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Blue Bolt
11-26-2006, 06:15 PM
An Erratic Manning Puts the Giants on Blue Alert
By JOHN BRANCH
New York Times - November 26, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/sports/football/26giants.html?_r=1&8dpc&oref=slogin

Selecting a quarterback with a high draft pick comes with more risks than rewards. History shows that such decisions lead to more false hopes than realized dreams, and, ultimately, to more coaches fired than Super Bowls attained.

So it should come as little surprise that Giants quarterback Eli Manning is struggling deep into his third season, raising the question that the Giants hoped — beyond reason, perhaps — had gone away.

What if?

What if Manning is merely another decent quarterback? What if the ability that he has shown so far is all the Giants will get, for however many years they put their faith in him?

Those are the unavoidable uncertainties as Manning and the Giants are losing the game against their own expectations.

“That’s just part of the deal,” Manning said. “If you’re the first pick, you’re expected to play at a high level. That’s what I’ve got to do. I’ve got to play at a high level, because that’s how this team is going to succeed.”

The Giants (6-4) prepared to play the Tennessee Titans (3-7) in Nashville today with Manning coming off his worst back-to-back performances since the first four starts of his career two years ago. His completion rate, a source of frustration for the Giants in 2005, was 65.3 percent in the first five games this season but 49.4 percent in the past five. Only one quarterback has thrown more intercepted passes.

Manning’s imperfections are dismissed when the Giants win, as they were five times in a row recently. But his struggles are highlighted when they lose, as they have done since, to the Chicago Bears and the Jacksonville Jaguars. And even when the attention shifts, as it did last week when running back Tiki Barber criticized the play calling against Jacksonville, and when Coach Tom Coughlin chastised Barber for taking his complaints to the news media, Manning cannot avoid the fallout.

Barber criticized the 12-rush to 42-pass ratio against the Jaguars. Like Coughlin, he believes that running the ball is the key to winning. It would also ease the pressure on Manning, whose performances are increasingly tied to the Giants’ championship prospects — the reason they drafted him in the first place.

“What we have to do is get the improvement, get Eli back on track,” Coughlin said.

And if the Giants do not, or if Manning simply returns to being the better-than-decent quarterback he was earlier in the season (a highly drafted quarterback’s third season is a strong indicator of how he will play the rest of his career), then the ramifications could be felt for years.

Manning’s play could affect several decisions the Giants will face: whether to extend Coughlin’s contract beyond the 2007 season; whether Coughlin shuffles any assistant coaches this off-season, particularly the offensive coordinator, John Hufnagel, and the quarterbacks coach, Kevin Gilbride; whether the replacement for General Manager Ernie Accorsi, who is retiring, is one of his disciples inside the organization or someone from outside; and whether the Giants pursue another quarterback next off-season, maybe a veteran to push Manning, if not replace him.

It is not a popular topic with the Giants, mostly because they believe the recent criticism of Manning is unwarranted.

Accorsi said Friday that he would not enter any debates about Manning or discussions about the future. Instead, he was quick to point out Manning’s 17-10 record as a starter the past two seasons (including a playoff loss) and the current standings.

A victory over the Titans would keep the Giants tied for the National Football Conference East lead with the Dallas Cowboys (7-4), who play at Giants Stadium next Sunday.

“I think he’s going to be an outstanding quarterback in this league,” Accorsi said.

If he is wrong, Accorsi will simply be the latest one who guessed incorrectly.

Of the 10 quarterbacks chosen in the top 10 in the six drafts before Manning was selected first in 2004, only one, Donovan McNabb, has been to a Super Bowl. Three are out of football.

And many head coaches and general managers have been fired by the teams that thought that spending a high pick on a franchise quarterback bought them stability.

Titans Coach Jeff Fisher found success (and a Super Bowl appearance) with Steve McNair, chosen third over all in 1995. He is trying to duplicate it with Vince Young, chosen third last April.

“It’s an imperfect science,” Fisher said, estimating the success rate at 66 percent. That may be an optimistic assessment.

The Giants acquired Manning in a monumental draft-day trade with the San Diego Chargers in 2004. The Chargers chose Manning with the first overall pick despite the insistence of his father, Archie, the former N.F.L. quarterback, that he would not play for the Chargers.

The Giants chose quarterback Philip Rivers with the fourth pick. The teams swapped quarterbacks, with the Giants tossing in other draft picks.

