Bly Signs 5 year deal

[ltomlinson16]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2816020

I think the Donks look pretty good this year..

[JCDavey]

good for bly, he got the money he was seeking

[Charger Dave]

good for bly, he got the money he was seekingAyupp, wonder if he got the commitment for a trade to his desired team along with it?

[eaterfan]

How do the broncos continuously have room to sign so many guys?

[JCDavey]

makes me happy, because he's 5'9 like darrent williams was.

[broncosgc]

makes me happy, because he's 5'9 like darrent williams was.

makes me happy because we have the best secondary in football...;)

[JCDavey]

makes me happy because we have the best secondary in football...;)yeah yeah , lynch is the white ed reed...sure....we'll see in 07 :D

[dekkerbasser]

makes me happy because we have the best secondary in football...;)

I'm not going to consent to this but I will make a comment:
Seriously, you guys love having terrific, shut down DBs. :Beer:

[ltomlinson16]

good for bly, he got the money he was seeking

what does his signing do for their cap situation.. seeing as they still have wilson

[JCDavey]

what does his signing do for their cap situation.. seeing as they still have wilsoni think it means they'll have to deal wilson for sure now or restructure him as well

[Rivers_owns]

How many guys can this team afford? Hell they could probably sign Peyton Manning, LT and Ed Reed to 7 year deals and still have enough left over to trade for Terrel Owens.

[IgorUnchained]

makes me happy because we have the best secondary in football...;)

I think the Bolts will take both games against the Broncos.....but I will admit that is EASILY the best CB tandem in the NFL right now. Best Secondary in the NFL right now.

Hands Down.


How are the Browncos doing? Ian Gold is the man, but he cant pass a physical. Is Wilson going to even be there next season? Your front seven is suspect, to say the least.

Im not sweating!


I will be interested to see how Champ/Bly work out....not only do I like the combo, I like the mindset and balls that went into the move.

[ltomlinson16]

I think the Bolts will take both games against the Broncos.....but I will admit that is EASILY the best CB tandem in the NFL right now. Best Secondary in the NFL right now.

Hands Down.


How are the Browncos doing? Ian Gold is the man, but he cant pass a physical. Is Wilson going to even be there next season? Your front seven is suspect, to say the least.

Im not sweating!


I will be interested to see how Champ/Bly work out....not only do I like the combo, I like the mindset and balls that went into the move.

Dont be so sure...
If they can shut down our passing game, it doesnt matter whos playing in the front 7, becaue they could put 10 in the box (or some insane number like that) and stop LT.

[JoeMcRugby]

Dont be so sure...
If they can shut down our passing game, it doesnt matter whos playing in the front 7, becaue they could put 10 in the box (or some insane number like that) and stop LT.

That's the first time I've ever read a take where it doesn't matter what a team has in their front 7. Kind of seems backwards to me.

BTW Since neither Bailey nor Bly (who is not all that as shown in Detroit) will be covering Gates, that seems to be one problem. Another would be having the 5'9" Bly attempting to cover 6'5" VJ.

The d-line is bare, the LB corps is creaking, the safeties are aging, the o-line is aging and the WR corps is either aging (Smith) or unproven, and the QB siutation is unproven in college & the NFL.

They have a better blocking TE, a better (not great, better) RB who has a lot of tread worn off the tires and a smallish good man-coverage CB who is not a strong tackler nor cover man in space.

As it stands now, the Donks are not as good of a team at the start of 2007 as they were at the start of 2006. They still have the draft, but that's unlikely to add a huge amount to 2007 production.

[broncosgc]

That's the first time I've ever read a take where it doesn't matter what a team has in their front 7. Kind of seems backwards to me.

BTW Since neither Bailey nor Bly (who is not all that as shown in Detroit) will be covering Gates, that seems to be one problem. Another would be having the 5'9" Bly attempting to cover 6'5" VJ.

The d-line is bare, the LB corps is creaking, the safeties are aging, the o-line is aging and the WR corps is either aging (Smith) or unproven, and the QB siutation is unproven in college & the NFL.

They have a better blocking TE, a better (not great, better) RB who has a lot of tread worn off the tires and a smallish good man-coverage CB who is not a strong tackler nor cover man in space.

As it stands now, the Donks are not as good of a team at the start of 2007 as they were at the start of 2006. They still have the draft, but that's unlikely to add a huge amount to 2007 production.

Here's a shock...I see it differently....

We almost made the playoffs last year with a team that won't be near as good as the 07 version.

Jay Cutler is a young gunslinger that will have a bunch of talent around him this year....he showed flashes even as a rookie to make plays on the spot...he is amazingly poised for someone of his age and his ability is undeniable.......

