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Old 07-10-2012, 02:59 PM
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Default Approaches to the Oline

Old school GM's and coaches who subscribe to that approach normally like to take their starting Oline in draft rounds 2-5. The reason being because of the old salary structure and the length of time it took to develop starters, combined with a big bust rate, it made sense not to tie up cap on guys that would take 3+ years to develop. These guys would be near the end of their rookie contracts before you knew if you had a starter or not.

This is the approach generally taken by Ossie Newsome GM of the Ravens and to a lesser extent AJ here in San Diego. The Ravens have one of the oldest Olines in the league but most feel that will change in 2013. Over the past two years they have taken projected starters in draft rounds 2,3, and 4. They are allowing them to develop as backups on the roster for one to two years before working them into the lineup.

For the most part AJ takes a similar approach with some exceptions. He's willing to start rookies or second year players if they show enough to warrant that consideration. But his acquisition of those players is still strictly old school.

This philosophy IMO produces olines that might not be the worst in the league but generally are middle of the road performers. The idea is apparently to have an oline "good enough" to allow his offensive skill players to make plays, i.e. Rivers, Mathews, Gates, and his WRs.

People obviously take issue with this approach but given the high productivity of the offense under both Norv and Schottenheimer it's hard to argue with it's success to date. There is validity to this approach as an offensive coordinator can mitigate short comings in his offensive line with good play calling and play design. Both Norv and Cam have been able to do just that.

There is no doubt that the increased sophistication of collegiate coaching has allowed teams to start oline players as rookies with success. The AJ haters should take a moment and notice that the Chargers have evolved with the times. McNeill, Hardwick and Vasquez started as rookies.

There are few olines in the league without issues. Though most here bemoan the drafting approach that AJ takes, its hard to argue simply because the Charger offense has been among the best in the league for a long time. Yes, AJ would rather spend those high picks on "skill" players than in the trenches. But once again I would expect this offense to be among the best this year and River's hasn't taken the beating that many other QBs have behind their lesser olines.
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O linemen aren't easy to evaluate.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:33 PM
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:37 PM
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The impact of position coaches on the performance of Olines.

AJ either directly or indirectly through head coaches has brought in some very well respected Oline coaches who have done alot with a little.

Drafting a hightly rated OT in the first round is a popular decision for teams when they are available, and alot have panned out well.

Though not a OT I would have loved drafting Decastro this year and plug him in day one so that we could get the run game going once Norv is fired at the end of the year for not running the ball.

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AJ doesn't, nor has he ever, determined who plays......that would be the HC's job.



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Old 07-10-2012, 05:41 PM
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Though not a OT I would have loved drafting Decastro this year and plug him in day one so that we could get the run game going once Norv is fired at the end of the year for not running the ball.

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You are either totally ignorant to Norv's style of playcalling or dislike him so much that you let your bias blind you. But the fact is that he has always called a lot of running plays, when he's had a capable back to do so. And if he doesn't like to run the ball, then how in the hell did Emmitt Smith run for the most yards ever, or how did the many of RB's in his system regularly have 300+ carries in a season? LT being one of those in '07 and just missed 300 by only 8 carries in '08.

Have any more fairy tales that you'd like to share?
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Well like a lot of GM's when AJ has a top 20 pick, or in the case of the last two seasons a top 18 pick, they target impact players. A lot of the people drafting don't view offensive linemen as impact players, they want people who get touchdowns, get sacks, get turnovers.

We have targeted a RB high, CB's fairly high, OLB's, DE's, and QB's. A lot of teams do take LT's high, because they can allow the QB/RB time to get TD's, and help cut down on both sacks/turnovers. Even in a passing league not every GM would take a LT with a top 15 pick. Look how far DeCastro, Reiff, Glenn, and Konz fell.

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You are either totally ignorant to Norv's style of playcalling or dislike him so much that you let your bias blind you. But the fact is that he has always called a lot of running plays, when he's had a capable back to do so. And if he doesn't like to run the ball, then how in the hell did Emmitt Smith run for the most yards ever, or how did the many of RB's in his system regularly have 300+ carries in a season? LT being one of those in '07 and just missed 300 by only 8 carries in '08.

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Let's go with option #3. You are carrying Norv's jock. I mean how do you know if a rb is good if you dont run him? Who was the HC in Dallas? How many long runs out of Mathews last year? How many punch it down their throat drives were there last year?

Apparently you are not a proponent of the idea that "There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics."

As far as anymore fairy tales Id like to share, Norv isnt predictable in his play calling, the Chargers are viewed as a predominately run team, and posters here on the message board who dont want to see Mr. Rivers stop chucking the ball all over the field because they feel its the only way for SD to win games will agree with me about how Norv doesnt run the ball. Those are three right off the top of my head.

Oh and just as an aside, I wonder why Norv gets hired as a QB coach, and not a RB coach if his real bread and butter is running the ball. Things that make you go hmmmmm
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