Dean? AJ? Norv? Post It Here

[Thunderstruck]

Originally Posted by JoeMcRugby

You stated that what did we expect - for the players to throw Norv under the bus? I simply stated that the players didn't need to throw him under the bus - all they had to do was keep quiet or speak in stereotypical player cliche talk.

If the players wanted Norv to be gone, all they had to do was not lobby for his return. Lobbying for his return is exactly what happened - and PR not only lobbied the owner, he also lobbied through the media:



You can listen to PR right here:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-norv-turner/

Right or wrong, agree or disagree with their thought process, the players wanted Norv back. That's a fact.

*Puts on pretend psychologist hat*

I also think PR tends to form exceptionally tight bonds with his head coach, probably because his dad was a coach. So you really do have to take PR's objectivity with a grain of salt.

[Bolted]

C'mon.... why bring up a topic like this again. Everyone should already know. Not hatin... but there's better things to talk about.

[Boltar]

Lets assume the players genuingly wanted Norv/AJ back. Does that make the decision correct or more correct? Do employees (or fans) always know whats best for the company?

I once had a boss who I did not like. In fact, I couldnt stand him. But boy did the company grow and I made alot of money.

At this point we must agree to disagree.

[JOE KING]

Originally Posted by Boltar

Lets assume the players genuingly wanted Norv/AJ back. Does that make the decision correct or more correct? Do employees always know whats best for the company?

I once had a boss who I did not like. In fact, I couldnt stand him. But boy did the company grow and I made alot of money.

At this point we must agree to disagree.

So you're saying the Chargers should bring in a coach the players don't like? Or are you just trying to support your line of thinking?

[SDchargersONLY]

this is just a thread perfect for arguments and complaining.

[Boltar]

No, I beleive its IS important to "like" your coaches. Its not as important as respect, motivational and leadership skills.

Belicheck is a notorious jerk and not even close to being a nice guy, but a shoe in HOF coach with results.

A great coaches skill and legacy is not measured by a popularity contest. Its measured in SB wins.

[Thunderstruck]

Originally Posted by SDchargersONLY

this is just a thread perfect for arguments and complaining.

Isn't that pretty much any thread, though?

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by Bolted

C'mon.... why bring up a topic like this again. Everyone should already know. Not hatin... but there's better things to talk about.

Welcome to the CMB, good sir.

[starry]

Originally Posted by JOE KING

So you're saying the Chargers should bring in a coach the players don't like? Or are you just trying to support your line of thinking?

I've no doubt the players could grow to like another coach extremely quickly.

[LABoltsFan]

Originally Posted by JoeMcRugby

You stated that what did we expect - for the players to throw Norv under the bus? I simply stated that the players didn't need to throw him under the bus - all they had to do was keep quiet or speak in stereotypical player cliche talk.

If the players wanted Norv to be gone, all they had to do was not lobby for his return. Lobbying for his return is exactly what happened - and PR not only lobbied the owner, he also lobbied through the media:



You can listen to PR right here:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-norv-turner/

Right or wrong, agree or disagree with their thought process, the players wanted Norv back. That's a fact.

truth...

Dean did his homework and looked at all the options. When things settled he was faced with the status quo, or taking a gamble with a no-name HC (or upstart). Bottom line is that he saw that this is an issue and very methodically went to understand it and do his best (given the available options) to improve.

He went back and analyzed the cause of the failures and attributed a lot of them to injury. Obviously, he had doubts about the HC (and GM) situation as he looked at replacing them.

In his research, he found that Norv had not "lost the locker room" and that the players felt that their own performances or outside factors (injuries) were the main cause of their poor showing. Some consideration must be given to Manusky last season also.

Given that there were no options, and that overall Norv's record is positive, he kept the status quo. If you think that we were 1 game (or big play, or TONS of INJURIES) short of the Post Season in the last 2 seasons, you can convince yourself that Norv's only missed the playoffs once - kinda. Basically it came down to hoping that bad luck and motivation can be overcome and that the alternative represented a potential step backward.

It's funny how many of the "old guard" are gone (MM, Dielman, VJ, Tolbert, Gregory, Cooper, etc) and that the list of starters for this year is primarily comprised of players in the final year of their contract, players looking for redemption, or young players looking to make a name for themselves.