Travis Henry is 28 yrs old...I don't see a lot of tread there...he's a few months older than LT with less carries...are you saying LT has a lot of wear & tear as well? Henry btw ran for 1200+ yds in 14 games with a 4.5 ypc with the titans....he's now in a system that had the likes of Mike Bell, Rueben Droughns, Mike Anderson, Quinten Griffin, and other cast-offs looked like pro-bowlers in....Henry is a one cut, downhill runner with good speed. He's perfect for us...expect 1500 yds...

Our O-line was without its best player for much of last season...Matt Lepsis is a Pro-Bowl talent at LT...he's back to go with a bunch of other guys that do a good job (that includes young guys)...Add Daniel Graham the best blocking TE with good receiving skills as well and you have quite the dominant run game again...

Our WRs include Walker, Up & comer Brandon Marshall, Stokley & of course Rod Smith...That sounds good to me...

Our defense has Jim Bates as DC who dominates everywhere he goes...Ian Gold is still there...DJ Williams is a freak athletically..and will be more utilized...Al Wilson started in the Pro-Bowl at MLB... Our secondary may be second to none..Bailey, Bly, & the ageless Lynch.....

We addressed WR, TE, RB, & O-line in free agency/trade....

We will use our draft on Pass rushing studs...thus completing our team quite nicely...we will have no real glaring weaknesses...

So you see it one way & I see it the another way...Look out for the Broncos in 07...;)

[JCDavey]

Here's a shock...I see it differently....

We almost made the playoffs last year with a team that won't be near as good as the 07 version.

Jay Cutler is a young gunslinger that will have a bunch of talent around him this year....he showed flashes even as a rookie to make plays on the spot...he is amazingly poised for someone of his age and his ability is undeniable.......

Travis Henry is 28 yrs old...I don't see a lot of tread there...he's a few months older than LT with less carries...are you saying LT has a lot of wear & tear as well? Henry btw ran for 1200+ yds in 14 games with a 4.5 ypc with the titans....he's now in a system that had the likes of Mike Bell, Rueben Droughns, Mike Anderson, Quinten Griffin, and other cast-offs looked like pro-bowlers in....Henry is a one cut, downhill runner with good speed. He's perfect for us...expect 1500 yds...

Our O-line was without its best player for much of last season...Matt Lepsis is a Pro-Bowl talent at LT...he's back to go with a bunch of other guys that do a good job (that includes young guys)...Add Daniel Graham the best blocking TE with good receiving skills as well and you have quite the dominant run game again...

Our WRs include Walker, Up & comer Brandon Marshall, Stokley & of course Rod Smith...That sounds good to me...

Our defense has Jim Bates as DC who dominates everywhere he goes...Ian Gold is still there...DJ Williams is a freak athletically..and will be more utilized...Al Wilson started in the Pro-Bowl at MLB... Our secondary may be second to none..Bailey, Bly, & the ageless Lynch.....

We addressed WR, TE, RB, & O-line in free agency/trade....

We will use our draft on Pass rushing studs...thus completing our team quite nicely...we will have no real glaring weaknesses...

So you see it one way & I see it the another way...Look out for the Broncos in 07...;)

did he dominate in GB? i don't recall




When Mike Sherman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sherman) was fired by Packers General Manager Ted Thompson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Thompson) on January 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006), Bates was offered the opportunity to interview for the head position. He interviewed on January 10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_10) but was informed the next day the organization would be hiring San Francisco 49ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_49ers) offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_McCarthy) instead.

Bates took the news very hard. McCarthy met with him on January 15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_15) in hopes of convincing him to stay with the organization. However, after two meetings between McCarthy and Bates, the team announced on January 16 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_16) that they would be parting ways.

Bates' defensive scheme uses the defensive tackles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_tackle) to plug the middle, with the defensive ends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_end) pressuring the quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback). Special emphasis is on the linebackers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linebacker), as short, speedy LB's are especially fitted for this format. Linebacker Zach Thomas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zach_Thomas) and defensive end Jason Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Taylor_%28American_football%29) are among the players Bates developed in Miami. Bates is well-liked among players for being a fiery, energetic, demanding, yet fair and hands-on coach.


sounds like he's a decent DC , but you're getting a guy on the rebound

alos sounds like you guys got a DC who was out of football last year much like ours, but the difference is yours is installing a brand new scheme.

If you guys take to it immediately , then more power to you, i'd say by default he's a vast improvement over coyer.

[broncosgc]

did he dominate in GB? i don't recall





sounds like he's a decent DC , but you're getting a guy on the rebound

alos sounds like you guys got a DC who was out of football last year much like ours, but the difference is yours is installing a brand new scheme.

If you guys take to it immediately , then more power to you, i'd say by default he's a vast improvement over coyer.

I'm not sure how that article shows him not doing a good job but...

if you look at the numbers you'll see that every team Bates takes over they improve in defensive rankings significantly.....that includes green bay who didn't have a whole lot of talent to begin with....

Bates is also most notably recognized for his success in Miami....

