Godfrey says Bellicheat has "no respect"

[BOLTS&NUTS]

Our former ILB has some nice words towards Bellicheat. Glad he still has the anti-patriots fire within him : ""I said something to (Belichick) after the game," Godfrey said to NBCSports.com. "I told him, 'You need to show some respect for the game.' You just don't do that. I don't care how bad it is. You're up 35 points and you're still throwing deep? That's no respect."

And i completely agree with him. All that arrogant attitude of them is gonna end up biting them in the butt, it's all about KARMA baby (yes yes i did use an overrated word of ours).

I am tellin' u folks, this whole season is unfolding like no one. Everybody is crowning the Pats and the Colts while we slowly get our behinds up there when the time comes. Our Chargers might be the REAL story at the end of this season, mark my words.

More here... (http://www.nbcsports.com/portal/site/nbcsports/menuitem.6f806e473b4cb158fb00ec22493c2d04/?vgnextoid=03f04e2dff8e5110VgnVCM10000075c1d240RCR D&vgnextchannel=6f33d5e59df02110VgnVCM100000dc032c03 RCRD&vgnextfmt=default)

Go Chargers, GO!:LightsOut:

[Bolts Super Fan]

I love what Randall had to say: "You look at all the great head coaches ... I'm just disappointed. You gotta show some class, show some respect. Joe Gibbs? We wouldn't have done that. Bill Walsh? You wouldn't see those types of guys doing that stuff. I've never seen nothing like that. Most teams, you get up like that you sit on the ball and try to run the time out. They're up 30-some points and they're throwing deep. That was blatant disrespect. I hope we can see them again, definitely. You don't see Joe Gibbs doing that. You can't even imagine that kind of stuff coming from him. Joe Gibbs. Bill Walsh. Bill Parcells. This isn't like college going for power rankings. This is the pros you show some respect, show some class."

[Equalizir]

Maybe Belicheat figures he lost alot of peoples respect by getting caught cheating and he has nothing to lose anymore. I think the way the Patriots are now reflects the real Bill. Hes extremely arrogant and thinks his stuff doesnt stink. I wonder how good of a coach he would be without Brady who is another unprofessional jerk. I remember one game they lost and after the game Brady didnt shake anyones hand. He ran back to the locker room like a spoiled brat. I hate the Patriots and will not watch any game there in even if its the superbowl which I think barring any injuries to there stars they'll be in the big game.

[PDXboltfanIB]

The guys on NBC's "Football night in America" postgame show on Sunday night made a good point. They basically said that the Patriots broke an unwritten rule and everyone in the league is going to see this- it will only lead to a bigger bullseye on the Patriots back.

Good for Godfrey for calling him out. Godfrey has been a player in this league for a long time and he deserves the right to speak up and be heard. I predict that the Colts will pick off the Pats, and we will pick off the Colts the following week. Then everyone will once again be talking about the SD Super Chargers, making a late season run on their way to the big dance.

P.S. Regarding the video that was linked to the NBC article above- Brady looks like a tool in that little hat!! :good:

[JCDavey]

godfrey had his chance to do something about it , they didn't make brady pay

[Sam Adams]

I love what Randall had to say: "You look at all the great head coaches ... I'm just disappointed. You gotta show some class, show some respect. Joe Gibbs? We wouldn't have done that. Bill Walsh? You wouldn't see those types of guys doing that stuff. I've never seen nothing like that. Most teams, you get up like that you sit on the ball and try to run the time out. They're up 30-some points and they're throwing deep. That was blatant disrespect. I hope we can see them again, definitely. You don't see Joe Gibbs doing that. You can't even imagine that kind of stuff coming from him. Joe Gibbs. Bill Walsh. Bill Parcells. This isn't like college going for power rankings. This is the pros you show some respect, show some class."Joe Gibbs doesn't mind doing it, though....

1983, Redskins beat Rams 51-7, no media stories.
2007, Redskins beat 49ers 52-17, no media whining.

[thumper300zx]

Joe Gibbs doesn't mind doing it, though....

1983, Redskins beat Rams 51-7, no media stories.
2007, Redskins beat 49ers 52-17, no media whining.

...don't worry about these guys. Our focus is on Indianapolis. We're preparing for Indianapolis. This week it's Indianopolis. The Colts are a great team. They are the Champions. We know they're gonna play tough. Indianapolis on Sunday.

[JCDavey]

Joe Gibbs doesn't mind doing it, though....

1983, Redskins beat Rams 51-7, no media stories.
2007, Redskins beat 49ers 52-17, no media whining.were they passing for tds in the 4th qtr of those games and going for it on 4th down? lol

[Toad]

The guys on NBC's "Football night in America" postgame show on Sunday night made a good point. They basically said that the Patriots broke an unwritten rule and everyone in the league is going to see this- it will only lead to a bigger bullseye on the Patriots back.

Good for Godfrey for calling him out. Godfrey has been a player in this league for a long time and he deserves the right to speak up and be heard. I predict that the Colts will pick off the Pats, and we will pick off the Colts the following week. Then everyone will once again be talking about the SD Super Chargers, making a late season run on their way to the big dance.

P.S. Regarding the video that was linked to the NBC article above- Brady looks like a tool in that little hat!! :good:

BB* does nothing without a purpose. He's the most calculated HC in the game. If he's running up the score, it's because he sees value in it. My guess is it's all propaganda. He wants his opponents to feel inferior coming into the game. And, he's thoroughly pissed that he's been labled the cheat that he is. Everyone in the NFL is going to pay for his preceived slight. I don't think he intends to draw so much attention towards himself; he's a loner, and not interested in the spotlight. However, that exactly what he's doing, at least at the fan level. How many threads does this forum have discussing the Pats*? Everybody's talking about them.

Unfortunately, there's a major downside to this strategy. Some dim-witted player is going to break his star toy. If I was Brady I'd be very afraid. As long as the NFL players perceive BB* to be rubbing their noses in his poop, there will be ample motive to seek retribution. Somebody is going to break Brady; it shouldn't be too long before this happens.

As to Godfrey's comments, Godfrey is an ignorant tool. He comes off like a whining millionaire baby. My gosh, he's a professional athlete. He's paid to play, and not to get all butt-hurt over a game score. I understand that he has been a great Charger, but he was never paid for his intellect. He was employed as the beast that he was. He's has been paid millions to blow people up. He likely was never considered for his team's strategy towards the NFL's other teams. BB* is a football genius, like it or not.

However, if I was BB's* QB, and leader of the assortment of toys that make up the Pats* team, I'd be VERY, VERY afraid. But then again, Brady is too busy procreating with various supermodels to consider his unfortunate circumstances.

I don't see this ending well for Brady.

[jtk6]

Joe Gibbs doesn't mind doing it, though....

1983, Redskins beat Rams 51-7, no media stories.
2007, Redskins beat 49ers 52-17, no media whining.




So did walsh and parcells. Parcells actually kicked a field goal inthe 4th quarter of a 40 point game.

[jtk6]

HEy charger fans quick question in '81 when you put up a 55-21 spot on the raiders how classy was it to be throwing td passes in the 4th quarter?


My point is that these games happen every year, good teams blow out bad teams, taking the first string out in the 3rd quarter almost never happens. The pats are down 2 tight ends and 1 running back .Their starting running back just came back from being injured and is still banged up. Running the ball was not in the game plan and playing soft is stupid.

[JoeMcRugby]

HEy charger fans quick question in '81 when you put up a 55-21 spot on the raiders how classy was it to be throwing td passes in the 4th quarter?


My point is that these games happen every year, good teams blow out bad teams, taking the first string out in the 3rd quarter almost never happens. The pats are down 2 tight ends and 1 running back .Their starting running back just came back from being injured and is still banged up. Running the ball was not in the game plan and playing soft is stupid.

In 1981, the Chargers were quite capable of losing a 28 point lead in a flash and the Raiders were quite capable of scoring that many in a flash - just look at the 1981 AFC Divisional playoff game if you don't agree.

As for these games happening every year: No, it doesn't happen.

This is unprecedented - passing on 4th and 1 while ahead 38-0 in the 4th quarter.

Joe Gibbs' Redskins blew out the Rams 51-7 in the 1983 NFL playoffs - but ran the ball the entire 2nd half. If you have a running back on your roster, then running is in the game plan. If you run the ball and score, kudos for you and tough luck for the defense.

Spin it all you want, but I believe that the Pats have some NFL running backs on their current roster outside of Maroney. This has never happened in the NFL before - all because Belichik is having a fit over his record being tarnished when he got caught cheating.

Whatever.

[jtk6]

About gibbs in 83 that might of been the best running team ever, they ran the ball the way the pats and colts throw the ball. Running was not doing the rams any favors, if they wanted to go easy on them they should of passed the ball. lol

[JoeMcRugby]

Joe Gibbs doesn't mind doing it, though....

1983, Redskins beat Rams 51-7, no media stories.

And ran the ball all 2nd half long.

The score was 38-7 at half.

The Redskins kicked two field goals in the 2nd half - and Darrell Green scored on a 72 yard interception return late in the 4th quarter.

That's it for the second half: 2 figgies and an INT for TD. Yeah, Gibbs ran up the score on that puppy!! :rolleyes:

2007, Redskins beat 49ers 52-17, no media whining.

Since the Skins haven't played the Niners in 2007, I'm guessing you're talking about the 2005 game.

The Skins were ahead 35-0 at half.

In the 2nd half, the 49ers were intercepted on their first possession. Sean Taylor returned it to the 2 yard line. Two runs later, the Skins were ahead 42-0.

On their next possession, the Skins ran the ball 8 consecutive times. Kicked a FG from the Niners 9 yard line. Score with 3:30 left in the 3rd quarter: 45-0.

