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Old 12-26-2012, 09:51 PM
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It wasn't until I recently watched more of Fisher that I realized I had overestimated Lewan's edge in terms of functional strength.
Yup, Fisher's strength is nothing to sneeze at.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:52 PM
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Still like Lewan more. He's got a Dielman like mean streak, he's strong and a very good athlete if you ask me. He'd be 9ish on my big board, Fisher probably a few spots behind.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:10 PM
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Still like Lewan more. He's got a Dielman like mean streak, he's strong and a very good athlete if you ask me. He'd be 9ish on my big board, Fisher probably a few spots behind.
I hear this phrase a lot - mean streak.

How does it get applied to an O lineman?

Can a defensive player have it? I never hear someone say Suh has a mean streak.

I think it's one of hose phrases overused.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:23 PM
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I hear this phrase a lot - mean streak.

How does it get applied to an O lineman?

Can a defensive player have it? I never hear someone say Suh has a mean streak.

I think it's one of hose phrases overused.
Suh is just crazy.

Lewan is going to battle to the whistle and after it for a little just like Dielman did.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:24 PM
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It isn't really a debate.

You can find serviceable RT's in free agency, you can't with LT's.
Agreed. Everything that Acee has written suggests that Gaither would have to show a lot to be invited back next season. He's clearly angered teammates here. He confused coaches and teammates in Baltimore as well.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/201...-new-contract/
La Canfora explained Gaither and the Ravens were “at odds on occasion” regarding the extent of his injury, but his sources say Gaither is now healthy.

If a franchise LT is available at our pick in the 1st round, we'll draft him...unless we get a trade offer that the new GM can't refuse.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:31 PM
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Agreed. Everything that Acee has written suggests that Gaither would have to show a lot to be invited back next season. He's clearly angered teammates here. He confused coaches and teammates in Baltimore as well.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/201...-new-contract/
La Canfora explained Gaither and the Ravens were “at odds on occasion” regarding the extent of his injury, but his sources say Gaither is now healthy.

If a franchise LT is available at our pick in the 1st round, we'll draft him...unless we get a trade offer that the new GM can't refuse.
This is what ultimately made me like Fisher more than Lewan. One could argue that if Lewan manages to fix his technique he'll become the better player, but as far as who would fare better at LT as a rookie, Fisher has the edge in my book. I also think he'd more than hold up on the right side if Gaither stays- something I hope isn't the case.
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You're describing an OG who would gas out after one series

I hope not our new LT!
Haha my first thought was toni fonoti.

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Haha my first thought was toni fonoti.

Ahhhhh, the good old days
I had some serious hopes the Fonoti would pan out. the dude mauled in the run game, but damn was he lazy.
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Still like Lewan more. He's got a Dielman like mean streak, he's strong and a very good athlete if you ask me. He'd be 9ish on my big board, Fisher probably a few spots behind.
As I kind of break out the various facets of OL play that can be assessed (e.g. technique, strength, hand use, agility, etc.) there are areas where I would rate Lewan a little higher. For example, I do think that Lewan's stronger at the point of attack whereas Fisher's technique is cleaner. So it's not as though I think Fisher is better in every way. But what I started to realize after watching a lot more of Fisher is that the margins where he is inferior are smaller than the margins where he is superior. By that I mean that where Lewan is better, Fisher tends to also be good- just not quite as good (ex. run blocking). However where Fisher is better, the gap between he and Lewan seems to be more significant (ex. waist vs knee bending).

Anyhow, that's just my impression after seeing a lot more Fisher. No way to really substantiate it. I like them both in any case.
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I hear this phrase a lot - mean streak.

How does it get applied to an O lineman?

Can a defensive player have it? I never hear someone say Suh has a mean streak.

I think it's one of hose phrases overused.
It may be overused, but it's definitely a real criteria for scouts. And my understanding is that it gets applied to linemen who block "to the echo of the whistle" and play a little dirty. That was how Dielman earned the moniker. For example, many linemen will let up on their man after a successful block if the play is moving away. But a lineman may earn the "mean streak" label if he refuses to let until the play is over, regardless of how far away the action has moved.
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