Bowl rings than he has! :Beer:

The only problem is that he isn't a Patriots leftover. The Pats cut him loose before the 2005 season.

Patten's 2005 performance for the Redskins opposite Santana Moss proved the Pats correct in letting him go as he totalled 22 catches for 219 yards and zero TDs.

Which WR would you cut to bring in the 32 year old Patten?

McCardell, Parker, VJ, Woods or Osgood? After all, the Chargers are already in line to cut the young and talented Floyd, so one more will have to go for a guy that the Redskins have no use for. :Bolt:

As for Randle El "taking over the number 2 position pretty quick", you missed their other WR addition this offseason.

In addition to Randle El, the Skins also brought in Brandon Lloyd who is penciled in to be the number 2 WR.

[Av9114]

If Oben is healthy, he starts at LT.

I actually think the job is McNeills untill he proves that he cant handle it. Oben wasnt nearly as good as many people seem to think last year. He has some good competition in practice, and a good coach who knows for to develop young linemen. He still has a long way to go, but so does Oben.

[IgorUnchained]

The only problem is that he isn't a Patriots leftover. The Pats cut him loose before the 2005 season.

Patten's 2005 performance for the Redskins opposite Santana Moss proved the Pats correct in letting him go as he totalled 22 catches for 219 yards and zero TDs.

Which WR would you cut to bring in the 32 year old Patten?

McCardell, Parker, VJ, Woods or Osgood? After all, the Chargers are already in line to cut the young and talented Floyd, so one more will have to go for a guy that the Redskins have no use for. :Bolt:

As for Randle El "taking over the number 2 position pretty quick", you missed their other WR addition this offseason.

In addition to Randle El, the Skins also brought in Brandon Lloyd who is penciled in to be the number 2 WR.

I would have cut Patten anyway...a quality role player is great, but a multipositional role player/playmaker is much better IMO. I didnt miss the Lloyd signing, I just didnt ever entertain the possibility that Lloyd would beat Randle El out for the #3 spot. I admit, I consider it more of a possibility now that you mention it....but will believe it when I see it.

I think that even if they play Randle El in the slot, he will still be the #2 WR as far as completions and stats go, even if he isnt technically the #2 on the depth chart.