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Old 12-21-2012, 04:36 PM
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he won nothing with hall of famers all around him in his prime. You're expecting what from him at this point in his career? If there's a choice out there available and you dont go for it because you have him, it's a colossal mistake.
Please tell me the better choice. Thanks.
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:42 PM
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Interesting tid-bit from Ricky Henne. I know he's just a PR guy, but interesting nonetheless...
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he won nothing with hall of famers all around him in his prime. You're expecting what from him at this point in his career? If there's a choice out there available and you dont go for it because you have him, it's a colossal mistake.
You know as well as I do that he wasn't the problem on the teams that failed to win a championship. As a piece of the overall offense, he's proven to be among the best when he's had a supporting cast. So now that he doesn't have one, he's struggling. So your solution is to replace him? Where's the logic in that? Switch out the one piece that works when most of the others don't? Brilliant.

Bringing in a new QB (by the way, there are no good QB's in the FA market or any top end prospects in the draft class) would just be putting a new player behind the same terrible line to get killed every week. Fix the rest of the offense and see Rivers respond. If he doesn't, then you replace him when there are actually some decent options.

So in short, replacing a franchise quarterback when you have no better options... THAT would be the colossal mistake.
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:48 PM
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You know as well as I do that he wasn't the problem on the teams that failed to win a championship. As a piece of the overall offense, he's proven to be among the best when he's had a supporting cast. So now that he doesn't have one, he's struggling. So your solution is to replace him? Where's the logic in that? Switch out the one piece that works when most of the others don't? Brilliant.

Bringing in a new QB (by the way, there are no good QB's in the FA market or any top end prospects in the draft class) would just be putting a new player behind the same terrible line to get killed every week. Fix the rest of the offense and see Rivers respond. If he doesn't, then you replace him when there are actually some decent options.

So in short, replacing a franchise quarterback when you have no better options... THAT would be the colossal mistake.
That is the thing some Rivers basher aren't even seeing. Reaching for QB's can set your team back another 3-5 years, I mean just look what happened to Jacksonville and even Minnesota to some degree.

To me the problem seems obvious, personnel has declined around Rivers. So lets rebuild the team around him to see where he still is. if he is still the guy, then you are in good shape for the next 4-5 years, if not well your new QB will have a nice team around him.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:17 PM
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You know as well as I do that he wasn't the problem on the teams that failed to win a championship. As a piece of the overall offense, he's proven to be among the best when he's had a supporting cast. So now that he doesn't have one, he's struggling. So your solution is to replace him? Where's the logic in that? Switch out the one piece that works when most of the others don't? Brilliant.

Bringing in a new QB (by the way, there are no good QB's in the FA market or any top end prospects in the draft class) would just be putting a new player behind the same terrible line to get killed every week. Fix the rest of the offense and see Rivers respond. If he doesn't, then you replace him when there are actually some decent options.

So in short, replacing a franchise quarterback when you have no better options... THAT would be the colossal mistake.
Last year was the year to go for a new QB with RG3. We could have tempted the Rams with Rivers, thn drafted RG3 to give us that dual threat. But I agree with you, there's no Luck or RG3 inthe next draft class. The closest I'd say is Johnny Football atvTexas A&M if he pushes on from this season. But personally I'd stick with Rivers and build around because I'm sure he can come good again.
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Taylor couldn't even pass Lynch and Bigby on the roster for playing time. Looks like we have another Stuckey on our hands without the good special teams play.
He just did pass them.
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You know as well as I do that he wasn't the problem on the teams that failed to win a championship. As a piece of the overall offense, he's proven to be among the best when he's had a supporting cast. So now that he doesn't have one, he's struggling. So your solution is to replace him? Where's the logic in that? Switch out the one piece that works when most of the others don't? Brilliant.

Bringing in a new QB (by the way, there are no good QB's in the FA market or any top end prospects in the draft class) would just be putting a new player behind the same terrible line to get killed every week. Fix the rest of the offense and see Rivers respond. If he doesn't, then you replace him when there are actually some decent options.

So in short, replacing a franchise quarterback when you have no better options... THAT would be the colossal mistake.
I cant believe people are even thinking of replacing Rivers, give the dude a chance with a O-line then decide.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:15 PM
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You know as well as I do that he wasn't the problem on the teams that failed to win a championship. As a piece of the overall offense, he's proven to be among the best when he's had a supporting cast. So now that he doesn't have one, he's struggling. So your solution is to replace him? Where's the logic in that? Switch out the one piece that works when most of the others don't? Brilliant.

Bringing in a new QB (by the way, there are no good QB's in the FA market or any top end prospects in the draft class) would just be putting a new player behind the same terrible line to get killed every week. Fix the rest of the offense and see Rivers respond. If he doesn't, then you replace him when there are actually some decent options.

So in short, replacing a franchise quarterback when you have no better options... THAT would be the colossal mistake.
You are completely right. People need to step back and give the guy a chance. There is nothing around him right now. You cannot judge his play just off of him. No good receivers to catch his passes, no good offensive linemen to protect him long enough to step into this throws, no strong running game what so ever.. I mean, Tom Brady couldn't perform at a high level in those conditions.. NO ONE CAN!!
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You are completely right. People need to step back and give the guy a chance. There is nothing around him right now. You cannot judge his play just off of him. No good receivers to catch his passes, no good offensive linemen to protect him long enough to step into this throws, no strong running game what so ever.. I mean, Tom Brady couldn't perform at a high level in those conditions.. NO ONE CAN!!
Agree that it's hard to win with this O line...especially when you have a QB with limited mobility like Rivers. We have the talent at WR and RB IMO to be a 10 win team but Rivers and his receivers have not been able to get in sync with the spotty O line play.

When the O line gets the job done (which has happened in the 1st half of most of our games), Rivers is able to move the ball effectively. Unfortunately, we've been unable to make the necessary 2nd half adjustments because our O line lacks talent and depth. The end result is lots of key turnovers and negative plays in the 2nd half, which has resulted in few points scored in crunch time.

Rivers has the talent but lacks confidence because he cannot rely on the protection in front of him. If we can properly address that in the offseason, then this team will be seriously contending a year from now and we'll possibly be discussing our playoff road and possible Super Bowl run. If we fail to properly fix the O line this offseason, then we'll find ourselves looking at a top 10 pick in the 2014 draft and possibly discussing Johnny Manziel.
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Old 12-22-2012, 04:53 PM
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Last year was the year to go for a new QB with RG3. We could have tempted the Rams with Rivers, thn drafted RG3 to give us that dual threat. But I agree with you, there's no Luck or RG3 inthe next draft class. The closest I'd say is Johnny Football atvTexas A&M if he pushes on from this season. But personally I'd stick with Rivers and build around because I'm sure he can come good again.
Maybe in Madden.

There is no way the Rams would have traded for Rivers with Bradford on the roster and a ton of holes.
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