[JCDavey]

I'm not sure how that article shows him not doing a good job but...

if you look at the numbers you'll see that every team Bates takes over they improve in defensive rankings significantly.....that includes green bay who didn't have a whole lot of talent to begin with....

Bates is also most notably recognized for his success in Miami....i didn't say he did a bad or good job, i honestly have no recollection of him as GB's DC and how he did there

he does sound like he'll be a good influence on your LBs and whatever DEs you draft

[broncosgc]

i didn't say he did a bad or good job, i honestly have no recollection of him as GB's DC and how he did there

he does sound like he'll be a good influence on your LBs and whatever DEs you draft

oh okay....

yeah he will make a MLB a lock for the pro-bowl if they are at least decent...

that may be part of the reason Al Wilson has suddenly become expendable....

our Ends will only have the opportunity to do well if Bates can get the DTs that he desires....

only time will tell....

[ltomlinson16]

That's the first time I've ever read a take where it doesn't matter what a team has in their front 7. Kind of seems backwards to me.

BTW Since neither Bailey nor Bly (who is not all that as shown in Detroit) will be covering Gates, that seems to be one problem. Another would be having the 5'9" Bly attempting to cover 6'5" VJ.

The d-line is bare, the LB corps is creaking, the safeties are aging, the o-line is aging and the WR corps is either aging (Smith) or unproven, and the QB siutation is unproven in college & the NFL.

They have a better blocking TE, a better (not great, better) RB who has a lot of tread worn off the tires and a smallish good man-coverage CB who is not a strong tackler nor cover man in space.

As it stands now, the Donks are not as good of a team at the start of 2007 as they were at the start of 2006. They still have the draft, but that's unlikely to add a huge amount to 2007 production.

I disagree that they arent as good as the year before.. pending the situation of al wilson they might be better. If you look hard enough at nearly any team, it seems as though all of them are aging. With age comes experience and leadership, that defensive backfield will be lights out and cutler will improve. The only question marks i can find for the broncos is their defensive front 7. In the draft/al wilson/free agency.. that whole deal.. they'll be fine.

IMO they're better now than last year.

[JoeMcRugby]

I disagree that they arent as good as the year before.. pending the situation of al wilson they might be better. If you look hard enough at nearly any team, it seems as though all of them are aging. With age comes experience and leadership, that defensive backfield will be lights out and cutler will improve. The only question marks i can find for the broncos is their defensive front 7. In the draft/al wilson/free agency.. that whole deal.. they'll be fine.

IMO they're better now than last year.

Their WRs, o-line, d-line and safeties aren't getting better with experience. That only happens when you have young developing players improving as the years go by.

Their o-line, decimated d-line, Rod Smith-led WR corps, safety (John Lynch) and LBs aren't better due to another year of experience. They're another year closer to the proverbial "glue factory".

Compare that to the Chargers squad - where you have Goff (nearing 30), the ageless Lo Neal and Jamal Williams as the only players who are on the downside of their careers. It's teams like that who improve with another season under their belts.

As for where they were a year ago in the QB position: they had a Pro Bowl level QB coming back to lead the team after . Now they have an unproven in college AND the NFL QB. Frankly, I don't know how he'll do in 2007. And this isn't a situation similar to PR - the Broncos had no choice but to play Cutler - whether or not he's ready to take the team to the playoff hunt. We'll see.

BTW Color Al Wilson gone. They need to cut him loose in order to have the cap space to sign their rookie draftees.

[JoeMcRugby]

broncosgc,

As far as LT and Henry goes, it's all about running styles - and joint injuries.

LT had his pulled groin and a cracked rib. I believe that's it as far as injuries go in his 6 year career. And like Barry Sanders, he just doesn't take hits.

As for the Henry: knee injury his rookie season (2001); torn rib cartilage (nothing major - 2003) and fractured right leg (2004). He missed 4 games in 2005 due to his substance abuse suspension. And a different running style than LT: hard runner who doesn't avoid shots.

With him turning 29 during the 2007 season, he appears to be the prototypical RB type who will likely hit the downslope in a very short time. Maybe he will be the exception to the rule - and maybe the Titans were fools to release him for no compensation. :confused:

[ltomlinson16]

Their WRs, o-line, d-line and safeties aren't getting better with experience. That only happens when you have young developing players improving as the years go by.

Their o-line, decimated d-line, Rod Smith-led WR corps, safety (John Lynch) and LBs aren't better due to another year of experience. They're another year closer to the proverbial "glue factory".

Compare that to the Chargers squad - where you have Goff (nearing 30), the ageless Lo Neal and Jamal Williams as the only players who are on the downside of their careers. It's teams like that who improve with another season under their belts.

As for where they were a year ago in the QB position: they had a Pro Bowl level QB coming back to lead the team after . Now they have an unproven in college AND the NFL QB. Frankly, I don't know how he'll do in 2007. And this isn't a situation similar to PR - the Broncos had no choice but to play Cutler - whether or not he's ready to take the team to the playoff hunt. We'll see.