“This is a once-in-a-decade player,” Accorsi said on draft day, when his bold move was widely hailed. “This is a quarterback you wait for for a long time.”

Accorsi’s certainty is one reason that Manning might be analyzed more than most. Manning’s famous last name certainly raised the expectation level, too.

Add in the scrutiny of playing in New York, the Mannings’ public denunciation of the Chargers, the strong play of Rivers, the players chosen with the extra draft choices and the Super Bowl championship by the Pittsburgh Steelers and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (chosen No. 11 in 2004 and considered an alternative draft option by the Giants), and there is little room for error for Manning in New York’s court of opinion.

“You can’t worry about that,” Manning said of the pressure of being the first pick. “That was three years ago. Now it’s a matter of, you’re the starting quarterback of the team, you’re expected to play well.”

He added: “I expect that out of myself. So it’s not surprising that the fans and the media expect the same thing.”

In 2005, the Giants were 11-5 and made the playoffs, in large part because of Manning’s moxie late in tight games. Statistically, he was below a middle-of-the-pack passer, throwing a lot of touchdown passes but an unusually high number of interceptions and incompletions. His performances dipped late in the season, and he had his worst game in a 23-0 playoff loss at home to the Carolina Panthers.

But Manning squelched the doubts with a strong start in 2006. He held his own against his brother Peyton in a close loss to the Indianapolis Colts. He was nearly perfect in leading the Giants from a 17-point deficit to an overtime win against the Philadelphia Eagles, a game in which he threw for a career-high 371 yards.

His play has been checkered since, with the trend noticeably downward. The Giants averaged more than 27 points in their first six games, but about 15 points in their past four. Manning has thrown more interceptions (6) than touchdowns (5) in the past five games.

Had Manning played the entire season the way he has played the past few games, he might have been benched by now, and his future with the Giants would be debated even more — inside and outside the organization.

“We are putting all of our focus on getting Eli back on what we call on track or back on pace,” Coughlin said. “And to be honest with you, we are very, very hard on him from the media standpoint, and this may be a good, solid learning and growing experience for him.”

Coughlin has tended to spread the blame to all the players, pointing out nine dropped passes by receivers in the 26-10 loss to Jacksonville on Monday night, but he defends Manning’s mistakes less often than he used to.

Teammates believe that Manning is affected by the injuries to receiver Amani Toomer, his most trusted big-play receiver, and left tackle Luke Petitgout, which forces Barber to spend more time blocking. Barber was tied for the team lead in receptions through nine games but had one catch against the Jaguars.

“I don’t think we’ve lost our confidence in him, because we know he’s a good player,” Barber said of Manning during his weekly satellite radio show. “We just have to make sure that he focuses on those little things and give him a chance by not making it all be on his back.”

Manning has carried that burden since the day the Giants so aggressively pursued him. That was a different, simpler time — a time when Manning was viewed not as a risk, but as a reward.

Spank
11-26-2006, 06:22 PM
Who knows really? I think this is it for him.

He doesnt seem to care. He shows no emotion. Thank God he doesnt play here.

56lightsout56
11-26-2006, 08:10 PM
haha I didnt realize that:

and the quarterbacks coach, Kevin Gilbride

KG is 0-2 (Leaf and Manning). Ironic and hilarious

SP17BOLT
11-26-2006, 08:32 PM
I actually feel bad for sheli. :rolleyes:

Tjchargerfan
11-26-2006, 08:35 PM
Eli: Uh, Dad? Why didn't you want me to play in San Diego?

:21:

Chargerizer
11-26-2006, 08:42 PM
Eli: Uh, Dad? Why didn't you want me to play in San Diego?

:21:

Dad: Son, I didn't want you to screw up a good team.

rammerjammer
11-26-2006, 08:45 PM
It must suck to be a grown man but still listen to your parents for all of your major life decisions. It must be even worse to realize that your parents led you astray, and that you aren't capable of doing well on your own.

jubei
11-26-2006, 09:50 PM
Dad: Son, I didn't want you to screw up a good team.
Dad: Son, SD is a small market and LT already owns the whole market there...therefore you will get no recognition there and not make me look like a god.

Eli blew it today as well...gotta love it!

chargertom
11-26-2006, 10:16 PM
If the Giants don't make the playoffs ... the NY fans will tar and feather Eli.

And I would laugh. Alot. Seriously.

There is nothing bad that can happen to Eli, that would make me feel sorry for him. He deserves anything and everything coming to him.

