Randy Moss as a Bolt in 2008?

[hankster]

I believe Moss is an unrestricted free agent next year. He'll be an all pro this year, and only made a couple million this year. Will he be looking to cement his legacy and return to the cheatriots? Or will he look for a big pay day, which he could almost certainly command. Will the cheatriots tag him? Would you like him as a Charger? He has proven he can play and keep his mouth shut. He'd be a great asset to the bolts, but would AJ even consider spending the big bucks for this guy? Why not? Look what he did for the cheatriots.

[LT82]

I always liked Moss until he went to the hackriots. I bet it all depends on how the rest of the season pans out.

[bolt635]

No Thanks,
He will stay with the Pats, I live in Nor Ca and when moss is not happy he sucks. I would bet there is no way Norv would want him again.

[rcali bolt hed]

chad johnson randy Moss and Mcnabb in 08. wow who ealse can we add.

[Foshodo06]

No thanks, that guy is a cancer in the lockeroom. Randy Moss is the kind of guy thats only out for one thing, and that's Randy Moss.

[TurnerThaBurner]

chad johnson randy Moss and Mcnabb in 08. wow who ealse can we add.

Pacman should be available after his suspension is up..... we could even move him to safety! :D

[TJ21]

Pacman should be available after his suspension is up..... we could even move him to safety! :D

HEY! That's Jammer's spot!

[GoTomlinson]

I always liked Moss until he went to the hackriots. I bet it all depends on how the rest of the season pans out.

Don't forget we need to start saving cap room for when Michael Vick comes back to the NFL.

[TurnerThaBurner]

HEY! That's Jammer's spot!

Not a problem... we'll just have Jammer start over Hart after we bench him and have Pacman take McCree's place after we cut him.



Solved!

[LT82]

Don't forget we need to start saving cap room for when Michael Vick comes back to the NFL.

I never figured he would come here, all I was saying is that who knows if he will stay on the pats or not...after all it is Randy Moss.

[vheman]

Can't see Norv managing this guy.

[boltpride515]

why would Randy want to come here? Philip wouldnt even throw him the ball. He isnt a cancer anymore though. So I dont know why people would call him a cancer

[SkubaSteve]

I'd like him on this team, but there are 2 problems with this...
(1) the patriots will not let him go after what he has done for their team, and (2) AJ Smith will never sign a player that will question the team and him, nor will he give him his big pay demand.

[AirCro]

No thanks. When he doesnt get the ball he pouts and quits going hard.

[Boltup]

Exactly. The Chargers don't need a WR like Randy Moss. He sucks.

[Clint Beastwood]

No thanks, that guy is a cancer in the lockeroom. Randy Moss is the kind of guy thats only out for one thing, and that's Randy Moss.

not that I wanna see Moss on the Chargers or anything, but this arguement is too played out and does not work anymore. How can he be a cancer when the team he plays for is 13-0?

[IVIystical]

We have Chambers, Davis is waiting in the wings and as shown signs of good things to come and VJ has stepped it up in the latter part of this season. Moss is a quitter and whiner when his team showns the slightest sign of trouble.

[AirCro]

not that I wanna see Moss on the Chargers or anything, but this arguement is too played out and does not work anymore. How can he be a cancer when the team he plays for is 13-0?
Thats exactly why he hasnt been a cancer. When things are good and hes getting the ball hes fine, but when hes not getting the ball and his team is struggling, he gives up.

[Boltup]

That's why he will remain a Patriot. IT's all in the coaching.

[Clint Beastwood]

Thats exactly why he hasnt been a cancer. When things are good and hes getting the ball hes fine, but when hes not getting the ball and his team is struggling, he gives up.


well if I was argueing for Moss to come here, I'd point out that as a Charger fan I anticpate them doing good for the next few years...

[EROKER_53]

Exactly. The Chargers don't need a WR like Randy Moss. He sucks.

Really? 19 TDs and counting. 3 TDs away from tying a league record held by Jerry Rice?

only thing i agree with in your post is the Chargers dont need Randy Moss.

And i dont think the Pats are gonna give this guy away.

[AirCro]

well if I was argueing for Moss to come here, I'd point out that as a Charger fan I anticpate them doing good for the next few years...
I agree we are going to be good. However i dont think moss would be happy with being option 3 behind LT and Gates.

[JtBoY20]

Moss is a great WR but do you think he'll be happy in San Diego probably if Marty was still coaching but with Norv? I don't think so. He's happy where he is right now besides I don't think AJ Smith would want Moss. We have talented WRs already Chambers, Jackson, Floyd, Davis all who could continue to improve and be better.

[hankster]

the best argument against signing Moss is Norv couldn't handle him. Belicheat apparently can and he made mince meat of the steelers tonight. I think there is zero chance of him coming to the Bolts, but if we could afford him, I'd take him in a flash.

[Remember13and1?]

Randy Moss = More tds by himself than 3 other NFL teams.

End of discussion.

[Rek]

They only way I see Moss leaving NE for SD is if the Pats self destruct, and Rivers picks up his game and leads us to a title.

Moss is in love with Brady's ability and NE's talent.

[hoopdreams]

I wish that the Chargers had gotten the Randy Moss Cancer. I would have taken the TO Cancer also. Strange... Aren't those the two teams with the best records in the NFL? Also, they both are favored to go to the superbowl in their respective conferences? If that's cancer may the lord smight the Chargers with it.

Time to eat crow all you Moss and Owens haters!

[TurnerThaBurner]

I wish that the Chargers had gotten the Randy Moss Cancer. I would have taken the TO Cancer also. Strange... Aren't those the two teams with the best records in the NFL? Also, they both are favored to go to the superbowl in their respective conferences? If that's cancer may the lord smight the Chargers with it.

Time to eat crow all you Moss and Owens haters!

Yeah, just like we had the best record and were the SB favorites last year.



So much for that.

[TOUCHDOWNlinson]

i'd take Moss/Owens but we got Gates/ decent WRs... no need

[LightsOut4ever]

I'm a PR supporter, and a Brady-hater, but even I would say Moss would be an idiot to leave Brady for Rivers, no matter the money (especially since LT and Gates would still "out-rank" him in terms of go-to-options).

[Chargers24]

I dont see AJ signing this guy. Marty a HC had some words with him and he got the boot. Plus Moss plays for Moss, I think we would hate him even more if he played for the Chargers.

[CJ BADAZZ]

I believe Moss is an unrestricted free agent next year. He'll be an all pro this year, and only made a couple million this year. Will he be looking to cement his legacy and return to the cheatriots? Or will he look for a big pay day, which he could almost certainly command. Will the cheatriots tag him? Would you like him as a Charger? He has proven he can play and keep his mouth shut. He'd be a great asset to the bolts, but would AJ even consider spending the big bucks for this guy? Why not? Look what he did for the cheatriots.

as much as you want him we wont have him the Patriots are treating him well sio i just dont see it happening

[storm2122]

why would Randy want to come here? Philip wouldnt even throw him the ball. He isnt a cancer anymore though. So I dont know why people would call him a cancer

He isn't a cancer because he gets everything he wants. He is winning, getting the ball 6-10 times a game and is scoring touchdowns. Why would he be a cancer?

But mark my words, when things start going sour, he is going to quit running his routes hard, *******g to the media about coaching, *******g to his coaches about his quarterback.....it'll be the same deal over again.

[TBOLTZCALI]

He would help us, also some QB protection wouldnt hurt.

[RAWDOGG]

He would help us, also some QB protection wouldnt hurt.