On their next possession, the Skins ran the ball 3 times and punted.

On their next possession, the Skins ran the ball on all 6 downs on the 41 yard drive. Result: TD. Score 52-0.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=28620&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2005&week=REG7

I'm pretty sure I know what Joe Gibbs was thinking with 12 minutes left in the fourth quarter and the Patriots up 38-0 driving aggressively for another touchdown. And he wasn't very happy about it. If Fox was doing its job at the end of this game, some guy in the truck would have had all cameras focus on the interaction between Belichick and Gibbs at midfield. But we never saw it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/10/28/mmqb/6.html

Good try, but I hate to break it to you: the emperor isn't wearing any clothes (not even a hoodie). ;)

[JoeMcRugby]

About gibbs in 83 that might of been the best running team ever, they ran the ball the way the pats and colts throw the ball. Running was not doing the rams any favors, if they wanted to go easy on them they should of passed the ball. lol

Considering that almost all of Theismann's 18 for 23 day for 302 yards (and 2 TD passes to Art Monk) was accomplished in the 1st half, I'm not so sure of that. ;)

[jtk6]

I just want to make sure that we are all on the same page here? When do you think the pats should of pulled the starters? The last scoring drive by the starters started in the 3rd quarter (18 play drive) I assume you think that taking the starter out mid drive would not happen. With 8 minutes left in the game the back ups came in. IN the second half the pats scored a td from the back up qb scramble (I am sure you agree that young back ups want to show they can play so you let them, if the first team defense of the redskins can't stop him then thats on them) and on a fumble return for td.

The pats running back is just getting back on the field and the set the pats run out of 2-3 tight ends could not happen because they are down to two tight ends one being off the practice squad. Running out of a 3 wide reciever set when the other team knows you are running the ball is a good way to get your running back hurt.

[JoeMcRugby]

I just want to make sure that we are all on the same page here? When do you think the pats should of pulled the starters? The last scoring drive by the starters started in the 3rd quarter (18 play drive) I assume you think that taking the starter out mid drive would not happen. With 8 minutes left in the game the back ups came in. IN the second half the pats scored a td from the back up qb scramble (I am sure you agree that young back ups want to show they can play so you let them, if the first team defense of the redskins can't stop him then thats on them) and on a fumble return for td.

The pats running back is just getting back on the field and the set the pats run out of 2-3 tight ends could not happen because they are down to two tight ends one being off the practice squad. Running out of a 3 wide reciever set when the other team knows you are running the ball is a good way to get your running back hurt.

I'm not talking about pulling the starters. That's an issue for Belichik and how much he dares the football injury gods.

As for playcalling: With a 38-0 lead late in the 3rd quarter, you run the ball three downs up the middle and punt it all 4th quarter long if you can't gain yardage. You certainly don't go for it on 4th and 1 from the 7 yard line with a 38-0 lead and 11 minutes left, then follow it up with a pass from the 2 yard line to put those crucial 7 points to get the lead to 45-0 with 9 minutes left.

If the Pats can't run the ball up the middle and get tackled without their RB getting hurt, I don't know what to say. You don't need TEs to run it up the gut and get tackled - and your backup RBs don't get hurt on the play.

Belichik is simply thumbing his nose at the rest of the NFL - and that's fine and dandy. Just don't get suckered into thinking that this is what teams with class have done for the past 75 years. It's not.

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

lol
I love it when you get it going, JoeMcRugby. :LightsOut:

[Sam Adams]

As for playcalling: With a 38-0 lead late in the 3rd quarter, you run the ball three downs up the middle and punt it all 4th quarter long if you can't gain yardage. You certainly don't pass the ball on 4th and 1. :rolleyes:
Belichick has a looong history of loving to go for it on short yardage 4th downs.

The Redskins game proved to be a scrimmage...you try everything in scrimmages.

[JoeMcRugby]

Belichick has a looong history of loving to go for it on short yardage 4th downs.

The Redskins game proved to be a scrimmage...you try everything in scrimmages.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

Passing the ball from the 2 with 9 minutes left and already holding a 38-0 lead says it all.

You're smarter than that, Sam. Billy's thumbing his nose at the NFL and it's tradition of sportsmanship because he got his hand slapped for cheating.

And I'm not saying that everyone has to disagree with this brand of collegiate running-up-the-score style of play late in the game.

Just acknowledge the truth.

[jtk6]

I'm not talking about pulling the starters. That's an issue for Belichik and how much he dares the football injury gods.

As for playcalling: With a 38-0 lead late in the 3rd quarter, you run the ball three downs up the middle and punt it all 4th quarter long if you can't gain yardage. You certainly don't go for it on 4th and 1 from the 7 yard line with a 38-0 lead and 11 minutes left, then follow it up with a pass from the 2 yard line to put those crucial 7 points to get the lead to 45-0 with 9 minutes left.

If the Pats can't run the ball up the middle and get tackled without their RB getting hurt, I don't know what to say. You don't need TEs to run it up the gut and get tackled - and your backup RBs don't get hurt on the play.

Belichik is simply thumbing his nose at the rest of the NFL - and that's fine and dandy. Just don't get suckered into thinking that this is what teams with class have done for the past 75 years. It's not.

I didn't say that they would get hurt just that there is more a chance of it.


SO they should of kicked the field goal instead of going for it on 4th down?

Give me an example of a class team and I will give you an example of them "running up" the score.

[JoeMcRugby]

I didn't say that they would get hurt just that there is more a chance of it.


SO they should of kicked the field goal instead of going for it on 4th down?

Give me an example of a class team and I will give you an example of them running up the score.

I just spelled out the two examples of Gibbs' Redskin teams "running up the score". They didn't. Gibbs never ran up the score.

For 75 years in the NFL, you get a large lead in the 4th quarter, you run out the clock with runs, punts and FGs (if you're in FG range), get on the bus with your win and move on to the next game.

That template of sportsmanship has been changed. There have been a few who were "different" in Billy's manner: Buddy Ryan and Jerry Glanville come to mind. But not many others.

[jtk6]

According to you kicking field goals is the right thing but according to coaches like parcells, Jimmy Johnson, and Cowler it is not. No offense but I will take their opinion on it.

Check out the box score from gibbs game against the falcons in 1991, they scored 21 4th quarter points two on long td passes. Throwing the ball when its 41-17 in the 4th quarter is classy right?

[jtk6]

When the 9'er in 94 were up 34-14 in the 4th quarter did they need to pass for another td and go for the 2 point conversion, and then score another 10 points after that?

George Seifert = classless?

[nshep42]

the patriots are accrueing WAY too much bad karma for them to win the Super Bowl this year.

You can't continually run up the score before some team's version of Shawne Merriman flips out and stomps on Brady's head/neck/knee/etc.

Seriously, i have played against teams who do this, and it almost never fails that somehow one of their stars limps off the field with a season ending injury. If that stuff disrespects at the pop warner, high school, and collegiate level, don't try to sell me that people who's whole livelihood is based on how well they play football don't get mad at bad sportsmanship.

What they are doing is not only disrespectful, unsportsmanlike, and wrong...its plain embarassing to see a grown man so blatantly kick others when they are down like Bellicheat does.

If he thinks that by blowing teams out he will win back some of that HOF support he lost by cheating for YEARS, then he's wrong.

I would never vote for someone so classless to represent the game of football at it's absolute pinnacle.

Bellicheck, Brady, Colvin, etc are ruining the integrity of their team, and the fact that the players buy into it only proves LT's point...they're a classless organization and it indeed does come from their coach.

What he's doing is beyond Al Davis evil. Look what happened to the Faiderz.

[jtk6]

1984 niners

up 27-0 in the 4th did they really need montana to throw another td to make it 35-0?


Bill walsh = classless?

[Sam Adams]

For 75 years in the NFL, you get a large lead in the 4th quarter, you run out the clock with runs, punts and FGs (if you're in FG range), get on the bus with your win and move on to the next game.

75 years of tradition unhindered by progress. Sounds like the Republican party.

[grunt1058]

Do we really need yet ANOTHER thread dedicated to the Patriots in the "Chargers" forum?

[Kelverin]

Do we really need yet ANOTHER thread dedicated to the Patriots in the "Chargers" forum?No. Not really do we play them?

[Sam Adams]

Excellent...another Patriot thread. You guys have more Patriot threads than the Patriots board. They're in your heads....LOL.

[JoeMcRugby]

75 years of tradition unhindered by progress. Sounds like the Republican party.

Getting rid of sportsmanship is "progress"?

Not in my book.

Sportsmanship always has had - and will have - a place in athletic competition for those who respect the game. :Beer:

[Toad]

Getting rid of sportsmanship is "progress"?

Not in my book.

Sportsmanship always has had - and will have - a place in athletic competition for those who respect the game. :Beer:

Amen! :Cheers:

[JoeMcRugby]

When the 9'er in 94 were up 34-14 in the 4th quarter did they need to pass for another td and go for the 2 point conversion, and then score another 10 points after that?

George Seifert = classless?

Up by 20 points in the 4th quarter is not game over.

Up by 38 points is.

You're facing a losing battle, jtk6. Everyone without rose-colored glasses knows exactly what Billy is doing - including Billy. And he doesn't give a damn what others think of it.

Que sera, sera.

[grunt1058]

Excellent...another Patriot thread. You guys have more Patriot threads than the Patriots board. They're in your heads....LOL.

No doubt. I don't mind the Patriots. I like what they are doing. Keep it up. This year should belong to them. (or the Colts).