BTW Color Al Wilson gone. They need to cut him loose in order to have the cap space to sign their rookie draftees.

What i mentioned earlier wasnt that the broncos got better with another year under their belts, but instead i said that to counter the argument made earlier that stated they were getting old. Its true that they have aged, which cant be argued, but what i meant to say is that because they are old they are also all veterns (thus the 'experience' part).

As for the O-line and rod smith, yeah they might not be great, but they've been good since forever.. especially rod, he isnt flashy or anything but hes still productive.

The chargers on the other hand are that rare team thats just sick across the board so comparing them to us isnt exactly fair- on paper. Still they're a division team, and historically a good one at that. With Cutler progressing they can only get better and they are in no way a definite win.

[DrTran]

Looking forward to Cutler getting thrown under the Bly bus

[broncosgc]

Their WRs, o-line, d-line and safeties aren't getting better with experience. That only happens when you have young developing players improving as the years go by.

WR Brandon Marshall....DE Elvis Dumervil.....OL Chris Kuper...S Curome Cox?

[JoeMcRugby]

WR Brandon Marshall....DE Elvis Dumervil.....OL Chris Kuper...S Curome Cox?
Who? What? Where? Why?

Marshall has talent, but he's not even at Ashley Lelie level - yet. And who is opposite Marshall? 38 year old Smith?

Dumervil is a pass rush specialist. Even though the Donks defensive line really struggles with the pass rush and needs him on the field, the Chargers will run all over Elvis all day long in the run game.

Cox? :confused: More like Ferguson (33 in 2007) and Lynch (36 in 2007).

Kuper? More like Lepsis (10 years), Nalen (13 years), Meadows (8 years), and Hamilton (6 years).

[JoeMcRugby]

What i mentioned earlier wasnt that the broncos got better with another year under their belts, but instead i said that to counter the argument made earlier that stated they were getting old. Its true that they have aged, which cant be argued, but what i meant to say is that because they are old they are also all veterns (thus the 'experience' part).

As for the O-line and rod smith, yeah they might not be great, but they've been good since forever.. especially rod, he isnt flashy or anything but hes still productive.

The chargers on the other hand are that rare team thats just sick across the board so comparing them to us isnt exactly fair- on paper. Still they're a division team, and historically a good one at that. With Cutler progressing they can only get better and they are in no way a definite win.

That goes without saying.

Even when the Bolts were average to horrible, they weren't an automatic win at home against AFC West rivals.

Ask the Raiders in their Super Bowl year of 2002.

[Broncomatt]

I think it's fair to suggest that in certain areas Denver is getting Older. I for one don't see this as a major major problem. Shanahan has done brilliantly during free-agency. The pick-up of Graham can only help the young talented sheffler develop into something special. The pick-up of Travis Henry, an already proven back is an immediate upgrade on last year. I think it would be fair to expect 1500yds and at least 15td's. Anything less and i would be surprised. The pick-up of Dre Bly who contrary to reports is still only 29 is an upgrade on Williams. Yes we are a year older but also a year wiser. Walker did fantastic last year considering he was returning from an ACL and i expect him and Cutler to have a lot more chemistry this year.......Marshall is a monster and with Rod smith looking pretty beat up, i expect a lot more from him given his potential... Cutler has an arm like Favre and will add so much more to Denvers offense as opposed to the predictable Jake Plummer..... Of course this is all personal opinion, but to suggest that we are not as good as last year is somewhat laughable! haha

[JoeMcRugby]

I think it's fair to suggest that in certain areas Denver is getting Older. I for one don't see this as a major major problem. Shanahan has done brilliantly during free-agency. The pick-up of Graham can only help the young talented sheffler develop into something special. The pick-up of Travis Henry, an already proven back is an immediate upgrade on last year. I think it would be fair to expect 1500yds and at least 15td's. Anything less and i would be surprised. The pick-up of Dre Bly who contrary to reports is still only 29 is an upgrade on Williams. Yes we are a year older but also a year wiser. Walker did fantastic last year considering he was returning from an ACL and i expect him and Cutler to have a lot more chemistry this year.......Marshall is a monster and with Rod smith looking pretty beat up, i expect a lot more from him given his potential... Cutler has an arm like Favre and will add so much more to Denvers offense as opposed to the predictable Jake Plummer..... Of course this is all personal opinion, but to suggest that we are not as good as last year is somewhat laughable! haha

Last year, the Donks were one of the top three picks to win the Super Bowl.

The Donks are not as good as last year. You've ignored the defensive line, offensive line, safety and LBs (with Al Wilson getting shipped off for cap space). Unimportant areas on the football field, I know - I guess we'll find out in September.

[Broncomatt]

Last year, the Donks were one of the top three picks to win the Super Bowl.

