The lost season: 2005

[NWBoltFan]

The finger is primarily pointed at AJ for "denying" Antonio Gates the ability to play in our season opener in SD. Had we won that game, there was a reasonably good chance we'd also have gone to the playoffs as a wildcard.

I've never understood this theory, when closer examination of that season plants ALOT of the blame squarely on our recently exited coach.

FOUR losses at home!

One of which was vs. Miami. A team that was somewhat on the rise, but playing 3k miles across the U.S. A team that also had acquired one Cleo Lemon 2 weeks prior. A team who inexpicably knew ALL our offensive playcalls.

Unbelievably, Marty did not alter or change the playbook in ANYWAY- in part- it is theorized, because of his dismay and dissatisfaction with AJ over trading Lemon without letting his knowledge.

While I can see Marty's point, I simply can't see where Marty justifies NOT changing anything- seemingly out of spite.

Good riddance. On to a functional football team. Cheers.

[spysnipedis]

The Lost Season: 2001

I cannot believe it the Chargers won 5 games

ELEVEN total losses!

Good riddance. On to a functional football team. Cheers

[fireknuckles]

You seriously started a thread for the 2005 season? WT.Frank?

[RAWDOGG]

WHO F in cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NWBoltFan]

The Lost Season: 2001

I cannot believe it the Chargers won 5 games

ELEVEN total losses!

Good riddance. On to a functional football team. Cheers
Hardly comparable seasons.

[NWBoltFan]

WHO F in cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dean Spanos. AJ Smith. A large contingent of Charger fans.

[spysnipedis]

no same thing, every year the team is suppose to make playoffs and win the superbowl right?

[supercharged21]

I blame the 1982 loss to the begals on the cold!!:LightsOut:

[RAWDOGG]

Dean Spanos. AJ Smith. A large contingent of Charger fans.

WHY??

I am sure they are REALLY worried about 2 seasons ago :rolleyes:

[fireknuckles]

I blame the loss in the Superbowl to Jerry Rice and Steve Young.

[spysnipedis]

I believe we've just turned the thread into a joke

sry guys

[RAWDOGG]

ANother completely stupid thread about past events, coaches, players

Who else can come up with "theories"

[NWBoltFan]

no same thing, every year the team is suppose to make playoffs and win the superbowl right?
No, but the '05 team and '06 teams were virtually identical.

[NWBoltFan]

WHY??

I am sure they are REALLY worried about 2 seasons ago :rolleyes:
Because it contributed to the dsyfunction. A prime example.

[RAWDOGG]

Because it contributed to the dsyfunction. A prime example.

What dysfunction?

[NWBoltFan]

I blame the loss in the Superbowl to Jerry Rice and Steve Young.
I'd blame it on a '9rs FO that circumvented the rules of free agency, in essence bringing about the changes in the rules, and enforcement of the cap.

SF bought their title that year. They were clearly a better team, but it was an instance when buying a championship came to fruition.

[RAWDOGG]

No, but the '05 team and '06 teams were virtually identical.

Except Merriman started, Rivers started, etc.... and oh yea all the young players had another year of valuable experience

[NWBoltFan]

What dysfunction?
You not to bright are you- or perhaps illiterate. The dsyfunction mentioned by Dean as he dismissed Marty.

[fireknuckles]

No, but the '05 team and '06 teams were virtually identical.
Yes identical, except for a whole new QB, FS, OLB, and a whole year of Shawne Merriman. Also most importantly, even if the teams were exactly the same the schedules were not!!

[thtsltfrmsd]

This has to be the worst thread ever. No wait, second worst, behind the one posted by the guy who said he saw the chargers logo "somewhere on the internet" but his girlfriend closed the window and he can't find it now.

[RAWDOGG]

You not to bright are you- or perhaps illiterate. The dsyfunction mentioned by Dean as he dismissed Marty.

I am illiterate?? :rolleyes:

they dismissed Marty in 06 (actually 07) becuase of the loss to the DOlphins in 05?

[NWBoltFan]

Except Merriman started, Rivers started, etc.... and oh yea all the young players had another year of valuable experience
Merriman started in '05 too. In fact, he may have had similar playing time. Rivers vs. Brees was certainly different. If you'd presume to play better with a first year starter... okay. But it did happen.

[fireknuckles]

Because it contributed to the dsyfunction. A prime example.
Link???? .

