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Old 01-18-2018, 06:52 PM
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Default CBS Sports: Bolts take Vita Vea at #17

CBS Sports has us taking Vita Vea at #17. I know we could use DT help, but I see ILB and OT as bigger areas of need. CBS also thinks the Broncs really want Baker Mayfield and not Josh Allen as has been reported. Liar's month(s)...

1. Cleveland Browns - Sam Darnold, QB, USC. The former general manager in Cleveland put off committing to a franchise quarterback for two years and ultimately paid for it with his job. Don't expect the new front office to make the same mistake.

2. New York Giants - Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA. The Giants shouldn't expect to be picking in the top five often, so it's incumbent on the new regime to find Eli Manning's successor in this draft even if the veteran is brought back for another go-round.

3. Indianapolis Colts
- Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State. Barkley is likely the top talent in the draft this year and a decent bet to go No. 1 overall despite the position he plays.

4. Cleveland Browns (from Texans)
- Minkah Fitzpatrick, FS, Alabama. I'm listing Fitzpatrick as a free safety, but expect the team that drafts him to go the Jalen Ramsey route and try him at cornerback first.

5. Denver Broncos - Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma. I had Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson in this spot last week, but with the Broncos asking to work with Mayfield as referenced above, it makes too much sense to plug him in here.

6. New York Jets
- Josh Jackson, CB, Iowa. Logic dictates that the Jets should take a quarterback here, but this is a franchise that loves spending first-round picks on defensive players.

7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
- Bradley Chubb, DE, NC State. The Buccaneers could go one of a few ways with this pick, nabbing Barkley if he makes it out of the top six or fortifying the offensive line by finally upgrading over Donovan Smith.

8. Chicago Bears
- Arden Key, DE/LB, LSU. The Bears can save more than $11.5 million on their cap by parting ways with both Pernell McPhee and Willie Young, and going that route while using this pick on an elite talent like Key makes sense if they're confident his off-field red flags won't be an issue.

9. San Francisco 49ers -Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame.
10. Oakland Raiders
- Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State.
11. Miami Dolphins
- Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia.
12. Cincinnati Bengals
- Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame.
13. Washington Redskins
- Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming.

14. Green Bay Packers
- Derwin James, SS, Florida State. The Packers drafted Josh Jones in the second round in 2017 to take over for Morgan Burnett after the latter left in free agency, but Jones didn't put enough on tape to just be handed the job this offseason.

15. Arizona Cardinals
- Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville.
16. Baltimore Ravens
- Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama.

17. Los Angeles Chargers - Vita Vea, DT, Washington. The Chargers have a pair of beasts on the edge to rush the passer, but too many times this year they were done in by the run, giving up a league-worst 4.9 yards per carry as six opponents topped 150 rushing yards against them this season. Vea, a massive presence in the middle of a defensive line, will go a long way toward fixing that deficiency, while also providing enough quickness to penetrate into the backfield on some third downs.

18. Seattle Seahawks - Marcus Davenport, DT, UTSA
19. Dallas Cowboys – Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
20. Detroit Lions – Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan.
21. Buffalo Bills – Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech.
22. Buffalo Bills (from Kansas City) – Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State
23. Los Angeles Rams – Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn
24. Carolina Panthers – Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU
25. Tennessee Titans – Taven Bryan, DE, Florida.
26. Atlanta Falcons – Isaiah Oliver, CB, Colorado.
27. New Orleans Saints – Malik Jefferson, OLB, Texas
28. Pittsburgh Steelers – Rashaan Evans, ILB, Alabama
29. Jacksonville Jaguars – Connor Williams, OT, Texas
30. Philadelphia Eagles – Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma
31. Minnesota Vikings – Billy Price, G, Ohio State
32. New England Patriots – Harold Landry, OLB, Boston College

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-broncos-take-baker-mayfield-jets-pass-on-a-quarterback/
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Old 01-18-2018, 09:49 PM
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Pac 12 Defensive player of the year. Talented, powerful to block even 2 guys on him. Made Josh Rosen look uncomfortable and they had 3 linemen assigned to him at times! He will improve our run defense. Vita could lose some weight to improve his quickness on the inside. Great prospect.

Part of the issue of our run defense is running backs are able run wide for chunks of yards. We need speed at linebacker in pass and run situations.
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Old 01-18-2018, 11:43 PM
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Obviously there is time to watch more and weigh pros and cons but generally speaking I’m a fan of adding strength to strength, and specifically building talent on the Dline and asking less of our LBs.
The Adrian Phillips experiment is what I expected Gus to do more of, very hard to find true LBs that can cover (really hope we target Brown from Washington in FA)
Imo it’s easier to find strong safeties like rayshawn jenkins and teach them backer responsibilities knowing we’re sacrificing run support.
opposing offenses are going to be able to run successfully if they get past our Dline so investing in two monsters in the middle makes sense, Vea certainly qualifies
I am concerned about his conditioning as some have mentioned here
Kid is powerful and I’d feel sorry for the olinemen that have to deal with VV
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You see where they have 4 DT's in a row 17 -20 ? Crazy.