The Donks are not as good as last year. You've ignored the defensive line, offensive line, safety and LBs (with Al Wilson getting shipped off for cap space). Unimportant areas on the football field, I know - I guess we'll find out in September.


I agree with the 1st paragraph!

Personally i don't feel that Plummer was good enough to take us to the super bowl.... Though Cutler has only played a handfull of games i believe he has the credentials to give Denver what it has been missing since Elway left. Of course this is not yet proven and is just my opinion(Time will tell)

Denver had some key injuries last year and this didn't help. I was actually very surprised by how well our defense did at the start of the year but of course we got found out towards the end of the year.. Our key need is on defense and once this is addressed(during the draft) we will be a force to be reckoned with. As soon as the pass rush is effective, with Bly and Bailey as CB's i think most QB's will have a hard time breaking us down!!

I guess Bronco fans will have a better perspective on this year once the draft is over!

[TCUFAN5]

I agree with the 1st paragraph!

Personally i don't feel that Plummer was good enough to take us to the super bowl.... Though Cutler has only played a handfull of games i believe he has the credentials to give Denver what it has been missing since Elway left. Of course this is not yet proven and is just my opinion(Time will tell)

Denver had some key injuries last year and this didn't help. I was actually very surprised by how well our defense did at the start of the year but of course we got found out towards the end of the year.. Our key need is on defense and once this is addressed(during the draft) we will be a force to be reckoned with. As soon as the pass rush is effective, with Bly and Bailey as CB's i think most QB's will have a hard time breaking us down!!

I guess Bronco fans will have a better perspective on this year once the draft is over!


CREDENTIALS??? what are you smoking? what had Cutler done in one year that says he has the CREDENTIALS to be the missing part since ELWAY.. bro.. stop right now.. your going to make your brain explode for thinking such rubbish.. im not saying he wont be good im not saying he wont be horrible.. but to say he has credentials like he is some type of seasoned VET is stupid.. Even I being a Rivers Fan have never said anything like Rivers will be what is missing since FOUTS... LOL wow.. Rivers will be a great QB in my mind.. but to say he is going to be another FOUTS is crazy with only one full season started.. what did cuter have.. 6 games? LOL... some people

[Broncomatt]

CREDENTIALS??? what are you smoking? what had Cutler done in one year that says he has the CREDENTIALS to be the missing part since ELWAY.. bro.. stop right now.. your going to make your brain explode for thinking such rubbish.. im not saying he wont be good im not saying he wont be horrible.. but to say he has credentials like he is some type of seasoned VET is stupid.. Even I being a Rivers Fan have never said anything like Rivers will be what is missing since FOUTS... LOL wow.. Rivers will be a great QB in my mind.. but to say he is going to be another FOUTS is crazy with only one full season started.. what did cuter have.. 6 games? LOL... some people

Hahaha. Thumbs up to you for making my day by giving me a laugh.

Firstly by using the word credential i was merely stating that he had given Denver fans confidence in his ability to become a great QB. Unlike Plummer!

Secondly. My brain would never explode talking to you. On the contrary, it actually amuses me to hear you say that in your mind you see Rivers as being a great QB!! WOW.......WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING!!! If i give you my address could you send me some as i could do with getting off my head LOL..

[puertoricanrobb]

On the contrary, it actually amuses me to hear you say that in your mind you see Rivers as being a great QB!! WOW.......WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING!!! If i give you my address could you send me some as i could do with getting off my head LOL..

Plead your case Matt, what possible facts or situations can you bring to the table right now to better support your claim against TCU that Rivers will not be a great QB?

[broncosgc]

Who? What? Where? Why?

Marshall has talent, but he's not even at Ashley Lelie level - yet. And who is opposite Marshall? 38 year old Smith?

Dumervil is a pass rush specialist. Even though the Donks defensive line really struggles with the pass rush and needs him on the field, the Chargers will run all over Elvis all day long in the run game.

Cox? :confused: More like Ferguson (33 in 2007) and Lynch (36 in 2007).

Kuper? More like Lepsis (10 years), Nalen (13 years), Meadows (8 years), and Hamilton (6 years).

You are really looking at things as with charger sunglasses aren't you?

You can find a negative to anything...just like i can find a positive to anything..

every player & aspect of a team can have a positive or negative spin on it....

Brandon Marshall has more upside on his pinky finger than Ashley Lelie ever had....You gotta be kidding me...have you ever even watched him?...He has a chance to be special....and Rod Smith isn't playing opposite Marshall...Javon Walker is


All the other young players I mentioned have an opportunity to be good too....I don't see how you can just disregard our young players' chances without knowing what the future holds...

Bottom line is you said we aren't developing young players and that's simply not true....we have young players we're attempting to develop and like any other young player, they have a chance to be good or not good..only time will tell...