He would help us (like this he is this year for NE) or he can hurt us like every other year he has been in the league. That is a oretty risky gamble, almost desperate like the Pats this offseason

[SCinsFan]

Can the Patriots afford to keep him? Wouldn't he need to take another pay cut to stay with them? And if that's the case, if he can't stay or won't take a paycut, wouldn't he be looking for a big pay day somewhere else? Then I would think the Chargers couldn't afford him.

[hankster]

Can the Patriots afford to keep him? Wouldn't he need to take another pay cut to stay with them? And if that's the case, if he can't stay or won't take a paycut, wouldn't he be looking for a big pay day somewhere else? Then I would think the Chargers couldn't afford him.

As I understand, the cheatriots don't have much cap room, although there may be a way to cheat for more.

[strykr619]

Moss a charger? Lol hell no that fool can stay an "paatiiieee" up there in NE , let them deal with his arse... we don't need his arse here....

[SCinsFan]

As I understand, the cheatriots don't have much cap room, although there may be a way to cheat for more.

I don't know how much room they have. I wonder myself. That's why I'm asking. I thought the Patriots went all out to win one this year and then they'll have to do alot of cutting to stay under the cap. If that's the case then I can't see them keeping Moss. Just my thoughts though, don't know for sure...

[sundeval]

Exactly. The Chargers don't need a WR like Randy Moss. He sucks.
Wow, are some of you misinformed and havent the slightest clue about football. Randy Moss really sucks, he and his 19 td's wouldnt be welcome on this team i guess because you guys would prefer an 8-5 team with an inconsistent wr group over being 13-0. Dont even try to tell me the Pats would be 13-0 right now without this guy. Im so sick of you homers saying this guy would be a cancer, and wouldnt help our team. What would help the Chargers? Another rookie who underpreforms? A second tier FA that would be a backup on most teams or a guy who is past his prime and can only be used to fill a role?
Im tired of being on the outside looking in when it comes to taking that last step towards a championship. Two of the biggest so called "cancers" in the NFL are Terrell Owens and Randy Moss. Isnt it funny how their teams are a combined 25-1? You guys go ahead and live in this fairy tale world of lollipops and do good, having the perfect players on the perfect team because it will never happen. If we have to have a jerk or ego maniac on our team to get us to a Super Bowl, then so be it.....i want a Vince Lombardi Trophy, not the most sportsmanlike trophy year after year.

[TCUFAN5]

Wow, are some of you misinformed and havent the slightest clue about football. Randy Moss really sucks, he and his 19 td's wouldnt be welcome on this team i guess because you guys would prefer an 8-5 team with an inconsistent wr group over being 13-0. Dont even try to tell me the Pats would be 13-0 right now without this guy. Im so sick of you homers saying this guy would be a cancer, and wouldnt help our team. What would help the Chargers? Another rookie who underpreforms? A second tier FA that would be a backup on most teams or a guy who is past his prime and can only be used to fill a role?
Im tired of being on the outside looking in when it comes to taking that last step towards a championship. Two of the biggest so called "cancers" in the NFL are Terrell Owens and Randy Moss. Isnt it funny how their teams are a combined 25-1? You guys go ahead and live in this fairy tale world of lollipops and do good, having the perfect players on the perfect team because it will never happen. If we have to have a jerk or ego maniac on our team to get us to a Super Bowl, then so be it.....i want a Vince Lombardi Trophy, not the most sportsmanlike trophy year after year.


wow breathe..

[CBO]

He is hungry this year and had a great opportunity to win a SB and make himself alot of money for next year.

[Chargeroo]

Wow, are some of you misinformed and havent the slightest clue about football. Randy Moss really sucks, he and his 19 td's wouldnt be welcome on this team i guess because you guys would prefer an 8-5 team with an inconsistent wr group over being 13-0. Dont even try to tell me the Pats would be 13-0 right now without this guy. Im so sick of you homers saying this guy would be a cancer, and wouldnt help our team. What would help the Chargers? Another rookie who underpreforms? A second tier FA that would be a backup on most teams or a guy who is past his prime and can only be used to fill a role?
Im tired of being on the outside looking in when it comes to taking that last step towards a championship. Two of the biggest so called "cancers" in the NFL are Terrell Owens and Randy Moss. Isnt it funny how their teams are a combined 25-1? You guys go ahead and live in this fairy tale world of lollipops and do good, having the perfect players on the perfect team because it will never happen. If we have to have a jerk or ego maniac on our team to get us to a Super Bowl, then so be it.....i want a Vince Lombardi Trophy, not the most sportsmanlike trophy year after year.
Dripping with frustration! I'm tired of the also ran finishes too, most of us are. However, we never had any chance at signing Moss last year. No way Davis would have traded him within the division. Will we have a shot at him after this season ends? I kind of doubt it, I'm guessing he's happy being with the Patriots and they must be happy with his production. One thing I have against Moss is how he quits trying. I know he hasn't done that this year, but he sure did it to the Vikings and raiders.

We got off to a bad start this season, losing 3 of games early in the season, if Moss had been on our team would he have quit on us? Who can say for sure? His past record makes you think he may have. In fact, if the Patriots had started slowly, would Moss have quit on them? He's not a bit more talented this year than he was last year but he didn't bother to make an effort last year. How does it make the rest of the team feel when a player that's supposed to be your super star makes a half assed effort?

If we want to be a stronger team next season, the way to do it isn't to spend big bucks on a WR or a RB or a QB, it's to spend big bucks on the lines. Rivers and our receivers, backed by LT can carve up the league with a bit better push form the DL and better blocking by the o-line. Spend the money where we need the help!

[Pot Roast]

If we want to be a stronger team next season, the way to do it isn't to spend big bucks on a WR or a RB or a QB, it's to spend big bucks on the lines. Rivers and our receivers, backed by LT can carve up the league with a bit better push form the DL and better blocking by the o-line. Spend the money where we need the help!
I agree: both lines need help. I dont know what happened from last year to this year w. the Oline, it makes no sense... maybe the big paychecks made them relax?
Our D line needs help as well; castillo is great....when he is in there , which isnt often. that hurts.

[RAWDOGG]

Dripping with frustration! I'm tired of the also ran finishes too, most of us are. However, we never had any chance at signing Moss last year. No way Davis would have traded him within the division. Will we have a shot at him after this season ends? I kind of doubt it, I'm guessing he's happy being with the Patriots and they must be happy with his production. One thing I have against Moss is how he quits trying. I know he hasn't done that this year, but he sure did it to the Vikings and raiders.

We got off to a bad start this season, losing 3 of games early in the season, if Moss had been on our team would he have quit on us? Who can say for sure? His past record makes you think he may have. In fact, if the Patriots had started slowly, would Moss have quit on them? He's not a bit more talented this year than he was last year but he didn't bother to make an effort last year. How does it make the rest of the team feel when a player that's supposed to be your super star makes a half assed effort?

If we want to be a stronger team next season, the way to do it isn't to spend big bucks on a WR or a RB or a QB, it's to spend big bucks on the lines. Rivers and our receivers, backed by LT can carve up the league with a bit better push form the DL and better blocking by the o-line. Spend the money where we need the help!


Who do you replace on the o-line?

[sundeval]

He is hungry this year and had a great opportunity to win a SB and make himself alot of money for next year.
Exactly what we need to pick up in the offseason....someone with these credentials. Be it via fa or trade, the Chargers need that big name WR, like a Chad Johnson. I dont know if he will be available or what, ive just read what other posters have said so i dont know if it has any truth to it, but if he is a FA, grab him. He will be looking for some money and will be hungry for a Super Bowl. After a year of taking alot of criticism and his organization thinking he is on the downside of his career, he might be ripe for the picking and ready for a new start.

