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Old 03-20-2012, 10:45 AM
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I have. You obviously haven't seen rookies thrown to the fire improve.

I'm not a Gabbert fan, but if I have to choose between Gabbert and Tebow for the next three years, I'll take Gabbert.

Have you seen Tebow play? Or was the Kool-Aid too strong
I agree that the Jags will not trade Gabbert for Tebow. The rest I don't agree with.

Gabbert was terrible, far worse than Tebow. The Jags haven't given up on him as they shouldn't. But as of right now give me Tebow for the Jags over Gabbert.
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Old 03-20-2012, 10:46 AM
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I agree that the Jags will not trade Gabbert for Tebow. The rest I don't agree with.

Gabbert was terrible, far worse than Tebow. The Jags haven't given up on him as they shouldn't. But as of right now give me Tebow for the Jags over Gabbert.
Gabbert actually has a QB's skill set he just needs to get confidence and stop playing scared.

Tebow has the opposite problem.
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Old 03-20-2012, 10:52 AM
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No, it's not if you're talking about "value" equating to the likelihood of turning into a long-term NFL quarterback.

Gabbert's value to NFL teams in a trade is greater than Tebow's as an NFL quarterback. The Jags aren't going to trade Gabbert.

The Jags will give up a "used bag of footballs" draft pick equivalent to obtain former 1st rounder Tebow - and yes, he will increase attendance due to his personality and Florida Gator saviour roots, not his ability to evolve into a long-term NFL quarterback. He's a gimmick that always gets solved.

I've been saying for a long time that Tebow is headed for Jax because he will fill seats. They won't be forced to give up much because nobody else will either.
you're not thinking like an owner, you're thinking like a GM...

which isnt wrong, just naive right now...

the current owner in Jax has gone on record saying that he would have used his 1st round pick on Tebow had he been the owner at the time of the draft...

the owner is in this for money, its a business... Jax has as bad of attendance as any team in football...

the owner would happily fork over Gabbert if it netted him Tebow...

Gabbert was terrible, he wouldnt even hesitate...
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Gabbert actually has a QB's skill set he just needs to get confidence and stop playing scared.

Tebow has the opposite problem.
You don't win a championship by being scared. This is what bothers me about Gabbert. He may have the talent but he may never amount to anything.

Your right about Tebow, but talent isn't everything. We'll be talking about Tebow again.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:06 AM
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You don't win a championship by being scared. This is what bothers me about Gabbert. He may have the talent but he may never amount to anything.

Your right about Tebow, . We'll be talking about Tebow again.
Agreed with what I left above.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:18 AM
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heck that's what we got for Brees
The big difference being that Brees was an unrestricted free agent - with a shredded shoulder to boot.

The Donkos should jump if a 4th rounder is offered for Tebow. The closer it gets to draft day, the price goes down because teams know that he'll be released before OTAs begin.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:29 AM
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So a wildcat gimmick QB who SELLS SEATS for a 1st round bust of a QB. Seems like a no brainer to me
There you go labeling a rookie a bust.

You can join the bench with those calling Ryan Mathews a bust at the same juncture of his career while playing a position that is much much easier making the transition from college to the NFL, especially when playing quarterback lacking an offensive line and WRs.

Gabbert has a potential future as a quarterback, Tebow doesn't. In a trade, Gabbert has more value.

If your goal is to sell tickets and jerseys as a football owner, then Tebow undeniably has more value.
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:36 PM
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Due solely to the mass chaos of apocolyptic proportions that will arise from such a move, I'm really hoping that Tebow gets traded to the Jets!!!

Get'cha popcorn ready!!!
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:13 PM
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Andrew Brandt breaks down the Manning contract:

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Manning will make $18 million -- his jersey number -- regardless of injury. Simple.

Years Two and Three: The physical and the waiver

Not so simple. Manning will undergo what is termed a “postseason physical” 10 days before the start of the 2013 League Year, sometime in late February or early March. In the event Manning passes that physical, he will activate a $40 million guarantee, paid out as $20 million salaries in both 2013 and 2014.

The Broncos will have further protection with an injury waiver to Manning’s neck for these two years. In the event Manning suffers an injury that is related to his C-6/C-7 cervical spine fusion “and related pathologies,” the Broncos will be able to reduce the guarantee for the following year. For example, were Manning to suffer an injury in Week 10 of 2013 related to his neck injury, the Broncos would pay the rest of the 2013 salary, but not be on the hook for 2014.

The waiver gives the Broncos protection on one “body part” of Manning; the key body part of the transaction, his surgically repaired neck.

Years Four and Five: Annual physicals and guarantee

Manning is scheduled to make $19 million in both 2015 and 2016. The amount becomes guaranteed when Manning passes his physical prior to the start of each League Year. This is similar to the guarantee above, although on a year-to-year basis rather than the two-year guarantee of 2013-2014.

Of course, the Broncos can release Manning prior to that physical in either year and avoid any future liability.

For the full post: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/41745/brandt-assessing-peyton-manning%e2%80%99s-deal
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There you go labeling a rookie a bust.

You can join the bench with those calling Ryan Mathews a bust at the same juncture of his career while playing a position that is much much easier making the transition from college to the NFL, especially when playing quarterback lacking an offensive line and WRs.

Gabbert has a potential future as a quarterback, Tebow doesn't. In a trade, Gabbert has more value.

If your goal is to sell tickets and jerseys as a football owner, then Tebow undeniably has more value.
That is a ridiculous statement... Who is calling who a bust again!? Tebow won consecutive games and a playoff game as a young starter. What has Gabbert done again?

They both have potential... Tebow>Gabbert anyday of the week IMO...
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