C'mon Joe don't you think you're being just a little bit bias here...:rolleyes:

[JoeMcRugby]

You are really looking at things as with charger sunglasses aren't you?

You can find a negative to anything...just like i can find a positive to anything..

every player & aspect of a team can have a positive or negative spin on it....

Brandon Marshall has more upside on his pinky finger than Ashley Lelie ever had....You gotta be kidding me...have you ever even watched him?...He has a chance to be special....and Rod Smith isn't playing opposite Marshall...Javon Walker is


All the other young players I mentioned have an opportunity to be good too....I don't see how you can just disregard our young players' chances without knowing what the future holds...

Bottom line is you said we aren't developing young players and that's simply not true....we have young players we're attempting to develop and like any other young player, they have a chance to be good or not good..only time will tell...

C'mon Joe don't you think you're being just a little bit bias here...:rolleyes:

Marshall looked good. And you're right about Walker.

The running game started to sink in 2006 after a decade of dominance no matter who the RB was. Is it a sign that the Broncos suddenly didn't have a RB who could run - or is the fact that 3 of the 5 starting o-linemen for the Broncos are really getting up there in age? I guess we'll find out in September.

The Broncos defensive line, which looked potentially rejuvenated by the Brownco d-linemen a year ago, is in tatters. A definite downgrade from a year ago.

The QB was coming off of a Pro Bowl level season a year ago. Now they have a physically talented but unproven player (both in college and the pros) leading the veteran squad. Maybe they've found their next Elway. Then again, maybe not.

The safeties are at the end of the road. Maybe the backup safety that you mentioned will step in and be great. And maybe not.

The LB corps is in for a major change. Wilson won't be there - they need his cap space.

I'm looking at it objectively, broncosgc: When looking at the Broncos at this time last year, they were a stronger team than they are now. A lot more question marks than a year ago.

Maybe the unproven reserves are ready to step into the breach and be better players than the veteran starters last year. Time will tell whether I have my head up where the sun don't shine or not. ;)

[StevenSD]

Time will tell whether I have my head up where the sun don't shine or not. ;)

You better get ESPNNews then, they fixed that problem for me. ;)

[broncosgc]

Marshall looked good. And you're right about Walker.

The running game started to sink in 2006 after a decade of dominance no matter who the RB was. Is it a sign that the Broncos suddenly didn't have a RB who could run - or is the fact that 3 of the 5 starting o-linemen for the Broncos are really getting up there in age? I guess we'll find out in September.

The Broncos defensive line, which looked potentially rejuvenated by the Brownco d-linemen a year ago, is in tatters. A definite downgrade from a year ago.

The QB was coming off of a Pro Bowl level season a year ago. Now they have a physically talented but unproven player (both in college and the pros) leading the veteran squad. Maybe they've found their next Elway. Then again, maybe not.

The safeties are at the end of the road. Maybe the backup safety that you mentioned will step in and be great. And maybe not.

The LB corps is in for a major change. Wilson won't be there - they need his cap space.

I'm looking at it objectively, broncosgc: When looking at the Broncos at this time last year, they were a stronger team than they are now. A lot more question marks than a year ago.

Maybe the unproven reserves are ready to step into the breach and be better players than the veteran starters last year. Time will tell whether I have my head up where the sun don't shine or not. ;)


Lol....we'll see...

Our o-line has its issues late but a lack of a runningback that could carry the load is what i feel we were missing...and our safety position could use some improvement...but safety isn't an impact position IMO...we don't need pro-bowlers at both safety spots & lynch is a pro-bowler as it is.....

our d-line needs help...we both can at least agree there...but dumervil in a part time role as a rookie got 9 sacks...he's got a lot of upside...Warren was hampered last year and hopefully will come back to his 05 form this season...the rest aren't anything to brag on but we have the draft to hopefully help with that...

Everything really depends on the development of Cutler...if he progreeses anything like Rivers did...then we are a threat for the AFC West....that's a big if but i'm confident...

I'm overly optimistic and you're (IMO) a little overly pessimistic...the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.....

[Broncomatt]

Plead your case Matt, what possible facts or situations can you bring to the table right now to better support your claim against TCU that Rivers will not be a great QB?

Ok so i could come back to you with a whole host of facts and figures which would argue that i don't agree with the notion that Rivers is a great QB. What good would it do me..... This is a chargers forum! That means that whatever stats i supply you with would not be enough to sway an already biased attitude....... Besides, stats dont always give a fair reflection anyways!! We are in a forum...... This is merely a discussion based on 'personal preferences and opinions' TCU, came to the table and stated that he believed 'in his mind' that Rivers was a great QB and asked me what i was smoking for suggesting that Cutler had any credentials!!

