Time to say bye bye to OLD Trevor

[SD4Life]

this was the last straw. i'm sick of this guy. please let Bell close out the games. you dumbass kevin towers

[JCDavey]

yeah, may as well trade hoffy to a contender to see if he can get a ring, padres are pretty much dead at this point

[SDfansince'86]

I had a feeling this ish would pop up again--if this is gunna happen whenever Hoffy blows a save, why doesn't it happen when another reliever blows a lead/game late?? I completely understand the frustration (trust me!) but he's not the only one in that bullpen that has a hiccup every now & then...according to a stat given by Matty V. today our bullpen is responsible for 13 (now 14) losses, first in the NL.

BTW, Bell hasn't been all lights out this year either--nobody has for us actually...one day our pitching sucks, next day our hitting, next day (albeit not very often) our defense...definitely a tough year for a Pads fan :(

[JCDavey]

I had a feeling this ish would pop up again--if this is gunna happen whenever Hoffy blows a save, why doesn't it happen when another reliever blows a lead/game late?? I completely understand the frustration (trust me!) but he's not the only one in that bullpen that has a hiccup every now & then...according to a stat given by Matty V. today our bullpen is responsible for 13 (now 14) losses, first in the NL.

BTW, Bell hasn't been all lights out this year either--nobody has for us actually...one day our pitching sucks, next day our hitting, next day (albeit not very often) our defense...definitely a tough year for a Pads fan :(thing is, hoffy is at the end of his career

why even keep him any longer? this team's going nowhere fast

[AZLightsOut19]

yeah, may as well trade hoffy to a contender to see if he can get a ring, padres are pretty much dead at this point
Nobody is going to want him.

[AZLightsOut19]

I had a feeling this ish would pop up again--if this is gunna happen whenever Hoffy blows a save, why doesn't it happen when another reliever blows a lead/game late?? I completely understand the frustration (trust me!) but he's not the only one in that bullpen that has a hiccup every now & then...according to a stat given by Matty V. today our bullpen is responsible for 13 (now 14) losses, first in the NL.

BTW, Bell hasn't been all lights out this year either--nobody has for us actually...one day our pitching sucks, next day our hitting, next day (albeit not very often) our defense...definitely a tough year for a Pads fan :(

That loss just hurts a little more because of the way it ended. What ever this little week rally that we have been riding on may be over. Talk about a buzz kill. No matter how you look at it; Your not supposed to loose a game after going up by 2 in the top half of an extra inning game, and then promptly give up 3 in the bottom half.

[mccharger]

Nobody is going to want him. Very True.. Especially a contender.

[Bolt Cola]

all of this make Bell the closer stuff makes no sense..Bell has also blown saves this year, it doesn't have to be the ninth inning to get credited with a Blown save. And lets not even talk about Cla Meredith.

[RandomTask]

I love the "I told you so's" after he blows a save but never after he converts. He usually blows about 5 saves a season. I'd still rather him come in a save situation than most closers in the league.

[LordBling]

this will probably be hoffman's last season. the padres arent doing anything this year, so lets enjoy whats left and allow TH to retire a friar.

[JCDavey]

some contender will want him

[SDfansince'86]

That loss just hurts a little more because of the way it ended. What ever this little week rally that we have been riding on may be over. Talk about a buzz kill. No matter how you look at it; Your not supposed to loose a game after going up by 2 in the top half of an extra inning game, and then promptly give up 3 in the bottom half.

Oh, I agree it hurt. My reaction was similar Matty V.'s on TV when he was screaming, "Oh, no! Oh, no!" when Edgar hestitated on that grounder as Fred Lewis scored the winning run. I tried to tell myself "it's just a game" but I do care, and it does bother me.

As far as Hoffy, I totally hold him accountable...I hold them all accountable. I just always find it kinda surprising that Cla or Bell or (insert name) can blow a lead or give up a potentially game losing run late and we almost never get threads like we do about Hoffy. That's all I'm saying--he's not the only that struggles at times in that bullpen.

He convets 6, 8 or 10 in a row and not a peep from people, and then he blows one and BAM! a lot of people come out of the woodwork. Anyway, that was yesterday....lets hope we can get back on track today!

