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Old 11-23-2012, 10:50 AM
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Money and draft picks fade when you are playing for the biggest stakes there is - survival !

The number of people living in NOLA and in SELA was way down during those first post-katrina years and there were very real discussions on whether the area could even support an NFL team. Bottom line - they needed to sell tickets

If the signing of Brees had been a bust of the same proportion as the Phins signing of Culpepper, those fears could very well have been realized and the city would have lost its team.

When Brees were signed, the way he approached the city and went to work - both as the QB and leader of the team and even more importantly as a leader in the community, won over everyone. The Saints sold out every season ticket before the season even began and have had a +40000 waiting list since then.

So yes - Saints took an incredible gamble
I was shocked when the Fins sicked Culpepper. My 9 year old nephew knew he wouldnt do well.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:07 AM
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Its not ridiculous at all.
I was comparing one type of risk vs another.

One you risk losing gobs of money.
The other you risk losing gobs of money and a good first round draft pick.

Winners take risks that work out.
Winners see things in some players that most others dont.

I know its not on anywhere near the level but I have been involved in Baseball for decades now. One of the biggest mistakes I have seen as a player manager is people in the wrong posistions. They play where they want to, or think they are good. But often I have moved some around and it worked out wayyyyyyyyy better.

Good Gm's, coaches and managers in baseball see these things and thats why they win, bottom line. I personally took quite a few perennial losing teams in various leagues to championships.
The first league I played in as an adult, our team won one game. The offseason, so to speak, we got switched manager/coach, he made 3 key moves and we made the playoffs with the same players the following season.

Its what they do. Proof is in the puddding, we have been struggling in the weakest division in football, imagine our record had we been playing two games a year against Balt and Pitts.
Of our 4 wins, 2 against the Chiefs, maybe the worst team in the NFL, and the waiders,,,,

we could easily be 1-9. I mean seriously, take out those two chiefs games, what is our record ? 2-6.
Take away all of our wins and add losses and were 0-10.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:17 AM
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Take away all of our wins and add losses and were 0-10.
Take away our losses, and add wins, and we're 10-0!
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I beleive the recent 4/5 post are about being outraged w/ Norv,and rightfully so.
Facts are that Brees's injury happened on Marty's watch much like PR's recent need to throw to the other team is on Norv's watch.
My comment was in line w/ the rest of the rediculousness you see on this board.
Marty was playing to win the game. There was nothing wrong with the decision to play Brees. In fact Brees didn't have a contract going foward and PR did.

Had he played PR and had he gotten injured the situation would have been far worse. Brees would have gotten whatever he wanted in a long term contract and PR's career and our money invested in him would have been flushed down the tubes.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:27 PM
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Its not ridiculous at all.
I was comparing one type of risk vs another.

One you risk losing gobs of money.
The other you risk losing gobs of money and a good first round draft pick.

Winners take risks that work out.
Winners see things in some players that most others dont.

I know its not on anywhere near the level but I have been involved in Baseball for decades now. One of the biggest mistakes I have seen as a player manager is people in the wrong posistions. They play where they want to, or think they are good. But often I have moved some around and it worked out wayyyyyyyyy better.

Good Gm's, coaches and managers in baseball see these things and thats why they win, bottom line. I personally took quite a few perennial losing teams in various leagues to championships.
The first league I played in as an adult, our team won one game. The offseason, so to speak, we got switched manager/coach, he made 3 key moves and we made the playoffs with the same players the following season.

Its what they do. Proof is in the puddding, we have been struggling in the weakest division in football, imagine our record had we been playing two games a year against Balt and Pitts.
Of our 4 wins, 2 against the Chiefs, maybe the worst team in the NFL, and the waiders,,,,

we could easily be 1-9. I mean seriously, take out those two chiefs games, what is our record ? 2-6.
We're talking about the Qb here not baseball. Beside the huge investment money wise, had Brees not been able to throw the ball at the NFL level the Saints would have gone through the season without a starting Qb. That would have meant a losing season but more importantly no hope.
They would have had to draft a Qb in the first round the next year.
Huge massive risk.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:51 PM
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Im still not understanding what the risk was? What did they have to lose? What did the Chargers have to lose, other than money? Were either giving up draft picks for him?
A whole lot. The city was devastated by Katrina. The team was one of the worst in the NFL. They were going to leave the city. If Brees didn't recover, I don't see the Saints being around in the same city.
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:59 PM
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we never should have ever gotten rid of any Charger that eventually won a Super Bowl with another team. because y'know....they WON A SUPER BOWL!!!! eventually.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:07 PM
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Take away all of our wins and add losses and were 0-10.
Youir statement is ridiculous.
Mine is not. When the only team you can beat is a last place team in the worst division in the NFL, thats pretty bad.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:12 PM
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Its not ridiculous at all.
I was comparing one type of risk vs another.

One you risk losing gobs of money.
The other you risk losing gobs of money and a good first round draft pick.

Winners take risks that work out.
Winners see things in some players that most others dont.

I know its not on anywhere near the level but I have been involved in Baseball for decades now. One of the biggest mistakes I have seen as a player manager is people in the wrong posistions. They play where they want to, or think they are good. But often I have moved some around and it worked out wayyyyyyyyy better.

Good Gm's, coaches and managers in baseball see these things and thats why they win, bottom line. I personally took quite a few perennial losing teams in various leagues to championships.
The first league I played in as an adult, our team won one game. The offseason, so to speak, we got switched manager/coach, he made 3 key moves and we made the playoffs with the same players the following season.

Its what they do. Proof is in the puddding, we have been struggling in the weakest division in football, imagine our record had we been playing two games a year against Balt and Pitts.
Of our 4 wins, 2 against the Chiefs, maybe the worst team in the NFL, and the waiders,,,,

we could easily be 1-9. I mean seriously, take out those two chiefs games, what is our record ? 2-6.
I love winning man...it's like, so much better than losing.

Can you call Deano and give him some pointers?
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We're talking about the Qb here not baseball. Beside the huge investment money wise, had Brees not been able to throw the ball at the NFL level the Saints would have gone through the season without a starting Qb. That would have meant a losing season but more importantly no hope.
They would have had to draft a Qb in the first round the next year.
Huge massive risk.
What were their other options? Seems to me like they had to take a risk no matter what.
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