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OldManCharger
10-22-2004, 04:16 PM
I ran this through a diagnotic analysis and it demonstrated that the 2003 Super Bowl champion New England Pats and Tom Brady would have been no match for the 1980 Dan Fouts led Chargers. Fouts has himself a nice 331 yard game in the simulation. Though WR Jouhn Jefferson pulls in the honors for player of the game with a TD and 180+ yards.

To Dream again. Perhaps Rivers will bring us back to that kind of greatness. But in the mean time my fingers are crossed that Brees does not return to his former self and leads us to the playoffs (am I still dreaming) Anyhow, true Bolt fans will like the results.

Team Statistics
2003 New England Patriots 1980 San Diego Chargers
First Downs 12 18
- Rushing 3 3
- Passing 8 12
- Penalty 1 3
3rd Down Eff. 4/19 4/17
4th Down Eff. 0/2 0/0
Rushes-Yards 23-77 26-117
Avg. Rush 3.3 4.5
Comp-Att-Int 13-41-0 20-43-2
Passing Yards 143 331
Sacks-Yards 9-60 3-12
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 0-0
Punts-Avg. 10-38.2 7-38.7
KR-Avg. 4-24.5 2-12.0
PR-Avg. 5-10.0 4-1.5
Penalties-Yard 11-70 8-52
Time of Possession 30:33 29:27


Scoring Summary
1st Quarter
NEW 11:16 FG Adam Vinatieri 48 yds. 3-0
SAN 10:54 TD John Jefferson 80 yd. pass from Dan Fouts (Rolf Benirschke kick) 3-7
NEW 2:29 TD Bethel Johnson 6 yd. pass from Tom Brady (Adam Vinatieri kick) 10-7
NEW 1:05 FG Adam Vinatieri 30 yds. 13-7
2nd Quarter
SAN 6:13 FG Rolf Benirschke 43 yds. 13-10
SAN 0:50 FG Rolf Benirschke 28 yds. 13-13
3rd Quarter
SAN 10:56 FG Rolf Benirschke 43 yds. 13-16
4th Quarter
NEW 11:42 FG Adam Vinatieri 40 yds. 16-16
SAN 1:41 TD Chuck Muncie 1 yd. run (Rolf Benirschke kick) 16-23



2003 New England Patriots Individual Stats
Rushing Rushes Yards TD
'03 Kevin Faulk 10 42 0
'03 Antowain Smith 11 32 0
'03 Tom Brady 2 3 0

Receiving Rec. Yards TD
'03 Deion Branch 4 62 0
'03 Kevin Faulk 2 26 0
'03 Troy Brown 2 23 0
'03 Bethel Johnson 2 17 1
'03 Antowain Smith 2 9 0
'03 Christian Fauria 1 6 0

Passing Comp. Att. Yards TD INT
'03 Tom Brady 13 41 143 1 0

1980 San Diego Chargers Individual Stats
Rushing Rushes Yards TD
'80 Chuck Muncie 18 82 1
'80 Mike Thomas

spysnipedis
10-22-2004, 04:20 PM
chargers would have won

xnet
10-22-2004, 04:25 PM
What did you run it through?

friarfish
10-22-2004, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by: XnetZERO
What did you run it through?

http://whatifsports.com/locker/default.asp

geekster
10-22-2004, 04:30 PM
Dan Fouts never had the opportunity to enjoy a defense like the Pats have... i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif

friarfish
10-22-2004, 04:31 PM
i just did my own sim


results were not pretty

http://whatifsports.com/nfl/bo...sp?gameid=1092933&ad=1 (http://whatifsports.com/nfl/boxscore.asp?gameid=1092933&ad=1)

geekster
10-22-2004, 04:43 PM
Again - if you are only modeling offenses - I like the 1980 Chargers over today's Pats "O" - but I watched that defense and I don't think the latter comes anywhere close to the Pats of today...

xnet
10-22-2004, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by: geekster
Again - if you are only modeling offenses - I like the 1980 Chargers over today's Pats "O" - but I watched that defense and I don't think the latter comes anywhere close to the Pats of today...

We had a defense back then? Funny, I always thought that the Chargers were only allowed to be good on one side of the ball. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

HeadTrip
10-22-2004, 04:59 PM
I never say the bolts play when tey were actually something, but I would still have to put my money on the Pats.

REDZONEFOOTBALL
10-22-2004, 05:48 PM
Mine had the Bolts winning also...

http://www.whatifsports.com/nf...sp?gameid=1092984&ad=1 (http://www.whatifsports.com/nfl/boxscore.asp?gameid=1092984&ad=1)

REDZONEFOOTBALL
10-22-2004, 05:53 PM
'94 Chargers vs. '03 Pats... Means BLOWIN up! LOL

Shamrock
10-22-2004, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by: geekster
Dan Fouts never had the opportunity to enjoy a defense like the Pats have...

