Ty Law agrees to being a Chief?

[WonderSlug]

Chiefs | Team close to deal with Law
Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:17:12 -0700

Nick Cafardo, of the Boston Globe, reports the Kansas City Chiefs are close to a deal with free agent CB Ty Law (Jets). The five-year deal is believed to be worth more than $30 million. According to an NFL source, the New England Patriots will have one final chance to match or exceed the Chiefs' offer. The Patriots extended an offer to Law, but at a level below what the Chiefs offered.

[BeWaReDaBoLt]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5809914

[DKatz7]

How old is Ty Law?

[LTfan4life]

How old is Ty Law?

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[HeadTrip]

The Chefs must think they are making a run this year, because that team is going straight to the retirement home after this season.

[Dan40]

http://www.avforums.com/dvdreviews/images/TalesFromThe%20Crypt/TalesFromTheCryptR1_1.jpg
He can turn his head 360 degrees right?

Ty Law will have to in order to keep his eyes on VJ running right past him into the post.

:D

[RMANCIL]

Ty Law reunites with Edwards in Kansas City

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2527839

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Pro Bowl cornerback Ty Law agreed to a five-year deal with the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday.

Law spent last season with the New York Jets, leading the NFL with 10 interceptions. He will rejoin coach Herman Edwards in Kansas City. Edwards left the Jets for the Chiefs in January, and has vowed to rebuild a defense that has been near the bottom of the league for five years.

Law is expected to be in Kansas City on Monday for a physical, team spokesman Bob Moore told The Associated Press.


Our division just got more diffucult.

[LTfan4life]

Law could post a very good season, as he will be somewhat familiar with the system. But, he could break a leg and not be a worry to anyone but the Chiefs :)

I'll wait til I see him play a game or two to judge how he will affect the division.

That Chief defense is old. Law, Surtain, Knight. 3/4 of their secondary is soon to be retired.

[foty89]

Maybe, but not for very long, he is OLD. And one good player is not going to remake their entire secondary. He will certainly help them, but we can still beat them.

Go Bolts!
:Bolt: :Bolt: :Bolt:

[gobolts_charger]

I'm not too sorry to hear Ty Law went to KC...that just means that LT gets another shot at burning him again:D If LT catched a flat again from Rivers, Law will side step away as to not get embarassed again!!:Bolt:
In all seriousness, I think Law will do well for KC.
Go Bolts!!:Helmet:

[LTfan4life]

I bet Ty will love going one on one with LT sometime this year :)


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[WonderSlug]

Law won't see more than the first two years of that Chiefs contract.

[JCDavey]

i wanted law at the right price but i'm not too worried about him , we've beat him before.

[WonderSlug]

Ty Law scares me not.

Ty Law was barely a blip against us in our game versus the Jets last season. He only had 3 solo tackles in that game. And that was with a Jets pass defense that was much stronger than what the Chiefs have to bring.

[HeadTrip]

This is bad news for this year I think. This should make the Cheifs a better team, THIS YEAR. However in the long run this 5 year deal to a very old player should bite them in the ass. After this year the Cheifs will be starting a long run of steady mediocrity IMO. I think they will end up much like the Raiders minus the SB appearance.

[JoeMcRugby]

Hopefully, Law will lead NFL CBs in penalty yardage and pile up INTs in meaningless late season games like the 2005 season.

Here's to Law playing very mediocre football in September, October and November at superstar wages like he did in leading the Jets to a 2-10 start last year! :Bolt:

[thesanityannex]

Didn't see it posted here, if so, just delete.





Chiefs reach agreement with Ty Law

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs have agreed to terms of a five-year contract with veteran cornerback Ty Law, concluding months of negotiations and giving the Chiefs another piece as they rebuild their defense.

Law was to arrive in Kansas City on Monday, take a physical examination and, if all goes well, sign his new contract. He would then be able to participate when the Chiefs begin training camp Friday at the University of Wisconsin-River Falls.

Other contract terms were immediately unavailable.

“It got to a number where we were comfortable and they were comfortable,” Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson said. “Hopefully, he will be well worth the effort.”


http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansa...ts/15106482.htm (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/15106482.htm)

[Dan40]

Didn't see it posted here, if so, just delete.

Nah, just merged it. ;)

I think it can be in GD because we can talk about matchups with Law and our WRs - but I guess it could have gone in Around the NFL.

I always click on "See New Posts" - that's the best way to see if a breaking news story has already been posted before you.

Carry on, gentlemen.

[MadForPlaid]

Didn't see it posted here, if so, just delete.

Chiefs reach agreement with Ty Law

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs have agreed to terms of a five-year contract with veteran cornerback Ty Law, concluding months of negotiations and giving the Chiefs another piece as they rebuild their defense.

Law was to arrive in Kansas City on Monday, take a physical examination and, if all goes well, sign his new contract. He would then be able to participate when the Chiefs begin training camp Friday at the University of Wisconsin-River Falls.

Other contract terms were immediately unavailable.

“It got to a number where we were comfortable and they were comfortable,” Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson said. “Hopefully, he will be well worth the effort.”


http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansa...ts/15106482.htm (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/15106482.htm)

No big deal; it would have been nice to pick up an experienced veteran in the secondary, but it wasn't worth it at that price!!

[WonderSlug]

No big deal; it would have been nice to pick up an experienced veteran in the secondary, but it wasn't worth it at that price!!

Marlon McCree isn't an experienced veteran?

[SDRYANLEAF16]

The Chefs must think they are making a run this year, because that team is going straight to the retirement home after this season.


hey its better to go straight to retirement than Anaheim, San Antonio , or las vegas... Like our chargers will do.

[HeadTrip]

hey its better to go straight to retirement than Anaheim, San Antonio , or las vegas... Like our chargers will do.

Better for who? I don't give a crap where they go. If SD is too stupid to hang on to the Bolts then see ya!

[bigbolthead21]

hey its better to go straight to retirement than Anaheim, San Antonio , or las vegas... Like our chargers will do.
wait so u think the chargers r going to move????
btw, anyone know when rookies have to report to camp?

[JoeMcRugby]

wait so u think the chargers r going to move????
btw, anyone know when rookies have to report to camp?

Rookies report for practice on Tuesday. The first full workout with all players is Saturday.

Saturday is the important reporting date. Look for the 5th, 6th and 7th round picks to get signed sometime tomorrow.

As for the top 3, look for them to get done by Saturday morning. :Bolt:

[TJ21]

http://www.avforums.com/dvdreviews/images/TalesFromThe%20Crypt/TalesFromTheCryptR1_1.jpg

No fair. That's the pic I use when insulting Al Davis.

As for Ty Law... eh, he'll have a few picks. Hopefully none of us, but he'll have another solid season. He's just a quick fix at best though. :-/

[bigbolthead21]

Rookies report for practice on Tuesday. The first full workout with all players is Saturday.

Saturday is the important reporting date. Look for the 5th, 6th and 7th round picks to get signed sometime tomorrow.

As for the top 3, look for them to get done by Saturday morning. :Bolt:
alright, thanks joe

[WonderSlug]

No fair. That's the pic I use when insulting Al Davis.

As for Ty Law... eh, he'll have a few picks. Hopefully none of us, but he'll have another solid season. He's just a quick fix at best though. :-/

Ty Law will have 5 INTs this season, 4 of them against Al's Kids. :D

[TJ21]

Ty Law will have 5 INTs this season, 4 of them against Al's Kids. :D

Yeah. My guess would be 5 or 6 too. Enough to milk another contract for next year. :D

[YetAnotherSDFan]

I sure hope we as a team beat him in INT's this year...
last year we were tied with 10 each

[baphamet]

i think it is a good pickup for KC, i clearly think if they are going to make a run at the super bowl it has to be this year.

not that it worries me, i am more worried about how our new QB is going to turn out to even think about what anyone els does. :p

[Chargers!!!]

i hope the patriots grab him... if they dont, he will help the cheifs in a big way

[JoeMcRugby]

A five-year deal for more than $30 million for a 32 year old CB?

:crazy:

Free agent cornerback Ty Law is closing in on a five-year deal worth more than $30 million with the Kansas City Chiefs according to an NFL source. The Chiefs have been pursuing Law for the last few months.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/07/23/law_close_to_deal_with_chiefs/
The CB desperate Patriots (who had the cap room) apparently weren't willing to match it. That's why they're in the Super Bowl hunt every year - not throwing foolish cap money down the drain.

[JCDavey]

how much you think he makes this year? 10 mill of that 30 or 8?

[broncosgc]

law signing with the chiefs?

i certainly didn't want to see law going to KC....people are downplaying it on the orangemane just like most people on this forum....

all i'm saying is the chiefs are clearly better with him than without him.....

and that alone is reason enough for me to hate this signing....

[LTfan4life]

law signing with the chiefs?

i certainly didn't want to see law going to KC....people are downplaying it on the orangemane just like most people on this forum....

all i'm saying is the chiefs are clearly better with him than without him.....

and that alone is reason enough for me to hate this signing....
Not if he gets injured by an LT super juke :)

[SP17BOLT]

law signing with the chiefs?

i certainly didn't want to see law going to KC....people are downplaying it on the orangemane just like most people on this forum....

all i'm saying is the chiefs are clearly better with him than without him.....

and that alone is reason enough for me to hate this signing....

I'm going to agree with you on this post, cheifs suck.

[LTfan4life]

I'm going to agree with you on this post, cheifs suck.

Make that two. :)

[broncosgc]

Not if he gets injured by an LT super juke :)




lol.....that's true.....the pic of LT breaking his ankles is quite nice...

i think i'll post it on the chiefsplanet message board.....;)

[SP17BOLT]

lol.....that's true.....the pic of LT breaking his ankles is quite nice...

i think i'll post it on the chiefsplanet message board.....;)


you should go do that

[LTfan4life]

lol.....that's true.....the pic of LT breaking his ankles is quite nice...

i think i'll post it on the chiefsplanet message board.....;)


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:)

[HeadTrip]

law signing with the chiefs?

i certainly didn't want to see law going to KC....people are downplaying it on the orangemane just like most people on this forum....

all i'm saying is the chiefs are clearly better with him than without him.....

and that alone is reason enough for me to hate this signing....

You are definately right for this year, but like I said, this will hurt the Chefs in the long run. That's a lot of money to spend on a CB who is 32, especially when the entire team is around the same age.

The rebuilding process is going to be very tough for them. I'm glad the Chargers are on the other end of the rebuilding tunnel :).

[GoTomlinson]

Herm could move him to safety in a couple years and prolong his career.

[broncosgc]

You are definately right for this year, but like I said, this will hurt the Chefs in the long run. That's a lot of money to spend on a CB who is 32, especially when the entire team is around the same age.

The rebuilding process is going to be very tough for them. I'm glad the Chargers are on the other end of the rebuilding tunnel :).


well i don't disagree with you there....

[Thunderstruck]

Herm could move him to safety in a couple years and prolong his career.

That's an awfully expensive safety.

[IgorUnchained]

Law lucked himself into 3 Super Bowl rings with the Pats and 10 INTs last season, and now he thinks he deserves a current NFL salary that reflects that? Sounds like the only teams that will be interested in a guy like that would be teams who are desperate for a winning record who are headed by defensive nitwits.

Herm Edwards? Who made this guy an expert on DBs anyway?
I have never even heard of this Peter Curtain guy who will be playing opposite from him in the secondary...is he an NFLE guy or what?
They think that Curtain and Law will be the answer to their secondary....but what about their safety play?

Wesley and Knight? These guys barely showed up last season. They only played in 16 games each.

Between them they produced 171 tackles, 8 INTs, 2 sacks, 2 fumrec, and one measley TD. I will be suprised if either of these misfits make the final squad this season.

There was no improvement to their pass rushing game last season....their D line was full of bums (Jared Allen had only 11 sacks last season), and Tamba Hali will only add to that pool of talent with his lackadaisical play. Someone needs to give that guy a reason to play ball or he loafs.

Go ahead Chiefs! adding guys like J Allen, D Johnson, T Hali, S Knight, T Law, P Surtain, and G Cunningham hasnt done anything to improve your defense!
They are just extravagant "quick fixes" that have no choice but to blow up right in your face. Expect cap hell and retribution from the leage.....and your team is still going to be sucking Chargers dust all season....just like every other season!

Suckers!!!

Go Bolts! :Bolt:

[GoTomlinson]

That's an awfully expensive safety.

Yea, it's just speculation that Law could serve his entire contract, but still not likely.

He will never match the value the Chiefs put on him. I wonder how the rest of the secondary feels about this transaction. They must really have desperate concerns about their secondary.

I wonder if this will affect Jammer's negotiations.

[Podium]

Law lucked himself into 3 Super Bowl rings with the Pats and 10 INTs last season, and now he thinks he deserves a current NFL salary that reflects that? Sounds like the only teams that will be interested in a guy like that would be teams who are desperate for a winning record who are headed by defensive nitwits.

Herm Edwards? Who made this guy an expert on DBs anyway?
I have never even heard of this Peter Curtain guy who will be playing opposite from him in the secondary...is he an NFLE guy or what?
They think that Curtain and Law will be the answer to their secondary....but what about their safety play?

Wesley and Knight? These guys barely showed up last season. They only played in 16 games each.

Between them they produced 171 tackles, 8 INTs, 2 sacks, 2 fumrec, and one measley TD. I will be suprised if either of these misfits make the final squad this season.