Imagine Chambers and Johnson on the outside, and im some sets VJ, Gates at TE and LT in the backfield......how the hell do you cover that? I do agree with an earlier post about getting help on the lines, but having that firepower would be unstoppable.

[CBO]

Who do you replace on the o-line?

Olivea-Clary, and maybe Goff

[FearTheBolts]

Bad idea.
Chambers is a great receiver.
VJ and Buster will be exceptional in the years to come.
And don't forget MFlo!

We have three very capable receivers, not including Chambers. (Legadu isn't half bad either!)

Besides, Moss will be tied up with New England for a while. It's obvious that he's happy there and they are happy with him. I don't see him leaving the Pats for quite some time.

Basically, we don't need him.

[Old School]

When you say a player is unsuited for a team it depends on who the coach is. Look at Belicheck he picked up Corey Dillon who was said to be a cancer but look how he turned out not too bad.. If your coach knows how to deal with different types of players then no need to worry about players being unsuited for certain teams. Unlike the chargers Turner isnt that kind of coach so Moss coming to San Diego wouldnt really work out.

[Balboa 1961]

Olivea-Clary, and maybe Goff

And maybe someone to push our LT who doesn't seem to be doing it this year.

[The Patriot]

Nope, Moss is staying.

[TurnerThaBurner]

Nope, Moss is staying.

Good, you guys can keep him! Hell, feel free to snatch up Ocho Stinko when he leaves Cincinnati. That way, you guys can stock up on every free agent WR in the league and be re-named The New England Patskins. :)

[OC Chargers]

I wouldn't want him but if he did come to the Chargers his production would probably 50% higher than what he is doing with the Pats.

[SCinsFan]

Nope, Moss is staying.

Link please. I wanna see the proof. :)

[RAWDOGG]

And maybe someone to push our LT who doesn't seem to be doing it this year.

Say Wha? :rolleyes:

[Chargeroo]

Say Wha? :rolleyes: Haven't you noticed that McNeill is the guy giving up all the hurries and sacks to Allen and Vanden Bosch? Goff is in the last year of his contract, will he be back? Is Clary the answer at RT? Roman Oben will retire at years end, who'll be our new backup LT? On the D-line, wouldn't it be great to have solid core of backups for the three starters? We have a lot of talented players at the skill positions but the trenches is where these games are won and lost.

I think picking up Chambers was exactly what we needed. VJ is coming on now and although he hasn't many catches, Davis is starting to get open and he's running great routs. I think we're good at WR now. In fact, I think we're good at all of the skill positions.

[Balboa 1961]

Haven't you noticed that McNeill is the guy giving up all the hurries and sacks to Allen and Vanden Bosch? Goff is in the last year of his contract, will he be back? Is Clary the answer at RT? Roman Oben will retire at years end, who'll be our new backup LT? On the D-line, wouldn't it be great to have solid core of backups for the three starters? We have a lot of talented players at the skill positions but the trenches is where these games are won and lost.

I think picking up Chambers was exactly what we needed. VJ is coming on now and although he hasn't many catches, Davis is starting to get open and he's running great routs. I think we're good at WR now. In fact, I think we're good at all of the skill positions.

Agree 100% biggest need I see is OL, followed by depth on DL.

[PGHChargerfan]

I believe Moss is an unrestricted free agent next year. He'll be an all pro this year, and only made a couple million this year. Will he be looking to cement his legacy and return to the cheatriots? Or will he look for a big pay day, which he could almost certainly command. Will the cheatriots tag him? Would you like him as a Charger? He has proven he can play and keep his mouth shut. He'd be a great asset to the bolts, but would AJ even consider spending the big bucks for this guy? Why not? Look what he did for the cheatriots.

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times:

CHARGERS BECOME PATSIES. PATSIES DON'T BECOME CHARGERS.

[PGHChargerfan]

Nope, Moss is staying.

Isn't there a Steelers forum you could stink up about right now? ;)

[MrConfident]

he wont be great with rivers as qb so he prob wont come.

[brentski]

Moss is most definitely an URFA next year.

www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL+Zone/Team+Reports/default.htm (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL+Zone/Team+Reports/default.htm)

unfortunately, management(Smith) would never take him, as they don't want anybody on board who might 'rock the boat'.
Enough already with the goody two-shoes stuff.
Time to take some risks and players that can be great(though a bit weird or wild)
Just imagine what another top flight receiver would add to this team

[brentski]

From NFL zone
"A year after enjoying the most fruitful offseason in the league, the Patriots are faced with some daunting decisions in how to keep their machine humming. At the top of the list is wide receiver. With Randy Moss in the unrestricted pool and the team holding an option on Donté Stallworth, expect the Pats to keep only one of them. With roughly $10 million in cap room, they can’t realistically afford to keep both. Considering Moss will be 31 by the start of the 2008 season, the always cap-conscious Patriots may not be willing to dole out the type of money commensurate with a player of his caliber, although Moss’ comfort level in New England could convince him to agree to a lesser deal."

[brentski]

This is the best list I've seen that shows whos available out there.


www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/Free+Agency/2007/positionlist.htm (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/Free+Agency/2007/positionlist.htm)

[Chargeroo]

This is the best list I've seen that shows whos available out there.


www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/Free+Agency/2007/positionlist.htm (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/Free+Agency/2007/positionlist.htm)

Many of those players will be signed long before the FA period actually begins.

[CruX]

Moss will stay in NE. Why wouldn't he? Donte will be allowed to walk. But I hope Moss gets enough bank to screw NE's cap situation. And you know Asante is going for Nate Clements money so he's likely gone.

[Charger31]

I think that if moss did come here he probably would suck for the first year. Because he would miss brady

[Charger31]

does phillip go fa after this season?

[Satcong_21]

There aren't many players that the Chargers would need and be available before they signed with their own team. Although another WR would make things interesting in training camp for a 4th or 5th spot...And Bob Sanders but I think Indy won't let him go away without a fight. I thought Troy Palumalu is a free agent also, no? Hmm...

I say we save our money for future usage and start to stockpile draft picks and young talent from NCAA. AJ Smith is great finding those hidden gems so the more picks he has, the more chance we get a Gates/Shaun Phillips/Dielman/Cromartie again. They come cheaper and younger.

We have more than enough mix of young and veteran talented players here so no need for a quick fix thru free agency.

[Gobolts1]

Moss would never want to play here with our current QB situation and the way our passing offense goes thru Gates first.

NE will have a top 5 draft pick. They could go WR if they wanted to.
Maybe they decide to let both Moss and Stallworth go. More than likely one of them will stay.

[OC Chargers]

I wouldn't want Moss or Stallworth on the Chargers. Why bring in a cancer to infiltrate the team?

[CrazyBolt]

These threads are getting old.

[Gobolts1]

I wouldn't want Moss or Stallworth on the Chargers. Why bring in a cancer to infiltrate the team?

Because their both better than any WR we have now.:D

[Chargeroo]

Because their both better than any WR we have now.:D Could be you don't know what you're talking about -

Stallworth, Donte' REC - 41, YDS - 640
Chambers, Chris REC - 59, YDS - 850
Jackson, Vincent REC - 35 , YDS -564

[TurnerThaBurner]

Could be you don't know what you're talking about -

Stallworth, Donte' REC - 41, YDS - 640
Chambers, Chris REC - 59, YDS - 850
Jackson, Vincent REC - 35 , YDS -564

If Moss wasn't Brady's primary target, I assure you that Stallworth would be racking up a lot more yards than 640, let alone be getting more than 41 rec's.


