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POOpooMAGOO

11-21-2005, 05:54 PM

What do you guys think about charles rogers becoming a CHARGER?? Chris Mortenson just reported that this is most likely his last year as a Lion. I think he would be a great fit for the Chargers. he has the ability to stretch defenses and he has great hands. i remember people were comparing him to randy moss when he was coming out.

Alibell1

11-21-2005, 05:59 PM

How many games has he played in the last three years? Unless there is something special in the water in San Diego I don't see the guy staying healthy.

DEboltsfan

11-21-2005, 06:03 PM

I think our recieving corps loolked rather solid yesterday. Any offseason aquisition should be directed towards you the secondary. Rogers is a good player (when he is on the field) but I can't see where he would fit into our scheme.

POOpooMAGOO

11-21-2005, 06:08 PM

well reche and osgood are in their final year of there contracts and KMac isnt getting any younger even though hes playing at a very high level. we have yet to see what Jackson can do and that would leave us with Parker who i think is an under-rated receiver. So those are my main reasons i would like to see him come to the chargers (if the price is right).

JCDavey

11-21-2005, 06:16 PM

yeah our wrs are fine, i'd say get nate clements despite how ugly we made him look yesterday, the guy is a stud and a playmaker

and also some oline help

this team is so close to greatness it's scary

JoeMcRugby

11-21-2005, 06:17 PM

One positive drug test from a one-year suspension? :rolleyes:

Podium

11-21-2005, 06:23 PM

Yeah, this was his actually his second offense to a degree. Rogers was put into the program because of a "deluded" (sp?) urine sample at the combine.

mikeavo22

11-21-2005, 06:42 PM

I'd rather see us pick a WR in the draft than take Charles Rogers. As good as he may potentially be, hes had too many injuries which is a greater risk than picking from the draft.

ftwbolt

11-21-2005, 07:29 PM

Despite the difficulties hanging over his head, former No. 1 pick looks solid with four receptions.

Monday, November 21, 2005

http://www.detnews.com/2005/lions/0511/21/D09-388755.htm

By Mike O'Hara / The Detroit News

IRVING, Texas -- Charles Rogers thinks he has made a statement with his hands and legs that has nothing to do with his finances with the Detroit Lions.

Rogers thinks he has won back his job as the starting split end after catching four passes for 41 yards in Sunday's 20-7 loss to the Dallas Cowboys.

It was the most productive game of a difficult season for Rogers.

"I think I won my job back," he said. "I came out there and did what I needed to."

A more pressing issue for Rogers is an attempt by the Lions' front office to recover approximately $10 million of the $14 million signing bonus Rogers received when the Lions drafted him in the first round in 2003 and signed him to a seven-year contract.

The Lions have filed a grievance to recover a portion of the signing bonus, claiming Rogers violated provisions in his contract for a four-game suspension this season for violating the NFL's substance-abuse policy.

Rogers was suspended after the third game. He was reinstated by the NFL after four games. The Lions left him off the active roster for another week.

Lions president Matt Millen was not available for comment, and coach Steve Mariucci said he does not comment on matters involving player contracts.

But Lions vice president Bill Keenist made a brief statement in the locker room after the game.

"We'll confirm that the grievance is filed," Keenist said. "More than that, we have no comment."

Rogers did not want to speak about specifics involving the grievance.

"That's what my agent, that's what my lawyers are for," he said. "It is what it is. The situation will resolve itself. It's going to be hard to get $10 million."

Rogers was more forthcoming about his performance. He was moved from flanker to split end this season and started the first three games. He had only five catches. He caught one pass for 4 yards last week in a victory over Arizona.

He did not start against Arizona or Dallas and did not enter Sunday's game until the second quarter. Scottie Vines and Roy Williams were the starting receivers.

"This is football, man, the game I love," Rogers said. "I'm in it for my teammates."

Mariucci praised his performance.

"I think he played well today," Mariucci said. "He's practicing better. That's why he's out there today."

