View Full Version : Sign Madieu Williams
CanadianBoltFan
02-18-2008, 02:20 PM
The Bengals Madieu Williams will be hitting the free agent market after the Bengals elected to franchise Stacy Andrews.
Other safeties have been mentioned but I think AJ needs to make a pitch for this guy. The draft is weak at safety.
I dont know how Williams played last season but he was great as a rookie and has some talent, drafted in the second round from Maryland. Still young he could be a good acquisition.
LightsOut4ever
02-18-2008, 02:23 PM
The Bengals Madieu Williams will be hitting the free agent market after the Bengals elected to franchise Stacy Andrews.
Other safeties have been mentioned but I think AJ needs to make a pitch for this guy. The draft is weak at safety.
I dont know how Williams played last season but he was great as a rookie and has some talent, drafted in the second round from Maryland. Still young he could be a good acquisition.
Wasn't that good. He hasn't lived up to the expectations people had for him when he first entered the league. Would not be an upgrade over any player we have.
CanadianBoltFan
02-18-2008, 02:27 PM
Wasn't that good. He hasn't lived up to the expectations people had for him when he first entered the league. Would not be an upgrade over any player we have.
Well he is young, can only improve (unlike McCree and Hart who are over 30) he is tough, competitive with solid range. I am not so sure he doesnt have the potential and talent to be better than the journeymen the Chargers trot out there now.He was drafted high for a reason.
With Bradley coaching he could blossom. With very few draft picks and a weak draft for safeties another method could be looked at like free agency.
LightsOut4ever
02-18-2008, 02:41 PM
Hart hasn't played as long as the average 30yd old NFL player --so you can't use that as an effective counter. Hart has shown much improvement in just a few games at the end of the season, don't count him out.
GATESY!!!85!!!
02-18-2008, 02:50 PM
we dont need to sign every free agent that comes along.
we need to RESIGN our own guys.
if we dont sign a single free agent (except for filling up the depth chart) i'll consider it a productive off-season
CanadianBoltFan
02-18-2008, 03:06 PM
we dont need to sign every free agent that comes along.
we need to RESIGN our own guys.
if we dont sign a single free agent (except for filling up the depth chart) i'll consider it a productive off-season
Hey I am NOT one on here who automatically says to sign every free agent, far from it.I also understand the way the Chargers are built through the draft and the philosophy of signing their own players to long term contracts.
But every now and then a sensible free agent move is also necessary to build a Super Bowl WINNER. I know most of the Chargers sizable cap room will go to locking up existing players but with no draft picks and the team close why not look at a Gibril Wilson or Madieu Williams, good young safeties?
Chris Chambers was expensive in both draft pick and the 5 million the Chargers will pay this year. Did he not help take the team closer to the Super Bowl by improving the receiving game?? There is room for the safety play on this team to improve. Sometimes a judicious move has to be added to AJ's formula.
I am talking about a young player with upside and talent not an ultra expensive player on the downside of his career.
LABoltsFan
02-18-2008, 04:04 PM
Is he a project player or and immediate improvement to Hart or Mccree options?
While Hart and McCree arent greats, there is something to be said about their knowledge of the system. Remember, with the safety position we are talking about improving a weak/average position NOT replacing bad players and filling pressing holes. Status quo is adequate, we are talking about making it BETTER.
LightsOut4ever
02-18-2008, 04:54 PM
Gibril Wilson is looking to get much more expensive - so while I originally thought he would be an improvement, I think he's out of the question $$wise now (NYG likely won't let him get away).
BoltsfanNYC
02-18-2008, 05:48 PM
chambers was a STEAL and we didnt have to pay his signing bonus.... THINK ABOUT THAT.
bolts2388
02-18-2008, 06:17 PM
I would take Madieu Williams over hart and mccree any day. Way more upside and is still young.
travis
02-18-2008, 06:20 PM
not going to happen, according to Joe McRugby were going to probably have a rookie saftey again and have a second year starter as our other saftey, or servicable Hart...I'm sure that's what Brady and Peyton are hoping for...We need to be millions and millions of dollars under the cap each year so we can sign our own players when thier contracts are up...even if it means the cap is going up...A.J. is on a ego trip and wants to say, he did it his way. lol
CanadianBoltFan
02-18-2008, 07:26 PM
chambers was a STEAL and we didnt have to pay his signing bonus.... THINK ABOUT THAT.