But of course, he'll never be TB's primary target without having to hear Moss whine about not getting the ball thrown his way first... that would be the Randy Moss we all know. :)


And for the record: Welker has 96 rec's for 1004 yards... 9 more rec's than Moss has and only 339 less yards than Moss has... and he's their #2 reciever :crazy: So does that make him better than Moss?


Looking back, I can understand why so many Boltbackers here were upset when we cut Welker.

[Chargeroo]

If Moss wasn't Brady's primary target, I assure you that Stallworth would be racking up a lot more yards than 640, let alone be getting more than 41 rec's.


But of course, he'll never be TB's primary target without having to hear Moss whine about not getting the ball thrown his way first... that would be the Randy Moss we all know. :)


And for the record: Welker has 96 rec's for 1004 yards... 9 more rec's than Moss has and only 339 less yards than Moss has... and he's their #2 receiver :crazy: So does that make him better than Moss?


Looking back, I can understand why so many Boltbackers here were upset when we cut Welker. Actually, Stallworth has always been a guy that drops too many passes and he always misses a few games with one injury or another.

Welker is the guy that moves the chains for Brady - like Parker was for Rivers. Moss is the TD maker - like LT is for us. I think Buster Davis is going to end up being our chain mover. I don't think we'll ever have a WR making a ton of yards or TD's as long as we have LT and Gates. The thing is though - if teams are doubling Gates and using a run stopping defense to slow up LT, we have some WR's that can start making big catches for us now. Chambers was a great addition and VJ is getting better all the time.

[TurnerThaBurner]

Actually, Stallworth has always been a guy that drops too many passes and he always misses a few games with one injury or another.

Welker is the guy that moves the chains for Brady - like Parker was for Rivers. Moss is the TD maker - like LT is for us. I think Buster Davis is going to end up being our chain mover. I don't think we'll ever have a WR making a ton of yards or TD's as long as we have LT and Gates. The thing is though - if teams are doubling Gates and using a run stopping defense to slow up LT, we have some WR's that can start making big catches for us now. Chambers was a great addition and VJ is getting better all the time.

Too bad he hasn't missed any games yet as a Patriot.


41 rec's for 640 yds is not too shabby for a #3 reciever. Not that I'm crowning him or anything like that, I'm just saying that's pretty damn good.


Now if we could only get Buster to rack up those kind of numbers, our WR corps would have a more complete look to it. :)

[KSBoltsFan]

If we break Tom Brady's neck, none of the Pats will have any stats. Ross depends on Brady. Welker depends on Brady. Stallworth depends on Brady. The common denominator is TB. Take him out and it's a moot point. Hint, Hint, Shawne(s).

[usnidc]

Just for Comparison:

Randy Moss: 87 rec, 1343 yrds, 19 TDs
Wes Welker: 96 rec, 1004 yrds, 8 TDs
Stallworth: 41 rec, 640 yrds, 3 TD's
Ben Watson: 32 rec, 351 yrds, 3TD's
Maroney: 4 rec, 116 yrds, 0 TD's, 152 rush, 633 yrds, 3 td

Chambers:
w/SD: 28 rec, 435 yrds, 2 td
w/MI: 31 rec, 415 yrds, 0 tds
total: 59 rec, 850, 2 tds
Jackson: 35 rec, 564 yrds, 3 TDs
Davis: 17 rec, 149 yrds, 1 TD
Gates: 68 rec, 898 yrds, 9 TDs
LT: 57 rec, 461 yrds, 2 TDs, 280 rush, 1311 yrds, 14 tds

So, what does all this tell you? Nothing, NE has a Passing offense where they use their WR's and SD has a running offense and they pass most to their TE and RB although Chambers is being very productive. NE is one dimensional, take away Brady and Moss and they will lose. Can Maroney put the team on his shoulders and win a tough game? Rivers can as he has proven if LT is not having a good game. And LT is very hard to totally take out of a game.

Gates is our Welker, and LT is our Moss. In bad weather, I'd take LT and Gates any day.

[Gobolts1]

Could be you don't know what you're talking about -

Stallworth, Donte' REC - 41, YDS - 640
Chambers, Chris REC - 59, YDS - 850
Jackson, Vincent REC - 35 , YDS -564

Could be your being blinded by your rose colored charger homer glasses again.

Stallworth is the #3 option in NE. If they didn't have Moss he'd be the guy with 15 TD's and over 1000 yards.

Some guys just don't get it.

[Gobolts1]

Actually, Stallworth has always been a guy that drops too many passes and he always misses a few games with one injury or another.



I think you're actually talking about Vincent Jackson.
Stallworth hasn't miseed a game and he doesn't drop passes like stone hands Jackson.

[usnidc]

And more meaningfull: stats in last 3 games:

Moss: 16 rec for 248 yrds and a 15.5 yrd/catch avg.
Chambers: 10 rec for 208 yrds and a 20.9 yrd/catch avg.

and
LT: 64 rushes for 439 yrds and a 6.9 yrd avg.
Maronrey: 47 rushes for 166 yrds and a 3.5 yrd avg.

Which duo would you rather have?

[Gobolts1]

And more meaningfull: stats in last 3 games:

Moss: 16 rec for 248 yrds and a 15.5 yrd/catch avg.
Chambers: 10 rec for 208 yrds and a 20.9 yrd/catch avg.

and
LT: 64 rushes for 439 yrds and a 6.9 yrd avg.
Maronrey: 47 rushes for 166 yrds and a 3.5 yrd avg.

Which duo would you rather have?

I'll take Moss and L.T.:D

[JoeMcRugby]

I think you're actually talking about Vincent Jackson.
Stallworth hasn't miseed a game and he doesn't drop passes like stone hands Jackson.

Vincent Jackson didn't miss a game in 2006 or 2007.

Stallworth has been hampered his entire career with injuries (that's why New Orleans let him go) - and he drops passes like every other WR in the NFL.

:rolleyes:

[Chargeroo]

Too bad he hasn't missed any games yet as a Patriot.


41 rec's for 640 yds is not too shabby for a #3 reciever. Not that I'm crowning him or anything like that, I'm just saying that's pretty damn good.


Now if we could only get Buster to rack up those kind of numbers, our WR corps would have a more complete look to it. :) The Pats throw the ball quite a bit more than us and that has to be considered when we compare their players to ours. I agree that it would be nice if Davis could produce in that same manner and I see him getting open a bit more in recent games so I think it'll happen with him. He's still a rookie though so I don't expect it to happen for him this year. However, like Stallworth, Davis has shown some evidence of being a player that gets nicked up a lot.

[Chargeroo]

I think you're actually talking about Vincent Jackson.
Stallworth hasn't miseed a game and he doesn't drop passes like stone hands Jackson. All the time I was a Mod. I wished I could use the ignore list. Now I can and you have the honor to be among the first to make that list.

[ChampCharger]

I'd like him on this team, but there are 2 problems with this...
(1) the patriots will not let him go after what he has done for their team, and (2) AJ Smith will never sign a player that will question the team and him, nor will he give him his big pay demand.

The patriots are always letting there receives go. They seem to think they can plug anybody in and refuse to pay for a top guy.
It'll be interesting to see if Moss gets the money he wants out of the Patriots.

As far as him being a Charger...I think we have enough of our own guys that we need to lock up.
We don't need to worry about Moss or any other big name free agent.
We all know that's not AJ's style.
I'm sure we find some gems in the draft and be a contender all over again.

[Gobolts1]

All the time I was a Mod. I wished I could use the ignore list. Now I can and you have the honor to be among the first to make that list.