BTW, I don't know where the heck we'd be without Giles or Gonzo this year! :)

[56lightsout56]

doesnt hoffy have a no trade clause in his contract? no sure though and have been checking into it.

besides, like it was said, I dont think anyone will want him unless its a power team like Boston. put him in wrigley and it would be an adventure, lol

I know Peavy has a no trade clause in his contract but I wonder if he has changed his mind.


edit: I found an article. he's got an option that was picked up for 2008.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2251623


DALLAS -- Trevor Hoffman (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4975) will stay with the San Diego Padres (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sdg), agreeing Wednesday to a $13.5 million, two-year contract that includes a club option for 2008.

Hoffman's agents also had been negotiating with the Cleveland Indians (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=cle) at the winter meetings before agreeing to stay with the Padres.

"I'm just really happy that I'm not having to traipse my family across the country, although it was a tremendous opportunity with the Cleveland Indians," Hoffman said. "In particular, the class that they showed throughout the process and the respect that they showed went above and beyond and I truly appreciate it. But it came down to me making a decision for my family and not disrupting what we have going on."

San Diego general manager Kevin Towers said the club improved its offer in the second year and made the achievements that would guarantee the option year a little easier to reach.

"To get this done went a little closer than I had hoped," manager Bruce Bochy said. "This is huge for us. I know, for me, there's certainly going to be a sense of comfort in that ninth inning now that we have Trevor back."
Hoffman saved 43 games last season, going 1-6 with a 2.97 ERA. He is second on the career saves list with 436 -- all but two with the Padres.
"We're hopeful that in 2006 he will be the all-time saves leader. It's certainly within his grasp," Towers said. "I won't be surprised if he surpasses the 500 mark and goes to Cooperstown as one of the few relievers there."

Hoffman's contract includes a 2008 option at $5.5 million that would become guaranteed if he finishes 90 games over the next two years or 45 in one of them, Towers said.

"This is probably the most significant signing that I've had," the GM said. "This guy is the face of our organization. I can't put into words what he means to our community."


with him in the last year of his contract and blowing saves he doesnt have all that much value but at only 5.5 million, there may be a taker.

needless to say, he probably will not be back next year with the most likely scenario as retirement.

[AZLightsOut19]

I love the "I told you so's" after he blows a save but never after he converts. He usually blows about 5 saves a season. I'd still rather him come in a save situation than most closers in the league.

He is on pace to blow about 15+ this year.... Thats just to many. I would agree, this is his last year. Next time we see Trevor is in Cooperstown.

[AZLightsOut19]

some contender will want him
Who would you say then??????

[RandomTask]

He is on pace to blow about 15+ this year.... Thats just to many. I would agree, this is his last year. Next time we see Trevor is in Cooperstown.

And Chase Utley is on pace to hit 100 homeruns. But that's not going to happen either. Law of averages. It's baseball not football. Long season. Slumps, hot streaks. There are trends but the game is so weird that anything can happen and often does. I'd still hand the ball to Trevor tonight with a 1 run lead. Let Trevor go out on his terms.

On the BP show last night they were talking about how it was interesting that 2 of Trevor's blown saves were against the Giants. The Giant hitters were aggressive on the first pitch (where Trevor tends to throw a first pitch fastball to try to get ahead). Oh yeah and who's in the Giants dugout again?

[RandomTask]

I can't believe Hoffy gave up that bomb to Soriano. I mean Derek Lee. What he struck them both out? Nevermind...

[JCDavey]

it's still time to try and get something for hoffman, this team is going nowhere this year, it's time to look at 2009

[TurnerThaBurner]

Nobody is going to want him.


If no one wants him, then maybe it truly IS time for him to retire.

[TurnerThaBurner]

some contender will want him


The Yanks perhaps? Their roster ain't getting any younger.

[RandomTask]

The Yanks perhaps? Their roster ain't getting any younger.