There was no improvement to their pass rushing game last season....their D line was full of bums (Jared Allen had only 11 sacks last season), and Tamba Hali will only add to that pool of talent with his lackadaisical play. Someone needs to give that guy a reason to play ball or he loafs.

Go ahead Chiefs! adding guys like J Allen, D Johnson, T Hali, S Knight, T Law, P Surtain, and G Cunningham hasnt done anything to improve your defense!
They are just extravagant "quick fixes" that have no choice but to blow up right in your face. Expect cap hell and retribution from the leage.....and your team is still going to be sucking Chargers dust all season....just like every other season!

Suckers!!!

Go Bolts! :Bolt:

Great post Igor.

This is a perfect move for the Chiefs, seriously. This team is more or less built for the next year or two with all the age on their team. They're going to have to rebuild and they're going to be in cap hell, that's obvious. The question is whether they can capitalize this season and Law gives them a chance to do that. Add to the fact that Edwards coached Law in New York last season, he knows what he's getting with him and Law won't have to adjust to Herm's coaching style. Good move from the Chiefs point of view.

[Thunderstruck]

Law lucked himself into 3 Super Bowl rings with the Pats and 10 INTs last season, and now he thinks he deserves a current NFL salary that reflects that? Sounds like the only teams that will be interested in a guy like that would be teams who are desperate for a winning record who are headed by defensive nitwits.

Herm Edwards? Who made this guy an expert on DBs anyway?
I have never even heard of this Peter Curtain guy who will be playing opposite from him in the secondary...is he an NFLE guy or what?
They think that Curtain and Law will be the answer to their secondary....but what about their safety play?

Wesley and Knight? These guys barely showed up last season. They only played in 16 games each.

Between them they produced 171 tackles, 8 INTs, 2 sacks, 2 fumrec, and one measley TD. I will be suprised if either of these misfits make the final squad this season.

There was no improvement to their pass rushing game last season....their D line was full of bums (Jared Allen had only 11 sacks last season), and Tamba Hali will only add to that pool of talent with his lackadaisical play. Someone needs to give that guy a reason to play ball or he loafs.

Go ahead Chiefs! adding guys like J Allen, D Johnson, T Hali, S Knight, T Law, P Surtain, and G Cunningham hasnt done anything to improve your defense!
They are just extravagant "quick fixes" that have no choice but to blow up right in your face. Expect cap hell and retribution from the leage.....and your team is still going to be sucking Chargers dust all season....just like every other season!

Suckers!!!

Go Bolts! :Bolt:

They were such a good passing defense last year they ranked 30th in passing yards allowed, 28th in TD passes allowed, and 21st in opposing QB rating. They were 25th in total defense despite having a top-10 rush defense.

Don't get me wrong, Ty Law may help them this season and that wouldn't be a good thing for the Chargers, but Ty Law is also not the same player he was from 1998 to 2003. He's had two major surgeries and has become highly penalty-prone, not to mention that he's 32, which is old for an NFL CB. Yeah, he had 10 picks last season, but that means nothing. In 1998 he had 9 interceptions and then had 2 the next season.

Sorry, but I don't fear Ty Law for the same reason that I didn't want to bring him in as a starter for the Chargers. It was only a matter of time before some team stepped up and gave him his $6 million + per season, which is just friggin too much for a guy on the downside of his career.

For those thinking the Chiefs are going to take a major step forward defensively, I suppose they might, but don't forget; they are installing new coordinators on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball, along with a new head coach--there's going to be an adjustment period. So the question then becomes; can they make the adjustment quickly enough before a large portion of their team gets old...

[JoeMcRugby]

Yea, it's just speculation that Law could serve his entire contract, but still not likely.

He will never match the value the Chiefs put on him. I wonder how the rest of the secondary feels about this transaction. They must really have desperate concerns about their secondary.

I wonder if this will affect Jammer's negotiations.

The only way that it would have affected Jammer's negotiations had the Chargers been the fools to throw more than $30 million at a 32 year old CB.

Had the Chargers been the fools, then Jammer's demands would have started well above the Chiefs offer.

Just like the CB desperate Pats who failed to get suckered into overpaying for Law, the Chargers keep their salary structure intact and have the cap space to extend Jammer before he reaches unrestricted free agency. :Bolt:

[IgorUnchained]

They were such a good passing defense last year they ranked 30th in passing yards allowed, 28th in TD passes allowed, and 21st in opposing QB rating. They were 25th in total defense despite having a top-10 rush defense.

Don't get me wrong, Ty Law may help them this season and that wouldn't be a good thing for the Chargers, but Ty Law is also not the same player he was from 1998 to 2003. He's had two major surgeries and has become highly penalty-prone, not to mention that he's 32, which is old for an NFL CB. Yeah, he had 10 picks last season, but that means nothing. In 1998 he had 9 interceptions and then had 2 the next season.

Sorry, but I don't fear Ty Law for the same reason that I didn't want to bring him in as a starter for the Chargers. It was only a matter of time before some team stepped up and gave him his $6 million + per season, which is just friggin too much for a guy on the downside of his career.

For those thinking the Chiefs are going to take a major step forward defensively, I suppose they might, but don't forget; they are installing new coordinators on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball, along with a new head coach--there's going to be an adjustment period. So the question then becomes; can they make the adjustment quickly enough before a large portion of their team gets old...

Cunningham is their D coordinator and he had a whole season with the team last year.
Their offense is one of the oldest in the league and that is the best part of their team....just like we would miss old fogies like KMac and Oben.

They are getting better.....even if by just a teensy-weensy bit. If the Chargers dont "get better" to the same degree than the Chargers of last season, why should we expect to beat a better team that beat us last season?
Are you saying that you think this year's team is better than last year's team? How about the 04 squad?

30 is old in the NFL period.....most players barely make 25 years old at any position. That is a fact!
Most players dont have 3 Super Bowl rings and are coming off of 10 INT seasons either though. Ty Law has never been "most players" and he WILL be a noticeable force alongside Surtain next season.

You play to win and not to "not lose"....

You play for THIS SEASON and not the season's to come in the future....

Good move by the Chiefs....no doubt in my mind.

[crittydog]

Good move by the Chiefs. But, Law and Surtain can not cover McCardell and Parker, imo. Just like the Chargers corners can not cover Moss and Porter or any other good pair of wideouts. Still, Law and Surtain are very good anyway and they make plays. Their experience is what will help them get interceptions off a young Rivers and Qbs that make risky plays like Brooks and Plummer.
Of course, Law's health is the big part of the equation.

[kmartin575]

Law could post a very good season, as he will be somewhat familiar with the system. But, he could break a leg and not be a worry to anyone but the Chiefs :)

I'll wait til I see him play a game or two to judge how he will affect the division.

That Chief defense is old. Law, Surtain, Knight. 3/4 of their secondary is soon to be retired.

Not really. Surtain has another 5 years in him and the Chiefs already have there replacement for Sammy Knight. Therefore, no worries.

[Thunderstruck]

You play for THIS SEASON and not the season's to come in the future....



Wow. So by playing for THIS SEASON you mean going out and signing big-name free agents?

I wish you could point out some teams with that philosophy who have won a superbowl in recent years, because otherwise I'll have to think you're just saying that because it sounds good.

We fundamentally disagree on this issue. I believe in franchise-building, not team building. Team building will get you nowhere fast--but building a franchise with a sound fiscal policy and solid drafting will get you there eventually.

As far as the Chargers getting better is concerned, that's one of the benefits of having a young team; you can reasonably expect improvement even if you do nothing, based simply on the fact your young players will continue to develop. Our young players still have upside. How much upside does the Chiefs aging roster have? They have three or four good young players, but the core of their team is all older guys who will likely not play significantly better than they already have in their careers. And what happens if two or three of those veterans start to show their age?

[kmartin575]

Good move by the Chiefs. But, Law and Surtain can not cover McCardell and Parker, imo. Just like the Chargers corners can not cover Moss and Porter or any other good pair of wideouts. Still, Law and Surtain are very good anyway and they make plays. Their experience is what will help them get interceptions off a young Rivers and Qbs that make risky plays like Brooks and Plummer.
Of course, Law's health is the big part of the equation.

McCardell and Parker cannot compare to Moss and Porter. Surtain and Law are top 10 cornerbacks according to most rankings and can easily shutdown most wide receivers in the AFC West (except for Moss and maybe Javon Walker).

[TJ21]

Law will have another great season. And he'll help their fledgling defense. But he's by no means a longterm solution... they're paying for a quick fix... but then again, Trent Green isn't getting any younger so a quick fix on defense might be just what they needed if they want to make a legit run.

I think the Chiefs made a good move by getting him.

I never really wanted him here because I think Cromartie can do what Law can do and then some. :) Then again, I wouldn't have objected if we did sign him... I don't care how old he is, KMac had one of his best seasons last year and so did Law. They both have a lot left in the tank.

[kmartin575]

Marlon McCree isn't an experienced veteran?

He's a journeyman who isn't that good.

[Thunderstruck]

Not really. Surtain has another 5 years in him and the Chiefs already have there replacement for Sammy Knight. Therefore, no worries.

Surtain is 30. You think he'll be good until he's 35?

[BradenG]

All i know is if we were to sign ty law everyone would be so excited about our secondary but now that one of our rivals have signed him everyone is saying good he is getting old. Strange how your opinion will change if the guy isn't on your team.

[RMANCIL]

I like the Bolts long range plans and I understand why the Chiefs are taking Law. The Chiefs are faced with a aging team with a narrow window that is rapidly closing.

That said they will be better this season at least on paper , how all the coaching changes wash out be they improvements or not remain to be seen.

[Thunderstruck]

All i know is if we were to sign ty law everyone would be so excited about our secondary but now that one of our rivals have signed him everyone is saying good he is getting old. Strange how your opinion will change if the guy isn't on your team.

If we had signed Ty Law to that kind of deal I'd be ticked. He's 32!

[SP17BOLT]

All i know is if we were to sign ty law everyone would be so excited about our secondary but now that one of our rivals have signed him everyone is saying good he is getting old. Strange how your opinion will change if the guy isn't on your team.

who is your team

[SuperBowlBolts]

All i know is if we were to sign ty law everyone would be so excited about our secondary but now that one of our rivals have signed him everyone is saying good he is getting old. Strange how your opinion will change if the guy isn't on your team.
and what are you talking about? dont speak for everyone. there are a lot of us who wanted law to stay far away from the chargers and im one of them.

[HeadTrip]

All i know is if we were to sign ty law everyone would be so excited about our secondary but now that one of our rivals have signed him everyone is saying good he is getting old. Strange how your opinion will change if the guy isn't on your team.

It's like that on every board. I went to the Saint's board and told them about Drew (smart, good guy, good short passer, but very poor deepball and hasn't been able to put a team on his back and get a win) and they just reemed me. It was like they all thought they new more about Drew and the Bolt's season last year than I did.

Anyway, if the Chargers were to sign Law I would be slightly happy, however the situations are different. Just like the Cheifs the Bolts are a very good team that has SB potential, however the Chargers are young and have a very favorable cap situation. This means we could afford Law's services better and we don't have so many upcoming holes to fill. In other words the Chargers wouldn't be paying for signing Law 3 years down the road like the Chiefs will.

At any rate, I'd say KC's offseason is something of a wash, maybe a little better, thus far. The team got better, but even older and with a new (and less competent) coaching staff.

Maybe everything will work out for them and they will be a serious contender this year, but that's the extent of it. Their window is this year and it's not looking too good for them. Like I said, they should be slightly better than last year, but if they don't get it done they are finished for years to come. In contrast the Chargers are set up to challenge for a SB for 5-10 years IMO.

[SP17BOLT]

Think about the future thats what the chargers are thinking about

[jwrzeski]

He can turn his head 360 degrees right?

Ty Law will have to in order to keep his eyes on VJ running right past him into the post.

:D

What a waste of money, this is anothoer example of Herm being a players coach. This is a make or break season for him and I promise it willbreak him!

[jwrzeski]

who is your team
I would not spend that type of $ on him. The chiefs canhave him. WE WILL BE THE AFC WEST CHAMPS!

[Fouts2Chandler]

Marlon McCree isn't an experienced veteran?

If you are going by the definition of experience that is provided by Websters Dictionary, then yes....Marlon is experienced.

He's not Ty Law caliber. Old or not. He's serviceable.

Bradeng makes a good point. If he was signed by the Bolts, we'd be ridiculously happy. Now that he has joined the Chiefs, he's old and no longer effective. Let's be real. He would have been an upgrade. We didn't sign him. No biggie.

[SuperBowlBolts]

If you are going by the definition of experience that is provided by Websters Dictionary, then yes....Marlon is experienced.

He's not Ty Law caliber. Old or not. He's serviceable.

Bradeng makes a good point. If he was signed by the Bolts, we'd be ridiculously happy. Now that he has joined the Chiefs, he's old and no longer effective. Let's be real. He would have been an upgrade. We didn't sign him. No biggie.
really now? i wouldnt be happy. not everyone on here would be happy. a lot of us wanted him to stay away, for various reasons, hes old, his 10 ints werent all that great, he'll be a stunt in the growth of cromartie and many other things.

[BCBoltFan]

All i know is if we were to sign ty law everyone would be so excited about our secondary but now that one of our rivals have signed him everyone is saying good he is getting old. Strange how your opinion will change if the guy isn't on your team.
Wrong. Pretty much everyone here, regardless of if they were wanting us to sign him or not, acknowledged that his age would be a factor.