Now that your not a MOD you run and hide. It doesn't surprise me a bit.

[Gobolts1]

The patriots are always letting there receives go. They seem to think they can plug anybody in and refuse to pay for a top guy.
It'll be interesting to see if Moss gets the money he wants out of the Patriots.

As far as him being a Charger...I think we have enough of our own guys that we need to lock up.
We don't need to worry about Moss or any other big name free agent.
We all know that's not AJ's style.
I'm sure we find some gems in the draft and be a contender all over again.

When you have a QB like Brady it's easy to find WR talent to plug in. Next years draft is going to be some real slim pickens for us. I think we're OK at WR for now with the addition of Chambers and Davis.

[tomc42]

Moss is far from a cancer in the Pats locker room. Everybody said the same thing about Corey Dillion and he was no problem either. Alot of that comes from the veterans in the locker room and the coaches. They have control of the team and don't allow the team to control the coaches. Moss could be a cancer elsewhere but not here in NE. I'll take him on my team any day.No thanks, that guy is a cancer in the lockeroom. Randy Moss is the kind of guy thats only out for one thing, and that's Randy Moss.

[Xenos]

Moss is most definitely an URFA next year.

www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL+Zone/Team+Reports/default.htm (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL+Zone/Team+Reports/default.htm)

unfortunately, management(Smith) would never take him, as they don't want anybody on board who might 'rock the boat'.
Enough already with the goody two-shoes stuff.
Time to take some risks and players that can be great(though a bit weird or wild)
Just imagine what another top flight receiver would add to this team
If recent history is any indication then absolutely nothing. I believe all the recent Superbowl Winners, with the exception the Colts, did not have the dynamic top flight receivers. And even then the Colts won it all more because of the return of Bob Sanders than Harrison or Wayne

[Xenos]

Too bad he hasn't missed any games yet as a Patriot.


41 rec's for 640 yds is not too shabby for a #3 reciever. Not that I'm crowning him or anything like that, I'm just saying that's pretty damn good.


Now if we could only get Buster to rack up those kind of numbers, our WR corps would have a more complete look to it. :)
From what I hear, Stallsworth is no longer the #3 guy. That role has been taken over by Jabar Gaffney.

[Xenos]

Too bad he hasn't missed any games yet as a Patriot.


41 rec's for 640 yds is not too shabby for a #3 reciever. Not that I'm crowning him or anything like that, I'm just saying that's pretty damn good.


Now if we could only get Buster to rack up those kind of numbers, our WR corps would have a more complete look to it. :)
Buster isn't our number 3 receiver. VJ is. Gates is #1, and CC is #2.

[Xenos]

I think you're actually talking about Vincent Jackson.
Stallworth hasn't miseed a game and he doesn't drop passes like stone hands Jackson.
Oh he does. Maybe not this year, but throughout his career, Stallsworth has always missed game and dropped passes. VJ at least has youth on his side and hasn't missed a single game since his rookie season.

[Xenos]

Now that your not a MOD you run and hide. It doesn't surprise me a bit.
Maybe it's because you're clueless a lot of the times with your comments. The Stallsworth comment being just another example.

[JoeMcRugby]

Too bad he hasn't missed any games yet as a Patriot.


41 rec's for 640 yds is not too shabby for a #3 reciever. Not that I'm crowning him or anything like that, I'm just saying that's pretty damn good.

Now if we could only get Buster to rack up those kind of numbers, our WR corps would have a more complete look to it. :)

VJ is the #3 receiver for the Chargers, so his stats are pretty damn good as well.

Gates is #1, Chambers is #2.

Comparing the Chargers receiving corps with the Patriots is apples to oranges unless you acknowledge that hybrid Gates is the #1 target. Stallworth wouldn't be getting any more action than VJ in the Chargers offensive package.

And Stallworth costs a lot more, is a lot older and has missed quite a few more game-action over the years than VJ. :Bolt:

[JoeMcRugby]

Moss is far from a cancer in the Pats locker room. Everybody said the same thing about Corey Dillion and he was no problem either. Alot of that comes from the veterans in the locker room and the coaches. They have control of the team and don't allow the team to control the coaches. Moss could be a cancer elsewhere but not here in NE. I'll take him on my team any day.

Uninformed people talked that way about Dillon.

He always gave 110% on the field for some mighty poor Bengal teams. He was cantankerous and generally not a "nice guy", but there have been a lot of surly guys who have won many championships over the years. Dillon was one of those guys.

Moss is a different personality. Unlike TO and Chad Johnson, he's always been quiet and not raised a ruckus. His words and "in-fighting" (ala TO and Johnson) have never split a locker room.

Moss' "cancerous" tendencies were that he quits when the going gets tough. With the season that the Patriots have had (no adversity), he hasn't have a chance to quit on the team - yet.

We'll see how it goes down the road - especially now that he'll get "his" money next year after he has rehabilitated his image in 2007.

[Gobolts1]

Maybe it's because you're clueless a lot of the times with your comments. The Stallsworth comment being just another example.

Like your some well respected and knowledgeable fan to even be talking about being clueless.

[Gobolts1]

Oh he does. Maybe not this year, but throughout his career, Stallsworth has always missed game and dropped passes. VJ at least has youth on his side and hasn't missed a single game since his rookie season.
Lets compare their careers so far to date. Stallworth is better and has had better #'s in every aspect.
Jackson still doesn't know how to catch the ball and he's been invisible for the last 8 weeks.
Last season Stallworth missed 4 games when he was hurt. After this season Stallworth will have played every game in 3 of the last 4 seasons.

Sounds like a guy who misses allot of games huh?
More clueless comments huh?

[Xenos]

Lets compare their careers so far to date. Stallworth is better and has had better #'s in every aspect.
Jackson still doesn't know how to catch the ball and he's been invisible for the last 8 weeks.
Last season Stallworth missed 4 games when he was hurt. After this season Stallworth will have played every game in 3 of the last 4 seasons.

Sounds like a guy who misses allot of games huh?
More clueless comments huh?
Once again, the clueless comments appear. VJ hasn't been invisible these last 8 weeks due to his any fault of his own. Our oline and QB play has to share a lot of that responsibility. Funny how NE has a better oline and a better QB, and yet, Stallsworth is the one who is invisible these past 8 weeks. So invisible in fact that Gaffney is taking over his spots.

Oh wait, let me guess your next reply. Stallsworth is also invisible because of Moss and Welker. Really? So the fact that we are a run oriented team first with LT, and then pass primarily to Gates, doesn't have anything to do with it right? I mean I'm certain that if you had watched Stallsworth over the years, you could see that he's even more inconsistent than VJ. But then you know everything as well.

Oh and I didn't say he missed "a lot" of games. I was replying to another one of your clueless comments about Donte not missing any games and having stone hands unlike VJ.

[Gobolts1]

Once again, the clueless comments appear. VJ hasn't been invisible these last 8 weeks due to his any fault of his own. Our oline and QB play has to share a lot of that responsibility. Funny how NE has a better oline and a better QB, and yet, Stallsworth is the one who is invisible these past 8 weeks. So invisible in fact that Gaffney is taking over his spots.

Oh wait, let me guess your next reply. Stallsworth is also invisible because of Moss and Welker. Really? So the fact that we are a run oriented team first with LT, and then pass primarily to Gates, doesn't have anything to do with it right? I mean I'm certain that if you had watched Stallsworth over the years, you could see that he's even more inconsistent than VJ. But then you know everything as well.

Oh and I didn't say he missed "a lot" of games. I was replying to another one of your clueless comments about Donte not missing any games and having stone hands unlike VJ.

