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Old 05-25-2012, 10:36 AM
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I don't really miss Robinson, I actually liked Ajirotutu better than Walters
I don't miss either now but was jealous of what Robinson did for Romo while 2011 was going on.
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:03 AM
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Hey Bro not everyone here thought VJ was what you think he is. He never dominated any quality cb, he was good against bad to average cb's and sucked against quality cb's. So no one is pulling him down, they're just stating the facts. Lots of fans here looked at VJ's physical stature over what he did against quality players. Please don't forget VJ was never a straight up pro-bowler, he was an alternate, that played in the pro-bowl because the WR's that were better then him, either didn't want to play in the pro-bowl or couldn't. That right there doesn't even put him in the top 10 in the NFL,maybe top 10 in the AFC.
And how many Pro-bowls has Meachem been to alternate or otherwise i can tell you 0.

would finish the game with 7
receptions for 111 yards, becoming
the first receiver of the 2009 NFL
Season to record a 100 yard game
on Jet's All Pro CB Darrelle Revis .

Yes never vs top CB,s ever lol

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had a strong showing in his first
Pro Bowl appearance, racking in 7
receptions for 122 yards including
a 48 yard catch and run for a
Touchdown.

Is it the best cb's in the probowl?
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:31 AM
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And how many Pro-bowls has Meachem been to alternate or otherwise i can tell you 0.

would finish the game with 7
receptions for 111 yards, becoming
the first receiver of the 2009 NFL
Season to record a 100 yard game
on Jet's All Pro CB Darrelle Revis .

Yes never vs top CB,s ever lol

Jackson
had a strong showing in his first
Pro Bowl appearance, racking in 7
receptions for 122 yards including
a 48 yard catch and run for a
Touchdown.

Is it the best cb's in the probowl?
Sometimes. Using a popularity contest as a standard is a little weak. Ya gotta be good to get there, true. That's it though.
It's an exhibition, not an NFL game played under normal conditions and rules.
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:53 AM
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Hey Bro not everyone here thought VJ was what you think he is. He never dominated any quality cb, he was good against bad to average cb's and sucked against quality cb's. So no one is pulling him down, they're just stating the facts. Lots of fans here looked at VJ's physical stature over what he did against quality players. Please don't forget VJ was never a straight up pro-bowler, he was an alternate, that played in the pro-bowl because the WR's that were better then him, either didn't want to play in the pro-bowl or couldn't. That right there doesn't even put him in the top 10 in the NFL,maybe top 10 in the AFC.
This might be the most off the wall statement I have read in recent memory. Ok, maybe that is a stretch, but come on, VJ is a top 10 in this league whether you like him or not. Top 10 in the AFC? Please name me 9 guys in the AFC that are better than VJ?
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:55 AM
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Wow...a sensitive receiver who feels for his QB...I'd like to guess he got that from playing with Drew all these years....
Got to have that SYNERGY...THAT SYMBIOSIS, baby!

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And how many Pro-bowls has Meachem been to alternate or otherwise i can tell you 0.

would finish the game with 7
receptions for 111 yards, becoming
the first receiver of the 2009 NFL
Season to record a 100 yard game
on Jet's All Pro CB Darrelle Revis .

Yes never vs top CB,s ever lol

Jackson
had a strong showing in his first
Pro Bowl appearance, racking in 7
receptions for 122 yards including
a 48 yard catch and run for a
Touchdown.

Is it the best cb's in the probowl?
Your point on Revis is solid. But (and this is just friendly advice) you would be a lot more credible if you left the pro bowl out of any and all arguments regarding how good a player really is, both getting selected for the game and how they did in it. The pro bowl is a joke where about 90% of the players go half-speed and the rules are tweaked to favor offense even more than normal.
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I see Jason Barnes fits that mold better. He could add weight in the NFL, which would place himin the VJ, M80 mold. Green starts out bigger then either VJ or M80.
If I remember correctly, VJ was huge when he came into the league in 2005, about as heavy as green is now. I think VJ lost weight after a couple years. When he finally hit his stride as a pro, he was about 15 pounds lighter than his rookie year. Kind of the opposite of Floyd, who had to gain weight and could still afford to gain more. So it is a physical possibility that Green could slim down and be converted to WR.

But I doubt it will happen though, I think grooming a good TE for the future is very important.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:48 PM
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This might be the most off the wall statement I have read in recent memory. Ok, maybe that is a stretch, but come on, VJ is a top 10 in this league whether you like him or not. Top 10 in the AFC? Please name me 9 guys in the AFC that are better than VJ?
VJ was the #6 WR in the AFC in receiving yds in 2011. NFL #14. If you add in TEs he drops several slots. If you count catches, he's not even top 50. If you avg him over 5 yrs he drops.
He's a quality WR and an asset and that's about it.
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If I remember correctly, VJ was huge when he came into the league in 2005, about as heavy as green is now. I think VJ lost weight after a couple years. When he finally hit his stride as a pro, he was about 15 pounds lighter than his rookie year. Kind of the opposite of Floyd, who had to gain weight and could still afford to gain more. So it is a physical possibility that Green could slim down and be converted to WR.

But I doubt it will happen though, I think grooming a good TE for the future is very important.
The Chargers listed VJ's weight as 230 lbs in 2005 when they drafted him.
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VJ was the #6 WR in the AFC in receiving yds in 2011. NFL #14. If you add in TEs he drops several slots. If you count catches, he's not even top 50. If you avg him over 5 yrs he drops.
He's a quality WR and an asset and that's about it.
You cannot count number of catches. Number of times he got targeted is important. TD catches are important. Yards/reception are important. But number of catches depends on how many times the play involved VJ, the Qb, the time the Qb has, the other targets, etc.

VJ is not an elite WR in the mold of Megatron, but not many are. He was however our best WR by a long shot and a definite asset to PR and the Chargers.
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