[JoeMcRugby]

Wrong, Fouts2Chandler.

I and others have said for several months that we'd love to have Law in Chargers camp for a $2 to $3 million per season two-year deal.

Words cannot express how happy that the Chargers (in the same line with the "pathetic" Patriots) weren't foolish enough to tender a 32 year old CB a five-year contract worth more than $30 million.

Good luck in your "2006 then blow up the franchise" season, Carl Peterson! :Bolt:

Eh, on second thought, it's going to be fun watching the Chiefs franchise miss out on the playoffs yet again (while the Chargers get into the dance) and then be forced to rebuild an ancient roster.

[Fouts2Chandler]

really now? i wouldnt be happy. not everyone on here would be happy. a lot of us wanted him to stay away, for various reasons, hes old, his 10 ints werent all that great, he'll be a stunt in the growth of cromartie and many other things.

Really? You don't think Cromartie would benefit from the tutelage of Ty Law? Interesting. I disagree. Would you like Cromartie to tutor under Jammer and learn how not to play the DB position well?

Age is always going to be a factor....but he still would be an upgrade over our current situation IMO. He was too expensive and that is why I am glad we didn't sign him...

[Xenos]

Really? You don't think Cromartie would benefit from the tutelage of Ty Law? Interesting. I disagree. Would you like Cromartie to tutor under Jammer and learn how not to play the DB position well?


Yea, Jammer played so horrible that he gave up only 2 touchdowns. Wow! And how many touchdowns did Law give up?

[SP17BOLT]

jammer help us win the jets game in the end, law help LT with hes dancing skills lol

[Fouts2Chandler]

Yea, Jammer played so horrible that he gave up only 2 touchdowns. Wow! And how many touchdowns did Law give up?

Dude, if you can honestly say that Jammer had a fantastic season, I tip my hat to you...

...and I call you a liar.

How many games did Jammer contribute to us losing last year by commiting a stupid penalty at the wrong time, etc? I remember him coming into last seasons saying he had been working on his pass reading ability in the offseason....riiiiight.

[Fouts2Chandler]

jammer help us win the jets game in the end, law help LT with hes dancing skills lol

By catching the tipped ball? Yes he did. And I thanked him for it repeatedly as I paid for my bill at Seau's.

[crittydog]

McCardell and Parker cannot compare to Moss and Porter. Surtain and Law are top 10 cornerbacks according to most rankings and can easily shutdown most wide receivers in the AFC West (except for Moss and maybe Javon Walker).

I didnt say Mcardell and Parker were as good. I said the cornerbacks Law and Surtain can not cover them just like the chargers' corners can not cover those players. And there is no way they will shut them down. Surtain was with the Chiefs last years and in the 2 games, McCardell had 11rec 131yds, Parker 8rec 99yds 1td. The only recievers these 2 can shut down in the AFC West is their own.

[Dojo]

here's my thinking of Law. He'll be playing in the cover 2 scheme that Edwards had him in last year. I think it's the perfect defense for him at this moment because he IS so physical. He's also very smart. His picks were welll short of spectacular last year, so it's one of two things:
1: he's very smart and comfortable in the defense, which gives him the ability to freelance a little more

2: He simply got lucky and was in the right place at the right time.

I'm leaning towards door #1 but I'm hoping for door #2 :D I also heard that he's a bit overweight and has to lose some poundage before he could compete.

[SuperBowlBolts]

Really? You don't think Cromartie would benefit from the tutelage of Ty Law? Interesting. I disagree. Would you like Cromartie to tutor under Jammer and learn how not to play the DB position well?

Age is always going to be a factor....but he still would be an upgrade over our current situation IMO. He was too expensive and that is why I am glad we didn't sign him...
that right there is the worse thing ive ever read on the boards. jammer not play well? are you blind?

[SuperBowlBolts]

Dude, if you can honestly say that Jammer had a fantastic season, I tip my hat to you...

...and I call you a liar.

How many games did Jammer contribute to us losing last year by commiting a stupid penalty at the wrong time, etc? I remember him coming into last seasons saying he had been working on his pass reading ability in the offseason....riiiiight.
uh, and how much did he contribute to us winning games in the second half of the season starting with the jets game? a whole lot.
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the bold part. i remember jammers Pass Deflections stats being up there with the leagues best. riiiight so much for that.

[MadForPlaid]

Marlon McCree isn't an experienced veteran?

Picky, no? :)

I neglected to add cornerback in my statement, i.e. "...experienced veteran cornerback..."

[WonderSlug]

If you are going by the definition of experience that is provided by Websters Dictionary, then yes....Marlon is experienced.

He's not Ty Law caliber. Old or not. He's serviceable.

Bradeng makes a good point. If he was signed by the Bolts, we'd be ridiculously happy. Now that he has joined the Chiefs, he's old and no longer effective. Let's be real. He would have been an upgrade. We didn't sign him. No biggie.

The Chiefs have given up 57 passing TD over the past 2 years.

That's an average of about 28 per season. How much will Ty Law be able to reduce that, and will it be worth the huge contract they pay him?

[Shamrock]

Hopefully, Law will lead NFL CBs in penalty yardage and pile up INTs in meaningless late season games like the 2005 season.

Here's to Law playing very mediocre football in September, October and November at superstar wages like he did in leading the Jets to a 2-10 start last year! :Bolt:
I totally agree.

All KC did was extend and mortgage future salary caps, which will prevent them from giving contract extensions to some of their deserving young players.

Herm Edwards ran the Jets into the ground by giving $$$ to older veterans, and signing Ty Law shows he's doing the same to KC.

:Bolt:

[JoeMcRugby]

The Chiefs have given up 57 passing TD over the past 2 years.

That's an average of about 28 per season. How much will Ty Law be able to reduce that, and will it be worth the huge contract they pay him?

I'll have to locate it though a search, but KC Joyner noted that Ty Law rated in the mid-20s of CBs in the NFL in the percentage of passes completed against him in 2005.

It reinforces the NY sportswriters' assessments that Law was OK in 2005 when teams started attacking him after spending years staying away from his side of the field.

More than $30 million over five years for an end of the road 32-year old CB who relies on physical play?

Puhhhhhhleazzzzzzzzzzze!! Not even his former team where he had all of his success fell for that one. :rolleyes:

[WonderSlug]

I totally agree.

All KC did was extend and mortgage future salary caps, which will prevent them from giving contract extensions to some of their deserving young players.

Herm Edwards ran the Jets into the ground by giving $$$ to older veterans, and signing Ty Law shows he's doing the same to KC.

:Bolt:

Yup. Herm Edwards and Co. demolished the Jets salary cap space for 2006 by doing this. At one point they were $30 million OVER the cap, back in February.

Looks like the same affliction will befall the Chiefs in a year or two.

[IgorUnchained]

I'll have to locate it though a search, but KC Joyner noted that Ty Law rated in the mid-20s of CBs in the NFL in the percentage of passes completed against him in 2005.

It reinforces the NY sportswriters' assessments that Law was OK in 2005 when teams started attacking him after spending years staying away from his side of the field.

More than $30 million over five years for an end of the road 32-year old CB who relies on physical play?

Puhhhhhhleazzzzzzzzzzze!! Not even his former team where he had all of his success fell for that one. :rolleyes:

We know that the top 2 teams that were looking at Law were the Patriots ( a team and a coach he has played for) and the Chiefs ( a coach he played for last season).......Im sure Bill and Herm know a little more about Law than the experts on this board. Sorry, but no matter how many hours of game film you study.....how many of Law's games you have seen in person.....how accurate your pay sites are.....

The organizations and/or coaches that he has played for for the past 12 years DO know more than you do.....and those were the idiots that "fell for" Law and his sales pitch.

[IgorUnchained]

Yup. Herm Edwards and Co. demolished the Jets salary cap space for 2006 by doing this. At one point they were $30 million OVER the cap, back in February.

Looks like the same affliction will befall the Chiefs in a year or two.


People have been saying that for as long as this message board has been going. The Broncos and Raiders are the usual suspects, but the Chiefs have been spending ALOT of money in the past 2 years to improve their roster.

So far, none of our conference rivals have been reprimanded or have imploded due to salary cap reasons.....in fact, with the new CBA they all got to reshuffle their priorities a bit and keep most of their roster from last year (when they were all supposed to fall apart).

Maybe AJ has his "eye on the future" fixed on 09 when these teams will REALLY start feeling their caps!

Maybe we will save up ALL of our cap room between now and then, and when the other teams are losing 3rd round draft picks for their "cap cheating".....AJ will be in the perfect position to pounce!

[YetAnotherSDFan]

People have been saying that for as long as this message board has been going. The Broncos and Raiders are the usual suspects, but the Chiefs have been spending ALOT of money in the past 2 years to improve their roster.

So far, none of our conference rivals have been reprimanded or have imploded due to salary cap reasons.....in fact, with the new CBA they all got to reshuffle their priorities a bit and keep most of their roster from last year (when they were all supposed to fall apart).

Maybe AJ has his "eye on the future" fixed on 09 when these teams will REALLY start feeling their caps!

Maybe we will save up ALL of our cap room between now and then, and when the other teams are losing 3rd round draft picks for their "cap cheating".....AJ will be in the perfect position to pounce!


I agree that DEN has been very succesful in building through FA but the Raiders did have to make significant shuffling and seem far from reaching the top of the AFC west

[JoeMcRugby]

We know that the top 2 teams that were looking at Law were the Patriots ( a team and a coach he has played for) and the Chiefs ( a coach he played for last season).......Im sure Bill and Herm know a little more about Law than the experts on this board. Sorry, but no matter how many hours of game film you study.....how many of Law's games you have seen in person.....how accurate your pay sites are.....

The organizations and/or coaches that he has played for for the past 12 years DO know more than you do.....and those were the idiots that "fell for" Law and his sales pitch.

Igor, Law and the Postons gave the Pats a chance to match.

They declined.

Free agent cornerback Ty Law is closing in on a five-year deal worth more than $30 million with the Kansas City Chiefs according to an NFL source. The Chiefs have been pursuing Law for the last few months.

However, according to the NFL source, the Patriots will have one final shot to match or exceed the Chiefs' offer. The Patriots has extended an offer to Law, but at a level below the current Chiefs' offer.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/07/23/law_close_to_deal_with_chiefs/

[JoeMcRugby]

I agree that DEN has been very succesful in building through FA but the Raiders did have to make significant shuffling and seem far from reaching the top of the AFC west

Denver has one playoff victory after seven seasons with their current strategy - which, by the way, did not allow them to sign any free agents this offseason because of cap constraints. Outside of their hanging on by their fingernails victory over the Patriots last year, they've been blown off the field by everyone post-Elway.

The Chargers will equal if not exceed that playoff victory total in 2006 and will have a young team built for a half-decade run instead of a team predicated on "2006 or bust" like the Donks. ;)

[YetAnotherSDFan]

Denver has one playoff victory after seven seasons with their current strategy - which, by the way, did not allow them to sign any free agents this offseason because of cap constraints. Outside of their hanging on by their fingernails victory over the Patriots last year, they've been blown off the field by everyone post-Elway.

The Chargers will equal if not exceed that playoff victory total in 2006 and will have a young team built for a half-decade run instead of a team predicated on "2006 or bust" like the Donks. ;)

If playoff results are the prefered measuring stick compared to regular season performance then you are correct. I do hope your categorical predictions in regards to our playoff future are correct also. However, I was thinking that under that measuring stick we might as well fire Schot rigth now, how long has it been since that guy won a playoff game? How many games below .500 is he? Nevermind he has a great track record on the regular season ... good luck to him trying to get to the HOF with those numbers, if the people who make those calls use that measuring stick

[IgorUnchained]

Denver has one playoff victory after seven seasons with their current strategy - which, by the way, did not allow them to sign any free agents this offseason because of cap constraints. Outside of their hanging on by their fingernails victory over the Patriots last year, they've been blown off the field by everyone post-Elway.

The Chargers will equal if not exceed that playoff victory total in 2006 and will have a young team built for a half-decade run instead of a team predicated on "2006 or bust" like the Donks. ;)


The Broncos picked up Walker....whatever you want to call him, he was a great pickup, a risk, and a hit to the wallet. There is only one reason to do that...because you want to win football games. Denver knows they can run and they already have "name guys" like Smith, Lelie, and Watts as WRs.

They are aggressive and they overpay with no consequences. They made a move for Champ....good move. They picked up John Lynch (too old).....great move. They knew when they should bring Ian Gold back.....good move. They kept Jake "the mistake" and paid cash money for the Browns old D line (in the same offseason that they picked up Jerry Rice (now HE was too old) and Maurice Clarrett).

Safe and Sane?

Does it even make sense?

No....but history doesnt lie. Ask history who won the AFC West last season.





As for the Patriots not matching the Chiefs offer to Law, I didnt once say that they did. I said the top two bidders were the Pats and Chiefs...the two teams that know Law best.

Let's say that Law gets 6 mil a year (we know he wont) because of his 5 year 30 million dollar contract.

You have said that you would have brought him in for a couple of years for about 2-3 million dollars a year.