Ummm you do know they have Mariano Rivera who is # 3 on the all time saves list? Why would they need another closer? Do you think Trevor would be the set up man (something he hasn't done much of if at all in his career) now that Joba is the rotation? Seriously people! Is he as good as 1998 Trevor ... no. There's a lot of things I'm not as good at 10 years ago. Is he as good as 2004-2007 Trevor? I think so. He's still a good closer who can get people out.

[RandomTask]

it's still time to try and get something for hoffman, this team is going nowhere this year, it's time to look at 2009

I agree with the team going nowhere but seriously what do you expect in return? A mid-level prospect? For a 40 year old closer who's a free agent next season? It'd also weaken the shaky bullpen. You take Trevor out of the 'pen, move Bell to closer, then who pitches the 8th? Merrideth? Corey? Both have been really inconsistent this season and now they are going to set up? Then the 7th who takes over there? Trevor is not the main problem here.

[AZLightsOut19]

The Yanks perhaps? Their roster ain't getting any younger.
As long as Rivera is healthy there is no way they need him. Plus Trevor would never want to go there. One blown save and they will be all over him.

[AZLightsOut19]

How come people are not posting about Trevor being done today??? I mean it's not like he didn't close the game last night against the best team in baseball right now...... oh wait, yeah he did!

[SDfansince'86]

How come people are not posting about Trevor being done today??? I mean it's not like he didn't close the game last night against the best team in baseball right now...... oh wait, yeah he did!

HAHA! This is exactly what I've been saying...I figured this thread wouldn't get too much action after last night :D

[mccharger]

How come people are not posting about Trevor being done today??? I mean it's not like he didn't close the game last night against the best team in baseball right now...... oh wait, yeah he did!Lets not get carried away. All he did was get three outs. Granted he looked good against a good lineup but come on man, the save is perhaps the most overrated stat in the game.Maddux got 21 outs for crying out loud. Lets see Trev keep it going for a while before you hand him the Cy Young.

[JCDavey]

he'd be a great pick up for a contender if he can string some saves along, the contender could use him as a breather, change of pace guy, set up man

it's just another option for whoever picks him up

it's no mistake that he's the best closer in the history of the game, that still has worth to it for one of the contenders out there.

now trevor just has to put together a nice little streak, and not veto a trade if it's brought up

[mccharger]

he'd be a great pick up for a contender if he can string some saves along, the contender could use him as a breather, change of pace guy, set up man

it's just another option for whoever picks him up

it's no mistake that he's the best closer in the history of the game, that still has worth to it for one of the contenders out there.

now trevor just has to put together a nice little streak, and not veto a trade if it's brought upI completely agree. I just wonder if Trevor, the front office and the fans would. Would be kind of weird though wouldnt it? (trevor in another uni)

[JCDavey]

I completely agree. I just wonder if Trevor, the front office and the fans would. Would be kind of weird though wouldnt it? (trevor in another uni)yeah but i've never believed in keeping a guy just to keep him , although i'd hate to trade him if he went and picked some other team's cap for his HOF bust

that would totally suck

[leftyinthepen]

yeah but i've never believed in keeping a guy just to keep him , although i'd hate to trade him if he went and picked some other team's cap for his HOF bust

that would totally suck

he will go in as a padre, no matter what anymore. the HOF will determine which a player gets enshrined in anymore....call it the dave winfield rule

[David110]

Lets not get carried away. All he did was get three outs. Granted he looked good against a good lineup but come on man, the save is perhaps the most overrated stat in the game.Maddux got 21 outs for crying out loud. Lets see Trev keep it going for a while before you hand him the Cy Young.


Nobody is giving him a Cy Young, ( he should have 1 though).

[mccharger]

Nobody is giving him a Cy Young, ( he should have 1 though).He really should, probably even two but definitely one. But i was just being sarcastic.:Beer:

[RandomTask]

Lets not get carried away. All he did was get three outs. Granted he looked good against a good lineup but come on man, the save is perhaps the most overrated stat in the game.Maddux got 21 outs for crying out loud. Lets see Trev keep it going for a while before you hand him the Cy Young.