Choking off the game to the Titans. Bet Daddy is proud of that one. :Beer:

Maxima_Bolt
11-26-2006, 10:45 PM
haha I didnt realize that:



KG is 0-2 (Leaf and Manning). Ironic and hilarious
You serious!!!!????

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to blow another one Elisha!

MyChargers
11-26-2006, 10:55 PM
Kevin Gilbride is Elisha Manning's quarterback coach!?

They deserve each other.

Boltsfan
11-27-2006, 08:26 AM
Sheli is a ***!!!

Him and his dad must have thought he was the second coming of John Elway...

I hate to rub it to the Giants but I can never like anybody who disses the draft system...

benjamink15
11-27-2006, 08:29 AM
Yes, this is as good as he gets ...

Satcong_21
11-27-2006, 11:10 AM
Sheli is a ***!!!

Him and his dad must have thought he was the second coming of John Elway...

I hate to rub it to the Giants but I can never like anybody who disses the draft system...

You took the words right out of my mouth, buddy! I never really hate the guy before he came out and said "Don't draft me, i ain't gonna play for ya..."
Shoot if it was PR who refused to play for a team that drafted him...I would not like him very much too...NFL, wake up and change some rules...

joerockt
11-27-2006, 03:18 PM
Eli has always been over-hyped. I remember in interview with Peyton where he said he thought that Eli was a much better player then him...lol...

The Chief
11-27-2006, 03:45 PM
Eli is getting excactly what he deserves!

TrabucoWR
11-27-2006, 08:08 PM
If it was Joe Montana telling Joe Jr. not to play for the Chargers, circa Spring 2004, I would respect that.
Archie: NFL Nobody.

Thunderstruck21
11-27-2006, 08:17 PM
You serious!!!!????

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to blow another one Elisha!

kevin gilbride finally did some good!

SkubaSteve
11-27-2006, 09:39 PM
Dad: Son, I didn't want you to screw up a good team.

LOL!!

so true.

BORNINSD1964
11-28-2006, 01:01 AM
I actually feel bad for sheli. :rolleyes:

I actually feel bad for Gilbride. The poor guy has to be asking himself

"Not another losing sissy. WHY ME LORD?!!!!!

I wonder what he did to deserve two of them?:rolleyes:

diegojc
11-28-2006, 01:45 AM
“This is a once-in-a-decade player,” Accorsi said on draft day, when his bold move was widely hailed. “This is a quarterback you wait for for a long time.”

I think we can all agree that Manning will never be that!

What Kool Aid did Accorsi drink????

Totally Bolted
11-28-2006, 07:15 AM
I like what Sanders said on NFLNET. "Eli is not in a funk. He's in a coma."
What a great laugh. We all should send accorsi a thank you Christmas card. His trade just keeps on giving and giving and giving...

SDChiropractor
11-28-2006, 01:33 PM
Wow!!!! What Al Smith did in retrospect in chucking Eli Manning to Giants:


Look at has panned out for Eli Manning

Then Rivers Merriman and Nate Kaeding

What a boon for the Chargers!!!!

Boltsfan
11-28-2006, 07:34 PM
The best draft day deal, ever!!!

Tjchargerfan
11-29-2006, 09:46 PM
Father knows best son, look at my carreer, I will make sure you have one just like mine

boltfanwa
11-29-2006, 10:30 PM
My buddies and I all thought Manning was overrated from the beginning. When he said he wouldn't play for the Chargers we got a litle angry. Now we are laughing our butts off as we watch the three losses in a row and everything else going on in NY. Manning has no intensity. Look at how Rivers is after a play, good or bad. He wants to win, he expects to win and will do whatever that takes, Even after he makes a mistake, he bounces right back. Thank god that Eli and his father were such whiners. We should all send them a big thank you card.

Pot Roast
11-30-2006, 06:21 AM
lets look at a past trade very similar to this: (And hope history repeats itself)

The Vikings traded away their future for Hershel Walker: basically loading up the cowboys with draft picks for a couple years (If memory serves right)

The cowboys went on to win a few superbowls... a couple back to back... lets say this happens again: if SD wins this and next year: you can basically also say bye bye to the Colts winning a SB... which really really rocks my world. SD dynasty, all the mannings lose.. "doesnt get any better than that!"

atlamit
11-30-2006, 10:13 AM
31 NFL teams have a QB > Elisha Manning
1 NFL team has a QB = Elisha Manning

Bolthead21
11-30-2006, 10:58 AM
My buddies and I all thought Manning was overrated from the beginning. When he said he wouldn't play for the Chargers we got a litle angry. Now we are laughing our butts off as we watch the three losses in a row and everything else going on in NY. Manning has no intensity. Look at how Rivers is after a play, good or bad. He wants to win, he expects to win and will do whatever that takes, Even after he makes a mistake, he bounces right back. Thank god that Eli and his father were such whiners. We should all send them a big thank you card.