But, still hopping my boys pull off some miracle juju and take the cake. :D

[OCLightzOut]

Excellent...another Patriot thread. You guys have more Patriot threads than the Patriots board. They're in your heads....LOL.

I got to agree with you there, its getting sad how much of an impact that the Patriots are having on other teams and the Chargers especially. Love them hate them whatever but nothing has changed. Its like everyday someone tries to find something else to motivate hatred when it is useless because we arent playing them anytime soon (soonest would be January). Yeah I too think they are running up the score but if its so bad then someone should get mad enough to do something about it...i dont wish injury on anyone but if Brady is in there in the 4th why not put a little more into a hit take a penalty to razzle him and shut up about it already. They will do it until they are stopped and theres no point in complaining about it everyday. Not saying the whole chargers board is whining but i think we can all agree that its getting a little absurd...

I never said anything about the Patriots ordeal on here, and here i post about not giving them attention and i rant about the Patriots :). But really, respect their feats not the team and let it go until we have to face them again:LightsOut:

[Sam Adams]

No doubt. I don't mind the Patriots. I like what they are doing. Keep it up. This year should belong to them. (or the Colts).

But, still hopping my boys pull off some miracle juju and take the cake. :DAnyone who has been around football knows anything can happen, and it probably will.

[DBBoltsfan17]

Excellent...another Patriot thread. You guys have more Patriot threads than the Patriots board. They're in your heads....LOL.
negative

patriots are cheaters and have no class

this should be discussed everywhere all the time

but the colts will beat you this week, so im not worried.

:LightsOut:

[JoeMcRugby]

According to you kicking field goals is the right thing but according to coaches like parcells, Jimmy Johnson, and Cowler it is not. No offense but I will take their opinion on it.

Check out the box score from gibbs game against the falcons in 1991, they scored 21 4th quarter points two on long td passes. Throwing the ball when its 41-17 in the 4th quarter is classy right?

You're talking about the 24-7 playoff game against the Falcons in 1991? You know, the only time that the Redskins ever faced them in the playoffs?

Please, stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Accept it like Billy does - he's rubbing it in the opponents' faces - and he doesn't give a damn what you, I or anyone else thinks about the tactic.

[LaDeezie21]

Excellent...another Patriot thread. You guys have more Patriot threads than the Patriots board. They're in your heads....LOL.

They are not only in our heads but they are quickly getting into a lot of players heads as well. If you heard Godfreys comments this morning about wanting to getting to Brady once they were running the score on them. then you'd understand that teams especially those who probably don't have much to lose will try to hurt some of your players.

I wouldn't be so proud of the Patriots accomplishments. It's not like anyone is looking at what you guys are doing and admiring it.

[jtk6]

You're talking about the 24-7 playoff game against the Falcons in 1991? You know, the only time that the Redskins ever faced them in the playoffs?

Please, stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Accept it like Billy does - he's rubbing it in the opponents' faces - and he doesn't give a damn what you, I or anyone else thinks about the tactic.


What? Week 11 washington 56 atlanta 17 11/10/1991. Not sure what you are talking about.

[JoeMcRugby]

If by chance you're talking about the 1991 NFC Championship Game against the Lions:

You're talking about the game where the Skins went into halftime with an insurpassible 17-10 lead?

Then a 3rd quarter 45 yard "piling it on" TD pass thrown to give the Skins an incredible 3rd quarter lead of 27-10?

Then the "needless" 21 yard TD pass in the mid-4th quarter to move the lead from 17 to 24 points?

And finally: Darrell Green doing the unthinkable once again by daring to intercept a pass and return it 32 yards for a TD to make the final score 41-10?

Yep. Classless Gibbs "pouring it on". :rolleyes:

Give it up - you're really embarrassing yourself.

[jtk6]

Up by 20 points in the 4th quarter is not game over.

Up by 38 points is.

You're facing a losing battle, jtk6. Everyone without rose-colored glasses knows exactly what Billy is doing - including Billy. And he doesn't give a damn what others think of it.

Que sera, sera.


You know the pats took out the starters when it was 38-0 right? So your point is what?

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

Give it up - you're really embarrassing yourself.
Lol
Or as Sulu once said.
When you cross swords with Mr. Spock, you lose every time.

Edit: I think it was;
When you cross brains with Mr. Spock, you lose every time.

[jtk6]

If by chance you're talking about the 1991 NFC Championship Game against the Lions:

You're talking about the game where the Skins went into halftime with an insurpassible 17-10 lead?

Then a 3rd quarter 45 yard "piling it on" TD pass thrown to give the Skins an incredible 3rd quarter lead of 27-10?

Then the "needless" 21 yard TD pass in the mid-4th quarter to move the lead from 17 to 24 points?

And finally: Darrell Green doing the unthinkable once again by daring to intercept a pass and return it 32 yards for a TD to make the final score 41-10?

Yep. Classless Gibbs "pouring it on". :rolleyes:

Give it up - you're really embarrassing yourself.

How are you mixing up falcons and lions?

[JoeMcRugby]

What? Week 11 washington 56 atlanta 17 11/10/1991. Not sure what you are talking about.

The final score is a 39 point spread. :rolleyes:

I'd love to see that boxscore with the play by play.

Can you forward it to me?

[JoeMcRugby]

How are you mixing up falcons and lions?

I'm not. I was assuming you were talking about a blowout before the Skins passed the ball late (allegedly - looking for confirmation).

Those allegedly late scores only equaled the spread where Billy was just beginning to pile it on.

Give me the box score with the play by play of that game. I'd love to look at it.

I'm willing to bet that Gibbs was throwing the ball on every down. :rolleyes:

[jtk6]

Wait you can get all the other ones but you can not get that one? Weird. I was going to ask you where you got yours from.

[ch-cha-charger]

I would not wish any harm to a player or a team. I think the pats are playing the best football right now and they are shoving it in your face. It would be just that much better if you beat a team at its best. But for some reason if the Colts win next week I still would not have a hatred for the Colts because they are just a classier org. Hard to feel that way for the Pats though.

[jtk6]

I'm not. I was assuming you were talking about a blowout before the Skins passed the ball late (allegedly - looking for confirmation).

Those allegedly late scores only equaled the spread where Billy was just beginning to pile it on.

Give me the box score with the play by play of that game. I'd love to look at it.

I'm willing to bet that Gibbs was throwing the ball on every down. :rolleyes:

Really the starters were out when it was 38-0. Nice try though.

[JoeMcRugby]

You know the pats took out the starters when it was 38-0 right? So your point is what?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... it was 38-0 with 11 minutes left when Brady took the QB sneak on the 4th and 1.

It was still 38-0 when Brady threw the ball to Welker for the 2 yard TD pass, making it 45-0.

I guess I'm clueless, but I assumed that Brady, Welker, Moss and the bunch were starters.

:rolleyes:

[LaDeezie21]

I would not wish any harm to a player or a team. I think the pats are playing the best football right now and they are shoving it in your face. It would be just that much better if you beat a team at its best. But for some reason if the Colts win next week I still would not have a hatred for the Colts because they are just a classier org. Hard to feel that way for the Pats though.

I don't think anyone outside of New England would.

Those players coaches know how to conduct themselves both when they win AND lose.

They set a great example.

[Sam Adams]

I wouldn't be so proud of the Patriots accomplishments. It's not like anyone is looking at what you guys are doing and admiring it.Now that's downright funny.

[jtk6]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... it was 38-0 with 11 minutes left when Brady took the QB sneak on the 4th and 1.

It was still 38-0 when Brady threw the ball to Welker for the 2 yard TD pass, making it 45-0.

I guess I'm clueless, but I assumed that Brady, Welker, Moss and the bunch were starters.

:rolleyes:


ooops you'r right I am wrong, your the best I am the worst. :Beer:

[JoeMcRugby]

You know the pats took out the starters when it was 38-0 right? So your point is what?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?game_id=29308&displayPage=tab_box_score&season=2007&week=REG8

Welker TD reception from Tom Brady:

Score: 45-0

[jtk6]

see above.

[LaDeezie21]

Now that's downright funny.

I wouldn't be so confident man. It will only make your teams fall that much more painful.

You guys can't stay on top for ever...

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

Fascinating
more, please!

[jtk6]

What are we even talking about anymore. Listen was that last TD needed, no. Most teams will not take out their starters until the mid point of the 4th quarter, when the starters are in there they are going to play hard.

I could scour old box scores all day but I did not see the game so I can't tell how the game played out and if I go back far enough I will have trouble even picking who the starters are. lol

[PotatoMAN]

I found the coverage map for the afternoon football game this week to be amusing.

http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-09-CBS2.html

[SD4ME]

Hey, Pats are a good team. There is no Karma, there is no football god. There is the players and their talent and their willingness to perform.

If they Pats go and win the bowl, so be it. But what team has the determination to beat them? That is the question.

[kinch]

Excellent...another Patriot thread. You guys have more Patriot threads than the Patriots board.

What he said. Give it a rest people and enough with the superstitions and sentimentalities. The only thing that matters is who wins the game. Feelings stopped being significant after grade school.

[Sam Adams]

I wouldn't be so confident man. It will only make your teams fall that much more painful.

You guys can't stay on top for ever...It's going to take a whole lot to beat the pain of the 86 Super Bowl.

No team stays on top forever...that's why you have to enjoy the ride while the train is steaming full speed ahead. So far this century the ride has been pretty good.

How's your ride been?

[Padre Tomlinson]

I wouldn't be so confident man. It will only make your teams fall that much more painful.

You guys can't stay on top for ever...

He'll just switch to what ever team is winning. He's not much of a real fan. just a bandwagoner

[Padre Tomlinson]

It's going to take a whole lot to beat the pain of the 86 Super Bowl.