Struck out the side (including Soriano and Derek Lee) is nothing to sneeze at. If you are going to criticize Hoffman for blowing saves you have to praise him when he does convert, Saves may be overrated but they're still tough to get. And nobody has more than he does.

[RandomTask]

he'd be a great pick up for a contender if he can string some saves along, the contender could use him as a breather, change of pace guy, set up man

it's just another option for whoever picks him up

it's no mistake that he's the best closer in the history of the game, that still has worth to it for one of the contenders out there.

now trevor just has to put together a nice little streak, and not veto a trade if it's brought up

But I thought he was "done"? Why would anyone want him with that theory?

Seriously name a contender that would be a good fit for Hoffy. Would Hoffman want a "demotion"? Trevor would probably veto any trade. He's earned that right being in the big leagues so long and being a team leader. What would the clubhouse be without him? He's a family man and loves having his wife and boys sitting behind home plate every night. Why would he want to go back to a team like the Marlins for example? Why would an organization want a 3 month rental with a 40 year old reliever who's a free agent? 40 year old starter to fill a number 5 role sure but middle relief/closer is a position that should already be filled and is usually filled by a younger player from the minors at this point.

[mccharger]

Struck out the side (including Soriano and Derek Lee) is nothing to sneeze at. If you are going to criticize Hoffman for blowing saves you have to praise him when he does convert, Saves may be overrated but they're still tough to get. And nobody has more than he does.If you look back at my post I did give him props. I love Trevor I just think its his time. But dont get me wrong RT i respect what he has done and I just want to see him go out as the man and not a hasbeen, because if he isnt there yet he is close and thats just the facts.

[JCDavey]

But I thought he was "done"? Why would anyone want him with that theory?

Seriously name a contender that would be a good fit for Hoffy. Would Hoffman want a "demotion"? Trevor would probably veto any trade. He's earned that right being in the big leagues so long and being a team leader. What would the clubhouse be without him? He's a family man and loves having his wife and boys sitting behind home plate every night. Why would he want to go back to a team like the Marlins for example? Why would an organization want a 3 month rental with a 40 year old reliever who's a free agent? 40 year old starter to fill a number 5 role sure but middle relief/closer is a position that should already be filled and is usually filled by a younger player from the minors at this point.any contender who may need a set-up man

if i'm hoffman i'd seriously think about accepting any trade to a contender....if he's a real baseball player who plays for the ring....

if his plan is to retire anyway, why not go out trying to win it all, even in a supporting role.

he's got to know the padres are going nowhere fast

[mccharger]

Props to the hoff again but Josh Banks is the story tonight. Keep it up hoffy and i will shut my mouth for a little while.;)

[JCDavey]

bud black's still retarded

you don't bring hoffman into a tie game

when will the jackass understand that?

[Bolt Cola]

hoffy with the W...in 1, 2, 3 fashion...two solid outings in a row....

[mccharger]

bud black's still retarded

you don't bring hoffman into a tie game

when will the jackass understand that?But JC an out is an out. The 3 he made tonight were just as important as a save. Hoffy if any should covert save situation or not. save is just a word for the score at the time, no more no less important than the situation he pitched in tonight. bottom line is just get it done when your number is called and tonight Hoffy was solid.

[AZLightsOut19]

Lets not get carried away. All he did was get three outs. Granted he looked good against a good lineup but come on man, the save is perhaps the most overrated stat in the game.Maddux got 21 outs for crying out loud. Lets see Trev keep it going for a while before you hand him the Cy Young.

I am not trying to give him the Cy Young dude. Stop trying to put words in my mouth. Trevor has struggled this year, and he is not such a guarantee anymore. This is probably his last year and we should all enjoy it while it lasts.

All I am really trying to say is; It can be very frustrating watching our team get so close to winning and then have the door slammed in our faces. I am simply trying to get people to stop coming on here and run their ignorant mouths about how Trevor is horrible and is done. Those are the same people are no where to be seen on days he locks down another save.

[RandomTask]

bud black's still retarded

you don't bring hoffman into a tie game

when will the jackass understand that?

