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souksomsamouth
02-11-2005, 11:02 AM
COULD SOMEONE GIVE ME MEL KIPER MOCK DRAFT

Dan40
02-11-2005, 12:58 PM
First off, welcome to the forums. We have to let you know that it is against the forum rules to type in CAPS - it makes it seem like you are shouting.

I would like to see the Kiper draft too, if anyone has the list. I'd also like to bounce quarters off his hair.

IgorUnchained
02-12-2005, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by: Dan40
First off, welcome to the forums. We have to let you know that it is against the forum rules to type in CAPS - it makes it seem like you are shouting.

I would like to see the Kiper draft too, if anyone has the list. I'd also like to bounce quarters off his hair.


Now that you mention it, I could think of worse ways to spend a saturday afternoon than checking out Mel kiper Jrs mock all the while bouncing quarters off of his "hair helmet"

mgpretzel
02-12-2005, 03:54 PM
His hair hasn't changed for years!! I too want to see his Mock. I think he has one out but you have to have ESPN IN to see it. and I dont have that

squabble
02-13-2005, 02:27 AM
This is from the 8th of Feb.

Here's how they fall into order:
1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah - A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws.

2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas - A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned.

3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California - Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.

4. Chicago Bears: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan - Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Wiliams, RB, Auburn - A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years. Was also coached by Tampa head coach Jon Gruden in the Senior Bowl.

6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia - A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs.

7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma - A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end.

8. Arizona Cardinals: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn - Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level.

9. Washington Redskins: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC - Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he has excellent hands. Would be a great help in the development of quarterback Patrick Ramsey and help take some pressure off Clinton Portis in the running game.

10. Detroit Lions: Marcus Spears, DE, LSU - Spears boosted his stock immensely with an outstanding performance at the Senior Bowl. He showcased his speed, strength and athleticism against some of the best offensive linemen in the nation, and his size would make him a welcome addition for a team that needs to boost its pass rush.

11. Dallas Cowboys: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State - Spends a lot of time in opposing backfields after collapsing the pocket or gaining penetration against the run. Came on strong and raised his stock significantly during his senior year.

12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas - Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball.

13. Houston Texans: Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina - Perhaps the fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a nice complement to budding superstar and physical wideout Andre Johnson.

14. Carolina Panthers: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State - With light feet for a player his size, Barron is a consistent blocker who is equally adept in both the pass and run games.

15. Kansas City Chiefs: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland - A workout warrior who would help sho

squabble
02-13-2005, 07:18 AM
Here is the newest ESPN's Scouts' mock draft, it's from the 11th of Feb.

1. San Francisco 49ers (2-14) - Aaron Rodgers | QB | California

2. Miami Dolphins (4-12) - Ronnie Brown | RB | Auburn

3. Cleveland Browns (4-12) - Adam Jones | DC | West Virginia

4. Chicago Bears (5-11) - Braylon Edwards | WR | Michigan

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (5-11) - Carnell Williams | RB | Auburn

6. Tennessee Titans (5-11) - Antrel Rolle | DC | Miami-FL

7. Oakland Raiders (5-11) - Cedric Benson | RB | Texas

8. Arizona Cardinals (6-10) - Alex Smith | QB | Utah

9. Washington Redskins (6-10) - Mike Williams | WR | Southern Cal

10. Detroit Lions (6-10) - Heath Miller | TE | Virginia

11. Dallas Cowboys (6-10) - Shawne Merriman | OLB/DE | Maryland

12. San Diego Chargers (12-4) - Troy Williamson | WR | South Carolina

13. Houston Texans (7-9) - Derrick Johnson | OLB | Texas

14. Carolina Panthers (7-9) - Alex Barron | OT | Florida State

15. Kansas City Chiefs (7-9) - Eramus James | DE | Wisconsin

16. New Orleans Saints (8-8) - Thomas Davis | DS | Georgia

17. Cincinnati Bengals (8-8) - Travis Johnson | DT | Florida State

18. Minnesota Vikings (8-8) - Shaun Cody | DE | USC

19. St. Louis Rams (8-8) - Dan Cody | DE | Oklahoma

20. Dallas Cowboys (6-10) - Carlos Rogers | DC | Auburn

21. Jacksonville Jaguars (9-7) - David Pollack | DE | Georgia

22. Baltimore Ravens (9-7) - Mark Clayton | WR | Oklahoma

23. Seattle Seahawks (9-7) - Matt Roth | DE | Iowa

24. Green Bay Packers (10-6) - Channing Crowder | ILB | Florida

25. Denver Broncos (10-6) - Marcus Spears | DE | LSU

26. New York Jets (10-6) - Brandon Browner | DC | Oregon State

27. Atlanta Falcons (11-5) - Roddy White | WR | Alabama-Birmingham

28. San Diego Chargers (12-4) - Daryl Blackstock | OLB | Virginia

29. Indianapolis Colts (12-4) - Justin Miller | DC | Clemson

30. Pittsburgh Steelers (15-1) - Bryant Mcfadden | DC | Florida State

31. Philadelphia Eagles (13-3) - Anttaj Hawthorne | DT | Wisconsin

32. New England Patriots (14-2) - Jammal Brown | OT | Oklahoma

wikimama
02-13-2005, 10:44 AM
no way do they pass on Alex Barron or Darrick Johnson for Troy Williamason

BreesLightning
02-13-2005, 10:53 AM
agree with wikimama.

isaic16
02-13-2005, 07:54 PM
I can see them passing on Barron, he's got some problems. But I agree, you can't pass on Johnson in this situation.

drangus
02-13-2005, 11:22 PM
why would jammal brown drop out of the top fifteen these guys don't know what they are talking about. no way san diego lets him slide past 28

IgorUnchained
02-13-2005, 11:29 PM
There are some whack mocks out there...but it is looking more and more likely that we get a WR in the first round.

squabble
02-14-2005, 03:10 AM
They will change their stances numerous times before the actual draft, some of the choices on both of those mocks seem ridiculously wide of the mark.

smlman2
02-14-2005, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by: wikimama
no way do they pass on Alex Barron or Darrick Johnson for Troy Williamason

i dont see how san fran can pass on johnson. him and peterson. let dorsey try this year and mybe young will leave next year and if they are bad again they can get him. i dont think there is a QB worth top 5 maybe even top 10 but they will be taken because teams ned them.

urlacher54
02-14-2005, 06:11 PM
LOL TROY williamson over thomas davis and Derrick johnson, man these scouts are retarded

conair103
02-15-2005, 10:06 PM
no doubt...i was thinkin...williamson must be really impressing everyone

innersoulevents
02-16-2005, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by: pedro
why would jammal brown drop out of the top fifteen these guys don't know what they are talking about. no way san diego lets him slide past 28

I guarantee Jammal Brown will not be in the top 15.
His stock has been dropping bigtime. Did you watch the USC vs Oklahoma game?
He was very unimpressive
i agree with the mock as far as him, i see him going late first round

FutureGM
02-17-2005, 02:54 PM
I like Jammal Brown he won the outland trophy. The draft will really depend on what we do in March. What do charger fans think of Chris Hovan and possibly putting him in at DE instead of Adrian Dingleberry and Cesaire. I think that woulkd be a mean three man fornt.

JoeMcRugby
02-17-2005, 03:21 PM
Chris Hovan has been terrible for the last two seasons. No thanks. Get a DE/DT in the draft and/or a far better performer than Hovan in free agency.

guimcharger
02-17-2005, 05:49 PM
Hovan stinks but even if we did want him I think that he is going to the cards to reunite with Dennis Green.

phicart
02-17-2005, 08:12 PM
The only way we take an OT with the first pick is if Mauck's agent held a gun to AJ's head and had it put into the contract. Our first pick will be Edwards or Williams...unless both Washington and Chicago are stupid enough to pass on either them and that ain't likely. I see us backing up DE with that pick as we only have three on the depth chart now (Scott's a 4-3 end...not a 3-4 end). I also wouldn't fall out of my chair with a trade down.

guimcharger
02-17-2005, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by: phicart
The only way we take an OT with the first pick is if Mauck's agent held a gun to AJ's head and had it put into the contract. Our first pick will be Edwards or Williams...unless both Washington and Chicago are stupid enough to pass on either them and that ain't likely. I see us backing up DE with that pick as we only have three on the depth chart now (Scott's a 4-3 end...not a 3-4 end). I also wouldn't fall out of my chair with a trade down.

