Stadium Proposals Thread

[vodka&boltzs]

I think Arnold will ignore your calls cause the guy had f-up California so much that this will be the last thing on his mind. I bet he signs and doesn't even know what he is signing cause that's the kind of idiot he is. So I guess till will tell what happens from here but SD politicians had a chance and never thought the day would come that the chargers would have other options to get a new stadium. Only hope is that another team bites and jumps at the offer quicker than the chargers do but with roskies ties with the Spanos it doesn't look good

[DusBrad]

Some good news for those still hoping to see a stadium on the waterfront.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...-running-down/

CHULA VISTA — The South Bay Power Plant, which Chula Vista officials have sought to remove from the city's waterfront for years, will soon be halfway to decommissioned status, according to the state's Independent System Operator.
In an Oct. 9 letter to Dynegy, which leases and operates the 49-year-old facility from the San Diego Unified Port District, an ISO official said the agency will not extend the plant's “must run” status on two of its four generators.
Permission to operate two of the generators “will terminate at midnight as of Dec. 31, 2009,” the letter states.
The two remaining generators provide emergency power during peak use. That power is supposed to be for San Diego County residents, but Chula Vista Councilman Steve Castaneda, a leader in the movement to shut down the plant, said it is not.
“The power that the South Bay Power Plant generates is going to Los Angeles and not San Diego,” Castaneda said.
ISO officials said it is hard to determine where the energy goes.
“Chances are it's being consumed locally most of the time,” said Gregg Fishman, a spokesman for the ISO, a nonprofit corporation that manages the statewide power supply.
Calls to Dynegy were not returned.
Forces that have been working to remove the plant from the South Bay skyline say its demise is imminent.
The San Diego Regional Water Quality Control Board last month decided to take a closer look at the plant's cooling system, which can kill or injure more than 1.6 million fish and larvae each year because it sucks in water from San Diego Bay. Also, the California Energy Commission last month downgraded the county's forecast for peak-demand power through 2020.
Castaneda said ISO and San Diego Gas & Electric Co. officials told him the ISO could acknowledge next week that the South Bay Power Plant will soon no longer be needed. A new Otay Mesa power plant that is up and running and another plant near Pala that comes online next year will more than make up for the loss of electricity, he said.
“We need (the) ISO to release the whole plant,” said Laura Hunter of the Environmental Health Coalition. “It's time. This community has been patient. It's time for the ISO to pay attention to the impacts their decisions have.”
A call to Jim Avery, vice president of power supply for SDG&E, was not returned yesterday, but Castaneda said he has had discussions with him about the agency not needing energy from the South Bay Power Plant.
Chula Vista has been trying to develop its bayfront for years and has entertained interest from the San Diego Chargers and Gaylord Entertainment.
The Chargers considered building a new stadium at the site of the South Bay Power Plant, while Gaylord wanted to build a hotel and convention center. Both projects fell through.
Castaneda said talks with the Chargers have not been revived.
“I think that without being overly optimistic, (shutting down the plant) is the most important thing we can do to improve the attractiveness and the viability of our city's bayfront,” he said.

[vodka&boltzs]

that power plant has been talked about so much in the past and I dont think that its going to happen

[DusBrad]

Originally Posted by vodka&boltzs

that power plant has been talked about so much in the past and I dont think that its going to happen

Did you read the article? Imminent demise? Halfway shut down? No longer necessary? I know it has been talked about for a long time. That is the point of the article. It looks like things are starting to happen that will bring about its closure. It will close. That is not up for debate. Will it close in time to be of help in a stadium search? That remains to be seen.

[JoeMcRugby]

Originally Posted by Raider Disliker

#1: Every San Diego Chargers fan who lives in the State of California needs to start a firestorm in Gov. Schwarzenegger's office via phone calls, e-mails, etc. The guy is termed-out, but we all need to at least try to get him to veto the bill.
#2: There's always litigation, to challenge the bill. Best start a lit. fund now.
#3: With all due respect to McRugby, all he says is, "You've got to build a stadium now, San Diego." Which is no different from the message Chargers management would send. Which makes you wonder about the neutrality of the moderator...