Baggage and injury's, He already has two strikes against him.

guimcharger

11-21-2005, 07:40 PM

I heard he was kind of a locker room cancer. Isn't he in the substance abuse program too? I think we are set at WR for awhile. We got VJ, Parker, and Osgood. K Mac for one more year. Caldwell will probably be gone next year but we still have Floyd and Martin for next year. I think if we sign any WR this offseason it will probably be Javon Walker.

Go_Terrance

11-21-2005, 07:44 PM

Terrance Kiel is my dads friends uncle!!! My dad got to meet Terrance.

Bobo

11-21-2005, 07:46 PM

Baggage and injury's, He already has two strikes against him. That sums it up perfectly why Rogers will never be a Charger. :Helmet:

POOpooMAGOO

11-21-2005, 07:49 PM

so if the price was right and he had something in his contract like castillo sayin that he'll payback all his bonus if he gets suspened, you still wouldnt take a chance on rogers?

Shamrock

11-21-2005, 07:52 PM

What do you guys think about charles rogers becoming a CHARGER?? I think he would be a great fit for the Chargers.
Why do some of you guys think druggies and cancers are good for our team?

Amazing.

ftwbolt

11-21-2005, 07:54 PM

Bobo

11-21-2005, 08:05 PM

so if the price was right and he had something in his contract like castillo sayin that he'll payback all his bonus if he gets suspened, you still wouldnt take a chance on rogers?Castillo hadn't been drafted yet & Rogers has injuries & a suspension against him. However, if he were willing to do what Luis did by offering to payback all his bonus & play for us at the right price, then he should be given a chance to show what he can do. I just don't see it happening, though. :Helmet:

JoeMcRugby

11-21-2005, 08:08 PM

so if the price was right and he had something in his contract like castillo sayin that he'll payback all his bonus if he gets suspened, you still wouldnt take a chance on rogers?

You got that one right!!

Not a snowball's chance in hell of it happening!! ;)

Shamrock

11-21-2005, 08:10 PM

Please explain why any of you would want a guy who is one bong hit away from a year suspension?

Again. Fricking amazing......

foober

11-21-2005, 08:13 PM

besides the drug problem he's incredibly injury prone. My guess the only reason he's even in the nfl is for the free medical coverage.

Bobo

11-21-2005, 08:21 PM

The Bolts also drafted VJ & aren't about to give up on him this soon. We also don't need another David Boston mistake. :Helmet:

Shamrock

11-21-2005, 08:23 PM

besides the drug problem he's incredibly injury prone. My guess the only reason he's even in the nfl is for the free medical coverage.
Maybe the Lions can take a Lake cruise, hit on a few bartendresses, and raise Rogers street cred even higher ......

guimcharger

11-21-2005, 08:32 PM

Floyd is on the PS, Martin is not. But I really hope they take alook at him again next year if he hasn't already signed with another team.

Yeah I know that. I was saying they are going to be there to compete to make the team next year.

sanluischargerfan

11-21-2005, 08:44 PM

sdchargers

11-21-2005, 10:05 PM

We have very solid WR's and don't forget about a guy named Gates.

Boltjolt

11-21-2005, 10:07 PM

ftwbolt

11-22-2005, 06:36 PM

November 22, 2005
BY NICHOLAS J. COTSONIKA

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051122/SPORTS01/511220349/1049

The NFL Players Association says receiver Charles Rogers shouldn't have to return $10.184 million to the Lions.

The union has denied a grievance against Rogers, saying the collective bargaining agreement doesn't allow a player to be disciplined twice for the same offense. The agreement between the league and the union supersedes a player's contract, the players association contends.

For the Lions to recoup part of the signing bonus they are seeking from Rogers, they will have to win in arbitration -- a process that could take several months. Teams have won similar cases. The Miami Dolphins' case against running back Ricky Williams is one recent example.

Union general counsel Richard Berthelsen said Monday that the union denied the grievance last week. He declined to discuss Rogers' case further. But he did discuss the union's position on such cases in general terms.

