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Old 01-26-2017, 10:41 AM
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I can't believe they are talking about playing in Oakland for the 2 years before the stadium is built!? Talk about attendance issues!

Sam Boyd Stadium must be really bad if they can't play there...
So the Raiders can play 2 years, let alone 1, as a lame duck team in Oakland, but the Chargers would rather play in rinky dink Stub Hub than the Q??

Seems to me that provides the city of Oakland with those 2 years to come up with a stadium plan. Being approved for relocation does not mandate the team must go through with it. If I am mistaken on that, someone let me know. Two years that San Diego isn't getting.

Does anyone believe the Raider fans will come out in force, or not be somewhat hostile, just as Chargers fans have been?
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So the Raiders can play 2 years, let alone 1, as a lame duck team in Oakland, but the Chargers would rather play in rinky dink Stub Hub than the Q??

Seems to me that provides the city of Oakland with those 2 years to come up with a stadium plan. Being approved for relocation does not mandate the team must go through with it. If I am mistaken on that, someone let me know. Two years that San Diego isn't getting.

Does anyone believe the Raider fans will come out in force, or not be somewhat hostile, just as Chargers fans have been?
I would imagine prior to / during the construction phase in Vegas, the Raiders will enter into a few contractual obligations. Nobody's going to spend $1 billion on a stadium for the Raiders, only to allow the Raiders later to say "never mind".
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So the Raiders can play 2 years, let alone 1, as a lame duck team in Oakland, but the Chargers would rather play in rinky dink Stub Hub than the Q??

Seems to me that provides the city of Oakland with those 2 years to come up with a stadium plan. Being approved for relocation does not mandate the team must go through with it. If I am mistaken on that, someone let me know. Two years that San Diego isn't getting.

Does anyone believe the Raider fans will come out in force, or not be somewhat hostile, just as Chargers fans have been?
the raider fans are beat down at this point, the older ones already have lived through the LA move. plus, LV does not have the bitter taste that LA has for San Diego residents - vegas has a neutral and "hip" factor. the raiders are their own identity at this point, with or without oakland. some fans will be bitter, but some of them will just start planning trips to vegas - just like LA raiders fans commute to oakland (and used to go to SD). also, oakland has more issues than SD, a poorer city and a baseball team caught up in the stadium problem - the fans know it is a disaster in oakland, so the raiders get more of a free pass due to that. Davis Jr. is still a ******* for taking the money grab, i'm just giving my opinion on the differences.
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Raiders are proposing a $1 a year lease on the new stadium in Las Vegas.
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Sheldon Adelson has officially withdrawn as an investor in the Las Vegas stadium project.
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Sands casino owner Sheldon Adelson drove a bargain so hard with the Raiders that he has been driven out of the process.

Adelson is out and, presumably, Goldman Sachs is in as the private partner for the team and league as the effort to move to Las Vegas continues.

“The Raiders deeply appreciate the efforts of the Adelson family to bring the Raiders to Las Vegas,” the team said in a statement. “We know this project could not have advanced to this point without them. The Raiders remain steadfast in honoring Mark Davis’ commitment to Governor Sandoval and the State of Nevada to pursue relocation to Las Vegas.”

Adelson and the Raiders initially planned to partner on the stadium effort. In recent months, however, Adelson’s demands proved unwieldy, culminating in an expectation that Adelson and his family would acquire equity in the team and, potentially, a path to control of the franchise.

If/when a final deal with the team is reached, Goldman Sachs will provide the additional private capital necessary to get the stadium built. Nevada will be kicking in $750 million to the $2.1 billion project.

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Casino mogul Sheldon Adelson has pulled out of a plan to build a $1.9 billion domed stadium for the NFL's Oakland Raiders to move to Las Vegas.

In a terse statement on Monday, Adelson declared that he had been excluded from talks before the team sent a lease proposal last week to the public board that will own the 65,000-seat stadium.

Adelson's name was not part of the Raiders' relocation application, according to a source.

Adelson says his family and Las Vegas Sands "will no longer be involved in any facet" of the plan.

The Raiders issued a statement after the Adelson family pulled out of the stadium project.

"The Raiders deeply appreciate the efforts of the Adelson family to bring the Raiders to Las Vegas. We know this project could not have advanced to this point without them. The Raiders remain steadfast in honoring Mark Davis' commitment to Governor Sandoval and the State of Nevada to pursue relocation to Las Vegas."

Adelson had pledged $650 million and the Raiders $500 million, with the stadium authority putting up $750 million in Las Vegas tax revenues.

Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval's office said the proposal now is for the Raiders to invest $1.15 billion and accept operating responsibilities.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...move-las-vegas

Raiders proposed last week a $1 year lease on the stadium.
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If I comprehend correctly the Raiders are covering the 650 million dollar difference?

If that's the case and they are willing to put up 1.15 Billion + a relocation fee then there is no reason they need to be moving, especially when you consider they'll be moving to a smaller market. The league is getting it all wrong when it comes to letting these teams play musical chairs.
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Casino mogul Sheldon Adelson has pulled out of a plan to build a $1.9 billion domed stadium for the NFL's Oakland Raiders to move to Las Vegas.

In a terse statement on Monday, Adelson declared that he had been excluded from talks before the team sent a lease proposal last week to the public board that will own the 65,000-seat stadium.

Adelson's name was not part of the Raiders' relocation application, according to a source.

Adelson says his family and Las Vegas Sands "will no longer be involved in any facet" of the plan.

The Raiders issued a statement after the Adelson family pulled out of the stadium project.

"The Raiders deeply appreciate the efforts of the Adelson family to bring the Raiders to Las Vegas. We know this project could not have advanced to this point without them. The Raiders remain steadfast in honoring Mark Davis' commitment to Governor Sandoval and the State of Nevada to pursue relocation to Las Vegas."

Adelson had pledged $650 million and the Raiders $500 million, with the stadium authority putting up $750 million in Las Vegas tax revenues.

Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval's office said the proposal now is for the Raiders to invest $1.15 billion and accept operating responsibilities.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...move-las-vegas

Raiders proposed last week a $1 year lease on the stadium.
Man -- I love this stuff.

Without anything to do about my beloved Chargers versus the low-rent black and silver.

I just love hard core business negotiations. Each side having agendas (of course), but also the uncertainty of who's on the same page (when at least one side usually thinks it's all huggy huggy kiss kiss). Watching how the deal is "set up" by each side going in; how each side tries to manipulate/massage/steer the other; to how it starts to transpire when specifics are put to paper, with an inked signature underneath. LOVE IT. It's just like tracking the X's and O's as a football play develops. Deception. Adjustments. Man, it is a thing of beauty to navigate this path.

And it certainly appears that Adelson thought he had set things up in a way to take advantage -- and was caught.

It appears that all sides to this potential deal have brought some mental-firepower into this fight negotiation.
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So in other words, the Raiders would almost certainly be pouncing on Inglewood had the Chargers passed up their option ... if they wouldn't have already pounced.
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