Then every manager who ever managed a baseball game is retarded. Bochy did the same thing. In a tie game on the road you save your closer for a lead (witness Billy Wagner NOT coming in for the Mets). But your closer is "worthless" at home if you are tied after 8. There is no save opportunity in extra innings. You put your best relief pitcher (who is usually your closer at that point) to give you a chance to win it walk off style in the 9th.

And Trevor got the heart of the Mets line-up.

[RandomTask]

any contender who may need a set-up man

if i'm hoffman i'd seriously think about accepting any trade to a contender....if he's a real baseball player who plays for the ring....

if his plan is to retire anyway, why not go out trying to win it all, even in a supporting role.

he's got to know the padres are going nowhere fast

Would you take a part time job in Detroit if it meant better things for the company you worked for? He wants to retire a Padre which is why he took less money. Trevor ideally wants to win a ring here. Most likely it won't happen this year but the division came back to Earth real quick in the last month.

[AZLightsOut19]

bud black's still retarded

you don't bring hoffman into a tie game

when will the jackass understand that?
Who would you have brought in?

[RandomTask]

If you look back at my post I did give him props. I love Trevor I just think its his time. But dont get me wrong RT i respect what he has done and I just want to see him go out as the man and not a hasbeen, because if he isnt there yet he is close and thats just the facts.


The Trevor blew it are always louder than the Trevor saved te game. Maybe it's expected since it's his job but getting 3 outs regardless of the inning are tough even with a 3 run lead. Trevor has earned the right to go out however he wants.

No closer is infalliable (sp?). Lidge got rocked by Pujols in the NLCS a few years ago and was never the same in H-town. Now he's been lights out in Philly. He'll blow a save and people will be all over him. I remember going to Padres games at the Murph and Goose coming in. We'd make plans to get our "Goose Saved the Game" buttons. The one and only time I saw him blow a save was like finding out there was no Santa Claus and Easter Bunny on the same day. There were a few constants in my life at 10 years old ... the sky is blue and Goose Gossage will save the game. I was crushed. But I remember listening to the radio and he got the save the very next day and suddenly all is right with the world again. Closers have to have short term memories. Fans have to remember the 536 saves before crucifying him for blowing saves.

[JCDavey]

Who would you have brought in?anyone, trevor lacks the mentality to pitch in tie situations, he's proven this many times in the past

[JCDavey]

The Trevor blew it are always louder than the Trevor saved te game. Maybe it's expected since it's his job but getting 3 outs regardless of the inning are tough even with a 3 run lead. Trevor has earned the right to go out however he wants.

No closer is infalliable (sp?). Lidge got rocked by Pujols in the NLCS a few years ago and was never the same in H-town. Now he's been lights out in Philly. He'll blow a save and people will be all over him. I remember going to Padres games at the Murph and Goose coming in. We'd make plans to get our "Goose Saved the Game" buttons. The one and only time I saw him blow a save was like finding out there was no Santa Claus and Easter Bunny on the same day. There were a few constants in my life at 10 years old ... the sky is blue and Goose Gossage will save the game. I was crushed. But I remember listening to the radio and he got the save the very next day and suddenly all is right with the world again. Closers have to have short term memories. Fans have to remember the 536 saves before crucifying him for blowing saves.he's definitely earned the right , as evidenced by his no trade clause.

[RandomTask]

anyone

Cla Merrideth? Bryan Corey? You want your BEST pitcher for 1 inning to try to win it walk off style. If it goes to extra innings then it's Johnny All Staff but for the 9th it's Trevor Time. He's been doing it for so long why put a younger inexperienced player in that position

anyone, trevor lacks the mentality to pitch in tie situations, he's proven this many times in the past

Like last night? Or in the 9th of the 22 inning game? Or the many times in the past he does have 9th inning holds? Trevor himself has said that hitters can be more aggressive in a non-save situation because there's less pressure on them. When you are trailing by 2 or 3 there's more pressure to get on base, score runs.

Don't get me wrong I'm not president of the Trevor Hoffman fan club. There's some deserved citicism of him but not because he blew a couple saves.