Since we dont know exactly what the Pats offered, lets assume it was closer to your figure.....it doesnt change the fact that the organization the guy spent 11 years with (so they REALLY know how old he is) were in the running til the very end. It says alot when your last two bosses get into a bidding war over you to decide where you will work again. Final bidding ends at around 5 mil a year. The coach of the team that put the Chargers out of their last playoff game "won" him.
The current coach of the team that decimated the Chargers D last season now has another new weapon in his arsenal on the other side of the ball....and he thinks it is worth it.
Maybe they are trying to catch up to the Bolts! Maybe they are looking to go all the way since they are going to have to reshuffle their roster VERY SOON and drop some OLD guys anyway in the very near future.

Either way...they are stocked THIS YEAR. The best team that their money could buy. They dont have to win every game....just more than the Chargers. That is all it takes to sour my season.

[loweezy]

The Broncos picked up Walker....whatever you want to call him, he was a great pickup, a risk, and a hit to the wallet. There is only one reason to do that...because you want to win football games. Denver knows they can run and they already have "name guys" like Smith, Lelie, and Watts as WRs.

They are aggressive and they overpay with no consequences. They made a move for Champ....good move. They picked up John Lynch (too old).....great move. They knew when they should bring Ian Gold back.....good move. They kept Jake "the mistake" and paid cash money for the Browns old D line (in the same offseason that they picked up Jerry Rice (now HE was too old) and Maurice Clarrett).

Safe and Sane?

Does it even make sense?

No....but history doesnt lie. Ask history who won the AFC West last season.





As for the Patriots not matching the Chiefs offer to Law, I didnt once say that they did. I said the top two bidders were the Pats and Chiefs...the two teams that know Law best.

Let's say that Law gets 6 mil a year (we know he wont) because of his 5 year 30 million dollar contract.

You have said that you would have brought him in for a couple of years for about 2-3 million dollars a year.

Since we dont know exactly what the Pats offered, lets assume it was closer to your figure.....it doesnt change the fact that the organization the guy spent 11 years with (so they REALLY know how old he is) were in the running til the very end. It says alot when your last two bosses get into a bidding war over you to decide where you will work again. Final bidding ends at around 5 mil a year. The coach of the team that put the Chargers out of their last playoff game "won" him.
The current coach of the team that decimated the Chargers D last season now has another new weapon in his arsenal on the other side of the ball....and he thinks it is worth it.
Maybe they are trying to catch up to the Bolts! Maybe they are looking to go all the way since they are going to have to reshuffle their roster VERY SOON and drop some OLD guys anyway in the very near future.

Either way...they are stocked THIS YEAR. The best team that their money could buy. They dont have to win every game....just more than the Chargers. That is all it takes to sour my season.

it's not even sure that the chiefs will even win more games than the chargers will next year... and yet they mortgaged some more of their future... along with an aging line, and some aging players at key positions, they added yet another aging player for a pricetag that was deemed too expensive by the team that dominated the first part of this decade... you said it best yourself... they have to reshuffle their roster soon... don't count your chargers out because they didn't shell out top dollar for a name.

[IgorUnchained]

it's not even sure that the chiefs will even win more games than the chargers will next year... and yet they mortgaged some more of their future... along with an aging line, and some aging players at key positions, they added yet another aging player for a pricetag that was deemed too expensive by the team that dominated the first part of this decade... you said it best yourself... they have to reshuffle their roster soon... don't count your chargers out because they didn't shell out top dollar for a name.


Was I counting the Chargers out?

Was I saying that the Chiefs will win more games than the Chargers this season?

Strange that I do that every day on this board, but Ive been here for years. Qustioning offseason moves of other teams doesnt mean that you are giving up on your team.
I think I was just making a point that Ty Law is a plus (not a minus) to the Chiefs. I even backed up my statements with facts and a few numbers!

If Ty Law isnt worth his money this season, it will be the first time in his career. You get what you pay for. Brady and Vinetieri get alot of the credit for those wins, but just like Champ with the Donks last season, you have to give Law alot of props for being a playmaker for them as well.

Just because the Patriots didnt match that offer doesnt mean that they werent in the ballpark. Unless you have their final offer to Law linked, I will have to assume that you are as clueless about the actual numbers as the rest of us. For the record.

[TJ21]

If we had signed Ty Law to that kind of deal I'd be ticked. He's 32!

How old is kMac?

I don't care if Law was 72... he still has 10 INTs.

That being said, I wouldn't have been jumping for joy if we signed him, if not for the simple fact that I want Cromartie starting sooner. I don't buy the "he's old" excuse though. :-/

[loweezy]

Was I counting the Chargers out?

Was I saying that the Chiefs will win more games than the Chargers this season?

Strange that I do that every day on this board, but Ive been here for years. Qustioning offseason moves of other teams doesnt mean that you are giving up on your team.
I think I was just making a point that Ty Law is a plus (not a minus) to the Chiefs. I even backed up my statements with facts and a few numbers!

If Ty Law isnt worth his money this season, it will be the first time in his career. You get what you pay for. Brady and Vinetieri get alot of the credit for those wins, but just like Champ with the Donks last season, you have to give Law alot of props for being a playmaker for them as well.

Just because the Patriots didnt match that offer doesnt mean that they werent in the ballpark. Unless you have their final offer to Law linked, I will have to assume that you are as clueless about the actual numbers as the rest of us. For the record.
hmmm...

i'm not exactly saying that law isn't a plus for the team that he's on... but i'm thinking long term, and you're contending that there have been really no ramifications for teams overspending on players...

that's odd considering that the team that he had a "probowl" season for last year, spent similarly on law last year, and didn't opt to keep him around for the duration of his contract (after only one season)... the team that paid for wins last year, ended up with the # 4 pick in the draft this year, and law quite frankly wasn't worth the money they paid him, otherwise he'd still be in a jet uniform.

oh and... you don't think the jets are a prime example of a team rebuilding? after just one year from beating the chargers in the playoffs, they had come into last season with high hopes, and now find themselves in rebuilding mode, thanks to herm edwards carelessness with the salary cap...

herm, you are more than welcome to dismantle the chiefs in the same fashion... though i'm not sure that the age of a lot of key players on the chiefs wouldn't have beaten you to it anyway.

[kmartin575]

It's like that on every board. I went to the Saint's board and told them about Drew (smart, good guy, good short passer, but very poor deepball and hasn't been able to put a team on his back and get a win) and they just reemed me. It was like they all thought they new more about Drew and the Bolt's season last year than I did.

Anyway, if the Chargers were to sign Law I would be slightly happy, however the situations are different. Just like the Cheifs the Bolts are a very good team that has SB potential, however the Chargers are young and have a very favorable cap situation. This means we could afford Law's services better and we don't have so many upcoming holes to fill. In other words the Chargers wouldn't be paying for signing Law 3 years down the road like the Chiefs will.

At any rate, I'd say KC's offseason is something of a wash, maybe a little better, thus far. The team got better, but even older and with a new (and less competent) coaching staff.

Maybe everything will work out for them and they will be a serious contender this year, but that's the extent of it. Their window is this year and it's not looking too good for them. Like I said, they should be slightly better than last year, but if they don't get it done they are finished for years to come. In contrast the Chargers are set up to challenge for a SB for 5-10 years IMO.j

Less competent coaching staff? We improved our positional coaches greatly and have a very capable head coach that comes from the same mold as your very own Marty Schottenheimer.

[kmartin575]

I totally agree.

All KC did was extend and mortgage future salary caps, which will prevent them from giving contract extensions to some of their deserving young players.

Herm Edwards ran the Jets into the ground by giving $$$ to older veterans, and signing Ty Law shows he's doing the same to KC.

:Bolt:

Herm Edwards wasn't the GM in KC or New York genius. This does not affect our ability to lock up our own players. Within the next year KC will lock up Tony Gonzalez (his deal will probably be done before the season), Jared Allen, Larry Johnson, and Kawika Mitchell.

[loweezy]

Herm Edwards wasn't the GM in KC or New York genius. This does not affect our ability to lock up our own players. Within the next year KC will lock up Tony Gonzalez (his deal will probably be done before the season), Jared Allen, Larry Johnson, and Kawika Mitchell.

no... but he had a huge influence on bringing law into new york last year... and was a huge reason why he's in kc now... despite the huge price tag that came with law...

genius...

[kmartin575]

no... but he had a huge influence on bringing law into new york last year... and was a huge reason why he's in kc now... despite the huge price tag that came with law...

genius...

Who cares about the price tag. Law will be cut after a year or two anyways and while we will have somewhat of a cap hit, it will be worth it.

[TJ21]

Trent Green is not getting any younger and he is the best hope for a superbowl for KC. They need a "quick fix" for their horrible defense if they expect to make a run this year.

[IgorUnchained]

hmmm...

i'm not exactly saying that law isn't a plus for the team that he's on... but i'm thinking long term, and you're contending that there have been really no ramifications for teams overspending on players...

that's odd considering that the team that he had a "probowl" season for last year, spent similarly on law last year, and didn't opt to keep him around for the duration of his contract (after only one season)... the team that paid for wins last year, ended up with the # 4 pick in the draft this year, and law quite frankly wasn't worth the money they paid him, otherwise he'd still be in a jet uniform.

oh and... you don't think the jets are a prime example of a team rebuilding? after just one year from beating the chargers in the playoffs, they had come into last season with high hopes, and now find themselves in rebuilding mode, thanks to herm edwards carelessness with the salary cap...

herm, you are more than welcome to dismantle the chiefs in the same fashion... though i'm not sure that the age of a lot of key players on the chiefs wouldn't have beaten you to it anyway.

That is exactly it....the Chiefs "window" is different than the Chargers. I can make an argument as to why Law would be good for just about any team...but the Chiefs and Chargers are easy....the AFC West has GREAT WRs! The NFC East is the only conference with better WRs in my opinion. There are many other reasons....but that one alone is good enough for me. Davis is gone, Fletcher is gone, and Im not sure who the 4th CB is yet. Is it Walls? Ever seen him play? You will with the sprain of a an ankle or a family emergency. 16 games is a long season and I beleive that Law and Jammer would be a great group for Cromartie to learn under.

Water under the bridge.....but I guarantee that Law knows more about the 3-4 than anyone but Wade on the Chargers staff or roster. Sure helped Merriman and Foley to come right in and produce.

[Fouts2Chandler]

The Chiefs have given up 57 passing TD over the past 2 years.

That's an average of about 28 per season. How much will Ty Law be able to reduce that, and will it be worth the huge contract they pay him?

Ty Law will be able to reduce that by 1.28 TD's a game (1.21 GIGAWATTS!)

I've said repeatedly he was not worth the money....however most of the highest paid players in the league are in the secondary...

[Fouts2Chandler]

Was I counting the Chargers out?

Was I saying that the Chiefs will win more games than the Chargers this season?

Strange that I do that every day on this board, but Ive been here for years. Qustioning offseason moves of other teams doesnt mean that you are giving up on your team.
I think I was just making a point that Ty Law is a plus (not a minus) to the Chiefs. I even backed up my statements with facts and a few numbers!

If Ty Law isnt worth his money this season, it will be the first time in his career. You get what you pay for. Brady and Vinetieri get alot of the credit for those wins, but just like Champ with the Donks last season, you have to give Law alot of props for being a playmaker for them as well.

Just because the Patriots didnt match that offer doesnt mean that they werent in the ballpark. Unless you have their final offer to Law linked, I will have to assume that you are as clueless about the actual numbers as the rest of us. For the record.

Great points. By saying that Law is an upgrade (especially him and Surtain together), we are not saying the Bolts are out of it....it is just a good addition to the defensive secondary for the KC Chiefs. Will he be worth the month? Probably not. He's still an upgrade. Calm down jackals.

[loweezy]

That is exactly it....the Chiefs "window" is different than the Chargers. I can make an argument as to why Law would be good for just about any team...but the Chiefs and Chargers are easy....the AFC West has GREAT WRs! The NFC East is the only conference with better WRs in my opinion. There are many other reasons....but that one alone is good enough for me. Davis is gone, Fletcher is gone, and Im not sure who the 4th CB is yet. Is it Walls? Ever seen him play? You will with the sprain of a an ankle or a family emergency. 16 games is a long season and I beleive that Law and Jammer would be a great group for Cromartie to learn under.

Water under the bridge.....but I guarantee that Law knows more about the 3-4 than anyone but Wade on the Chargers staff or roster. Sure helped Merriman and Foley to come right in and produce.

yah... but i think you get lost in the salary cap negotiations... if you think the chargers should have paid as much as the chiefs did, then none of what you said matters...he's overpaid... plain and simple.

[JoeMcRugby]

Chiefs’ signing of Law may make re-signing Gonzalez, Mitchell more difficult

There was no doubting the mutual interest between the Chiefs and free-agent CB Ty Law, but whether his recent signing will prevent the team from signing perennial Pro Bowl TE Tony Gonzalez and MLB Kawika Mitchell to contract extensions remains to be seen.

The addition of Law, who came back from a serious foot injury to intercept a league-high 10 passes with the Jets in 2005, solidifies the CB spot opposite Patrick Surtain — a job that would have been up in the air in training camp between a collection of untested youth that includes Julian Battle, Benny Sapp, Marcus Maxey and former Bronco Lenny Walls. Prior to Law’s arrival, the Chiefs were $8 million under the salary cap, according to GM Carl Peterson, but not all of that space was designated for pursuing Law.

The team’s crop of rookies will cost the club roughly $3.5 million, and Peterson usually likes to keep close to $2 million in reserve in case of injuries in the preseason. Those facts could potentially stall new deals for Gonzalez and Mitchell, both of whom are scheduled to become free agents after this season. The relationship Law developed with Herman Edwards in New York last season and the Chiefs’ potential for ’06 were said to weigh heavily into his decision.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm?mode=afcwest

[HeadTrip]

j

Less competent coaching staff? We improved our positional coaches greatly and have a very capable head coach that comes from the same mold as your very own Marty Schottenheimer.

