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View Poll Results: Is Mathews Over-rated?
Yes. He's a bust. 49 27.84%
No. He's about average. 68 38.64%
Maybe. He needs an injury free year. 41 23.30%
Less bacon, more milk. 18 10.23%
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:15 AM
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Because AP has had major fumbling issues his first few years as a pro. He fixed it and became a great running back. Ryan Mathews has all the talent and tools to be just as good.
One is a beast who fumbles and the other is Ryan Mathews. Fumbling is the only thing they have in common.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:31 AM
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Because AP has had major fumbling issues his first few years as a pro. He fixed it and became a great running back. Ryan Mathews has all the talent and tools to be just as good.
I think Mathews is good, but he's nowhere near the physical specimen AP is. AP is a great RB, Mathews is good but I think his ceiling is significantly lower.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:32 AM
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I think Mathews is good, but he's nowhere near the physical specimen AP is. AP is a great RB, Mathews is good but I think his ceiling is significantly lower.
We will never know with Norv in charge and AJ throwing him under the bus. I am sure if he went to another team he will become great. It seems the Chargers way to get rid of our Star Players. As far as AJ is concerned our players can go be someone else's stars!
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:35 AM
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Lmao, you make it sound as if LT played 30 years ago. LT was the best player in the NFL just five years ago, the game hasn't changed that much in 5-6 years.
Who is this LT guy you speak of? Lawrence Taylor? He played in the 80's I believe, around the time of Babe Ruth.

But in all honesty, LT was an all-time great. Had he been born 10 years later, if there was significant improvements in training and preparation then he would have benefited from them too.

It's not a slight on RM to say he's no LT.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:36 AM
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We will never know with Norv in charge and AJ throwing him under the bus. I am sure if he went to another team he will become great. It seems the Chargers way to get rid of our Star Players. As far as AJ is concerned our players can go be someone else's stars!
I will give you that- we haven't really been able to find out. Hopefully that changes next year.

I do like RM and really want to see him get more work.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:40 AM
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^^^agreed. Nobody could run well behind that abomination of an oline
I tend to agree but don't think the OL talent level is as bad as the coaching. Nobody's that bad.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:52 AM
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Mathews is going to be a beast! He just needs the support of our management. If he fumbles give him the ball again, let him become the back we need him to be. I believe he will fix his fumbling issues, but needs the ball and time to do that.
Mathews is 25 now and will turn 26 next season. Since he hasn't even had a marginal season yet, when do you expect him to break out?
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:33 PM
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Mathews is more than likely not really close to AP's level. Few RBs in the league are. I still think AP is the best in the league, and the best since LT easily. You can tell that AP is a special talent because of how fast, elusive, and strong he is with exceptional vision. RM is good but he doesn't have the same elusiveness, speed, strength, or vision as AP. That's not so much of a slight on RM as it is a compliment to AP. Coaching and an o-line isn't likely going to turn RM into someone with the unique skillset that AP has. I think RM might be more in the tier of how Reggie Bush is now.
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Yes, I really do see a difference, probably a result of training, work in the weight-room, emphasis on the draft combine workout .... I can't quantify it though. It's a passing centric league and RB's now take a lot of punishment (bigger, stronger, quicker defensive guys) so I think that the need or advisability in drafting an 'elite' RB with a high pick is very questionable. Basically, I think the optimum is 2 good sized guys who can block, who run by committee, and a good passing game/schemes, with a decent oline.

Nonetheless - Mathews can fit in very well (assuming health and no fumbleitis) with any decent offense.
I agree that a committee of RBs would probably work well, although I definitely disagree that they played in two eras that are nearly as drastically different as you portray them to be. There really isn't that big of a difference, especially since their careers overlapped for multiple years even. Many of the players LT played against during his prime are probably still playing now, and to say that just because there's been an influx of freakish athletes lately that their eras are really different is a bit unwarranted and exaggerated in my opinion.

And by the way you can say that the way the league is passing nowadays would lead to less punishment on the RBs, not more. Yes they pass block, but that's not the same as 11 players trying to knock you out every play. More teams use multiple running backs because they're not as necessary anymore in this passing league, not necessarily because they get hurt more (from arguably running less)
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Mathews worked extremely hard last offseason. Unfortunately, his offensive line is horrible. I can't blame him for his effort. (I had a brand new 1999 Mustang and it was great. Eventually I had to get a new car. Mathews is running behind a lot of the same line LT ran behind.) The line has lots of wear and tear. Career backups were backups because they couldn't beat out the starter. AJ was trying to find diamonds in the rough rather than players that would try to beat out the player in front of him. We have a coaching staff that is far to loyal based on someones HISTORY, and not their current play.

Everyone knows the offensive line is horrible and that Norv has tendencies that every opposing team can see. The problem is that uppermanagement has been has overdosed on too many CHILL PILLS, and thinks somehow some way it will get better.
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