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Old 12-06-2012, 01:44 PM
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Speaking of talking about trading up/down, looks like Harrison Smith turned out to be a pretty good pick for the Vikes

Then again, so did Reyes
Smith was picked at like 35 in the draft. We had no chance.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:46 PM
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Smith was picked at like 35 in the draft. We had no chance.
The Vikes traded back into the first for him. Got him at 29? Somewhere around there. But Stig said that because a lot of guys wanted to trade down with our first and trade up with our second like the Vikings did and nab Smith.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:48 PM
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The Vikes traded back into the first for him. Got him at 29? Somewhere around there. But Stig said that because a lot of guys wanted to trade down with our first and trade up with our second like the Vikings did and nab Smith.
I prefer Melvin Ingram and Reyes.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:52 PM
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I prefer Melvin Ingram and Reyes.
Ditto .

I loved Smith, but he ended up being the one mocked pick that was actually too optimistic on my part. I thought I was being realistic with my choices in the middle and later rounds, but it turns out I was just being pessimistic.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:53 PM
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Just a side note. Until rather recently we've been drafting lower than 18. It sometimes doesn't make sense to go BPA instead of BPA at position of need when your drafting that low. It depends on the talent there and every year is different.

I don't really have issues with taking BPA at position of need instead of BPA. At least in my opinion that has not been the drafting issue with AJ Smith. Reaching, trading away 2nd rounders and moving up when not needed has.

Now that we may draft top 10 the philosophy can and probably should be different. In that position there are sometimes players you cannot pass on. Therefore BPA makes more sense than need.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:57 PM
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Just a side note. Until rather recently we've been drafting lower than 18. It sometimes doesn't make sense to go BPA instead of BPA at position of need when your drafting that low. It depends on the talent there and every year is different.

I don't really have issues with taking BPA at position of need instead of BPA. At least in my opinion that has not been the drafting issue with AJ Smith. Reaching, trading away 2nd rounders and moving up when not needed has.

Now that we may draft top 10 the philosophy can and probably should be different. In that position there are sometimes players you cannot pass on. Therefore BPA makes more sense than need.
Isn't reaching and not adhering to a BPA philosophy kind of one in the same?

I think BPA at a position of need is fine as long as you realize you might have more than one need. I tend to think (of course we can't know) that A.J. honed in on receiver and only receiver when he took Buster. Same with pass rusher when he took English and running back with the Mathews trade up. If you are comfortable with addressing a few different positions with your top picks, you give yourself a better chance to land a good player.
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Just to annoy Kemp: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfp-moc...0289--nfl.html
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Actually you just made me feel better.

If Russ Lande thinks two guards are going in the top 8, then he's probably not right about much.
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:14 PM
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Actually you just made me feel better.

If Russ Lande thinks two guards are going in the top 8, then he's probably not right about much.
True that.
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:22 PM
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Isn't reaching and not adhering to a BPA philosophy kind of one in the same?

I think BPA at a position of need is fine as long as you realize you might have more than one need. I tend to think (of course we can't know) that A.J. honed in on receiver and only receiver when he took Buster. Same with pass rusher when he took English and running back with the Mathews trade up. If you are comfortable with addressing a few different positions with your top picks, you give yourself a better chance to land a good player.
Not really. What if he's reaching because he believes that is the BPA.
Otherwise I cannot explain the Mouton choice.

I view Buster as a miss. Most likely had Weddle rated lower than Buster.
Of course it didn't work out but that goes to a different argument.

I do agree that BPA at position of need is or should be BPA at positions of need.
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