Acually Scott was a 4-3 DT not DE.

phicart
02-18-2005, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by: guimcharger

Originally posted by: phicart
The only way we take an OT with the first pick is if Mauck's agent held a gun to AJ's head and had it put into the contract. Our first pick will be Edwards or Williams...unless both Washington and Chicago are stupid enough to pass on either them and that ain't likely. I see us backing up DE with that pick as we only have three on the depth chart now (Scott's a 4-3 end...not a 3-4 end). I also wouldn't fall out of my chair with a trade down.

Acually Scott was a 4-3 DT not DE.

My bad for not being clear...I was referring to his potential as a defensive end rather than what he has been. The point I was trying to make was that I see him having more success at end in a 4-3 than a 3-4 if end is the only position you have in which to play him. He came on board as a DT when we were in a 4-3 and has hit RFA as a DE in our 3-4. Did he show you enough to want to offer him a new contract at minimum remembering he came in as a rookie free agent?

boltzpride
03-07-2005, 01:15 PM
. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws. The Niners likely won't get a good enough deal to move down because there is not a particular player creating a buzz as the surefire No. 1 prospect, but getting Smith would be a good start toward revamping a struggling offense.


2. Miami Dolphins: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Brown is the top running back available after his outstanding combine workout. He showed impressive speed for a 230-pounder, he can catch the ball out of the backfield and also has excellent instincts and quickness, something new Dolphins coach Nick Saban knows all about having coached against Brown in the SEC while at LSU.


3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he put height questions to rest at the combine. Rodgers is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.




It takes more than one arm tackle to bring down Cedric Benson.4. Chicago Bears: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
The Bears addressed their need for a big-time wideout with the free agent signing of Muhsin Muhammad and Benson would give quarterback Rex Grossman two topflight weapons to help out on offense. Benson is a tough, productive runner who can go the distance and always showed up in his team's biggest games.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Williams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years, and Tampa coach Jon Gruden is very familiar with him after coaching Williams in the Senior Bowl.


6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones (jr.), CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs. Jones also fills a major need after hits in free agency.


7. Minnesota Vikings (from OAK): Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards' size, strength, speed and overall athleticism would go a long way toward filling the void left by the trade of Randy Moss, which is how the Vikings acquired the selection in the first place. Minnesota also has needs on defense but can address them later in the first round.


8. Arizona Cardinals: Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
The best pure linebacker in the draft, Johnson has sideline-to-sideline speed and is always around the ball. His consistency would be welcome on a defense looking for playmakers.


9. Washington Redskins: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams has the size and strength to dominate corners with his 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame. He must answer questions about his speed, but beyond that his hands, body control and natural receiving skills make him a very attractive package for a team that needs to help quarterback Patrick Ramsey.


10. Detroit Lions: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
The Lions need their front seven to get more pressure on the quarterback and Cody would help with his fiery attitude and relentless motor. He stepped up in big games and was one of the most consistent performers on a defense full of stars.


11. Dallas Cowboys: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior with incredible physical skills, Merriman would be an ideal end/linebacker combo in a 3-4 scheme. He fits the mold of Patriots linebacker Willie McGinest, who was the first draft pick of Cowboys coach Bill Parcells when Parcells began his tenure in New England.


12. San Diego Chargers: Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
The Chargers need m

JohnFord
03-07-2005, 11:04 PM
My dream draft would be we get Derrick Johnson and Shaun Cody.

At LB you can bring Godfrey or Phillips in as situational guys. Very deep linebacking corps with Johnson, a player for every situation. On the line, that looks pretty good too. Could be a top five defense with that.

And like I recommended in another thread, go get Surtain via trade. That would be a defense that could carry us all the way, even with Marty's bad decisions in playoff games.

squabble
03-08-2005, 01:28 AM
Kiper's top 25 (from ESPN Insider)

The combine has offered up a new leader on my Big Board of the top 25 NFL prospects: Auburn running back Ronnie Brown, who showed more speed in Indianapolis than most expected. He supplants Texas running back Cedric Benson, while Michigan wide receiver Braylon Edwards holds steady at No. 2 and USC wide receiver Mike Williams is back in the top three after occupying the top spot for a majority of the regular season. Wide receiver Roddy White of UAB makes the biggest jump this week, going from No. 18 to No. 12 on the heels of a good combine showing, while tight end Heath Miller of Virginia fell from No. 11 to No. 19 thanks to injury concerns. The board also features one newcomer this week, Nebraska junior cornerback Fabian Washington, a terrific all-around athlete who ran one of the fastest 40s ever recorded at the Combine. Washington's appearance on the list means 19 schools are now represented on the Big Board, including three Auburn players (two of the top eight) and two apiece for Florida State, Oklahoma, Texas and USC.

1. Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn (6-foot-0, 230 pounds) | previous rank: 3 - Had an outstanding workout at the combine, running the 40 in 4.48 while weighing around 230, which only adds to the already impressive profile Brown has. He showed against several opponents in 2004 that he is one of the most complete backs in the nation, running and catching the ball with equal skill. He averaged over six yards per carry this season and had 34 catches. Brown has the size, instincts, power and quickness to put up unbelievable numbers and would have been a Heisman candidate had he been the clear-cut No. 1 on the depth chart. An explosive powerhouse with speed and strength.

2. Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan (6-2, 210) | previous rank: same - Edwards has been steadily moving up based on a tremendous overall season in 2004, when he took over games and showed off his unbelievable athletic skills. He has the size, athleticism and overall pass-catching skills to dominate cornerbacks and corrected the problems he had with concentration lapses and dropped balls. He's the top wideout on the draft board but is getting pressure from below.

3. Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC (6-5, 230 pounds) | previous rank: 8 - Williams dominated the collegiate game for two full years before his bid to join the NFL draft as a sophomore was ended by the courts and he was declared ineligible by the NCAA. Williams is eligible for the 2005 draft, though, and after keeping his weight near 230 and performing adequately at the combine (4.56 in the 40), he is right on the heels of Edwards in the race to become the top wideout in the draft. Williams likely would have been a top-10 pick last season and should be among the top 5-7 this year. His size, strength and toughness make him a tremendous package who can use his body control and hands to go after the ball over smaller defenders. His two-year totals at USC: 176 receptions, 2,579 yards and 30 TDs.

4. Cedric Benson, RB, Texas (5-10, 222) | previous rank: 1 - Benson is a strong, tough runner who was incredibly productive in his four years in Austin. He rushed for 1,000 yards in each season, and his ability to block and catch the ball makes him a complete back. Benson has tremendous vision and quick feet, and thanks to his powerful lower body, the first tackler rarely brings him down. He is not flashy but put up big numbers against top competition. Benson moves off the top spot only because he has yet to work out and show he has athletic ability to match Ronnie Brown's.

5. Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah (6-3, 207) | previous rank: 4 - A mobile quarterback who rushed for 631 yards and 10 touchdowns, Smith is also a very efficient passer who completed 68 percent of his attempts with 32 TDs against only four interceptions. He is tremendously intelligent and will pick up an offensive system quickly at the next level. The one knock is that he's somewhat of a finesse passer who did not have to muscle a lot of throws into tight spots

squabble
04-20-2005, 08:40 PM
ESPN Insider's Complete Seven-Round Mock Draft - This is going to be a very long post!

Round 1
1. San Francisco 49ers (2-14) - Alex Smith* | QB | Utah - There isn't a lot that separates Aaron Rodgers from Smith. There are concerns about the schemes in which both prospects played at the college level. Rodgers has the better arm, but Smith has the bigger frame. What it all comes down to, though, is that new head coach Mike Nolan seems to have fallen in love with Smith's intelligence, charisma and overall intangibles and who can blame him. The 49ers haven't made a final decision yet, but we are getting the strong sense that Smith will be their final choice. They will work hard to have a deal in place by Saturday, but contrary to popular belief, we're hearing the team will consider drafting him even if he's unsigned. Stay tuned.
Other scenarios:
The 49ers are still trying to get a deal done for Smith, but his agent, Tom Condon, who also did the deal last year for Eli Manning (Giants), is understandably not budging. He wants the deal for Smith to follow traditional slotting procedure, which means he's looking for at least a small percentage more than what Manning got from the Giants. Due to the 49ers concern that they won't get a deal done for Smith, they've also contacted several teams about a trade-down possibility. The most likely scenario is with the Buccaneers at No. 5. That would allow them to acquire extra picks and still get a future starting QB in Rodgers with the fifth selection.
If they can't get a deal done with Smith and can't trade down, Rodgers or WR Braylon Edwards become possibilities.