Hey I like the Chambers move and I know Charger fans call it a steal but is it really?
It is certainly not a steal if Roy Williams is moved by Detroir for a second. We wont talk about Moss costing a 4th only because he came with baggage.
GATESY!!!85!!!
02-26-2008, 03:54 PM
Safety is a really difficult position to play. The odds of getting a superstar at the position is pretty low as there are only a couple. The amount of money it would take to bring a Madieu Williams or Gibril Wilson is way too much to justify signing them. They may be slightly better than McCree or Hart, but the difference is very slight. Plus, Weddle should make more of an impact later.
Ask yourself this: Would you rather have Williams or Wilson over any one of the following
Rivers, Merriman, McNeil, Castillo, Jackson, Olshansky
We should only sign a free agent if they are going to be better than any of these guys. And if anybody actually values WIlliams or WIlson higher than this 6 upcoming Chargers free agents they are just dumb
LightsOut4ever
02-26-2008, 06:17 PM
Hey I like the Chambers move and I know Charger fans call it a steal but is it really?
It is certainly not a steal if Roy Williams is moved by Detroir for a second. We wont talk about Moss costing a 4th only because he came with baggage.
really? I would call it that. Aside from injuries RW is a damn good WR.
EnFuego
02-28-2008, 10:15 AM
really? I would call it that. Aside from injuries RW is a damn good WR.
I'm pretty sure that he meant that us trading a 2nd for Chambers wouldn't look so good if the Lions gave up Williams for a 2nd as well. Making the Chambers deal much less of a "steal".
BoltMan17
02-28-2008, 11:03 AM
I'm pretty sure that he meant that us trading a 2nd for Chambers wouldn't look so good if the Lions gave up Williams for a 2nd as well. Making the Chambers deal much less of a "steal".
You don't think there is a reason the Lions are willing to give up a guy with so much so called promise? He has gotten too big, too slow, and doesn't work hard. Plus I had him on my fantasy team this year and he wasn't worth squat from about week 6 on. Chambers was much less of a risk than Roy Williams. Attitude and desire go a long way in the NFL towards long term success and Roy may be lacking in both of those areas.
CanadianBoltFan
02-28-2008, 08:31 PM
really? I would call it that. Aside from injuries RW is a damn good WR.
You misunderstood. Roy Williams is an awesome WR, better than Chambers. I meant if Williams went for the rumoured 2nd round pick then the Chambers deal is no steal for the Chargers. Word is though that the Lions will keep Williams. I guess so. Getting rid of Williams would be another stupid move by Millen.
LightsOut4ever
02-29-2008, 11:31 AM
I think this can be closed as MIN signed him (MW)
altheway
02-29-2008, 11:32 AM
I would take wilson from NYG over oishansky in a hart beat. Were could use our #1 pick for a DE or castillo he stays hurt too and thats one thng you can't let happen to much in the NFL
JoeMcRugby
02-29-2008, 01:00 PM
Can you say insanity?
Williams will sign a six-year, $33 million contract that includes just under $13 million in guarantees.
http://blogs.twincities.com/Vikings/2008/02/williams_and_tapeh_agree_to_te.html
Thank gawd AJ is joining chronic underachievers Indianapolis and Pittsburgh on the sidelines during the insane asylum spending spree aka "March 1st (Feb. 29th) unrestricted free agent shark feeding frenzy".
To put it in perspective:
A guy who I don't even know (aka run-of-the-mill NFL starter) got a bigger contract than Antonio Gates is playing under. :crazy:
BOLTCREW4U
02-29-2008, 01:31 PM
i would never take anyone who played on as weak of defense as cincy he cant be any good
chefgl
02-29-2008, 01:33 PM
Can you say insanity?
