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Old 06-01-2016, 03:32 PM
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Owner Fowler referred to his players as "miserable failures", and specifically made reference to the Ray Kroc incident of the early 70's where Kroc seized the public address microphone and apologized for such stupid ball playing. I recall sending an editorial letter to the San Diego Evening Tribune in support of Kroc, which they printed.

With about 45 years to think about it, while I retract nothing in my support of Kroc (who, with his wife, single-handedly saved professional baseball for San Diego, as opposed to the Padres becoming the replacement franchise for the Washington Senators), I have to think that this current round of criticism, while crowd-pleasing for the fans, is really quite unnecessary. Everybody knows there's a bad product out on the field. There is no need to emphasize the obvious.

The Padres occupy a weird little niche in San Diego Sports history. Other than a World Series appearance against Detroit in 1984, and getting swept in the World Series by the Yankees circa 1998, the Padres have been the team that couldn't. Yet we love them none the less. As was said of the Brooklyn Dodgers, "They may be bums, but they're OUR bums!"

A combination of complacency, and the relaxed Summer beach atmosphere, leads fans to show up, place the big bucks for tickets, food, and souvenirs, and still leave semi-satisfied just for the sheer entertainment value of baseball.

As was said in a long-departed comic strip ("Pogo", I think), "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" The good-natured nature of the fans is not something I would attack; however, ownership needs a top-to-bottom shake-up of the front office; some Billy Bean-style statistical analysis may be in order. San Diego is a fairly significant place for science, given its size and location. Perhaps a committee of experts, hired as consultants (and preferably with some baseball knowledge) could undertake a "Manhattan Project" type analysis. After all, they started building the atomic bomb under the football stands at the University of Chicago; within a few years, scientists had a weapon, a weapon that ended the Pacific part of World War II. The Padres don't need to weaponize in terms of developing some "super weapon" to win games; but they need to develop a more disciplined approach to personnel selection, and overall economics. The Padres can never compete with New York or L.A. teams on an economic basis; they have to figure out how to out-smart the big franchises, just as the Oakland A's did, for a time.

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Old 06-01-2016, 03:55 PM
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Owner Fowler referred to his players as "miserable failures", and specifically made reference to the Ray Kroc incident of the early 70's where Kroc seized the public address microphone and apologized for such stupid ball playing. I recall sending an editorial letter to the San Diego Evening Tribune in support of Kroc, which they printed.

With about 45 years to think about it, while I retract nothing in my support of Kroc (who, with his wife, single-handedly saved professional baseball for San Diego, as opposed to the Padres becoming the replacement franchise for the Washington Senators), I have to think that this current round of criticism, while crowd-pleasing for the fans, is really quite unnecessary. Everybody knows there's a bad product out on the field. There is no need to emphasize the obvious.

The Padres occupy a weird little niche in San Diego Sports history. Other than a World Series appearance against Detroit in 1984, and getting swept in the World Series by the Yankees circa 1998, the Padres have been the team that couldn't. Yet we love them none the less. As was said of the Brooklyn Dodgers, "They may be bums, but they're OUR bums!"

A combination of complacency, and the relaxed Summer beach atmosphere, leads fans to show up, place the big bucks for tickets, food, and souvenirs, and still leave semi-satisfied just for the sheer entertainment value of baseball.

As was said in a long-departed comic strip ("Pogo", I think), "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" The good-natured nature of the fans is not something I would attack; however, ownership needs a top-to-bottom shake-up of the front office; some Billy Bean-style statistical analysis may be in order. San Diego is a fairly significant place for science, given its size and location. Perhaps a committee of experts, hired as consultants (and preferably with some baseball knowledge) could undertake a "Manhattan Project" type analysis. After all, they started building the atomic bomb under the football stands at the University of Chicago; within a few years, scientists had a weapon, a weapon that ended the Pacific part of World War II. The Padres don't need to weaponize in terms of developing some "super weapon" to win games; but they need to develop a more disciplined approach to personnel selection, and overall economics. The Padres can never compete with New York or L.A. teams on an economic basis; they have to figure out how to out-smart the big franchises, just as the Oakland A's did, for a time.
I didn't see the quote, but it does, as you say, sound unnecessary.

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I think his comments were more to do with losing 8 of the last 9 games. I think its getting more blown out than what his comments were really about.
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I think his comments were more to do with losing 8 of the last 9 games. I think its getting more blown out than what his comments were really about.
Yikes. I just listened to excerpts on 1090. Much rougher than I thought. Really brutal on Shields. I think he went too far.
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Pitcher James Shields...4 years $75 million. He deserves to get brutalized. He's pitching like he was gotten for the minimum MLB salary. This is the second year the Padres have poured a lot into contracts, only to have them all perform like bush leaguers.
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Pitcher James Shields...4 years $75 million. He deserves to get brutalized. He's pitching like he was gotten for the minimum MLB salary. This is the second year the Padres have poured a lot into contracts, only to have them all perform like bush leaguers.
Sounds like not just a player problem, but more importantly, a GM problem. Or maybe a Manager problem.

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Sounds like not just a player problem, but more importantly, a GM problem. Or maybe a Manager problem.

Bud Black, anyone?
Ya. The GM was left out of the scathing rant. Then again, who hired the GM?
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Everything that Fowler said is true.....but he went about conveying the message in the most inappropriate way...and can do no good for this team in future dealings with potential Free Agents. Nobody will want to come here to play for an owner that throws you under the bus to the media.
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Everything that Fowler said is true.....but he went about conveying the message in the most inappropriate way...and can do no good for this team in future dealings with potential Free Agents. Nobody will want to come here to play for an owner that throws you under the bus to the media.
Unfortunately, the truth is not always going to set you free. In terms of immediate player behavior, a puzzle: the team goes out and routs Seattle, 14-6, and the next night, is up 12-2, and proceeds to blow it, losing 16-13. Players don't play to lose, or do poorly. It's not in their economic interest to do that.

Statements like Fowler's are a way to tell the fans, "We share your frustrations," but it is ultimately a sign of indiscipline. We can't expect management to resign, or commit ritual suicide (as in Japan), but a bit of the stoic, "stiff upper lip" would not be out of place.
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Everything that Fowler said is true.....but he went about conveying the message in the most inappropriate way...and can do no good for this team in future dealings with potential Free Agents. Nobody will want to come here to play for an owner that throws you under the bus to the media.
Free agents? Are you kidding me? Free agents? It's an established fact that the Padres are the worst run organization in baseball. In fact, they're making a serious run at being the worst run organization in professional sports. They're an organizational disgrace and a baseball abomination of the highest order. I doubt potential free agents care what the owner of the Padres has to say considering the team he owns is a dumpster fire.
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