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Old 08-30-2013, 02:58 PM
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I agree, AJ did good by building teams that had some good Playoff runs, but at the end of the day that really doesn't mean anything!

The REAL problem is he let all the good/great players that contributed to the Chargers getting the post season for a few years leave!

The reality is the Chargers will be lucky to win 6 games this year.
That may be true (let the players go) -- but it's still a lot more complex than people seem to understand (or admit). When your team has success, it's inevitable players will demand more money than you can afford to always keep on the roster.

We differ in saying it doesn't matter. It does matter -- it's relative, but it matters.

It doesn't matter compared to winning it all. Because if all that matters in a SuperBowl championship, that's really limiting what matters.

I don't really believe people when they say that's all that matters. If it were, then I think people would have very little fun watching knowing 31/32 teams are not going to achieve that goal. The game (football) matters -- that's why we watch. It's a great sport. Being a winning team that makes the playoffs matters enormously to ownership, making money, and building a fan base. Fans like to see their teams win. Is it a huge let down, a disappointment, depression when they lose? Yep -- it sucks. But we are gluttons for punishment and come back for more, because it matters.

It only takes a few huge playmakers to open another window for a team. The quality of most players in the NFL is very good, even if you're winning 4-8 games a year. So if you can supplement your professional level (average relative to the league) team with a few intangibles and superstars (at the right price), or shore up an oline, or improve your defense, you can quickly rise to the top.

And when you're picking late every year, it makes it tough. The Patriots have had a knack for letting the right, overpriced players go, and trading for some good ones (and lots of picks, then playing the large sample game). They have also had the great fortune of picking up veteran players after big contracts at low prices -- something the Chargers have not been able to attract for whatever reason (maybe cause people didn't like Norv? Maybe because of San Diego's rep? Maybe because we've never won a championship).

I'm not going to make any bold predictions on how many games we will win this year. I really feel like we haven't seen the product in the preseason. I expect to see better football than is being assumed. But who knows.
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That's the million dollar question. There is little doubt he has elite-level talent, and should be in his prime as a QB.

But the pieces around him...I don't know. If anyone can pull it off it's Phil, but it's going to take some work.
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Old 08-30-2013, 03:14 PM
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That may be true (let the players go) -- but it's still a lot more complex than people seem to understand (or admit). When your team has success, it's inevitable players will demand more money than you can afford to always keep on the roster.

We differ in saying it doesn't matter. It does matter -- it's relative, but it matters.

It doesn't matter compared to winning it all. Because if all that matters in a SuperBowl championship, that's really limiting what matters.

I don't really believe people when they say that's all that matters. If it were, then I think people would have very little fun watching knowing 31/32 teams are not going to achieve that goal. The game (football) matters -- that's why we watch. It's a great sport. Being a winning team that makes the playoffs matters enormously to ownership, making money, and building a fan base. Fans like to see their teams win. Is it a huge let down, a disappointment, depression when they lose? Yep -- it sucks. But we are gluttons for punishment and come back for more, because it matters.

It only takes a few huge playmakers to open another window for a team. The quality of most players in the NFL is very good, even if you're winning 4-8 games a year. So if you can supplement your professional level (average relative to the league) team with a few intangibles and superstars (at the right price), or shore up an oline, or improve your defense, you can quickly rise to the top.

And when you're picking late every year, it makes it tough. The Patriots have had a knack for letting the right, overpriced players go, and trading for some good ones (and lots of picks, then playing the large sample game). They have also had the great fortune of picking up veteran players after big contracts at low prices -- something the Chargers have not been able to attract for whatever reason (maybe cause people didn't like Norv? Maybe because of San Diego's rep? Maybe because we've never won a championship).

I'm not going to make any bold predictions on how many games we will win this year. I really feel like we haven't seen the product in the preseason. I expect to see better football than is being assumed. But who knows.

The difference is that teams like the Patriots know how to manage their assets. AJ on the other hand paid mediocre talent like Wilhelm, Clary, too much money which prevented him to sign playmakers like VJ. It also doesnt help when most of your 1st round players are busts...

Everything was personal with AJ. He was an immature 60 year old man, when you get into a public pissing match with one the franchises top 3 players, what free agent vets would want to come play for a GM/Franchise like that??
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Old 08-30-2013, 05:22 PM
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last time I checked Al Davis just died a year ago and the Cowboys won with this very same Jerry Jones in the Aikman era.
Al Davis was as good as dead football wise over a decade ago.

Jerry Jones just proves that a mediocre owner can be overcome by some personnel and good coaching. The Cowboys had many notable seasons before Jerrah.

The Chargers have had success in the Spanos era with culture changing coaches too.
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So much negativity this year it seems, the general mood around here seems to be that this season is a bust before it has even started. I for one am excited, we have a new coach and everyone is counting us out already, lets shock the world and do something great.
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So much negativity this year it seems, the general mood around here seems to be that this season is a bust before it has even started. I for one am excited, we have a new coach and everyone is counting us out already, lets shock the world and do something great.
Nothing is a bust until it actually is. We have had seasons with high hopes that only get dashed. This season we arent picked to do anything. So lets have some fun watching and hoping for some glimmers of good things to come
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The goal is the same as it is every year. Go after the Lombardi Trophy.
Popular opinion has nothing to do with winning football games, it's what our team does that will count.
We have a lot of new adds in coaching and players. This will be a different Chargers team and that's a lock.
I'm excited to see my 2013 Chargers play and compete. We have some great players who'll make some great plays. We can count the W-L total after the play is done.
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So much negativity this year it seems, the general mood around here seems to be that this season is a bust before it has even started. I for one am excited, we have a new coach and everyone is counting us out already, lets shock the world and do something great.
You haven't been around the CMB much have you.

The first rule of CMB is you do not be an optimist
The second rule of CMB is YOU DO NOT BE AN OPTIMIST
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You haven't been around the CMB much have you.

The first rule of CMB is you do not be an optimist
The second rule of CMB is YOU DO NOT BE AN OPTIMIST
You can't expect charger fans to perform any better than you expect the team to play. So, of course, we're not going to be very good at "not being optimists".
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The difference is that teams like the Patriots know how to manage their assets. AJ on the other hand paid mediocre talent like Wilhelm, Clary, too much money which prevented him to sign playmakers like VJ. It also doesnt help when most of your 1st round players are busts...

Everything was personal with AJ. He was an immature 60 year old man, when you get into a public pissing match with one the franchises top 3 players, what free agent vets would want to come play for a GM/Franchise like that??
Which "top 3 player" are you speaking of, VJ? Was the Deion Branch situation much different?
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