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Old 11-14-2012, 12:49 PM
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i dont understand what you mean by his sacks have decreased. Looks like his sacks were at an all time low in 2008, stayed that way in 2009 jumped up in 2010, dropped some in 2011 but still higher than 2008 and hes on pace to be sacked a career high 39 times this year.

I was mostly the last three years. Though you are right we are at 22 after 9 games, so it will probably get higher. Plus you would of expected a larger drop off in 2010 with 38. Maybe all those sacks, scared him into playing the way he is now.

2008 = 25
2009 = 25
2010 = 38
2011 = 30
20112 = 22
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:57 PM
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On the clock.

4th qtr starting down 8.

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Old 11-18-2012, 05:30 PM
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Rivers updated 4th quarter stats in a tie game or down by 8 points or less (1 score). Since 2010

Comp-92
Att -162
Yards -943
TD- 3
INT- 11
Sacks - 12
Fumbles - 6
Fumbles lost - 4


Since his last 4th quarter comeback (2011 opener against minnesota) he is
48-91 429 yards 0 TD 8 INTs 8 sacks 4 fumbles 3 lost and a 29.05 passer rating.

in the last 2+ years we have had 37 drives where we had a chance to tie or take the lead in a game in the 4th quarter. we have taken the lead 2 times (minnesota 2011, houston 2010) and tied the game 3 times (seattle 2010, KC 2011 halloween game, minnesota 2011.) we have scored a grand total of 34 points on those 37 drives and have won 2 games while losing 14.

we have committed 16 turnovers (Rivers 11 ints, 4 fumbles, tolbert 1 fumble) and have missed 3 field goals by 3 different kickers (49 yarder blocked-kaeding, 50 yarder-Brown and 53 yarder-Novak).

Conclusion: the chargers cannot win in the clutch (if there is such a thing).
You make a point, but you're not telling the whole story. Cause and effect. When Rivers had a better squad, he did better. I personally believe that the lousy OL we have now, and had last year as well has taken a toll on him. The announcers said it today....the OL has been in decline for a few years with no help and Rivers just doesn't trust that he's going to get enough time to throw. The number of times he has a pocket to pass in is incredibly few. If it's not Clary on one side, it's the left side.

Fix the OL, change HC and GM and see how Rivers rebounds.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:31 AM
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Updated stats through Baltimore Raven game

Rivers updated 4th quarter stats in a tie game or down by 8 points or less (1 score). Since 2010

Comp-98
Att -171
Yards -975
TD- 3
INT- 11
Sacks - 13
Fumbles - 7
Fumbles lost - 4


Since his last 4th quarter comeback (2011 opener against minnesota) he is
54-100 461 yards 0 TD 8 INTs 9 sacks 5 fumbles 3 lost and a 32.96 passer rating.

in the last 2+ years we have had 40 drives where we had a chance to tie or take the lead in a game in the 4th quarter or OT. we have taken the lead 2 times (minnesota 2011, houston 2010) and tied the game 3 times (seattle 2010, KC 2011 halloween game, minnesota 2011.) we have scored a grand total of 34 points on those 40 drives and have won 2 games while losing 16.

we have committed 16 turnovers (Rivers 11 ints, 4 fumbles, tolbert 1 fumble) and have missed 3 field goals by 3 different kickers (49 yarder blocked-kaeding, 50 yarder-Brown and 53 yarder-Novak).

Conclusion: the chargers cannot win in the clutch (if there is such a thing).
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:46 AM
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Possibly going to get a ton of hate, but whatever.

Again, compared to Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Kurt Warner, Big Ben, and Brees, Rivers is the only QB who has more INT's than TD's during the play-offs.

McNabb had worse WR's and weapons than Rivers the mass majority of his career, and still put up 24 TD's 17 INT's. The guy made it to the Super Bowl and three Championship games throwing to Todd Pinkston and Freddie Mitchell. Even Michael Vick has more TD's than INT's during the postseason. Same goes for the "gun slinger" INT machine Brett Favre during the 2000's when he was at his worst, still managed to throw more TD's than INT's during the postseason.

Rivers with VJ, Gates, LT, Sproles, Floyd, a still reliable Chris Chambers as targets, and a solid o-line still tossed more INT's than scores when it mattered. Now he's supposed to lead this team to a SB ring with worse weapons just because he may have a decent o-line (again)?

Honestly, it just seems like he folds at critical moments and that's not going to win anything. I can't imagine Rivers winning one of those games the NYG had against the 49ers last season during the NFCCG.

If you want to go even further, Rivers still has yet to beat a Tom Brady-Belichick Pats team, a Rex Ryan-coached NYJ team, nor a Big Ben Steelers team coached by Mike Tomlin, during the regular season or the play-offs. Elite QB's eventually overcome their rivals, even if it's just the regular season at least they've proven they can beat them. Rivers has still yet to do so.

Peyton Manning eventually beat the Pats and Steelers, during both the regular and postseason (at least NE). Brady has beaten Eli twice during the regular season, Eli eventually beat McNabb's Eagles. Even if they lose, it's still a close game. But man, when Rivers goes against any of his rivals, the Chargers get blown out.

It's just time to move on.

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Old 11-26-2012, 11:56 AM
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Possibly going to get a ton of hate, but whatever.

Again, compared to Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Kurt Warner, Big Ben, and Brees, Rivers is the only QB who has more INT's than TD's during the play-offs.