NFL sources said Sunday that the league filed a grievance on the Lions' behalf last week, seeking $10.184 million of the $14.4-million bonus Rogers received after he signed a seven-year contract in 2003. Rogers was drafted second overall out of MSU that year.

Booth Newspapers reported Monday that the deal included a clause that said if Rogers were suspended for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy, he would have to pay back his bonus prorated for the rest of the contract. Booth said it possessed a copy of the contract.

Rogers was suspended Oct. 5 for four games for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

Berthelsen pointed to a section of Article II in the collective bargaining agreement, which says: "The provisions of this agreement supercede any conflicting provisions in the NFL player contract."

Then Berthelsen pointed to a section in Article XI, which says: "The commissioner and a club will not discipline a player for the same act or conduct. The commissioner's disciplinary action will preclude or supercede disciplinary action by any club for the same act or conduct."

When a team tries to recoup signing bonus money from a player because of a league suspension, the union thinks it amounts to "double jeopardy," Berthelsen said. "The commissioner and the club cannot punish a player for the same alleged offense." He said the arbitration process usually takes "a year or so."

Berthelsen declined to comment on why the clause was in Rogers' contract if it wasn't valid. But when contracts are executed, they are approved by the league only, not the union.

Lions executive vice president Tom Lewand declined to comment. Rogers' agent, Kevin Poston, did not respond to two phone messages the Free Press left at his office, but he spoke to the Associated Press.

"We're going to handle this professionally, not through the media," Poston told the AP.

"We disagree with their position, but I'm not disappointed in them because they have the prerogative to do this."

Why did the Lions act against Rogers now, with Rogers playing for them in the middle of the season? Because if they wanted to act against Rogers, they had to do it now.

A section in Article IX of the collective bargaining agreement says: "A grievance must be initiated within forty-five (45) days from the date of the occurrence or non-occurrence upon which the grievance is based."

SD Chargers Fan

11-22-2005, 06:42 PM

our WR core is doing really well rite now.
But what we really need our attention pointed to rite now is most definatley the secondary.

Confuzed Azn

11-22-2005, 06:46 PM

I think he's more on Philly's radar since they got cap next year and need a WR. A cancer for another. It's about the lesser of two evils.

GdoubleE

11-22-2005, 08:13 PM

Yeah, this was his actually his second offense to a degree. Rogers was put into the program because of a "deluded" (sp?) urine sample at the combine.

So he poked some smot??? I guess that makes himn a horrible person and a cancer too? Either way I dont want him anyway. Jackson will be good and there is another draft or two before keenan hangs it up.

Parker burnt Clements on Sunday and people here are cryin about Jammer giving up a TD to Santana Moss!!!!

You want him now but once he gets burnt people will wanna make him a safety and sign a shutdown croner hahhah

Podium

11-22-2005, 08:16 PM

So he poked some smot???

Who said he smoked pot? The urine sample was given at the NFL combine, so it was probably him being on some sort of banned performance enhancer. Trying to get a faster 40 time and make sure his stock didn't drop.

LA Boltman

11-22-2005, 09:52 PM

:Bolt: What do you guys think about charles rogers becoming a CHARGER?? Chris Mortenson just reported that this is most likely his last year as a Lion. I think he would be a great fit for the Chargers. he has the ability to stretch defenses and he has great hands. i remember people were comparing him to randy moss when he was coming out.

I don't get some people!! I keep seeing threads from people asking if T.O. will be a Charger...now Charles Rogers??? Are you kidding me?

Have you met A.J. Smith? If you knew anything about him, you wouldn't have to ask this.

Hey, here's an idea, why don't we buy all the current Charger players bongs too.

SHEESH!!!

bolt dude

11-22-2005, 10:02 PM

The only WR I see possibly coming to the Bolts next year is Reggie Wayne. believe he could be a #1 guy on the Chargers. This would allow Mccardel to be a #2 possesion type receiver next year and Parker/VJ/Caldwell at #3.

mtxsound

11-22-2005, 10:24 PM

Theres a huge difference between Rogers and Castillo. Castillo is on the random testing list, but he has not tested positive since the combines. He also was very forthcoming with his mistake, and is well on his way to making people forget about that. Rogers tested positive recently, again if im not mistaken. He doesnt need to come out to SD, unless it is to lose a football game with another team.