2. Miami Dolphins (4-12) - Ronnie Brown | RB | Auburn - New head coach Nick Saban and his staff have addressed needs along the offensive line and throughout the defense via free agency. The team also has decided QB A.J. Feeley is the starter for at least one year, in which he will be evaluated within the new scheme. That leaves running back as the top need, and Brown as the most deserving candidate. Cedric Benson (Texas) might be the more powerful runner, and Carnell Williams (Auburn) might be the most elusive, but Brown is the best overall running back in this year's draft. Brown is big, strong and fast enough to carry a heavy load in the NFL, and he also possesses considerably better skills in the passing game blocker and receiver than those of Benson and Williams.
Other scenarios:
Trade down with Buccaneers and still get a running back such as Auburn's Williams.
Trade down with Vikings and address the defense OLB Derrick Johnson (Texas) and DC Antrel Rolle are leading candidates.
Draft QB Alex Smith if he doesn't go to the 49ers at No. 1.

3. Cleveland Browns (4-12) - Braylon Edwards | WR | Michigan - The top prospect on the Browns' board evidently is Edwards. Even though they have greater needs at offensive tackle and quarterback, new general manager Phil Savage isn't going to stray from his draft philosophy of selecting the best available player, regardless of position. Edwards has an outstanding combination of size and speed, and he's a flat-out playmaker when the ball is up for grabs. His ability to stretch defenses could make up for a lot of other sins along the offensive line and at the quarterback position.
Other scenarios:
The Browns' draft board starts with Smith and Edwards.
If both are gone by No. 3, the Browns will desperately try to trade down.
If they do trade down, the team is rumored to have heavy interest in Texas OLB Derrick Johnson and Georgia DE David Pollack. Reportedly, new head coach Romeo Crennel is pushing for Johnson at No. 3, but Savage thinks that's too high.
If Smith and Edwards are gone and the Browns can't get a deal done to move down, Johnson is the odds-on favorite to be the pick.
If the Browns trade down and Johnson is off the board, Pollack becomes the odds-on favorite.
If the Browns trade down and Johnson and Pollack both are off the board, Florida State OT Alex Barron would have to become the priority.

4. Chicago Bears (5-11) - Cedric Benson | RB | Texas - The Bears have enough young talent on defense, but they desperately need more playmakers on offense. If they wind up keeping this pick, they'll likely have a difficult decision to make between Benson, RB Carnell Williams and WR Mike Williams. Mike Williams fits the value, but he might not give the Bears the vertical presence they're looking for opposite free-agent acquisition Muhsin Muhammad. While Carnell Williams ranks higher on most draft boards, Benson is the better fit for new offensive coordinator Ron Turner's power running scheme. The team brought in Thomas Jones a year ago when Terry Shea was implementing more of a Rams- and Chiefs-like scheme, which emphasized versatility at the running back position. Now that the focus has shifted, Benson becomes a much better fit than Jones as a 25-30 carry-per-game "bell cow" at the running back position.
Other scenarios:
If Auburn RB Ronnie Brown fell to No. 4, he most likely would be the pick.
We're told the team rates Benson over Carnell Williams and Mike Williams over Edwards.
If Benson and Mike Williams are both on the board, the Bears would have a tough decision, but we think they are leaning toward Benson. The team also will consider moving down, but the deal would have to be sweet. No matter where they wind up, drafting a playmaker at running back, wide receiver or tight end is a high priority.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (5-11) - Carnell Williams | RB | Auburn - The Buccaneers could go in several directions with this pick, including RB, OT, OG, QB, WR, DT or DB. If Rodgers is available here, the decision will be much harder. Williams still needs to improve as a blocker, but he's the shiftiest and most elusive of the big three RBs (Brown and Benson), and he has the hands to become a legitimate weapon as a receiver out of the backfield. It also won't hurt Williams' chances that Gruden fell in love with him while coaching him at the Senior Bowl.
Other scenarios:
Get a reasonable deal done in order to secure QB Smith. At this point, it seems it would require trading up to the No. 1 spot, and that is a highly unlikely scenario.
Trade up to the No. 2 overall pick and select RB Brown.
Stay at No. 5 and take the best available running back in the following order: Brown, Williams or Benson.
Stay at No. 5 and take the best available wide receiver: Edwards or Williams.
Stay at No. 5 and draft QB Rodgers.
Trade down, acquire even more picks and take the best available RB or WR.
Stay at No. 5 and draft a defensive player OLB Johnson and DC Rolle are leading candidates.

6. Tennessee Titans (5-11) - Aaron Rodgers* | QB | California - This one obviously comes as a surprise, but don't rule it out. If our information is correct and Smith becomes the top overall choice, Rodgers could experience a slide. The Bucs are a possibility at No. 5, but we hear they have their hearts set on the Cadillac Williams if Smith is out of the picture. The Titans obviously are set at QB for 2005 with Steve McNair as their starter, and they also have depth with Billy Volek as his backup. But if Rodgers slips to them at No. 6, don't be shocked if they pull the trigger. McNair's longevity is in question, and Rodgers eventually could provide an upgrade over Volek. For a team clearly in rebuilding mode, drafting the best available player is the smartest route to take.
Other scenarios:
Select WR Mike Williams.
Select DC Antrel Rolle.
Select DC Adam Jones.
Trade down, continue to stockpile draft picks and consider the best prospects at WR (Troy Williamson and Mark Clayton), CB (Carlos Rogers and Marlin Jackson) and OT (Alex Barron and Jammal Brown).

7. Minnesota Vikings (from Raiders) (8-8) - Troy Williamson* | WR | South Carolina - The Vikings have few needs to address, and thanks to the Randy Moss trade can really focus in on them with two first-round picks. This projected pick might come as a surprise with Mike Williams still on the board, but the Vikings are looking for a vertical threat, and Williamson gives them more deep speed than Williams. Williamson is a player on the rise after running in the 4.3s at the combine. He has the size, long arms, hands and explosive speed to quickly develop into a deep threat in the NFL, and he could eventually team up with Nate Burleson and Travis Taylor to form an impressive young trio of wide receivers.
Other scenarios:
RB Ronnie Brown is rated ahead of Williamson and Mike Williams, so in the unlikely scenario that he fell, the Vikings would draft Brown, despite their log-jam at running back.
If they get a reasonable deal, they could move into the top five and select WR Edwards, who they rate as the No. 1 WR in this class.
Stay at No. 7 and select WR Mike Williams.

squabble
04-20-2005, 08:40 PM
8. Arizona Cardinals (6-10) - Derrick Johnson | OLB | Texas - We still contend the Cardinals and Bills will get a trade done with Buffalo, dealing OT L.J. Shelton for RB Travis Henry, before or on draft day. Bills general manager Tom Donahoe's request to flip-flop second round picks (Nos. 44 and 55) in addition should be matched. For the Cardinals, the thought process is to address one of their biggest needs with Henry taking over as the starting running back, while also giving them the freedom to draft the best available defensive player at pick No. 8. While cornerback is clearly their biggest defensive need, don't be shocked if Johnson is the pick. The depth at the cornerback class is much greater than at linebacker, and the team could use an elite player in the linebacker corps after making Ronald McKinnon, LeVar Woods and Ray Thompson salary-cap casualties in the offseason. Johnson still needs to become more physical and learn to take on blocks, but he has Derrick Brooks-like potential and immediately would upgrade the athleticism and playmaking skills of the Cardinals' defense.
Other scenarios:
If the Cardinals get a deal done for Henry, they have the luxury of drafting Johnson because they can still draft a quality prospect from a deep cornerback position in the second round.
If they get Henry and wind up drafting Rolle at No. 8, the team would continue to address the defense in the second round.
If they don't get a deal done for a running back, the team would draft its highest-rated prospect at the running back and cornerback positions RB Brown, DC Rolle, RB Benson, RB Carnell Williams, DC Carlos Rogers and DC Jones.
If that's the case, the team would use its second-round pick on the position that it didn't address in the first round.
If QB Rodgers slips to the Cardinals at No. 8, they would debate all possible options but would likely pass on him in favor of a defensive player or running back.

