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Old 11-16-2012, 07:16 AM
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What do you guys think about Drafting Tajh Boyd or EJ Manuel to develop?
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Or how about Mike Glennon out of North Carolina St?
3rd round or later I'd be fine with taking a developmental QB. Manuel and Glennon are possible targets, however I think Boyd is going in the first round if he chooses to come out. He's been really impressive this season. Heck, Manuel might land in the first just due to the massive need for good QB's. Ryan Nassib is another one to watch out of Syracuse.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:11 AM
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Much has gone wrong for the Kansas City Chiefs this season. Things could get more complicated after the worst season in recent memory for the franchise.

Things are so bad for the Chiefs, even the lone benefit of having a disastrous season may not automatically play in the Chiefs’ favor. It looks like 2013 is going to be a bad draft year to need a quarterback.

Kansas City is 1-8 and is currently on pace to get the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. Despite their awful record, the Chiefs do have talent throughout their lineup. Their most glaring hole is at quarterback. Matt Cassel has lost his starting job and Brady Quinn appears to be a stop-gap answer. Ricky Stanzi, a fifth-round pick in 2011 doesn’t appear to be the answer, either. The Chiefs need a quarterback, but they may be a year too late.

The 2012 quarterback draft class may go down as one of the great all-time quarterback draft classes. Five rookies from that draft class are starting and Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III, the first two picks from the draft, appear to be transcendent talents.

What about the 2013 class? Scouts Inc. college scout Steve Muench calls the upcoming quarterback class “terrible.” West Virginia’s Geno Smith, USC’s Matt Barkley and North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon may currently be the only quarterbacks worthy of a first-round pick, but none of those players appear to be sure things. And if they go in the top three overall picks, they might be massively over-drafted.

In fact, Muench thinks Barkley’s draft stock is ”free-falling” and Muench believes Glennon will have work to do between now and late April to secure a spot in the first round. ESPN draft experts Todd McShay and Mel Kiper have both often said this fall that this quarterback class lacks certainty. Much like the 1984 and 2000 quarterback classes that immediately followed terrific quarterback classes, the 2013 class appears to lack the tremendous talent level of the quarterback class of 2012.

“The Chiefs need a quarterback, so they have to look hard there,” Muench said this week. “But it would have been nicer if they were in this position last year. It would have been a lot nicer. ... There’s no Lucks here.”

Are the Chiefs, who definitely appear headed for a top-three pick, out of luck in the 2013 draft?

Not necessarily, but it appears there aren’t any clear-cut easy connections for Kansas City at any spot. There appears to be better value at the top of the draft at other positions. (Remember, this is always subject to change, especially during the time of the NFL combine in late February.)

Muench said the top five current players on Scouts Inc.’s list include Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei, Georgia outside linebacker Jarvis Jones, Notre Dame inside linebacker Manti Te’o, Alabama guard Chance Warmack and Texas A&M defensive end Damontre Moore.

None of those positions are major need areas for the Chiefs; certainly not in the same scope as quarterback. Would the Chiefs really take a guard at No. 1? I Don’t think so, either.

Still, Muench thinks, as of right now, Lotulelei and Jones will be worth the No. 1 pick and the Chiefs should consider taking either players if they get the No. 1 pick. He thinks both players will be superstars and both will be instant impact players.

The issue is neither player is a great fit for the Chiefs. Lotulelei may be the better fit for the Chiefs because of his value. Muench thinks he’d be a terrific defensive end in a 3-4 scheme. Kansas City, which has drafted three defensive linemen in the top 11 of the draft since 2008, could put Lotulelei at an end position to pair with 2012 first-round pick Dontari Poe at nose tackle.

“That could work,” Muench said.

Jones (who Muench describes as an “absolute terror”) is a dynamic 3-5 pass-rushing outside linebacker, but the Chiefs are stacked there with Tamba Hali and Justin Houston.

Muench does think if the Chiefs end up with the top pick, they should seriously consider taking Smith over Lotulelei and Jones. Yes, the two defensive stars appear to be more of sure things, but the quarterback factor is huge. Quarterbacks have more value and they often get drafted higher than players at other positions because of their chances of becoming stars.

Muench thinks Smith is a middle-of-the-first-round talent. Yet, he does think he can become a franchise player.

“He is not near Luck or Griffin,” Muench said of Smith. “But I do like him and he can hit big. He needs to get better under pressure, but he is excellent in the pocket and he has a lot of skills. I think he will be taken very highly because of the position and the potential, and I think the Chiefs very much should consider him if they get the No.1 pick. There is no sure thing, but he could hit big. What if he becomes a star and the Chiefs don’t take him? They’d still have a hole at the most important position on the field and they would blow a chance at a star. That’s hard to recover from.”

Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. doesn’t think the Chiefs’ dilemma is big at all. He doesn’t care about the risk or the chance to get a better overall player elsewhere. Here are his thoughts on the subject: “It has to be a quarterback for Kansas City.”

It may be a year late, but the Chiefs’ draft thoughts may have to start at quarterback, regardless if it’s not a golden year at the position.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:58 AM
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Yeah it really isn't a good year. But we've seen Ryan Tannehill (8th), Brandon Weeden (22nd), Jake Locker (8th), Christian Ponder (12th), Blaine Gabbert (10th), Cam Newton (1st), Mark Sanchez (3rd), and Tim Tebow (25th) go in the first round in recent seasons.

Every single one of those players fit into at least one, if not more, of these categories: Inexperienced, terrible last season in college, no familiarity with pro style offense, immature, poor QB skills (mechanics, footwork, progressions), and/or really freaking old.

Personally, I love it. As teams desperate for QB's draft them too high, better non-QB prospects fall to the rest of the league. This is one strong reason why a new regime will likely do their best to fix things around Rivers before they look to replace him.

This year, we can expect that Kansas City, Arizona, Jacksonville, New York (J), Buffalo, and Philadelphia will all be looking at QB's in the first round to one degree or another. That's 5-6 teams who, even if they end up picking ahead of us, should push a good prospects down the board.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:03 AM
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Yeah it really isn't a good year. But we've seen Ryan Tannehill (8th), Brandon Weeden (22nd), Jake Locker (8th), Christian Ponder (12th), Blaine Gabbert (10th), Cam Newton (1st), Mark Sanchez (3rd), and Tim Tebow (25th) go in the first round in recent seasons.

Every single one of those players fit into at least one, if not more, of these categories: Inexperienced, terrible last season in college, no familiarity with pro style offense, immature, poor QB skills (mechanics, footwork, progressions), and/or really freaking old.

Personally, I love it. As teams desperate for QB's draft them too high, better non-QB prospects fall to the rest of the league. This is one strong reason why a new regime will likely do their best to fix things around Rivers before they look to replace him.

This year, we can expect that Kansas City, Arizona, Jacksonville, New York (J), Buffalo, and Philadelphia will all be looking at QB's in the first round to one degree or another. That's 5-6 teams who, even if they end up picking ahead of us, should push a good prospects down the board.
Agreed on all accounts.

Hope a top tier CB, OT, or OLB/DE drops to us. I'd be pretty disappointed if we end up with a second tier talent again (Cason, Buster, English <--hindsight)

I'm pretty much at the point where I want us to lose out (other than the Raider game) to get the best pick possible and to force a house cleaning. Never though that before even in the lean years with Leaf etc.
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It's a bad year to be looking at Qbs. If I were those teams I'd suck it up go with another position and look for a Qb one or two years down the line. But someone is going to bite.
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It's a bad year to be looking at Qbs. If I were those teams I'd suck it up go with another position and look for a Qb one or two years down the line. But someone is going to bite.
And if we're lucky, they all will. I would trip out if Smith, Barkley, Bray, Wilson, Glennon, and Manuel all went before our pick. It would be like Christmas.
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And if we're lucky, they all will. I would trip out if Smith, Barkley, Bray, Wilson, Glennon, and Manuel all went before our pick. It would be like Christmas.
Lordy, even with our propensity to "suck, but not suck nearly enough to get a high draft pick", I can't even imagine a scenario where half those guys are off the board before we pick. That wouldn't be like Christmas, that would be like waking up discovering you developed super powers and won the lottery on the same morning.
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Lordy, even with our propensity to "suck, but not suck nearly enough to get a high draft pick", I can't even imagine a scenario where half those guys are off the board before we pick. That wouldn't be like Christmas, that would be like waking up discovering you developed super powers and won the lottery on the same morning.
They won't all go ahead of us. I know that's too good to happen. But if Gabbert, Ponder, and Locker can all go in the top 12, then a good number of those guys can too.
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3rd round or later I'd be fine with taking a developmental QB. Manuel and Glennon are possible targets, however I think Boyd is going in the first round if he chooses to come out. He's been really impressive this season. Heck, Manuel might land in the first just due to the massive need for good QB's. Ryan Nassib is another one to watch out of Syracuse.
Thought you, or anyone else interested might enjoy reading this article on Glennon. Here's the link...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...b-draft-boards
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Thought you, or anyone else interested might enjoy reading this article on Glennon. Here's the link...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...b-draft-boards
Bucky Brooks echoes my exact sentiments. I think there is a good chance Glennon goes in the first - at least he should considering what the class looks like this year. I like him more than Barkley.
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