For sure
I'll drink to that:Beer:

ChargersPhan
11-30-2006, 03:55 PM
He has peaked(not saying much). Im gonna enjoy watching him fall apart.

usnidc
12-01-2006, 06:25 AM
31 NFL teams have a QB > Elisha Manning
1 NFL team has a QB = Elisha Manning

Actually, Eli *might* be better than Aaron Brooks...

MOCHARGERFAN
12-01-2006, 07:55 AM
:Bolt: Who knows really? I think this is it for him.

He doesnt seem to care. He shows no emotion. Thank God he doesnt play here.

Amen to that! GO BOLTS!!! :Bolt:

jubei
12-01-2006, 05:41 PM
it's funny this girl at my work wore an Eli Manning jersey today (sports friday) and I wore my LT throwback jersey and we were jawing about the giants at SD game last year. She was there and she was embarassed and afraid. She told me she had to zip up when she left for fear of being booed and ridiculed. however she is only a fan cuz her significant other is a Giant fan. She agreed with me that PR is a much better QB and that we raped the Giants '04 draft. She is AWESOME! Cute girl who likes to watch and play football. And she agrees Eli is a spineless, gutless, lifeless puss of a QB and Philip is a much better QB and leader. I almost kissed her when I heard her say all that!

ChargersPhan
12-01-2006, 05:56 PM
Giants fans are(and should be) in panic mode.

HumBolt Fan
12-02-2006, 10:47 PM
Actually, Eli *might* be better than Aaron Brooks...
and Andrew Walter...lol!

Rivers_owns
12-03-2006, 12:25 AM
Actually, Eli *might* be better than Aaron Brooks...

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...... Na, Brooks is better.

sarcilla
12-03-2006, 04:14 PM
I live in NYC now and NYC has kinda lost hope in the Giants. San Diego Charger fans are coming out of the woodworks out here, too, It's a great thing to see. :-)

Chargeroo
12-03-2006, 04:39 PM
I'm watching the Giants vs. Cowboys now and Eli is looking real sharp so far. On the other hand, I just saw T.O. drop an important pass that was right in his hands. They said it was his tenth drop this year!

Tjchargerfan
12-03-2006, 09:10 PM
Eli wanted to play for a great team, and he has and he is dragging them down, now the Cowboys have taken over first place in the NFC East, more than Eli the Giants GM should be worried about his job.

Dream match-up in the Super Bowl, Eli vs. Phillip, there is more chance of a Drew vs. Phillip match-up.

:21: "SUPERMAN!! Out of state visitor who came to San Diego with powers and bilities far beyond those of mortal men":21:

atlamit
12-03-2006, 10:45 PM
I like what Sanders said on NFLNET. "Eli is not in a funk. He's in a coma."
What a great laugh. We all should send accorsi a thank you Christmas card. His trade just keeps on giving and giving and giving...


Great idea!! Accorsi is retiring after 2006 and from what i can tell, going out trying to convince anyone who listens that he got the best qb in the '04 draft.

It would be great for Bolts fans to collectively send a 'thank you' card for his excellent judgement! Perhaps it could be done electronically - if not an actual card. Something like a website perhaps?

Worst case, someone make a damn sign for him to see when the Bolts are at the Superbowl in February!

6thSun
12-04-2006, 12:10 PM
Somebody needs to find out a mailing adress.
It would be cool to have the media find out about a couple of thoulsand
thank you cards postmarked in San Diego.

Tjchargerfan
12-17-2006, 11:02 PM
Now there's an idea:LightsOut:

chargertom
12-17-2006, 11:22 PM
You can send your cards and letters to:

Ernie Accorsi
c/o New York Football Giants
Giants Stadium
East Rutherford, NJ 07073
(201) 935-8111

Thanks Ernie!

chargershark
12-18-2006, 08:20 AM
Yes. Next question?