9. Washington Redskins (6-10) - Mike Williams* | WR | USC - Everyone is talking about DC and DL for the Redskins, but we're starting to hear otherwise. The 'Skins are looking for playmakers on offense, and Williams could be the perfect fit as a big, physical receiver opposite the diminutive Santana Moss. Williams doesn't have elite speed, but he's faster than Keyshawn Johnson, and he projects as much more of a vertical weapon than Johnson has been in the NFL.
Other scenarios:
It seems likely the Redskins will trade their newly acquired pick at No. 25 for a veteran defensive back. If that's the case, the team likely will use this selection on a wide receiver. Williamson is another viable option if he's available and Williams is gone.
If no trade is in place, the team could draft the best available cornerback with this pick, in this order: Rolle, Jones or Rogers.
Depending on the draft board and the potential trade for a veteran player, an impact pass rusher also is a possibility. Maryland's Shawne Merriman, Troy's Demarcus Ware, Wisconsin's Erasmus James and Georgia's David Pollack are the top candidates.

10. Detroit Lions (6-10) - Antrel Rolle | DC | Miami-Fla. - The Lions are in a great position with this pick. They certainly have bigger needs at right tackle and defensive end, but if a value like Rolle slips to them at No. 10 they'd be crazy not to capitalize. After all, Dre Bly and Fernando Bryant are both undersized cornerbacks in their late 20's. Adding a big, physical, young cornerback would give the unit great depth now and eventually would allow Bly or Ferguson to move inside to the slot, where both seem better suited. Rolle has the instincts, toughness and athletic ability to quickly become a solid starter in the NFL. His biggest obstacle in solidifying a potential spot in the top-10 was proving he was fast enough to turn and run with NFL receivers. His 4.49 40 at his pro-timing day eased those worries.
Other scenarios:
The Lions can simply sit tight at No. 10 and draft the best available prospect.
Select OLB Johnson.
Select OT Barron.
Select a top pass rushing DE. From what we are hearing, it would be in this order: James, Merriman and Ware.

11. Dallas Cowboys (6-10) - Demarcus Ware | DE | Troy - The Cowboys have been busy in free agency, addressing needs at defensive tackle (Jason Ferguson), quarterback (Drew Bledsoe) and cornerback (Anthony Henry). However, they still are in pursuit of upgrades at WR, offensive line (ROT) and OLB/DE. Ware's draft stock is skyrocketing after his impressive showing at the combine, and we think he's exactly the type of player coach Bill Parcells is looking for as the defense transitions from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Ware is a hybrid DE/OLB with explosive speed and loads of pass-rushing potential.
Other scenarios:
Select DE/OLB Merriman.
Select DE James.
Select WR Williamson if he falls and if the pass rusher the team covets most is off the board.

12. San Diego Chargers (12-4) - Marcus Spears | DE | LSU - The Chargers were tied for the third-fewest sacks in the league (29) in 2004, which helps explain why they need to use one of their two first-round picks on a pass rusher. A rush linebacker is a possibility, but Spears is a better fit, as he is a 'tweener DE/DT who could really provide an upgrade over starter Jacques Cesaire at the LDE position opposite last year's second-round pick, Igor Olshansky.
Other scenarios:
Select WR Williams or Williamson, if one should happen to fall.
Select the best available perimeter pass rusher: Merriman, James, Ware and Pollack.

13. Houston Texans (7-9) - Shawne Merriman* | OLB/DE | Maryland - The Texans drafted Jason Babin in the first round last year, but they need to find a legitimate pass rusher opposite him in their 3-4 scheme. Merriman has the speed, athleticism and instincts to immediately upgrade the Texans in that facet, which would allow them to move Kailee Wong to his natural position at inside linebacker.
Other scenarios:
Select WR Troy Williamson if he falls.
Choose between the best available perimeter pass rushers if Merriman is off the board: Ware, Pollack and James.
If the right perimeter pass rusher isn't available, DE Spears (if he is available).
Select OT Barron, if necessary.

14. Carolina Panthers (7-9) - Alex Barron | OT | Florida State - Barron could experience a bit of a slide on draft day because of his inconsistent effort and poor technique. But it would be difficult to imagine him slipping past the Panther's at No. 14. Barron needs to become more physical, but he is clearly the most naturally gifted offensive lineman in this draft. Barron has the size, strength and feet to develop into a starting right or left tackle in the NFL. If the Panthers were fortunate enough for Barron to fall to them here, he would solidify their offensive line. Mike Wahle could move back inside to his natural guard position, and Jordan Gross could remain at left tackle.
Other scenarios:
OLB Johnson, if he falls.
WR Troy Williamson, if he falls.
RB's Benson or Carnell Williams, if one of the two falls.
QB Rodgers, if he falls.
If all else fails, Oklahoma OT Jammal Brown would be the pick.

15. Kansas City Chiefs (7-9) - Carlos Rogers | DC | Auburn - Rogers has good size and speed. Most importantly, he is a physical cover corner with the athletic ability and confidence to play both man-to-man and zone coverage in the NFL. He'd be a perfect fit in coordinator Gunther Cunningham's aggressive defensive scheme.
Other scenarios:
The team would love for OLB Johnson to slip, but that's highly unlikely, and the Chiefs won't trade up for him.
From what we're now hearing, the Chiefs have no intention of drafting a defensive lineman with this pick. It will either be a cornerback or a safety regardless of whether or not they get a deal done with the Dolphins for Patrick Surtain.
If Rolle and Rogers are off the board, the team would consider DC Jones.
The other option would be DS Thomas Davis with this pick, or trading down to the bottom of the round for FS Brodney Pool.

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16. New Orleans Saints (8-8) - Adam Jones | DC | West Virginia - The team has a bigger need at linebacker, but Jones would be too good a value to pass up this late in the first round. Jones could slip due to size concerns, but we think he has the speed, toughness and confidence to develop into a shutdown cover corner in the NFL, and he's also an explosive return man.
Other scenarios:
The Saints failed to land the prospects they wanted in first round of the last two drafts ( DT Dewayne Robertson in 2003 and LBs Jonathan Vilma and D.J. Williams in 2004), so a more aggressive approach might be in order this year. The problem is there won't be good values at the team's two biggest positions of need LB and ROT. One option could be to move up in order to secure a prospect such as Texas OLB Derrick Johnson or FSU OT Alex Barron, but the team has just one pick in each of the seven rounds to work with.
Selecting DS/WLB Thomas Davis is a possibility, in which case the team likely would move Davis to WLB.
Other possibilities include: DC Rogers, OT Brown and Florida State DT Travis Johnson.

17. Cincinnati Bengals (8-8) - Erasmus James | DE | Wisconsin - If the Bengals can't bail from this pick, they'll simply use it to draft the best available player. In this scenario, James fits the description. James' less-than-impressive workout at the combine and his history of injuries might cause him to slip a little bit on draft day. He is still, however, one of the best pass-rushing DE prospects in this class, and he'd help take a lot of attention away from RDE Justin Smith. He would be considered a good find at pick No. 17.
Other scenarios:
Trade down, acquire extra picks and focus on the following positions of need later in the draft where there is better value: ILB, OC, WR, DL and OL.
Select the best available DE possibly Pollack.
Select a sliding cornerback possibly Jones
Select DS Thomas Davis.
Select WR Clayton.
Select OT Brown.
Select DT Johnson.

18. Minnesota Vikings (8-8) - David Pollack | DE | Georgia - Pollack might lack ideal size and top-end speed, but he has the quickness, power and playmaking instincts to contribute immediately in the NFL. The Vikings would be elated to walk away from the first round having found a vertical threat at wide receiver (Williamson at No. 7) and a pass-rushing upgrade opposite last year's first-round pick, Kenechi Udeze.
Other scenarios:
If they don't get a WR with their first selection (No. 7), the Vikings could select Oklahoma's Mark Clayton here.
DS Davis is a strong possibility if they get a WR with their first pick and if the right fit at DE doesn't fall to them here.
Other DEs who could be available include James and Oklahoma's Dan Cody.