I'll take your word for it as far as positional coaches go, but I know for a fact Herm Edwards is a significant downgrade from Vermiel.

[Shamrock]

Chiefs’ signing of Law may make re-signing Gonzalez, Mitchell more difficult


http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm?mode=afcwest
That's exactly my point.

Herm will run the Squaws into the ground, just like he did the Jets. Have fun KC fans ....

[Satcong_21]

Great points. By saying that Law is an upgrade (especially him and Surtain together), we are not saying the Bolts are out of it....it is just a good addition to the defensive secondary for the KC Chiefs. Will he be worth the month? Probably not. He's still an upgrade. Calm down jackals.

Good addition as in paper writing only...This is the year when the Law will be broken...Five years deal, you kidding me?...What's the point when he is gonna get cut after this year for cap reason....Well it only means that LT is gonna have more highlights film to choose from for HOF induction years and years from now...And I am sure number 24 is in the picture somewhere...:D

Although "Ty Law" is a pretty cool name, I must say...Ty Law and Lawyer Milloy...Dang, them Pats had a few cool name guys...

[Satcong_21]

Ty Law will be able to reduce that by 1.28 TD's a game (1.21 GIGAWATTS!)

I've said repeatedly he was not worth the money....however most of the highest paid players in the league are in the secondary...

Shhhhht....:nono: Don't let Jammer and rookie Cro knows that, will ya?? :D

[WonderSlug]

That's exactly my point.

Herm will run the Squaws into the ground, just like he did the Jets. Have fun KC fans ....

In about 18 months KC fans will be wondering what the heck happened to cause their salary cap hell. :D

[Xenos]

Great points. By saying that Law is an upgrade (especially him and Surtain together), we are not saying the Bolts are out of it....it is just a good addition to the defensive secondary for the KC Chiefs. Will he be worth the month? Probably not. He's still an upgrade. Calm down jackals.

You're right about the idea that he is an upgrade for the Chiefs, but I'm not so sure about him being an upgrade for the Chargers. For all your complaints about Jammer causing unnecessary penalties, Law was just as bad. Do you honestly want two penalties machines on the field at the same time?
Another important thing to note is the 10 interceptions. It sounds great on paper, but how great is it if a cb gets 10 a season? What does it mean if teams are willing to risk throwing so much to him? It probably means that despite his high amount interceptions, the qb of the opposing teams were not afraid of Law, and thus they kept throwing in his directions. Compare 2005 interceptions to Law's probowl years with the Patriots, when he helped them win three Superbowls. How many interceptions did he have during those years? Not as much obviously (wasn't it like 3 or 4). And yes I know that was more than what our cbs had last year as well. That's another thing they have to work on as well.
Law hasn't been the same since they enacted that new rule regarding touching receivers about 5 yards. He's in exactly the same situation Jammer is, since both are the physical type who benefitted more from the old rules. The difference is that Jammer is younger and has proven that last year that he can improve. He just needs to be more consistent. I mean one minute you're shutting down T.O., Harrison, Moss, and the next minute you're getting burned by Chris Chambers? Of course, how much of that is on the safeties and how much is on Jammer alone is also an interesting fact to bring up.

[Ikeman83]

What this comes down to for me is whether Law would actually produce for us in our system. I don't think that adding Ty Law would help our team as much as McCree will. I think that improving the safeties and drafting talent at CB will prove to be the better move both in the long term and in the short term.

[C}{ARG3R]

What this comes down to for me is whether Law would actually produce for us in our system. I don't think that adding Ty Law would help our team as much as McCree will. I think that improving the safeties and drafting talent at CB will prove to be the better move both in the long term and in the short term.
... not to mention in the pocket as well.

[Ikeman83]

... not to mention in the pocket as well.

I'm confused about what the pocket has to do with secondary play...

[WonderSlug]

I'm confused about what the pocket has to do with secondary play...

I think he meant "pocketbook", meaning that McCree will help our secondary as much as Ty Law will help the Chiefs, and at a much lower price.

[Ikeman83]

I think he meant "pocketbook", meaning that McCree will help our secondary as much as Ty Law will help the Chiefs, and at a much lower price.

If that's what he was talking about then he hit it dead on.

[Tomlinson21]

Get used to seeing this Chief/Raider Fans twice a year:
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/peter_king/07/24/mmqb/p1_law_iacono.jpg

While we'll be enjoying this ALL year:
http://photos.signonsandiego.com/gallery1.5/albums/051106jets/051106lt_break.jpg

:21: :Bolt:

[Shamrock]

Read what Vic of the Jaguars says about the Chiefs signing of Ty Law:


http://www.jaguars.com/story/5294.asp

Jason from Hagerstown, MD: I know you dislike Ty Law because he is too old and had surgery, which you said he would not overcome and then he went out there and made the Pro-Bowl. Can one of the greatest corners prove you wrong once again?

Vic: I was against signing Ty Law because it would've been a stop-gap measure, which it clearly turned out to be for the Jets. He left the Jets with $3 million in “dead money.” No way; not for me, but that's what you're going to get when you sign old, stop-gap players. The Chiefs will be the next team with a “dead money” debt, but their cap is already a mess anyhow so it really doesn't matter. The Jaguars didn't achieve the salary cap health they currently enjoy by taking risks.

[BMoseleyINC]

Sweet, now LT has 2 Guaranteed games to Juke his drawers off again.

[TJ21]

Don't underestimate Law in the passing game. The last thing we need is Rivers to have a Holcomb-like series against Law.

[Tomlinson21]

Agree with Tahirjon and Devilspawn. I'm just picture poster happy today...sorry. :Beer:

Dont get me wrong. With the addition of Ty Law now in the mix, Herm Edwards actually does have a formidable defense to play with this year. Patrick Surtain, Ty Law, Jared Allen and new comers Tamba Hali and Bernard Pollard will surely keep this defense highly competitive in the AFC West.

[Al "T.D." Bundy]

Yeah. My guess would be 5 or 6 too. Enough to milk another contract for next year. :D

Prior to last year he only had more than 6 intereceptions once, in 1998 with the Pats when he had 9. After that he had years of 2-2-3-4-6-1.

Last year he did rack up 3 INT's in the last game at Buffalo, but he also had 5 in the first 9 games as well, he was effective in that department all year.

[Al "T.D." Bundy]

lol.....that's true.....the pic of LT breaking his ankles is quite nice...

i think i'll post it on the chiefsplanet message board.....;)

Can you post a link to that thread?

I'd love to see what their reaction is...

[JohnnyD]

LT faked Law out of his jock when Law was with the Jets and he'll do it again with the Chiefs, besides they now have Edwards as coach, the most overrated HC in the NFL, Bye Bye KC.

[SP17BOLT]

Read what Vic of the Jaguars says about the Chiefs signing of Ty Law:


http://www.jaguars.com/story/5294.asp

Jason from Hagerstown, MD: I know you dislike Ty Law because he is too old and had surgery, which you said he would not overcome and then he went out there and made the Pro-Bowl. Can one of the greatest corners prove you wrong once again?

Vic: I was against signing Ty Law because it would've been a stop-gap measure, which it clearly turned out to be for the Jets. He left the Jets with $3 million in “dead money.” No way; not for me, but that's what you're going to get when you sign old, stop-gap players. The Chiefs will be the next team with a “dead money” debt, but their cap is already a mess anyhow so it really doesn't matter. The Jaguars didn't achieve the salary cap health they currently enjoy by taking risks.

cheifs bye bye next year

[WonderSlug]

What the Chiefs will also be saying bye-bye to is their salary cap space in about 18 months. :D

[Chargers!!!]

that would suck if the cheifs got him

[IgorUnchained]

Don't underestimate Law in the passing game. The last thing we need is Rivers to have a Holcomb-like series against Law.


Exactly....it is like saying that Merriman is overrated because he doesnt get many INTs. Tell that to Priest Holmes.
Ty Law isnt signed to a team to make "impact tackles" on a consistant basis. He is signed to increase the veteran leadership and coverage on a club. The guy has been a winner for a very long time and it is great to get guys like that into a lockerroom.

If you dont think he is worth his money, that is another subject and an individual decision to make. My grandfather went to the movies for a nickel and used to buy gas for 10 cents a gallon. My grandpa now lives in 2006 like the rest of us....sorry gramps, here is a Worthers Original, maybe that will keep your mind off of the fact that you are now paying 10 dollars to go to a movie, 3 bucks a gallon for gas, and ex Vikings CB gets picked up by the Jaguars for a six-year, $34 million contract, including a $10 million signing bonus.

Brian Williams gets that cash nowadays!

Now compare the careers and stats of Law and B Williams!

Wake up grandpa.....you are gonna choke on your Worthers Originals!

The money argument is a cop out.....EVERYONE is expensive.

[Tomlinson21]

The money argument is a cop out.....EVERYONE is expensive.
I agree...it's just like the other thread on this forum about Huff's contract. I could care less really but as a fan, you just gotta love the wheelin and dealin of the "business" part of football! You pay, they play!

[JoeMcRugby]

Wake up, grandpa.

You're not paying for past production with NFL contracts - it's all about the future. And the future for 32 year old Ty Law is does not extend very far - certainly nowhere close to the time and money the Chiefs have spent on him.

[YetAnotherSDFan]

Wake up, grandpa.

You're not paying for past production with NFL contracts - it's all about the future. And the future for 32 year old Ty Law is does not extend very far - certainly nowhere close to the time and money the Chiefs have spent on him.

What did we pay for McCardell extension? would it be fair to make that comparisson?

[SP17BOLT]

What did we pay for McCardell extension? would it be fair to make that comparisson?

McCardell deserves it lol :D i think i should have a beer now :Beer:

[JoeMcRugby]

What did we pay for McCardell extension? would it be fair to make that comparisson?

McCardell got a 2 year extension. Very reasonable for a 36 year old player.

The 2 year extension put about $7.5 million in McCardell's pocket.

Compare that with a 5 year $31.5 million deal for the physical CB Law, who has been battling injuries for the past couple of years.

I don't believe that they're comparable in the least. :Bolt:

[SP17BOLT]

McCardell got a 2 year extension. Very reasonable for a 36 year old player.

The 2 year extension put about $7.5 million in McCardell's pocket.

Compare that with a 5 year $31.5 million deal for the physical CB Law, who has been battling injuries for the past couple of years.

I don't believe that they're comparable in the least. :Bolt:

well said :D

[YetAnotherSDFan]

McCardell got a 2 year extension. Very reasonable for a 36 year old player.

The 2 year extension put about $7.5 million in McCardell's pocket.

Compare that with a 5 year $31.5 million deal for the physical CB Law, who has been battling injuries for the past couple of years.

I don't believe that they're comparable in the least. :Bolt:



If you say there is not much future on a 32 year CB,
are we to assume there is no present in a 36 year old WR?
would it be reasonable to assume that just as McCardell has
played to a good level past his 32nd birthday that Ty Law may do the same?

[JoeMcRugby]

If you say there is not much future on a 32 year CB,
are we to assume there is no present in a 36 year old WR?
would it be reasonable to assume that just as McCardell has
played to a good level past his 32nd birthday that Ty Law may do the same?
Nope, not based on the player's injury history and the physical requirements for the positions.

Teams now attack Law whereas they used to shy away. Law also led the NFL in CB penalties - and we Charger fans complain about Jammer.

By all NY media accounts, Law did not meet expectations in 2005 and had visibly slowed down at least a step.

Outside of Darrell Green, CB's are pretty much at the end of the road in their early 30s. It's a young man's "reaction" game at CB where you can't make up for a lost step like WRs can with precise patterns. You lose a step at CB, then all of a sudden you're in the mid-20s in the NFL among CBs in completion percentage of passes thrown at you as Law was at in 2005 (according to KC Joyner's stats at the ESPN Insider website).

IMO Law won't see more than two years of the deal - and I won't be surprised if it turns out to be another one year stay for Law in KC.

[IgorUnchained]

Wake up, grandpa.

You're not paying for past production with NFL contracts - it's all about the future. And the future for 32 year old Ty Law is does not extend very far - certainly nowhere close to the time and money the Chiefs have spent on him.


How do you pay for a guy's future?

Who knows what a guy will do in the future? Were the Browns really picking (and paying for) Winslow Jr because of his future?

Seems to me that they were going off of his past stats and output

Brett Favre is paid a reasonable amount for his future? Or is he paid what a guy with a career like his is paid?

Maybe you should rephrase it to "I think guys should be paid....." or "AJ's philosophy is to pay a guy....." because the way it goes in sports in general (and life in general) is that your resume DOES count for something.
Without any perspective of the past, the future would be even more uncertain than it already is.....and it is already uncertain and not worth trying to predict.

One game at a time......THIS SEASON........

I will worry about the 08 season when it is 08.

[JoeMcRugby]

How do you pay for a guy's future?

Who knows what a guy will do in the future? Were the Browns really picking (and paying for) Winslow Jr because of his future?

Seems to me that they were going off of his past stats and output

Brett Favre is paid a reasonable amount for his future? Or is he paid what a guy with a career like his is paid?