Once again the clueless reply returns. Lets look at the last 9 games and see who's played better.

VJ 16 rec 249 yards 1 TD

DS 31 rec 470 yards 3 TD's

Who's been invisible?

VJ was supposed to be our #1 WR but we had to go out and Get Chambers because he's horrible.
Stallworth was always the #3 option for NE.

I thought the Chargers had the better OL? We put two of our starters in the Pro Bowl last year and Dielman was an alternate.

There's no doubt about who has the better QB.

Your clueless if you can't admit that Stallworth is much better than Jackson.


You're just a blind homer who cries when faced with the truth about one of your beloved unproductive players.

[LT21SD619]

chad johnson randy Moss and Mcnabb in 08. wow who ealse can we add.

We already have all the players we need, it's just a matter of time!

[Xenos]

Once again the clueless reply returns. Lets look at the last 9 games and see who's played better.

VJ 16 rec 249 yards 1 TD

DS 31 rec 470 yards 3 TD's

Who's been invisible?

VJ was supposed to be our #1 WR but we had to go out and Get Chambers because he's horrible.
Stallworth was always the #3 option for NE.

I thought the Chargers had the better OL? We put two of our starters in the Pro Bowl last year and Dielman was an alternate.

There's no doubt about who has the better QB.

Your clueless if you can't admit that Stallworth is much better than Jackson.


You're just a blind homer who cries when faced with the truth about one of your beloved unproductive players.
If you actually think that our OL is better at pass protection than NE, then once again you show how clueless you are. Look at how much time Brady has to just scan the field and pick whoever he wants to throw to. Additionally, do you not find it strange that despite the fact that NE is primarily a passing team (to put it lightly) that Stallworth has become so invisible that Gaffney has taken his reps from him.

We're a running team first. Of course VJ isn't going to put up stats like Stallworth (which are quite pathetic for a guy who is in a high passing offense). Funny how a slot receiver (typically the #3 receiver on a team) has become better than #2 guy.

Oh and we traded for Chambers because Parker was going to be placed on IR. It was necessary either way. Once again, showing how clueless you are.

Here's another thing. Look how VJ did last year in the starting line up when our Oline was playing at a high level. But of course the fact that they regressed this season in terms of pass protection has nothing to do with VJ's performance.

[Gobolts1]

If you actually think that our OL is better at pass protection than NE, then once again you show how clueless you are. Look at how much time Brady has to just scan the field and pick whoever he wants to throw to. Additionally, do you not find it strange that despite the fact that NE is primarily a passing team (to put it lightly) that Stallworth has become so invisible that Gaffney has taken his reps from him.

We're a running team first. Of course VJ isn't going to put up stats like Stallworth (which are quite pathetic for a guy who is in a high passing offense). Funny how a slot receiver (typically the #3 receiver on a team) has become better than #2 guy.

Oh and we traded for Chambers because Parker was going to be placed on IR. It was necessary either way. Once again, showing how clueless you are.

Here's another thing. Look how VJ did last year in the starting line up when our Oline was playing at a high level. But of course the fact that they regressed this season in terms of pass protection has nothing to do with VJ's performance.

I don't think our OL is good at pass protection at all. I sarcastically made that statement sonce you're nothing more than a Charger homer who thinks everyone on this team is the best player at their position in the league.

You're clueless you can say whatever you want and try to drum up any kinds of BS to try to support your weak argument but that's all it is, a weak argument.

V.J. has been nothing but a major dissapointment anyway you look at it. END OF STORY

[TurnerThaBurner]

Buster isn't our number 3 receiver. VJ is. Gates is #1, and CC is #2.

Ok sorry, lemme re-phrase that... Buster is our #3 wide reciever.


Gates may be our primary recieving target other than LT, but he still plays TE last time I checked. Yeah, metaphorically speaking, he's our #1 reciever, but not our #1 wideout... that would be CC, followed by VJ @ #2.

[Xenos]

I don't think our OL is good at pass protection at all. I sarcastically made that statement sonce you're nothing more than a Charger homer who thinks everyone on this team is the best player at their position in the league.

You're clueless you can say whatever you want and try to drum up any kinds of BS to try to support your weak argument but that's all it is, a weak argument.

V.J. has been nothing but a major dissapointment anyway you look at it. END OF STORY
Once again, another clueless comment. I never said that everyone on this team is the best player at their position in the league. I simply said that Stallworth is not as good a player as you think he is, and counter with sound examples when you came up with silly generalization that he has not missed any games or has stone hands like VJ.

Additionally, VJ is a better fit on our team because he is the best run blocking receiver in the NFL and we are a primarily run first team.

Calling me a homer is funny, especially considering that you're even worse. You're nothing more than a close minded individual who does nothing but put down our team with ignorant statements that are far from the truth. Go join DJ Chemical in the sheep department. It's where the football knowledge handicap should sit.

[Al "T.D." Bundy]

Uninformed people talked that way about Dillon.

He always gave 110% on the field for some mighty poor Bengal teams. He was cantankerous and generally not a "nice guy", but there have been a lot of surly guys who have won many championships over the years. Dillon was one of those guys.

Moss is a different personality. Unlike TO and Chad Johnson, he's always been quiet and not raised a ruckus. His words and "in-fighting" (ala TO and Johnson) have never split a locker room.


Joe, that's a joke, right? SURELY you're aware of the incident when Dillon was a Bengal and Bruce Coslet was coach, where Dillon REFUSED to go into the game.

"He was rusty and ineffective at first, struggling along with the rest of the Bengals' offense. Dillon hit a low point in a 37-0 loss in Baltimore, managing only 9 yards on 12 carries. The Bengals rushed for a total of 4 yards on 16 attempts, and a frustrated Dillon removed himself from the game. Coach Bruce Coslet quit the next day."

http://www.polkonline.com/stories/102400/spo_dillon.shtml

Google it, there's a ton of articles on it. I just picked one.

[JoeMcRugby]

Joe, that's a joke, right? SURELY you're aware of the incident when Dillon was a Bengal and Bruce Coslet was coach, where Dillon REFUSED to go into the game.

"He was rusty and ineffective at first, struggling along with the rest of the Bengals' offense. Dillon hit a low point in a 37-0 loss in Baltimore, managing only 9 yards on 12 carries. The Bengals rushed for a total of 4 yards on 16 attempts, and a frustrated Dillon removed himself from the game. Coach Bruce Coslet quit the next day."

http://www.polkonline.com/stories/102400/spo_dillon.shtml

Google it, there's a ton of articles on it. I just picked one.

You're right. Dillon certainly was a quitter in the year 2000 (which you quoted):

He only carried the ball 315 times that year (20 rushes per game) for 1,435 yards for a horrible 4-12 football team.

I'm not sure about the circumstances behind his "removing himself" from the third game of the 2000 season. Maybe there's an article that goes into more depth than that particular quote. I don't know.

The only thing that I can remember from his time in Cincy was talking to Miami players during a game telling them to try to get him into Miami - while busting his butt on the field the entire game.

In his first 6 seasons with the Bengals, Dillon missed a grand total of 2 games (out of 96) and carried the ball 1,000 times during the 2000-2002 timeframe during which the Bengals went 12-36.

In his 7th season, he got injured and missed three games.

[Al "T.D." Bundy]

You're right. Dillon certainly was a quitter in the year 2000 (which you quoted):

He only carried the ball 315 times that year (20 rushes per game) for 1,435 yards for a horrible 4-12 football team.

I'm not sure about the circumstances behind his "removing himself" from the third game of the 2000 season. Maybe there's an article that goes into more depth than that particular quote. I don't know.