[RAWDOGG]

Merriman started in '05 too. In fact, he may have had similar playing time. Rivers vs. Brees was certainly different. If you'd presume to play better with a first year starter... okay. But it did happen.

Half way through the season........

compile your facts before you put up meaningless threads without supported facts

[NWBoltFan]

Yes identical, except for a whole new QB, FS, OLB, and a whole year of Shawne Merriman. Also most importantly, even if the teams were exactly the same the schedules were not!!
The losses keeping us from the playoffs were at home. Did schedule matter that much there?

[RAWDOGG]

Link???? .

there you go..........EXACTLY :Cheers:

[NWBoltFan]

Link???? .
Sorry, if your'e a new fan, you'll have to dig yourself. If you can't remember that far back, you could probably search this forum.

[RAWDOGG]

Sorry, if your'e a new fan, you'll have to dig yourself. If you can't remember that far back, you could probably search this forum.

For an 05 thread??

Practice what you teach brother :LightsOut: and don't live in the past

[NWBoltFan]

Half way through the season........

compile your facts before you put up meaningless threads without supported facts
He played in 15 games in '05 with 57 tackles. He played in 12 games in '06 with 62 tackles. Similar numbers.

[RAWDOGG]

He played in 15 games in '05 with 57 tackles. He played in 12 games in '06 with 62 tackles. Similar numbers.

How many games did he start?

[fireknuckles]

The losses keeping us from the playoffs were at home. Did schedule matter that much there?
Yes because different teams were scheduled to play against us.

next!

[NWBoltFan]

YOu'll need to follow EACH post. Yes, it contributed to it.

[NWBoltFan]

How many games did he start?
HOw many PLAYS was he in on?

[fireknuckles]

Sorry, if your'e a new fan, you'll have to dig yourself. If you can't remember that far back, you could probably search this forum.

LOL I started in this forum same month and year you did get your facts straight. I'm just asking for a link cause I don't agree with what you said and I can't find anything to back up your claim.

[RAWDOGG]

HOw many PLAYS was he in on?

ok :rolleyes: .........I wish you luck

[NWBoltFan]

Yes because different teams were scheduled to play against us.

next!
That year, we lost to Dallas, Denver, Pittsburgh, and Miami. In '06 we beat both Pittsburgh and Denver at home. By my calcuation that makes us 11-5 and IN the playoffs.

NEXT.

[fireknuckles]

That year, we lost to Dallas, Denver, Pittsburgh, and Miami. In '06 we beat both Pittsburgh and Denver at home. By my calcuation that makes us 11-5 and IN the playoffs.

NEXT.

LOL We played against Denver with their starting rookie QB and our QB was not injured early in the game. LT had an MVP year. Do you see differences?

Rothlessberger (Sp?) was coming off a motorcycle accident and an apendectemy (sp? again) plus they had no Bus.

You can't be serious about this... can you? This isn't Madden it's the NFL son!

[NWBoltFan]

LOL We played against Denver with their starting rookie QB and our QB was not injured early in the game. LT had an MVP year. Do you see differences?

Rothlessberger (Sp?) was coming off a motorcycle accident and an apendectemy (sp? again) plus they had no Bus.

You can't be serious about this... can you? This isn't Madden it's the NFL son!
I can see differences. You're missing the point.

[fireknuckles]

I can see differences. You're missing the point.
Nope, you're comparing apples to oranges so you have no point.

[RAWDOGG]

Nope, you're comparing apples to oranges so you have no point.

More like apples to watermelons

[NWBoltFan]

Nope, you're comparing apples to oranges so you have no point.
I compared our '05 team and our '06 team. If you think they're drastically different, it's your prerogative. I will agree that our '01 team was drastically different- as an earlier poster wanted to compare those seasons.

You're here to do nothing but antagonize.

[NWBoltFan]

More like apples to watermelons
And you've contributed nothing. If you don't F-in care, why keep posting?

[R4PT0R]

Should make a rule that only people with over 500 posts can create threads

[NWBoltFan]

LOL We played against Denver with their starting rookie QB and our QB was not injured early in the game. LT had an MVP year. Do you see differences?

Rothlessberger (Sp?) was coming off a motorcycle accident and an apendectemy (sp? again) plus they had no Bus.

You can't be serious about this... can you? This isn't Madden it's the NFL son!
What about when we played @ Denver? Of course there are differences. How about a first year starting QB, or a rookie OLT? Keep making excuses. That's what Marty did, and that's part of the reason he got canned.