19. St. Louis Rams (8-8) - Jammal Brown | OT | Oklahoma - The Rams could use an upgrade at defensive end, but finding a replacement for ROT Kyle Turley is a significantly bigger issue. Brown needs to become more physical, but he has the size and feet to develop into a solid starter in the NFL. He also has enough experience at the highest collegiate level to possibly step right in as a starter in 2005.
Other scenarios:
Select the best DE on the board, potentially James, Pollack or Cody.
Select the only other possible first-round OT: Washington's Khalif Barnes.
Select Oklahoma FS Brodney Pool.

20. Dallas Cowboys (6-10) - Thomas Davis* | S | Georgia - The Cowboys are rumored to have interest in trading out of this pick in order to acquire more day one selections. Drafting a vertical receiver such as UAB's Roddy White also isn't out of the question. However, if they do stay put, the focus likely will remain on the defensive side of the ball, where coach Bill Parcells wants to get bigger and more physical. Davis is a good value late in the first round and is definitely a Parcells kind of player. Some teams consider Davis a weak-side linebacker, while others consider him a safety. The Cowboys have needs at both spots and could use Davis to plug one of them.
Other scenarios:
Trade down and acquire an extra pick, ideally on day one to make up for the third-round pick used on QB Drew Henson.
Select the best available WR Clayton or UAB's Roddy White.
Select OT Brown.
Select OT Barnes.
Select FS Pool.

21. Jacksonville Jaguars (9-7) - Marlin Jackson | DC | Michigan - The Jaguars addressed their most glaring need (DE) with the free-agency additions of Reggie Hayward and Marcellus Wiley. While the team still could use a day-one pick on an end who eventually could take over for Wiley, finding upgrades at cornerback and offensive tackle are greater priorities. After cutting DC's Dewayne Washington and Juran Bolden, it would be a surprise if the team didn't draft the best available cornerback at No. 21. Jackson doesn't have blazing speed but he's an excellent athlete with the size, toughness and confidence to quickly develop into a starter in the NFL.
Other scenarios:
Select the best available OT Brown or Barnes.
Select the next best available DC Nebraska's Fabien Washington or Clemson's Justin Miller.
Select the best available DE Cody or Iowa's Matt Roth.

22. Baltimore Ravens (9-7) - Mark Clayton | WR | Oklahoma - By adding WR Derrick Mason and DC Samari Rolle via free agency, the Ravens have given themselves a lot of draft-day flexibility. However, with Travis Taylor gone, the team still needs WR depth, and Clayton would be a great value at No. 22. He lacks elite size but has everything else scouts look for in a first-round wide receiver prospect, including quickness, speed and reliable hands. He might be the most polished receiver prospect in this year's draft.
Other scenarios:
Select OT Brown, if available.
Select the best available rush linebacker type possibly Pollack, James, Cody or even Virginia OLB Darryl Blackstock.
Select DT Johnson.
Next best available prospect, regardless of position.

23. Seattle Seahawks (9-7) - Dan Cody | DE | Oklahoma - By adding DC Kelly Herndon, DE Bryce Fisher and OLB Jamie Sharper via free agency, the team has covered its bases and given itself some freedom to draft the best available player with this pick. Seattle still would like to get younger at all three of those positions, and Cody would be the best match in terms value and need. There are some concerns regarding Cody's medical condition (depression) that could result in him slipping this far, but he would be well worth the risk at No. 23. Cody has the athleticism, speed and instincts to step in as a rookie and immediately make an impact as a pass rusher.
Other scenarios:
Could make a deal to trade RB Shaun Alexander.
Have 10 total picks, so they can move up a few spots if they target a player they want particularly at LB, DE or DC.
Select the best available DE possibly Cody or Roth.
Select the best available DC possibly Jackson, Washington or Miller.
Select the best available DT Johnson or USC's Shaun Cody.
Select OLB Blackstock.

24. Green Bay Packers (10-6) - Travis Johnson | DT | Florida State - Johnson could slip due to a crass attitude and some character issues. But at pick No. 24, he would be a steal for the Packers. After struggling through some off-field issues that affected his play early in his career at FSU, Johnson had a breakout season as a fulltime starter in 2004. In our opinion, he's the best defensive tackle in this year's draft class, and he has a chance to make a huge impact early in his NFL career. He's a one-gap penetrating DT with enough bulk and strength to hold the point of attack. The Packers would like to find a legitimate pass rusher opposite Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, but in this scenario there isn't one left to draft. By adding Johnson, the team would upgrade the size and depth of its interior run defense, which is just as big a concern.
Other scenarios:
Trade down and accumulate picks, which is GM Ted Thompson's preferred method.
Select DS Davis.
Select the best available DE -- possibly Cody or Roth.
Select FS Pool.
Select QB's Jason Campbell (Auburn) or Charlie Frye (Akron).
Select Blackstock or Tennessee OLB Kevin Burnett.

25. Washington Redskins (from Denver) (6-10) - Fabian Washington* | DC | Nebraska - It made sense for Denver to trade out of this spot, because they still can get a good CB in the second round and they pick up an extra third-round pick this year, as well as Washington's first- and fourth-round picks in 2006. But for the Redskins, you don't make a trade for the 25th pick without an idea of what prospects will be available, and there's no way to know that three days before the draft. In our opinion, this move hints at a second deal in play for a veteran CB such as Charles Woodson, Darren Howard or John Abraham. If, however, the Redskins do hang on to this pick, their decision likely will come down to the best available DE or CB. In this scenario, Nebraska's Washington would be the pick. No player improved his stock at the combine more than Washington, who ran one of the fastest 40-yard dash times (4.25) in the history of the event. Washington doesn't have great size, but he is tough and has the athleticism, speed and ball skills the Redskins are searching for in Fred Smoot's eventual replacement.
Other scenarios:
Trade this pick for a veteran CB (possibly Woodson) or DE (possibly Howard or Abraham).
If the team takes a WR at No. 9, use this pick at CB (possibly Miller, if not Washington) or DE (possibly Cody or Roth).
If they don't get a WR at No. 9 pick, they could use this pick on WR White.
Washington also could consider Virginia TE Heath Miller.
We're not buying the talk of Washington moving up to target Auburn QB Jason Campbell. One, why would coach Joe Gibbs want a developmental QB at this point in his career? Two, why leak word now that you want Campbell and give any other team who likes him the chance to move ahead of you?

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26. New York Jets (10-6) - Heath Miller* | TE | Virginia - The Jets' most glaring weakness on either side of the ball is at cornerback, but their second biggest need is at tight end after Anthony Becht fled to Tampa Bay. Furthermore, Miller is a much better value than any cornerback the Jets could get with this pick. Miller lacks Todd Heap and Tony Gonzalez-type speed, but he's just a notch below the elite in terms of playmaking ability. He has very good size, is a smooth athlete, has a terrific feel for the passing game and might have the best hands of any skill-position player in this draft. There are some concerns right now about a lingering sports hernia injury that kept him from working out at the combine, but we think he would be a steal this late in the first round.
Other scenarios:
Select the best available DC possibly Jackson, Washington or Miller.

27. Atlanta Falcons (11-5) - Shaun Cody | DE | USC - Cody is a 'tweener DE/DT who would be a perfect fit as a one-gap penetrating DT, which is exactly what the Falcons are looking for in their scheme. The team has a solid starter in Rod Coleman and a good swing-man in Chad Lavalais, but it needs to find a true starter now that Ed Jasper is gone. Cody has the potential to fill that void.
Other scenarios:
Trade out, acquire extra Day 1 picks to address needs at DT, DS, WR, DC and DE.
Select the best available DT possibly Johnson or Cody.
Select the best available DS possibly Pool.
Select the best available WR possibly White.
Select the best available DC possibly Washington or Miller.
Select the best available DE possibly Cody or Roth.

28. San Diego Chargers (12-4) - Roddy White | WR | Alabama-Birmingham - White left the Senior Bowl early with a hamstring injury, but he proved during the first couple days of practice that he has the speed and vertical playmaking capability to warrant first-round attention. He doesn't have elite size, but White has the speed to draw attention away from Keenan McCardell and oft-injured Reche Caldwell, which is something the Chargers desperately lack on their roster right now.
Other scenarios:
If they don't get a DE with pick No. 12 and a perimeter pass-rusher like James or Cody slips, either would be a possibility here.
Select FS Pool.