McNabb had worse WR's and weapons than Rivers the mass majority of his career, and still put up 24 TD's 17 INT's. The guy made it to the Super Bowl and three Championship games throwing to Todd Pinkston and Freddie Mitchell. Even Michael Vick has more TD's than INT's during the postseason. Same goes for the "gun slinger" INT machine Brett Favre during the 2000's when he was at his worst, still managed to throw more TD's than INT's during the postseason.

Rivers with VJ, Gates, LT, Sproles, Floyd, a still reliable Chris Chambers as targets, and a solid o-line still tossed more INT's than scores when it mattered. Now he's supposed to lead this team to a SB ring with worse weapons just because he may have a decent o-line (again)?

Honestly, it just seems like he folds at critical moments and that's not going to win anything. I can't imagine Rivers winning one of those games the NYG had against the 49ers last season during the NFCCG.

If you want to go even further, Rivers still has yet to beat a Tom Brady-Belichick Pats team, a Rex Ryan-coached NYJ team, nor a Big Ben Steelers team coached by Mike Tomlin, during the regular season or the play-offs. Elite QB's eventually overcome their rivals, even if it's just the regular season at least they've proven they can beat them. Rivers has still yet to do so.

Peyton Manning eventually beat the Pats and Steelers, during both the regular and postseason (at least NE). Brady has beaten Eli twice during the regular season, Eli eventually beat McNabb's Eagles. Even if they lose, it's still a close game. But man, when Rivers goes against any of his rivals, the Chargers get blown out.

It's just time to move on.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:14 PM
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Updated stats through Baltimore Raven game

Rivers updated 4th quarter stats in a tie game or down by 8 points or less (1 score). Since 2010

Comp-98
Att -171
Yards -975
TD- 3
INT- 11
Sacks - 13
Fumbles - 7
Fumbles lost - 4


Since his last 4th quarter comeback (2011 opener against minnesota) he is
54-100 461 yards 0 TD 8 INTs 9 sacks 5 fumbles 3 lost and a 32.96 passer rating.

in the last 2+ years we have had 40 drives where we had a chance to tie or take the lead in a game in the 4th quarter or OT. we have taken the lead 2 times (minnesota 2011, houston 2010) and tied the game 3 times (seattle 2010, KC 2011 halloween game, minnesota 2011.) we have scored a grand total of 34 points on those 40 drives and have won 2 games while losing 16.

we have committed 16 turnovers (Rivers 11 ints, 4 fumbles, tolbert 1 fumble) and have missed 3 field goals by 3 different kickers (49 yarder blocked-kaeding, 50 yarder-Brown and 53 yarder-Novak).

Conclusion: the chargers cannot win in the clutch (if there is such a thing).
After Baltimore game, in 11 games, in the 4th Quarter overall Rivers has 3 TD's as opposed to 7 Ints and 3 fumbles.

Also for this year, in the 4th quarter within 7 points: 1 TD vs. 6 Ints. I can't determine how many of the fumbles lost were within 7.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:47 PM
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Updated stats through Cincy game

Rivers updated 4th quarter stats in a tie game or down by 8 points or less (1 score). Since 2010

Comp-102
Att -182
Yards -1023
TD- 3
INT- 12
Sacks - 14
Fumbles - 8
Fumbles lost - 5


Since his last 4th quarter comeback (2011 opener against minnesota) he is
58-111 509 yards 0 TD 9 INTs 10 sacks 6 fumbles 4 lost and a 30.95 passer rating.

in the last 2+ years we have had 42 drives where we had a chance to tie or take the lead in a game in the 4th quarter or OT. we have taken the lead 2 times (minnesota 2011, houston 2010) and tied the game 3 times (seattle 2010, KC 2011 halloween game, minnesota 2011.) we have scored a grand total of 34 points on those 42 drives and have won 2 games while losing 17.

we have committed 18 turnovers (Rivers 12 ints, 5 fumbles, tolbert 1 fumble) and have missed 3 field goals by 3 different kickers (49 yarder blocked-kaeding, 50 yarder-Brown and 53 yarder-Novak).

Conclusion: the chargers cannot win in the clutch (if there is such a thing).
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:09 PM
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Just looked at the stats from today's game.

The Bengals are in the middle of the pack in rushing defense - they're not the 1985 Bears. And yet the Chargers play distribution was 48 passes vs. 11 runs (and two of them were by Rivers!).

Just curious - how many think the problem is 100% Rivers, and how many think Norv Turner's offense doesn't work anymore?
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Just looked at the stats from today's game.

The Bengals are in the middle of the pack in rushing defense - they're not the 1985 Bears. And yet the Chargers play distribution was 48 passes vs. 11 runs (and two of them were by Rivers!).

Just curious - how many think the problem is 100% Rivers, and how many think Norv Turner's offense doesn't work anymore?
norv turners offense obviously isnt working out this year, but since hes been here weve had a top 5 offense. However, the last 3 years now our late/close game offense is bottom tier (i think it is 31st of 32 teams).

So overall, the offense has been great (just not this year). But 4th quarter close game offense, terrible.

Could be norv, he has the 2nd worst one score game record in NFL history behind vermeil. Could be Rivers, he seems out of sorts in these situations since the jets playoff game in 2009. Probably a combination of the 2 of them.
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