[NWBoltFan]

Should make a rule that only people with over 500 posts can create threads
Why? Becaue you're just over 500?

[RAWDOGG]

Should make a rule that only people with over 500 posts can create threads

Amen!!!! :LightsOut:

[JCDavey]

What about when we played @ Denver? Of course there are differences. How about a first year starting QB, or a rookie OLT? Keep making excuses. That's what Marty did, and that's part of the reason he got canned.that game at denver was so painful

but i still contend it was kmac's fault on the int, it looked to me like he had a miscommunication with brees and didn't run the right route

[RAWDOGG]

And you've contributed nothing. If you don't F-in care, why keep posting?

What have you contributed?

How is bringing up the 05 season productive and meaningfull? :rolleyes:

[NWBoltFan]

What have you contributed?

How is bringing up the 05 season productive and meaningfull? :rolleyes:
Because it explains why Marty got fired. Why the team was dysfunctional. How Marty used a circumstance to spite AJ. It also alleviates blame from AJ for "benching" Gates for the first game of the season, and why that wasn't the "lone determining factor" for us missing the playoffs in '05.

You could go on to say it was Marty's fault Drew was traded. That he was hurt. Etc. AJ wanted Rivers to play in the finale. Marty wanted to pad his stats and ended up helping Brees see the door.

What again have you contributed in this thread?

[fireknuckles]

I compared our '05 team and our '06 team. If you think they're drastically different, it's your prerogative. I will agree that our '01 team was drastically different- as an earlier poster wanted to compare those seasons.

You're here to do nothing but antagonize.

Not drastically different however there were some huge contributions made by some newcomers such as follows:

Shaun Phillips played much better in 06 than Foley played in 05.
Rivers had a better year in 06 than Brees had in 05.
Mcree is a better player than Jue
Becuse Oben was hurt a lot in 05 we had Jordan playing LT and McNeill is a significant upgrade to Joran and an injured Oben. I may be missing something else?

On top of that, we played against different teams, on different weeks and those teams had their own sets of circumstances.

IMO you can't compare the results of two seperate seasons as if they're exactly the same.

I'm not here to antagonize BTW try not to take things personaly. :Cheers:

[NWBoltFan]

that game at denver was so painful

but i still contend it was kmac's fault on the int, it looked to me like he had a miscommunication with brees and didn't run the right route
I suppose it could've been miscommunication- we never really got the hear about that particular play. I know Brees stared K-mac down before snapping and throwing the ball. Irony is, if he pump fakes and it's a go pattern, its a TD the other way...

[fireknuckles]

What about when we played @ Denver? Of course there are differences. How about a first year starting QB, or a rookie OLT? Keep making excuses. That's what Marty did, and that's part of the reason he got canned.
Lol so you're aguing agains the case that you made that we were an identical team 05 vs 06. Keep digging.

[RAWDOGG]

Because it explains why Marty got fired. Why the team was dysfunctional. How Marty used a circumstance to spite AJ. It also alleviates blame from AJ for "benching" Gates for the first game of the season, and why that wasn't the "lone determining factor" for us missing the playoffs in '05.

You could go on to say it was Marty's fault Drew was traded. That he was hurt. Etc. AJ wanted Rivers to play in the finale. Marty wanted to pad his stats and ended up helping Brees see the door.

What again have you contributed in this thread?

05 had no barring on Marty's future as the HC.........FACT

Marty did not call offensive plays to spite AJ (becuase of Lemon)........FACT

We went 0-2 in 05, Gates missed one game, which had no bearing on playoffs or not............FACT

[NWBoltFan]

Not drastically different however there were some huge contributions made by some newcomers such as follows:

Shaun Phillips played much better in 06 than Foley played in 05.
Rivers had a better year in 06 than Brees had in 05.
Mcree is a better player than Jue
Becuse Oben was hurt a lot in 05 we had Jordan playing LT and McNeill is a significant upgrade to Joran and an injured Oben. I may be missing something else?

On top of that, we played against different teams, on different weeks and those teams had their own sets of circumstances.

IMO you can't compare the results of two seperate seasons as if they're exactly the same.

I'm not here to antagonize BTW try not to take things personaly. :Cheers:
I can see how they were different. I still don't think we should have missed the playoffs. I still think a BIG reason we did is because of Marty- primarily the Miami game when their defense knew EVERYTHING we were doing.