29. Indianapolis Colts (12-4) - Matt Roth | DE | Iowa - Roth is a high-motor player with great instincts, good power and better athleticism than he gets credit for. He would help to take attention away from RDE Dwight Freeney, while providing a certain level of toughness that is missing in the team's defensive front-seven. The Colts have a bigger need at inside linebacker, but character issues should prevent them from taking a chance on the top two players at that position Georgia's Odell Thurman and Florida's Channing Crowder. Other scenarios:
Select DT Johnson or DT Cody, if one falls.
Select the best available DC possibly Washington or Miller.
Trade down, if they can get more picks, and still see value at DL, LB and/or DC early in the second round.
Take a chance on an ILB such as Florida's Crowder or Georgia's Thurman, both of whom have character alerts.

30. Pittsburgh Steelers (15-1) - Khalif Barnes | OT | Washington - Barnes had a huge postseason, as he wowed NFL brass both at the Senior Bowl and the combine. He clearly has the athleticism and size to develop into an above-average starter at the next level. All he needs is good coaching and motivation. He's certainly worth the risk late in the first round for a Steelers team that will be looking for the best player available at offensive tackle, tight end, defensive tackle or cornerback.
Other scenarios:
Select TE Miller, if he's available.
Select a 3-4 DE, such as Cody if he slips.
Select OT Barnes if he slips.
Select the best available DC possibly Washington or Miller.
Reach for Arkansas WR/TE Matt Jones.
Reach for an OL such as Ole Miss' Marcus Johnson or Michigan's David Baas.

31. Philadelphia Eagles (13-3) - Brodney Pool | S | Oklahoma - After re-signing DT Corey Simon and MLB Jeremiah Trotter, the Eagles' only need in the draft is depth. There's a good chance the team could package some of its five Day 1 picks and 13 overall picks to move around in this draft, but if the Eagles keep all five first-day selections we expect them to add prospects at four of the following five positions: guard/tackle, wide receiver, running back, defensive lineman, linebacker and safety. Safety might be the least of those needs, but Pool could be the best prospect available this late in the first round. His versatility and playmaking skills would provide much needed depth immediately, as well as future insurance.
Other scenarios:
Package some of five day-one picks and/or eight day-two picks to move up for a player they target at WR, DT, DE or TE.
Select DT Cody if he slips.
Select TE Miller if he slips.
Select OT Barnes if he slips.
Reach for DT Luis Castillo.
Reach for Arkansas WR/TE Matt Jones.

32. New England Patriots (14-2) - Justin Miller | DC | Clemson - The Patriots have a bigger need at inside linebacker, but coach Bill Belichick won't fall into that trap on draft day. Thurman and Crowder are possibilities, but their respective character and mental-capacity issues are red flags for a team that weighs intangibles and intelligence so heavily in its personnel analysis. Rather than taking a chance, look for the Patriots to draft the best available player at pick No. 32. In this scenario, Miller would be an ideal fit. Not only does he address a need at cornerback, he also can help provide a much-needed spark in the return game.
Other scenarios:
Select best available DC possibly Jackson or Washington.
Select best available ILB possibly Thurman, Crowder or Nebraska's Barrett Ruud.
Select best available OL OT Barnes if he slips, or OG Baas, OT Johnson or Virginia OG Elton Brown.


Round 2
33. San Francisco 49ers (2-14) - Corey Webster | DC | LSU - The 49ers are desperate for playmakers in their defensive secondary, and Webster has enough upside to gamble on early in the second round.

34. Cleveland Browns (4-12) - Jason Campbell | QB | Auburn - The Browns will silence doubters after passing on Rodgers with the No. 3 pick. Cambell has a good deal of upside and will have at least one year to learn behind Trent Dilfer.

35. Philadelphia Eagles (from Miami) (13-3) - J.J. Arrington | RB | California - With one of their five day-one picks, the Eagles need to find a versatile reserve at the running back position in case Brian Westbrook can't stay healthy again next season.

36. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (5-11) - Matt Jones | WR | Arkansas - Coach Gruden would love to be able to get Jones here and develop him into the same type of mismatch at the slot-WR position that Joe Jurevicius was just a few years ago.

37. Tennessee Titans (5-11) - Eric Green | DC | Virginia Tech - Assuming the Titans can't get a deal done to re-sign Andre Dyson, Green would be a great value as a potential immediate starter opposite Andre Woolfolk.

38. Oakland Raiders (5-11) - Odell Thurman* | ILB | Georgia - Thurman has some character issues but he has the physical tools of a late-first round draft pick and was a vacuum when on the field during his two-year stint at Georgia.

39. Chicago Bears (5-11) - Reggie Brown | WR | Georgia - If the Browns go with Benson at No. 4, Brown would be a good value as a possible rookie starter at the wide receiver position.

40. New Orleans Saints (from Washington) (8-8) - Barrett Ruud | ILB | New Orleans - The Saints desperately need to upgrade their athleticism at linebacker, and Ruud has the speed and instincts to do so.

41. Detroit Lions (6-10) - Marcus Johnson | OT | - Ole Miss Finding an upgrade at offensive tackle is a huge priority, and Johnson has the size and strength the Lions are looking for.

42. Dallas Cowboys (6-10) - Channing Crowder* | ILB | Florida - Crowder is still raw, and he has some character concerns, but he's a good athlete with size and a mean streak. If the Cowboys move to a 3-4, Crowder could help ease the transition.

43. New York Giants (6-10) - Luis Castillo | DT | Northwestern - Despite testing positive for steroids at the combine, Castillo's stock is still on the rise. He has the size and quickness the Giants need at defensive tackle.

44. Arizona Cardinals (6-10) - Bryant McFadden | DC | Florida State - If the Cardinals don't get their cornerback in the first round, McFadden has the size, instincts and athletic ability to warrant an early second-round selection.

45. Carolina Panthers (7-9) - Roscoe Parrish* | WR | Miami-FL - After getting their right tackle in the first round, the Panthers will go with the best fit at DT, WR OLB or RB with this pick. Parrish could be a good complement to Steve Smith and Keary Colbert as a slot receiver with after-the-catch explosiveness. He also could help in the return game, which would ease Smith's burden.

46. Kansas City Chiefs (7-9) - Daryl Blackstock | OLB | Virginia - Blackstock comes from a 3-4 scheme that Al Groh brought to the University of Virginia from the Jets, but he should make an easy transition to the SLB position if taken by a traditional 4-3 team. Blackstock could provide immediate help as a situational pass rusher.

47. Oakland Raiders (from Houston) (5-11) - Kevin Burnett | OLB | Tennessee - Burnett would give the Raiders another terrific athlete at the linebacker position and could possibly take over as a fulltime starter by the 2006 season.

48. Cincinnati Bengals (8-8) - David Baas | OC | Michigan - Baas is the best interior offensive lineman in this draft class and would immediately take over as the Bengals' starting center.

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49. Minnesota Vikings (from Raiders) (8-8) - Elton Brown | OG | Virginia - Brown could slip due to a poor postseason, but he's the most talented pure guard in this year's class, and he could be an immediate starter for the Vikings at LOG.

50. St. Louis Rams (8-8) - Justin Tuck* | DE | Notre Dame - Tuck is the perfect fit as a young, undersized rush end who immediately would upgrade the Rams' perimeter pass rush and help take attention away from Leonard Little.

51. Green Bay Packers (from New Orleans ) (10-6) - Charlie Frye | QB | Akron - If a good deal at the quarterback position presents itself, the Packers won't be afraid to pull the trigger for Brett Favre's heir apparent.

52. Jacksonville Jaguars (9-7) - Michael Roos | DE | Eastern Washington - After addressing the cornerback position in the first round, the Jaguars need to focus on finding an upgrade over LOT Mike Pearson. Roos might take some time to develop, but his upside is great.

53. Baltimore Ravens (9-7) - Mike Patterson | DT | USC - The Ravens are moving back to a 4-3 defensive scheme and need depth at DT as a result.