[JCDavey]

Cla Merrideth? Bryan Corey? You want your BEST pitcher for 1 inning to try to win it walk off style. If it goes to extra innings then it's Johnny All Staff but for the 9th it's Trevor Time. He's been doing it for so long why put a younger inexperienced player in that position



Like last night? Or in the 9th of the 22 inning game? Or the many times in the past he does have 9th inning holds? Trevor himself has said that hitters can be more aggressive in a non-save situation because there's less pressure on them. When you are trailing by 2 or 3 there's more pressure to get on base, score runs.

Don't get me wrong I'm not president of the Trevor Hoffman fan club. There's some deserved citicism of him but not because he blew a couple saves.overall trevor lacks the mentality to be a tie game pitcher...it's just the truth man

managers who constantly put their closers in tie situations late are retarded, and black likes to do just that

[AZLightsOut19]

anyone, trevor lacks the mentality to pitch in tie situations, he's proven this many times in the past
I sorta agree with you. Only propblem is we honestly have nobody else in the pen that fits the "hold" role.

[mccharger]

I am not trying to give him the Cy Young dude. Stop trying to put words in my mouth. Trevor has struggled this year, and he is not such a guarantee anymore. This is probably his last year and we should all enjoy it while it lasts.

All I am really trying to say is; It can be very frustrating watching our team get so close to winning and then have the door slammed in our faces. I am simply trying to get people to stop coming on here and run their ignorant mouths about how Trevor is horrible and is done. Those are the same people are no where to be seen on days he locks down another save. No worries AZ its just my opininion. I didnt mean to put words in your mouth , I was just being sarcastic. Oh and Im always here when Trevor does good or bad, its not like Im not rooting for the guy. Lets just see how it plays out I guess. But lets not take too seriously, all in all it just a game....cheers bro:Cheers:

[RandomTask]

overall trevor lacks the mentality to be a tie game pitcher...it's just the truth man

*shakes head* You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! Have any stats to back it up? Or [The Dude] That's just, like, your opinion, man [/The Dude] I'm not sure if there is anything to show how many times he has pitched in a tie game and held the lead vs. giving up a run. I know he has given up runs in the 9th when the game was tied but I also pointed out 2 examples this season of games he had held. Mentality has nothing to do it!


managers who constantly put their closers in tie situations late are retarded, and black likes to do just that

So did Bochy. And Joe Torre. And Casey Stengal probably (although the closer position is realtively recent). Shall I go one? It's in the managerial baseball "book" like it or not. Maybe it was written by Corky from "Life Goes On" but it makes baseball sense to use your closer in the 9th at home in a tied ballgame because you won't have a save opportunity for the rest of the game.

[RandomTask]

Are there any threads about how Billy Wagner is done on the Mets board?

[tuckernsyler]

this was the last straw. i'm sick of this guy. please let Bell close out the games. you dumbass kevin towers

get a clue. just cause bell is a good in eighth doesn't mean he's a closer. treaver is fine get off his balls.


-EDIT- Debate opinion all you like, but watch the name calling. -EDIT-

[mccharger]

get a clue. just cause bell is a good in eighth doesn't mean he's a closer. treaver is fine get off his balls.Yes off his balls immediately!...Trevor says your getting to heavy to carry around.

[David110]

Now what about Mo Rivera. He gave up another go ahead HR today.

[JCDavey]

Now what about Mo Rivera. He gave up another go ahead HR today.it's because his idiot manager put him into a tie game

[leftyinthepen]

it's because his idiot manager put him into a tie game

i understand what you are saying, but i fail to see how not putting in the closer is going to be better...

when you are at home, and you are in the 9th inning or in extra innings, the save is taken out of the equation.....the closer will be needed eventually, because anytime the home pitcher takes the mound, the game will be tied...

the *book* says use the closer, at home, in the 9th of a tie game....not sure i quite agree, but the closer will have to be used sooner or later....

i don't see how holding out your best bullpen pitcher just because the game is tied gives you the best chance of winning.....