Thank gawd AJ is joining chronic underachievers Indianapolis and Pittsburgh on the sidelines during the insane asylum spending spree aka "March 1st (Feb. 29th) unrestricted free agent shark feeding frenzy".
To put it in perspective:
A guy who I don't even know (aka run-of-the-mill NFL starter) got a bigger contract than Antonio Gates is playing under. :crazy:
Wow! I was about to post that if we could maybe get Williams under the radar at a decent price ( maybe a little more than what we paid McCree) it would work with AJ's plan but jeez, way to over-spend Vikes.
CanadianBoltFan
02-29-2008, 02:19 PM
Can you say insanity?
Thank gawd AJ is joining chronic underachievers Indianapolis and Pittsburgh on the sidelines during the insane asylum spending spree aka "March 1st (Feb. 29th) unrestricted free agent shark feeding frenzy".
To put it in perspective:
A guy who I don't even know (aka run-of-the-mill NFL starter) got a bigger contract than Antonio Gates is playing under. :crazy:
That is too rich for the Chargers. Williams is 26 though and I think better than you give him credit for. Injuries have slowed him after a great rookie season. He is at least the type of safety the Chargers need. Not overy physical but a very good cover safety.
Is Gibril Wilson seriously contemplating signing in the mess that is Oakland??
JoeMcRugby
02-29-2008, 02:31 PM
That is too rich for the Chargers. Williams is 26 though and I think better than you give him credit for. Injuries have slowed him after a great rookie season. He is at least the type of safety the Chargers need. Not overy physical but a very good cover safety.
Is Gibril Wilson seriously contemplating signing in the mess that is Oakland??
The Chargers are glad to pay that money for players who are worth it.
That's insane money for the caliber of player that Williams has shown in his time in the NFL.
Horrible use of cap space.
The Vikings are now paying Williams close to Ed Reed money (6 years, $40 million). Just goes to show how badly you have to overpay in the UFA market.
Ridiculous.
As for Wilson: wouldn't surprise me if he signs with the Raiders and disappears from the NFL map after losing a safety's best friend in the world: an insane pass rush that was supplied by the Giants front 7. Take the money and laugh all the way to the bank.
CanadianBoltFan
02-29-2008, 04:31 PM
The Chargers are glad to pay that money for players who are worth it.
That's insane money for the caliber of player that Williams has shown in his time in the NFL.
Horrible use of cap space.
The Vikings are now paying Williams close to Ed Reed money (6 years, $40 million). Just goes to show how badly you have to overpay in the UFA market.
Ridiculous.
As for Wilson: wouldn't surprise me if he signs with the Raiders and disappears from the NFL map after losing a safety's best friend in the world: an insane pass rush that was supplied by the Giants front 7. Take the money and laugh all the way to the bank.
That's a good point when you compare the contract to Reed, though I am sure Reed would be even more inflated if he were in the FA market.
The money for FA's is crazy sometimes. Chargers might be boring in the off season but you can see why Chargers and Colts build the way they do.
My one little FA wish is for TJ Duckett if he can be signed for reasonable money. He played pretty well for Detroit last year and is only 26. At 254 lbs a nice change to LT. Then the Chargers wouldnt need to draft a RB and can focus on DB, OL with limited picks.
I am so glad that we are not that hard pressed that we have to overpay average players
JoeMcRugby
02-29-2008, 06:24 PM
Did I say 6 years $40 million as being Ed Reed's contract?
Gibril Wilson (not anywhere near the player of Reed's caliber) signs a 6 year $39 million deal with the Raiders!!
:crazy:
LightsOut4ever
02-29-2008, 06:34 PM
I don't think B level players signing A level contracts is anything new
Jay21
02-29-2008, 06:40 PM
Can you say insanity?
Definitely. Williams isn't any better than Hart, which makes me wonder if Hart is going to look at this as a bit of leverage for making more money. We should be able to resign him at a very fair price, but seeing these obscure players making bank can't be helping us any in negotiations