54. Seattle Seahawks (9-7) - Brandon Browner* | DC | - Oregon State The Seahawks need to improve their depth at cornerback, and Browner has the size and ball skills the team is looking for in a developmental prospect.

55. Buffalo Bills (9-7) - Jonathan Babineaux | DT | Iowa - After losing Pat Williams via free agency, the Bills might need to use their first selection in this draft on a defensive tackle.

56. Denver Broncos (10-6) - Chris Spencer* | OC | Ole Miss - After trading away their top pick, the Broncos won't select until No. 56 overall, but they're loaded with picks this year and next year, thanks to the Redskins overpaying for the 25th pick in this year's draft. With concerns about the interior of their offensive line, the athletic and versatile Spencer would be a good fit late in the second round.

57. New York Jets (10-6) - Ronald Bartell Jr. | DC | Howard - If the Jets don't get an upgrade at cornerback in the first round they'll need to use this pick on one. Bartell Jr. is raw, but he has an intriguing size/speed combo as a late second-round selection.

58. Green Bay Packers (from New Orleans ) (10-6) - Matt McCoy* | OLB | San Diego State - McCoy is a late-riser, but his impressive combination of instincts and athletic ability could land him in the second round to a team desperate for linebacker help.

59. Atlanta Falcons (11-5) - Jerome Mathis | WR | Hampton - Mathis is an unpolished small-school prospect but his deep speed would make him a good complement to Peerless Price.

60. Indianapolis Colts (12-4) - Chris Canty* | DE | Virginia - Canty is a 'tweener DE/DT with first-round talent but some durability and minor character concerns. Worth the risk for a team that could use some run-stopping power along the defensive line.

61. San Diego Chargers (12-4) - Adam Terry | OT | Syracuse - Needs to get stronger but has the frame and feet to develop into a solid starter in the NFL.

62. Pittsburgh Steelers (15-1) - Alex Smith | TE | Stanford - There's a drop-off from Miller to Smith but an even greater drop-off from Smith to the next best tight end prospect. That's why the Steelers might spend the pick on someone who would upgrade their pass-catching ability at the position.

63. Philadelphia Eagles (13-3) - Terrence Murphy | WR | Texas A&M - After drafting a ball-hawk free safety (Pool) and a versatile insurance policy at the running back position (Arrington), it's time to find a receiver with vertical speed and return ability.

64. New England Patriots (14-2) - Logan Mankins | OG | Fresno State - Mankins is a solid athlete with good technique and a mean streak just the way the Patriots like 'em.

Round 3
Note: "(c)" denotes supplemental picks
65. San Francisco: Josh Bullocks* | DS | Nebraska.
66. St. Louis (from Miami): Evan Mathis | OG | Alabama.
67. Cleveland: Michael Munoz | OT | Tennessee.
68. Tennessee: Mark Bradley | WR | Oklahoma.
69. Oakland: Ernest Shazor* | DS | Michigan.
70. Miami (from Chicago): Kyle Orton | QB | Purdue.
71. Tampa Bay: O.J. Atogwe | DS | Stanford.
72. Detroit: Jovan Haye | DE | Vanderbilt.
73. Houston (from Dallas): Wesley Britt | OT | Alabama.
74. New York Giants: Ciatrick Fason* | RB | Florida.
75. Arizona: C.J. Mosley | DT | Missouri.
76. Denver (from Washington): Gerald Sensabaugh | DS | North Carolina.
77. Philadelphia (from Kansas City): Atiyyah Ellison* | DT | Missouri.
78. Oakland (from Houston): Ronald Fields | NT | Mississippi State.
79. Carolina: Eric Shelton | RB | Louisville.
80. Minnesota: Mike Nugent | PK | Ohio State.
81. St. Louis: Stanley Wilson | DC | Stanford.
82. New Orleans: Michael Boley | OLB | Southern Miss.
83. Cincinnati: Lynn McGruder | DT | Oklahoma.
84. Baltimore: David Stewart | OT | Mississippi State.
85. Seattle: Ray Willis | OT | Florida State.
86. Buffalo: Antonio Perkins | DC | Oklahoma.
87. Jacksonville: Kevin Everett | TE | Miami.
88. New York Jets: Adam Snyder | OG/OT | Oregon.
89. Green Bay: Trent Cole | DE | Cincinnati.
Denver: Pick forfeited as penalty for salary-cap violations.
90. Atlanta: Sean Considine | DS | Iowa.
91. Tampa Bay (from San Diego): Andrew Walter | QB | Arizona State.
92. Indianapolis: Alfred Fincher | ILB | Connecticut.
93. Pittsburgh: Dan Buenning | OG | Wisconsin.
94. Philadelphia: Joel Dreessen | TE | Colorado State.
95. Arizona (from New England): Chris Colmer | OT | N.C. State.
96(c). Tennessee: Ryan Moats | RB | Louisiana Tech.
97(c). Denver: Vincent Jackson | WR | Northern Colorado.
98(c). Seattle: Marion Barber III | RB | Minnesota.
99(c). Kansas City: Courtney Roby | WR | Indiana.
100(c). New England: David Greene | QB | Georgia.
101(c). Denver: Stanford Routt | DC | Houston.

Round 4
Note: "(c)" denotes supplemental picks
102. San Francisco: Fred Gibson | WR | Georgia.
103. Cleveland: Darrell Shropshire | DT | South Carolina.
104. Miami: Jordan Beck | OLB | Cal-Poly.
105. Oakland: Domonique Foxworth | DC | Maryland.
106. Chicago: Stefan Lefors | QB | Louisville.
107. Tampa Bay: Ryan Claridge | OLB | UNLV.
108. Tennessee: Adam Kieft | OT | Central Michigan.
109. Dallas: Chris Henry* | WR | West Virginia.
110. New York Giants: Craphonso Thorpe | WR | Florida State.
111. Arizona: Jerome Collins | TE | Notre Dame.
112. Washington: Lance Mitchell | ILB | Oklahoma.
113. Detroit: Dustin Fox | DS | Ohio State.
114. Houston: Frank Gore* | RB | Miami.
115. Carolina: Mike Montgomery | DT | Texas A&M.
116. Kansas City: Vincent Fuller | DS | Virginia Tech.
117. St. Louis: Vernand Morency* | RB | Oklahoma State.
118. New Orleans: Rob Petitti | OT | Pittsburgh.
119. Cincinnati: Adam Seward | ILB | UNLV.
120. Minnesota: Leroy Hill | OLB | Clemson.
121. Seattle: Robert McCune | ILB | Louisville.
122. Buffalo: Jason Brown | OC | North Carolina.
123. Jacksonville: Jonathan Welsh | DE | Wisconsin.
124. Baltimore: James Sanders* | DS | Fresno State.
125. Green Bay: Nick Kaczur | OG | Toledo.
126. Seattle (from Denver thru Cleveland): Derek Anderson | QB | Oregon State.
127. New York Jets: Pete McMahon | OT | Iowa.
128. Atlanta: Nick Collins | DC | Bethune-Cookman.
129. Indianapolis: Scott Starks | DC | Wisconsin .
130. San Diego: Ryan Riddle | DE/OLB | California.
131. Pittsburgh: Kay-Jay Harris | RB | West Virginia.
132. Philadelphia: George Gause | DE | South Carolina.
133. New England: Lofa Tatupu | ILB | USC.
134(c). St. Louis: Dustin Colquitt | PT | Tennessee.
135(c). Indianapolis: Darren Sproles | RB | Kansas State.
136(c). Tennessee: Kirk Morrison | ILB | San Diego State.