No team stays on top forever...that's why you have to enjoy the ride while the train is steaming full speed ahead. So far this century the ride has been pretty good.

How's your ride been?


hahahahahahahahaah! like you were a fan in 86. quit faking like you watch football.

[JoeMcRugby]

What are we even talking about anymore. Listen was that last TD needed, no. Most teams will not take out their starters until the mid point of the 4th quarter, when the starters are in there they are going to play hard.

I could scour old box scores all day but I did not see the game so I can't tell how the game played out and if I go back far enough I will have trouble even picking who the starters are. lol

When was the last TD? What was the score? What kind of pass was it - short with lots of YAC (a common occurrrence for Gary Clarke)?

All I know is that Gary Clarke caught 4 passes in that game - for 202 yards and 3 TDs. Maybe he should have fallen down in the 39 point win.

That's as far as my memory takes me back.

As a long-time Skins fan, I always remember Gibbs running the ball and holding down the score once the game was in hand.

You and I have never seen him do what was done on Sunday - and you won't hear him say a word about Billy's actions either.

[JoeMcRugby]

Found it:

The score late in the 3rd quarter of the Falcons-Skins regular season game in 1991:

Redskins 28
Falcons 17

With the untouchable 11-point lead, the Skins hit on 3 TD passes in the 4th quarter: Monk for 19 yards, Clark for 82 yards and Monk for 64 yards (on both of Monk's TDs, the defender was flagged for PI - but Monk still made the catches).

In a common theme with the Redskin blowouts, Gibbs "piled on" to the 32 point lead when Collins returned an INT 15 yards to close out the scoring.

[knottyone]

It's going to take a whole lot to beat the pain of the 86 Super Bowl.

No team stays on top forever...that's why you have to enjoy the ride while the train is steaming full speed ahead. So far this century the ride has been pretty good.

How's your ride been?

The ride has been good. Thanks for asking. The Chargers endured some pretty lean years but have righted the ship and they are heading in the right direction. The best part about fielding a winning team is that we didn't have to compromise our integrity to do so.

Go Bolts!

[1.21Gigawatts]

I would not wish any harm to a player or a team. I think the pats are playing the best football right now and they are shoving it in your face. It would be just that much better if you beat a team at its best. But for some reason if the Colts win next week I still would not have a hatred for the Colts because they are just a classier org. Hard to feel that way for the Pats though.
I like your avatar.

[Chargers 2008]

Excellent...another Patriot thread. You guys have more Patriot threads than the Patriots board. They're in your heads....LOL.

How would you know how many Patriots threads are at the Patriots board. You are always here. Admit it Sam you are a closet Charger Fan. It's ok just come out and say it you know you want to.

[TheCharge]

Now that's downright funny.

Laugh. Yes. But there is some truth that while the Patriots are a staggeringly good football team, they haven't historically acquired much admiration. Neither to their players, owners, or staff.

Sad Adams, might I refer you to exhibits A and B:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH8vS3u2Cc8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INBayZpjeSY

There's simply no defense for this. We all know what happened that year.

[LaDeezie21]

He'll just switch to what ever team is winning. He's not much of a real fan. just a bandwagoner

Oh really? Oh then now I know.

Sorry for wasting my time Sam. Keep on dude.

[The Moekid]

What is bad sports karma?

[Sam Adams]

Laugh. Yes. But there is some truth that while the Patriots are a staggeringly good football team, they haven't historically acquired much admiration. Neither to their players, owners, or staff.

Sad Adams, might I refer you to exhibits A and B:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH8vS3u2Cc8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INBayZpjeSY

There's simply no defense for this. We all know what happened that year.I appreciate all your exhibits and thank you very much for doing the research.

The Steelers weren't well liked, and the Cowboys have always taken heat, Elway was ridiculed, and the Raiders are thugs....that's what happens to the frontrunners, my friend.

When the Chargers reach the pinnacle, and I'm sure they will, watch the mouth breath and scorn attach themsleves to anything your team does.

But we will both remain fans. With the wins comes the scorn. Every knock is a plug, and in the end none of it really matters.

But hang in there. Your time will come.

[Sam Adams]

The ride has been good. Thanks for asking. The Chargers endured some pretty lean years but have righted the ship and they are heading in the right direction. The best part about fielding a winning team is that we didn't have to compromise our integrity to do so.

Go Bolts!Merriman had no problems last year with compromises....hey...I didn't start it.

[TheCharge]

I appreciate all your exhibits and thank you very much for doing the research.

The Steelers weren't well liked, and the Cowboys have always taken heat, Elway was ridiculed, and the Raiders are thugs....that's what happens to the frontrunners, my friend.

When the Chargers reach the pinnacle, and I'm sure they will, watch the mouth breath and scorn attach themsleves to anything your team does.

But we will both remain fans. With the wins comes the scorn. Every knock is a plug, and in the end none of it really matters.

But hang in there. Your time will come.

C'mon man. There was no excuse for those videos! I've seen better film on teeth. But I can say I do respect the Pats despite our differences. They certainly aren't as hate-able as the Raiders.

[Bolts Super Fan]

Why are the Colts winning and nobody talking about them? It's because they win with class.
Why are the Patriots winning and EVERYONE talking about them? It's because...
Well, you've got the point. If not, you're either a Patriots or a Raiders fan.

[Sam Adams]

Why are the Colts winning and nobody talking about them? It's because they win with class.
Why are the Patriots winning and EVERYONE talking about them? It's because...
Well, you've got the point. If not, you're either a Patriots or a Raiders fan.And what do you specifically remember about anything the Colts have done this season?

[knottyone]

Merriman had no problems last year with compromises....hey...I didn't start it.

The integrity of the game was never compromised by his failed test because it happened before training camp started. Belicheat on the other hand knowingly cheated, was warned he would be outed if he continued to cheat, and yet he continued to cheat. I guess maybe that is why Rodney felt it was okay to take HGH. The precedent of rule breaking was set at the top and trickled down to the players.

I actually feel bad for all the Patsie fans because now their beloved organization has been exposed as nothing more than classless cheats and frauds.

Asterisks for all my Patsie friends! ***

Go Bolts!

[Chargers 2008]

And what do you specifically remember about anything the Colts have done this season?

do you even watch football?

[knottyone]

And what do you specifically remember about anything the Colts have done this season?

Winning football games w.o cheating, or compromising their integrity, comes to mind.

Go Bolts!

[SDBornNRaised]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

Passing the ball from the 2 with 9 minutes left and already holding a 38-0 lead says it all.

You're smarter than that, Sam. Billy's thumbing his nose at the NFL and it's tradition of sportsmanship because he got his hand slapped for cheating.

And I'm not saying that everyone has to disagree with this brand of collegiate running-up-the-score style of play late in the game.

Just acknowledge the truth.

quoted for truth.

and to acknowledge that Sam Adams still has not acknowledged the fact which at this point has become so painfully obvious.

man up Sam. you'll be a step ahead of your teams coach if you can just dig deep and find some integrity.

respect.

[TONYD1]

I think it just that bellicheat is pissed off that the NFL took away his Film(Advantage) he has over the teams he plays twice a year knowing what their signals are. That could include the Charger for a second time in the playoffs.

[Nater]

What they are doing is indefensible. All instances that are being brought up are from many years ago and never in consecutive games. With New England, you have their season as it stands where each game it looks like Bill is rubbing the other team's nose in it.
Yeah, occasionally its good to pad your teams scoring and stats, but doing it every week just makes you seem like even more of a poor sport and that there IS a chip on your shoulder.

[Brady2Mosss]

you guys are some whinners, stop crying losers take it like a man if you are one.
lol, wishing injuries on the pats hhahahhahahahahahahahhahahah

[Sam Adams]

quoted for truth.

and to acknowledge that Sam Adams still has not acknowledged the fact which at this point has become so painfully obvious.

man up Sam. you'll be a step ahead of your teams coach if you can just dig deep and find some integrity.

respect.Whatever you say. Hell, how can I argue with the kind or argumentation skills you possess?

I like Belichick, and I like Brady, and I like the Patriots....next.

[Sam Adams]

Winning football games w.o cheating, or compromising their integrity, comes to mind.

Go Bolts!No, no, knotty...specifically. What have you remembered about the Colts game this year?

[Chargers 2008]

No, no, knotty...specifically. What have you remembered about the Colts game this year?


Do you think because the Patriots are winning games by a large margin it makes them different or special?

Maybe you should try watching football and you'll realize that it doesn't matter if you win by one point or 30 it still only counts for 1 W.

[Chargers 2008]

I think Sam Adams is a closet Charger fan. He is always here. Its ok Sam your secret is safe with us. No need to pretend anymore.

[knottyone]

No, no, knotty...specifically. What have you remembered about the Colts game this year?

I remember thinking Addai is a hell of a lot better RB than Maroney appears to be.

I also remember that Dungy's team wins w. class and professionalism.

Go Bolts!

[Brady2Mosss]

the chargers are the girlyess team i've ever seen in my life. they cry foul when they lose. lol

[SD4ME]

the chargers are the girlyess team i've ever seen in my life. they cry foul when they lose. lol

Someone left the kiddie door open again......

[Chargers 2008]

Someone left the kiddie door open again......


I think Sam Adams went to call for back up.

[SD4ME]

I think Sam Adams went to call for back up.

I don't know he usually takes things in stride.

[MOCHARGERFAN]

For me. All the wins in the patriots recent past are questionable due to
their use of the spy vs spy video fiasco. I give props for their effort so far
after being caught c h e a t i n g. Hopefully they arent using old taped spy footage.
In the meantime, I will just wait for any team to step up and clean the patsies plow. Then hopefully chase it down with a pats loss in the playoffs.:Beer: Hummm...I think the Chargers got in sAmeones...err someones head.

