Bountygate Thread

[JoeMcRugby]

Originally Posted by Chimmy187

I didn't know that Joe. Thanks for clearing that up. Is it fair to say...coaches don't get the same level of love in the HOF voting that franchise players do?

Still though, he's a coach at heart...it's in his blood and this opportunity was gift wrapped for him.

If you're inducting a coach, that's one less player that gets in during each given season. Right now there's already a big backlog of HOF statistically worthy players, so Parcells needs the right opening that won't necessarily come when he turns age 75 at the earliest. Reports are that HOF induction is exceedingly important to the Big Tuna.

He's a coach at heart, but "sources" close to Parcells (accoring to the "media") state that while Parcells still enjoys the gameday coaching part, he is burned out on the 12-15 hour workdays that goes on 7 days a week from July - January. I think it's still up in the air as to whether he steps back into the meatgrinder at age 70.

[Boltar]

I beleive Goodell came down hard to distance himself from past, present and future liability as well as player safety and sportmanship.

The league is already facing hundreds of pre-bountygate lawsuites from former players basicaly claiming that the league did not do enough to protect them. Bountygate is a smoking gun and a huge legal problem for the NFL.

IMO, 75% financial concern, 25% concern over player safety/ resposibility/image.

[Charanna]

This "stall" tatic the suspended Saints are using,

shows me nothing, but an arrogant act of defiance,

and to me, appears as though they're literally showing

NO remorse for their actions. Gregg Williams not included here.

I hope Goodell stays true to his word.

Does Sean Payton think he's gonna coach from his couch?


On top of that, I'm getting the impression that the NFLPA

will purposely drag their feet regarding the supposed investigation

of the players, as they have with the HGH testing.



This part of the NFL business makes me nuts.

[Rek]

Saints players all won their appeals.

Absolute crap IMO.

[SDCPB]

Originally Posted by Rek

Saints players all won their appeals.

Absolute crap IMO.

Yeah. This disgusts me.

[thumper300zx]

Originally Posted by Rek

Saints players all won their appeals.

Absolute crap IMO.

Wow. Pretty shocking. Hard to say after that if the message is believable anymore.

[JoeMcRugby]

The players temporarily "got off" on a technicality. It gets dropped back into Goodell's lap to make a "new" decision.

Bounty suspensions will now go back to the Commissioner
Posted by Mike Florio on September 7, 2012, 4:07 PM EDT

The players suspended by Commissioner Roger Goodell for involvement in the Saints bounty suspension rightfully have claimed victory.

For now.

Inspection of the four-page summary decision signed by Richard J. Howell on behalf of a unanimous three-person panel reveals that the case will now go back to Goodell. The panel decided that, based on the various overlapping jurisdictions of Goodell and the “System Arbitrator” and others under the labor deal, it’s unclear that the suspensions imposed by Goodell fall within his jurisdiction, and not the jurisdiction of the “System Arbitrator.”

For the rest: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-commissioner/

Goodell can impose the same penalties if he so desires, although the players can play in games until the "new" decision is issued.

[marion butts]

Originally Posted by JoeMcRugby

The players temporarily "got off" on a technicality. It gets dropped back into Goodell's lap to make a "new" decision.



Goodell can impose the same penalties if he so desires, although the players can play in games until the "new" decision is issued.

Nfl network scroll adds a bit more saying he can suspend these players if he submits proof of intent to injure players for money. Hopefully that 2000 page document that "floored" Peter king will be submitted instead of the junk I've seen so far.

[JoeMcRugby]

Originally Posted by marion butts

Nfl network scroll adds a bit more saying he can suspend these players if he submits proof of intent to injure players for money. Hopefully that 2000 page document that "floored" Peter king will be submitted instead of the junk I've seen so far.

Like I said (as does Florio), the appeal was upheld on a technicality.

The panel determined that the Commissioner's power to impose discipline for salary cap violations (pay for performance) and for conduct detrimental to the game (pay to injure) are separate powers.

The arbitration panel decided it’s not entirely clear whether Goodell imposed the suspensions under his authority to prevent conduct detrimental to the game or whether he infringed on the exclusive power of the “System Arbitrator” to penalize violations of the salary cap, arising from the fact that money potentially changed hands in connection with the pay-for-performance/bounty program.

Goodell needs weed the 2,000 page document to exclude the "pay for performance" evidence and only include evidence that supports the position that the players were paid (or offers were made to pay) for injuring / attempting to injure opponents.

The NFL lawyers apparently screwed up.

[chargertom]

Question is ... will Goodell cave, or will he throw the book at these guys again?

I've been a fan of Goodell, but if he changes his mind and reduces the penalties, I'll have a different opinion of him.

Vilma being so happy makes me sick.