I think we will address our issues at WR with some second and third round draft picks. I think our first rounders will be some good DB's.

sdchargers

11-22-2005, 10:52 PM

My brother is a Lions fan and he said they want to trade him or sign him for less money. He bought a C.Rogers jersey when he was a rookie and man is he sorry he bought that thing.

SDFaiderHater

09-01-2006, 02:10 PM

i know he has had some issues, but maybe a change of scenery would do him some good?

HotCorner06

09-01-2006, 02:17 PM

If he was cut, I wouldn't mind taking a look at him. He has the talent to play in the NFL, he just needs an attitude check.

mdsd77

09-01-2006, 02:30 PM

wont block...bad for the team spirit....1 year 2 million, maybe

GATESY!!!85!!!

09-01-2006, 02:36 PM

Come on. If the guy can't make the Lions he shouldn't be on our team

HeadTrip

09-01-2006, 02:54 PM

He really is a phenominal talent, but he would have to get his act together in a big way to have a shot at making our team.

BURLEY

09-01-2006, 03:09 PM

:Bolt: It would take AJ interviewing the kid several times before he would even consider to bring in someone like him. AJ's prided himself on building a "character team":Helmet: ...and I like it...

Tomlinson21

09-01-2006, 03:15 PM

We tried the Rashaun Woods experiment...what makes you think we'll take this loser.

BTW, Floyd and Camarillo are way better than him and are gonna duke it out for that last spot in the WR Corp.

HeadTrip

09-01-2006, 03:36 PM

We tried the Rashaun Woods experiment...what makes you think we'll take this loser.

BTW, Floyd and Camarillo are way better than him and are gonna duke it out for that last spot in the WR Corp.

Neither Floyd nor Camarillo (both of whom I like) are even in the ball park of Rogers as far as talent goes. The problem is his rep as a poor team mate/locker room guy. If, through some miracle, he developes into the model citizen, we would be foolish not to sign him up.

Not that that is going to happen.

Tomlinson21

09-01-2006, 04:19 PM

Neither Floyd nor Camarillo (both of whom I like) are even in the ball park of Rogers as far as talent goes. The problem is his rep as a poor team mate/locker room guy. If, through some miracle, he developes into the model citizen, we would be foolish not to sign him up.

Not that that is going to happen.
Sometimes better talent isn't always everything when making a team.

LT4MVP#21

09-01-2006, 06:29 PM

id take him in a heartbeat!

Chargeroo

09-01-2006, 07:24 PM

id take him in a heartbeat! He got his millions when he signed and since then Rogers has done nothing in his three years in the NFL. 36 catches for 440 yards. - That's not even a good one year total. All I can say is I'm glad you aren't our GM, we'd be in cap hell with a bunch of minor league talent.

BradenG

09-01-2006, 09:34 PM

He got his millions when he signed and since then Rogers has done nothing in his three years in the NFL. 36 catches for 440 yards. - That's not even a good one year total. All I can say is I'm glad you aren't our GM, we'd be in cap hell with a bunch of minor league talent.

Haha im pretty sure he broke his collarbone...twice. But oh well if you want to say he is a poor player i won't get into an arguement. All i know is when this kid was in Michigan State he was a STUD! Number 2 overall. Rookie Preseason and season opener, looked like a STUD. Then got injured and hasn't had the same opertunity since.

SDFaiderHater

09-01-2006, 11:47 PM

Chargeroo

09-02-2006, 09:28 AM

I must admit that I forgot that he broke it a second time. I was wrong to put him down, in that case.

Perhaps they should take a look at him if he's cut, but didn't he also have some character issues? If he did, AJ won't be interested in him.

FanSince1979

09-02-2006, 10:13 AM

JoeMcRugby

09-02-2006, 10:42 AM

Rogers was hot his rookie year, and it is really strange that he faded. I remember watching him his rookie year; He looked to me like he was going to be a great WR in the NFL.