[vheman]

I'm not taking part in any more Patriots-related threads.
Dang! I just did.

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

I think Sam Adams is a closet Charger fan. He is always here. Its ok Sam your secret is safe with us. No need to pretend anymore.
I think that he is just a closet.

[Sam Adams]

I think that he is just a closet. Pone, don't think. It gets you into trouble.

[Patriot_Reign]

What they are doing is indefensible. All instances that are being brought up are from many years ago and never in consecutive games. With New England, you have their season as it stands where each game it looks like Bill is rubbing the other team's nose in it.
Yeah, occasionally its good to pad your teams scoring and stats, but doing it every week just makes you seem like even more of a poor sport and that there IS a chip on your shoulder.

So running up the score in the past is ok, or every now and again is ok, but doing it in the present and consistently is bad. That seems like a gray line.

I don't see what's so to understand, it's about improving every week. The players play one game a week - and the coach chooses to use that time to continue to work on his starter's play execution.

Some of you act like the opposing teams have taken all of their players off the field while the Pats just run around playing toss.

C'mon people, the players are all millionaires, if they don't like it why don't they man up and play some D. Players like Godfrey sound like losers with their "they better hope we don't see them again!" talk. Guess what, you just did see them and you had your chance.

[SDBornNRaised]

Whatever you say. Hell, how can I argue with the kind or argumentation skills you possess?

I like Belichick, and I like Brady, and I like the Patriots....next.

I like integrity, and I like sportsmanship, and I like the Chargers...

I suppose that makes us polar opposites sir.

respect.

[SDBornNRaised]

So running up the score in the past is ok, or every now and again is ok, but doing it in the present and consistently is bad. That seems like a gray line.

I don't see what's so to understand, it's about improving every week. The players play one game a week - and the coach chooses to use that time to continue to work on his starter's play execution.

Some of you act like the opposing teams have taken all of their players off the field while the Pats just run around playing toss.

C'mon people, the players are all millionaires, if they don't like it why don't they man up and play some D. Players like Godfrey sound like losers with their "they better hope we don't see them again!" talk. Guess what, you just did see them and you had your chance.


and yet another Patriots fan dances around the issue(s).

priceless.

respect.

[JoeMcRugby]

So running up the score in the past is ok, or every now and again is ok, but doing it in the present and consistently is bad. That seems like a gray line.

I don't see what's so to understand, it's about improving every week. The players play one game a week - and the coach chooses to use that time to continue to work on his starter's play execution.

Some of you act like the opposing teams have taken all of their players off the field while the Pats just run around playing toss.

C'mon people, the players are all millionaires, if they don't like it why don't they man up and play some D. Players like Godfrey sound like losers with their "they better hope we don't see them again!" talk. Guess what, you just did see them and you had your chance.

No gray line: 38-0 with 11 minutes left, you don't pass for more points.

Godfrey has been a silent team leader wherever he's been. You didn't hear a peep out of him after his sister was brutally murdered. He's teed off - and rightfully so.

This is the tip of the iceburg as far as other players are concerned. If Godfrey is saying it in the press, then there are a hell of a lot of players with the same feelings around the league.

For the Patriots sake, I hope that an opposing defensive linemen doesn't "Vince Wilfork" Mr. Brady's knee after the ball has long left his hand.

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

For the Patriots sake, I hope that an opposing defensive linemen doesn't "Vince Wilfork" Mr. Brady's knee after the ball has long left his hand.
Well, you can say what you want about us fans, but our Mods are classy.
I'm not hoping for it, but I'm not saying a prayer for him either.

[jtk6]

Or florenced, but he would have to throw a pick for that to happen.

The pats could of put up 20 more points in that game if they wanted to. What you guys are not seeing is that the pats are taking the foot off the other teams neck. They were running the ball with their 4th string running back in early in the third quarter, think that happens in a tight game? But everyone wants to cry because they are not good enough, and blame the pats for not taking it easy on them like this is some little girls t-ball league where everyone wins and they don't keep score.

Whatever, cry away with your "no class" and "disrespecting the game" bs. I will just laugh everytime Moss and welker scores because according to most of you guys on here moss was a cancer and done and welker was over rated.

[JoeMcRugby]

The pats could of put up 20 more points in that game if they wanted to. What you guys are not seeing is that the pats are taking the foot off the other teams neck. They were running the ball with their 4th string running back in early in the third quarter, think that happens in a tight game? But everyone wants to cry because they are not good enough, and blame the pats for not taking it easy on them like this is some little girls t-ball league where everyone wins and they don't keep score.

Whatever, cry away with your "no class" and "disrespecting the game" bs. I will just laugh everytime Moss and welker scores because according to most of you guys on here moss was a cancer and done and welker was over rated.

Welker was overrated.

1 TD reception in 3 years as a pro does that for you. He's a nice slot receiver who can make plays when he has other receivers taking away the attention. We'll see what happens next year.

As for Moss: the cancer part I wasn't so certain about surfacing during the one-year rental. I didn't expect his body to resurrect from the grave. Kudos to Randy.

As for the subject: it's not "us" crying. It's Billy being Billy. So be it - he doesn't give a damn about what people think, so carry on. :Beer:

[JoeMcRugby]

Or florenced, but he would have to throw a pick for that to happen.



I think Brady could deal with being woozy for a few minutes rather than having his knee taken out. ;)

[jtk6]

Was a good hit have to say. Stupid rule, after the qb throws the pick he should just fall to the ground and go into the fetal position if not he is open game.

[PR17]

Billicheat doesn't really care about his players obviously since he is keeping them inthe 4th quarter, he just cares about proving everyone wrong about himself cuz he got caught cheating. If Brady gets hurt then you pat fans can blame it on Bellicheat. Becuz there are people in the NFL that will take a cheap shot and a fine. Pats still have to play the ravens, do u think Ray Lewis is gonne let that happen without his team taking a shot at one of their players?

[jtk6]

I think the ravens will actually play some D and we will not have to worry about it.



Here is a solution. Play D.



What is worse for a defense to be getting out played by another team or playing against a practice squad while the other teams starters are on the sidelines making dinner plans?

[The Patriot]

Karma may come back to bite us but so what? We're already up 3 Superbowls. Now all we are doing is making sure everybody knows that. Besides, I like playing the roll of the 'Evil Empire' for a change. All this Underdog stuff really gets old after a championship or three.

[Shamrock]

Billy Belicheaters' apologists don't have a leg to stand on ......

[perryao]

I like integrity, and I like sportsmanship, and I like the Chargers...

I suppose that makes us polar opposites sir.

respect.SDBNR, great post. Indeed, it seems one must waive ethics completely to be a Patriot fan these days. Incredible what I read from these guys. I seriously crack up at their attempts to rationalise their team's, and their team's coach's, actions. I like to think I would not sell my soul, as they seem to have, for a few SBs by my favorite team.

pao

[SJSUPhil]

The words Class and Bellicheat don't belong in the same article. He has NONE!

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

The words Class and Bellicheat don't belong in the same article. He has NONE!
Lol
You just put them together with only ‘and’ in-between.
Shame on you.

[Chargeroo]

If the Pats showed up with guns and started shooting the other team these Pats fans would credit Billicheat with being clever. I'm really sick of the Pats fans, they must be the most arrogant fans on Earth.

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

2 deaths to report.
Robert Goulet died in a hospital apparently waiting for a lung transplant that never came.


http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/31/goulet_cage_wideweb__470x386,0.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/robert-goulet-dead-at-73/2007/10/31/1193618955347.html

Scientists accidently kill the worlds oldest creature, a 400 year old clam.
Radio report, no link.

[SanDiegosOnFire]

2 deaths to report.
Robert Goulet died in a hospital apparently waiting for a lung transplant that never came.


http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/31/goulet_cage_wideweb__470x386,0.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/robert-goulet-dead-at-73/2007/10/31/1193618955347.html

Scientists accidently kill the worlds oldest creature, a 400 year old clam.
Radio report, no link.
Hahaha. How do you "accidently kill" a 400 year old clam.

Goulet!

[Shamrock]

Scientists accidently kill the worlds oldest creature, a 400 year old clam.
Radio report, no link.



Scientists Find Oldest Living Animal, Then Kill It (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,306076,00.html)

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

Scientists Find Oldest Living Animal, Then Kill It (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,306076,00.html)Thanks ^

Hahaha. How do you "accidently kill" a 400 year old clam.

Goulet!

Robert Goulet, in his 70s. Probably you’re too young to know.
They pulled the clam up and cut into him before they realized how old he was. him/her?

[SanDiegosOnFire]

Thanks ^

Hahaha. How do you "accidently kill" a 400 year old clam.

Goulet!

Robert Goulet, in his 70s. Probably you’re too young to know.
They pulled the clam up and cut into him before they realized how old he was. him/her?

The only reason I have ever heard of Robert Goulet before now is this video...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p2zRGQX2QLo
and of course when Will Ferrel goes on Conan O'Brien acting as Goulet.

[Nater]

So running up the score in the past is ok, or every now and again is ok, but doing it in the present and consistently is bad. That seems like a gray line.

I don't see what's so to understand, it's about improving every week. The players play one game a week - and the coach chooses to use that time to continue to work on his starter's play execution.

Some of you act like the opposing teams have taken all of their players off the field while the Pats just run around playing toss.

C'mon people, the players are all millionaires, if they don't like it why don't they man up and play some D. Players like Godfrey sound like losers with their "they better hope we don't see them again!" talk. Guess what, you just did see them and you had your chance.