The only thing that I can remember from his time in Cincy was talking to Miami players during a game telling them to try to get him into Miami - while busting his butt on the field the entire game.

In his first 6 seasons with the Bengals, Dillon missed a grand total of 2 games (out of 96) and carried the ball 1,000 times during the 2000-2002 timeframe during which the Bengals went 12-36.

In his 7th season, he got injured and missed three games.

How many times do you get to quit on your team and decide not to go in, even after the coach repeatedly tells you to, before you're labeled a quitter? I guess he gets a free pass for that one, certainly he was a model citizen leading up to that incident :rolleyes:

This was after the offseason in which he professed "I'd rather flip burgers for a living." then return to the Bengals.

THe knock on Moss is that he "quits when the going gets tough". Corey Dillion signed a contract and then whined and misbehaved his way out of Cincinnati because he didn't like the situation (which was admittedly bad).

http://www.cincypost.com/bengals/2003/beng10-23-2003.html

If you don't chose to believe that he quit in the middle of the game because you don't want to investigate, so be it. That doesn't make it any less significant. There's PLENTY of articles about, as I stated all you have to do is google it.

I will grant that he was a workhorse on the field. No one ever denied that. But this whole "he's just misunderstood" thing is a crock. This is the same guy that called a teammate "A bum".

" Cincinnati -- he called teammate Willie Anderson a "bum" during a television interview." http://thedillonator.com/commerce/inthenews/inthenews.asp?reqdate=2/1/2005&id_passed=23



"In August of 2000 Corey inked a new deal in time for the opener. But he made one thing very clear: if the Bengals didn’t start winning, he wasn’t staying. He told one Cincinnati radio station that he would rather flip burgers for a living."

"When injuries slowed Corey in the early going, Lewis inserted Auburn rookie Rudi Johnson, who did some nice running. Eight weeks into the season, the Bengals were actually showing signs of life, but Corey was openly campaigning to be traded, telling reporters he wanted to go to Dallas. With the Bengals in the hunt for a playoff spot, his comments were particularly ill-timed." http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Dillon/Dillon_bio.html

DILLON CONTINUES HIS REP AS A DI--WEED

What's another week without a Corey Dillon "Oh woe is me" story (sorry Moe). Per the latest, Mr. Spatula is threatening to retire after the season (http://www.bengals.com/press/news.asp?news_id=1508)if the Bengals don't get any better (News Flash: they won't). Per one Pro Personnel director we spoke to this afternoon: "all Dillon is trying to do is get traded . . . he wants to get away from that train wreck . . . if the Bengals were smart (News Flash: they aren't) they would trade him for a bunch of picks after the season . . . and then have someone else do the Draft for them." http://www.profootballtalk.com/10-1to10-31archive.htm

"Fans in Cincinnati can be excused if they raise an eyebrow every time Dillon says all he wants to do is win and that's why he's so happy in New England. They must be wondering where that terrific attitude was last year when the Bengals were finally winning games under Marvin Lewis and Dillon pouted as Rudi Johnson got the ball down the stretch.

Fans in Cincinnati still remember the time Dillon refused to go into a game under Bruce Coslet in 2000. They can only laugh when they hear that the biggest controversy Dillon has caused with the Pats came last week in Cleveland when he asked to go back into the game. " Fans in Cincinnati can be excused if they raise an eyebrow every time Dillon says all he wants to do is win and that's why he's so happy in New England. They must be wondering where that terrific attitude was last year when the Bengals were finally winning games under Marvin Lewis and Dillon pouted as Rudi Johnson got the ball down the stretch." http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?threadid=8349

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?referid=8306&showtopic=66073 <---Read that.



He may have only quit on the field once...which is evidently OK since he did good the rest of the time, but the guys career in Cincinnati was defined by his desire to quit because HE wasn't happy. I really don't see how that's a whole lot different than Moss. Moss just expressed his desire to quit differently...by not trying.

If that one incident regarding Miami is all you remember about his career in Cincinnati, you must not have followed his career very closely.

[kpr858]

No Chance!

[619-N-702]

moss wont be coming, neither will chad, or dante for that matter. they (sd) made their receiver move when they signed chris chambers (who ive been a fan of since his days at wisconsin), and drafted davis, naanee, and big scott chandler. aj smith believes in promoting from within. look at his past with sd, brees leaves and rivers takes over, donnie edwards leaves and that opens the door for wilhelm, reche caldwell and keenan mccardell dont get resigned, and that allows parker and jackson to move on up.

[L.T. - 21]

hahaha, you guys trip me out

[JCDavis]

Why not sign Randy Moss? Did anyone learn anything from NE? All they gave up was a 4th round pick. And anyone that still thinks he's a team cancer needs to go watch golf instead.

[Chargeroo]

Why not sign Randy Moss? Did anyone learn anything from NE? All they gave up was a 4th round pick. And anyone that still thinks he's a team cancer needs to go watch golf instead.
What in the world makes anyone think the Patriots won't sign him to a new contract? This must be the silliest thing in the NFL for fans to argue about - give me a note when the Pats say they don't want him back. :LightsOut:

[ftwbolt]

Good one Roo !! :LightsOut:

[JCDavis]

Good one Roo !! :LightsOut:

No. Not a good one. In reference to my deleted post, I just brought up....ah never mind. :(

[ftwbolt]

No. Not a good one. In reference to my deleted post, I just brought up....ah never mind. :(

I agree with him ! Moss isn't going anywhere as long as the patties are willing to keep him around.

[JCDavis]

I agree with him ! Moss isn't going anywhere as long as the patties are willing to keep him around.

I'm well aware of that. Go ahead and hi-five yourself.

[ftwbolt]

I'm well aware of that. Go ahead and hi-five yourself.

By the way, I have the Golf channel but never watch it ! :LightsOut: :D

[boltztodahouse]

Why not sign Randy Moss? Did anyone learn anything from NE? All they gave up was a 4th round pick. And anyone that still thinks he's a team cancer needs to go watch golf instead.


This is the dumbest thing EVER what make you think that

1... we don't have bigger needs. I guess having CC, VJ and AG isnt enough
2... he wont ask for a boat load of $$ Marvin Harison made 12 mill this year.. you can bet Moss would want something over the 10mill
3... that he would not try to work something out with NE to stay.

yes If we would have had the chance to get moss for a 4th in retrospect it would have been a great move.

I think we would rather use that $$ and go after Sanders

[Charger Dodger]

There is no way in hell we are picking up Moss. Why? Because we have a steady WR corp already. We don't need Moss.

[JCDavis]

Why not sign Randy Moss? Did anyone learn anything from NE? All they gave up was a 4th round pick. And anyone that still thinks he's a team cancer needs to go watch golf instead.


This is the dumbest thing EVER what make you think that

1... we don't have bigger needs. I guess having CC, VJ and AG isnt enough
2... he wont ask for a boat load of $$ Marvin Harison made 12 mill this year.. you can bet Moss would want something over the 10mill
3... that he would not try to work something out with NE to stay.

yes If we would have had the chance to get moss for a 4th in retrospect it would have been a great move.

I think we would rather use that $$ and go after Sanders

Dumbest thing ever? What's dumb about discussing the possibility of adding a pro bowler to the roster? Even if it's not possible, which i've been aware of, what's dumb about it?

And regarding Sanders, what makes YOU think

1...that the Colts won't try to negotiate with him to a contract worth staying?

2...that our FO is willing to pony up the cash to even sign someone remotely like him in the first place?

3...that he's willing to leave a team that he has not only won a Super Bowl with, but is a constant playoff team, year in and year out?

