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Throw Back
12-09-2016, 10:01 PM
Pagano has never been able to get his defense to play on a consistent basis. They play the worst in the 4th QTR when the game is on the line. Presumably the problems with the defense are not Pagano's fault due to injuries or lack of talent.

Pagano was promoted from LB coach to DC by the Chargers. Thus, he has no proven track record other than what he has done with the Chargers which is mediocre.

What has Pagano done to justify being retained as the DC for so many years?

LongTimeOCBolts
12-09-2016, 10:10 PM
He doesn't.

He earns his check.

Keeping a pretty good defense out there week-in and week-out even though his available personell have an express walkway to IR.

Throw Back
12-09-2016, 10:17 PM
He doesn't.

He earns his check.

Keeping a pretty good defense out there week-in and week-out even though his available personell have an express walkway to IR.

His defense doesn't play well when the game is on the line. He doesn't keep a good defense out there week in and week out. They are inconsistent. That is the problem.

marion butts
12-09-2016, 10:20 PM
His defense doesn't play well when the game is on the line. He doesn't keep a good defense out there week in and week out. They are inconsistent. That is the problem.

Think we need biggest fan in here. He would love to discuss the pros and cons of John pagano.

LongTimeOCBolts
12-09-2016, 10:22 PM
Think we need biggest fan in here. He would love to discuss the pros and cons of John pagano.

Assuming SuperMelvin is unavailable, Biggie would be a suitable replacement.

Rivers2Gates49
12-09-2016, 10:35 PM
Pagano has never been able to get his defense to play on a consistent basis. They play the worst in the 4th QTR when the game is on the line. Presumably the problems with the defense are not Pagano's fault due to injuries or lack of talent.

Pagano was promoted from LB coach to DC by the Chargers. Thus, he has no proven track record other than what he has done with the Chargers which is mediocre.

What has Pagano done to justify being retained as the DC for so many years?

He has improved a lot as a DC and has gotten solid performances out of scrap heap players. Korey Toomer was practice squad player with the Raiders and has become a Pro Bowl-level performer here. You could make a good case for Casey Hayward being Comeback Player of the Year. We're one of the toughest units to run on in the league. We're among the league leaders in takeaways, despite being without some of our best defensive players like Mantei and Verrett.

Pagano has done a solid job and the defense has kept us in a lot of games. Unfortunately, the offense tends to self-destruct in the 4th quarter and puts the defense in a place where they have to win the game.

Pagano would be swiped up pretty quickly if we let him go, IMO.

Padres15
12-09-2016, 11:24 PM
He has improved a lot as a DC and has gotten solid performances out of scrap heap players. Korey Toomer was practice squad player with the Raiders and has become a Pro Bowl-level performer here. You could make a good case for Casey Hayward being Comeback Player of the Year. We're one of the toughest units to run on in the league. We're among the league leaders in takeaways, despite being without some of our best defensive players like Mantei and Verrett.

Pagano has done a solid job and the defense has kept us in a lot of games. Unfortunately, the offense tends to self-destruct in the 4th quarter and puts the defense in a place where they have to win the game.

Pagano would be swiped up pretty quickly if we let him go, IMO.

Toomer is having a nice season, but I don't agree that he's playing near pro bowl level. Hayward as Comeback POY? PFF graded him as a number one corner last year and was graded higher than guys like Verrett, Talib, and Sherman. He was very good last year so he's not really making a comeback, although he is having an excellent season.


I'm happy with Pagano. He's gotten a lot out of some players that weren't good enough elsewhere, and I think the D has played better than the numbers suggest despite all of the injuries. I don't think anyone has an answer as to why his defenses fall apart in the fourth quarter from time to time, but when the offense and special teams also continue to fall apart late in games it is hard for me to put the blame on Pags. I'd definitely like to keep him. That guy with the visor though...I'm not sure about him.

Rivers2Gates49
12-10-2016, 02:12 AM
Toomer is having a nice season, but I don't agree that he's playing near pro bowl level. Hayward as Comeback POY? PFF graded him as a number one corner last year and was graded higher than guys like Verrett, Talib, and Sherman. He was very good last year so he's not really making a comeback, although he is having an excellent season.


I'm happy with Pagano. He's gotten a lot out of some players that weren't good enough elsewhere, and I think the D has played better than the numbers suggest despite all of the injuries. I don't think anyone has an answer as to why his defenses fall apart in the fourth quarter from time to time, but when the offense and special teams also continue to fall apart late in games it is hard for me to put the blame on Pags. I'd definitely like to keep him. That guy with the visor though...I'm not sure about him.

You're right, I exaggerated a bit. Hayward had zero picks last year and leads the league this year, so that's where I was going with that one. And if you project Toomer's defensive stats out over a full 16-game season, it looks like a Pro Bowl year.

SDCPB
12-10-2016, 03:43 AM
If there's one game where I thought the defense wasn't doing well in it would be the Miami game. For the most part, the defense has kept the Chargers in games.

I'd like to see how Pagano does with a healthy defense. When Bosa, Brown, Mebane, Hayward, and Verrett are on the field together the defense will be really good.