What? In 1979 we were the NFL's second ranked defense:

http://www.pro-football-refere...years/tmstats1979.htm
(http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/tmstats1979.htm
)

They fell off the next year, but I still feel those two years were our best teams of that era.

geekster
10-22-2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by: Shamrock

Originally posted by: geekster

Dan Fouts never had the opportunity to enjoy a defense like the Pats have...

What? In 1979 we were the NFL's second ranked defense:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/tmstats1979.htm
">http://www.pro-football-refere...s/tmstats1979.htm
</a>
They fell off the next year, but I still feel those two years were our best teams of that era.
I thought we were talking about the 1980 team (defensive RANKing for the Chargers was 18th in the League THAT year)...

But yeah - you are correct about 1979 RANKings Sham, but you already know my opinion of RANKings. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

Other than Offense, (and we were well represented there), the only Charger defensive players in the 1979 Pro Bowl that year was Gary "Big Hands" Johnson and Fred Dean right? (They added Louie in 1980).

Back to '79 - We went 12 and 4 that year and then, if I remember right, Wade's Daddy "Bum" Phillips came in here with a beat up Houston team, lacking his stud RB, and whipped us like step kids... I don't remember all the "particulars" of that game - but I do remember setting in the west end zone feeling about as "deflated" as I've ever felt.

Pittsburgh represented the AFC in the '79 SuperBowl and won it...

Shamrock
10-22-2004, 06:32 PM
I was at that Houston game as well. The Oilers were also missing Pastorini. Who was there QB starter? Was Archie Manning on the Oilers then? I can't remember.

I also was at every game in '80. I seem to recall we had defensive injuries that year. Kelcher? I forget.

I still feel those two teams should have won the big game. Coryell blew his game plan against both the Oilers and Raiders in playoff losses, Fouts had bad games, and our clock management sucked both times.

I still think the biggest problem against both teams was overconfidence by our players. They just weren't themselves in either of those playoff losses.

The rest of those years, 81-84, you can argue that other teams were better regular season teams, but I still think the 79-80 teams were the best in the league. They just didn't finish the deal.

BUT ...... getting to your quote, then your comment back.

You said:


Dan Fouts never had the opportunity to enjoy a defense like the Pats have...

Never includes any and all years, and is not limited to 1980.

geekster
10-22-2004, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by: Shamrock
I was at that Houston game as well. The Oilers were also missing Pastorini. Who was there QB starter? Was Archie Manning on the Oilers then? I can't remember.

I also was at every game in '80. I seem to recall we had defensive injuries that year. Kelcher? I forget.

I still feel those two teams should have won the big game. Coryell blew his game plan against both the Oilers and Raiders in playoff losses, Fouts had bad games, and our clock management sucked both times.

I still think the biggest problem against both teams was overconfidence by our players. They just weren't themselves in either of those playoff losses.

The rest of those years, 81-84, you can argue that other teams were better regular season teams, but I still think the 79-80 teams were the best in the league. They just didn't finish the deal.
BUT ...... getting to your quote, then your comment back.
You said:

Dan Fouts never had the opportunity to enjoy a defense like the Pats have...
Never includes any and all years, and is not limited to 1980.
Hi Shamrock,
I can't remember who the QB was either - as a fan I was guilty of "looking ahead" and figured the Houston game was a "lock" with all their injuries - couldn't believe we got man-handled so easy. (Injured teams *can* fight like cornered rats - lesson to be remembered there for Sunday's game?)...

Regarding the injurys - wasn't that the year that or LTE got "speared" and had a fractured vertibrae as a result? Wasn't that also the year Woodie Lowe had a separated shoulder and tried to come back too soon?

Our defensive problems then, as now, seemed to center around the DBs, (my opinion)... We had one playing GREAT and nobody would throw at him - (sound familiar)? And THAT is the reason I say we wouldn't match up well with today's PATS defense and I don't remember ANY year that Dan played where we would have.... (Again, my opinion)..

If it were just the line - YES - I would match up that DL against anybody today... And MAN they were entertaining... But ....

Shamrock
10-22-2004, 07:26 PM
Here's the QB that subbed for Pastorini.

This tells about the game from the Oilers perspective.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/dream/week19.html

geekster
10-22-2004, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by: Shamrock
Here's the QB that subbed for Pastorini.

This tells about the game from the Oilers perspective.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/dream/week19.html
Thanks Shamrock - despite the "Houston slant" of the author - that is a pretty fair description of the "game" we watched that day...

This Sunday is another game - (THANK HEAVENS!) i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

GO CHARGERS!!!

Thunderstruck
10-22-2004, 08:51 PM
Lol! -4 in turnovers. No wonder we lost that one.

hegor
10-24-2004, 10:21 PM
LOL, looks like 2000 Chargers fared better!

http://www.whatifsports.com/nf...p?gameid=1094182&ad=1
(http://www.whatifsports.com/nfl/boxscore.asp?gameid=1094182&ad=1
)