Maybe you should rephrase it to "I think guys should be paid....." or "AJ's philosophy is to pay a guy....." because the way it goes in sports in general (and life in general) is that your resume DOES count for something.
Without any perspective of the past, the future would be even more uncertain than it already is.....and it is already uncertain and not worth trying to predict.

One game at a time......THIS SEASON........

I will worry about the 08 season when it is 08.
Which is why you're not a GM (along with the rest of us).

An "all in" crap shoot every season hasn't led to an NFL title in the cap enforced era - and I don't see it happening in 2006 either.

It has led to the dismantling of franchise rosters, though. :Bolt:

Your question: how do you pay for a guy's future?

You look at his health history and study his performance on game tapes the previous year.

Law has slowed down a step at age 32 and injuries are interfering with his game. He ranked in the mid-20s among CBs in the percentage of passes completed against him.

When studying Law's overall performance in 2005, the progression of injury problems and how CBs perform from age 32 onward, you sure as heck don't lay out a $31.5 million five year deal for him. At least, smart teams like the Patriots (who know Law's on-field play better than anyone) don't do it. :Bolt:

[WonderSlug]

If you say there is not much future on a 32 year CB,
are we to assume there is no present in a 36 year old WR?
would it be reasonable to assume that just as McCardell has
played to a good level past his 32nd birthday that Ty Law may do the same?

Law won't see anything more than the first two years of that contract. By his 3rd year, his cap hit will be such that the Chiefs would be better off letting him go.

That's what the Pats did when he would have been a $12 million cap hit, and what the Jets just did when he would have been a $7.6 million cap hit to a franchise that was $30 million over the cap at one point.

Once that happens, what kind of contract do you think Law will be able to get?

[IgorUnchained]

Which is why you're not a GM (along with the rest of us).

An "all in" crap shoot every season hasn't led to an NFL title in the cap enforced era - and I don't see it happening in 2006 either.

It has led to the dismantling of franchise rosters, though. :Bolt:


The Chargers have more than 5 mil on the books (I know I know....we are going to restructure everyone)

Law is a veteran and they get incentives on their contracts. He has 11 years in the NFL that have all been productive. Is a good 12th year a given? No...no more so that Rivers 1st year starting is a given or Kmacs next season is a given. KMac and Rivers have both shown enough (in the past...nothing in the future yet ;) ) that we see those guys as good players with good potential to put up reliable "starter" numbers.
You would have paid him 2-3 mil a year? he signed for 6 mil a year? Like I said, Brian Williams gets better money than that and he doesnt have the past (or likely the future) of Ty Law.
As for his "lost step that he cant compensate for like Kmac does"... the NeWbS on the NFL Network disagreed months ago when they showcased all ten of his picks and showed how his reaction time iis still top notch.

Yes teams did throw at Law last season and sometimes that ended in penalty...but not as often as it ended in an INT.

Remember when we were arguing about Law last season and your mantra was "he cant even walk....he is in a wheelchair"? Law proved you wrong and made me right last season. I dont expect you to acknowledge that EVER....but at least keep it in the back of your mind when speaking in absolutes this season.
We cant tell the future....you may be right this season, or I could be. But last year you were wrong. History has shown that.

[broncosgc]

any of you guys go to any chiefs message boards....


sheez....these guys are drinking the "best secondary around" koolaid...

it's sickening....i'm on chiefsplanet....bunch of morons....

with Law and Surtain on the outsides and guys like Wesly, Knight, and the Benard "Bone Crusher" Pollard in the middle just wrecking and plain smashing anything not wearing red we might have one helluva secondary...Chiefs...SB winners, is there any doubt

much more where that came from....i've been arguing with them all day...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=144098&page=2&pp=15

[IgorUnchained]

Law won't see anything more than the first two years of that contract. By his 3rd year, his cap hit will be such that the Chiefs would be better off letting him go.

That's what the Pats did when he would have been a $12 million cap hit, and what the Jets just did when he would have been a $7.6 million cap hit to a franchise that was $30 million over the cap at one point.

Once that happens, what kind of contract do you think Law will be able to get?


Is that a bad thing for the Chiefs?

Do you think the Chiefs are expecting Law to play for 5 more years?

Law is on the downside of his career. I think two more productive years is all the Chiefs have before going back to the drawing board anyway. Roaf and Shields....Priest and Green....there will be plenty of new faces and expectations in two years time and will be a great excuse to send Law packing.

What kind of contract will he get when he is 34? Either a D Sanders type contract or a contract at the local Country Club as a golf instructor.
Either way, it wont be the Chiefs problem. Losing guys like I named above will free up alot of cap room and the salary cap will only continue to rise every season.

[IgorUnchained]

any of you guys go to any chiefs message boards....


sheez....these guys are drinking the "best secondary around" koolaid...

it's sickening....i'm on chiefsplanet....bunch of morons....



much more where that came from....i've been arguing with them all day...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=144098&page=2&pp=15

Last year the Bears and Bengals had some of the best secondaries in the league. Who do you see being better (more productive) than Surtain, Law, Wesley, and Knight this season? Jake Plummer, Aaron Brooks, and young Philip with a questionable line.....all twice this season?

For a team that won with offense last year, they are looking alot better on the other side of the ball now!

[broncosgc]

Last year the Bears and Bengals had some of the best secondaries in the league. Who do you see being better (more productive) than Surtain, Law, Wesley, and Knight this season? Jake Plummer, Aaron Brooks, and young Philip with a questionable line.....all twice this season?

For a team that won with offense last year, they are looking alot better on the other side of the ball now!

oh no!....not you too!!!!

is there no place safe for me to go?

[Tomlinson21]

The Chargers have more than 5 mil on the books (I know I know....we are going to restructure everyone)

Law is a veteran and they get incentives on their contracts. He has 11 years in the NFL that have all been productive. Is a good 12th year a given? No...no more so that Rivers 1st year starting is a given or Kmacs next season is a given. KMac and Rivers have both shown enough (in the past...nothing in the future yet ;) ) that we see those guys as good players with good potential to put up reliable "starter" numbers.
You would have paid him 2-3 mil a year? he signed for 6 mil a year? Like I said, Brian Williams gets better money than that and he doesnt have the past (or likely the future) of Ty Law.
As for his "lost step that he cant compensate for like Kmac does"... the NeWbS on the NFL Network disagreed months ago when they showcased all ten of his picks and showed how his reaction time iis still top notch.

Yes teams did throw at Law last season and sometimes that ended in penalty...but not as often as it ended in an INT.

Remember when we were arguing about Law last season and your mantra was "he cant even walk....he is in a wheelchair"? Law proved you wrong and made me right last season. I dont expect you to acknowledge that EVER....but at least keep it in the back of your mind when speaking in absolutes this season.
We cant tell the future....you may be right this season, or I could be. But last year you were wrong. History has shown that.
Ouch...

And history is just as important as the future! Good takes. I don't get the "absolutes" either, Man. It's like my way or the highway sometimes in here...and I understand where you're coming from.

Anyway, back to Ty Law. He has Super Bowl Rings, made the Pro Bowl (was in last years, take note). But then you know people here are going to say: Pro Bowls are over rated, etc...admit it, he's good - and he himself knows he is, otherwise he would not have held out this long.

[SP17BOLT]

any of you guys go to any chiefs message boards....


sheez....these guys are drinking the "best secondary around" koolaid...

it's sickening....i'm on chiefsplanet....bunch of morons....



much more where that came from....i've been arguing with them all day...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=144098&page=2&pp=15

lol they're funny

[SP17BOLT]

oh no!....not you too!!!!

is there no place safe for me to go?

Well your bronco forum :D

[JoeMcRugby]

The Chargers have more than 5 mil on the books (I know I know....we are going to restructure everyone)
No, that's wrong and that's entirely the point.

Unlike the Chiefs, Donks, Redskins, Raiders and all the other franchises that go through the same tap dance every offseason, the Chargers aren't restructuring anyone.

So long as the player is good enough to make the team, the player will make the money that he's contracted to make. The Chargers will not ask him to restructure to get under the cap or cut him.

The Chargers will extend the core players with contracts that they will honor so long as the player's performance on the field warrants

BTW I guess you missed it, but so much for the Chiefs being able to extend the "expendable" starting TE and MLB before they hit unrestricted free agency. But why do they need Gonzalez and the 26 year old Mitchell for 2007? It's 2006 or bust - they'll worry about 2007 when it rolls around. :rolleyes:

Remember when we were arguing about Law last season and your mantra was "he cant even walk....he is in a wheelchair"? Law proved you wrong and made me right last season. I dont expect you to acknowledge that EVER....but at least keep it in the back of your mind when speaking in absolutes this season.

Not according the NY sportswriters who deemed him as a mediocre producer when games counted. NFL leader in penalty yardage that allowed eventual TD drives to continue in several early season games when they mattered for the Jets.

He ranked in the mid-20s in passing completion percentage allowed in 2005. At $8 million, the Jets gladly jettisoned Law before getting tanked again in 2006.

Let Law get his more than half of his INTs against INT machine QBs from the Bills and Raiders while he gets beaten in the other games more than he got beat during his prior 9 seasons combined.

The Pats are desperate for CBs, but they know a foolish deal when they see one - and the Chiefs made a foolish deal IMO.

[broncosgc]

Well your bronco forum :D


yeah i know....just foolin around...

i actually simutaneusly post on this board the chiefs board and the orangemane......


TBO...it isn't "safe" in any of them....:D

[SP17BOLT]

yeah i know....just foolin around...

i actually simutaneusly post on this board the chiefs board and the orangemane......


TBO...it isn't "safe" in any of them....:D

yeah i think i know what you mean, probably machiefs in there talking **** about us right now

[YetAnotherSDFan]

yeah i know....just foolin around...

i actually simutaneusly post on this board the chiefs board and the orangemane......


TBO...it isn't "safe" in any of them....:D

Would you be as excited if DEN would have signed him?

[LarryAW]

How do you pay for a guy's future?

Who knows what a guy will do in the future? Were the Browns really picking (and paying for) Winslow Jr because of his future?

Seems to me that they were going off of his past stats and output

Brett Favre is paid a reasonable amount for his future? Or is he paid what a guy with a career like his is paid?

Maybe you should rephrase it to "I think guys should be paid....." or "AJ's philosophy is to pay a guy....." because the way it goes in sports in general (and life in general) is that your resume DOES count for something.
Without any perspective of the past, the future would be even more uncertain than it already is.....and it is already uncertain and not worth trying to predict.

One game at a time......THIS SEASON........

I will worry about the 08 season when it is 08.

The Browns absolutely paid Winslow, Jr. for expected future performance. Your resume gets you picked or gets you in the door. When giving a player a contract, every GM in every league projects (predicts - some GMs are obviously better than others) what they think a player's future performance will be, based upon many factors, including 1) past performance (resume); 2) age relative to position; 3) whether performance is on the upswing or downswing; 4) current health; 5) past health; 6) games missed due to injury; 7) leadership skills; 8) character issues (a biggie for AJ); and many more factors I can't think of right now.

That's pretty basic business. Nobody knows the future. You make educated guesses, and hopefully you're trained well enough, or you've studied well enough, to make the right choices. No one's correct all of the time. If you invest in a stock, you obviously look at past performance as a criteria in selecting it, but you do predict what you think future performance will be.

I understand your not caring about 2008. That's AJ's (and McQuire's, I think) job. A coach (Marty) cares about the players he has this year and getting us to the Super Bowl this year. AJ has to worry about, and wants to win, this year, next year, and future years. That's why he signed Hardwick to a contract extension. He thinks Hardwick will be a core player for years. I agree. However, signing Hardwick to a contract extension might mean not signing someone else, maybe your favorite player.

Just remember every move AJ makes has future consequences. I want the Chargers to win the Super Bowl this year, but I also want this team to be good every year. It's AJ's job to ensure this team has good players every year. AJ will make his share of mistakes. Mistakes are inevitable, especially in sports.

[MAChiefs]

yeah i think i know what you mean, probably machiefs in there talking **** about us right now

Funny... but no, don't post on Chiefs Planet, don't care for it. Chiefscoalition is the best.

And, why talk about you there when I can talk about you here?

[Shamrock]

From profootballtalk.com - rumormill .....

DETAILS ON LAW DEAL

We've obtained from a league source specific information regarding the first two years of cornerback Ty Law's contract with the Chiefs.

As we suspected, it's no bell ringer.

Law got $4 million to sign, and will be paid a $1 million base salary in 2006. (As a vested veteran, his base salary is fully guaranteed if he's on the Week One roster.)

In 2007, there's a $1 million option bonus due in March, a $3 million base salary, and a $1 million roster bonus.

This leaves a whopping $25 million over the last three years of the deal -- and it's highly unlikely that Law will ever see that money.

For now, then, it's a one-year deal with a team option for year two. And kudos to the Chiefs for pushing the bigger hit in 2007 deeper into the league year. As a result, the Chiefs can choose to pay the $1 million option bonus in March and squat on Law's rights before making a decision in August as to whether he merits the remaining $4 million that he's due to receive in 2007.

The better deal for Ty would have been to require the Chiefs to fish or cut cheese on day one of the league year, via a $4 million roster or option bonus. Then, if the Chiefs had opted not to keep him, Law would have been on the free-agent market early (at which time his agents would have demanded too much money, no one would have been interested, and he would have signed another deal like this one in late July).

Still, it's not as if Law and his agents had much leverage to force the decision day into March. We're told that they made a last-ditch effort to shop the deal in search of something better, but generated no interest.

