Ray Lewis???

[Libbie]

http://www.fannation.com/message_boards/show_topic/49703-ray-lewis-to-chargers

okay to some this may seem far fetched but i met ray lewis in a bar in maryland a week or two or ago

and i was pretty excited to see a legend in front of me so i went up to him and asked if he wanted anything to drink, i ended up getting both of us some shots and we started talking and i asked him, whats the deal with this free agency and he openly told me that him and his agent are really leaning towards SD he said he thinks they are the team that fits him the best.

just think if all goes well. merriman, phillips, and LEWIS do the fans of SD think this would be a good move? i think so! hopefully it was more than bar talk because to me it seemed like it was being i never brought up that i was a charger fan. (until after he mentioned haha)

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Not sure AJ wants to sign Lewis, but we could surely use a veteran leadership to mentor Coop, Siler, Waters, and Dobbins....

Merriman and Phillips outside, Cooper and Lewis inside... RR calling plays? hmm i think i can live with that!

Hope he didn't ask too much money if that's true..... probably he just want another ring..... whereas he might doubt Ravens can get one before he retire, or he got tired of the cold in Baltimore and going for San Diego warmth.

I wish that guy (who claimed never bring up the fact that he is a charger fan) realize what he is wearing.... I mean come on, if he wore powder blue chargers jersey, or a baseball cap with chargers lightning bolt, then Lewis would recognize him as a Chargers fans anyway...

[Ironpump]

http://www.fannation.com/message_boards/show_topic/49703-ray-lewis-to-chargers

okay to some this may seem far fetched but i met ray lewis in a bar in maryland a week or two or ago

and i was pretty excited to see a legend in front of me so i went up to him and asked if he wanted anything to drink, i ended up getting both of us some shots and we started talking and i asked him, whats the deal with this free agency and he openly told me that him and his agent are really leaning towards SD he said he thinks they are the team that fits him the best.

just think if all goes well. merriman, phillips, and LEWIS do the fans of SD think this would be a good move? i think so! hopefully it was more than bar talk because to me it seemed like it was being i never brought up that i was a charger fan. (until after he mentioned haha)

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Not sure AJ wants to sign Lewis, but we could surely use a veteran leadership to mentor Coop, Siler, Waters, and Dobbins....

Merriman and Phillips outside, Cooper and Lewis inside... RR calling plays? hmm i think i can live with that!

Hope he didn't ask too much money if that's true..... probably he just want another ring..... whereas he might doubt Ravens can get one before he retire, or he got tired of the cold in Baltimore and going for San Diego warmth.

I wish that guy (who claimed never bring up the fact that he is a charger fan) realize what he is wearing.... I mean come on, if he wore powder blue chargers jersey, or a baseball cap with chargers lightning bolt, then Lewis would recognize him as a Chargers fans anyway...


Lets see here he chats with a guy when there are women around thats hard to believe. Anyway after this far fetched story to probably appease the guy to go away if its true, Lewis is looking for a last payday in Dallas who are offering a 3 year 34 million contract or the Ravens who will offer generally the same maybe 2 years.

[smlman2]

lol so Ray lewis not only wants to come to SD... he told you... a complete stranger his plans without any hesitation... if it happens i will apologize to you... but im not worried about having to... how soon after he told you this did you wake up?

[Air Norv]

LT needs to take a pay cut if we want to sign Ray.

[boltguy87]

Sure I'd love to believe this. But come on, that is just rediculous. Ray lewis doesnt just go to bars alone talking to random football fans about what he is planning on doing in the upcoming season. So as I said, I'd love for it to happen but we aren't going to break the bank for a player that long in the tooth, even a player as great as ray lewis.

[TurnerThaBurner]

Either Ray Ray or Bart Scott would be fine with me! :cool: I'd LOVE to see one of 'em wearing Charger blue!

[hawki019]

Lewis is looking to become the highest paid LB in history.. He has been quoted saying "Do I play less, No, Why should I get paid less." You got any idea what the Cowboys will offer if given the chance.. He can get a ring on his current team..

[Ironpump]

Lewis is looking to become the highest paid LB in history.. He has been quoted saying "Do I play less, No, Why should I get paid less." You got any idea what the Cowboys will offer if given the chance.. He can get a ring on his current team..

The Cowboys are offering 3 years for 34 million its a rumor though.