Losing Oben was huge. And coincidnetally a reason why I'm not THAT worried about losing Dielman, because he didn't seem so great next to Jordan.

When comparing Philps '06 season to Foley's '05, I think you have to factor in Phillips playing on passing downs in '05 too. I think he was second on the list. But yeah, Foley's abdominal strain definitely took away from him compared to his '04 season.

I didn't think McCree or Jue has played particularly well, though McCree may have had more a positive impact on the entire secondary. But that could also be contributed to having only one DB coach, or the maturation of Florence, Kiel, Jammer etc. , or the addition of Cromartie.

I apologize for taking things too personally. I normally post on the UT. The response here was antagonistic- and attributable to turd fans masquerading as Bolts fans. :brew:

[NWBoltFan]

Lol so you're aguing agains the case that you made that we were an identical team 05 vs 06. Keep digging.
No. Pointing out I realize there are differences. There are however, more similarities to '05 and '06 than '01 and '06.

[RAWDOGG]

I can see how they were different. I still don't think we should have missed the playoffs. I still think a BIG reason we did is because of Marty- primarily the Miami game when their defense knew EVERYTHING we were doing.

Losing Oben was huge. And coincidnetally a reason why I'm not THAT worried about losing Dielman, because he didn't seem so great next to Jordan.

When comparing Philps '06 season to Foley's '05, I think you have to factor in Phillips playing on passing downs in '05 too. I think he was second on the list. But yeah, Foley's abdominal strain definitely took away from him compared to his '04 season.

I didn't think McCree or Jue has played particularly well, though McCree may have had more a positive impact on the entire secondary. But that could also be contributed to having only one DB coach, or the maturation of Florence, Kiel, Jammer etc. , or the addition of Cromartie.

I apologize for taking things too personally. I normally post on the UT. The response here was antagonistic- and attributable to turd fans masquerading as Bolts fans. :brew:

Half the team had the FLU, and not to mention a fumbled kick, was the nail in the coffin.............. but he, Marty os no longer here so blame it on him

[R4PT0R]

Why? Becaue you're just over 500?

because almost every dumb thread is from someone under that many posts.. just look at the new post by the aj hater

[NWBoltFan]

05 had no barring on Marty's future as the HC.........FACT

Marty did not call offensive plays to spite AJ (becuase of Lemon)........FACT

We went 0-2 in 05, Gates missed one game, which had no bearing on playoffs or not............FACT
At least you're contributing now. If the problems between AJ and Marty began in '03, how does the '05 season have no "barring"? Say if Marty went to the SB in '05, would it have a bearing then?

Never said Marty called the offnesive plays to spite AJ, said he never CHANGED anything in the playbook. Therefore, when an audible was called, the dolphin Defense KNEW what we were running. I'm not going to say FACT, because I don't feel like searching for the article. But I KNOW, you can't claim fact.

If we'd gone 2-0 in those games, we'd have been 11-5 in the playoffs. FACT. So, it kind of, COPMLETELY determined whether or not we made the playoffs.

[NWBoltFan]

because almost every dumb thread is from someone under that many posts.. just look at the new post by the aj hater
I generally post on another board.

[RAWDOGG]

At least you're contributing now. If the problems between AJ and Marty began in '03, how does the '05 season have no "barring"? Say if Marty went to the SB in '05, would it have a bearing then?

Never said Marty called the offnesive plays to spite AJ, said he never CHANGED anything in the playbook. Therefore, when an audible was called, the dolphin Defense KNEW what we were running. I'm not going to say FACT, because I don't feel like searching for the article. But I KNOW, you can't claim fact.

If we'd gone 2-0 in those games, we'd have been 11-5 in the playoffs. FACT. So, it kind of, COPMLETELY determined whether or not we made the playoffs.

Marty was given (at the beginning of the 06 season) an ultimatum, go deep into the playoffs or lose your job...........

Why didn't Cam change the offensive plays??

We can play the if game all day long, FACT is 05 was much different from 06, just as 06 is going to be much different than 07.

05 we had arguably the toughest schedule with multiple east coast trips and games in KC to an undefeated (December) Chiefs team

[NWBoltFan]

Half the team had the FLU, and not to mention a fumbled kick, was the nail in the coffin.............. but he, Marty os no longer here so blame it on him
I don't recall that. My best recollection was reading Zach Thomas quotes from the Miami Herald about how they knew what we were doing on offense.