IMO i don't believe Rivers will be a 'Great' QB as he put it. Rivers is an average QB at best, which i know may be hard for some to accept and i know i will get slaughtered for it. Hell can you honestly say that you would be comfortable going into a championship game with the scores close with the belief rivers will pull something special.. IMO Rivers is made to look good because he has LT lining up with him.... But in fairness so would any QB.

[ltomlinson16]

Ok so i could come back to you with a whole host of facts and figures which would argue that i don't agree with the notion that Rivers is a great QB. What good would it do me..... This is a chargers forum! That means that whatever stats i supply you with would not be enough to sway an already biased attitude....... Besides, stats dont always give a fair reflection anyways!! We are in a forum...... This is merely a discussion based on 'personal preferences and opinions' TCU, came to the table and stated that he believed 'in his mind' that Rivers was a great QB and asked me what i was smoking for suggesting that Cutler had any credentials!!

IMO i don't believe Rivers will be a 'Great' QB as he put it. Rivers is an average QB at best, which i know may be hard for some to accept and i know i will get slaughtered for it. Hell can you honestly say that you would be comfortable going into a championship game with the scores close with the belief rivers will pull something special.. IMO Rivers is made to look good because he has LT lining up with him.... But in fairness so would any QB.


so basically A) you got nothing.. no stats.. B) your jealous of our teams talent

But in fairness so would any NFL fan...

[puertoricanrobb]

Ok so i could come back to you with a whole host of facts and figures which would argue that i don't agree with the notion that Rivers is a great QB. What good would it do me..... This is a chargers forum! That means that whatever stats i supply you with would not be enough to sway an already biased attitude....... Besides, stats dont always give a fair reflection anyways!! We are in a forum...... This is merely a discussion based on 'personal preferences and opinions' TCU, came to the table and stated that he believed 'in his mind' that Rivers was a great QB and asked me what i was smoking for suggesting that Cutler had any credentials!!

IMO i don't believe Rivers will be a 'Great' QB as he put it. Rivers is an average QB at best, which i know may be hard for some to accept and i know i will get slaughtered for it. Hell can you honestly say that you would be comfortable going into a championship game with the scores close with the belief rivers will pull something special.. IMO Rivers is made to look good because he has LT lining up with him.... But in fairness so would any QB.

Awesome, that's what I would **** out of my finger tips if I didn't have stats to back up my completely prejudice viewpoint as well.

And without a doubt, I would prefer Rivers over Brees or Cutler in your situation. Rivers has provde many a time this past season that he is a clutch QB with the tools to advance in his position to levels unimaginable to the likes of CUtler, Brees, or Sheli Manning. He still has a lot to prove, but prove them, he shall.

[SP17BOLT]

It isn't old news so... Finally, Good signing by the broncos.

[Broncomatt]

Awesome, that's what I would **** out of my finger tips if I didn't have stats to back up my completely prejudice viewpoint as well.

And without a doubt, I would prefer Rivers over Brees or Cutler in your situation. Rivers has provde many a time this past season that he is a clutch QB with the tools to advance in his position to levels unimaginable to the likes of CUtler, Brees, or Sheli Manning. He still has a lot to prove, but prove them, he shall.


LOL...

Tell you what.. I will check back once the season starts and instead of talking Sh*t we can look at look at Rivers stats and we can look at Cutlers stats.. How's about that?

Man i can't wait for the season to start..........

[StevenSD]

Hell can you honestly say that you would be comfortable going into a championship game with the scores close with the belief rivers will pull something special.. IMO Rivers is made to look good because he has LT lining up with him.... But in fairness so would any QB.

....

Um, let's look at the Seattle comeback...

Losing with under :30 seconds left in the game, Philip Rivers drops back and throws a 37 yard pass to Vincent Jackson for the game winning Touchdown. And in fairness, LT had ZERO touchdowns that game.

Much like LT had ZERO touchdowns and not close to 100 yards rushing in the comeback against the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, the game where Marty 'took off' the cuffs? Rivers even did it against your Broncos IN Denver.

I mean, it's understanding why you say you're not comfortable with Rivers, he has more experience, knowledge, understanding of the game, talent and upside than your teams current starter.

What has Cutler done that proves he can be counted on in the clutch? Hell how do you feel comfortable with him under the helm for a comeback?

[ltomlinson16]

Bronco fans.. not geetttinn

[JoeMcRugby]

....

What has Cutler done that proves he can be counted on in the clutch? Hell how do you feel comfortable with him under the helm for a comeback?

In college or in the pros ...

Even though fans like myself were ridiculed for believing that PR's ability to lead a far-less talented team to victories over national powerhouses in college meant nothing, the truth is that Cutler wasn't able to even accomplish that in college.

Cutler may turn out to be the next Elway - but he's far far far more of a question mark than PR.

[Broncomatt]

....

Um, let's look at the Seattle comeback...

Losing with under :30 seconds left in the game, Philip Rivers drops back and throws a 37 yard pass to Vincent Jackson for the game winning Touchdown. And in fairness, LT had ZERO touchdowns that game.

