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Old 11-05-2012, 05:51 PM
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I'll keep watching Montgomery specifically with an eye towards that. Thoughts on Moore?



That is true. It's both good and bad... he is off the ball faster than anyone.
Not faster than Werner. Elite first step.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:57 PM
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Not faster than Werner. Elite first step.
It's hard not seeing them side by side, but watching both separately I have no idea how anyone could make a clear call on that. But definitely both very fast off the snap. Werner has finished a lot better than Mingo though.

My comment, however, was referring to anyone on the LSU line.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:10 PM
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Shock - You're overlooking my guy Banks, who is a perfect fit for our Cover 3 scheme. Can be physical, will play the run, just not consistent in that area yet. Doesn't have the agility or recovery speed of a nickel or pure man corner. But we don't need that. Has length, and enough speed to be a successful #1 CB.

FWIW, Mingo has the quickest snap off the ball, Jarvis Jones is a close second. Werner isn't in their league imo
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:17 PM
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I'll keep watching Montgomery specifically with an eye towards that. Thoughts on Moore?
I need to see more. He compares similarly to Montgomery. Quicker first step, better pursuit. Lacks the polish. I like Montgomery quite a bit. He has counter moves, doesn't give up, hard effort. He is very stout against the run, he can control his gap, stack and shed to make plays. Moore makes plays in the run game but more often than not it is from backside pursuit or penetration at the LOS. I'll take the guy who can stack and shed, that's what JPP does so well besides rushing the passer.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:20 PM
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Shock - You're overlooking my guy Banks, who is a perfect fit for our Cover 3 scheme. Can be physical, will play the run, just not consistent in that area yet. Doesn't have the agility or recovery speed of a nickel or pure man corner. But we don't need that. Has length, and enough speed to be a successful #1 CB.

FWIW, Mingo has the quickest snap off the ball, Jarvis Jones is a close second. Werner isn't in their league imo
True. I guess before I make a statement like that I need to look at Banks more.

This is the only online video of a "recent game" I can find of Werner.


And he does this regularly on Saturdays. That is some crazy **** right there.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:23 PM
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From what I have seen so far, this years CB class is crap. I don't see a single must have CB in this class - certainly not anyone that could start their rookie year. All are projects with Xavier Rhodes having the highest ceiling, but I have my doubts about his lack of physical play (honestly reminds me of Antonio Cromartie in more ways than one) and ability to stay healthy.

Milliner, touted by some as the best CB in this class isn't even a pure corner. He's currently only a nickel option - a damn good one, but still only a nickel option. I do love his physical play.

We do need a new corner badly, but OLB/DE and OT have much better prospects.

Oh, and I really like Cornelius Carradine and Werner.
What? Milliner looks as ready to start day 1, as does Banks. Rhodes is rawer than them, but shows a good amount of technique. Poyer as well is pretty far a long.

This year's class is a lot better than last in terms of depth. And Milliner is a lot further along than Claiborne, but is not the same level prospect. Notch below.
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Not faster than Werner. Elite first step.
Uuuuuuuh.......

You won't find a faster first step than Mingo. He can fly off the snap.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:29 PM
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What? Milliner looks as ready to start day 1, as does Banks. Rhodes is rawer than them, but shows a good amount of technique. Poyer as well is pretty far a long.

This year's class is a lot better than last in terms of depth. And Milliner is a lot further along than Claiborne, but is not the same level prospect. Notch below.
I reserve the right to change my mind at a later date.

Right now though I wouldn't draft any of those guys until late in the 1st. And Milliner top of the 2nd.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:22 PM
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Werner does have an elite first step compared to the last couple classes of pass rusher. In this class I'll still take Mingo and Jones.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:05 AM
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As much as I might like Demarcus Milliner, my concern is that, even if he cn be a good shutdown corner, it's his lack of tackling fundamentals. He doesn't show good form tackling at all, and it makes me think if he'd be like Cromartie, even without the offield issues.
I don't understand the "he can't tackle" claim on Milliner. He is nothing like Cromartie. He plays very aggressively and tackles fine. I think people are basing this off like one youtube video in which he misses a couple tackles.
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