[AZLightsOut19]

i understand what you are saying, but i fail to see how not putting in the closer is going to be better...

when you are at home, and you are in the 9th inning or in extra innings, the save is taken out of the equation.....the closer will be needed eventually, because anytime the home pitcher takes the mound, the game will be tied...

the *book* says use the closer, at home, in the 9th of a tie game....not sure i quite agree, but the closer will have to be used sooner or later....

i don't see how holding out your best bullpen pitcher just because the game is tied gives you the best chance of winning.....Sometimes there really isn't a better option then putting the closer in. I don't mind it so much, however you look stupid as a manager when it doesnt work out.

[chargers2008]

In my opinion I think Bell pitches better than Trevor has been recently. For me thats not that big of a deal- what makes me frustrated is that people like Trevor and Brian Giles are getting a really unreasonable amount of money. Who needs 7 or 9 million a year? This is ridiculous because there are a ton of of players in the league doing just as good if not better than this pair for significantly less cash.

[RandomTask]

i understand what you are saying, but i fail to see how not putting in the closer is going to be better...

when you are at home, and you are in the 9th inning or in extra innings, the save is taken out of the equation.....the closer will be needed eventually, because anytime the home pitcher takes the mound, the game will be tied...

the *book* says use the closer, at home, in the 9th of a tie game....not sure i quite agree, but the closer will have to be used sooner or later....

i don't see how holding out your best bullpen pitcher just because the game is tied gives you the best chance of winning.....

Forget it he's already made up his mind...

[RandomTask]

In my opinion I think Bell pitches better than Trevor has been recently. For me thats not that big of a deal- what makes me frustrated is that people like Trevor and Brian Giles are getting a really unreasonable amount of money. Who needs 7 or 9 million a year? This is ridiculous because there are a ton of of players in the league doing just as good if not better than this pair for significantly less cash.


Maybe because they've paid their dues and have earned their salaries with their service? Every athlete is "overpaid". I need 7 or 9 million dollars but I don't hit left handed or throw a change-up so I continue my 9 to 5 job.

[leftyinthepen]

In my opinion I think Bell pitches better than Trevor has been recently. For me thats not that big of a deal- what makes me frustrated is that people like Trevor and Brian Giles are getting a really unreasonable amount of money. Who needs 7 or 9 million a year? This is ridiculous because there are a ton of of players in the league doing just as good if not better than this pair for significantly less cash.

that is what the market bears.....not the fault of the players....if some fool is going to give $7 million a year to play ball, why wouldn't they take it?

it's the economics of the game, not the fault of the players....

trevor has earned any amount of money he gets from the padres....IMO, he is underpaid the past two seasons, but he took the *san diego discount* to stay here.....

[leftyinthepen]

Maybe because they've paid their dues and have earned their salaries with their service? Every athlete is "overpaid". I need 7 or 9 million dollars but I don't hit left handed or throw a change-up so I continue my 9 to 5 job.

maybe the next time you get 35K people to show up paying $15 a ticket to watch you do your job, you can actually ask for a raise, or hold out or something....

i know i would

[RandomTask]

maybe the next time you get 35K people to show up paying $15 a ticket to watch you do your job, you can actually ask for a raise, or hold out or something....

i know i would

If people complain about paying $15 to see a "boring" Padres team think how much they'd complain to see me work. Hey look he's on Chargers.com again!

[AZLightsOut19]

If people complain about paying $15 to see a "boring" Padres team think how much they'd complain to see me work. Hey look he's on Chargers.com again!
HAHAHA!!!!

[David110]

Speaking of saying bye bye, look at Billy Wagner. 3 blown saves in a row.

[JCDavey]

Speaking of saying bye bye, look at Billy Wagner. 3 blown saves in a row.that dude was never anything special

mitch williams, eric gagne mold, flash in the pan (or in their cases ..."pen")

[David110]

that dude was never anything special

mitch williams, eric gagne mold, flash in the pan (or in their cases ..."pen")

So there is a standard now?? Since when has this come into play??

[JCDavey]

So there is a standard now?? Since when has this come into play??longevity is the standard

wagner's always been a letdown

[David110]

longevity is the standard

wagner's always been a letdown

Even with the letdowns, he's still a closer.

[RandomTask]

longevity is the standard

wagner's always been a letdown


371 saves?