Yes, it's 'okay'. It's not 'Great', 'Awesome', or even 'Commendable'. Its an obvious attempt to garner praise, and in this case some would speculate, to overshadow wrong-doings.

Nobody said that the Patriots players themselves arent outstanding. In fact, everybody's recognized and repeatedly stated how potent the Patriots' air attack is this season. That's the part that us non-patriots fans are sick of hearing about... and it gets worse with every passing week... worse with every new patriots fan that falls from the sky to deliver unto us, the heathenistic chargers fans (on our own forum, no less) how mighty the patriots are to behold.

Those other teams players? Yeah, they're there... but not in spirit. There's a reason they've not been productive against the Patriots, being demoralized and facing a strong momentum will take a player out of the game.. regardless of how fat their paycheck may be.

Nobody's begging for mercy. Nobody's saying that it's illegal in any sense.
It's just that WE GET IT, so stop being as much a poorsport as Billicheat.

[thumper300zx]

I didn't want to start a new thread, but this was from CBS Forums in a thread talking about the Pats (yeah, it's all over the place) -- it was another one of their pointless attempts to excuse the lack of class they are considered to portray...

"LaDainian Tomlinson (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/235249) complains every day about the Patriots (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/page/NE) having no class. Has anyone ever watched him play. He's the biggest hypocrite. He talks so much trash on the field it is ridiculous. People wonder why he wears a tinted visor. The Patriots go out and let their play do the talking."

That had me LMAO.

[jtk6]

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_1797_Skeletons_in_the_closet.html

[jtk6]

Hahaha. How do you "accidently kill" a 400 year old clam.

Goulet!



boilng water and butter?

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

The only reason I have ever heard of Robert Goulet before now is this video...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p2zRGQX2QLo
and of course when Will Ferrel goes on Conan O'Brien acting as Goulet.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zgymlCMpPM0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UmAHygrXc7s

[SDynasty]

I had a thread talking about the pats running it up an dgetting somebody hurt becasue belichick is a whack nut job.

Now today Rome is saying the exact same thing Ive said. Brady or Moss will go down to cheap shot as vigilante justice. I can t wait to see it so I can laugh out loud and say I told you (pats fans) so :Bolt::Beer:

[thumper300zx]

I had a thread talking about the pats running it up an dgetting somebody hurt becasue belichick is a whack nut job.

Now today Rome is saying the exact same thing Ive said. Brady or Moss will go down to cheap shot as vigilante justice. I can t wait to see it so I can laugh out loud and say I told you (pats fans) so :Bolt::Beer:

Everyone is speculating some third stringer taking out his $150,000 salary on Brady, and therefore an injury -- I have to wonder if the Pats will try to streamroll through the Colts, then say they've proved their point, having handled all the hyped teams (Chargers early, then Cowboys, then Colts).

Then they could have their cake and eat it, too.

If an injury does come about because of spite, what do we say?

"They're just out there doing what they're paid to do." Just like Vrabel and Seau are on the roster as running backs. LOL.

[LightsOut4ever]

from this article http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/10/30/pats.running.up/index.html

But for now, the Patriots, their pride wounded, their sense of accomplishment and honor challenged, are determined to leave no doubt about their supremacy this season. They don't want to just win. They want to dominate. Even humiliate, in return for the humiliation they feel they were forced to endure.

For the cheating? ......I believe it's their own fault if you cheated and felt humiliated about it -- they did it to themselves.

The Patriot, I commend you on being honest -- the "we're not getting respect" crap before their 04 SB win was crap.

[Chargeroo]

I wonder how the Patsie fans would feel about running up the score if Peyton got hot and Dungy let him run it up on their team? I bet they'd hum a different tune them!

Come to think of it, I bet we'd hum a different tune if we had the opportunity to do that to the Patsies. ......... but not to the Skins. Oh well, no-one ever said Bellicheat is a good sport.

[LightsOut4ever]

Even if not be vigilante justice, keeping the starts in even when they don't need to is risking injuries that happen normally.

[Sam Adams]

I wonder how the Patsie fans would feel about running up the score if Peyton got hot and Dungy let him run it up on their team? I bet they'd hum a different tune them!

Come to think of it, I bet we'd hum a different tune if we had the opportunity to do that to the Patsies. ......... but not to the Skins. Oh well, no-one ever said Bellicheat is a good sport.Slow day, Chargeroo?

[Sam Adams]

Even if not be vigilante justice, keeping the starts in even when they don't need to is risking injuries that happen normally.I'm sure he will try to be more careful in future games.

Thanks for the feedback.

[Sam Adams]

Here's a gem from the Charger memory banks...

"Steve Young threw a record six TD passes in Super Bowl XXIX, the last in the fourth quarter with his team sporting a comfortable 42-18 lead against the overmatched 11-5 Chargers"

[Sam Adams]

And for those whiney Dolphin fans.."Miami fans say New England rubbed two weeks ago it in by pulling Tom Brady and then putting him back in the game to lead the Patriots to another score."

"The famous undefeated Dolphins didn't even offer the pathetic Patriots (who went 3-11) a single glimmer of hope that year. In fact, Miami reserved its biggest beating for its northern rivals: the Dolphins won, 52-0."

Here's the entire article....good read.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_1797_Skeletons_in_the_closet.html

[Chargeroo]

Slow day, Chargeroo?
For me, no day is too slow to hate the Patsies.

[Chargeroo]

And for those whiney Dolphin fans.."Miami fans say New England rubbed two weeks ago it in by pulling Tom Brady and then putting him back in the game to lead the Patriots to another score."

"The famous undefeated Dolphins didn't even offer the pathetic Patriots (who went 3-11) a single glimmer of hope that year. In fact, Miami reserved its biggest beating for its northern rivals: the Dolphins won, 52-0."

Here's the entire article....good read.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_1797_Skeletons_in_the_closet.html
You've been busy as a cat on a hot tin roof looking for some ancient history to support your cheating, low life HC haven't you?

Let me help you out - here's another. This ones from Jan., 1964;

Keith Lincoln accounts for 349 yards of total offense as Chargers win AFL championship, defeating Boston 51-10, before 30,127 persons in Balboa Stadium.

[Sam Adams]

You've been busy as a cat on a hot tin roof looking for some ancient history to support your cheating, low life HC haven't you?

Let me help you out - here's another. This ones from Jan., 1964;

Keith Lincoln accounts for 349 yards of total offense as Chargers win AFL championship, defeating Boston 51-10, before 30,127 persons in Balboa Stadium.Exactly. You too make my point.

So, why are the Patriots being taken across the coals for running up the score against a winning team who will probably be in the playoffs and have been touted as having one of the better defenses in the league?

And while you're making accusations where did the Patriots cheat against the Redskins, Cowboys, Dolphins, and Chargers?

Pray tell.

[madman]

I hear that!! Send in a 3rd stringer and have them upper cut Brady! That would kick ass

[Sam Adams]

For me, no day is too slow to hate the Patsies.Wow...life must be getting grimmer every day for you.

Sincerest consolences.

[Shamrock]

I hear that!! Send in a 3rd stringer and have them upper cut Brady! That would kick ass



Go "Gillooly" on Tom Brady's knee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naVZyTXOqes) - YouTube video

Do the Pats realize the momentum is building in the NFL fandom for someone to actually do it? I've never seen fans collectively wish for an injury on a player - ever. Yet, this seems to be somewhere in the mind of a huge segment of fans around the league.

But Pats fans think cheating and running up the score is fine (among all the other lack of class epidsodes they've had) ..... okay. Trade off in stupidity, the Pats fans can believe that, and everyone else can believe it's okay to put out a contract on Tom Brady's knee.

[Patriot_Reign]

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_1797_Skeletons_in_the_closet.html

Awesome read, thanks

[Chargers 2008]

Wow...life must be getting grimmer every day for you.

Sincerest consolences.

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[Chargers 2008]

I'm sure he will try to be more careful in future games.

Thanks for the feedback.

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[twist of lemon]

Exactly. You too make my point.

So, why are the Patriots being taken across the coals for running up the score against a winning team who will probably be in the playoffs and have been touted as having one of the better defenses in the league?

And while you're making accusations where did the Patriots cheat against the Redskins, Cowboys, Dolphins, and Chargers?

Pray tell.

http://i7.tinypic.com/4tgy04j.gif

you might want to tell Thomas the play ends when the whistle blows

thanks

[Sam Adams]

http://i7.tinypic.com/4tgy04j.gif

you might want to tell Thomas the play ends when the whistle blows

thanksNo doubt...conclusive proof the Patriots are doing things no other teams ever do. Mea culpa..mea culpa.

[twist of lemon]

No one said other teams don't do it but your trying to make Patriots out to be scott clean. There not.

[Chargers 2008]

http://www.teezz.co.uk/images/humour/blah-11361-tn.jpg

[Lucid]

No doubt...conclusive proof the Patriots are doing things no other teams ever do. Mea culpa..mea culpa.

Sammy... just because other teams do things that are obviously wrong does that mean it justifies the patriots doing it too?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' answer would be greatly appreciated.

[Sam Adams]

No one said other teams don't do it but your trying to make Patriots out to be scott clean. There not.Please, which team in the NFL is Scott clean? You make it sounds as if the Patriots are playing some sort of football no one else plays....other than mowing down the opposition to this point, I don't agree. Football is football...it is what it is.

You take all the bad calls that are good for your team and so do I. You don't call the refs who missed a shot one of your boys took and didn't get caught and neither do I. If your team was scoring an average of 40 points a game, you would be as proud of them as I am of the Patriots. They are playing the best football any team has played for many years....and that isn't discounting the great season the Chargers had last year...fine football team.