squabble
04-20-2005, 08:44 PM
Round 5
Note: "(c)" denotes supplemental picks
137. San Francisco: Jason Jefferson | DT | Wisconsin.
138. Miami: Craig Bragg | WR | UCLA.
139. Cleveland: Cornelius Wortham | OLB | Alabama.
140. Chicago: Adam Bergen | TE | Lehigh.
141. Tampa Bay: Richie Incognito* | OC | Nebraska.
142. Tennessee: Jeremy Parquet | OT | Southern Miss.
143. Green Bay (from Oakland): Donte Nicholson | DS | Oklahoma.
144. Tampa Bay (from NY Giants through San Diego): Derek Wake | OLB | Penn State.
145. New England (from Arizona): Anthony Alabi | OT | TCU.
146. Philadelphia (from Washington): Adrian McPherson | QB | FSU.
147. Kansas City (from Detroit): Bill Swancutt | DE | Oregon State.
148. Dallas: Chris Kemoeatu | OG | Utah.
149. Carolina: Tony Jackson | TE | Iowa.
150. Tennessee (from Kansas City): Ben Wilkerson | OC | LSU.
151. Houston: Anthony Bryant | NT | Alabama.
152. New Orleans: Anthony Davis | RB | Wisconsin.
153. Cincinnati: Darrent Williams | DC | Oklahoma State.
154. Minnesota: Kerry Rhodes | DS | Louisville.
155. St. Louis: Dan Orlovsky | QB | Connecticut.
156. Buffalo: Calvin Armstrong | OT | Washington State.
157. Jacksonville: Roydell Williams | WR | Tulane.
158. Baltimore: Claude Terrell | OG | UNLV.
159. Seattle: J.R. Russell | WR | Louisville.
160. Atlanta (from Denver): Chauncey Davis | DE | FSU.
161. New York Jets: Tab Perry | WR | UCLA.
162. Kansas City (from Green Bay): Ryan Fitzpatrick | QB | Harvard.
163. Atlanta: Marcus Lawrence | ILB | South Carolina.
164. San Diego: Justin Beriault | DS | Ball State.
165. Indianapolis: Scott Young | OG | BYU.
166. Pittsburgh: Karl Paymah | DC | Washington State.
167. Philadelphia: Airese Currie | WR | Clemson.
168. Arizona (from New England): Brandon Jacobs | RB | Southern Illinois.
169(c). Carolina: Derreck Robinson | DT | Iowa.
170(c). New England: Maurice Clarett* | RB | Ohio State.
171(c). Carolina: Zac Woodfin | OLB | UAB.
172(c). Philadelphia: Justin Geisinger | OG | Vanderbilt.
173(c). Indianapolis: Marques Harris | OLB | Southern Utah.
174(c). San Francisco: Walter Reyes | RB | Syracuse.

Round 6
Note: "(c)" denotes supplemental picks
175. San Francisco: Jared Newberry | OLB | Stanford.
176. Cleveland: James Grigsby | ILB | Illinois State.
177. San Diego (from Miami): Sione Pouha | NT | Utah.
178. Tampa Bay: Mike Goolsby | ILB | Notre Dame.
179. Tennessee: Ellis Hobbs | DC | Iowa State.
180. Green Bay (from Oakland): T.A. McLendon | RB | N.C. State.
181. Chicago: Jonathan Goddard | DE/OLB | Marshall.
182. Oakland (from Arizona): Jim Davis | DE | Virginia Tech.
183. Washington: Jonathan Jackson | DE | Oklahoma.
184. Detroit: Taylor Stubblefield | WR | Purdue.
185. Oakland (from Dallas): Cedric Houston | RB | Tennessee.
186. NY Giants: Steve Savoy | WR | Utah.
187. Kansas City: Daniel Loper | OT | Texas Tech.
188. Houston: Josh Davis | WR | Marshall.
189. Carolina: Jason White | QB | Oklahoma.
190. Cincinnati: Garrett Cross | TE | California.
191. Minnesota: Bryan Randall | QB | Virginia Tech.
192. St. Louis: Alvin Pearman | RB/RS | Virginia.
193. New Orleans: Eric Coleman | DT | Clemson.
194. Jacksonville: Keith Joseph | FB | Texas A&M.
195. Baltimore: Adrian Awasom | DE/OLB | North Texas.
196. Seattle: James Kinney | OLB | Missouri.
197. Buffalo: Eric Moore | DC | FSU.
198. New York Jets: Noah Herron | RB | Northwestern.
199. Kansas City (from Green Bay): Doug Nienhuis | OT | Oregon State.
200. Denver: Timmy Chang | QB | Hawaii.
201. Atlanta: Dave Kashetta | TE | Boston College.
202. Indianapolis: Frank Omiyale | OT | Tennessee Tech.
203. Tampa Bay (from San Diego): Daven Holly | DC | Cincinnati.
204. Pittsburgh: Vincent Burns | DE | Kentucky.
205. San Francisco (from Philadelphia): Khari Long | DE | Baylor.
206. New England: C.J. Brooks | OG | Maryland.
207(c). Carolina: Alex Holmes | TE | USC.
208(c). Dallas: Kelvin Hayden | DC | Illinois.
209(c). Dallas: Nehemiah Broughton | FB | The Citadel.
210(c). St. Louis: Andre Maddox | DS | N.C. State.
211(c). Philadelphia: Alphonso Hodge | DC | Miami-Ohio.
212(c). Oakland: Bo Scaife | TE | Texas.
213(c). Baltimore: Travis Daniels | DC | LSU.
214(c). Oakland: Dan Connolly | OG | SE Missouri State.

Round 7
Note: "(c)" denotes supplemental picks
215. San Francisco: Brady Poppinga | DE | BYU.
216. Miami: Matt McChesney | DT | Colorado.
217. Cleveland: David McMillan | DE | Kansas.
218. Tennessee: Justin Green | FB | Montana.
219. Minnesota (from Oakland): Eric Ghiaciuc | OC | Central Michigan.
220. Chicago: Joe Berger | OG | Michigan Tech.
221. Tampa Bay: Larry Brackins | WR | Pearl River CC.
222. Washington: Lorenzo Alexander | DT | California.
223. San Francisco (from Detroit): Rob Hunt | OC | North Dakota State.
224. Dallas: James Butler | FS | Georgia Tech.
225. Tampa Bay (from NY Giants): Santonio Thomas | DT | Miami.
226. Arizona: Adell Duckett | DE | Texas Tech.
227. Houston: Rian Wallace* | ILB | Temple.
228. Pittsburgh (from Carolina): Chase Lyman | WR | California.
229. Kansas City: Tim Bulman | DT | Boston College.
230. New York Jets (from Minnesota): Albert Means | DT | Memphis.
231. St. Louis: Brandon Jones | WR | Oklahoma.
232. New Orleans: Chris Rix | QB | FSU.
233. Cincinnati: Jerome Carter | DS | FSU.
234. Baltimore: Gino Guidugli | QB | Cincinnati.
235. Seattle: Junius Coston | OC | North Carolina A&T.
236. Buffalo: Tony Curtis | TE | Portland State.
237. Jacksonville: Walter Washington* | QB | Temple.
238. Kansas City (from Green Bay): Matt Grootegoed | DS/OLB | USC.
239. Denver: Martin Patterson | ILB | TCU.
240. New York Jets: Scott Mruczkowski | OC | Bowling Green.
241. Atlanta: Dante Ridgeway | WR | Ball State.
242. San Diego: Jonathon Clinkscale | OG | Wisconsin.
243. Indianapolis: Billy Bajema | TE | Oklahoma State.
244. Pittsburgh: Marviel Underwood | DS | San Diego State.
245. Philadelphia: Jamar Enzor | OLB | Cincinnati.
246. New England: LeRon McCoy | WR | Indiana-Pa.
247(c). Philadelphia: Will Svitek | OT | Stanford.
248(c). San Francisco: Dylan Gandy | OG | Texas Tech.
249(c). San Francisco: Chad Owens | WR/RS | Hawaii.
250(c). St. Louis: Jamacia Rector | RS | NW Missouri State.
251(c). St. Louis: A.J. Lindsay* | DT | Temple.
252(c). Philadelphia: DeAndre Cobb | RB/RS | Michigan State.
253(c). Tampa Bay: Dave Rayner | PK | Michigan State.
254(c). Seattle: Rasheed Marshall | WR/RS | West Virginia.
255(c). New England: John Goldsberry | FB | Purdue.

thehotdelancey
04-20-2005, 10:37 PM
why would jammal brown drop out of the top fifteen these guys don't know what they are talking about. no way san diego lets him slide past 28
I definitely agree. Tackle is a big issue we need to address to make sure we are set for the Post-Roman Oben years....

thehotdelancey
04-20-2005, 10:40 PM
Oh yeah squabble- thanks for that 7 rounder-- that was intense....

squabble
04-20-2005, 11:24 PM
It took me ages to post it on this other forum I use as they have a limit of about 10,000 letters and this was way more than that limit!