DefenseWins
12-10-2016, 06:45 AM
Interviewed for the head-coach job that went to Turner, a former Chargers offensive coordinator, Rivera joined the staff as linebackers coach and became defensive coordinator a year later.

Pagano was the linebackers coach under Rivera, and became coordinator in 2012. In their last year together before the Panthers hired Rivera, the Chargers led the AFC in total defense.

“I love his aggressive nature and I love his creativity,” Rivera said of Pagano. “He has a future in this league and hopefully he’ll continue to get opportunities and get a chance to be a head coach someday.”

Rivera said that learning a “3-4” defense from Pagano, who worked under “3-4” expert Wade Phillips, was a boon to his career.

Pagano said he learned a lot about football from Rivera, a former Cal and Chicago Bears linebacker who apprenticed under two renowned defensive coordinators, Buddy Ryan and Jim Johnson. “I love Chico,” he said of Rivera.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/chargers/sd-sp-chargers-dwight-lowery-20161209-story.html

DefenseWins
12-10-2016, 06:56 AM
Carolina thoughtsOn John Pagano….

“I think John is a very bright and intelligent football coach, I really do. I really enjoyed my time working with John because John gave me a little bit of insight into offensive football. He started as an offensive quality control guy and really understood that part of it. So getting out there in San Diego and having him as basically my right hand guy, he was terrific. I think he’s doing a great job. I love his aggressive nature and I love his creativity. He has a future in this league and hopefully he’ll continue to get opportunities and get a chance to be a head coach someday.” – HC Ron Rivera

On Chargers Defense….

“(They are a) very opportunistic defense that I think they have are at the top three, if not leading the league, in takeaways. I have to be very accurate with the ball. I have to protect the football vs. this team.” – QB Cam Newton

“They are just good. They do a lot of unique things and it is going to be a good challenge for us, one we are really looking forward to.” – OT Mike Remmers
http://www.chargers.com/news/2016/12/09/what-panthers-are-saying-about-bolts

chargertom
12-10-2016, 07:55 AM
What has Pagano done to justify being retained as the DC for so many years?

Boy, we must be running out of stuff to complain about, if we have to start a thread like this. :wacko:

pacstud
12-10-2016, 09:52 AM
Think we need biggest fan in here. He would love to discuss the pros and cons of John pagano.

Ha...so truth.

Bolt4Life
12-10-2016, 01:34 PM
Is anyone happy with our defense? We have alot of int's but last I checked we were ranked bottom 10 in points allowed. We have a few studs. Still bad at getting pressure on the QB. I will give them that they are ranked 3rd against the run. Not sure how they are pulling this out but they are having success. Yes, there are much worse defenses than the Chargers. Yes I think after how many years with Pags we should be better if he's such a great DC. The odd thing is the offense right now is what's losing games for us so we really cannot blame the defense for our primary woes. Still, Pagano in my book gets passes every year here it seems.

How much of that is attributed to our offense being a turnover machine?

Throw Back
12-10-2016, 06:49 PM
Boy, we must be running out of stuff to complain about, if we have to start a thread like this. :wacko:
There are alot of things to complain about. Pagano is just on of the items on my list. Stay tuned more to come.

florida SD fan
12-11-2016, 09:39 AM
Since 2010 pags has received 20 players within first 4 picks compared to 9 for all the OC.

This is a learn as you earn job if you have not noticed by FO hires. So why not keep moving the water boy to QB coach to learn a from Rivers.

I would like Pags to just observe how the game is flowing so he can call plays in the 4th qtr that actually hold teams to FG not TD.

Can someone look up how many points we give up in 4th compared to how many 3 and outs.

I just would loved to see what this team would look like if they used 20 picks on offense.

Chargerfreak
12-12-2016, 02:01 AM
Since 2010 pags has received 20 players within first 4 picks compared to 9 for all the OC.

This is a learn as you earn job if you have not noticed by FO hires. So why not keep moving the water boy to QB coach to learn a from Rivers.

I would like Pags to just observe how the game is flowing so he can call plays in the 4th qtr that actually hold teams to FG not TD.

Can someone look up how many points we give up in 4th compared to how many 3 and outs.

I just would loved to see what this team would look like if they used 20 picks on offense.

Then you really won't like this: I would go at least 2-3 FA and 2 early picks on defense. Shore it up, and become steady stoppers of teams on defense. It starts there.

pacstud
12-12-2016, 09:05 AM
I'm with you. Along with good free agents on defense. This is the first year in a long time we made some good free agent moves defensively. Look at what the Giants did. Last year they were terrible on defense. They signed solid defensive starters and drafted a good corner. They are ranked 19th but 9th in points allowed. We need to focus more still on defense

The real question, why does biggestfan get a free pass?

Chargerfreak
12-12-2016, 09:31 AM
The real question, why does biggestfan get a free pass?

Free Woodeye

Free kemp

pacstud
12-12-2016, 12:30 PM
Why because I'm disappointed with the direction the team is going in? I thought this was an open forum?

Why do you get a free pass?

That was the question good sir.