[Shamrock]

If .... it's a one year deal and KC cuts him before they pay the offseason 2007 bonus, then the Chiefs will have $3.2 million in "dead space" to amortize against their 2007 salary cap.

If they keep him just two years, they will amortize another $800,000 off the initial signing bonus, leaving $2.4 mill + the remaining non-amortized option bonus (which is $750,000) for a total of $3.15 mill in "dead space" against their 2008 salary cap.

If these numbers from pft.com are correct, then Ty Law's cap hits are:

2006: $1.8 million

2007: $5.05 million

Here's how I figure those:

2006 he receives $4 mill signing bonus, which is spread over 5 years. That amortizes to $800,000 per year. $1 mill base in 2006, makes a combined salary cap hit of $1.8 million for this season.

In 2007, he receives an option bonus of $1 million. That is amortized at $250,000 per year over the remaining 4 years of his contract. Roster bonus of $1 mill figures directly into that year's cap (option bonuses can be prorated, roster bonuses are current year cap hits). Plus, his base of $3 mill.

Dollars in Mill - 2007 hit

3.0 base
0.8 proration of signing bonus
1.0 roster bonus
0.25 proration of option bonus
____

$ 5.05 mill cap hit in 2007

Sound right???

[HBBoltGirl]

lmao @ ty law being a chef ...thats perfect.. my ex is a chef fan. lol good luck old man!!

btw for all you chef fans he says now he's a cheifscharger fan.. lol its cool as long as he keeps wearing my old jerseys i left there.. lol

[Satcong_21]

All i know is if we were to sign ty law everyone would be so excited about our secondary but now that one of our rivals have signed him everyone is saying good he is getting old. Strange how your opinion will change if the guy isn't on your team.

Naah...I wouldn't be too excited about Law if he is to sign with the Chargers...5 years ago, yes! Just because we have a a problem with pass defense does not mean we have to blindly handing out millions of dollars for renting-a-vet. If our pass rush getting more fierce with consistency like how we did against Indy, it's all good. And as long as our FS/ SS can hit people coming in the middle, that's all good too!

[Satcong_21]

Funny... but no, don't post on Chiefs Planet, don't care for it. Chiefscoalition is the best.

And, why talk about you there when I can talk about you here?

You Chiefs fans gotta pray that Larry Johnson (AFC west linebackers can hit...*cough* Priest* cough* Merriman...) is healthy all year or else it would be a long cold season....
I doubt Ty Law would be able to carry the ball in the backfield...

[SP17BOLT]

Funny... but no, don't post on Chiefs Planet, don't care for it. Chiefscoalition is the best.

And, why talk about you there when I can talk about you here?


you probably don't have nothing to say on the cheifs plantet, well you can tell us here anything and we'll prove you wrong :D

[IgorUnchained]

The Browns absolutely paid Winslow, Jr. for expected future performance. Your resume gets you picked or gets you in the door. When giving a player a contract, every GM in every league projects (predicts - some GMs are obviously better than others) what they think a player's future performance will be, based upon many factors, including 1) past performance (resume); 2) age relative to position; 3) whether performance is on the upswing or downswing; 4) current health; 5) past health; 6) games missed due to injury; 7) leadership skills; 8) character issues (a biggie for AJ); and many more factors I can't think of right now.

That's pretty basic business. Nobody knows the future. You make educated guesses, and hopefully you're trained well enough, or you've studied well enough, to make the right choices. No one's correct all of the time. If you invest in a stock, you obviously look at past performance as a criteria in selecting it, but you do predict what you think future performance will be.

I understand your not caring about 2008. That's AJ's (and McQuire's, I think) job. A coach (Marty) cares about the players he has this year and getting us to the Super Bowl this year. AJ has to worry about, and wants to win, this year, next year, and future years. That's why he signed Hardwick to a contract extension. He thinks Hardwick will be a core player for years. I agree. However, signing Hardwick to a contract extension might mean not signing someone else, maybe your favorite player.

Just remember every move AJ makes has future consequences. I want the Chargers to win the Super Bowl this year, but I also want this team to be good every year. It's AJ's job to ensure this team has good players every year. AJ will make his share of mistakes. Mistakes are inevitable, especially in sports.


90% of what you are talking about IS the past. You are paying for their past with hopes they will continue that in the future. Of course you are going to look at their injury history and their ability to lead a team. They will cover their butts and see if there were any character issues and all of that.

All of that that happened in the past.

The future is nothing more than an educated guess made by factoring in "past" issues.

[LarryAW]

90% of what you are talking about IS the past. You are paying for their past with hopes they will continue that in the future. Of course you are going to look at their injury history and their ability to lead a team. They will cover their butts and see if there were any character issues and all of that.

All of that that happened in the past.

The future is nothing more than an educated guess made by factoring in "past" issues.

We're probably saying the same thing different ways. It's fruitless to argue.

[HBBoltGirl]

hey why don't you let the stats speak for themselves...

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/NYJ Ty Law

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/SD Quentin Jammer

we just don't need the guy.. and check out kc's depth chart.. think they are worried about something?.. lol

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/KC

[Shamrock]

If .... it's a one year deal and KC cuts him before they pay the offseason 2007 bonus, then the Chiefs will have $3.2 million in "dead space" to amortize against their 2007 salary cap.

If they keep him just two years, they will amortize another $800,000 off the initial signing bonus, leaving $2.4 mill + the remaining non-amortized option bonus (which is $750,000) for a total of $3.15 mill in "dead space" against their 2008 salary cap.

If these numbers from pft.com are correct, then Ty Law's cap hits are:

2006: $1.8 million

2007: $5.05 million

Here's how I figure those:

2006 he receives $4 mill signing bonus, which is spread over 5 years. That amortizes to $800,000 per year. $1 mill base in 2006, makes a combined salary cap hit of $1.8 million for this season.

In 2007, he receives an option bonus of $1 million. That is amortized at $250,000 per year over the remaining 4 years of his contract. Roster bonus of $1 mill figures directly into that year's cap (option bonuses can be prorated, roster bonuses are current year cap hits). Plus, his base of $3 mill.

Dollars in Mill - 2007 hit

3.0 base
0.8 proration of signing bonus
1.0 roster bonus
0.25 proration of option bonus
____

$ 5.05 mill cap hit in 2007

Sound right???
Some changes should be made .....

Chiefs | More on Law's deal
Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:59:10 -0700

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Kansas City Chiefs offered CB Ty Law an average of $6 million per year over five years. He signed the deal that included $8 million in guaranteed money. Law received a $4 million signing bonus, $1 million in base salary for the 2006 season, and $3 million worth of guarantees that are written into the years 2007 and 2008. Even if the Chiefs release Law after this season, they still will owe him another $3 million in guarantees.

That was from KFFL. So I guess I'll need to refigure those numbers. Not sure how the prorations are though.

Basically, if Law is released after this season, it would be a $6.2 mill "dead space" cap hit on their 2007 salary cap, based on the above $3.2 mill calculation PLUS the $3 mill extra guaranteed - as noted in the KFFL blurb.

Without knowing the specifics on the bonuses, I can't say how much of the $3 mill will be incorporated into Law's 2007 cap hit if he's kept on the team for that season. Once those details are out, I could make some assumptions on his 2008 dead space hit if released after the 2007 season.

It's much pricier than first thought.

[JoeMcRugby]

hey why don't you let the stats speak for themselves...

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/NYJ Ty Law

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/SD Quentin Jammer

we just don't need the guy.. and check out kc's depth chart.. think they are worried about something?.. lol

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/KC
Don't see passes defensed in those stats.

Jammer defended as many passes as Law in 2006 - and Jammer is 6 years younger and a hell of a lot better tackler.

Jammer will be around for another half-decade and can be locked up for the next half decade by the Chargers due to their cap room. Law will be around for another year or two in all likelihood - and while they avoided him in prior years. Here's a surprise: the NFL leader in penalty yardage given up by CBs in 2005 was Law, not Jammer. ;)

Actually, it's not a surprise for those who watched Law in 2005. He racked up the majority of his INTs against poor teams late in the season after the only thing the Jets were competing for was the first pick in the draft.

$31.5 million for a 32 year old CB whose major focus is on one last paycheck?

Ridiculous. Even the Pats didn't fall for it. :Bolt:

[MAChiefs]

Some changes should be made .....



That was from KFFL. So I guess I'll need to refigure those numbers. Not sure how the prorations are though.

Basically, if Law is released after this season, it would be a $6.2 mill "dead space" cap hit on their 2007 salary cap, based on the above $3.2 mill calculation PLUS the $3 mill extra guaranteed - as noted in the KFFL blurb.

Without knowing the specifics on the bonuses, I can't say how much of the $3 mill will be incorporated into Law's 2007 cap hit if he's kept on the team for that season. Once those details are out, I could make some assumptions on his 2008 dead space hit if released after the 2007 season.

It's much pricier than first thought.

Posted in another thread, but seems to be logical that the Chiefs use $1.8mm in 2006 ($4mm / 5 years = .8mm + $1mm in salary). In 2007, the Chiefs convert the roster bonus into an option/signing bonus over the remainder of the 4 years = .75mm per year, plus the .8 signing bonus and $3 million in salary for a total of $4.55mm. This assumes that the second $3mm is included entirely in 2007. After that, the Chiefs have the remainder of the 2 bonuses or approximately $4.65 in dead money if they elect to release him.

Overall, will cost the Chiefs about $5.5 million per year (spread out over cap years) for 2 years. Far from his asking price of $9 per year, and about a $1 million more per year than what the Patriots were supposedly offering.

[Shamrock]

Posted in another thread, but seems to be logical that the Chiefs use $1.8mm in 2006 ($4mm / 5 years = .8mm + $1mm in salary). In 2007, the Chiefs convert the roster bonus into an option/signing bonus over the remainder of the 4 years = .75mm per year, plus the .8 signing bonus and $3 million in salary for a total of $4.55mm. This assumes that the second $3mm is included entirely in 2007. After that, the Chiefs have the remainder of the 2 bonuses or approximately $4.65 mill in dead money if they elect to release him.

Overall, will cost the Chiefs about $5.5 million per year (spread out over cap years) for 2 years. Far from his asking price of $9 per year, and about a $1 million more per year than what the Patriots were supposedly offering.
I can't disagree with that, because I don't know the structure of the $3 mill that is guaranteed in 2007 and 2008 (as per Adam Schefter).

I wouldn't assume that the entire $3 mill can or is included in base salary (or treated as base: ie roster bonus) for 2007.

So, under the best scenario, you believe that a two year rental of Ty Law sticks the Chiefs with $4.65 mill in dead space against the 2008 cap. That amount is equivalent to extending at least two young players that you would like to keep.

As I've said before, Herm Edwards ran the NYJ's into the ground by keeping and buying overpriced vets. It didn't get the Jets a Lombardi, and it left them in a total overhaul rebuilding mode. KC's window of opportunity is damn near closed. If y'all don't get to the SB this season, then take a look at the current mess of the Meadowlands #2 tenant - because that will be you in 2007 or 2008.

[MAChiefs]

I can't disagree with that, because I don't know the structure of the $3 mill that is guaranteed in 2007 and 2008 (as per Adam Schefter).

I wouldn't assume that the entire $3 mill can or is included in base salary (or treated as base: ie roster bonus) for 2007.

So, under the best scenario, you believe that a two year rental of Ty Law sticks the Chiefs with $4.65 mill in dead space against the 2008 cap. That amount is equivalent to extending at least two young players that you would like to keep.

As I've said before, Herm Edwards ran the NYJ's into the ground by keeping and buying overpriced vets. It didn't get the Jets a Lombardi, and it left them in a total overhaul rebuilding mode. KC's window of opportunity is damn near closed. If y'all don't get to the SB this season, then take a look at the current mess of the Meadowlands #2 tenant - because that will be you in 2007 or 2008.

Not an Edwards defender, but you have the NY Jets situation reversed. Edwards inherited a team from Parcels that was highly leveraged to win now including a huge contract for Testeverde and others that gave them huge cap problems. The current cap problems are a combination of Parcels and Donohue; Edwards wasn’t the GM, so not sure why he is getting blamed for the front office issues, and he isn’t the GM with the Chiefs. Also, Carl Peterson isn’t a spend thrift, not sure why he is portrayed as such on this forum.

In regards to Law’s contract. Having Law play for $1.8 million in 2006 and $4.5 million in 2007 hardly seems like overspending to me when Warfield would have cost the Chiefs more. Also, the $4.65 million cap hit in 2008 only assumes that the Chiefs cut Law, which isn’t a certainty. To me, it was a very fair deal for both parties, and it won’t impact the extensions of Gonzalez and Mitchell. Gonzalez will retire a Chief.

[Shamrock]

Not an Edwards defender, but you have the NY Jets situation reversed. Edwards inherited a team from Parcels that was highly leveraged to win now including a huge contract for Testeverde and others that gave them huge cap problems. The current cap problems are a combination of Parcels and Donohue; Edwards wasn’t the GM, so not sure why he is getting blamed for the front office issues, and he isn’t the GM with the Chiefs. Also, Carl Peterson isn’t a spend thrift, not sure why he is portrayed as such on this forum.
If H. Edwards was in NYJ only a year or two, then I could understand laying the blame for his final season on the previous coaching regime. However, he coached the Jets for five seasons (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/EdwaHe0.htm) and in that time, a large chunk of the roster turned over (as does every team). The "win now" inheritance would have applied to the 2001 or 2002 season, but it has NOTHING to do with the 2006 collapse.