[Partyboy]

If LT is too expensive, and he really wants to win, why not go to LT and tell him that they will go after Ray Ray if LT will take a pay cut? If they could get Lewis, the Chargers would immediately be SB favorites. Just the thought of Lewis, Merriman and Phillips is exciting. And with the pressure we could put on opposing QBs, the secondary would look like they did two years ago. Additionally, Merriman will be a free agent at the end of this year so locking up Lewis (likely for less than it would take to resign Merriman) would ensure that the Chargers remain AFC west favorites for another couple of years and help keep us strong as we face the inevitable RB changing of the guard in the near future. This would be a great move. If AJ is willing to give up a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick to get Devin Hester, he should be willing to aggressively pursue Lewis. He needs another blockbuster deal to get back some of his GM swagger and this would be it.

[ltinabottle]

Lewis brings that ingredient the Chargers lacked for most of the season. Intensity! He also brings leadership and he just makes plays. A tackling machine who can read defenses and help teammates prepare to be Super Bowl champs. I'm not sure if we can afford him...it would have take some creative budgeting for the short term to land Ray.

Go Bolts

[mouwie]

"A week or two ago". I think that if I had a conversation with Ray Lewis about coming to San Diego I'd recall the date. Cheers

[Satcong_21]

C'mon guys, we are all Chargers fans here and let's just say the story is real, it is awesome to know Ray Ray wants to play here...Although it is abit stranger for a high profile NFL player to be talking about where he wants to play to a stranger. I have met many Chargers and most of them say nothing but "cool" and "thanks" with smiles and handshakes...Maybe I just have to get them a few drinks to open up...

I really think Ray Lewis have a 2-3 years left in him with this SD sunshine weather. Other than his physical plays, the guy is like a motivator and a coach playing. And that is what the Chargers seriously lacked last year without Merriman. He is proven and we need that to further anchoring the front 7. And abit off topic, get Adrian Wilson (FA?) to anchor the backfield. Those 2 will take our defense a notch higher at least. Our defense have players just not leaders...

One thing about Ray coming here...I am not sure how Cromartie feel about a "U" to be his teammate and I know Ray ain't gonna be quiet about it..

[andocug]

I know Merriman looks up to Ray and would love to have him on the team. Ray also has huge respect for LT.

As much as I'd love for Ray to be on our team, I just can't see it happening. First off, he's a legend in Baltimore and I'd imagine that he'd play there if offered a pay cut versus here.

Second, teams like the Cowboys are going to offer him big bucks. I wouldn't be surprised if he got offers for $5-$6 mil a year with a significant signing bonus. Can't see him moving out all the way across the country to play for $3-$4 mil a year.

[Air Norv]

I am not sure how Cromartie feel about a "U" to be his teammate

I don't think he cares. Not like he is a big part of seminole history. Lewis and Siler are good friends and Siler was a gator.

We don't have the money to sign Ray, wish we did...

[Satcong_21]

I know Merriman looks up to Ray and would love to have him on the team. Ray also has huge respect for LT.

As much as I'd love for Ray to be on our team, I just can't see it happening. First off, he's a legend in Baltimore and I'd imagine that he'd play there if offered a pay cut versus here.

Second, teams like the Cowboys are going to offer him big bucks. I wouldn't be surprised if he got offers for $5-$6 mil a year with a significant signing bonus. Can't see him moving out all the way across the country to play for $3-$4 mil a year.

You make it sounded like the guy is moving cross country with his horse and wagon...Plus it is not like he is moving to a boonie.

I know 1 million between 4-5 and 5-6 mil is significant for most of us, but for Ray, it is not as much as where he wants to play.

However, I just don't see him coming here...Unless the Chargers are the only team he wants to play for or retire...Although if Bart Scott and Terrell Suggs are gone, he probably gonna jump ship as well.

[Satcong_21]

I don't think he cares. Not like he is a big part of seminole history. Lewis and Siler are good friends and Siler was a gator.

We don't have the money to sign Ray, wish we did...

Hahah, I should have put a "rolleyes" after that sentence. I know that was just trying being funny.

