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View Poll Results: Do you think the Chargers made the right decision in not resigning VJ?
Yes they made the right choice in letting VJ go 48 33.10%
Way too early to tell 13 8.97%
No they made the wrong choice and should have matched TB's offer for VJ 72 49.66%
At least they'll get a Bacon, Lettuce, Tomato sammwich for him 12 8.28%
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:16 PM
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Default Do you think the Chargers made the right decisions in not resigning VJ?

I know this week having to play the Bucs, this has been a question that has been tossed around a lot but lets have an actual thread and poll to vote on.

So lets get the facts straight. Vincent Jackson was drafted by us in 06, was developed into a pro bowl star WR here in San Diego and is now a top 5 WR in the NFL. He had his run ins with the law but had seemingly fixed all those issues after the 09 season and there was the infamous contract dispute between AJ and VJ during the '10 season which led to VJ missing many games. Then we franchise tagged him after that season and he went on to have yet another 1,000 yard season yet the Chargers chose not to resign him following the '11 season. He was asking for MEGA money in $55 million contract but the Chargers felt like going in a different direction.

Many pundits thought that he was only good because of a pro bowl QB Phillip Rivers and playing in Norv Turner's offense. However, he has proved them all wrong. Through 8 games this season he has 710 yards and 6 TDs. He is on pace for a career high 1,400 yards and 12+ TDs. Even on games when he may not be particularly effective, he is drawing double teams from the defense and allowing things to open for the other Bucs WRs and TEs.

For us, the replacements surely haven't even come remotely close to replacing VJ. Meachem has been an ultimate disappointment so far and is looking like a waste of $26 million as is Royal. Even though we can't place all the blame on our WR corps, there has been times this season where even when Rivers gets time, he is not able to hit the WRs; either because they don't get open, or because they drop the ball when they have walk in TDs or because they are too fast and Rivers simply does not have the ability to hit WRs that fast in stride.

With VJ, Rivers had someone who was big and fast so Rivers was able to just throw it up for VJ and let him make the catch and then let VJ use his speed to make plays with his feet and pickup yardage.

However, this is really early. Meachem and Royal may blossom once they get more time here (although it does not look it) and may even do better than VJ.

If we had resigned VJ, it would likely mean that we don't sign Meachem and Royal as well as Jared Gaither. In that case we probably could have drafted a LT and draft a pass rusher in another round or we would have had to sign a cheaper LT or trade for one.

So do you think the Chargers made the right decision in letting VJ go?
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:21 PM
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In hindsight i think we should have signed VJ earlier before he heldout. Even though i know he had the DUI issue i think it was worth the gamble. Although we may have signed him and he may have been caught again. It's one of those "if's" with different variables.

However during the last off season i believe it was the right decision to not sign VJ. He cost's too much. He's very good but not worth the money. He did go missing in our games. Meachem and Royal have been missing as well. They might improve on the backend of the season though.

I do not believe Rivers problems are from not having VJ, it could be a little to do with Meachem and Royal. Rivers was bad last season with VJ. He was extremely good 2 seasons ago without VJ for half the season.

In conclusion. It was the right decision during the off season, although i think we should've signed him a few years ago for less(if it was possible).
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With the data the team had to go on at the time, yes they made the right decision.

The risk wasn't worth the reward.
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VJ is no longer with the team. He chose to leave. We can all play what ifs, but it isn't going to solve anything. He's gone. And we've moved on. if only he would've canned his agents, it would have been something different. Sorry Vincent Jackson.
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I know this week having to play the Bucs, this has been a question that has been tossed around a lot but lets have an actual thread and poll to vote on.

We have been talking a bout this for 3 years running... so...
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So lets get the facts straight. Vincent Jackson was drafted by us in 06, was developed into a pro bowl star WR here in San Diego and is now a top 5 WR in the NFL.

He is a good player but he takes plays off, has spuratic performances among other issues.
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He had his run ins with the law but had seemingly fixed all those issues after the 09 season and there was the infamous contract dispute between AJ and VJ during the '10 season which led to VJ missing many games.