The boards will change, we have a long way to go. But JUST based on that list-----it sounds good, unless Smith LB Georgia were to fall down to us.

I would be tempted.........
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Old 01-19-2018, 04:13 AM
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The Chargers got skills offensively. Overall, the team is beginning to demonstrate toughness, we need a dash of speed and next level nastiness on defense. Vea, Smith or even James have these qualities in spades to make this defense dominant.

Interesting to see where the Bolts have gone in previous draft years:

2013 D.J. Fluker
2014 Jason Verrett
2015 Melvin Gordon
2016 Joey Bosa
2017 Mike Williams

Simple and totally random way to see who are number one pick may be.

Will TT and staff look at defense...or will we break the pattern and draft a top offensive tackle/ guard? TT is unexpected...hard to track and he goes against what the pundits predict.
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Kiper's first mock draft has a different player at the same position:

ESPN’s NFL draft expert Mel Kiper Jr. understand that defensive tackle Brandon Mebane’s window is closing, and he isn’t blind to just how poorly the Chargers played defense against the run in 2017. He feels former Alabama defensive tackle Da’Ron Payne would be the perfect selection for Los Angeles with pick No. 17 in the 2018 NFL Draft.

Here is what Kiper had to say about sending Payne to the Bolts.

The best nose tackle in this class is Payne, who was a monster in the College Football Playoff, even if he didn’t always show up on the stat sheet. Georgia couldn’t block him in the national title game. The Chargers are set with good, young pass-rushers, but they could upgrade on Brandon Mebane, who’s signed for only another year. Payne would strengthen the belly of a defense that ranked last in the league in rushing yards per attempt allowed (4.9).

Draft Wire’s Luke Easterling’s NFL draft profile on Payne demonstrates that he appreciates the former Crimson Tide DT for more than just traditional statistical reasons.

If gaudy stat sheets are your thing, Payne likely won’t move the needle for you that much. But if you like physical, disruptive defenders that make everyone around them better, this monster in the middle will be right up your alley. Despite having just 3.5 tackles for loss and 1.5 sacks in 2017, Payne’s impact has gone far beyond the box score.

The Crimson Tide have been churning out high-quality defensive linemen for quite some time, and Payne is the latest to likely warrant first-round consideration. He’s a rare athlete for his size, and his skill set should allow him to make an immediate impact in any scheme at the next level.

http://chargerswire.usatoday.com/201...-anchor-on-dl/
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You see where they have 4 DT's in a row 17 -20 ? Crazy.

The boards will change, we have a long way to go. But JUST based on that list-----it sounds good, unless Smith LB Georgia were to fall down to us.

I would be tempted.........
Yeah... I thought 4 DTs in a row was pretty interesting as well. Still think we should try and land Poe, Richardson, Ellis or Irving in FA... Then we could either stick there and make it a strength by still drafting a DT... or go ILB or OT.
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Kiper's first mock draft has a different player at the same position:

ESPN’s NFL draft expert Mel Kiper Jr. understand that defensive tackle Brandon Mebane’s window is closing, and he isn’t blind to just how poorly the Chargers played defense against the run in 2017. He feels former Alabama defensive tackle Da’Ron Payne would be the perfect selection for Los Angeles with pick No. 17 in the 2018 NFL Draft.

Here is what Kiper had to say about sending Payne to the Bolts.

The best nose tackle in this class is Payne, who was a monster in the College Football Playoff, even if he didn’t always show up on the stat sheet. Georgia couldn’t block him in the national title game. The Chargers are set with good, young pass-rushers, but they could upgrade on Brandon Mebane, who’s signed for only another year. Payne would strengthen the belly of a defense that ranked last in the league in rushing yards per attempt allowed (4.9).

Draft Wire’s Luke Easterling’s NFL draft profile on Payne demonstrates that he appreciates the former Crimson Tide DT for more than just traditional statistical reasons.

If gaudy stat sheets are your thing, Payne likely won’t move the needle for you that much. But if you like physical, disruptive defenders that make everyone around them better, this monster in the middle will be right up your alley. Despite having just 3.5 tackles for loss and 1.5 sacks in 2017, Payne’s impact has gone far beyond the box score.

The Crimson Tide have been churning out high-quality defensive linemen for quite some time, and Payne is the latest to likely warrant first-round consideration. He’s a rare athlete for his size, and his skill set should allow him to make an immediate impact in any scheme at the next level.

http://chargerswire.usatoday.com/201...-anchor-on-dl/
CBS has Payne at #19. Brugler has him at #14. Kiper has him at third-ranked DT behind Wilkens and Vea. According to all these draftniks, Payne would not be a reach at #17...if Bolts take Payne or Vea at #17, and address OT or C in round 2, and ILB or a run-stopping S in round 3, I would be okay with that...
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Only one G and one T before 17!
A question of quality?
Go for the best DT.
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CBS has Josh Allen dropping all the way to #13. I don't see him getting past the Donks at #5...a perfect match: Josh Allen the Wyoming Cowboy meets Horseface...
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