[GoTalkSports]

There is NO chance Lewis is in a Chargers uniform at any point in his Career. The only way he ends up in San Diego is perhaps 10 years from now...in a Padres uniform...being that the Padres love to sign players in the down turn of their career with nothing left in the tank. :)

[SuperBowlBolts]

A few years back I remember Ray Lewis saying at the pro-bowl during an interview he would love to play with a guy like Merriman...but with that said I really doubt he'd come here. AJ is not the type of guy to shell out $$$$ in FA. But that would be an amazing thing to watch next year, Merriman and Lewis on the field at the same time.

[31cromartie31]

Very unrealistic, he is a different player to what the Chargers want at ILB.
We want a 3-4 ILB that specialises in stopping the pass.

[Ironpump]

A few years back I remember Ray Lewis saying at the pro-bowl during an interview he would love to play with a guy like Merriman...but with that said I really doubt he'd come here. AJ is not the type of guy to shell out $$$$ in FA. But that would be an amazing thing to watch next year, Merriman and Lewis on the field at the same time.

Pro Bowl=where he plays with Merriman not the Chargers

[Air Norv]

Very unrealistic, he is a different player to what the Chargers want at ILB.
We want a 3-4 ILB that specialises in stopping the pass.

No, we need someone who can do it all well. Not just one thing.

[52decleetzu]

No, we need someone who can do it all well. Not just one thing.

Ray has actually put on weight purposely (to be a little more stout against the run)and while he has great instincts the rare times when he specifically drops in coverage,his speed isnt nearly what it once was.Everyone in Baltimore is bracing for the day that some poor soul has to tell him to come off the field on 3rd downs or obvious passing situations.......thats not gonna go over very well with Ray.

[Ironpump]

Ray has actually put on weight purposely (to be a little more stout against the run)and while he has great instincts the rare times when he specifically drops in coverage,his speed isnt nearly what it once was.Everyone in Baltimore is bracing for the day that some poor soul has to tell him to come off the field on 3rd downs or obvious passing situations.......thats not gonna go over very well with Ray.

Now I know why he looks fatter then usual lol

[Ironpump]

No, we need someone who can do it all well. Not just one thing.

Cough Kaluka Maiava cough

[boltguy87]

I really think Ray Lewis have a 2-3 years left in him with this SD sunshine weather. Other than his physical plays, the guy is like a motivator and a coach playing. And that is what the Chargers seriously lacked last year without Merriman. He is proven and we need that to further anchoring the front 7. And abit off topic, get Adrian Wilson (FA?) to anchor the backfield. Those 2 will take our defense a notch higher at least. Our defense have players just not leaders....


Maybe I am confused or something... are you saying that we should sign Ray Lewis AND Adrian Wilson? That is literally impossible. That would be 2 huge signings. AJ typically wouldn't sign either one because both of them will want a lot of money so it would be a stretch to get one stud free agent. 2 just won't happen.

[52decleetzu]

Now I know why he looks fatter then usual lol

In past years he played at 245-250 lbs,this past year he played at 260lbs.

I think it had to do with durability as well,when you are slamming RB's play after play that can wear you down especialy at his age,and like I said it is rare when he specifically drops into coverage these days.

[barro]

Rumor today has it that if the Ravens cant sign Lewis they will tag him.

[Ironpump]

Rumor today has it that if the Ravens cant sign Lewis they will tag him.

They won't that is 11 million for a year. They would probably tag Suggs over Lewis

[andocug]

I for one will be shocked if Lewis leaves the Ravens. I think Suggs stays too. Not sure about Scott - if he hits the market, there will be a bidding war for his services.

[52decleetzu]

Rumor today has it that if the Ravens cant sign Lewis they will tag him.

Not true.

The Ravens owner specifically said the franchise tag is not an option because of Rays age and the price....which would be extremely high due to the unique situation with Rays salary last year.have to pay him 120% of last years,not the top 5 average which pushes it over $11 million as stated before.

They would love to give him 411 million guaranteed.....to lock him up for the next 3 years and have him finish his career in Baltimore.1 year for $11 million plus aint happening.

[hankster]

Sure I'd love to believe this. But come on, that is just rediculous. Ray lewis doesnt just go to bars alone talking to random football fans about what he is planning on doing in the upcoming season. So as I said, I'd love for it to happen but we aren't going to break the bank for a player that long in the tooth, even a player as great as ray lewis.