I have stated on this board what Belichick did was unforgivable. I have stated on this board that Rodney Harrison's suspension was deserved. I haven't griped one bit at any fine any Patriot player has received this year.

I'll even state right here and now Randy Moss has pushed off on a more than one of his TD catches.

Where or where have I ever tried to make the Patriots look Scott clean? Some of you guys are masters at introducing strawman arguments into discussions.

[Sam Adams]

Sammy... just because other teams do things that are obviously wrong does that mean it justifies the patriots doing it too?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' answer would be greatly appreciated.As I have said, I don't characterize any of their scoring as something that is "obviously wrong." That is your characterization.

Don't try to put words in my mouth that simply aren't there. Thanks.

The Patriots are playing to win the Super Bowl.

[Lucid]

As I have said, I don't characterize any of their scoring as something that is "obviously wrong." That is your characterization.

Don't try to put words in my mouth that simply aren't there. Thanks.

The Patriots are playing to win the Super Bowl.

I was looking at the play of AT where he tried to bend a man back in a direction a man is not supposed to bend. This play had no impact on the game, or the actual play itself. Its the defense's job go stop the offense, not to harm the other team (or at least that is my belief).

I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I am just pointing out the fact that what AT did was wrong, plain and simple. A lot of stuff does down in the trenches, that is understood, but after the play is dead, the RB is on the ground to continue to persist and cause harm isnt what a true sportsman would have done.

So just because other teams do such things does that make it right?

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

I was looking at the play of AT where he tried to bend a man back in a direction a man is not supposed to bend. This play had no impact on the game, or the actual play itself. Its the defense's job go stop the offense, not to harm the other team (or at least that is my belief).

I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I am just pointing out the fact that what AT did was wrong, plain and simple. A lot of stuff does down in the trenches, that is understood, but after the play is dead, the RB is on the ground to continue to persist and cause harm isnt what a true sportsman would have done.

So just because other teams do such things does that make it right?
There are a few Bob Gibson types out there who don’t back down to anyone.
Do you remember the kid in Field of Dreams who winked at the pitcher?
Or maybe just pure meanness, ala Cobb sliding into second with his cleats up.
I'm sure we all remember the story of the kid who shot someone because he didn't like way he looked at him.

[Sam Adams]

So just because other teams do such things does that make it right?Of course not. Where have I ever intimated that it was right?

Lucid..what exactly are you looking for here? I have never advocated dirty football, nor do I advocate cheating. It wasn't me that told Adelius to do that, and neither did Bill Belichick ask for my thoughts on videotaping. I presume Thomas got penalized, and I know Belichick was fined and admonished. Both got what each deserved.

I'm just loving this ride the Patriots are taking their fans on this year.

[Lucid]

Of course not. Where have I ever intimated that it was right?

Lucid..what exactly are you looking for here? I have never advocated dirty football, nor do I advocate cheating. It wasn't me that told Adelius to do that, and neither did Bill Belichick ask for my thoughts on videotaping. I presume Thomas got penalized, and I know Belichick was fined and admonished. Both got what each deserved.

I'm just loving this ride the Patriots are taking their fans on this year.

I am sorry if I am pressing too hard Sammy, I am just trying to understand.

FYI - Thomas didnt get penalized, hence I guess he got what he deserved if he deserved nothing for trying to end another players career.

As for the ride you have every right to enjoy it. I was a fan of a team who had the MVP, the highest scoring offense, an incredible defense, lead the league in several categories and was surrounded by an endless supply of hype, that was the chargers last year. Enjoy it, you have every right to... we did.

[Sam Adams]

I am sorry if I am pressing too hard Sammy, I am just trying to understand.

FYI - Thomas didnt get penalized, hence I guess he got what he deserved if he deserved nothing for trying to end another players career.

As for the ride you have every right to enjoy it. I was a fan of a team who had the MVP, the highest scoring offense, an incredible defense, lead the league in several categories and was surrounded by an endless supply of hype, that was the chargers last year. Enjoy it, you have every right to... we did.Lucid...what is it about your posts that makes me feel you are the most put upon dude going?

[Lucid]

Lucid...what is it about your posts that makes me feel you are the most put upon dude going?

I would say it was the '?'

[Chargers 2008]

http://forum.oeh-wu.at/images/smilies/dfttroll.gif

[SP17BOLT]

How about them Colts? 3rd NFL team to start 7-0 for 3 consecutive years.

[jtk6]

I see that all the time where the defense tries to push or pull a running back in ways they do not go, the only thing I can say is that players are not in the right state of mind when the play that game (albert hansworth stomping a mans head is an example) and I guess that they are trying to make the offensive player timid or get to the point where they do not run as hard as they did.


Football is a violent game.

[twist of lemon]

No doubt...conclusive proof the Patriots are doing things no other teams ever do. Mea culpa..mea culpa.
Are you seriously trying to justify trying to end someones career?...

wow, just wow. Thankfully I know for a fact that your not a good rep for Patriots fans.

[jtk6]

Have you read almost every post from the chargers faithfull that has people condoning taking out bradys knee?

[LightsOut4ever]

I'm sure he will try to be more careful in future games.

Thanks for the feedback.

was that sarcasm or not? lol

[Lucid]

Have you read almost every post from the chargers faithfull that has people condoning taking out bradys knee?

Have you read the posts from the patriot faithful saying the object of the D is to stop the O?

I guess it all depends on which side of the fence you are playing on.

[Sam Adams]

Have you read the posts from the patriot faithful saying the object of the D is to stop the O?

I guess it all depends on which side of the fence you are playing on.No...Lucid..you missed his point. It is the job of the defense to stop the offense. It isn't their job to purposefully injure people.

[Chargers 2008]

It isn't their job to purposefully injure people.

is that even a word?

[jtk6]

is that even a word?


yeah but it is one of those made up sounding words.

[Sam Adams]

is that even a word?Check it out.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/purposely.html

[mk87]

Try "intentionally".

I personally don't have a problem with going on the 4th down scenario-thing. The game was already over so why not go for it, if they didn't get the first, I don't think people would make such a big deal out of it. And like recent games have shown, scoring 30+ pts in the second half is very possible. 4th quarter though, that's another thing...

[Sam Adams]

Try "intentionally".

What's the difference?

[mk87]

What's the difference?

sounds more smarter durr durrr

[The Patriot]

I wonder how the Patsie fans would feel about running up the score if Peyton got hot and Dungy let him run it up on their team? I bet they'd hum a different tune them!

Come to think of it, I bet we'd hum a different tune if we had the opportunity to do that to the Patsies. ......... but not to the Skins. Oh well, no-one ever said Bellicheat is a good sport.
Well, you know what they say. "Old age and treachery will beat youth and skill everytime."

[jtk6]

Honestly I have been a fan of this team when they would get killed and if someone put a 50 spot on them, I would blame the pats for sucking and not cry that the other team should of taken it easy on us. And believe me there was a time when that would happen more times then not.

[Sam Adams]

Honestly I have been a fan of this team when they would get killed and if someone put a 50 spot on them, I would blame the pats for sucking and not cry that the other team should of taken it weasy on us. And believe me there was a time when that would happen more times then not.Amen!!! For four freakin' decades.

[Lucid]

No...Lucid..you missed his point. It is the job of the defense to stop the offense. It isn't their job to purposefully injure people.

But if an injury leads to stopping the offense... well I guess its all just a matter of how much you want to stop the offense.

Like I have heard before, if you want to stop the patriots from running up the score, then stop them!

[Sam Adams]

But if an injury leads to stopping the offense... well I guess its all just a matter of how much you want to stop the offense.

Like I have heard before, if you want to stop the patriots from running up the score, then stop them!No one has done that yet. Maybe Sunday...maybe not.

Better worry about Minnesota. They aren't as bad as some would like to believe.

[56lightsout56]

No one has done that yet. Maybe Sunday...maybe not.

Better worry about Minnesota. They aren't as bad as some would like to believe.

or as good as some would like you to believe.

[jtk6]

But if an injury leads to stopping the offense... well I guess its all just a matter of how much you want to stop the offense.

Like I have heard before, if you want to stop the patriots from running up the score, then stop them!


Playing good defense should stop the offense also.

[Chargeroo]

No...Lucid..you missed his point. It is the job of the defense to stop the offense. It isn't their job to purposefully injure people. You missed the point - he asked a direct question. A question that could be answered yes or no but was never answered. What are you a politician?

Your act is growing old.

[Chargeroo]

Amen!!! For four freakin' decades. No one understands that more than us Charger fans. Our last title was achieved at the end of the 1963 season. We have never won a Super Bowl. I can only hope we don't become arrogant pain in the rears when we finally do win a SB. You guys act like anything the Patriots do is fine since they are just trying to win and are above the rules. You brush aside the fact that your HC was taping defensive signals from the sideline (in direct conflict with the league rules) as just trying to win. You pretend like it's the very first time that HC has ever done anything under-handed.

On the other hand, we have other teams that have already won four SB's that don't seem to find it necessary to come to our board and act like a pompous ass like you do. We have the fans of last years Champs that have acted like decent football fans as opposed to acting like we are their underlings.

You may now sit down and compose your letter to the Webmaster complaining that Chargeroo banned you for being a troll when in fact you are simply wonderful fans of the three time World Champs. Perhaps they'll decide to let you back in here and kick me out. Either way, I'll be done with your arrogant attitude.

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

Oops, there went Sam’s chance of becoming enlightened.

[Shamrock]

You may now sit down and compose your letter to the Webmaster complaining that Chargeroo banned you for being a troll when in fact you are simply wonderful fans of the three time World Champs. Perhaps they'll decide to let you back in here and kick me out. Either way, I'll be done with your arrogant attitude.