Only his team-mates and the coaching staff know what happened with him: work-ethic? Character issues? Injuries haven't healed well? There must be a reason they cut him, but it wouldn't hurt for AJ to look into it.

And don't forget: he's already served a four-game suspension for being a three time offender of the NFL substance abuse policy. He's one toke away from a one-year suspension.

FanSince1979

09-02-2006, 10:56 AM

And don't forget: he's already served a four-game suspension for being a three time offender of the NFL substance abuse policy. He's one toke away from a one-year suspension.Didn't know that. AJ won't be meeting with him then.

JoeMcRugby

09-02-2006, 11:01 AM

NFL Suspends Rogers for Violation of Substance Abuse Policy
October 5, 2005

ALLEN PARK, Mich. -- The NFL announced today that Lions wide receiver Charles Rogers has been suspended without pay for the next four regular season games for violating the league’s substance abuse policy. Rogers will begin serving his suspension immediately.

Rogers released a formal statement this afternoon regarding the suspension: “Most importantly, I want to apologize to my family, my teammates, my coaches, to this organization, the fans and my friends. I will make no excuses for what I did, and I accept full responsibility for my actions. I let down a lot of people, mainly myself.

“I have no choice but to look forward, learn from my mistakes and do everything in my power not to repeat those mistakes. I am still part of this team and this community because Michigan is my home. I am still young and have a lot of football ahead of me.

“I will guarantee you this: when I return, I fully expect to be the player on the field and the person off the field that everyone expected me to be when I was drafted.”
Rogers is eligible to return to the Lions’ active roster on Monday, October 31 following the team’s October 30 game against the Chicago Bears.

The next game Rogers will be eligible to play in will be November 6 at the Minnesota Vikings.

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=436403

DIMEBOLT

09-02-2006, 11:24 AM

charles might fit:Bolt:

HeadTrip

09-02-2006, 11:25 AM

Sometimes better talent isn't always everything when making a team.

I get the feeling you guys don't even read what I write anymore. :mad:

JoeMcRugby

09-02-2006, 11:26 AM

charles might fit:Bolt:

Not a chance.

Poor practice player, bad locker room guy, non-performer on the field and already a three time offender of the NFL substance abuse policy.

JCDavey

09-02-2006, 11:29 AM

charles might fit:Bolt:it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could turn his life around, but he is a guy who's violated the substance abuse policy , and he's injury prone, not a good mix , but who knows, IMO the chargers are probably going to feel they are set at wr for now

i wouldn't doubt rogers gets picked up somewhere though, maybe New Orleans takes a chance on him, maybe oakland.

Chargeroo

09-02-2006, 11:53 AM

And don't forget: he's already served a four-game suspension for being a three time offender of the NFL substance abuse policy. He's one toke away from a one-year suspension.Damn Joe, you remember everything!

Here's what NFL.com said - First-year coach Rod Marinelli was unimpressed by Rogers' work ethic and production during training camp, when he was slowed by a sore knee. The new staff also did not have a history with Rogers like team president Matt Millen, who drafted the former Michigan State star and gave him a $14.2 million signing bonus.

sdchargersfan21

09-02-2006, 03:59 PM

We should sign this guy what do you all think? he has potiential

JoeMcRugby

09-02-2006, 03:59 PM

Check out this thread. No chance he ever becomes a Charger.

RMANCIL

09-03-2006, 06:58 AM

Another case where a young man allowed the money and bright lights to kill his career. Coming out of college he looked great. From all reports he no longer has any fire in his belly.

boltsyicon21

09-03-2006, 03:28 PM

i think that the drastic change from being drafted in the first round by the Lions to getting cut and not being able to make the 53-man roster could prove to be a reality check to a young Rogers who is still looking for his place in the NFL. i like our guys we have right now but we could use all the help we can get if we aim for bigger and better things during the season and the playoffs

LT4MVP#21

09-03-2006, 05:55 PM

well maybe marty can turn this kid into a responsible man that respects fellow teammates and other players and coaches