The run ins with the law were horrible... the year he held out he was facing a league suspension... giving a player facing a league suspension a contract extension is a horrible precedent to set. As far as seems to be fixed... He said that the first time he got a DUI and got a 2nd... and when he didn't have a license he was pulled over on his way to a playoff game. This isn't just a matter of "seemed to have fixed" Jackson off field was a VERY high risk player to dump big money into.
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Then we franchise tagged him after that season and he went on to have yet another 1,000 yard season yet the Chargers chose not to resign him following the '11 season. He was asking for MEGA money in $55 million contract but the Chargers felt like going in a different direction.

Buccaneers paid to much IMO. We had to many holes to fill to put all that money in the VJ basket. We needed to fill holes preferably with players that weren't off field gambles. Letting him go was the right decision IMO. Jackson isn't going to have a great year when Rivers can't connect with anyone or when the OL is forcing Rivers to run after making a single read.
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Many pundits thought that he was only good because of a pro bowl QB Phillip Rivers and playing in Norv Turner's offense. However, he has proved them all wrong. Through 8 games this season he has 710 yards and 6 TDs. He is on pace for a career high 1,400 yards and 12+ TDs. Even on games when he may not be particularly effective, he is drawing double teams from the defense and allowing things to open for the other Bucs WRs and TEs.

1 TD vs giants, 1 vs Redskins, 2 vs Chiefs 1 vvs Saints, and 1 vs Raiders... a lot of those aren't exactly difficult tems to score on.
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For us, the replacements surely haven't even come remotely close to replacing VJ. Meachem has been an ultimate disappointment so far and is looking like a waste of $26 million as is Royal. Even though we can't place all the blame on our WR corps, there has been times this season where even when Rivers gets time, he is not able to hit the WRs; either because they don't get open, or because they drop the ball when they have walk in TDs or because they are too fast and Rivers simply does not have the ability to hit WRs that fast in stride.

Agreed here... the problem wasn't letting Jackson go when we needed to resign Gaither, Hardwick and others while at the same filling holes at WR (lower depth chat spots) SS, among other positions. The issues wasn't letting Jackson go, it is we didn't find the right guys to replace him. Meachem hasn't panned out so far, Royal isn't what we hoped for... Gaither has been on and off the field.
Obviously, Jackson isn’t making as much as all the replacements I mentioned combined... and either the pro or anti side can look at the contracts and find a way to make it look good or bad.
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With VJ, Rivers had someone who was big and fast so Rivers was able to just throw it up for VJ and let him make the catch and then let VJ use his speed to make plays with his feet and pickup yardage.

Jackson did take plays off and had some quite costly mistakes on field as well...
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However, this is really early. Meachem and Royal may blossom once they get more time here (although it does not look it) and may even do better than VJ.

Rivers has been off... as has the OL... but agreed... these guys haven't been what we hoped. Two biggest disappointments off the season not named Phillip Rivers so far.
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If we had resigned VJ, it would likely mean that we don't sign Meachem and Royal as well as Jared Gaither. In that case we probably could have drafted a LT and draft a pass rusher in another round or we would have had to sign a cheaper LT or trade for one.

LT's don't come cheap or easy... and don't get traded often. Rookie's take time to develop and we aren't a team with the luxury of a few years anymore. We weren't going to be able to get a LT ready to protect the blindside of Rivers outside of Gaither.
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So do you think the Chargers made the right decision in letting VJ go?

Letting Jackson go was necessary... but the replacements have failed us. The issue was the latter not the former. Granted… both of us are using the hindsight argument.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:13 PM
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AJ messed this one up the year he held VJ and marcus mcneil to the AJ special standard.

for every good thing aj does he does at least one wrong thing
too bad for us again
You mean the standard every GM in the league holds the players to when they own RFA leverage?
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the data the team had at the time was VJ was the teams number one reciever and the WR that rivers threw to the most going back to when they were non starters here.
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Personally I think Vincent brown and Floyd are just as good.
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Should have never let our Front Office relationship with VJ spiral into a battle of witts.
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