Oh come on. Sure he does. Matter of fact I was there and happened to buy LT a few drinks and he said he would put in a few good words on Ray with AJ. And then I met Peyton and he said he'd like to come to SD to be Phil's backup. Man, that was one good bar.

[Shu420]

Merriman and Lewis would be the scariest d in the league ( just had to dream about it for a minute ) :)

[ReggieF]

We don't need another linebacker, we already have Phillips on the left and we will have Merriman back next year on the right, then on pass coverage we already have Cromartie, Jammer, Cason and Weddle, what we need is a quick defensive lineman, preferably on the right side, where a quick pass rusher can be most effective (blindsiding the quarterback).

IMO the answer is OBVIOUS, it's Julius Peppers. He's already stated he wants to leave Carolina, he wants a 3-4 defense and he wants a defense that needs him and WE need him in San Diego (what better place to get away from your home town than beautiful SD?). Igor Olshansky and Jamal Williams are both very good, but they lack speed and Williams might be getting a little old, they might want to switch Castillo for Williams and find someone quick for right tackle. I would suggest trading Tomlinson for Peppers in a heartbeat, but given the 2008 surprise success of Carolina's back DeAngelo Williams, I don't think they're going to be that interested in LT. However, maybe another team could use LT after we trade for Peppers... I'm really hoping that during the off season we get a good right side pass rusher... our defense just needs a little more pressure on the quarterback.

[Ironpump]

We don't need another linebacker, we already have Phillips on the left and we will have Merriman back next year on the right, then on pass coverage we already have Cromartie, Jammer, Cason and Weddle, what we need is a quick defensive lineman, preferably on the right side, where a quick pass rusher can be most effective (blindsiding the quarterback).

IMO the answer is OBVIOUS, it's Julius Peppers. He's already stated he wants to leave Carolina, he wants a 3-4 defense and he wants a defense that needs him and WE need him in San Diego (what better place to get away from your home town than beautiful SD?). Igor Olshansky and Jamal Williams are both very good, but they lack speed and Williams might be getting a little old, they might want to switch Castillo for Williams and find someone quick for right tackle. I would suggest trading Tomlinson for Peppers in a heartbeat, but given the 2008 surprise success of Carolina's back DeAngelo Williams, I don't think they're going to be that interested in LT. However, maybe another team could use LT after we trade for Peppers... I'm really hoping that during the off season we get a good right side pass rusher... our defense just needs a little more pressure on the quarterback.

You sure sound like you know your stuff and the Chargers lmao

[ReggieF]

You sure sound like you know your stuff and the Chargers lmao
Yes, I know it's my first post and I know signing Peppers would be a one in a million chance given his cost, but what else makes you think I don't know the team? Or the game maybe? I'm willing to learn, just say what's on your mind... my lingo might be off, I'm obviously new here, what else?

[ltfan18]

Yes, I know it's my first post and I know signing Peppers would be a one in a million chance given his cost, but what else makes you think I don't know the team? Or the game maybe? I'm willing to learn, just say what's on your mind... my lingo might be off, I'm obviously new here, what else?
Well actually Peppers wants to be an OLB so that wouldn't work. He would have to bump one of our outstanding OLB's and i don't see AJ doing that for someone who is not that much of an upgrade.

[Tish Tiggla]

Ray would be a nice pickup!

[Ironpump]

Yes, I know it's my first post and I know signing Peppers would be a one in a million chance given his cost, but what else makes you think I don't know the team? Or the game maybe? I'm willing to learn, just say what's on your mind... my lingo might be off, I'm obviously new here, what else?

Cause it looks like your infatuated with Peppers. Unless he plays the 5T which I doubt he wants to do and takes a hefty pay cut he won't be a Charger. Igor is not good or even as good as you say seeing as how he won't be back. Castillo can replace Jamal Williams? Is it because he is fat and 300 pounds? He is a DE not a NT. If we were to trade LT for someone it should be a safety or draft picks not Peppers who would take our whole salary cap which is the exact reason LT might be gone although he won't if he restructures.

[chargerbomb]

Yes, I know it's my first post and I know signing Peppers would be a one in a million chance given his cost, but what else makes you think I don't know the team? Or the game maybe? I'm willing to learn, just say what's on your mind... my lingo might be off, I'm obviously new here, what else?