I checked the gamebook. Each team had 2 fumbles lost. We also had a pic to add to that...

As for Cam changing the plays, I can't explain that- but neither could Cam.

And I can make the same statement regarding similarites:

FACT, is 05 was much the same as 06, just as 06 is going to be much the same as 07.

And '07 schedule will not be easy. Perhaps no 4 trips to the east coast (though we went 3-1), but...

Been fun. Gotta roll.

[RAWDOGG]

I don't recall that. My best recollection was reading Zach Thomas quotes from the Miami Herald about how they knew what we were doing on offense.

I checked the gamebook. Each team had 2 fumbles lost. We also had a pic to add to that...

As for Cam changing the plays, I can't explain that- but neither could Cam.

And I can make the same statement regarding similarites:

FACT, is 05 was much the same as 06, just as 06 is going to be much the same as 07.

And '07 schedule will not be easy. Perhaps no 4 trips to the east coast (though we went 3-1), but...

Been fun. Gotta roll.

05 we were 8-8, 06 we were 14-2, 07 who knows.........but you apply your logic on a weekly basis......why even compete? If every week is the same?

[RIPgriggs]

The finger is primarily pointed at AJ for "denying" Antonio Gates the ability to play in our season opener in SD. Had we won that game, there was a reasonably good chance we'd also have gone to the playoffs as a wildcard.

I've never understood this theory, when closer examination of that season plants ALOT of the blame squarely on our recently exited coach.

FOUR losses at home!

One of which was vs. Miami. A team that was somewhat on the rise, but playing 3k miles across the U.S. A team that also had acquired one Cleo Lemon 2 weeks prior. A team who inexpicably knew ALL our offensive playcalls.

Unbelievably, Marty did not alter or change the playbook in ANYWAY- in part- it is theorized, because of his dismay and dissatisfaction with AJ over trading Lemon without letting his knowledge.

While I can see Marty's point, I simply can't see where Marty justifies NOT changing anything- seemingly out of spite.

Good riddance. On to a functional football team. Cheers.


patrick crayton should have not killed us and that is why we lost, HE DID kill us.... but not because of gates

[NWBoltFan]

05 we were 8-8, 06 we were 14-2, 07 who knows.........but you apply your logic on a weekly basis......why even compete? If every week is the same?
'Cause THAT'S why they play the game!


ps. we were 9-7 in '05.

[NWBoltFan]

patrick crayton should have not killed us and that is why we lost, HE DID kill us.... but not because of gates
True. Dude had a coming out party against us that day. BTW, looks like he's turning into a decent WR, and I believe is maybe a FA, or a RFA? Can't remember.

[JCDavey]

True. Dude had a coming out party against us that day. BTW, looks like he's turning into a decent WR, and I believe is maybe a FA, or a RFA? Can't remember.he's a rfa which is a shame, i wish we could get him somehow

[chargerlew]

If we're talking about lost seasons, what's the deal with 2003? 2002 we go 8-8, and then the next year we go 4-12, both under Marty. Supposedly 2003 was the year AJ and Marty's feud began, so I wonder what transpired that year (other than alot of losing).

[JCDavey]

If we're talking about lost seasons, what's the deal with 2003? 2002 we go 8-8, and then the next year we go 4-12, both under Marty. Supposedly 2003 was the year AJ and Marty's feud began, so I wonder what transpired that year (other than alot of losing).my guess is , AJ got hired , that's what transpired.

maybe marty thought he was going to be HC/GM.

who was the secret insider that told archie manning bad things about AJ?

makes ya wonder.

[.CHARGER.]

The finger is primarily pointed at AJ for "denying" Antonio Gates the ability to play in our season opener in SD. Had we won that game, there was a reasonably good chance we'd also have gone to the playoffs as a wildcard.

I've never understood this theory, when closer examination of that season plants ALOT of the blame squarely on our recently exited coach.

FOUR losses at home!

One of which was vs. Miami. A team that was somewhat on the rise, but playing 3k miles across the U.S. A team that also had acquired one Cleo Lemon 2 weeks prior. A team who inexpicably knew ALL our offensive playcalls.

Unbelievably, Marty did not alter or change the playbook in ANYWAY- in part- it is theorized, because of his dismay and dissatisfaction with AJ over trading Lemon without letting his knowledge.

While I can see Marty's point, I simply can't see where Marty justifies NOT changing anything- seemingly out of spite.