I have nothing to do with the Chargers organization.

I've been sounding the same horn for a couple of years now. Many have said nothing needs to be done because the Chargers have no options outside of SD because nobody can build a stadium.

Somebody 120 miles north looks like he's building a stadium. I've told those who said that the Chargers won't - and can't - move not to complain when the inevitiable comes.

SD is repeating the same mistakes of Oakland, Baltimore, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Cleveland, Baltimore and Houston. If the Chargers leave and they want an NFL team back (I'm not sure that would happen), it's going to cost taxpayers massive money to get it done.

People can't say that I didn't see this coming - because I did.

[charger1_sj]

Originally Posted by JoeMcRugby

I have nothing to do with the Chargers organization.

I've been sounding the same horn for a couple of years now. Many have said nothing needs to be done because the Chargers have no options outside of SD because nobody can build a stadium.

Somebody 120 miles north looks like he's building a stadium. I've told those who said that the Chargers won't - and can't - move not to complain when the inevitiable comes.

SD is repeating the same mistakes of Oakland, Baltimore, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Cleveland, Baltimore and Houston. If the Chargers leave and they want an NFL team back (I'm not sure that would happen), it's going to cost taxpayers massive money to get it done.

People can't say that I didn't see this coming - because I did.

If the Chargers leave for the LA region, SD will won't get an NFL team for at least the next 50 years.

For starters about 50% of the Charger fan base in SD will stay loyal to the Chargers in LA, making the marketing of an NFL franchise in SD that much more difficult.

Secondly the good city of SD isn't going to flip the bill for a $1B stadium to bring in a team. They wouldn't give up land consessions worth perhaps $200M to keep a legacy team in the city. Won't happen.

[Raider Disliker]

Originally Posted by charger1_sj

If the Chargers leave for the LA region, SD will won't get an NFL team for at least the next 50 years.

For starters about 50% of the Charger fan base in SD will stay loyal to the Chargers in LA, making the marketing of an NFL franchise in SD that much more difficult.

Don't count me in that 50% -- they leave, they're history to me.

[AlbertoCharger]

Did anyone else notice that in Fabiani's transcript he reversed the Chargers' long standing insistence that they would never sell even a portion of the team?

"The Spanos family has never indicated a desire to sell a majority stake in the team, and that is pretty well known. It is not inconceivable that, for estate planning purposes, a minority stake in the team might be sold at some point....but the Spanos family intends to retain majority ownership under any and all foreseeable circumstances."


Hmmmmm...this just another coincedence in a long line of coincedences that makes you wonder.

So they started marketing in LA in January because of the bad economy and now they may sell part of the team for estate planning purposes.

Fabiani could sell ice to eskimos.

[Raider Disliker]

Originally Posted by AlbertoCharger

Did anyone else notice that in Fabiani's transcript he reversed the Chargers' long standing insistence that they would never sell even a portion of the team?

"The Spanos family has never indicated a desire to sell a majority stake in the team, and that is pretty well known. It is not inconceivable that, for estate planning purposes, a minority stake in the team might be sold at some point....but the Spanos family intends to retain majority ownership under any and all foreseeable circumstances."


Hmmmmm...this just another coincedence in a long line of coincedences that makes you wonder.

So they started marketing in LA in January because of the bad economy and now they may sell part of the team for estate planning purposes.

Fabiani could sell ice to eskimos.

Fabiani is right out of the L.A. political scene, big friend of Mayor Villaragosa, and Al Gore. The federal estate tax is no joke; when Alexander Spanos dies, they may indeed have to sell part of the team to satisfy Uncle Sam. Now who do you suppose the minority owner might be? Mr. Roski, perhaps?

[RRizGod]

::in my imitation Arnold voice::

Go Chargers GO!