One down ..... :Bolt:

[Chargeroo]

One down ..... :Bolt: You missed the "s" on fans.

[The Patriot]

Yeah, I should probably go too. You know, before I overstay my welcome or anything. :D

Until next time...
GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

Situation: 4th and 1. Ball on 20 yard line. Score, Pats up 70 to 0. 30 seconds left in the game

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9817/ph2007011400820la2.jpg

Yeah, I should probably go too. You know, before I overstay my welcome or anything.

[ftwbolt]

It will be interesting to hear what Pats fans have to say some day when the shoe is on the other foot !

[Brady2Brown]

It will be interesting to hear what Pats fans have to say some day when the shoe is on the other foot !
It was rubbing our face in it with the SB shuffle before the game.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5g8cwPZ6Q0A
The final score was the exclamation point. (especially with Fridge rushing one in).
It happens. just enjoy the ride while you are on it.

[JoeMcRugby]

It was rubbing our face in it with the SB shuffle before the game.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5g8cwPZ6Q0A
The final score was the exclamation point. (especially with Fridge rushing one in).
It happens. just enjoy the ride while you are on it.

Actually, it wasn't.

The video was recorded after their loss to the Dolphins in a Week 13 game, almost two months before the Pats unexpectedly won the AFC title and more than two months before the Super Bowl was played.

The song and video were produced the Tuesday after the Bears first (and only) loss of the season.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_Shuffle#_note-2) In their "unlucky" 13th game, the Bears were defeated by the Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins), in Miami, 38-24, on Monday night.

The 1985 Bears were not the first pro football team with a group song. The 1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_NFL_season) San Francisco 49ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_49ers) put out a record during that season, one in which they also went on to become Super Bowl champs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XIX). The song, "We are the 49ers," was in the vein of disco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco) music.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_Shuffle#_note-1)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_Shuffle


But point taken about the game. Charger fans got the same "experience" nine years later. :(

[Hollow]

NE Beats the Bolts in playoffs
LT "We beat them 9 out of 10"
Ne Beats the Bolts in 2007 regular season
LT "Im lost"

[Lucid]

NE Beats the Bolts in playoffs
LT "We beat them 9 out of 10"
Ne Beats the Bolts in 2007 regular season
LT "Im lost"

Not sure if you notice but those were 2 different seasons. Just thought you might want to take that into consideration.

[DDMALO]

Well, you know what they say. "Old age and treachery will beat youth and skill everytime."
Ah, but cosmic harmony and karma reign supreme... Welcome to the ranks of Yankee fandom... Where's the fun in Goliath? Anyway, the Pats are going down in the snow in January, mark it down. This will begin the serious unraveling and eventual downfall of what has become one of the least likable teams in recent memory. What goes around, comes around and the Pats have a healthy dose of it coming their way. By the way, lovely shot of Adalius Thomas trying to break somebody's back after the play was COMPLETELY over. Where are the refs during this this dirtbag $hit and Candy Randy's CONSTANT pushoffs and the holding on their O-line that's never called? I'm not saying they wouldn't win a lot of games if they stopped cheating, but why make it any easier on them?

[Johnson]

At least, thats what ESPN is saying his new name is:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/071101&sportCat=nfl

Pretty funny.

"Ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun"

[JCDavey]

from the article -


Ever hear the story about how the real Suge Knight allegedly dangled rapper Vanilla Ice from a 20th-floor balcony to coerce Ice into signing over royalties from "Ice, Ice Baby"? If someone else calls Belichick classless, I'm afraid he might do the same thing to LaDainian Tomlinson, the first to publicly make that statement because New England players stomped on the Chargers logo after disposing of them in last season's playoffs.
The attacks on the Patriots' character are certainly amusing and highly hypocritical. Naturally, Tomlinson failed to mention what teammate Drayton Florence reportedly told fans at Gillette Stadium following San Diego's 41-17 win in 2005. "[Expletive] New England and their team," Florence said, according to the Providence Journal. "Get that look of shock off your faces. Don't be shocked. We beat your ass."

How could the Chargers ever single the Patriots out for cheating -- "I'm not surprised," Tomlinson said when asked for his reaction to the videotape scandal -- when their best linebacker, Shawne Merriman, went to the Pro Bowl after a suspension for violating the league's steroid policy?
Yep, you stay classy, San Diego.


as if there wasn't a reason to hate drayton florence already lol

[thehotdelancey]

At least he hates the Patriots.....

[vheman]

No way I'm posting on a thread about the Patriots.
Dang! Again!

[twist of lemon]

Freakin D-Flo...well there goes that Argument against Pats fans

[Brady2Brown]

Actually, it wasn't.

The video was recorded after their loss to the Dolphins in a Week 13 game, almost two months before the Pats unexpectedly won the AFC title and more than two months before the Super Bowl was played.



But point taken about the game. Charger fans got the same "experience" nine years later. :(
The video was before the sb right?...not wrong. I was 9 at the time. still hate the Bears til this day. Either way an ass kicking is still the same correct?

[Brian the Bold]

I have lost all respect for Belichick after the cheating scandal. And I have lost much respect for Goodell's NFL for letting Belichick go "unpunished". When players and other coaches cheat (substance abuse) they get suspended, but because it's Belichick he gets a pass. If it weren't for my hometeam, I would quit the NFL.

I used to marvel at the Patriots and their 3 Superbowl wins, but now all of that has been tarnished knowing Belichick is a cheat. Tomlinson was right when he said the team had no class, and that maybe it comes from the coach. Illegal taping of the other teams' play calling, running up the score, what's next? Judging by Belichick's character, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more.

I'm not advocating this, but what if a team had a 3rd stringer in on a blitz package whose sole purpose was getting a good knockdown on Brady even after he throws the ball. Of course the NFL would fine the 3rd stringer. But then the team can give this 3rd stringer a bonus that matches the NFL fine ala Kraft did to Belichick when he was "supposedly" fined. Sounds despicable right? Cowher mentioned that other teams could take a shot on Brady if Belichick keeps him in the game with the intent of running up the score. One classless act deserves another. But I only know of one team that would do that, and that's Belichick's team. So I would say Brady is safe.

But sadly, Brady, there will be an astericks next to your name on your achievements as long as you play for a Belichick. When I look back to great quarterbacks this season I'll remember Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, but Brady...well...he threw up some good numbers but who's to say it wasn't because his coach cheated?

[JoeMcRugby]

The video was before the sb right?...not wrong. I was 9 at the time. still hate the Bears til this day. Either way an ass kicking is still the same correct?

Yes, it was an ass kicking - just like the one the Chargers fans had to endure 9 years later.

The video itself was a slap at the rest of the league, not the Pats. The Bears had no clue who they would be playing when they made the video. In fact, the video was probably "aimed" at the Dolphins (the team that had just beaten them a few days before and the team that they expected to play in the Super Bowl), Raiders or Broncos, not the Pats - a surprise team that wasn't on the Bears radar in November.

[JoeMcRugby]

from the article -



as if there wasn't a reason to hate drayton florence already lol

Not smart - allegedly.

The report is from what NE "fans" reportedly told reporters - hearsay.

And as we've seen on this board, some NE fans would never ever ever embellish the truth a wee bit - or tell an outright lie. :rolleyes:

It may be a translation issue. From my time in the Northeast, it sounds like standard Bostonian adjectives have been added to whatever Florence is alleged to have said. ;)

BTW Also interesting that the writer "singles out" Merriman for "cheating" in an attempt to dismiss the Patriots' Spygate cheating while "ignoring" Mr. Harrison's multiple years of "cheating".

Whatever. Typical stuff when cheating and pouring on the score happens: Don't address the accusation, attack the accusers with irrelevant rebuttals.

A rationalization tactic that's been around as long as humans have been in existence.

[JoeMcRugby]

Here's the exact double-hearsay quote (Ms. Hill says that Tom E. Curran said that "a group of onlookers" said that Drayton Florence said " ..."):

" New England and their team," suggested cornerback Drayton Florence. [B]Florence then said to the collection of onlookers in the hallway. "Get the look of shock off your faces. Don't be shocked. We beat your [butt]."

http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/projo_20051003_03pats.8ae0256.html

Whether he actually said it, who knows? He probably did to some extent, but putting it in quotes isn't up to journalistic standards unless Curran actually heard the words.

Just like the Pats kicked the snot out of the Chargers on September 16th, the Chargers beat the snot out of the Pats in October 2005.

Whatever. That game, the playoff game and the September game are in the rear-view mirror. They have nothing to do with what is going on "now".

[Jubilation T. Cornpone]

Don't address the accusation, attack the accusers with irrelevant rebuttals.

A rationalization tactic that's been around as long as humans have been in existence.
Also known as “Deflection”; used when the defense is trying to intercept and get a turnover. An attempt to get the offense onto the field.

[Just1SuperBowl]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=belichick/071102

My favorite part:

Coach:
I play for an NFL team. We keep running up the score on our opponents and I think it is wrong and not sportsmanlike. How can I put an end to this?

Should I confront my coach?
-- M.C.

M.C.:
Is that you, Matt Cassel?! I knew you were trying to sabotage me. Here's a tip: There's no way to put an end to it. But if you keep chucking interceptions, I'm going to put an end to your career -- how's that? And, no, you should not confront your coach if you want to live. He'll rip your heart out in front of you and take a bite out of it like it's an apple.

You're a loser, Cassel. A loser.
-- Bill

LOL!!!!!!

[LongTimeOCBolts]

There's some funny stuff on there.

Especially his advice on how properly to celebrate a touchdown.

:D

[vheman]

This Pats-Envy must stop.

-Sigmund Freud