Good riddance. On to a functional football team. Cheers.

well if you didnt notice its pretty hard to change your whole playbook in 2 weeks. sure you can change what you call at the line and some formations but so what? thats not the reason we lost. we lost because we took them too lightly and it was cam camerons job to change the plays anyway

[GoTomlinson]

The finger is primarily pointed at AJ for "denying" Antonio Gates the ability to play in our season opener in SD. Had we won that game, there was a reasonably good chance we'd also have gone to the playoffs as a wildcard.

Even if we won the first game against the Cowboys, we would have gone 10-6 and missed the playoffs. Add another win to our record at 11-5 and we still would have missed the playoffs!

[spysnipedis]

Heres another reason why it was different


http://koti.mbnet.fi/udbf/ssj1.jpg
LT was Super Saiyan 1 = 2005 season


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/d4/200px-Super_Saiyan_2.jpg
due to all the LT has lost a step topics he transformed into:
LT was Super Saiyan 2 = 2006 season


http://koti.mbnet.fi/udbf/ss4.jpg or http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/64/Gokussj3deadhovering.jpg/200px-Gokussj3deadhovering.jpg
now all we got to do is bring it back up so he can go 3 or maybe even 4
that should be enough to win the superbowl.



I have contributed to the thread. thank you.

[NWBoltFan]

Even if we won the first game against the Cowboys, we would have gone 10-6 and missed the playoffs. Add another win to our record at 11-5 and we still would have missed the playoffs!
It depends who our other victory would come against. We could have lost out on the playoffs at 11-5...

[NWBoltFan]

If we're talking about lost seasons, what's the deal with 2003? 2002 we go 8-8, and then the next year we go 4-12, both under Marty. Supposedly 2003 was the year AJ and Marty's feud began, so I wonder what transpired that year (other than alot of losing).
That's a very good question, because Brees was absolutely atrocious that year. But we didn't draft Rivers until after that year...

[spysnipedis]

and the 2002 weren't the chargers 6-0 at week of the bye and then after that only won 2 games <.< ?

[chargerlew]

and the 2002 weren't the chargers 6-0 at week of the bye and then after that only won 2 games <.< ?


Close..we were 6-1 at the bye week, then proceeded to lose 7 of our next 9 games. :(

[spysnipedis]

so much hope that season, lol

[cloudparty]

True. Dude had a coming out party against us that day. BTW, looks like he's turning into a decent WR, and I believe is maybe a FA, or a RFA? Can't remember.

A lot of receivers, particularly new ones, had coming out games against our secondary. Remember Boerrighter (sp?) from KC?

[cloudparty]

I don't recall that. My best recollection was reading Zach Thomas quotes from the Miami Herald about how they knew what we were doing on offense.

I checked the gamebook. Each team had 2 fumbles lost. We also had a pic to add to that...

As for Cam changing the plays, I can't explain that- but neither could Cam.

And I can make the same statement regarding similarites:

FACT, is 05 was much the same as 06, just as 06 is going to be much the same as 07.

And '07 schedule will not be easy. Perhaps no 4 trips to the east coast (though we went 3-1), but...

Been fun. Gotta roll.

I remember the FLU. But each game is important, but each game is also not the end of the season. That year was a tough schedule that really wore the players down, it seems to me. Mind you, about the Dallas game--why we didn't run LT at the end (we had TOs) is beyond me.

[RAWDOGG]

I remember the FLU. But each game is important, but each game is also not the end of the season. That year was a tough schedule that really wore the players down, it seems to me. Mind you, about the Dallas game--why we didn't run LT at the end (we had TOs) is beyond me.

Probably the same reason we didn't run LT in the second half of the Pats game........I am actually glad Cam is gone

[cloudparty]

Should make a rule that only people with over 500 posts can create threads

Nah, 235! ;)

[cloudparty]

Probably the same reason we didn't run LT in the second half of the Pats game........I am actually glad Cam is gone

Amen to that, bro.

[OverVolt]

I blame all losses on the other teams...which have made every season a lost season.
05 is long gone, who cares...it's like tRaider fan saying they have three rings.

[GoTomlinson]

It depends who our other victory would come against. We could have lost out on the playoffs at 11-5...

Only if we had defeated the Steelers would we get in at 11-5.

[FanSinceTheEpic]

I blame the founders of the NFL for planting the seeds for what would eventually become a 9-7 season in 2005.