Much like LT had ZERO touchdowns and not close to 100 yards rushing in the comeback against the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, the game where Marty 'took off' the cuffs? Rivers even did it against your Broncos IN Denver.

I mean, it's understanding why you say you're not comfortable with Rivers, he has more experience, knowledge, understanding of the game, talent and upside than your teams current starter.

What has Cutler done that proves he can be counted on in the clutch? Hell how do you feel comfortable with him under the helm for a comeback?


Hahaha..... So you were actually watching the Seattle game then!!!!
If so, you may recall Rivers throwing 20 incompletions in that game......
Was it just me or did you think Rivers looked really shaky in that game??

He also failed to find gates until the 3rd quarter........He also finished that game 10-for-30 for 181 yards........You mentioned the Denver game! For a whole 5 games prior he failed to throw for more than 190 yards.

Your quote:
I mean, it's understanding why you say you're not comfortable with Rivers, he has more experience, knowledge, understanding of the game, talent and upside than your teams current starter.


SAYS WHO???

[StevenSD]

Hahaha..... So you were actually watching the Seattle game then!!!!
If so, you may recall Rivers throwing 20 incompletions in that game......
Was it just me or did you think Rivers looked really shaky in that game??

Was it just me or was it raining that game? Was it just me or did the receivers drop most of his passes? Did you even REALLY watch that game?


He also failed to find gates until the 3rd quarter........He also finished that game 10-for-30 for 181 yards........You mentioned the Denver game! For a whole 5 games prior he failed to throw for more than 190 yards.

Since when is it a crime to wait until the 3rd quarter to throw to Gates? The Denver game! For a whole 5 games prior he failed to throw for more than 190 yards? *** are you smoking man?

Week 10 @ Cinci: Rivers had 338 yards and 3 TD passes http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061112_SD@CIN
Week 9 vs Cleveland: Rivers threw for 211 yards http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061105_CLE@SD
Week 8 vs St. Loius: Rivers threw for 206 yards http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061029_STL@SD
Week 7 @ KC: Rivers had 266 yards passing and 2 touchdowns http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061022_SD@KC
Week 6 @ San Fran: Rivers had 334 yards passing and 2 touchdowns.http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061015_SD@SF

So for the five games prior to the Denver game, Rivers didn't throw for less than 200 yards, which proves your point false.


Your quote:
I mean, it's understanding why you say you're not comfortable with Rivers, he has more experience, knowledge, understanding of the game, talent and upside than your teams current starter.


SAYS WHO???

Over half of the NFL world.

[JCDavey]

Hahaha..... So you were actually watching the Seattle game then!!!!
If so, you may recall Rivers throwing 20 incompletions in that game......
Was it just me or did you think Rivers looked really shaky in that game??

He also failed to find gates until the 3rd quarter........He also finished that game 10-for-30 for 181 yards........You mentioned the Denver game! For a whole 5 games prior he failed to throw for more than 190 yards.

Your quote:
I mean, it's understanding why you say you're not comfortable with Rivers, he has more experience, knowledge, understanding of the game, talent and upside than your teams current starter.


SAYS WHO???fans who blatantly lie about stats , defeat any of their own points they intended to make.

[HeadTrip]

Hahaha..... So you were actually watching the Seattle game then!!!!
If so, you may recall Rivers throwing 20 incompletions in that game......
Was it just me or did you think Rivers looked really shaky in that game??

He also failed to find gates until the 3rd quarter........He also finished that game 10-for-30 for 181 yards........You mentioned the Denver game! For a whole 5 games prior he failed to throw for more than 190 yards.

Your quote:
I mean, it's understanding why you say you're not comfortable with Rivers, he has more experience, knowledge, understanding of the game, talent and upside than your teams current starter.


SAYS WHO???

Lol, even the bad games you pick for Philip are pretty good. He may have been 10/30 for 181, but he also had 2 TDs including the last minute game winner.

Every player struggles once in a while. I want the guy who will win the game for his team on those days like PR does. :17:

[JoeMcRugby]

Was it just me or was it raining that game? Was it just me or did the receivers drop most of his passes? Did you even REALLY watch that game?

It was in fact very windy and pouring all game long.

Add into the equation that Parker was injured and didn't play, KMac was injured and only playing at about 70% health because there was no other WR available (with Floyd on IR), and Pro Bowler Hasselbeck went 17 for 37 in identical conditions (0 TDs and 2 INTs), it wasn't all that awful for a "bad" game from PR.

The W in the win column coming from his clutch last minute drive was a slight positive as well. ;)

[RAWDOGG]

All you got to say is Rivers was 14-2

[StevenSD]

The W in the win column coming from his clutch last minute drive was a slight positive as well. ;)

Which is proof that Rivers can handle the clutch pressure, something this Bronco fan isn't willing to admit.