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Old 12-11-2016, 02:03 PM
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Not sure what was in his veins today.

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Old 12-11-2016, 04:56 PM
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Thread title changed due to reality.

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Old 12-11-2016, 06:06 PM
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Well they should have been grooming a good young QB to take over for Rivers. Now they are somewhat stuck. If TT was at the top of his game he would have done this. Hindsight maybe but that is why the good GMs make the big bucks.

IMO they should draft a QB in the next draft even using a 1st if warranted. Don't know how much you could get for Rivers in a trade but exploring that would be at the top of the list.
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Old 12-11-2016, 06:27 PM
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What's the succession plan ? (Rhetorical question)

If the question is, "Is this the right time to move on from Rivers" ? The answer is no. That ship already sailed. The right time, would have been in the '15 offseason, when there was a chance to pull off a trade for a draft pick that would have scored our QB of the future. Instead we extended the guy who was on the wrong side of 30, past his prime and never very mobile to begin with, all in exchange for a few more losing seasons. On top of it we give the guy a no trade clause along with his extension.

Why ? It was a business decision of course. Ownership figured they were gonna be in Carson this year, and wasn't gonna take the chance of trying to enter a new market with the possibility of the next Jamarcus Russell, Sam Bradford or Ryan Leaf at the helm. With Rivers at least they knew what they were gonna be trying to sell tickets with.

The same reason why McCoy is still here. Save the new coach for the new market. You think they don't know he's not their guy of the future ?

Things like this are a big reason why I am boycotting the NFL. Business decisions will always swing much more weight than whatever happens on the field. Fans watch football because they love the competitive sport, they don't give a damn about the business part of it, and more and more the NFL is showing that it is a business that just happens to be involved with competitive sports.

Anyway, back to the subject question...you have to move on from everyone eventually, but how you move on requires some type of strategy. What are the current options ?

Release him, take whatever cap hit and just draft whoever is available mid first round ?

Hope to land a replacement in Free agency ? (Good luck with that)

Look for a trade ? First and foremost, there is the no trade clause to dance around, so Rivers needs to be on board or it's not happening. The Titans trade was a rare opportunity, as most teams in that situation would prefer to draft the young QB. They just happened to be an aimless organization with no Ownership in place, and a HC at the time who had a history with Rivers. That situation is about as rare as they come. Will there be a team with a top 3 pick that is already set at QB this year, looking to trade down ? If they are indeed set at QB, than who/what do we trade away ? Is there even a prospect coming out that we would want to target ? (I have no idea).

The bottom line is whether it's now, or a few years from now, the transition probably isn't gonna be pretty. So if anyone out there is thinking we need to make a change now, for immediate impact, you're fooling yourself. Ultimately this discussion is all for naught anyway, because as stated above, a business decision from Ownership is what will determine when it's time to move on...
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What's the succession plan ? (Rhetorical question)

If the question is, "Is this the right time to move on from Rivers" ? The answer is no. That ship already sailed. The right time, would have been in the '15 offseason, when there was a chance to pull off a trade for a draft pick that would have scored our QB of the future. Instead we extended the guy who was on the wrong side of 30, past his prime and never very mobile to begin with, all in exchange for a few more losing seasons. On top of it we give the guy a no trade clause along with his extension.

Why ? It was a business decision of course. Ownership figured they were gonna be in Carson this year, and wasn't gonna take the chance of trying to enter a new market with the possibility of the next Jamarcus Russell, Sam Bradford or Ryan Leaf at the helm. With Rivers at least they knew what they were gonna be trying to sell tickets with.

The same reason why McCoy is still here. Save the new coach for the new market. You think they don't know he's not their guy of the future ?

Things like this are a big reason why I am boycotting the NFL. Business decisions will always swing much more weight than whatever happens on the field. Fans watch football because they love the competitive sport, they don't give a damn about the business part of it, and more and more the NFL is showing that it is a business that just happens to be involved with competitive sports.

Anyway, back to the subject question...you have to move on from everyone eventually, but how you move on requires some type of strategy. What are the current options ?

Release him, take whatever cap hit and just draft whoever is available mid first round ?

Hope to land a replacement in Free agency ? (Good luck with that)

Look for a trade ? First and foremost, there is the no trade clause to dance around, so Rivers needs to be on board or it's not happening. The Titans trade was a rare opportunity, as most teams in that situation would prefer to draft the young QB. They just happened to be an aimless organization with no Ownership in place, and a HC at the time who had a history with Rivers. That situation is about as rare as they come. Will there be a team with a top 3 pick that is already set at QB this year, looking to trade down ? If they are indeed set at QB, than who/what do we trade away ? Is there even a prospect coming out that we would want to target ? (I have no idea).

The bottom line is whether it's now, or a few years from now, the transition probably isn't gonna be pretty. So if anyone out there is thinking we need to make a change now, for immediate impact, you're fooling yourself. Ultimately this discussion is all for naught anyway, because as stated above, a business decision from Ownership is what will determine when it's time to move on...
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Old 12-11-2016, 07:09 PM
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The focus should be to develop a championship defense. Between a young RB - Gordon and young TE - Henry. I think the Chargers have guys that can move the chains.

Getting a QB with mobility who can scramble and make a throw or run for the 1st down to extend a drive would be useful.

I think there is enough talent that if Chargers could eliminate a lot of turnovers (most in NFL this season) then they would win more games.

Rivers doesn't seem to be able to stay away from turnovers these days, especially 4th quarter turnovers.

See if he will waive his no trade clause. Send PR & 2018 3rd rd pick to the Jets for their 2018 1st rd pick.

I think 4 wins in 2015 & only 5 so far in 2016 could have been done by Clemens. At this point how much drop off would there really be?
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Alright, so here's what it looks like for 2017:

* A trade has many obstacles. The no-trade clause first and foremost. The others being who is trading for him (taking on his contract AND giving up something valuable for the acquisition) and what are they giving us in return that will solve our problems ?

* It appears the cap hit for releasing him next year would be $18 million. Only $2 million less than if he were to actually play next year, (assuming no further restructuring was done).

So with those above factors, and the all important factor of Ownership will do what is best for business, how exactly could we move on from him even if it is time ?
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Alright, so here's what it looks like for 2017:

* A trade has many obstacles. The no-trade clause first and foremost. The others being who is trading for him (taking on his contract AND giving up something valuable for the acquisition) and what are they giving us in return that will solve our problems ?

* It appears the cap hit for releasing him next year would be $18 million. Only $2 million less than if he were to actually play next year, (assuming no further restructuring was done).

So with those above factors, and the all important factor of Ownership will do what is best for business, how exactly could we move on from him even if it is time ?
You are right. The Chargers should have already been grooming a replacement for Rivers not withstanding the business aspect as you articulated. Now they are more boxed in a corner in trying to make a move from Rivers than they would have been previously.
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Not ready to give up yet. I'd rather replace our strength and conditioning coach and our coaching staff.
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