LABoltsFan

09-03-2006, 08:50 PM

well maybe marty can turn this kid into a responsible man that respects fellow teammates and other players and coaches

i've thought of the possibility of rogers...

but the drug offenses and lack of work ethic do scare me.

the biggest problem is this...

if we take a chance on this guy and fail, we get 3892792384768927 threads talking crap about how bad a decision it was.

he is a very long shot, and i'd take the gamble, but i am not AJ. and i dont have to deal with the press and the rest of the b.s. that comes with him if he flops (which by history, is very likely)

TheIceCreamMan

09-03-2006, 10:24 PM

i love Rodgers talent.. but his attitude sux.. so iono.. hit or miss and soo far a miss lol

BIGOmeGA91

09-05-2006, 11:13 PM

i think Rogers is faster than any reciever we have no offense. all our recievers we got are possession recievers not speedy. so he might do alright for us if he gets an attitude check.

StevenSD

09-06-2006, 08:22 AM

Look out for Vincent Jackson...I swear why do you think he's a possession receiver? His fast enough to be a downfield threat.

jadeyknoxville

09-06-2006, 08:33 AM

Look out for Vincent Jackson...I swear why do you think he's a possession receiver? His fast enough to be a downfield threat.

and don't forget malcolm floyd. that TD catch in the niners game looked too easy. it looked like he was being defended by midgets.:D

StevenSD

09-06-2006, 09:49 AM

Oh I know, he just jumped up there and snatched that ball out of the air, it was a beut.

JoeMcRugby

09-06-2006, 12:54 PM

i think Rogers is faster than any reciever we have no offense. all our recievers we got are possession recievers not speedy. so he might do alright for us if he gets an attitude check.

Charles Rogers didn't run the 40 at the combine. At Michigan State, he ran the 40 yard dash in a hand-timed 4.43.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/rogers_charles

Vincent Jackson ran the 40 at the combine. VJ ran an electronically timed 4.46 under the same exact conditions as all other combine participants.

Since you can add at least a tenth of a second to hand-timed runs (since they are inevitably that much faster than when electronically timed), I can see where you feel the smaller and 4.5ish Charles Rogers is a deep threat and the bigger and faster Vincent Jackson is not.

SDFaiderHater

09-06-2006, 04:04 PM

Charles Rogers didn't run the 40 at the combine. At Michigan State, he ran the 40 yard dash in a hand-timed 4.43.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/rogers_charles

Vincent Jackson ran the 40 at the combine. VJ ran an electronically timed 4.46 under the same exact conditions as all other combine participants.

Since you can add at least a tenth of a second to hand-timed runs (since they are inevitably that much faster than when electronically timed), I can see where you feel the smaller and 4.5ish Charles Rogers is a deep threat and the bigger and faster Vincent Jackson is not.

hahaha good one joe...im hopin VJ comes out and has a monster year.

Born2Bolt

09-16-2006, 07:46 PM

I'm not so sure he'd fit with the Bolts. He's a homey here in Saginaw, MI and folks are not sure what to make of it all. He is a talent, but I agree a change of scenery could really help. I'm just hoping the Broncs don't get interested. He could land with the Ra-duhs. Schweigert and Charles are good friends and played opposite each other in HS here.

Born2Bolt

09-16-2006, 07:50 PM

I posted on another thread that I'm not so sure he'd fit with the Bolts. He's a homey here in Saginaw, MI and folks are not sure what to make of it all. He is a talent, but I agree a change of scenery could really help. I'm just hoping the Broncs don't get interested. He could land with the Ra-duhs. Schweigert and Charles are good friends and played opposite each other in HS here.

Farmer808

09-18-2006, 10:12 PM

Charles falling off the LOS in the preseason was hilarious.

Jmasta911

09-19-2006, 04:45 PM

Jmasta911

09-19-2006, 04:47 PM

4 MORE and BTW i gotta say Charles falling off the LOS in the preseason was VERY hilarious hahahahahaha