Peppers is a pass-rushing specialist, and in a 3-4 alignment the pass-rushers line up at OLB. We already have 2 good OLBs in Merriman and Phillips. The defensive ends are primarily run-stoppers, something that Peppers is not very good at. He wouldn't fit on our team.

Plus Peppers is lazy. Once he gets his contract he'll go back to taking half the plays off. Trust me, the Chargers don't want him.

[ReggieF]

Peppers is a pass-rushing specialist, and in a 3-4 alignment the pass-rushers line up at OLB. We already have 2 good OLBs in Merriman and Phillips. The defensive ends are primarily run-stoppers, something that Peppers is not very good at.
Well actually Peppers wants to be an OLB so that wouldn't work.

Ahhh, ok, I was under the impression that Peppers wanted to stay as a defensive end. I definitely think we should keep Merriman and Phillips right where they are, but our D-line doesn't have much speed. So I guess that's typical of a 3-4 defense but I thought Peppers stated that he wanted to play in a 3-4 because he wanted to be the lone, quick DE all by himself... Which I think is a great idea, as you can tell. I still think it's a good idea if that is what he meant, teams would have to double cover him every time, which would be a HUGE advantage to our aforementioned linebackers. And if they don't bring double coverage, then it's probably a run play, makes sense right?

I personally don't think he's lazy, he just plays for a team that's extremely inconsistent and doesn't have much defensive coherence. Did anyone see the pro-bowl? Those were pro-bowl lineman he was walking over and he made big plays on both the left and right sides of the field... that takes talent imo.

Castillo can replace Jamal Williams? Is it because he is fat and 300 pounds?

Yea, pretty much... because I'm hoping we get some pressure on the QB in addition to Merriman and Phillips. During the Pittsburgh game I was almost embarassed by our defense not getting to Rothlesberger and letting him make big plays, I think 2 TD passes he made should've been sacks. As soon as Ben was out of the pocket, we seemed to have no pressure on him... I think we need someone who can chase a QB down, and I think that person should be on our right side of our D-line because most QBs are right handed and their left side is more their blindside.

PS: Sorry for stealing the thread... but I think the idea of Lewis coming to SD is an even worse idea than Peppers coming to SD, because we already have two great linebackers on both sides of the field, I don't see where Ray would fit in.

[Air Norv]

bwhahahaha

Luis playing Nose

thats a laugh.

[31air-cro31]

funny because the same thing happened to me and tom brady told me him and randy moss want to come play for us

[Ironpump]

Ahhh, ok, I was under the impression that Peppers wanted to stay as a defensive end. I definitely think we should keep Merriman and Phillips right where they are, but our D-line doesn't have much speed. So I guess that's typical of a 3-4 defense but I thought Peppers stated that he wanted to play in a 3-4 because he wanted to be the lone, quick DE all by himself... Which I think is a great idea, as you can tell. I still think it's a good idea if that is what he meant, teams would have to double cover him every time, which would be a HUGE advantage to our aforementioned linebackers. And if they don't bring double coverage, then it's probably a run play, makes sense right?

I personally don't think he's lazy, he just plays for a team that's extremely inconsistent and doesn't have much defensive coherence. Did anyone see the pro-bowl? Those were pro-bowl lineman he was walking over and he made big plays on both the left and right sides of the field... that takes talent imo.



Yea, pretty much... because I'm hoping we get some pressure on the QB in addition to Merriman and Phillips. During the Pittsburgh game I was almost embarassed by our defense not getting to Rothlesberger and letting him make big plays, I think 2 TD passes he made should've been sacks. As soon as Ben was out of the pocket, we seemed to have no pressure on him... I think we need someone who can chase a QB down, and I think that person should be on our right side of our D-line because most QBs are right handed and their left side is more their blindside.

PS: Sorry for stealing the thread... but I think the idea of Lewis coming to SD is an even worse idea than Peppers coming to SD, because we already have two great linebackers on both sides of the field, I don't see where Ray would fit in.

So besides Cooper who is that other stud ILB we have? Peppers wants to come to a 3-4 to play the 5T? Odd lets see Harrison,Merriman,Woodley,Ware,Suggs,Porter are all having more success in getting sacks then DEs in a 4-3. Now I'm not sure what he will get out of playing DE in a 3-4. Seymour,Castillo,Keisel,Smith,Warren,Pryce not your general household names. Peppers clearly wants to play OLB I'm not sure why most people say he wants to play DE it makes no sense unless he loves to be the next Bruce Smith.