IMO, the "win now" inheritance is very much alive and well with the team Edwards has inherited from Vermeil. To top it off, KC just added a CB that mortgages their salary cap credit card for at least 2007 and 2008.

Every GM and scout recruits to fit the scheme of the coaching staff. The entire coaching staff gets involved in the evaluation of both FA decisions and draft selections. You can't lay all the blame squarely on Tom Donahoe for the influx of limited talent into the Jets roster.

Many pundits questioned the Jets for signing an average arm strength QB to a large contract extension. That occured in 2004 (http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYJ/7636843) while Parcells was coaching the Cowboys. Curtis Martin's big contract (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50813F83E5B0C738FDDA10894DA4044 82&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fM%2f Martin%2c%20Curtis) (which is justified) came during Edward's regime. The Jets also had numerous overpriced OL, high cap figures for Abraham, and IMO an ill-fated signing of the aforementioned Ty Law.

Coaches, to include our own Marty Schottenheimer, have input on player acquisitions. From my seat, it looked like Herm Edwards had as much or more control over player personnel as Tom Donahoe.




In regards to Law’s contract. Having Law play for $1.8 million in 2006 and $4.5 million in 2007 hardly seems like overspending to me when Warfield would have cost the Chiefs more. Also, the $4.65 million cap hit in 2008 only assumes that the Chiefs cut Law, which isn’t a certainty. To me, it was a very fair deal for both parties, and it won’t impact the extensions of Gonzalez and Mitchell. Gonzalez will retire a Chief.


Having Law play for $1.8 mill in '06 is reasonable IF there wasn't a dead space cap charge coming due in 2008 (or 2007 if released after this year).

I do think $4.5 mill as a cap charge in 2007 is overspending for Law - again - especially considering the extra monies due him regardless whether he plays. Keeping him any longer than 2007 is doubtful considering his age and position. But, I wouldn't mind seeing y'all do that, as it will mean two games of big plays vs him, two games of penalties vs him, and two games of LT making Law wonder where his jock is.

I have no doubts that Gonzo will retire a Chief, and that he'll be another big drain on your cap in the coming seasons. You better hope he stays productive.

KC is built to win this year. I don't think they have enough talent to do it, and they are facing a looming cap hell in either '07 (or more likely) '08. Just like the Jets faced this past season, but the process is accelerated in BBQville because of the age (and cap numbers) of a large portion of your players.

All I hope for is that KC stays just competitive enough to slap the frickin' RayTurds around at least once a year. You'll be battling them for the cellar of the AFC West from '07 and beyond.

[MAChiefs]

Shamrock,

You are putting way to much of the blame on Edwards for the problems created by Parcels and Donahoe.

First, cap problems are not fixed in 1 year. The contracts signed and signing bonus given by Parcels greatly affected the cap in 2001 and 2002. During those years with dead money or unfriendly cap contracts, NY had to field a team and to stay under the cap, and was forced to back load the contracts. This has a domino affect and eventually creates huge problems for teams as each year compounds the problem. Also, the average arm-strength QB had good success leading his team to the playoffs and signed the contract prior to injury. It was only after the injury when everyone started worrying about his arm strength. I am not defending the Jets, certainly not Donahoe, but your criticism of Edwards in this is laughable. Neither Marty nor Edwards (other than some influence as to the players fit or ability) controls the front office, they certainly have no control over the structure of the contracts, signing bonuses, etc.

“Having Law play for $1.8 mill in '06 is reasonable IF there wasn't a dead space cap charge coming due in 2008”

Reasonable? What a joke, 95% of the starting CBs in the NFL make more than 1.8 million and you think it is “reasonable” to get a player of Law’s caliber for that amount with no other cost? You shouldn’t post cap numbers if you don’t have an understanding of player values.

And the Law versus Tomlinson joke is understandable on a Charger board coming off a bad season with little else to be proud of. Funny that LJ ran through 3 of the SD’s secondary on way to a receiving touchdown last year, yet I don’t see continual posts of pictures and video of the play in every thread on the Chiefs board, maybe because it was one play. But hey, keep living that play, it was impressive.

As far as built to win this year, it’s been said about the Chiefs since 2002, but hey, why change your story now? I mean that opinion has been wrong for 3 years in a row, but eventually the players will retire and someone will surely say “I told you so”, even if the Chiefs continue winning.

Good luck with the 6-10 or 7-9 season.

[Shamrock]

Shamrock,

You are putting way to much of the blame on Edwards for the problems created by Parcels and Donahoe.

First, cap problems are not fixed in 1 year. The contracts signed and signing bonus given by Parcels greatly affected the cap in 2001 and 2002. During those years with dead money or unfriendly cap contracts, NY had to field a team and to stay under the cap, and was forced to back load the contracts. This has a domino affect and eventually creates huge problems for teams as each year compounds the problem. Also, the average arm-strength QB had good success leading his team to the playoffs and signed the contract prior to injury. It was only after the injury when everyone started worrying about his arm strength. I am not defending the Jets, certainly not Donahoe, but your criticism of Edwards in this is laughable. Neither Marty nor Edwards (other than some influence as to the players fit or ability) controls the front office, they certainly have no control over the structure of the contracts, signing bonuses, etc.


I think you've sniffed too much BBQ sauce.


Your logic is twisted. How the hell can Parcells be blamed for the Jets giving Pennington a huge contract two seasons after he left? That was probably the single dumbest contract decision of the Jets regime, even with the Ty Law blunder last year. But, I suppose Parcells is to blame for Herm Edwards signing Law last year. Maybe since the Chiefs were originally the Dallas Texans, we can also shift some blame onto the current Cowboys coach for Herm now signing Edwards in KC.

Domino effects on future caps is a reasonable argument, if you're only talking about a season or two. We're talking FIVE years in the case of Herm Edwards tenure with the Jets. If there was a problem, then the only LOGICAL conclusion is that Edwards exacerbated the circumstance of a tenuous cap structure and did NOTHING to fix it.

Maybe you're too blind to see that he is doing the EXACT same thing to the Squaws salary cap.


“Having Law play for $1.8 mill in '06 is reasonable IF there wasn't a dead space cap charge coming due in 2008”

Reasonable? What a joke, 95% of the starting CBs in the NFL make more than 1.8 million and you think it is “reasonable” to get a player of Law’s caliber for that amount with no other cost? You shouldn’t post cap numbers if you don’t have an understanding of player values.


I only defer to Joe McRug's on contract analysis. Some Squaw fan with no history discussing cap ramifications on Chargers boards isn't going to change my mind. If that sounds pompous - too bad.

Teams (especially ones who are up against the cap, or need cap room) typically structure a first year deal that has a low hit on that year's cap. For that, you get a star in analysis. However, a team that would GUARANTEE future bonuses that automatically create a known dead space hit are IDIOTIC. Those bonuses should be EARNED if he remained on the roster, not guaranteed. KC's salary cap structure is and will be thrown out of whack because you are committing too much to aging players. Again, go look at where the Jets currently are, because that is the Squaws VERY soon.

You, like the other ball watchers, overvalue Law's "caliber" while dismissing his limitations. He is not a good man to man corner, but rather has had the bulk of his picks in Cover-2 schemes. He led the league in penalties last season. He gave up big plays. But, you can focus on picking off horrible Buffalo QB's for half his padded stats while he was cherry picking in a dismal season led by your vaunted coach, Herm Edwards.



As far as built to win this year, it’s been said about the Chiefs since 2002, but hey, why change your story now?

Your cap, and commitments to players that are over the hill or on the edge of being past their prime is why KC must win this year. Too bad you're only the third best team in your own division.

Have fun in cap hell.

[JoeMcRugby]

Good luck with the 6-10 or 7-9 season.
:D

Thanks for the gut busting laugh, MAC. That's the funniest thing I've read in weeks!!

:Cheers:

BTW Where the heck is this Donahoe and Parcells stuff coming from?

Donahoe was GM with the Steelers and the Bills. To the best of my knowledge, Parcells has been a coach with neither of those franchises. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Donahoe

[MAChiefs]

1) How the hell can Parcells be blamed for the Jets giving Pennington a huge contract two seasons after he left?

2) Domino effects on future caps is a reasonable argument, if you're only talking about a season or two. We're talking FIVE years in the case of Herm Edwards tenure with the Jets. If there was a problem, then the only LOGICAL conclusion is that Edwards exacerbated the circumstance of a tenuous cap structure and did NOTHING to fix it.

3) Maybe you're too blind to see that he is doing the EXACT same thing to the Squaws salary cap.

4) Teams (especially ones who are up against the cap, or need cap room) typically structure a first year deal that has a low hit on that year's cap. For that, you get a star in analysis. However, a team that would GUARANTEE future bonuses that automatically create a known dead space hit are IDIOTIC. Those bonuses should be EARNED if he remained on the roster, not guaranteed. KC's salary cap structure is and will be thrown out of whack because you are committing too much to aging players.

5) You, like the other ball watchers, overvalue Law's "caliber" while dismissing his limitations. He is not a good man to man corner, but rather has had the bulk of his picks in Cover-2 schemes.


1) I never blamed Parcels for signing Pennington. And, it is far from the “stupidest” contract ever. Pennington led the Jets to the playoffs in 2002, missed a few months in 2003 due to a broken wrist in the preseason and still led the team to a 6-10 record after Testeverde went 0-4. After he signs the new contract, he takes the Jets to a 10-6 record, playoff appearance, and beats the Chargers in the playoffs. Hard for me to buy that it was a terrible contract, unless of course you are Nostradamus and knew he would injure his throwing shoulder. If you want to look at really bad contracts, why not look at the David Boston contract, talk about bad.

2) What part of “Edwards was not the GM” do you not comprehend? For that matter, what part of contracts and the salary cap do you not comprehend? If you have salary cap problems, those problems compound as you continue to sign new and extend current players. The cap hit for dead money (depending on the release date) could be structured over 1 or 2 years. So that means that the Jets had dead money from contracts signed by Parcels into 2003, probably 2004 because signing bonuses could be prorated over 7 years and the players didn’t all leave with Parcels. During 2001, 2002 and 2003, the front office had 2 playoff teams. You expect the Jets front office to avoid signing any new players and allow existing players to leave to clean up Parcels mess rather than signing new deals that have cap ramifications for 2004, 2005 and 2006? Teams play to win, especially playoff teams. Bradway was as much to blame as Parcels, but if you can’t grasp this simple concept on how teams deal with the cap, then it isn’t worth further discussion.

3) Edwards isn’t the GM for the Chiefs, Carl Peterson is, so this yet another uninformed comment.

4) “star in the analysis” – What is that supposed to mean? This whole paragraph makes no sense. If a team front-loads a contract with a small salary by paying a signing bonus, that bonus was paid and has future cap ramifications depending on the number of years applied to the signing bonus. This is a “guaranteed” cap hit each year of the contract unless the player is cut, at which time it is accelerated in that year. If you are implying the Chiefs can magically sign players to minimum salaries with non-guaranteed future roster bonuses, wake-up, no team can do that or everyone would and there would be no cap problems.

5) Now Law has limitations? Better yet, can’t play man to man coverage? Considered one of the best CBs the last decade, but he can’t plan man-coverage? Whatever, this and the rest of your arguments really provides a compelling case to ignore any of your future posts.

[MAChiefs]

:D

Thanks for the gut busting laugh, MAC. That's the funniest thing I've read in weeks!!

:Cheers:

BTW Where the heck is this Donahoe and Parcells stuff coming from?

Donahoe was GM with the Steelers and the Bills. To the best of my knowledge, Parcells has been a coach with neither of those franchises. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Donahoe

Sorry, it's Terry Bradway, not Tom Donahoe.

Also, glad you can laugh at the upcoming 7-9 season and stay so positive, that's the spirit.

[JoeMcRugby]

Sorry, it's Terry Bradway, not Tom Donahoe.

Also, glad you can laugh at the upcoming 7-9 season and stay so positive, that's the spirit.

:D

11-5 for the Bolts - at a minimum.

Rebuilding time for the Chiefs in 2007.

Couldn't be more pleased with the offseason! :Cheers:

[MAChiefs]

:D

11-5 for the Bolts - at a minimum.

Rebuilding time for the Chiefs in 2007.

Couldn't be more pleased with the offseason! :Cheers:

Chargers have a good team, but I am a little suspect of Rivers and their secondary. I really think they will be closer to 9-7 with the schedule. The funny thing is there really isn't a big difference between 9-7 and 11-5 in today's NFL, so I can see the optimism.:Beer:

[JCDavey]

Chargers have a good team, but I am a little suspect of Rivers and their secondary. I really think they will be closer to 9-7 with the schedule. The funny thing is there really isn't a big difference between 9-7 and 11-5 in today's NFL, so I can see the optimism.:Beer:as shown by last season, there wasn't even a big difference between 9-7 and 13-3 , just 4 blown leads

[SP17BOLT]

[quote=MAChiefs]Chargers have a good team.


Well thank you

[BradenG]

First off, i made a comment saying everyone would be excited if we were of the sign ty law and people went crazy saying no way look how old he is. Maybe some of you guys wouldnt like it but heres my pitch, we have money to spend, i wouldnt sign him to a multi year like the chiefs but id sign him considering he can catch a ball when most of our other corners drop it. I just am saying i think people in san diego would be pretty excited about that signing, just like they were when we signed david boston