Honestly, next time you post, take your head out of your ass so maybe you can see what you're posting.

[BOLTZ55]

What in the world makes anyone think the Patriots won't sign him to a new contract? This must be the silliest thing in the NFL for fans to argue about - give me a note when the Pats say they don't want him back. :LightsOut:

there is absolutely no way NE gives him the money he will be asking. They just dont work that way.

[ftwbolt]

Dumbest thing ever? What's dumb about discussing the possibility of adding a pro bowler to the roster? Even if it's not possible, which i've been aware of, what's dumb about it?

And regarding Sanders, what makes YOU think

1...that the Colts won't try to negotiate with him to a contract worth staying?

2...that our FO is willing to pony up the cash to even sign someone remotely like him in the first place?

3...that he's willing to leave a team that he has not only won a Super Bowl with, but is a constant playoff team, year in and year out?

Honestly, next time you post, take your head out of your ass so maybe you can see what you're posting.

So let me get this straight, both of you have the same idea about two different players. Circumstance's for both players are pretty close to the same, but the player that you are talking about is the better idea ?

Why not sign Randy Moss? Did anyone learn anything from NE? All they gave up was a 4th round pick. And anyone that still thinks he's a team cancer needs to go watch golf instead.


This is the dumbest thing EVER what make you think that

1... we don't have bigger needs. I guess having CC, VJ and AG isnt enough
2... he wont ask for a boat load of $$ Marvin Harison made 12 mill this year.. you can bet Moss would want something over the 10mill
3... that he would not try to work something out with NE to stay.

yes If we would have had the chance to get moss for a 4th in retrospect it would have been a great move.

I think we would rather use that $$ and go after Sanders

[JCDavis]

What in the world makes anyone think the Patriots won't sign him to a new contract? This must be the silliest thing in the NFL for fans to argue about - give me a note when the Pats say they don't want him back. :LightsOut:


Like I said in the other post you or the one of the other mods gracefully deleted, I was just referencing back when a lot on here, including some beloved mods thought Moss was a washed up team cancer. Oh how the total opposite has occured. As far as your note, can you pass one back saying that Moss is ready to sign a new contract with them? Go ask Deion Branch all about NE and contracts. In fact, seeing how age is a factor with the Pats, ask Willie McGuinest or Lawyer Milloy how that went.

[ftwbolt]

He called my post the dumbest thing ever while bringing up arguments why Moss won't come here. I just did the same since he brought up Sanders. And who asked you to be the rent-a-mod? Isn't there a mod's butt for you to kiss right about now?

I was just asking you a question because there would be a good chance that both guys stay with their team. But you have to go classless !

[JCDavis]

I was just asking you a question because there would be a good chance that both guys stay with their team. But you have to go classless !

Classless? Really? It's not Chargeroo's post that I have an issue with. It was you cheerleading as if he did a good job trying to shut me up or something. Food for thought: some bees don't sting unless provoked.

http://forums.chargers.com/showpost.php?p=1818852&postcount=114

[ftwbolt]

Classless? Really? It's not Chargeroo's post that I have an issue with. It was you cheerleading as if he did a good job trying to shut me up or something. Food for thought: some bees don't sting unless provoked.

http://forums.chargers.com/showpost.php?p=1818852&postcount=114

Nobody was trying to shut you up. ROO gave his opinion that teams will resign those players that most generally have a good season. But you get your nose bent out of wack because somebody disagrees with your opinion. Time to put the toys away ! :LightsOut:

Edit: btw, I kiss nobody's hine quarters !

[boltztodahouse]

Dumbest thing ever? What's dumb about discussing the possibility of adding a pro bowler to the roster? Even if it's not possible, which i've been aware of, what's dumb about it?

And regarding Sanders, what makes YOU think

1...that the Colts won't try to negotiate with him to a contract worth staying?

2...that our FO is willing to pony up the cash to even sign someone remotely like him in the first place?

3...that he's willing to leave a team that he has not only won a Super Bowl with, but is a constant playoff team, year in and year out?

Honestly, next time you post, take your head out of your ass so maybe you can see what you're posting.

WOW..... let me get this right.... let's assume that Moss and Bob Sanders are going to want to each make the most at each position...

Most people know the Safeties make less the WR. Why do you think that CBs rarely move to Safety? If you did not know this then I guess, you can apologize now for your comments.

This is all besides the point.... My point was this...

We have a probowl WR, TE, RB, QB (we can argue this one), OT, OC, OG, and FB. I don’t see a lot of need on the offensive side of the ball.

We however do not have pro bowl ILB, FS or SS and that our $$ would be better spent on the defensive side of the ball.

Also, what about extending some of our current players... that would eat up some cap space.

AND IF YOU CAN READ MY POST.... I never said we WOULD get Sanders... I said that he would make a bigger impact on our team than Moss and we would get more for our $$.

So before you start to tell me to pull my head out of my ass I suggest that you make a better argument than "We wont get Sanders...." b/c all 3 reason you said about why we won't get Sanders you can say about Moss.

Next time try to make a better point before telling someone to get their head out of their ass.

[ftwbolt]

One other thing to consider is having enough money under the cap to have a team full of Pro Bowlers is next to impossible ! It's Cap suicide.

[JCDavis]

WOW..... let me get this right.... let's assume that Moss and Bob Sanders are going to want to each make the most at each position...

Most people know the Safeties make less the WR. Why do you think that CBs rarely move to Safety? If you did not know this then I guess, you can apologize now for your comments.

This is all besides the point.... My point was this...

We have a probowl WR, TE, RB, QB (we can argue this one), OT, OC, OG, and FB. I don’t see a lot of need on the offensive side of the ball.

We however do not have pro bowl ILB, FS or SS and that our $$ would be better spent on the defensive side of the ball.

Also, what about extending some of our current players... that would eat up some cap space.

AND IF YOU CAN READ MY POST.... I never said we WOULD get Sanders... I said that he would make a bigger impact on our team than Moss and we would get more for our $$.

So before you start to tell me to pull my head out of my ass I suggest that you make a better argument than "We wont get Sanders...." b/c all 3 reason you said about why we won't get Sanders you can say about Moss.

Next time try to make a better point before telling someone to get their head out of their ass.

Funny, I never stated that you said such a thing. You said that me thinking that we could get Moss was the dumbest thing ever, did you not? What I did was state reasons why Sanders wouldn't sign here, much like what you posted about Moss. I just stated my point the same way you did with yours. Don't get things twisted.

[JCDavis]

Nobody was trying to shut you up. ROO gave his opinion that teams will resign those players that most generally have a good season. But you get your nose bent out of wack because somebody disagrees with your opinion. Time to put the toys away ! :LightsOut:

Edit: btw, I kiss nobody's hine quarters !

Haha...put the toys away? "Good one, ftw"!

[jhasley]

you guys make me laugh ...whens the last time san diego went after a big name freeagent LET ALONE A FREE AGENT

[ftwbolt]

you guys make me laugh ...whens the last time san diego went after a big name freeagent LET ALONE A FREE AGENT

Some just like to argue ! :crazy:

[sdcfan720]

there is no way the pats are gonna let him go after this season..........maybe after next season but not after this one

[brianram8]

1. The Pat's would never let him go.

2. Why would we ever want a guy as classless as him.

3. He dosen't like to get hit. An injury waiting to happen.

4. He is a "Head Case". It's just a matter of time before he shows his true colors in New England.

[hankster]

you guys make me laugh ...whens the last time san diego went after a big name freeagent LET ALONE A FREE AGENT

Kris Dielman. #1 free agent guard at the time.