[JOJAX85]

Didn't see it posted, but just saw where Dansby was franchised. I knew AJ is not a big FA signer, but was doin a lil wishful hoping. So much for that with him. Petterson w/ Jax. is still on my wishful hopes list, though.

[52decleetzu]

Merriman and Lewis would be the scariest d in the league ( just had to dream about it for a minute ) :)

Yes they would.

BTW Charger fans the Ravens just signed Brandon McKinney to a 3 year deal....whats the story with him??

I heard some around here say he might replace Jamal eventually.

He played great down the stretch for us last year.

[smlman2]

i thought Mckinney got cut in training camp... i didnt see him on the roster all year...

[darrensproles]

Terrell Suggs is franchised.What are the chances of us signing Ray Lewis now?

[52decleetzu]

i thought Mckinney got cut in training camp... i didnt see him on the roster all year...

Oh I thought he was on your practice squad,and we got him from there.

[Ironpump]

Oh I thought he was on your practice squad,and we got him from there.

Wasn't he with the Ravens for 2008?

[52decleetzu]

Wasn't he with the Ravens for 2008?

He was for 3/4 of the year,when Kelly Gregg went on IR after week 6 we signed him.I thought he was on your practice squad,and we didnt pick him up off the street.I will have to check back and see.

Edit-Seems that when Stephen Cooper returned last year you released Mckinney.4 days later The Ravens signed him....not sure if he was released from the 53 man roster or practice squad....looks like the 53 man roster actually.

When Jamal Williams got hurt in 07 McKinney took his place.He also played in 14 out of 16 games in 2007 on the Dline rotation.

http://www.chargers.com/team/roster/brandon-mckinney.htm


Last year in 2007, McKinney’s second professional season, he saw time at both nose tackle and defensive end. When Pro Bowl nose tackle Jamal Williams was bothered by injuries late in the season, McKinney stepped up his game. He posted a career-high six tackles in Dec. 9 win at Tennessee and had three stops in each of the Bolts’ last three regular-season contests.

A former undrafted free agent, McKinney split time between the practice squad and the active roster as a rookie. The former Michigan State Spartan has benefited from working under veteran defensive line coach Wayne Nunnely and is expected to continue to provide valuable depth in 2008.


You guys seriously dont remember this guy????

[TurnerThaBurner]

Wasn't he with the Ravens for 2008?


Yeah, McKinney was with the Ravens last year... and so was Divens. :(


Someone remind AJ & our coaching staff NOT to cut anymore NTs that we bring in...

[Alex11]

no matter how unlikely it is, its still pretty cool to think about Merriman, Phillips, and Ray all in the same uniform. Theyd make the secondary look like a hall of fame unit......

[SDynasty858]

-Lastly, Ray Lewis is almost certainly going to return to Baltimore. There just wasn't much of a market for him with Bart Scott going to the Jets. Schefter thinks keeping Lewis is the right move because the team would take a big hit on the defense.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/54402/index.html?eref=fromSI

not gonna happen.

[SDynasty858]

Yeah, McKinney was with the Ravens last year... and so was Divens. :(


Someone remind AJ & our coaching staff NOT to cut anymore NTs that we bring in...

too bad they sucked and arent doing crap for baltimore either.

[biggestfan]

The thing I like about lewis is his intensity and leadership. If we got him by some miracle he'd add another dimension to our defense. Hoping of course he wouldn't be an accomplice to any felonies.

[andocug]

Lewis is a beast on the field and also when negotiating a new contract.

He wants too much money and we can't afford him. He'll finish out his career with the Ravens unless someone makes him a mega-offer.

We're much better off discussing more realistic LBs we could bring in like Burnett and Peterson. We have as much of a chance (that of a snowball in hell) at landing Lewis as we do in signing James or Rodney Harrison.

[norcaldiscgolf1]

Ray Lewis is officially a Raven again

Rex Ryan made up for some of Lewis' shortcomings as of late. He is not what he used to be in terms of ability to cover and his agility all together. That being said, the emotional/motivational leader boost would have been through the roof for this team but I'm glad he is not a charger and will finish his career in Baltimore where he belongs, just like LT belongs in SD